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  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Possibly the least horrible panel this year...

    @bbcquestiontime: Our #bbcqt panel this week: @trussliz, @vincecable, @Douglas4Paisley, @CarolineLucas & @timothy_stanley http://t.co/A4zwochNFH
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    thanks. I couldn't enlarge the pic in the other format and I couldn't recognize him

    Can you recognize who is the third one on the first row in that 1987 GE poster?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CB_UrZTWgAAg_6p.jpg:large

    You can read (just about) the captions here:
    http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/newspaper-advertisement-for-the-british-conservative-party-news-photo/92063310

    (It says Richard Stanton of Brighton Council; and now Green. Oh.)
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @bbcnickrobinson: So, you wanted a big election choice? You've got one on Europe which is why Blair backed Ed Miliband today. My blog http://t.co/ipLK8WxXAR
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @paulhutcheon: BBC hits out at 'personal abuse' directed at journalists http://t.co/NijbmCc87G
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    Scott_P said:

    Possibly the least horrible panel this year...

    @bbcquestiontime: Our #bbcqt panel this week: @trussliz, @vincecable, @Douglas4Paisley, @CarolineLucas & @timothy_stanley http://t.co/A4zwochNFH

    I dare say Natalie Bennett is pleased to let Lucas have a go after another radio car crash, it would be unfortunate to have two days with multiple PR disasters. Seems the sisterhood is a little less than fulsome in its praise today ;)
    https://twitter.com/bindelj/status/585353054804914177
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,531
    Scott_P said:

    Possibly the least horrible panel this year...

    @bbcquestiontime: Our #bbcqt panel this week: @trussliz, @vincecable, @Douglas4Paisley, @CarolineLucas & @timothy_stanley http://t.co/A4zwochNFH

    How on earth does Tim Stanley get on the panel? While his Telegraph columns are essential reading, they are also becoming increasingly absurd.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_P said:

    Possibly the least horrible panel this year...

    @bbcquestiontime: Our #bbcqt panel this week: @trussliz, @vincecable, @Douglas4Paisley, @CarolineLucas & @timothy_stanley http://t.co/A4zwochNFH

    How on earth does Tim Stanley get on the panel? While his Telegraph columns are essential reading, they are also becoming increasingly absurd.
    He is helping the kippers develop their persecution complex with the BBC by taking the spot on the panel they would expect to get one of their members in.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Roger said:

    I miss Tony Blair. What a class act. No one puts a case like he does.

    Wrong me old Roger! Nigel Farage puts the case even better, but in this case for UKIP.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Scott_P said:

    @bbcnickrobinson: So, you wanted a big election choice? You've got one on Europe which is why Blair backed Ed Miliband today. My blog http://t.co/ipLK8WxXAR

    The worst possible battlefield for Labour is Europe.
    And that's what Blair wants, make these elections like the euro-elections and see Labour lose.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,369
    Scott_P said:

    @paulhutcheon: BBC hits out at 'personal abuse' directed at journalists http://t.co/NijbmCc87G

    Don't worry, they'll all be purged when the SNP comes to power ;)
  • FalseFlagFalseFlag Posts: 1,801
    It would still be possible to force on Israel a two state solution. I expect this would be unacceptable to the fast growing Orthodox extremists and the inevitable fate of the Palestinian people will be an acceleration of the current policy of ethnic cleansing. Of course if this receives as much media attention as is currently devoted to Palestinian suffering I expect most will never be aware it happened, not unlike the attack on the USS Liberty.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    Not counting in Northumberland until Friday at 9:00. Pathetic. At least the LibDems will be able to hold onto Berwick for a few extra hours.

    And Warwick not until 10am Friday it would seem. I thought the law had been changed to require immediate overnight counting unless there was a very good reason not to.

    I can see that St. Ives might get a pass, as the seat includes the Scilly Isles and presumably they can't the ballot boxes over until the next day, but if the Western Isles can do an overnight count, I'm not sure I buy even that.

    (oh and :delurk:)
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,369

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Anybody know if we're getting the first ICM poll of election this week?

    Next week
    Thanks. That's a blow. :(

    They don't like polling during the holiday period.

    On the flip side, we should get both ICM and Ipsos Mori next week.

    And the ComRes phone poll too.

    Which means four phone polls in short order
    Opinion polls... must have opinion polls....

    (I want to see if my Tory lead in ELBOW isn't just a statistical blip!)
    It might be.. given the last few polls. That populs was depressing for team blue.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    edited April 2015
    http://us1.campaign-archive2.com/?u=e17762efe2cccb1f0ed943c1f&id=78d32038bf&e=50c0187e78

    On behalf of The Jewish Chronicle, Survation conducted a poll by telephone of the Jewish community in Britain, on their voting intentions, views about the upcoming general election and their attitudes to party leaders, policies and their effect on voting intention. Full data tables are available here.

    Fieldwork: Thursday April 2nd and Tuesday April 7th in consideration of Pesach.
    --------
    For the non-jew: The Jewish Chronicle is about as relevant to the remaining British Jews as is Warcry to British Christians.

    The Jewish Board of Guardians - a non elected pompous body - are all deeply conservative, and probably had a hand a hand in this. If you want to see a poll as political fluff; this is it.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited April 2015
    By the way for those who follow 2016 news, Rand Paul finally announces his candidacy.

    http://www.c-span.org/video/?325139-1/senator-rand-paul-rky-presidential-campaign-announcement

    He is preparing it for quite a while it seems, he even has his own store of hilarious apparel:
    https://store.randpaul.com/
    https://store.randpaul.com/index.php/fun-stuff.html

    Now you can buy an NSA Spy Cam Blocker for just 15$.
    Or a Rand On A Stick for 35$.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Scott_P said:

    Possibly the least horrible panel this year...

    @bbcquestiontime: Our #bbcqt panel this week: @trussliz, @vincecable, @Douglas4Paisley, @CarolineLucas & @timothy_stanley http://t.co/A4zwochNFH

    I predict a key topic will be how horrible the SNP are. Again.
  • Steven_WhaleySteven_Whaley Posts: 313
    edited April 2015
    Putting this as mildly and politely as I can... (speaking as a pro-EUer) the last person in the world I'd want to have making any kind of pro-EU case in public is Tony Blair.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,540
    rpjs said:

    Not counting in Northumberland until Friday at 9:00. Pathetic. At least the LibDems will be able to hold onto Berwick for a few extra hours.

    And Warwick not until 10am Friday it would seem. I thought the law had been changed to require immediate overnight counting unless there was a very good reason not to.

    I can see that St. Ives might get a pass, as the seat includes the Scilly Isles and presumably they can't the ballot boxes over until the next day, but if the Western Isles can do an overnight count, I'm not sure I buy even that.

    (oh and :delurk:)
    Nice first post rpjs. I have no idea of the legal situation but it seems poor form for a constituency not to count on election night.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Plato said:

    This is why I could never be a Green Party member.

    Green Party members told: dress in a 'mainsteam' manner, and don't stand too close to voters

    Natalie Bennett's footsoldiers given advice on how to blend in with the public

    http://tinyurl.com/H1tMeWithYourRhythmStick

    The party’s foot-soldiers are instructed to appear “level-headed”, to not stand too close to people’s front doors and to express their admiration for voters’ homes.

    'I love your gas barbecue and patio heaters! Wow, you've got Air Con too. Would you consider voting for the Greens?'
    Being told to 'blend in' with the public makes them sound like invaders from another planet. Hmm..
    I doubt they will get David Vincent's vote.

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,369
    rpjs said:

    Not counting in Northumberland until Friday at 9:00. Pathetic. At least the LibDems will be able to hold onto Berwick for a few extra hours.

    And Warwick not until 10am Friday it would seem. I thought the law had been changed to require immediate overnight counting unless there was a very good reason not to.

    I can see that St. Ives might get a pass, as the seat includes the Scilly Isles and presumably they can't the ballot boxes over until the next day, but if the Western Isles can do an overnight count, I'm not sure I buy even that.

    (oh and :delurk:)
    Welcome to PB, and I feel strongly about overnight counting. I wasn't aware that the law had been changed though?
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    MikeK said:

    http://us1.campaign-archive2.com/?u=e17762efe2cccb1f0ed943c1f&id=78d32038bf&e=50c0187e78

    On behalf of The Jewish Chronicle, Survation conducted a poll by telephone of the Jewish community in Britain, on their voting intentions, views about the upcoming general election and their attitudes to party leaders, policies and their effect on voting intention. Full data tables are available here.

    Fieldwork: Thursday April 2nd and Tuesday April 7th in consideration of Pesach.
    --------
    For the non-jew: The Jewish Chronicle is about as relevant to the remaining British Jews as is Warcry to British Christians.

    The Jewish Board of Guardians - a non elected pompous body - are all deeply conservative, and probably had a hand a hand in this. If you want to see a poll as political fluff; this is it.

    How does one do a telephone poll of the Jewish community? Presumably by using an existing database of Jewish subscribers. Who would have such a database?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,124
    FPT
    JackW said:

    » show previous quotes
    I know SNP wallas don't do detail but a point of fact is that John Thurso isn't a "Mr".

    On your more substantive point I have this odd thought that had Viscount Thurso not been undertaking a robust campaign you'd be indicating he'd given up.

