Would anyone find it useful to have a website (maybe called propbet.org or something similar) that would allow them to record and betting offers that they make people on websites - basically allow you to record bet proposition, odds, stake, who and where the bet was made?
Some facility for setting a settlement date reminder e-mail and a double confirmation system from the participants to say the bet has been settled and paid out.
Absolutely no money handling of any sort done through the site - just a simpe system to help record gentelamn's wagers.
Would anyone find it useful to have a website (maybe called propbet.org or something similar) that would allow them to record and betting offers that they make people on websites - basically allow you to record bet proposition, odds, stake, who and where the bet was made?
Some facility for setting a settlement date reminder e-mail and a double confirmation system from the participants to say the bet has been settled and paid out.
Absolutely no money handling of any sort done through the site - just a simpe system to help record gentelamn's wagers.
I would, I've made a few bets on here and forgotten most of them!
Here's one for all the people that said 'IF the farage children were there' 'IF events were as Farage described'
'As a Guardian reader for over 50 years and a Downe resident for over 20 years, including eight years as landlord of the Queen’s Head, I find your article (Big trouble in middle England, G2, 24 March) disappointing, to say the least. This was in no way a political demonstration but an ill-disciplined, attention-seeking rabble with no thought of other people’s safety or enjoyment. They booked the George & Dragon under false pretences for larger numbers and purposes than it is suitable for, thereby ruining normal customers’ afternoon enjoyment
A large number of families use this pub and the Queen’s Head for a peaceful Sunday lunch and social gatherings. Young children with their parents (including the Farage children) were terrified by these events. Mr Farage remained calm during these so-called demonstrations and certainly had no minders, heavies or aides with him. Your correspondent omits the fact that the driver of the hired coach refused to transport the rabble back to Bromley, worried about their behaviour and no doubt his safety. Also, the article does not take into consideration the damage caused to the business and reputation of these well-run pubs. I’m not, of course, going to stop buying or reading the Guardian, but hope for a return to more balanced and objective reporting.
Lessen from 2010 coming into Home stretch seems to be treat surges during April with extreme caution.
Except Tory surges, of course. That will be the electorate coming to their senses...
Camo's coming home!
To Chipping Norton on 8th May 2015
Removal Van from Downing St. with GO
They are all in it together.
I wonder if he'll do a Brown and cut the PMs salary by 25%.
Might pass a law that for the next 5 years the PM has to wear a badge on all public engagements, with the slogan.
"I is Crap"
I thought "I" was a "fing nob".Quite ironic really that statement. Most people I know local to him thinking Danczuk is one of the biggest fing nobs they have ever met,who has surrounded himself with other fing nobs. I believe they are known locally as Danczuk sycophants, and will do anything to help their leader. Like a Rochdale PB Hodge Squad.
David Cameron heckled by pensioners at Age UK rally Watch the Prime Minister get heckled as he tries to answer questions on the NHS at Age UK's General Election rally.
Here's one for all the people that said 'IF the farage children were there' 'IF events were as Farage described'
'As a Guardian reader for over 50 years and a Downe resident for over 20 years, including eight years as landlord of the Queen’s Head, I find your article (Big trouble in middle England, G2, 24 March) disappointing, to say the least. This was in no way a political demonstration but an ill-disciplined, attention-seeking rabble with no thought of other people’s safety or enjoyment. They booked the George & Dragon under false pretences for larger numbers and purposes than it is suitable for, thereby ruining normal customers’ afternoon enjoyment
A large number of families use this pub and the Queen’s Head for a peaceful Sunday lunch and social gatherings. Young children with their parents (including the Farage children) were terrified by these events. Mr Farage remained calm during these so-called demonstrations and certainly had no minders, heavies or aides with him. Your correspondent omits the fact that the driver of the hired coach refused to transport the rabble back to Bromley, worried about their behaviour and no doubt his safety. Also, the article does not take into consideration the damage caused to the business and reputation of these well-run pubs. I’m not, of course, going to stop buying or reading the Guardian, but hope for a return to more balanced and objective reporting.
