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  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    The moderator in the STV Scottish debate has just prefaced his first question to Ruth Davidson by mentioning Thatcher. Not sure what somebody who was PM 25 years ago has to do with this election
  • Eh_ehm_a_ehEh_ehm_a_eh Posts: 552
    RobD said:

    Dair said:


    Cook reported the Telegraph story and then reported the Sturgeon and French denials. That is not smearing, it is reporting. Do you have any proof that the document that the Telegraph reported on does not exist? No, you don't. In fact, it seems that all sides accept it does exist. Given that, Cook did exactly what he should have done. It's juyst that what he did was discomfiting for the SNP. Tough. That's democracy.

    It's not my job to fact check for the Telegraph. It's not my logical position to disprove a negative. It is for a journalist to demonstrate that any story they run is fact checked and accurately reflects the truth (it was an article not an editorial).

    Cook actually did the fact checking that the Telegraph failed to do. He had, by 11.30pm established from conversation with the French Consul that the story was not true. Despite this, despite his own good initial journalism, he then repeated the smear over and over. The claim should not have been mentioned without the caveat of "unsubstatiated" or "factually inaccurate". That's basic standards in journalism.

    He got the criticism he deserved for poor journalism.
    So a journalist is required to take any official at their word? ;)
    A Telegraph journo took an official at their word when reporting on the memo.

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924

    Tories accuse Labour of orchestrating 'stitch up' letter from doctors

    The Conservatives obtain a copy of a letter from doctors which they say is evidence that Labour is trying to 'weaponise' the NHS

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11520007/Tories-accuse-Labour-of-orchestrating-stitch-up-letter-from-doctors.html

    They have also run a 'not working' style poster attacking the tories over the NHS. Pathetic the way they weaponise the NHS.
    You would never believe that in the last election Labour under Brown were saying in their manifesto that the level of NHS spending was good enough and that the NHS could afford a £20 billion efficiency drive. And that it was OK if some of that was achieved by contracting out to private companies. That level of real spending has been maintained under the tories.
    Labour are cheap and nasty.

    Agreed. It is outrageous that the Labour party should seek to make the NHS an issue in this election.
    The NHS must be an Election issue my MP has asked me to do a piece on NHS finances since 2010 for his next leaflet drop.

    Lansley is a gift to LAB. 80% of Acute Hospitals in deficit. Hospitals only paid 30% of cost for additional A&E attendances. Better Care Fund syphoning £3.8 bn away from hospitals etc etc etc
    It might help if politicians attended to most people's experience on the NHS; GP services and the other day by day services.
    Most people have little or no experience of A&E.
    GP appointments harder to get is most people's experience on the NHS in Chesterfield apparently
    Public satisfaction with the NHS has increased over the last 5 years. But don't let that fact worry you.
    No it hasn't. Satisfaction levels with A&E and GP access both down on 2010
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,773
    Scott_P said:

    STV debate so far, will Bernard let the candidates get a word in?

    Any way of watching in England?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,369
    edited April 2015

    RobD said:

    Dair said:


    Cook reported the Telegraph story and then reported the Sturgeon and French denials. That is not smearing, it is reporting. Do you have any proof that the document that the Telegraph reported on does not exist? No, you don't. In fact, it seems that all sides accept it does exist. Given that, Cook did exactly what he should have done. It's juyst that what he did was discomfiting for the SNP. Tough. That's democracy.

    It's not my job to fact check for the Telegraph. It's not my logical position to disprove a negative. It is for a journalist to demonstrate that any story they run is fact checked and accurately reflects the truth (it was an article not an editorial).

    Cook actually did the fact checking that the Telegraph failed to do. He had, by 11.30pm established from conversation with the French Consul that the story was not true. Despite this, despite his own good initial journalism, he then repeated the smear over and over. The claim should not have been mentioned without the caveat of "unsubstatiated" or "factually inaccurate". That's basic standards in journalism.

    He got the criticism he deserved for poor journalism.
    So a journalist is required to take any official at their word? ;)
    A Telegraph journo took an official at their word when reporting on the memo.

    Do you believe an official when they are writing it down in the first instance, or denying it in the second? And not to mention the fact that the memo was intended to be secret.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JGForsyth: Tory Central Office will be loving this Sturgeon performance as she declares that SNP MPs will ensure that Labour increase, not cut spending
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,626

    Tories accuse Labour of orchestrating 'stitch up' letter from doctors

    The Conservatives obtain a copy of a letter from doctors which they say is evidence that Labour is trying to 'weaponise' the NHS

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11520007/Tories-accuse-Labour-of-orchestrating-stitch-up-letter-from-doctors.html

    They have also run a 'not working' style poster attacking the tories over the NHS. Pathetic the way they weaponise the NHS.
    You would never believe that in the last election Labour under Brown were saying in their manifesto that the level of NHS spending was good enough and that the NHS could afford a £20 billion efficiency drive. And that it was OK if some of that was achieved by contracting out to private companies. That level of real spending has been maintained under the tories.
    Labour are cheap and nasty.