    Clearly as a matter of consistency you'll also be of the opinion that the extensive SNP leafleting campaign in many seats is also a sign of "desperation" ??

    Is Thurso a lady then
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,531
    MikeK said:

    http://us1.campaign-archive2.com/?u=e17762efe2cccb1f0ed943c1f&id=78d32038bf&e=50c0187e78

    On behalf of The Jewish Chronicle, Survation conducted a poll by telephone of the Jewish community in Britain, on their voting intentions, views about the upcoming general election and their attitudes to party leaders, policies and their effect on voting intention. Full data tables are available here.

    Fieldwork: Thursday April 2nd and Tuesday April 7th in consideration of Pesach.
    --------
    For the non-jew: The Jewish Chronicle is about as relevant to the remaining British Jews as is Warcry to British Christians.

    The Jewish Board of Guardians - a non elected pompous body - are all deeply conservative, and probably had a hand a hand in this. If you want to see a poll as political fluff; this is it.

    Apparently, Jews lie if called by the Jewish Chronicle...
    If it'd been done by YouGov it would have shown 103% of Jews voting for UKIP
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Scott_P said:

    Possibly the least horrible panel this year...

    @bbcquestiontime: Our #bbcqt panel this week: @trussliz, @vincecable, @Douglas4Paisley, @CarolineLucas & @timothy_stanley http://t.co/A4zwochNFH

    How can the BBC get away with Question Time during purdah. Are they going to list the candidates for the seats each of these is fighting for?

    Even if they are going to claim that they will be speaking generally and not mention their constituency, they're giving out the twitter @Douglas4Paisley which is clearly a constituency message,
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,124
    Danny565 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @iainmartin1: In Scotland BBC have surveyed voters. They want big increases in public spending, no cuts, higher pay. All paid for with magic money tree.

    Similar results would be found in England, IMO.
    That would not suit Scott's hatred of all things Scottish though. Bitter and twisted that there are more Panda's than Tories , he wails and gnashes his teeth on here all the time like a broken record.
  • NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,329
    I disagree with this wholeheartedly. If we consider the routine extermination of Christians in Iraq and Syria by IS, and other persecution of Christians across the middle east I cannot think that the Jews would be allowed to exist elsewhere.

    Open doors provide a map which is shows predominantly extreme persecution across the middle east https://www.opendoorsusa.org/christian-persecution/world-watch-list/

    JEO said:

    Roger said:

    Jessop

    "Yet idiots people only mention the rights of the Palestinians to return to their ancestral homelands ... "

    Enough of your right wing drivel

    If they hadn't behaved as badly as they did towards the Palestinians they wouldn't now be in this position. The Israeli treatment of the Palestinians has been a disgrace. Consider this. I who have never visited Israel can live there. A Palestinian born there and kicked out of their home to accommodate the likes of me can't even visit.

    Let me rephrase that:
    "If the Arabs had not behaved as badly as they did towards the Jews they wouldn't now be in this position. The Arab treatment of the Jews has been a disgrace."

    And continue to ~3000 BC ...

    If it had not been for the formation of the Jewish state, there would be no Jews in the entire Middle East, their ancestral homelands.

    I'm not defending everything Israel does - far from. They're their own worst enemy at times. But the idea that the Palestinian states and surrounding governments are morally better is laughable.
    I am not sure that is quite correct. I understand the main reason Jews were kicked out of other Middle Eastern nations was because of anger over Israel. If Israel was not formed, plenty of Jews would be living in other Middle Eastern nations.

    I do agree with the idea that other Arab states are no more moral than Israel. But I do not think that is the question. The question is whether Israel is behaving in unacceptable ways that delegitimise it as a democratic power. The permanent occupation over another people, and the slow annexation of their land, suggests it is. And I say this as a great admirer of the Jews.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,531
    malcolmg said:

    FPT
    JackW said:

    » show previous quotes
    I know SNP wallas don't do detail but a point of fact is that John Thurso isn't a "Mr".

    On your more substantive point I have this odd thought that had Viscount Thurso not been undertaking a robust campaign you'd be indicating he'd given up.

    Clearly as a matter of consistency you'll also be of the opinion that the extensive SNP leafleting campaign in many seats is also a sign of "desperation" ??

    Is Thurso a lady then

    I think it's possible that Viscount Thurso will be the only remaining LibDem MP in Scotland - he's certainly the only one with a genuinely significant personal vote.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,531
    Dair said:

    Scott_P said:

    Possibly the least horrible panel this year...

    @bbcquestiontime: Our #bbcqt panel this week: @trussliz, @vincecable, @Douglas4Paisley, @CarolineLucas & @timothy_stanley http://t.co/A4zwochNFH

    How can the BBC get away with Question Time during purdah. Are they going to list the candidates for the seats each of these is fighting for?

    Even if they are going to claim that they will be speaking generally and not mention their constituency, they're giving out the twitter @Douglas4Paisley which is clearly a constituency message,
    I'd assumed Douglas Paisley the Fourth was one of the Rev Ian Paisley's children
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,124

    Financier said:



    UK:
    To me, the saddest thing about the debate was there was no reference – none, nada, zilch – to foreign policy; I predict that ten years from now we will see Cameron’s contribution to political life as having been the ‘shrinking of Britain’ – which is happening day-by-day, with no complaints from anyone.

    A country doesn't shrink or grow via foreign policy (unless in a WW1 scenario). It shrinks or grows due to economic policy. Fleets of aircraft carriers and the like are merely an outward expression of inner wealth.
    Luckily we have a carrier just lacking the aircraft , are half innerly wealthy
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Tories accuse Labour of orchestrating 'stitch up' letter from doctors

    The Conservatives obtain a copy of a letter from doctors which they say is evidence that Labour is trying to 'weaponise' the NHS

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11520007/Tories-accuse-Labour-of-orchestrating-stitch-up-letter-from-doctors.html

    They have also run a 'not working' style poster attacking the tories over the NHS. Pathetic the way they weaponise the NHS.
    You would never believe that in the last election Labour under Brown were saying in their manifesto that the level of NHS spending was good enough and that the NHS could afford a £20 billion efficiency drive. And that it was OK if some of that was achieved by contracting out to private companies. That level of real spending has been maintained under the tories.
    Labour are cheap and nasty.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Scott_P said:

    @paulhutcheon: BBC hits out at 'personal abuse' directed at journalists http://t.co/NijbmCc87G

    Unbelievable that BBC Scotland give up all pretence at impartiality. Now their biased journalists should be beyond criticism. Utterly ridiculous. BBC Scotland need taken in hand by the BBC Trust.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,252
    Alistair said:

    Scott_P said:

    Possibly the least horrible panel this year...

    @bbcquestiontime: Our #bbcqt panel this week: @trussliz, @vincecable, @Douglas4Paisley, @CarolineLucas & @timothy_stanley http://t.co/A4zwochNFH

    I predict a key topic will be how horrible the SNP are. Again.
    They'll have to go some to beat Norman Lamb's rant :D
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,124
    rcs1000 said:

    malcolmg said:

    FPT
    JackW said:

    » show previous quotes
    I know SNP wallas don't do detail but a point of fact is that John Thurso isn't a "Mr".

    On your more substantive point I have this odd thought that had Viscount Thurso not been undertaking a robust campaign you'd be indicating he'd given up.

    Clearly as a matter of consistency you'll also be of the opinion that the extensive SNP leafleting campaign in many seats is also a sign of "desperation" ??

    Is Thurso a lady then

    I think it's possible that Viscount Thurso will be the only remaining LibDem MP in Scotland - he's certainly the only one with a genuinely significant personal vote.
    Hopefully the rotters will be extinct as they deserve.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,383
    Scott_P said:

    Dair said:

    Earlier DDoS attacks on various pro-Independence and pro-SNP websites.

    What a spectacular waste of effort. If true.
    It certainly puts endless regurgitation of other peoples' tweets on an obscure website into perspective.

    *Fight the Nat power*
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited April 2015

    Tories accuse Labour of orchestrating 'stitch up' letter from doctors

    The Conservatives obtain a copy of a letter from doctors which they say is evidence that Labour is trying to 'weaponise' the NHS

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11520007/Tories-accuse-Labour-of-orchestrating-stitch-up-letter-from-doctors.html

    They have also run a 'not working' style poster attacking the tories over the NHS. Pathetic the way they weaponise the NHS.
    You would never believe that in the last election Labour under Brown were saying in their manifesto that the level of NHS spending was good enough and that the NHS could afford a £20 billion efficiency drive. And that it was OK if some of that was achieved by contracting out to private companies. That level of real spending has been maintained under the tories.
    Labour are cheap and nasty.
    Labour messed up GP contracts - that's why many don't work out of hours.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Alistair said:

    Scott_P said:

    Possibly the least horrible panel this year...

    @bbcquestiontime: Our #bbcqt panel this week: @trussliz, @vincecable, @Douglas4Paisley, @CarolineLucas & @timothy_stanley http://t.co/A4zwochNFH

    I predict a key topic will be how horrible the SNP are. Again.
    Any discussion of Scotland or the SNP should be immediately shut down due to purdah rules. Of course with Dimbleby in the chair, the likelihood of that is nil.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,017

    Tories accuse Labour of orchestrating 'stitch up' letter from doctors

    The Conservatives obtain a copy of a letter from doctors which they say is evidence that Labour is trying to 'weaponise' the NHS

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11520007/Tories-accuse-Labour-of-orchestrating-stitch-up-letter-from-doctors.html

    They have also run a 'not working' style poster attacking the tories over the NHS. Pathetic the way they weaponise the NHS.
    You would never believe that in the last election Labour under Brown were saying in their manifesto that the level of NHS spending was good enough and that the NHS could afford a £20 billion efficiency drive. And that it was OK if some of that was achieved by contracting out to private companies. That level of real spending has been maintained under the tories.
    Labour are cheap and nasty.

