Saltire No, she ruled it out after the Westminster election but said they would draw up their manifesto for Holyrood in 2016, she also said it would depend on voters views (ie if 55%+ in the polls were voting Yes, yesterday's yougov had 47%).
@Markfergusonuk: SNP argument is offensive to all who have ever been elected Scottish MPs in the past. Implies Cook, Brown or Dewar didn’t represent Scotland
Not offensive at all since they didn't, it is quite an accurate argument. They didn't even represent UK very well either if at all.
@johnmcternan: When was last time @NicolaSturgeon was laughed at by an audience? Lost a lot of ground by not coming clean on 2nd referendum #Scotdebates
Saltire No, she ruled it out after the Westminster election but said they would draw up their manifesto for Holyrood in 2016, she also said it would depend on voters views (ie if 55%+ in the polls were voting Yes, yesterday's yougov had 47%).
Yes it depends on voters views, if voters put them in power 2016 they will know they will be voting for another indyref.
The people that Labour need to win back are people who they angered in the referendum. That won't happen if they, you know, keep asking if there will be another referendum.
Saltire No, Sturgeon will just leave the option open, no way she will hold another referendum unless certain of victory in the next few years, a second No win would kill off independence for good
Saltire No, she ruled it out after the Westminster election but said they would draw up their manifesto for Holyrood in 2016, she also said it would depend on voters views (ie if 55%+ in the polls were voting Yes, yesterday's yougov had 47%).
Yes it depends on voters views, if voters put them in power 2016 they will know they will be voting for another indyref.
Good question, will the SNP retain their majority in Holyrood after 2016? If UKIP or the Greens get more that 5-6% in 2016 then the SNP would lose it.
I don't think there is a stomach for a second referendum. Lets not forget the promise of the Tories to have one on the EU. Murphy would be a nutter to challenge Sturgeon on that.
Saltire No, she ruled it out after the Westminster election but said they would draw up their manifesto for Holyrood in 2016, she also said it would depend on voters views (ie if 55%+ in the polls were voting Yes, yesterday's yougov had 47%).
Yes it depends on voters views, if voters put them in power 2016 they will know they will be voting for another indyref.
Good question, will the SNP retain their majority in Holyrood after 2016? If UKIP or the Greens get more that 5-6% in 2016 then the SNP would lose it.
Greens pro-independence, and yes, there will be several new Greens in 2016.
@JGForsyth: Jim Murphy says that Ruth Davidson is saying there’s no difference between Tories/Labour, she responds yes there is you crashed the economy
I have always been a dissenter! I do know a few on the list. Some are the usual suspects (Allyson Pollack wrote NHS Plc about the privatisation of the NHS under the last Labour Government) others I have great respect for including Clare Gerada and Raymond Tallis (probably the most intelligent doctor on the planet).
But Doctors are a very diverse bunch. I thought the Lansley reforms could have been done better, and the BCT fund sorted a few years back, but on the other hand putting Doctors rather than pen pushers on the Commissioning boards is a definite improvement. To be honest, I do not think there is much difference between the parties on the NHS. Both Labour and Tories use it as a political football.
I found that a very interesting and balanced post, thanks.
The only two posters I can recall posting in much detail about the Lansley plans from a position of understanding at the time they were being put together were tim and Seth O'Logue/Avery Lympe-Pole (and I suspect only the latter had actually read the plans through in full). Needless to say their opinions were polar opposites! And neither being health professionals.
Saltire No, Sturgeon will just leave the option open, no way she will hold another referendum unless certain of victory in the next few years, a second No win would kill off independence for good
If they want another one before 2021 they will have to put it their manifesto otherwise I doubt a British government would agree to one. I think that it will be there but I do agree with you that they will decline to hold one if they think they would lose it
@OliverCooper: "Conservatives don't believe in raising taxes on one single person." Willie Rennie does a good job of selling Conservatives. #ScotDebates
@EdwardDebi: Better Together folks seem to have had at hand a "once in a lifetime" video of Nicola Sturgeon from during #indyref #ScotDebates
@blairmcdougall: Nicola Sturgeon said #indyref was "once in a lifetime". What changed?
vine.co/v/Oq6KMgdnFaD
She says in the video that it's "probably a once in a lifetime opportunity". That seems a fair assessment, as another one would require indy-supporting parties to have another majority at Holyrood.
Saltire No, she ruled it out after the Westminster election but said they would draw up their manifesto for Holyrood in 2016, she also said it would depend on voters views (ie if 55%+ in the polls were voting Yes, yesterday's yougov had 47%).
Yes it depends on voters views, if voters put them in power 2016 they will know they will be voting for another indyref.
Good question, will the SNP retain their majority in Holyrood after 2016? If UKIP or the Greens get more that 5-6% in 2016 then the SNP would lose it.
Greens pro-independence, and yes, there will be several new Greens in 2016.