    Agreed. It is outrageous that the Labour party should seek to make the NHS an issue in this election.
    The NHS must be an Election issue my MP has asked me to do a piece on NHS finances since 2010 for his next leaflet drop.

    Lansley is a gift to LAB. 80% of Acute Hospitals in deficit. Hospitals only paid 30% of cost for additional A&E attendances. Better Care Fund syphoning £3.8 bn away from hospitals etc etc etc
    It might help if politicians attended to most people's experience on the NHS; GP services and the other day by day services.
    Most people have little or no experience of A&E.
    GP appointments harder to get is most people's experience on the NHS in Chesterfield apparently
    Public satisfaction with the NHS has increased over the last 5 years. But don't let that fact worry you.
    No it hasn't. Satisfaction levels with A&E and GP access both down on 2010
    That's not satisfaction with the NHS, is it? It's satisfaction with two bits of it, carefully chosen by yourself to support your argument.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    MikeL said:

    Scott_P said:

    STV debate so far, will Bernard let the candidates get a word in?

    Any way of watching in England?
    STV Player
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,121

    Tories accuse Labour of orchestrating 'stitch up' letter from doctors

    The Conservatives obtain a copy of a letter from doctors which they say is evidence that Labour is trying to 'weaponise' the NHS

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11520007/Tories-accuse-Labour-of-orchestrating-stitch-up-letter-from-doctors.html

    They have also run a 'not working' style poster attacking the tories over the NHS. Pathetic the way they weaponise the NHS.
    You would never believe that in the last election Labour under Brown were saying in their manifesto that the level of NHS spending was good enough and that the NHS could afford a £20 billion efficiency drive. And that it was OK if some of that was achieved by contracting out to private companies. That level of real spending has been maintained under the tories.
    Labour are cheap and nasty.

    Agreed. It is outrageous that the Labour party should seek to make the NHS an issue in this election.
    The NHS must be an Election issue my MP has asked me to do a piece on NHS finances since 2010 for his next leaflet drop.

    Lansley is a gift to LAB. 80% of Acute Hospitals in deficit. Hospitals only paid 30% of cost for additional A&E attendances. Better Care Fund syphoning £3.8 bn away from hospitals etc etc etc
    It might help if politicians attended to most people's experience on the NHS; GP services and the other day by day services.
    Most people have little or no experience of A&E.
    GP appointments harder to get is most people's experience on the NHS in Chesterfield apparently
    Where are the 8000 extra GPs that Ed has promised going to come from? At the moment local practices struggle to find anyone suitable.

    From the magic fairy tree that'll produce 24/7 hour care too.

  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Off topic, but my area of Hungary has a bout of by-election fever. Hard on the heels of a by-election defeat in Veszprém, the large town about ten miles north east from me, that cost Fidesz its supermajority in parliament, there is now a by-election in Tapolca, a rural constituency that starts about five miles to the west of me. There are posters everywhere and all the parties seem to be going for it (to my surprise, because I would have thought this prosperous rural area was a Fidesz stronghold even in very poor times).

    The government is leaving nothing to chance:

    http://www.politics.hu/20150406/govt-promises-billions-for-tapolca-hospital-days-before-local-by-election/

    Pork barrel is an international language spoken by more politicians than Esperanto.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Tories accuse Labour of orchestrating 'stitch up' letter from doctors

    The Conservatives obtain a copy of a letter from doctors which they say is evidence that Labour is trying to 'weaponise' the NHS

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11520007/Tories-accuse-Labour-of-orchestrating-stitch-up-letter-from-doctors.html

    They have also run a 'not working' style poster attacking the tories over the NHS. Pathetic the way they weaponise the NHS.
    You would never believe that in the last election Labour under Brown were saying in their manifesto that the level of NHS spending was good enough and that the NHS could afford a £20 billion efficiency drive. And that it was OK if some of that was achieved by contracting out to private companies. That level of real spending has been maintained under the tories.
    Labour are cheap and nasty.

    Agreed. It is outrageous that the Labour party should seek to make the NHS an issue in this election.
    The NHS must be an Election issue my MP has asked me to do a piece on NHS finances since 2010 for his next leaflet drop.

    Lansley is a gift to LAB. 80% of Acute Hospitals in deficit. Hospitals only paid 30% of cost for additional A&E attendances. Better Care Fund syphoning £3.8 bn away from hospitals etc etc etc
    Hang on! NHS budgets have been ringfenced by the Coalition (sometbing Brown would not agree to) the 30% tariff dates from before the 2010 election and the BCT fund is just the sort of health and social care integration that Burnham espouses!

    But never let the truth get in the way of weaponising the NHS...
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    Overall, satisfaction with the way the NHS across Britain runs nowadays fell by 12 percentage points from 70 per cent in 2010 to 58 per in 2011 and back up to 65% two weeks ago.