You mean he's moving networks and making a boatload more money?
Poor chap.
I suppose the BBC will now be looking to the public to make up the tens of millions they are going to lose every year.
F**k em. They should be made to run as a paid subscription service. Then they would actually have to take some responsibility for the money they spend.
David Cameron heckled by pensioners at Age UK rally Watch the Prime Minister get heckled as he tries to answer questions on the NHS at Age UK's General Election rally.
Would anyone find it useful to have a website (maybe called propbet.org or something similar) that would allow them to record and betting offers that they make people on websites - basically allow you to record bet proposition, odds, stake, who and where the bet was made?
Some facility for setting a settlement date reminder e-mail and a double confirmation system from the participants to say the bet has been settled and paid out.
Absolutely no money handling of any sort done through the site - just a simpe system to help record gentelamn's wagers.
Let me know if you would like to make an app for that. Always looking for a new project.
You mean he's moving networks and making a boatload more money?
Poor chap.
I suppose the BBC will now be looking to the public to make up the tens of millions they are going to lose every year.
F**k em. They should be made to run as a paid subscription service. Then they would actually have to take some responsibility for the money they spend.
They will just send a few more people to prison for being too poor to pay their TV Licence. Interesting morals that organisation.
David Cameron heckled by pensioners at Age UK rally Watch the Prime Minister get heckled as he tries to answer questions on the NHS at Age UK's General Election rally.
[snip]
Cameron dead in the water? What these pensioners are saying is that the polls are so wrong it's unbelievable.
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You mean he's moving networks and making a boatload more money?
Poor chap.
I suppose the BBC will now be looking to the public to make up the tens of millions they are going to lose every year.
F**k em. They should be made to run as a paid subscription service. Then they would actually have to take some responsibility for the money they spend.
They will just send a few more people to prison for being too poor to pay their TV Licence. Interesting morals that organisation.
You mean he's moving networks and making a boatload more money?
Poor chap.
I suppose the BBC will now be looking to the public to make up the tens of millions they are going to lose every year.
F**k em. They should be made to run as a paid subscription service. Then they would actually have to take some responsibility for the money they spend.
They will just send a few more people to prison for being too poor to pay their TV Licence. Interesting morals that organisation.
When was the last person imprisoned for this?
Averages about 50 people a year. A disproportionate amount of whom are women.
You mean he's moving networks and making a boatload more money?
Poor chap.
I suppose the BBC will now be looking to the public to make up the tens of millions they are going to lose every year.
F**k em. They should be made to run as a paid subscription service. Then they would actually have to take some responsibility for the money they spend.
Or - as I've said before on here - adopt the PBS funding model from the US.
'Police and demonstrators clashed after a "mini riot" broke out in a busy high street.
Members of the Kurdish community clashed with demonstrators at an Islamic Roadshow stall in High Road, Wood Green, yesterday at around 5pm.
Police were called to the town centre as arguments broke out between the two groups when the Kurdish people walked through Wood Green to the Kurdish Community Centre as part of Newroz - the traditional Iranian new year celebration.
Muslim activist Anjem Choudary, known for being an advocate of Sharia Law, was among groups hosting the Islamic Roadshow stall, who were heard promoting Sharia law and urging Muslims not to vote while handing out leaflets from their tent outside Boots.'
Here's one for all the people that said 'IF the farage children were there' 'IF events were as Farage described'
'As a Guardian reader for over 50 years and a Downe resident for over 20 years, including eight years as landlord of the Queen’s Head, I find your article (Big trouble in middle England, G2, 24 March) disappointing, to say the least. This was in no way a political demonstration but an ill-disciplined, attention-seeking rabble with no thought of other people’s safety or enjoyment. They booked the George & Dragon under false pretences for larger numbers and purposes than it is suitable for, thereby ruining normal customers’ afternoon enjoyment
A large number of families use this pub and the Queen’s Head for a peaceful Sunday lunch and social gatherings. Young children with their parents (including the Farage children) were terrified by these events. Mr Farage remained calm during these so-called demonstrations and certainly had no minders, heavies or aides with him. Your correspondent omits the fact that the driver of the hired coach refused to transport the rabble back to Bromley, worried about their behaviour and no doubt his safety. Also, the article does not take into consideration the damage caused to the business and reputation of these well-run pubs. I’m not, of course, going to stop buying or reading the Guardian, but hope for a return to more balanced and objective reporting.