Currently the Holyrood polls suggest that the SNP will get around 55 seats, 10 short of a majority, while the Greens and UKIP at around 7-8 seats each, still not enough for an SNP-GRN coalition. So the SNP is facing in 2016 what Labour and the Tories are facing this year (poetic justice?), whatever happens not even a coalition will have enough seats for a majority.
“He’s our hero, he’s the best person we’ve ever met,” a group of giddy teenagers exclaimed after getting a selfie with their idol this afternoon.
You would have thought these 14-year-old teenage girls had met a member of One Direction, but the hero they were referring to was Nigel Farage.'
He’s just the best person I’ve ever met in my life,” said Sophie, one of the 14-year-old girls. “It’s made our Easter holidays and when I go back to school I’m going to tell all my friends that I met Nigel Farage.”
@EdwardDebi: Better Together folks seem to have had at hand a "once in a lifetime" video of Nicola Sturgeon from during #indyref #ScotDebates
@blairmcdougall: Nicola Sturgeon said #indyref was "once in a lifetime". What changed?
vine.co/v/Oq6KMgdnFaD
She says in the video that it's "probably a once in a lifetime opportunity". That seems a fair assessment, as another one would require indy-supporting parties to have another majority at Holyrood.
And the polls for 2016 currently show the SNP/Greens will have a decent size majority...
Ruth Davidson has understood the huge advantage that outsiders have in debates and it sounds as if she has used it well. I doubt the Conservatives will see any benefit in the polls.
It may, however, subdue any tactical Tory voting in Labour's favour.
“He’s our hero, he’s the best person we’ve ever met,” a group of giddy teenagers exclaimed after getting a selfie with their idol this afternoon.
You would have thought these 14-year-old teenage girls had met a member of One Direction, but the hero they were referring to was Nigel Farage.'
He’s just the best person I’ve ever met in my life,” said Sophie, one of the 14-year-old girls. “It’s made our Easter holidays and when I go back to school I’m going to tell all my friends that I met Nigel Farage.”
Saltire No, she ruled it out after the Westminster election but said they would draw up their manifesto for Holyrood in 2016, she also said it would depend on voters views (ie if 55%+ in the polls were voting Yes, yesterday's yougov had 47%).
Yes it depends on voters views, if voters put them in power 2016 they will know they will be voting for another indyref.
Good question, will the SNP retain their majority in Holyrood after 2016? If UKIP or the Greens get more that 5-6% in 2016 then the SNP would lose it.
Greens pro-independence, and yes, there will be several new Greens in 2016.
Currently the Holyrood polls suggest that the SNP will get around 55 seats, 10 short of a majority, while the Greens and UKIP at around 7-8 seats each, still not enough for an SNP-GRN coalition. So the SNP is facing in 2016 what Labour and the Tories are facing this year (poetic justice?), whatever happens not even a coalition will have enough seats for a majority.
SNP got 53 FPTP seats with 45% of the vote. They are now on 51% of the vote and will get almost all the 73 FPTP seats. They could get a majority just on FPTP seats. With the "SNP Seat, Green List" message, the Greens will get 12+ seats. Pro-Indy will have 80+ seats.
Where can you follow the scottish debate if you are in England. We do have a vested interest as we seem to be paying for most of the Scottish government's expenditure
Monkeys In straight SNP-Labour seats many Tories may well vote tactically Labour on the constituency vote, Tory on regional list
I know a lot of Tories who voted SNP in 2011 because the SNP promised to freeze the Council Tax. Tories aren't daft enough to vote Labour when they know that Labour will kill them on the Council Taxes. Behave.
And the polls for 2016 currently show the SNP/Greens will have a decent size majority...
Well, in the unlikely event that the result reflects polls a year before the election, and the SNP and Greens both advocate a second referendum in their Holyrood campaigns, then the answer to Blair McDougall's question, "what's changed?", would be "people voted for it".
Where can you follow the scottish debate if you are in England. We do have a vested interest as we seem to be paying for most of the Scottish government's expenditure
“He’s our hero, he’s the best person we’ve ever met,” a group of giddy teenagers exclaimed after getting a selfie with their idol this afternoon.
You would have thought these 14-year-old teenage girls had met a member of One Direction, but the hero they were referring to was Nigel Farage.'
He’s just the best person I’ve ever met in my life,” said Sophie, one of the 14-year-old girls. “It’s made our Easter holidays and when I go back to school I’m going to tell all my friends that I met Nigel Farage.”
Where can you follow the scottish debate if you are in England. We do have a vested interest as we seem to be paying for most of the Scottish government's expenditure
None yo biz. just keep sending the readies and keep yer nose out.