    Record high satisfaction 2010 under Lab
  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    So before debating policy we get an argument about who they will work with in a hung parliament. Really? Don't we want to hear why we should vote for them first.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @iainmartin1: First 20 minutes of this #ScotDebates has been about polls and post-election deals. Any policy or ideas stuff planned? @WeAreSTV
  • Eh_ehm_a_ehEh_ehm_a_eh Posts: 552
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Dair said:


    Cook reported the Telegraph story and then reported the Sturgeon and French denials. That is not smearing, it is reporting. Do you have any proof that the document that the Telegraph reported on does not exist? No, you don't. In fact, it seems that all sides accept it does exist. Given that, Cook did exactly what he should have done. It's juyst that what he did was discomfiting for the SNP. Tough. That's democracy.

    It's not my job to fact check for the Telegraph. It's not my logical position to disprove a negative. It is for a journalist to demonstrate that any story they run is fact checked and accurately reflects the truth (it was an article not an editorial).

    Cook actually did the fact checking that the Telegraph failed to do. He had, by 11.30pm established from conversation with the French Consul that the story was not true. Despite this, despite his own good initial journalism, he then repeated the smear over and over. The claim should not have been mentioned without the caveat of "unsubstatiated" or "factually inaccurate". That's basic standards in journalism.

    He got the criticism he deserved for poor journalism.
    So a journalist is required to take any official at their word? ;)
    A Telegraph journo took an official at their word when reporting on the memo.

    Do you believe an official when they are writing it down in the first instance, or denying it in the second? And not to mention the fact that the memo was intended to be secret.
    You've gone all Vicky Pollard. Yehbut nobut yebut.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    Overall, satisfaction with the way the NHS across Britain runs nowadays fell by 12 percentage points from 70 per cent in 2010 to 58 per in 2011 and back up to 65% two weeks ago.

    Record high satisfaction 2010 under Lab

    That's linked to political bias. Read the analysis by Natcen properly.


  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,369

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Dair said:


    Cook reported the Telegraph story and then reported the Sturgeon and French denials. That is not smearing, it is reporting. Do you have any proof that the document that the Telegraph reported on does not exist? No, you don't. In fact, it seems that all sides accept it does exist. Given that, Cook did exactly what he should have done. It's juyst that what he did was discomfiting for the SNP. Tough. That's democracy.

    It's not my job to fact check for the Telegraph. It's not my logical position to disprove a negative. It is for a journalist to demonstrate that any story they run is fact checked and accurately reflects the truth (it was an article not an editorial).

    Cook actually did the fact checking that the Telegraph failed to do. He had, by 11.30pm established from conversation with the French Consul that the story was not true. Despite this, despite his own good initial journalism, he then repeated the smear over and over. The claim should not have been mentioned without the caveat of "unsubstatiated" or "factually inaccurate". That's basic standards in journalism.

    He got the criticism he deserved for poor journalism.
    So a journalist is required to take any official at their word? ;)
    A Telegraph journo took an official at their word when reporting on the memo.

    Do you believe an official when they are writing it down in the first instance, or denying it in the second? And not to mention the fact that the memo was intended to be secret.
    You've gone all Vicky Pollard. Yehbut nobut yebut.
    I'm sure officials are much more candid when they think the minutes of their meetings are to be kept secret. Hence why they are kept secret!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @iainmartin1: Good grief. @RuthDavidsonMSP goes off CCHQ script and actually starts attacking the SNP! #ScotDebates

    @EdwardDebi: Applause for Davidson as she asks Sturgeon how long her shopping list will get before May 7th and if it will contravene #indyref vote
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,773
    Scott_P said:

    MikeL said:

    Scott_P said:

    STV debate so far, will Bernard let the candidates get a word in?

    Any way of watching in England?
    STV Player
    Thanks.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,369
    MikeL said:

    Scott_P said:

    MikeL said:

    Scott_P said:

    STV debate so far, will Bernard let the candidates get a word in?

    Any way of watching in England?
    STV Player
    Thanks.
    Any way of watching it after the fact?
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,121

    taffys said:

    ''But they put out leaflets claiming the opposite.''

    It is up to the conservatives to call labour out on this. Not the rest of us

    No - it is all of our responsibility to ensure those seeking our votes are not lying so obviously

    We have to hold candidates to account for the leaflets put out in their name.
    No lies in my piece. Struggled to keep it to 200 words TBH.

    Think you are overlooking the big NHS no top down reorganisation lie from Dave

    I still find it completely incomprehensible that the Tories even considered this reform of healthcare. The PCT's were working relatively well- they were pretty much a continuation of Tory reforms anyway, and provided a local accountability. And regional health authorities could lean on PCT's if things weren't going well. IE There was accountability up the line.

    Out of all the things the Tories have done- and some have been very stupid (i.e. killing badgers and the bedroom tax), the healthcare act was mind bogglingly stupid. No gain, only pain and electorally disadvantageous.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @foxinsoxuk

    Not in the upper leagues, or just a dissenter?