Looks like those who took part and gave interviews were lying as all of the eye witness accounts confirm Nigel's children were present and the witnesses were intimidated and fearful for their own families safety.
You cannot go to prison for non-payment of your licence fee, but you can be jailed for not paying a fine imposed as punishment for not paying for a licence
You mean he's moving networks and making a boatload more money?
Poor chap.
I suppose the BBC will now be looking to the public to make up the tens of millions they are going to lose every year.
F**k em. They should be made to run as a paid subscription service. Then they would actually have to take some responsibility for the money they spend.
They will just send a few more people to prison for being too poor to pay their TV Licence. Interesting morals that organisation.
If you are too poor to pay a TV licence, you're too poor to have a Sky sub
Can someone from the Labour side who thinks ending the spare-room subsidy is so iniquitous please tell my friend why he has to wait years for a house to come available to allow his kids not to be all bunked up in one room? Just because people who don't have a need of the room will still be allowed to keep it - and have the cost for that room paid for out of my friend's small contribution to Income Tax? Because he is spitting mad about it....
Because your lot flogged all the council houses.
A third of all council house sales happened under Labour, and 2/3 of transfers from councils to housing associations happened under Labour.
The problem we have is not so much not enough council houses, but not enough houses. The population has grown by eight million, and households are more fragmented.
If not a single council house was sold we would still have a shortage.
But the flog-off-all-the-council-houses policy also came with a typically myopically Tory don't-use-the-proceeds-to-build-more-houses clause.
So, yes, housing shortages really are the Tories' fault.
Here's one for all the people that said 'IF the farage children were there' 'IF events were as Farage described'
'As a Guardian reader for over 50 years and a Downe resident for over 20 years, including eight years as landlord of the Queen’s Head, I find your article (Big trouble in middle England, G2, 24 March) disappointing, to say the least. This was in no way a political demonstration but an ill-disciplined, attention-seeking rabble with no thought of other people’s safety or enjoyment. They booked the George & Dragon under false pretences for larger numbers and purposes than it is suitable for, thereby ruining normal customers’ afternoon enjoyment
A large number of families use this pub and the Queen’s Head for a peaceful Sunday lunch and social gatherings. Young children with their parents (including the Farage children) were terrified by these events. Mr Farage remained calm during these so-called demonstrations and certainly had no minders, heavies or aides with him. Your correspondent omits the fact that the driver of the hired coach refused to transport the rabble back to Bromley, worried about their behaviour and no doubt his safety. Also, the article does not take into consideration the damage caused to the business and reputation of these well-run pubs. I’m not, of course, going to stop buying or reading the Guardian, but hope for a return to more balanced and objective reporting.
You mean he's moving networks and making a boatload more money?
Poor chap.
Quite. He'll work out fine, and in fact being sacked by the BBC can only help him in some quarters, whereas whatever the personal feelings of some BBC staff, I am certain the organisation had no wish at all to sack him. Come to think of it, if after the last incident Clarkson had not come out and said 'they've said one more incident and I'm gone' (paraphrase) would they have been under any real pressure to sack him this time? Sure some would have called for it, but it feels like his own words following the last incident put pressure on the BBC to actually do something this time, when financially they obviously would have no wish to.
You mean he's moving networks and making a boatload more money?
Poor chap.
Quite. He'll work out fine, and in fact being sacked by the BBC can only help him in some quarters, whereas whatever the personal feelings of some BBC staff, I am certain the organisation had no wish at all to sack him. Come to think of it, if after the last incident Clarkson had not come out and said 'they've said one more incident and I'm gone' (paraphrase) would they have been under any real pressure to sack him this time? Sure some would have, but it feels like his own words following the last incident put pressure on the BBC to actually do something this time, when financially they obviously would have no wish to.