Oxfordsimon - Yet another do as I say not as I do from Labour
Then 2010 - Labour "Current levels of spending are sufficient, and spending not protected" Now 2015 - "spending has been insufficient even though it has increased"
In government - mid staffs crisis Out of government - record satisfaction with NHS
Labour's weaponisation of the NHS would be sad if it were not so blantantly dishonest.
Why do you think 80% of Acute Trusts are in deficit compared to 1% in 2010?
Clue Lansley reforms are a conflict of interest. Providers who commission do not belong to the Acute Sector
Unsure what your point is - if there isn't enough money now then Labour planned to spend less.
Having used the NHS extensively over the last few years. I cannot see a problem with Acute not being in charge. For a complicated condition one family member saw various specialists across the region in various specialist units who all diagnosed their own specialism incorrectly. It was only the persistance of our GP that finally allowed a correct diagnosis
@SamCoatesTimes: I'm feeling like Ruth Davidson is the winner of tonight's debate and Bernard Ponsonbury is the loser. As for Sturgeon v Murphy? Who knows...
Saltire No, she ruled it out after the Westminster election but said they would draw up their manifesto for Holyrood in 2016, she also said it would depend on voters views (ie if 55%+ in the polls were voting Yes, yesterday's yougov had 47%).
Yes it depends on voters views, if voters put them in power 2016 they will know they will be voting for another indyref.
Good question, will the SNP retain their majority in Holyrood after 2016? If UKIP or the Greens get more that 5-6% in 2016 then the SNP would lose it.
Greens pro-independence, and yes, there will be several new Greens in 2016.
Currently the Holyrood polls suggest that the SNP will get around 55 seats, 10 short of a majority, while the Greens and UKIP at around 7-8 seats each, still not enough for an SNP-GRN coalition. So the SNP is facing in 2016 what Labour and the Tories are facing this year (poetic justice?), whatever happens not even a coalition will have enough seats for a majority.
SNP got 53 FPTP seats with 45% of the vote. They are now on 51% of the vote and will get almost all the 73 FPTP seats. They could get a majority just on FPTP seats. With the "SNP Seat, Green List" message, the Greens will get 12+ seats. Pro-Indy will have 80+ seats.
You are forgetting the electoral system in scotland is not FPTP. They use an Additional Members System which is approximately proportional. Also the SNP is not on 51% but 39-42% in the latest polls for the list and 44-46% for the constituencies.
The questions on a hung parliament could all be quite meaningless in 4 weeks time if something happens to move opinion polls by a couple percentage points...
“He’s our hero, he’s the best person we’ve ever met,” a group of giddy teenagers exclaimed after getting a selfie with their idol this afternoon.
You would have thought these 14-year-old teenage girls had met a member of One Direction, but the hero they were referring to was Nigel Farage.'
He’s just the best person I’ve ever met in my life,” said Sophie, one of the 14-year-old girls. “It’s made our Easter holidays and when I go back to school I’m going to tell all my friends that I met Nigel Farage.”
Impressionable 16- and 17-year-olds bad, impressionable 14-year-olds, fine.
Oh did someone say they should be able to vote then? Missed that
I'd put them both in the "bad" category myself. It shouldn't be difficult to impress a load of 14-year-olds, whatever your political persuation. Indeed the world's youth have always been the early adopters of most demagogues.
“He’s our hero, he’s the best person we’ve ever met,” a group of giddy teenagers exclaimed after getting a selfie with their idol this afternoon.
You would have thought these 14-year-old teenage girls had met a member of One Direction, but the hero they were referring to was Nigel Farage.'
He’s just the best person I’ve ever met in my life,” said Sophie, one of the 14-year-old girls. “It’s made our Easter holidays and when I go back to school I’m going to tell all my friends that I met Nigel Farage.”
Impressionable 16- and 17-year-olds bad, impressionable 14-year-olds, fine.
Oh did someone say they should be able to vote then? Missed that
I'd put them both in the "bad" category myself. It shouldn't be difficult to impress a load of 14-year-olds, whatever your political persuation. Indeed the world's youth have always been the early adopters of most demagogues.
Saltire No, she ruled it out after the Westminster election but said they would draw up their manifesto for Holyrood in 2016, she also said it would depend on voters views (ie if 55%+ in the polls were voting Yes, yesterday's yougov had 47%).
Yes it depends on voters views, if voters put them in power 2016 they will know they will be voting for another indyref.
Good question, will the SNP retain their majority in Holyrood after 2016? If UKIP or the Greens get more that 5-6% in 2016 then the SNP would lose it.
Greens pro-independence, and yes, there will be several new Greens in 2016.
Currently the Holyrood polls suggest that the SNP will get around 55 seats, 10 short of a majority, while the Greens and UKIP at around 7-8 seats each, still not enough for an SNP-GRN coalition. So the SNP is facing in 2016 what Labour and the Tories are facing this year (poetic justice?), whatever happens not even a coalition will have enough seats for a majority.