    "NHS
    More than 100 top doctors attack government record on NHS "
    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/apr/07/more-than-100-top-doctors-attack-government-record-on-nhs
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924

    Tories accuse Labour of orchestrating 'stitch up' letter from doctors

    The Conservatives obtain a copy of a letter from doctors which they say is evidence that Labour is trying to 'weaponise' the NHS

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11520007/Tories-accuse-Labour-of-orchestrating-stitch-up-letter-from-doctors.html

    They have also run a 'not working' style poster attacking the tories over the NHS. Pathetic the way they weaponise the NHS.
    You would never believe that in the last election Labour under Brown were saying in their manifesto that the level of NHS spending was good enough and that the NHS could afford a £20 billion efficiency drive. And that it was OK if some of that was achieved by contracting out to private companies. That level of real spending has been maintained under the tories.
    Labour are cheap and nasty.

    Agreed. It is outrageous that the Labour party should seek to make the NHS an issue in this election.
    The NHS must be an Election issue my MP has asked me to do a piece on NHS finances since 2010 for his next leaflet drop.

    Lansley is a gift to LAB. 80% of Acute Hospitals in deficit. Hospitals only paid 30% of cost for additional A&E attendances. Better Care Fund syphoning £3.8 bn away from hospitals etc etc etc
    Hang on! NHS budgets have been ringfenced by the Coalition (sometbing Brown would not agree to) the 30% tariff dates from before the 2010 election and the BCT fund is just the sort of health and social care integration that Burnham espouses!

    But never let the truth get in the way of weaponising the NHS...
    You work in an Acute Trust if you do not know how your finances have faired since 2010 I suggest you go speak to your DOF.

    The BCF is not ring fenced I had a council commissioner openly bragging they were regard it as the "pot hole fund" and telling us they taking 25% of it to spend outside of H&SC
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    RobD said:

    MikeL said:

    Scott_P said:

    MikeL said:

    Scott_P said:

    STV debate so far, will Bernard let the candidates get a word in?

    Any way of watching in England?
    STV Player
    Thanks.
    Any way of watching it after the fact?
    STV player again I think. It expect it will stay on the site for a few days
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806

    Tories accuse Labour of orchestrating 'stitch up' letter from doctors

    The Conservatives obtain a copy of a letter from doctors which they say is evidence that Labour is trying to 'weaponise' the NHS

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11520007/Tories-accuse-Labour-of-orchestrating-stitch-up-letter-from-doctors.html

    They have also run a 'not working' style poster attacking the tories over the NHS. Pathetic the way they weaponise the NHS.
    You would never believe that in the last election Labour under Brown were saying in their manifesto that the level of NHS spending was good enough and that the NHS could afford a £20 billion efficiency drive. And that it was OK if some of that was achieved by contracting out to private companies. That level of real spending has been maintained under the tories.
    Labour are cheap and nasty.

    Agreed. It is outrageous that the Labour party should seek to make the NHS an issue in this election.
    The NHS must be an Election issue my MP has asked me to do a piece on NHS finances since 2010 for his next leaflet drop.

    Lansley is a gift to LAB. 80% of Acute Hospitals in deficit. Hospitals only paid 30% of cost for additional A&E attendances. Better Care Fund syphoning £3.8 bn away from hospitals etc etc etc
    It might help if politicians attended to most people's experience on the NHS; GP services and the other day by day services.
    Most people have little or no experience of A&E.
    GP appointments harder to get is most people's experience on the NHS in Chesterfield apparently
    Maybe too many Labour voters in chesterfield is why GPs don't like to work there?

  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,497
    If I lived in Rochdale I'd vote Tory or even UKIP. Well maybe not UKIP.....
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    tyson said:

    taffys said:

    ''But they put out leaflets claiming the opposite.''

    It is up to the conservatives to call labour out on this. Not the rest of us

    No - it is all of our responsibility to ensure those seeking our votes are not lying so obviously

    We have to hold candidates to account for the leaflets put out in their name.
    No lies in my piece. Struggled to keep it to 200 words TBH.

    Think you are overlooking the big NHS no top down reorganisation lie from Dave

    I still find it completely incomprehensible that the Tories even considered this reform of healthcare. The PCT's were working relatively well- they were pretty much a continuation of Tory reforms anyway, and provided a local accountability. And regional health authorities could lean on PCT's if things weren't going well. IE There was accountability up the line.

    Out of all the things the Tories have done- and some have been very stupid (i.e. killing badgers and the bedroom tax), the healthcare act was mind bogglingly stupid. No gain, only pain and electorally disadvantageous.
    Me too.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,369
    Scott_P said:

    RobD said:

    MikeL said:

    Scott_P said:

    MikeL said:

    Scott_P said:

    STV debate so far, will Bernard let the candidates get a word in?