    Agreed. It is outrageous that the Labour party should seek to make the NHS an issue in this election.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,164
    Speedy Indeed, more of Rand Paul's announcement here. He will certainly be a contendor in Iowa and NH
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/04/07/rand-paul-set-to-announce-presidential-run/
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,383
    rcs1000 said:

    Dair said:

    Scott_P said:

    Possibly the least horrible panel this year...

    @bbcquestiontime: Our #bbcqt panel this week: @trussliz, @vincecable, @Douglas4Paisley, @CarolineLucas & @timothy_stanley http://t.co/A4zwochNFH

    How can the BBC get away with Question Time during purdah. Are they going to list the candidates for the seats each of these is fighting for?

    Even if they are going to claim that they will be speaking generally and not mention their constituency, they're giving out the twitter @Douglas4Paisley which is clearly a constituency message,
    I'd assumed Douglas Paisley the Fourth was one of the Rev Ian Paisley's children
    He is certainly a minister's (reverend's) child, another son of the manse with an unerring moral compass.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,017
    Dair said:

    Scott_P said:

    @paulhutcheon: BBC hits out at 'personal abuse' directed at journalists http://t.co/NijbmCc87G

    Unbelievable that BBC Scotland give up all pretence at impartiality. Now their biased journalists should be beyond criticism. Utterly ridiculous. BBC Scotland need taken in hand by the BBC Trust.
    Dair said:

    Scott_P said:

    @paulhutcheon: BBC hits out at 'personal abuse' directed at journalists http://t.co/NijbmCc87G

    Unbelievable that BBC Scotland give up all pretence at impartiality. Now their biased journalists should be beyond criticism. Utterly ridiculous. BBC Scotland need taken in hand by the BBC Trust.

    I like the way that you have tacitly acknowledged that the abuse, as opposed to criticism, BBC journalists get comes from one side only.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,599
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy Indeed, more of Rand Paul's announcement here. He will certainly be a contendor in Iowa and NH
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/04/07/rand-paul-set-to-announce-presidential-run/

    Excellent. There is a betting life after GE2015!!
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,124
    Dair said:

    Scott_P said:

    @paulhutcheon: BBC hits out at 'personal abuse' directed at journalists http://t.co/NijbmCc87G

    Unbelievable that BBC Scotland give up all pretence at impartiality. Now their biased journalists should be beyond criticism. Utterly ridiculous. BBC Scotland need taken in hand by the BBC Trust.
    They need the same as Carmichael did to the mole in his department
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,730
    Evening all

    The Jewish Chronicle poll is interesting. The sample plans to vote 57-18-7 Conservative-Labour-Other, versus a self-reported 51-17-9 last time. The Conservatives are benefitting from a massive share of the 2010 "Did Not Vote" respondents, while 2010 Labour lose a lot to "Undecided". Also interesting: 45 per cent of the sample thinks Israel is a very important influencer of their vote; 73 per cent think it's very or quite important. The more important Israel is among a subsample, the better the Conservatives do. A final note is that this sample was "pre-selected on the basis of a high probability of likely Jewish identity", so we're probably talking about highly-Jewish postcodes, particularly in London (two-thirds of the sample), and it's not weighted by unavailable data like past vote share or social class. Constituencies like Hendon, Chipping Barnet, Finchley and Golders Green and Hertsmere are already 6-20 points more Conservative than the country as a whole, so weigh that up.

    But I wonder to what extent self-identification as Jewish is different these days from seventy years ago, after three generations of secularism and Israel causing divisions in that community.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,424
    JEO said:

    Roger said:

    Jessop

    "Yet idiots people only mention the rights of the Palestinians to return to their ancestral homelands ... "

    Enough of your right wing drivel

    If they hadn't behaved as badly as they did towards the Palestinians they wouldn't now be in this position. The Israeli treatment of the Palestinians has been a disgrace. Consider this. I who have never visited Israel can live there. A Palestinian born there and kicked out of their home to accommodate the likes of me can't even visit.

    Let me rephrase that:
    "If the Arabs had not behaved as badly as they did towards the Jews they wouldn't now be in this position. The Arab treatment of the Jews has been a disgrace."

    And continue to ~3000 BC ...

    If it had not been for the formation of the Jewish state, there would be no Jews in the entire Middle East, their ancestral homelands.

    I'm not defending everything Israel does - far from. They're their own worst enemy at times. But the idea that the Palestinian states and surrounding governments are morally better is laughable.
    I am not sure that is quite correct. I understand the main reason Jews were kicked out of other Middle Eastern nations was because of anger over Israel. If Israel was not formed, plenty of Jews would be living in other Middle Eastern nations.

    I do agree with the idea that other Arab states are no more moral than Israel. But I do not think that is the question. The question is whether Israel is behaving in unacceptable ways that delegitimise it as a democratic power. The permanent occupation over another people, and the slow annexation of their land, suggests it is. And I say this as a great admirer of the Jews.
    I fear you are wrong. The problems in surrounding nations and the exodus started many decades before the formation of Israel, so it might be more accurate to say that the formation of Israel was, in part, a reaction to the pogroms, blood libels, and other nonsense that went on. It varied from country to country, and there was immigration into some countries, but the general emigration trend was well in place before the 1930s.

    And that is an important distinction.

    Read the history of Jews in Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Iran etc through the nineteenth century for more information. Oddly, Iran is one of the better countries (although better is a loose term) for Jews to live in nowadays.

    I don't like a great deal of what the Israeli government does. But I don't like a great deal of what the Palestinian authorities or those of neighbouring countries do, either. It's a hideous mess.

    But blaming Israel for it, whilst absolving the other parties from all blame, is distinctly dodgy and unhealthy.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    RobD said:


    Welcome to PB, and I feel strongly about overnight counting. I wasn't aware that the law had been changed though?

    A quick furtle around the Electoral Commission's website finds that its guidance to ROs expects them to begin counting within four hours of the close of poll and requires them to send the EC an explanation of why they didn't if they fail to comply. Doesn't specify the statutory basis though. Part E – Verifying and counting the votes UK Parliamentary general election in Great Britain on 7 May 2015: guidance for (Acting) Returning Officers
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,017
    EPG said:

    Evening all

    The Jewish Chronicle poll is interesting. The sample plans to vote 57-18-7 Conservative-Labour-Other, versus a self-reported 51-17-9 last time. The Conservatives are benefitting from a massive share of the 2010 "Did Not Vote" respondents, while 2010 Labour lose a lot to "Undecided". Also interesting: 45 per cent of the sample thinks Israel is a very important influencer of their vote; 73 per cent think it's very or quite important. The more important Israel is among a subsample, the better the Conservatives do. A final note is that this sample was "pre-selected on the basis of a high probability of likely Jewish identity", so we're probably talking about highly-Jewish postcodes, particularly in London (two-thirds of the sample), and it's not weighted by unavailable data like past vote share or social class. Constituencies like Hendon, Chipping Barnet, Finchley and Golders Green and Hertsmere are already 6-20 points more Conservative than the country as a whole, so weigh that up.

    But I wonder to what extent self-identification as Jewish is different these days from seventy years ago, after three generations of secularism and Israel causing divisions in that community.

    I know very few practising Jews, but all my Jewish friends are very connected to their Jewish identities. Many are married to non-Jewish women, but still consider their kids Jewish - to the extent that they have had bar and bat mitzvahs (in ultra liberal synagogues, of course). Israel does not seem to cause any divisions; the actions of certain Israeli governments do.

  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,017
    Dair said:

    Alistair said:

    Scott_P said:

    Possibly the least horrible panel this year...

    @bbcquestiontime: Our #bbcqt panel this week: @trussliz, @vincecable, @Douglas4Paisley, @CarolineLucas & @timothy_stanley http://t.co/A4zwochNFH

    I predict a key topic will be how horrible the SNP are. Again.
    Any discussion of Scotland or the SNP should be immediately shut down due to purdah rules. Of course with Dimbleby in the chair, the likelihood of that is nil.

    Indeed. Any discussion of any subject that may cause the SNP, its leadership and/or supporters even a moment's discomfort is against all electoral rules. If it is permitted it is a clear sign of bias. There can be no other explanation.

  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Dair said:

    Scott_P said:

    @paulhutcheon: BBC hits out at 'personal abuse' directed at journalists http://t.co/NijbmCc87G

    Unbelievable that BBC Scotland give up all pretence at impartiality. Now their biased journalists should be beyond criticism. Utterly ridiculous. BBC Scotland need taken in hand by the BBC Trust.
    Dair said:

    Scott_P said:

    @paulhutcheon: BBC hits out at 'personal abuse' directed at journalists http://t.co/NijbmCc87G

    Unbelievable that BBC Scotland give up all pretence at impartiality. Now their biased journalists should be beyond criticism. Utterly ridiculous. BBC Scotland need taken in hand by the BBC Trust.