SNP got 53 FPTP seats with 45% of the vote. They are now on 51% of the vote and will get almost all the 73 FPTP seats. They could get a majority just on FPTP seats. With the "SNP Seat, Green List" message, the Greens will get 12+ seats. Pro-Indy will have 80+ seats.
You are forgetting the electoral system in scotland is not FPTP. They use an Additional Members System which is approximately proportional. Also the SNP is not on 51% but 44%-46% in the latest polls.
You are forgetting the Scottish system IS FPTP to start with - then fiddled by Labour under Mr Dewar to give the losers seats under the list system. Dair is pointing out that if the FPTP element does well enough, that is a long way to an absolute majority.
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Do they REALLY think they will get any Glasgow seats when it comes down to it??
Woot. Vote SNP.
@blairmcdougall: Nicola Sturgeon said #indyref was "once in a lifetime". What changed?
vine.co/v/Oq6KMgdnFaD
And why not. 60% of Scotland wants another within 10 years.
Remember the audience is selected on a basis of "current polls and last election results", it's not reflective of Scotland by design.
"You voted for the same amount of cuts".
If UKIP or the Greens get more that 5-6% in 2016 then the SNP would lose it.
Paul Ryan @pjryan51
Jim Murphy " I'm going to stand back let these two(Ruth and Nicola) fight it out". Thats the problem Jim. Sitting on fence. #ScotDebates
James Forsyth @JGForsyth
Jim Murphy says that Ruth Davidson is saying there’s no difference between Tories/Labour, she responds yes there is you crashed the economy
Dean Wood @DeanW1
Ruth Davidson just destroyed Rennie there "We voted for the same cuts" #ScotDebates
The only two posters I can recall posting in much detail about the Lansley plans from a position of understanding at the time they were being put together were tim and Seth O'Logue/Avery Lympe-Pole (and I suspect only the latter had actually read the plans through in full). Needless to say their opinions were polar opposites! And neither being health professionals.
I think that it will be there but I do agree with you that they will decline to hold one if they think they would lose it
So the SNP is facing in 2016 what Labour and the Tories are facing this year (poetic justice?), whatever happens not even a coalition will have enough seats for a majority.
James Forsyth @JGForsyth
I might have misheard but I think Jim Murphy just said that the IFS have said Labour might not have to make further cuts. Did I mishear?
Marcus Buist @marcus_buist
Ruth Davidson nails Murphy for saying Tories are like Labour. The @ScotTories are the only alternative to extreme socialism #ScotDebates
“He’s our hero, he’s the best person we’ve ever met,” a group of giddy teenagers exclaimed after getting a selfie with their idol this afternoon.
You would have thought these 14-year-old teenage girls had met a member of One Direction, but the hero they were referring to was Nigel Farage.'
He’s just the best person I’ve ever met in my life,” said Sophie, one of the 14-year-old girls. “It’s made our Easter holidays and when I go back to school I’m going to tell all my friends that I met Nigel Farage.”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/general-election-2015-dreams-come-true-for-these-teenage-girls-as-they-meet-their-hero--nigel-farage-10160619.html?cmpid=facebook-post
Dan Hodges ✔ @DPJHodges
Is Jim Murphy now saying Labour will not cut anything at all?
James Dubhthaigh @JamesDubhthaigh
Wow, Ruth Davidson just absolutely destroyed Jim Murphy. #ScotDebates
Edward Mayes @eljmayes
Ruth Davidson is doing very, very well in this debate. Passion and substance, Cameron take note! #ScotDebates
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/03/labour-could-end-cuts-next-year-and-still-meet-deficit-targets-says-ifs
It may, however, subdue any tactical Tory voting in Labour's favour.
#calledit
Tories move 9 points clear with Welsh pensioners and now lead in West, Mid and North Wales.
Looks like you can just register, but I haven't myself.
http://player.stv.tv/live/
The debates really are NOT the opportunity some thought it would be.
SNP third among UK born Scottish residents born outside Scotland.
Clearly, the mass movement of the English would kill independence forever.
David Greig @DavieGreig
Got to hand it to Ruth Davidson. She's the leader of the opposition in Scotland now
Clue Lansley reforms are a conflict of interest.
Providers who commission do not belong to the Acute Sector
Unsure what your point is - if there isn't enough money now then Labour planned to spend less.
Having used the NHS extensively over the last few years. I cannot see a problem with Acute not being in charge. For a complicated condition one family member saw various specialists across the region in various specialist units who all diagnosed their own specialism incorrectly. It was only the persistance of our GP that finally allowed a correct diagnosis
They use an Additional Members System which is approximately proportional.
Also the SNP is not on 51% but 39-42% in the latest polls for the list and 44-46% for the constituencies.
They would all be millionaires if they were able to accurately foretell economics.
Gets coat
What does that mean for Brecon & Radnor and Ceredigion?