    Any way of watching in England?
    STV Player
    Thanks.
    Any way of watching it after the fact?
    STV player again I think. It expect it will stay on the site for a few days
    Excellent, thanks. I think I still have an account from Indy ref days.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @iainmartin1: Poor start from Sturgeon tonight. #ScotDebates

    Actually just that the audience is not 100% Nats. Large round of applause for audience member criticising Nicola for talking over other candidates
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Ruth Davidson

    What a gal!
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Scott_P said:

    RobD said:

    MikeL said:

    Scott_P said:

    MikeL said:

    Scott_P said:

    STV debate so far, will Bernard let the candidates get a word in?

    Any way of watching in England?
    STV Player
    Thanks.
    Any way of watching it after the fact?
    STV player again I think. It expect it will stay on the site for a few days
    Yes I have just signed up to STV ;-)



  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    edited April 2015
    chestnut said:

    Overall, satisfaction with the way the NHS across Britain runs nowadays fell by 12 percentage points from 70 per cent in 2010 to 58 per in 2011 and back up to 65% two weeks ago.

    Record high satisfaction 2010 under Lab

    That's linked to political bias. Read the analysis by Natcen properly.


    Overall satisfaction was 70% it has now recovered to 65% in March 2015

    GP access satisfaction getting worse though.

    Source Kings Fund
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    I feel a Scottish tory surge coming on!!
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    The audience seems a bit pro-Tory to me, well they're the only ones making themselves heard.
  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    First question from audience is regarding NHS something that is totally devolved. Did they not vet the questions beforehand?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,369

    chestnut said:

    Overall, satisfaction with the way the NHS across Britain runs nowadays fell by 12 percentage points from 70 per cent in 2010 to 58 per in 2011 and back up to 65% two weeks ago.

    Record high satisfaction 2010 under Lab

    That's linked to political bias. Read the analysis by Natcen properly.


    Overall satisfaction was 70% it has now recovered to 65% in March 2015

    GP access satisfaction getting worse though.

    Source Kings Fund
    Hope your Mum was among the satisfied. Hope she is on the mend!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @EdwardDebi: Davidson: I will fight head heart body and soul to honour #indyref vote and will not do any deal with a party that wants to break the Union
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    taffys said:

    Ruth Davidson

    What a gal!

    She is impressive I agree
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,369
    taffys said:

    I feel a Scottish tory surge coming on!!

    I'll distribute the smelling salts. Someone alert Edinburgh zoo.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    Scott_P said:

    @EdwardDebi: Davidson: I will fight head heart body and soul to honour #indyref vote and will not do any deal with a party that wants to break the Union

    Typical unionist. Fighting indyref all over again when we have a Westminster general election.

  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''I'll distribute the smelling salts...''

    Its Brigadoon.....its Briga -bloody - doon....
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,626

    Overall, satisfaction with the way the NHS across Britain runs nowadays fell by 12 percentage points from 70 per cent in 2010 to 58 per in 2011 and back up to 65% two weeks ago.

    Record high satisfaction 2010 under Lab

    ... and dropped by 12 points in the first year after the election that will have more to do with the policies of the old government than the new.

    How about figures on satisfaction with service and outcomes, the two things I am interested in as a patient, rather than "the way it is run"?

  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Roger said:

    If I lived in Rochdale I'd vote Tory or even UKIP. Well maybe not UKIP.....

    Oh, Roger, you've let me down.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    RobD said:

    taffys said:

    I feel a Scottish tory surge coming on!!

    I'll distribute the smelling salts. Someone alert Edinburgh zoo.
    The panda's already had AI, just in case (all those postal votes, and Tory party leaders mysteriously getting to know what they said early).

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    RobD said:

    chestnut said:

    Overall, satisfaction with the way the NHS across Britain runs nowadays fell by 12 percentage points from 70 per cent in 2010 to 58 per in 2011 and back up to 65% two weeks ago.

    Record high satisfaction 2010 under Lab

    That's linked to political bias. Read the analysis by Natcen properly.


    Overall satisfaction was 70% it has now recovered to 65% in March 2015

    GP access satisfaction getting worse though.

    Source Kings Fund
    Hope your Mum was among the satisfied. Hope she is on the mend!
    Thanks Rob she was indeed satisfied although she got VIP treatment as I was at her side!

    I have taken her for her stitches out today back to fracture clinic next week and hopefully well enough to go home end of next week.
  • NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,329
    Oxfordsimon - Yet another do as I say not as I do from Labour

    Then 2010 - Labour "Current levels of spending are sufficient, and spending not protected"
    Now 2015 - "spending has been insufficient even though it has increased"

    In government - mid staffs crisis
    Out of government - record satisfaction with NHS

    Labour's weaponisation of the NHS would be sad if it were not so blantantly dishonest.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    MikeK said:

    Roger said:

    If I lived in Rochdale I'd vote Tory or even UKIP. Well maybe not UKIP.....

    Oh, Roger, you've let me down.
    I too would not vote LAB in Rochdale
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    WTF 90% of the audience applauding the re-entrance of Creepy Jim.

    Comical audience selection. STV overcompensating for criticism at Indyref?
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    AVE IT FIRST ELECTION PROJECTION!!!