They are not remotely interested in the financial aspect.
Can someone from the Labour side who thinks ending the spare-room subsidy is so iniquitous please tell my friend why he has to wait years for a house to come available to allow his kids not to be all bunked up in one room? Just because people who don't have a need of the room will still be allowed to keep it - and have the cost for that room paid for out of my friend's small contribution to Income Tax? Because he is spitting mad about it....
Because your lot flogged all the council houses.
A third of all council house sales happened under Labour, and 2/3 of transfers from councils to housing associations happened under Labour.
The problem we have is not so much not enough council houses, but not enough houses. The population has grown by eight million, and households are more fragmented.
If not a single council house was sold we would still have a shortage.
But the flog-off-all-the-council-houses policy also came with a typically myopically Tory don't-use-the-proceeds-to-build-more-houses clause.
So, yes, housing shortages really are the Tories' fault.
Because no money from other sources could have been used to build houses, in the Brown boom years? Course it couldn't.
Can someone from the Labour side who thinks ending the spare-room subsidy is so iniquitous please tell my friend why he has to wait years for a house to come available to allow his kids not to be all bunked up in one room? Just because people who don't have a need of the room will still be allowed to keep it - and have the cost for that room paid for out of my friend's small contribution to Income Tax? Because he is spitting mad about it....
Because your lot flogged all the council houses.
A third of all council house sales happened under Labour, and 2/3 of transfers from councils to housing associations happened under Labour.
The problem we have is not so much not enough council houses, but not enough houses. The population has grown by eight million, and households are more fragmented.
If not a single council house was sold we would still have a shortage.
But the flog-off-all-the-council-houses policy also came with a typically myopically Tory don't-use-the-proceeds-to-build-more-houses clause.
So, yes, housing shortages really are the Tories' fault.
The proceeds could be used to build council houses. Who told you they werent? As long as councils paid of any debt associated with their stock, they were free to build build and build.
PS, the houses sold off still exist. They still have people living in them.
Can someone from the Labour side who thinks ending the spare-room subsidy is so iniquitous please tell my friend why he has to wait years for a house to come available to allow his kids not to be all bunked up in one room? Just because people who don't have a need of the room will still be allowed to keep it - and have the cost for that room paid for out of my friend's small contribution to Income Tax? Because he is spitting mad about it....
Because your lot flogged all the council houses.
A third of all council house sales happened under Labour, and 2/3 of transfers from councils to housing associations happened under Labour.
The problem we have is not so much not enough council houses, but not enough houses. The population has grown by eight million, and households are more fragmented.
If not a single council house was sold we would still have a shortage.
But the flog-off-all-the-council-houses policy also came with a typically myopically Tory don't-use-the-proceeds-to-build-more-houses clause.
So, yes, housing shortages really are the Tories' fault.
Ed is doing the school run with ITV camera crew in tow tomorrow morning.
Hope his kids don't play up, or that Rent a Mob doesn't manage to find some an ill assorted bunch of malcontents to heckle him all the way to the infant school and back.
Perhaps ITV or C4 might invite Farage to do a series of Come Dine With Me.
Here's one for all the people that said 'IF the farage children were there' 'IF events were as Farage described'
'As a Guardian reader for over 50 years and a Downe resident for over 20 years, including eight years as landlord of the Queen’s Head, I find your article (Big trouble in middle England, G2, 24 March) disappointing, to say the least. This was in no way a political demonstration but an ill-disciplined, attention-seeking rabble with no thought of other people’s safety or enjoyment. They booked the George & Dragon under false pretences for larger numbers and purposes than it is suitable for, thereby ruining normal customers’ afternoon enjoyment
A large number of families use this pub and the Queen’s Head for a peaceful Sunday lunch and social gatherings. Young children with their parents (including the Farage children) were terrified by these events. Mr Farage remained calm during these so-called demonstrations and certainly had no minders, heavies or aides with him. Your correspondent omits the fact that the driver of the hired coach refused to transport the rabble back to Bromley, worried about their behaviour and no doubt his safety. Also, the article does not take into consideration the damage caused to the business and reputation of these well-run pubs. I’m not, of course, going to stop buying or reading the Guardian, but hope for a return to more balanced and objective reporting.