    I like the way that you have tacitly acknowledged that the abuse, as opposed to criticism, BBC journalists get comes from one side only.

    Criticism is not abuse.

    Cook deserved the criticism he got. Especially as he shut down the story at 11:30pm on Friday but kept regurgitating the false claim for the next 48 hours. That needs challenged and Scots should be congratulated for holding broken journalism to account - not castigated by BBC Scotland.

    Abuse has no place. But so far there is no evidence of any abuse other than unsubstantiated claims from James Cook.
  • FluffyThoughtsFluffyThoughts Posts: 2,420
    NOTE:

    Not only does Scotland have more pandas than Tory Westminster MPs; they also have more nuclear power-stations; nuclear submarines; and - yes - nuclear warheads in store (and on loan from England). Something for the Jockanese troupe of clowns to crow-about no...?

    :and-all-funded-by-England;you-ungrateful-[MODERATED]s!:
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,164
    Rottenborough Indeed, Cruz announced and Clinton and Rubio also likely to step in this month.

    Of course beyond GE 2015 and US election 2016 we have Canada's election in the autumn and Holyrood and Australia next year as well as the beginnings of the euro referendum campaign if Cameron returns to power
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,017
    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Scott_P said:

    @paulhutcheon: BBC hits out at 'personal abuse' directed at journalists http://t.co/NijbmCc87G

    Unbelievable that BBC Scotland give up all pretence at impartiality. Now their biased journalists should be beyond criticism. Utterly ridiculous. BBC Scotland need taken in hand by the BBC Trust.
    Dair said:

    Scott_P said:

    @paulhutcheon: BBC hits out at 'personal abuse' directed at journalists http://t.co/NijbmCc87G

    Unbelievable that BBC Scotland give up all pretence at impartiality. Now their biased journalists should be beyond criticism. Utterly ridiculous. BBC Scotland need taken in hand by the BBC Trust.

    I like the way that you have tacitly acknowledged that the abuse, as opposed to criticism, BBC journalists get comes from one side only.

    Criticism is not abuse.

    Cook deserved the criticism he got. Especially as he shut down the story at 11:30pm on Friday but kept regurgitating the false claim for the next 48 hours. That needs challenged and Scots should be congratulated for holding broken journalism to account - not castigated by BBC Scotland.

    Abuse has no place. But so far there is no evidence of any abuse other than unsubstantiated claims from James Cook.

    No, he didn't. He reported the story and also reported Sturgeon's denial and the denial from the French. What he failed to do was report it all in exactly the way certain fundamentalists wanted, so they abused him.



  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,606
    rpjs said:

    Not counting in Northumberland until Friday at 9:00. Pathetic. At least the LibDems will be able to hold onto Berwick for a few extra hours.

    And Warwick not until 10am Friday it would seem. I thought the law had been changed to require immediate overnight counting unless there was a very good reason not to.

    I can see that St. Ives might get a pass, as the seat includes the Scilly Isles and presumably they can't the ballot boxes over until the next day, but if the Western Isles can do an overnight count, I'm not sure I buy even that.

    (oh and :delurk:)
    Welcome.

    Haven't the Western Isles a problem in that they MUST finish before the Sabbath?
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,626
    Dair said:

    Alistair said:

    Scott_P said:

    Possibly the least horrible panel this year...

    @bbcquestiontime: Our #bbcqt panel this week: @trussliz, @vincecable, @Douglas4Paisley, @CarolineLucas & @timothy_stanley http://t.co/A4zwochNFH

    I predict a key topic will be how horrible the SNP are. Again.
    Any discussion of Scotland or the SNP should be immediately shut down due to purdah rules. Of course with Dimbleby in the chair, the likelihood of that is nil.
    Purdah? That applies to the Civil Service, not BBC TV programmes.

  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Dontcha just love Nicola ("democracy" )Sturgeon.. Yes she wanted a referendum on Scottish independence.. but definitely NO to the people of GB deciding on an in out EU vote.
    Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez
    PS I would vote to stay in FWIW
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,017

    Dair said:

    Alistair said:

    Scott_P said:

    Possibly the least horrible panel this year...

    @bbcquestiontime: Our #bbcqt panel this week: @trussliz, @vincecable, @Douglas4Paisley, @CarolineLucas & @timothy_stanley http://t.co/A4zwochNFH

    I predict a key topic will be how horrible the SNP are. Again.
    Any discussion of Scotland or the SNP should be immediately shut down due to purdah rules. Of course with Dimbleby in the chair, the likelihood of that is nil.
    Purdah? That applies to the Civil Service, not BBC TV programmes.

    Wrong. Purdah applies to any coverage that may in any way inconvenience or discomfit the SNP. It is strictly forbidden under those electoral rules you'll find in the book that also says the price of oil will not fall below $I30 a barrel, Scotland gets automatic EU membership, there will be a currency union on terms set by Scotland, and so on.

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,606
    HYUFD said:

    Rottenborough Indeed, Cruz announced and Clinton and Rubio also likely to step in this month.

    Of course beyond GE 2015 and US election 2016 we have Canada's election in the autumn and Holyrood and Australia next year as well as the beginnings of the euro referendum campaign if Cameron returns to power

    I think that's what worries me. We discussed the Scottish Referendum ad nauseum for the best part of a year, and I think that we'd discuss an IN-OUT EU referendum for at least as long.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Scott_P said:

    @paulhutcheon: BBC hits out at 'personal abuse' directed at journalists http://t.co/NijbmCc87G

    Unbelievable that BBC Scotland give up all pretence at impartiality. Now their biased journalists should be beyond criticism. Utterly ridiculous. BBC Scotland need taken in hand by the BBC Trust.
    Dair said:

    Scott_P said:

    @paulhutcheon: BBC hits out at 'personal abuse' directed at journalists http://t.co/NijbmCc87G

    Unbelievable that BBC Scotland give up all pretence at impartiality. Now their biased journalists should be beyond criticism. Utterly ridiculous. BBC Scotland need taken in hand by the BBC Trust.

    I like the way that you have tacitly acknowledged that the abuse, as opposed to criticism, BBC journalists get comes from one side only.

    Criticism is not abuse.

    Cook deserved the criticism he got. Especially as he shut down the story at 11:30pm on Friday but kept regurgitating the false claim for the next 48 hours. That needs challenged and Scots should be congratulated for holding broken journalism to account - not castigated by BBC Scotland.

    Abuse has no place. But so far there is no evidence of any abuse other than unsubstantiated claims from James Cook.

    No, he didn't. He reported the story and also reported Sturgeon's denial and the denial from the French. What he failed to do was report it all in exactly the way certain fundamentalists wanted, so they abused him.
    Repeating a weak claim for which the only evidence says is probably wrong and where no corroboration can be found is NOT journalism. It is smearing.

    Reports should have called the claim at least "unsubstantiated" every time it was mentioned if not "factually incorrect". He didn't even though, by all standards of Journalistic Practise, he had, by fact checking, established the claim was false.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    *claps*

    Dair said:

    Alistair said:

    Scott_P said:

    Possibly the least horrible panel this year...

    @bbcquestiontime: Our #bbcqt panel this week: @trussliz, @vincecable, @Douglas4Paisley, @CarolineLucas & @timothy_stanley http://t.co/A4zwochNFH

    I predict a key topic will be how horrible the SNP are. Again.
    Any discussion of Scotland or the SNP should be immediately shut down due to purdah rules. Of course with Dimbleby in the chair, the likelihood of that is nil.
    Purdah? That applies to the Civil Service, not BBC TV programmes.

    Wrong. Purdah applies to any coverage that may in any way inconvenience or discomfit the SNP. It is strictly forbidden under those electoral rules you'll find in the book that also says the price of oil will not fall below $I30 a barrel, Scotland gets automatic EU membership, there will be a currency union on terms set by Scotland, and so on.

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924

    Tories accuse Labour of orchestrating 'stitch up' letter from doctors

    The Conservatives obtain a copy of a letter from doctors which they say is evidence that Labour is trying to 'weaponise' the NHS

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11520007/Tories-accuse-Labour-of-orchestrating-stitch-up-letter-from-doctors.html

    They have also run a 'not working' style poster attacking the tories over the NHS. Pathetic the way they weaponise the NHS.
    You would never believe that in the last election Labour under Brown were saying in their manifesto that the level of NHS spending was good enough and that the NHS could afford a £20 billion efficiency drive. And that it was OK if some of that was achieved by contracting out to private companies. That level of real spending has been maintained under the tories.
    Labour are cheap and nasty.

    Agreed. It is outrageous that the Labour party should seek to make the NHS an issue in this election.
    The NHS must be an Election issue my MP has asked me to do a piece on NHS finances since 2010 for his next leaflet drop.

    Lansley is a gift to LAB. 80% of Acute Hospitals in deficit. Hospitals only paid 30% of cost for additional A&E attendances. Better Care Fund syphoning £3.8 bn away from hospitals etc etc etc
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Dair said:

    Alistair said:

    Scott_P said:

    Possibly the least horrible panel this year...