    Now that it is one month to go, Ave It provides the first of his regular projections as we head to GE2015!

    Headlines:
    CON ahead!
    CON cert to win popular vote!
    LAB gaining in London but not much else!
    LD holding on in key seats!
    SNP heading for more disappointment after #indyref14!
    CAMO soon to be pals with attention seeking minor parties again!

    The projection:
    CON 310
    LAB 262
    LD 32
    SNP 23
    PC 3
    GRN 1
    UKIP 1
    NI 18

    CON short by 15!

    #aveit #cheerioed #lolsturgeon
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,369

    RobD said:

    chestnut said:

    Overall, satisfaction with the way the NHS across Britain runs nowadays fell by 12 percentage points from 70 per cent in 2010 to 58 per in 2011 and back up to 65% two weeks ago.

    Record high satisfaction 2010 under Lab

    That's linked to political bias. Read the analysis by Natcen properly.


    Overall satisfaction was 70% it has now recovered to 65% in March 2015

    GP access satisfaction getting worse though.

    Source Kings Fund
    Hope your Mum was among the satisfied. Hope she is on the mend!
    Thanks Rob she was indeed satisfied although she got VIP treatment as I was at her side!

    I have taken her for her stitches out today back to fracture clinic next week and hopefully well enough to go home end of next week.
    Excellent, good to hear!
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Smarmeron said:

    @foxinsoxuk

    Not in the upper leagues, or just a dissenter?

    "NHS
    More than 100 top doctors attack government record on NHS "
    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/apr/07/more-than-100-top-doctors-attack-government-record-on-nhs

    I have always been a dissenter! I do know a few on the list. Some are the usual suspects (Allyson Pollack wrote NHS Plc about the privatisation of the NHS under the last Labour Government) others I have great respect for including Clare Gerada and Raymond Tallis (probably the most intelligent doctor on the planet).

    But Doctors are a very diverse bunch. I thought the Lansley reforms could have been done better, and the BCT fund sorted a few years back, but on the other hand putting Doctors rather than pen pushers on the Commissioning boards is a definite improvement. To be honest, I do not think there is much difference between the parties on the NHS. Both Labour and Tories use it as a political football.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Thatchers fault yet again ,a man in the Audience in Scottish leaders debate.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,369
    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    taffys said:

    I feel a Scottish tory surge coming on!!

    I'll distribute the smelling salts. Someone alert Edinburgh zoo.
    The panda's already had AI, just in case (all those postal votes, and Tory party leaders mysteriously getting to know what they said early).

    Who needs pollsters when you have the vetenarians at Edinburgh zoo ;)
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,626
    perdix said:

    Tories accuse Labour of orchestrating 'stitch up' letter from doctors

    The Conservatives obtain a copy of a letter from doctors which they say is evidence that Labour is trying to 'weaponise' the NHS

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11520007/Tories-accuse-Labour-of-orchestrating-stitch-up-letter-from-doctors.html

    They have also run a 'not working' style poster attacking the tories over the NHS. Pathetic the way they weaponise the NHS.
    You would never believe that in the last election Labour under Brown were saying in their manifesto that the level of NHS spending was good enough and that the NHS could afford a £20 billion efficiency drive. And that it was OK if some of that was achieved by contracting out to private companies. That level of real spending has been maintained under the tories.
    Labour are cheap and nasty.

    Agreed. It is outrageous that the Labour party should seek to make the NHS an issue in this election.
    The NHS must be an Election issue my MP has asked me to do a piece on NHS finances since 2010 for his next leaflet drop.

    Lansley is a gift to LAB. 80% of Acute Hospitals in deficit. Hospitals only paid 30% of cost for additional A&E attendances. Better Care Fund syphoning £3.8 bn away from hospitals etc etc etc
    It might help if politicians attended to most people's experience on the NHS; GP services and the other day by day services.
    Most people have little or no experience of A&E.
    GP appointments harder to get is most people's experience on the NHS in Chesterfield apparently
    Maybe too many Labour voters in chesterfield is why GPs don't like to work there?

    Well, there are fewer labour voters in Stafford now. The bankruptcy of Labour's position is shown by Burnham's view that details of the poor care (to say the least) at Stafford should not have been published. He obviously thinks the NHS should be run for the benefit of someone other than the taxpayer and the patient.

  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Meanwhile back in the real world.....

    Britain's recovery "moved up a gear" in March, as the UK's dominant services sector shook off uncertainty about the general election to expand at a "rip-roaring" pace.
    The pound rose by almost a cent against the euro, to €1.3717, after Markit said a boom in new orders put Britain on course to grow by 0.7pc in the first three months of the year, following growth of 0.6pc in the final quarter of 2014.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11518987/UK-recovery-powers-ahead-as-services-sector-booms.html
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Pretty good argument from Murphy about how Cameron wants to keep everyone divided to sneak back in.

    But I just don't think his delivery/charisma is good enough.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Got to say Ruth Davidson very impressive.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,369

    Thatchers fault yet again ,a man in the Audience in Scottish leaders debate.