    @bbcquestiontime: Our #bbcqt panel this week: @trussliz, @vincecable, @Douglas4Paisley, @CarolineLucas & @timothy_stanley http://t.co/A4zwochNFH

    I predict a key topic will be how horrible the SNP are. Again.
    Any discussion of Scotland or the SNP should be immediately shut down due to purdah rules. Of course with Dimbleby in the chair, the likelihood of that is nil.
    Purdah? That applies to the Civil Service, not BBC TV programmes.

    What's the point of pedantry like that? You'd prefer people to type out "Short Campaign" every time. Purdah is used generally as a shorthand for the Short Campaign. You know this, I know this, pretty much anyone reading this thread knows this.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Most people use the word purdah.. when they have absolutely no idea of what it actually means.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,369
    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Scott_P said:

    @paulhutcheon: BBC hits out at 'personal abuse' directed at journalists http://t.co/NijbmCc87G

    Unbelievable that BBC Scotland give up all pretence at impartiality. Now their biased journalists should be beyond criticism. Utterly ridiculous. BBC Scotland need taken in hand by the BBC Trust.
    Dair said:

    Scott_P said:

    @paulhutcheon: BBC hits out at 'personal abuse' directed at journalists http://t.co/NijbmCc87G

    Unbelievable that BBC Scotland give up all pretence at impartiality. Now their biased journalists should be beyond criticism. Utterly ridiculous. BBC Scotland need taken in hand by the BBC Trust.

    I like the way that you have tacitly acknowledged that the abuse, as opposed to criticism, BBC journalists get comes from one side only.

    Criticism is not abuse.

    Cook deserved the criticism he got. Especially as he shut down the story at 11:30pm on Friday but kept regurgitating the false claim for the next 48 hours. That needs challenged and Scots should be congratulated for holding broken journalism to account - not castigated by BBC Scotland.

    Abuse has no place. But so far there is no evidence of any abuse other than unsubstantiated claims from James Cook.

    No, he didn't. He reported the story and also reported Sturgeon's denial and the denial from the French. What he failed to do was report it all in exactly the way certain fundamentalists wanted, so they abused him.
    Repeating a weak claim for which the only evidence says is probably wrong and where no corroboration can be found is NOT journalism. It is smearing.

    Reports should have called the claim at least "unsubstantiated" every time it was mentioned if not "factually incorrect". He didn't even though, by all standards of Journalistic Practise, he had, by fact checking, established the claim was false.
    Did the evidence say it was probably wrong, or maybe wrong. Or was it perhaps wrong? Who knows, it all depends on how you interpret it.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924

    Dair said:

    Alistair said:

    Scott_P said:

    Possibly the least horrible panel this year...

    @bbcquestiontime: Our #bbcqt panel this week: @trussliz, @vincecable, @Douglas4Paisley, @CarolineLucas & @timothy_stanley http://t.co/A4zwochNFH

    I predict a key topic will be how horrible the SNP are. Again.
    Any discussion of Scotland or the SNP should be immediately shut down due to purdah rules. Of course with Dimbleby in the chair, the likelihood of that is nil.
    Purdah? That applies to the Civil Service, not BBC TV programmes.

    Wrong. Purdah applies to any coverage that may in any way inconvenience or discomfit the SNP. It is strictly forbidden under those electoral rules you'll find in the book that also says the price of oil will not fall below $I30 a barrel, Scotland gets automatic EU membership, there will be a currency union on terms set by Scotland, and so on.

    Sarcasm is apparently the lowest form of wit. Even ranked below a TSE joke!
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,730

    EPG said:

    Evening all

    The Jewish Chronicle poll is interesting. The sample plans to vote 57-18-7 Conservative-Labour-Other, versus a self-reported 51-17-9 last time. The Conservatives are benefitting from a massive share of the 2010 "Did Not Vote" respondents, while 2010 Labour lose a lot to "Undecided". Also interesting: 45 per cent of the sample thinks Israel is a very important influencer of their vote; 73 per cent think it's very or quite important. The more important Israel is among a subsample, the better the Conservatives do. A final note is that this sample was "pre-selected on the basis of a high probability of likely Jewish identity", so we're probably talking about highly-Jewish postcodes, particularly in London (two-thirds of the sample), and it's not weighted by unavailable data like past vote share or social class. Constituencies like Hendon, Chipping Barnet, Finchley and Golders Green and Hertsmere are already 6-20 points more Conservative than the country as a whole, so weigh that up.

    But I wonder to what extent self-identification as Jewish is different these days from seventy years ago, after three generations of secularism and Israel causing divisions in that community.

    I know very few practising Jews, but all my Jewish friends are very connected to their Jewish identities. Many are married to non-Jewish women, but still consider their kids Jewish - to the extent that they have had bar and bat mitzvahs (in ultra liberal synagogues, of course). Israel does not seem to cause any divisions; the actions of certain Israeli governments do.

    I suppose I am wondering whether this pattern is itself the result of a selection process. Whether John Smith's secular Jewish identity is associated with an interest in Israel, while his cousins whose branch of the family didn't care about Israel doesn't identify as part of the community any more. I haven't a clue, it's just a question.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,369
    edited April 2015
    Dair said:


    What's the point of pedantry like that?

    Welcome to PB.com.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,626
    edited April 2015
    RobD said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Scott_P said:

    @paulhutcheon: BBC hits out at 'personal abuse' directed at journalists http://t.co/NijbmCc87G

    Unbelievable that BBC Scotland give up all pretence at impartiality. Now their biased journalists should be beyond criticism. Utterly ridiculous. BBC Scotland need taken in hand by the BBC Trust.
    Dair said:

    Scott_P said:

    @paulhutcheon: BBC hits out at 'personal abuse' directed at journalists http://t.co/NijbmCc87G

    Unbelievable that BBC Scotland give up all pretence at impartiality. Now their biased journalists should be beyond criticism. Utterly ridiculous. BBC Scotland need taken in hand by the BBC Trust.

    I like the way that you have tacitly acknowledged that the abuse, as opposed to criticism, BBC journalists get comes from one side only.

    Criticism is not abuse.

    Cook deserved the criticism he got. Especially as he shut down the story at 11:30pm on Friday but kept regurgitating the false claim for the next 48 hours. That needs challenged and Scots should be congratulated for holding broken journalism to account - not castigated by BBC Scotland.

    Abuse has no place. But so far there is no evidence of any abuse other than unsubstantiated claims from James Cook.

    No, he didn't. He reported the story and also reported Sturgeon's denial and the denial from the French. What he failed to do was report it all in exactly the way certain fundamentalists wanted, so they abused him.
    Repeating a weak claim for which the only evidence says is probably wrong and where no corroboration can be found is NOT journalism. It is smearing.

    Reports should have called the claim at least "unsubstantiated" every time it was mentioned if not "factually incorrect". He didn't even though, by all standards of Journalistic Practise, he had, by fact checking, established the claim was false.
    Did the evidence say it was probably wrong, or maybe wrong. Or was it perhaps wrong? Who knows, it all depends on how you interpret it.
    Apparently, to establish the facts beyond reasonable doubt, it is sufficient simply to ask a politician, and take her word for it.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,017
    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Scott_P said:

    @paulhutcheon: BBC hits out at 'personal abuse' directed at journalists http://t.co/NijbmCc87G

    Unbelievable that BBC Scotland give up all pretence at impartiality. Now their biased journalists should be beyond criticism. Utterly ridiculous. BBC Scotland need taken in hand by the BBC Trust.
    Dair said:

    Scott_P said:

    @paulhutcheon: BBC hits out at 'personal abuse' directed at journalists http://t.co/NijbmCc87G

    Unbelievable that BBC Scotland give up all pretence at impartiality. Now their biased journalists should be beyond criticism. Utterly ridiculous. BBC Scotland need taken in hand by the BBC Trust.

    I like the way that you have tacitly acknowledged that the abuse, as opposed to criticism, BBC journalists get comes from one side only.

    Criticism is not abuse.

    Cook deserved the criticism he got. Especially as he shut down the story at 11:30pm on Friday but kept regurgitating the false claim for the next 48 hours. That needs challenged and Scots should be congratulated for holding broken journalism to account - not castigated by BBC Scotland.

    Abuse has no place. But so far there is no evidence of any abuse other than unsubstantiated claims from James Cook.

    No, he didn't. He reported the story and also reported Sturgeon's denial and the denial from the French. What he failed to do was report it all in exactly the way certain fundamentalists wanted, so they abused him.
    Repeating a weak claim for which the only evidence says is probably wrong and where no corroboration can be found is NOT journalism. It is smearing.

    Reports should have called the claim at least "unsubstantiated" every time it was mentioned if not "factually incorrect". He didn't even though, by all standards of Journalistic Practise, he had, by fact checking, established the claim was false.

    Cook reported the Telegraph story and then reported the Sturgeon and French denials. That is not smearing, it is reporting. Do you have any proof that the document that the Telegraph reported on does not exist? No, you don't. In fact, it seems that all sides accept it does exist. Given that, Cook did exactly what he should have done. It's juyst that what he did was discomfiting for the SNP. Tough. That's democracy.

    Funnily enough, when the SNP claimed that currency union would definitely happen because of one off the record quote from an anonymous minister reported by the Guardian absolutely no-one from the SNP commented that this was a smear or poor reporting. No, instead it was hailed as the truth. Go figure.



  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,626
    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Alistair said:

    Scott_P said:

    Possibly the least horrible panel this year...