    Somone didn't get the memo about things before 2010 not mattering in this election. ;)
  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    Dair said:

    WTF 90% of the audience applauding the re-entrance of Creepy Jim.

    Comical audience selection. STV overcompensating for criticism at Indyref?

    Us Scots can be polite you know....
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    Jim Murphy doing OK in Scotland debate.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    Overall satisfaction was 70% it has now recovered to 65% in March 2015

    GP access satisfaction getting worse though.

    Source Kings Fund

    The Kings Fund isn't the source.

    It is repeating the source - Natcen, who conduct The Study of British Social Attitudes and have done for 34 years.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924

    Oxfordsimon - Yet another do as I say not as I do from Labour

    Then 2010 - Labour "Current levels of spending are sufficient, and spending not protected"
    Now 2015 - "spending has been insufficient even though it has increased"

    In government - mid staffs crisis
    Out of government - record satisfaction with NHS

    Labour's weaponisation of the NHS would be sad if it were not so blantantly dishonest.

    Why do you think 80% of Acute Trusts are in deficit compared to 1% in 2010?

    Clue Lansley reforms are a conflict of interest.
    Providers who commission do not belong to the Acute Sector
  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    Jim Murphy just asked about inflation level wage rises by the moderator. Not much of an increase at 0.0%!!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Jim gets schooled in the Laffer curve by the audience
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @iainmartin1: Flash of the old Blairite Murphy. Disagrees with unilateral nuclear disarmament. #ScotDebates
  • ItwasriggedItwasrigged Posts: 154
    Big fail by STV it looks like, folk are hitting the remotes or the off buttons already. Audience of clapping seals applauding Jim Murphy. Nauseating stitch up, STV in SLABs pocket by the look of it.
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    edited April 2015
    Has somebody nicked Jim's jaikit?
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Murphy;s struggling to answer a question from a Labour plant.

    This is hilarious.
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    edited April 2015
    Double post.
  • ItwasriggedItwasrigged Posts: 154
    taffys said:

    I feel a Scottish tory surge coming on!!

    Careful, Carmichael might decide to finger you :)
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,383
    Scott_P said:

    @iainmartin1: Flash of the old Blairite Murphy. Disagrees with unilateral nuclear disarmament. #ScotDebates

    Quelle surprise, Martin doesn't know that that's been the fudged SLab line for years.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    The Tories are becoming the party of ethnic diversity – Labour has to respond

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/07/tories-party-ethnic-diversity-labour-bame-mps-race?CMP=share_btn_tw
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,017
    The Scottish debate is quite civilised. Davidson is pretty good. Murphy is sympathetic in his ordinary man way. Audience missing the point: nhs questions to Davidson despite nhs being devolved; Trident and unemployment in Helensburgh question to Murphy although SLAB not planning to scrap it.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,369

    Big fail by STV it looks like, folk are hitting the remotes or the off buttons already. Audience of clapping seals applauding Jim Murphy. Nauseating stitch up, STV in SLABs pocket by the look of it.

    Living up to your handle.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @PeteWishart: It has seemed an awful long hour so far. Format not working. #ScotDebates

    Not working for the SNP... Nicola not getting the wild applause and adoration she is used to.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    Ave_it said:

    AVE IT FIRST ELECTION PROJECTION!!!

    Now that it is one month to go, Ave It provides the first of his regular projections as we head to GE2015!

    Headlines:
    CON ahead!
    CON cert to win popular vote!
    LAB gaining in London but not much else!
    LD holding on in key seats!
    SNP heading for more disappointment after #indyref14!
    CAMO soon to be pals with attention seeking minor parties again!

    The projection:
    CON 310
    LAB 262
    LD 32
    SNP 23
    PC 3
    GRN 1
    UKIP 1
    NI 18

    CON short by 15!

    #aveit #cheerioed #lolsturgeon

    Are you copying JackW?
  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525

    Big fail by STV it looks like, folk are hitting the remotes or the off buttons already. Audience of clapping seals applauding Jim Murphy. Nauseating stitch up, STV in SLABs pocket by the look of it.

    What? About half the audience applauded the question on trident and half applauded Murphy's answer. Fairly representative of the Scottish public's view on the subject I would say.
    But the whole program has been very low-key so far which will lead to people switching off.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    Ave_it said:

    AVE IT FIRST ELECTION PROJECTION!!!

    Now that it is one month to go, Ave It provides the first of his regular projections as we head to GE2015!

    Headlines:
    CON ahead!
    CON cert to win popular vote!
    LAB gaining in London but not much else!
    LD holding on in key seats!
    SNP heading for more disappointment after #indyref14!
    CAMO soon to be pals with attention seeking minor parties again!

    The projection:
    CON 310
    LAB 262
    LD 32
    SNP 23
    PC 3
    GRN 1
    UKIP 1
    NI 18

    CON short by 15!