    @bbcquestiontime: Our #bbcqt panel this week: @trussliz, @vincecable, @Douglas4Paisley, @CarolineLucas & @timothy_stanley http://t.co/A4zwochNFH

    I predict a key topic will be how horrible the SNP are. Again.
    Any discussion of Scotland or the SNP should be immediately shut down due to purdah rules. Of course with Dimbleby in the chair, the likelihood of that is nil.
    Purdah? That applies to the Civil Service, not BBC TV programmes.

    What's the point of pedantry like that? You'd prefer people to type out "Short Campaign" every time. Purdah is used generally as a shorthand for the Short Campaign. You know this, I know this, pretty much anyone reading this thread knows this.
    Purdah is something very specific which relates to the conduct of the Civil Service during election campaigns. I should know, a detailed PDF was placed on our intranet just before the end of March.

    I don't recall any OfCom rules stating that Scottish matters may not be discussed during the Short Campaign unless a Scot is present.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @LabourList: We don't need leaked memos to understand what Sturgeon wants, argues @lukeakehurst http://labli.st/1NQ5jYQ
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,017

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Alistair said:

    Scott_P said:

    Possibly the least horrible panel this year...

    @bbcquestiontime: Our #bbcqt panel this week: @trussliz, @vincecable, @Douglas4Paisley, @CarolineLucas & @timothy_stanley http://t.co/A4zwochNFH

    I predict a key topic will be how horrible the SNP are. Again.
    Any discussion of Scotland or the SNP should be immediately shut down due to purdah rules. Of course with Dimbleby in the chair, the likelihood of that is nil.
    Purdah? That applies to the Civil Service, not BBC TV programmes.

    What's the point of pedantry like that? You'd prefer people to type out "Short Campaign" every time. Purdah is used generally as a shorthand for the Short Campaign. You know this, I know this, pretty much anyone reading this thread knows this.
    Purdah is something very specific which relates to the conduct of the Civil Service during election campaigns. I should know, a detailed PDF was placed on our intranet just before the end of March.

    I don't recall any OfCom rules stating that Scottish matters may not be discussed during the Short Campaign unless a Scot is present.

    Dair truly believes this though. Such is fundamentalism. It is a riveting phenomenon to observe.

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,606

    Tories accuse Labour of orchestrating 'stitch up' letter from doctors

    The Conservatives obtain a copy of a letter from doctors which they say is evidence that Labour is trying to 'weaponise' the NHS

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11520007/Tories-accuse-Labour-of-orchestrating-stitch-up-letter-from-doctors.html

    They have also run a 'not working' style poster attacking the tories over the NHS. Pathetic the way they weaponise the NHS.
    You would never believe that in the last election Labour under Brown were saying in their manifesto that the level of NHS spending was good enough and that the NHS could afford a £20 billion efficiency drive. And that it was OK if some of that was achieved by contracting out to private companies. That level of real spending has been maintained under the tories.
    Labour are cheap and nasty.

    Agreed. It is outrageous that the Labour party should seek to make the NHS an issue in this election.
    The NHS must be an Election issue my MP has asked me to do a piece on NHS finances since 2010 for his next leaflet drop.

    Lansley is a gift to LAB. 80% of Acute Hospitals in deficit. Hospitals only paid 30% of cost for additional A&E attendances. Better Care Fund syphoning £3.8 bn away from hospitals etc etc etc
    It might help if politicians attended to most people's experience on the NHS; GP services and the other day by day services.
    Most people have little or no experience of A&E.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,626

    Dair said:

    Alistair said:

    Scott_P said:

    Possibly the least horrible panel this year...

    @bbcquestiontime: Our #bbcqt panel this week: @trussliz, @vincecable, @Douglas4Paisley, @CarolineLucas & @timothy_stanley http://t.co/A4zwochNFH

    I predict a key topic will be how horrible the SNP are. Again.
    Any discussion of Scotland or the SNP should be immediately shut down due to purdah rules. Of course with Dimbleby in the chair, the likelihood of that is nil.
    Purdah? That applies to the Civil Service, not BBC TV programmes.

    Wrong. Purdah applies to any coverage that may in any way inconvenience or discomfit the SNP. It is strictly forbidden under those electoral rules you'll find in the book that also says the price of oil will not fall below $I30 a barrel, Scotland gets automatic EU membership, there will be a currency union on terms set by Scotland, and so on.

    Sarcasm is apparently the lowest form of wit. Even ranked below a TSE joke!
    Actually I thought there was a chance that Dair was being sarcastic, and I would be berated for not being able to spot it. Not so, it seems.

    Isn't it the Scottish Debate tonight? Anyone watching? Are we going to have a thread on it?

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Funnily enough, when the SNP claimed that currency union would definitely happen because of one off the record quote from an anonymous minister reported by the Guardian absolutely no-one from the SNP commented that this was a smear or poor reporting. No, instead it was hailed as the truth. Go figure.

    That's the funniest part of this whole story.

    A single anonymous quote, strenuously denied, is quoted as gospel by Eck every day.

    Now, a report of the existence of an official Government document is described as smear and innuendo

    They don't like it up 'em, as it were...

  • DairDair Posts: 6,108


    Cook reported the Telegraph story and then reported the Sturgeon and French denials. That is not smearing, it is reporting. Do you have any proof that the document that the Telegraph reported on does not exist? No, you don't. In fact, it seems that all sides accept it does exist. Given that, Cook did exactly what he should have done. It's juyst that what he did was discomfiting for the SNP. Tough. That's democracy.

    It's not my job to fact check for the Telegraph. It's not my logical position to disprove a negative. It is for a journalist to demonstrate that any story they run is fact checked and accurately reflects the truth (it was an article not an editorial).

    Cook actually did the fact checking that the Telegraph failed to do. He had, by 11.30pm established from conversation with the French Consul that the story was not true. Despite this, despite his own good initial journalism, he then repeated the smear over and over. The claim should not have been mentioned without the caveat of "unsubstatiated" or "factually inaccurate". That's basic standards in journalism.

    He got the criticism he deserved for poor journalism.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,773
    Are we getting ComRes / Daily Mail tonight?

    What polls are expected this week other than the regular YouGov and Populus?

    NB. YouGov is 7 days a week from now on.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,845

    Tories accuse Labour of orchestrating 'stitch up' letter from doctors

    The Conservatives obtain a copy of a letter from doctors which they say is evidence that Labour is trying to 'weaponise' the NHS

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11520007/Tories-accuse-Labour-of-orchestrating-stitch-up-letter-from-doctors.html

    They have also run a 'not working' style poster attacking the tories over the NHS. Pathetic the way they weaponise the NHS.
    You would never believe that in the last election Labour under Brown were saying in their manifesto that the level of NHS spending was good enough and that the NHS could afford a £20 billion efficiency drive. And that it was OK if some of that was achieved by contracting out to private companies. That level of real spending has been maintained under the tories.
    Labour are cheap and nasty.

    Agreed. It is outrageous that the Labour party should seek to make the NHS an issue in this election.
    The NHS must be an Election issue my MP has asked me to do a piece on NHS finances since 2010 for his next leaflet drop.

    Lansley is a gift to LAB. 80% of Acute Hospitals in deficit. Hospitals only paid 30% of cost for additional A&E attendances. Better Care Fund syphoning £3.8 bn away from hospitals etc etc etc
    And a Labour Party prepared to lie shamelessly about their own record and the actual current figures as relate to the NHS.

    There are more doctors, more nurses and fewer administrators now than when Labour left office. But they put out leaflets claiming the opposite.

    Labour went into the last election with a pledge to maintain spending at (then) current levels. The coalition has increased spending. But Labour are putting out leaflets claiming cuts in NHS expenditure

    Labour when last in office welcomed the involvement of the private sector. Now they condemn it and want to drive it out with artificial profit capping and anti-business rhetoric

    Labour has cut NHS spending in Wales - but they deny any responsibility for that (even though Wales get more money to spend than England)

    Labour lies about the NHS.

    The NHS has serious problems - no doubt about it. But it is serving more people than at any other point in history with more expensive treatments and an ever-increasing demand on resources.

    Telling lies about the NHS is not the way to solve these problems. The NHS is not a weapon - it is vital part of the fabric of our country. Labour is fundamentally dishonest about it.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Alistair said:

    Scott_P said:

    Possibly the least horrible panel this year...

    @bbcquestiontime: Our #bbcqt panel this week: @trussliz, @vincecable, @Douglas4Paisley, @CarolineLucas & @timothy_stanley http://t.co/A4zwochNFH

    I predict a key topic will be how horrible the SNP are. Again.
    Any discussion of Scotland or the SNP should be immediately shut down due to purdah rules. Of course with Dimbleby in the chair, the likelihood of that is nil.
    Purdah? That applies to the Civil Service, not BBC TV programmes.

    What's the point of pedantry like that? You'd prefer people to type out "Short Campaign" every time. Purdah is used generally as a shorthand for the Short Campaign. You know this, I know this, pretty much anyone reading this thread knows this.
    Purdah is something very specific which relates to the conduct of the Civil Service during election campaigns. I should know, a detailed PDF was placed on our intranet just before the end of March.

    I don't recall any OfCom rules stating that Scottish matters may not be discussed during the Short Campaign unless a Scot is present.
    The OFCOM rules prevent discussion of a party's policy where that party is not present for a Right to Reply. As the SNP also form the Goverment of Scotland, this extends to any devolved matter.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''But they put out leaflets claiming the opposite.''

    It is up to the conservatives to call labour out on this. Not the rest of us
  • jayfdeejayfdee Posts: 618

    Dair said:

    Alistair said:

    Scott_P said:

    Possibly the least horrible panel this year...

    @bbcquestiontime: Our #bbcqt panel this week: @trussliz, @vincecable, @Douglas4Paisley, @CarolineLucas & @timothy_stanley http://t.co/A4zwochNFH


    Sarcasm is apparently the lowest form of wit. Even ranked below a TSE joke!
    But any attempt at wit is indeed an achievement.

  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    taffys said:

    ''But they put out leaflets claiming the opposite.''

    It is up to the conservatives to call labour out on this. Not the rest of us

    No - it is all of our responsibility to ensure those seeking our votes are not lying so obviously

    We have to hold candidates to account for the leaflets put out in their name.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,626

    Apparently, to establish the facts beyond reasonable doubt, it is sufficient simply to ask a politician, and take her word for it.

    ... or a French diplomat (a man sent to lie abroad for his country).

    Actually I think the likeliest is that Sturgeon said of course she was closer to the Labour Party's policies and if she had to choose would prefer a Labour government for the UK, but wasn't sure if Mili was up to the job of PM, and as the ruler of a "separate" country she might prefer to continue to negotiate with Cameron. A reasonable opinion, and one where the nuance got lost due to the difficulty of understanding that in French and incompetent minute-taking by a Scotland Office official.

  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,773
    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Alistair said:

    Scott_P said:

    Possibly the least horrible panel this year...

    @bbcquestiontime: Our #bbcqt panel this week: @trussliz, @vincecable, @Douglas4Paisley, @CarolineLucas & @timothy_stanley http://t.co/A4zwochNFH

    I predict a key topic will be how horrible the SNP are. Again.
    Any discussion of Scotland or the SNP should be immediately shut down due to purdah rules. Of course with Dimbleby in the chair, the likelihood of that is nil.
    Purdah? That applies to the Civil Service, not BBC TV programmes.

    What's the point of pedantry like that? You'd prefer people to type out "Short Campaign" every time. Purdah is used generally as a shorthand for the Short Campaign. You know this, I know this, pretty much anyone reading this thread knows this.
    Purdah is something very specific which relates to the conduct of the Civil Service during election campaigns. I should know, a detailed PDF was placed on our intranet just before the end of March.

    I don't recall any OfCom rules stating that Scottish matters may not be discussed during the Short Campaign unless a Scot is present.
    The OFCOM rules prevent discussion of a party's policy where that party is not present for a Right to Reply. As the SNP also form the Goverment of Scotland, this extends to any devolved matter.
    I'd like to see the exact wording as I can't imagine how that could work in practice.

    What happens when Andrew Marr interviews Ed Miliband? Is Miliband not allowed to talk about Conservative Party policies and what the Government has done?

    Sorry but I can't see how that could possibly make sense. There wouldn't be able to be any political interviews at all.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924

    They have also run a 'not working' style poster attacking the tories over the NHS. Pathetic the way they weaponise the NHS.
    You would never believe that in the last election Labour under Brown were saying in their manifesto that the level of NHS spending was good enough and that the NHS could afford a £20 billion efficiency drive. And that it was OK if some of that was achieved by contracting out to private companies. That level of real spending has been maintained under the tories.
    Labour are cheap and nasty.

    Agreed. It is outrageous that the Labour party should seek to make the NHS an issue in this election.
    The NHS must be an Election issue my MP has asked me to do a piece on NHS finances since 2010 for his next leaflet drop.

    Lansley is a gift to LAB. 80% of Acute Hospitals in deficit. Hospitals only paid 30% of cost for additional A&E attendances. Better Care Fund syphoning £3.8 bn away from hospitals etc etc etc
    And a Labour Party prepared to lie shamelessly about their own record and the actual current figures as relate to the NHS.

    There are more doctors, more nurses and fewer administrators now than when Labour left office. But they put out leaflets claiming the opposite.

    Labour went into the last election with a pledge to maintain spending at (then) current levels. The coalition has increased spending. But Labour are putting out leaflets claiming cuts in NHS expenditure

    Labour when last in office welcomed the involvement of the private sector. Now they condemn it and want to drive it out with artificial profit capping and anti-business rhetoric

    Labour has cut NHS spending in Wales - but they deny any responsibility for that (even though Wales get more money to spend than England)

    Labour lies about the NHS.

    The NHS has serious problems - no doubt about it. But it is serving more people than at any other point in history with more expensive treatments and an ever-increasing demand on resources.

    Telling lies about the NHS is not the way to solve these problems. The NHS is not a weapon - it is vital part of the fabric of our country. Labour is fundamentally dishonest about it.
    Well at least we agree it is vital part of the fabric of our country.

    As for the rest of your post utter Daily Mail clap trap.

    The voters know better than to trust the Tories on the NHS thankfully.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,369
    Dair said:


    Cook reported the Telegraph story and then reported the Sturgeon and French denials. That is not smearing, it is reporting. Do you have any proof that the document that the Telegraph reported on does not exist? No, you don't. In fact, it seems that all sides accept it does exist. Given that, Cook did exactly what he should have done. It's juyst that what he did was discomfiting for the SNP. Tough. That's democracy.

    It's not my job to fact check for the Telegraph. It's not my logical position to disprove a negative. It is for a journalist to demonstrate that any story they run is fact checked and accurately reflects the truth (it was an article not an editorial).

    Cook actually did the fact checking that the Telegraph failed to do. He had, by 11.30pm established from conversation with the French Consul that the story was not true. Despite this, despite his own good initial journalism, he then repeated the smear over and over. The claim should not have been mentioned without the caveat of "unsubstatiated" or "factually inaccurate". That's basic standards in journalism.

    He got the criticism he deserved for poor journalism.
    So a journalist is required to take any official at their word? ;)
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,626
    MikeL said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Alistair said:

    Scott_P said:

    Possibly the least horrible panel this year...

    @bbcquestiontime: Our #bbcqt panel this week: @trussliz, @vincecable, @Douglas4Paisley, @CarolineLucas & @timothy_stanley http://t.co/A4zwochNFH

    I predict a key topic will be how horrible the SNP are. Again.
    Any discussion of Scotland or the SNP should be immediately shut down due to purdah rules. Of course with Dimbleby in the chair, the likelihood of that is nil.
    Purdah? That applies to the Civil Service, not BBC TV programmes.

    What's the point of pedantry like that? You'd prefer people to type out "Short Campaign" every time. Purdah is used generally as a shorthand for the Short Campaign. You know this, I know this, pretty much anyone reading this thread knows this.
    Purdah is something very specific which relates to the conduct of the Civil Service during election campaigns. I should know, a detailed PDF was placed on our intranet just before the end of March.

    I don't recall any OfCom rules stating that Scottish matters may not be discussed during the Short Campaign unless a Scot is present.
    The OFCOM rules prevent discussion of a party's policy where that party is not present for a Right to Reply. As the SNP also form the Goverment of Scotland, this extends to any devolved matter.
    I'd like to see the exact wording as I can't imagine how that could work in practice.

    What happens when Andrew Marr interviews Ed Miliband? Is Miliband not allowed to talk about Conservative Party policies and what the Government has done?

    Sorry but I can't see how that could possibly make sense. There wouldn't be able to be any political interviews at all.
    I'm fairly sure it's overall balance, I am sure there will be a Snat on QT next week to provide that.

  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Got a Tory leaflet in Sefton C today.

    Just a name and a face, a woman, no bio whatsoever...
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    edited April 2015




    Instead of smearing, how about a proper rebuttal? No? Labour hasn't moved on from McBride has it?
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,730
    edited April 2015
    I note that at 25/1, I can back Labour to win 326 seats in the House of Commons.

    Alternatively, at 25/1, I can back Labour to win Fylde, where in 2010 they were in third place, 33 points behind, and where the last non-Conservative MP was the 8th Duke of Devonshire, elected in 1865 for the two-member constituency of North Lancashire, comprising everything in that county above Wigan and Heywood.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924

    Tories accuse Labour of orchestrating 'stitch up' letter from doctors

    The Conservatives obtain a copy of a letter from doctors which they say is evidence that Labour is trying to 'weaponise' the NHS

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11520007/Tories-accuse-Labour-of-orchestrating-stitch-up-letter-from-doctors.html

    They have also run a 'not working' style poster attacking the tories over the NHS. Pathetic the way they weaponise the NHS.
    You would never believe that in the last election Labour under Brown were saying in their manifesto that the level of NHS spending was good enough and that the NHS could afford a £20 billion efficiency drive. And that it was OK if some of that was achieved by contracting out to private companies. That level of real spending has been maintained under the tories.
    Labour are cheap and nasty.

    Agreed. It is outrageous that the Labour party should seek to make the NHS an issue in this election.
    The NHS must be an Election issue my MP has asked me to do a piece on NHS finances since 2010 for his next leaflet drop.