    #aveit #cheerioed #lolsturgeon

    Are you copying JackW?
    All independently determined by Ave it. But great minds think alike!
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Presumably Moustache Man is planning some kind of stunt.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,207
    Why can SLAB not address the real challenge they face in this or any other election? They just can't find a way to attack the SNP. It is all about keeping the Tories out. It is just absurd.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @blairmcdougall: Nicola Sturgeon started her campaign promising full fiscal autonomy. as her central General Election policy. No mention of it in her pitch.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    AVE IT FIRST ELECTION PROJECTION!!!

    Now that it is one month to go, Ave It provides the first of his regular projections as we head to GE2015!

    Headlines:
    CON ahead!
    CON cert to win popular vote!
    LAB gaining in London but not much else!
    LD holding on in key seats!
    SNP heading for more disappointment after #indyref14!
    CAMO soon to be pals with attention seeking minor parties again!

    The projection:
    CON 310
    LAB 262
    LD 32
    SNP 23
    PC 3
    GRN 1
    UKIP 1
    NI 18

    CON short by 15!

    #aveit #cheerioed #lolsturgeon

    Are you copying JackW?
    great minds think alike!
    Maybe but what about yourself and JackW!!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @Markfergusonuk: SNP argument is offensive to all who have ever been elected Scottish MPs in the past. Implies Cook, Brown or Dewar didn’t represent Scotland
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    AVE IT FIRST ELECTION PROJECTION!!!

    Now that it is one month to go, Ave It provides the first of his regular projections as we head to GE2015!

    Headlines:
    CON ahead!
    CON cert to win popular vote!
    LAB gaining in London but not much else!
    LD holding on in key seats!
    SNP heading for more disappointment after #indyref14!
    CAMO soon to be pals with attention seeking minor parties again!

    The projection:
    CON 310
    LAB 262
    LD 32
    SNP 23
    PC 3
    GRN 1
    UKIP 1
    NI 18

    CON short by 15!

    #aveit #cheerioed #lolsturgeon

    Are you copying JackW?
    great minds think alike!
    Maybe but what about yourself and JackW!!
    :lol::lol::lol:
  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    antifrank said:

    Presumably Moustache Man is planning some kind of stunt.

    I noticed him aswell. It might just be somebody in disguise...
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,017
    edited April 2015
    Sturgeon sounds like Balls: yes, reduce the deficit, but not so fast as the wicked Tories.
    Audience in Edinburgh not with her.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,369
    Scott_P said:

    @Markfergusonuk: SNP argument is offensive to all who have ever been elected Scottish MPs in the past. Implies Cook, Brown or Dewar didn’t represent Scotland

    What was their argument?
  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    Sturgeon basically admits there will be another indyref after the 2016 Holyrood election assuming they get a majority
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    RobD said:

    What was their argument?

    That you need to vote SNP to get a Scottish voice at Westminster
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @paulhutcheon: Nicola gets big groan by not ruling out another referendum after 2016
    #scotdebates
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,017
    antifrank said:

    Presumably Moustache Man is planning some kind of stunt.

    Someone should tell him: Relax, don't do it.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @iainmartin1: Fascinating. Sturgeon under pressure on 2nd #indyref. It's almost as though 55% of audience/Scotland voted No to independence? #ScotDebates
  • ItwasriggedItwasrigged Posts: 154
    It wouldn't surprise me if the truly awful River City got a larger audience.
  • Eh_ehm_a_ehEh_ehm_a_eh Posts: 552
    Scott_P said:

    @Markfergusonuk: SNP argument is offensive to all who have ever been elected Scottish MPs in the past. Implies Cook, Brown or Dewar didn’t represent Scotland

    They didn't.

  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Saltire said:

    antifrank said:

    Presumably Moustache Man is planning some kind of stunt.

    I noticed him aswell. It might just be somebody in disguise...
    The moustache has gone. I think we're going to find out who he is by the end of the show.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    James Forsyth @JGForsyth

    Sturgeon refuses to rule out putting a referendum commitment in the SNP’s 2016 Scottish Parliament Election manifesto

    Sturgeon struggling on this.
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    Didn't a forecast a few days ago have ~21 LibDem MPs, all men, all white (?)?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,252
    Scott_P said:

    @Markfergusonuk: SNP argument is offensive to all who have ever been elected Scottish MPs in the past. Implies Cook, Brown or Dewar didn’t represent Scotland

    Never knew you were the PB voice of Labour list Scott :D
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Scott_P said:

    @Markfergusonuk: SNP argument is offensive to all who have ever been elected Scottish MPs in the past. Implies Cook, Brown or Dewar didn’t represent Scotland

    They didn't.

    Lol. What an idea.

    They despised and destroyed Scotland and Scots with every breath in their bodies.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,626
    Scott_P said:

    RobD said:

    What was their argument?

    That you need to vote SNP to get a Scottish voice at Westminster
    It's hardly offensive to argue that someone who is a senior member of a UK-wide political party might support policies that are judged to be best for the UK as a whole, not for Scotland in isolation. In fact it's almost certainly true.

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