    Lansley is a gift to LAB. 80% of Acute Hospitals in deficit. Hospitals only paid 30% of cost for additional A&E attendances. Better Care Fund syphoning £3.8 bn away from hospitals etc etc etc
    It might help if politicians attended to most people's experience on the NHS; GP services and the other day by day services.
    Most people have little or no experience of A&E.
    GP appointments harder to get is most people's experience on the NHS in Chesterfield apparently
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    They have also run a 'not working' style poster attacking the tories over the NHS. Pathetic the way they weaponise the NHS.
    You would never believe that in the last election Labour under Brown were saying in their manifesto that the level of NHS spending was good enough and that the NHS could afford a £20 billion efficiency drive. And that it was OK if some of that was achieved by contracting out to private companies. That level of real spending has been maintained under the tories.
    Labour are cheap and nasty.

    Ar party should seek to make the NHS an issue in this election.
    The NHS must be an Election issue my MP has asked me to do a piece on NHS finances since 2010 for his next leaflet drop.

    Lansley is a gift to LAB. 80% of Acute Hospitals in deficit. Hospitals only paid 30% of cost for additional A&E attendances. Better Care Fund syphoning £3.8 bn away from hospitals etc etc etc
    And a Labour Party prepared to lie shamelessly about their own record and the actual current figures as relate to the NHS.

    There are more doctors, more nurses and fewer administrators now than when Labour left office. But they put out leaflets claiming the opposite.

    Labour went into the last election with a pledge to maintain spending at (then) current levels. The coalition has increased spending. But Labour are putting out leaflets claiming cuts in NHS expenditure

    Labour when last in office welcomed the involvement of the private sector. Now they condemn it and want to drive it out with artificial profit capping and anti-business rhetoric

    Labour has cut NHS spending in Wales - but they deny any responsibility for that (even though Wales get more money to spend than England)

    Labour lies about the NHS.

    The NHS has serious problems - no doubt about it. But it is serving more people than at any other point in history with more expensive treatments and an ever-increasing demand on resources.

    Telling lies about the NHS is not the way to solve these problems. The NHS is not a weapon - it is vital part of the fabric of our country. Labour is fundamentally dishonest about it.
    Well at least we agree it is vital part of the fabric of our country.

    As for the rest of your post utter Daily Mail clap trap.

    The voters know better than to trust the Tories on the NHS thankfully.
    Just out of interest what is the tory equivalent of Mid Staffs?

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    edited April 2015

    taffys said:

    ''But they put out leaflets claiming the opposite.''

    It is up to the conservatives to call labour out on this. Not the rest of us

    No - it is all of our responsibility to ensure those seeking our votes are not lying so obviously

    We have to hold candidates to account for the leaflets put out in their name.
    No lies in my piece. Struggled to keep it to 200 words TBH.

    Think you are overlooking the big NHS no top down reorganisation lie from Dave

  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,773

    MikeL said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Alistair said:

    Scott_P said:

    Possibly the least horrible panel this year...

    @bbcquestiontime: Our #bbcqt panel this week: @trussliz, @vincecable, @Douglas4Paisley, @CarolineLucas & @timothy_stanley http://t.co/A4zwochNFH

    I predict a key topic will be how horrible the SNP are. Again.
    Any discussion of Scotland or the SNP should be immediately shut down due to purdah rules. Of course with Dimbleby in the chair, the likelihood of that is nil.
    Purdah? That applies to the Civil Service, not BBC TV programmes.

    What's the point of pedantry like that? You'd prefer people to type out "Short Campaign" every time. Purdah is used generally as a shorthand for the Short Campaign. You know this, I know this, pretty much anyone reading this thread knows this.
    Purdah is something very specific which relates to the conduct of the Civil Service during election campaigns. I should know, a detailed PDF was placed on our intranet just before the end of March.

    I don't recall any OfCom rules stating that Scottish matters may not be discussed during the Short Campaign unless a Scot is present.
    The OFCOM rules prevent discussion of a party's policy where that party is not present for a Right to Reply. As the SNP also form the Goverment of Scotland, this extends to any devolved matter.
    I'd like to see the exact wording as I can't imagine how that could work in practice.

    What happens when Andrew Marr interviews Ed Miliband? Is Miliband not allowed to talk about Conservative Party policies and what the Government has done?

    Sorry but I can't see how that could possibly make sense. There wouldn't be able to be any political interviews at all.
    I'm fairly sure it's overall balance, I am sure there will be a Snat on QT next week to provide that.

    Indeed - I am sure that is the rule - it cannot possibly apply to every separate individual programme - otherwise nobody could ever be interviewed on their own.

    As you say, re BBC1 QT - they achieve an overall balance of guests over the entire series of programmes.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,626

    MikeL said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Alistair said:

    Scott_P said:

    Possibly the least horrible panel this year...

    @bbcquestiontime: Our #bbcqt panel this week: @trussliz, @vincecable, @Douglas4Paisley, @CarolineLucas & @timothy_stanley http://t.co/A4zwochNFH

    I predict a key topic will be how horrible the SNP are. Again.
    Any discussion of Scotland or the SNP should be immediately shut down due to purdah rules. Of course with Dimbleby in the chair, the likelihood of that is nil.
    Purdah? That applies to the Civil Service, not BBC TV programmes.

    What's the point of pedantry like that? You'd prefer people to type out "Short Campaign" every time. Purdah is used generally as a shorthand for the Short Campaign. You know this, I know this, pretty much anyone reading this thread knows this.
    Purdah is something very specific which relates to the conduct of the Civil Service during election campaigns. I should know, a detailed PDF was placed on our intranet just before the end of March.

    I don't recall any OfCom rules stating that Scottish matters may not be discussed during the Short Campaign unless a Scot is present.
    The OFCOM rules prevent discussion of a party's policy where that party is not present for a Right to Reply. As the SNP also form the Goverment of Scotland, this extends to any devolved matter.
    I'd like to see the exact wording as I can't imagine how that could work in practice.

    What happens when Andrew Marr interviews Ed Miliband? Is Miliband not allowed to talk about Conservative Party policies and what the Government has done?

    Sorry but I can't see how that could possibly make sense. There wouldn't be able to be any political interviews at all.
    I'm fairly sure it's overall balance, I am sure there will be a Snat on QT next week to provide that.

    In fact Theresa May and John Humphreys were happily discussing Labour tax policy on the Today programme this morning.

  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,845

    Tories accuse Labour of orchestrating 'stitch up' letter from doctors

    The Conservatives obtain a copy of a letter from doctors which they say is evidence that Labour is trying to 'weaponise' the NHS

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11520007/Tories-accuse-Labour-of-orchestrating-stitch-up-letter-from-doctors.html

    They have also run a 'not working' style poster attacking the tories over the NHS. Pathetic the way they weaponise the NHS.
    You would never believe that in the last election Labour under Brown were saying in their manifesto that the level of NHS spending was good enough and that the NHS could afford a £20 billion efficiency drive. And that it was OK if some of that was achieved by contracting out to private companies. That level of real spending has been maintained under the tories.
    Labour are cheap and nasty.

    Agreed. It is outrageous that the Labour party should seek to make the NHS an issue in this election.
    The NHS must be an Election issue my MP has asked me to do a piece on NHS finances since 2010 for his next leaflet drop.

    Lansley is a gift to LAB. 80% of Acute Hospitals in deficit. Hospitals only paid 30% of cost for additional A&E attendances. Better Care Fund syphoning £3.8 bn away from hospitals etc etc etc
    It might help if politicians attended to most people's experience on the NHS; GP services and the other day by day services.
    Most people have little or no experience of A&E.
    GP appointments harder to get is most people's experience on the NHS in Chesterfield apparently
    Public satisfaction with the NHS has increased over the last 5 years. But don't let that fact worry you.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,164
    edited April 2015
    OKC Indeed, there will be a 2 year countdown to 2017 if it happens. Labour leadership or Tory or LD leadership campaigns are also likely depending on the loser. (I should also have added Spain's election is due at the end of the year too, the impact of Podemos will be interesting)
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    STV debate so far, will Bernard let the candidates get a word in?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Tories accuse Labour of orchestrating 'stitch up' letter from doctors

    The Conservatives obtain a copy of a letter from doctors which they say is evidence that Labour is trying to 'weaponise' the NHS

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11520007/Tories-accuse-Labour-of-orchestrating-stitch-up-letter-from-doctors.html

    They have also run a 'not working' style poster attacking the tories over the NHS. Pathetic the way they weaponise the NHS.
    You would never believe that in the last election Labour under Brown were saying in their manifesto that the level of NHS spending was good enough and that the NHS could afford a £20 billion efficiency drive. And that it was OK if some of that was achieved by contracting out to private companies. That level of real spending has been maintained under the tories.
    Labour are cheap and nasty.

    Agreed. It is outrageous that the Labour party should seek to make the NHS an issue in this election.
    The NHS must be an Election issue my MP has asked me to do a piece on NHS finances since 2010 for his next leaflet drop.

    Lansley is a gift to LAB. 80% of Acute Hospitals in deficit. Hospitals only paid 30% of cost for additional A&E attendances. Better Care Fund syphoning £3.8 bn away from hospitals etc etc etc
    It might help if politicians attended to most people's experience on the NHS; GP services and the other day by day services.
    Most people have little or no experience of A&E.
    GP appointments harder to get is most people's experience on the NHS in Chesterfield apparently
    Where are the 8000 extra GPs that Ed has promised going to come from? At the moment local practices struggle to find anyone suitable.

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