You mean he's moving networks and making a boatload more money?
Poor chap.
Quite. He'll work out fine, and in fact being sacked by the BBC can only help him in some quarters, whereas whatever the personal feelings of some BBC staff, I am certain the organisation had no wish at all to sack him. Come to think of it, if after the last incident Clarkson had not come out and said 'they've said one more incident and I'm gone' (paraphrase) would they have been under any real pressure to sack him this time? Sure some would have, but it feels like his own words following the last incident put pressure on the BBC to actually do something this time, when financially they obviously would have no wish to.
They are not remotely interested in the financial aspect.
I am sure there are parts of the BBC that are, especially given how many times he's been let off before due to being a big name. I find it hard to accept they are not 'remotely interested' in such things. They wouldn't have kept him all this time were that the case.
Honestly, I like Clarkson, and I even appreciate how in contrast to the usual celeb in these situations going silent he's continued to crack gags and the like, but the clamouring of some on the right to frothing levels of conspiracies and rage, and using it as a stick to beat the BBC with when there are much easier things to use as sticks, has been nothing short of insufferable.
Can someone from the Labour side who thinks ending the spare-room subsidy is so iniquitous please tell my friend why he has to wait years for a house to come available to allow his kids not to be all bunked up in one room? Just because people who don't have a need of the room will still be allowed to keep it - and have the cost for that room paid for out of my friend's small contribution to Income Tax? Because he is spitting mad about it....
Because your lot flogged all the council houses.
A third of all council house sales happened under Labour, and 2/3 of transfers from councils to housing associations happened under Labour.
The problem we have is not so much not enough council houses, but not enough houses. The population has grown by eight million, and households are more fragmented.
If not a single council house was sold we would still have a shortage.
But the flog-off-all-the-council-houses policy also came with a typically myopically Tory don't-use-the-proceeds-to-build-more-houses clause.
So, yes, housing shortages really are the Tories' fault.
Can someone from the Labour side who thinks ending the spare-room subsidy is so iniquitous please tell my friend why he has to wait years for a house to come available to allow his kids not to be all bunked up in one room? Just because people who don't have a need of the room will still be allowed to keep it - and have the cost for that room paid for out of my friend's small contribution to Income Tax? Because he is spitting mad about it....
Because your lot flogged all the council houses.
A third of all council house sales happened under Labour, and 2/3 of transfers from councils to housing associations happened under Labour.
The problem we have is not so much not enough council houses, but not enough houses. The population has grown by eight million, and households are more fragmented.
If not a single council house was sold we would still have a shortage.
But the flog-off-all-the-council-houses policy also came with a typically myopically Tory don't-use-the-proceeds-to-build-more-houses clause.
So, yes, housing shortages really are the Tories' fault.
The proceeds could be used to build council houses. Who told you they werent? As long as councils paid of any debt associated with their stock, they were free to build build and build.
PS, the houses sold off still exist. They still have people living in them.
The housing crisis is largely caused by (a) increase in population (immigration), (b) Brown's credit-bubble, and (c) damage to pensions making people look to buy-to-let as investments.
Blaming Thatcher for that takes a special kind of thinking.
David Cameron heckled by pensioners at Age UK rally Watch the Prime Minister get heckled as he tries to answer questions on the NHS at Age UK's General Election rally.
[snip]
Cameron dead in the water? What these pensioners are saying is that the polls are so wrong it's unbelievable.
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Which mobile device are you using? It doesn't cause an issue on my iPhone. You can always browse the comments from http://politicalbetting.vanillaforums.com/discussions but you have to live with newest comment at bottom format.
Be good if we could select oldest first / newest first as it would save me ages trying to load wads of comments to get to the 1st post on each thread so I can then read I chronological order. Other sites manage it so it should be possible?
Ed is doing the school run with ITV camera crew in tow tomorrow morning.
Hope his kids don't play up, or that Rent a Mob doesn't manage to find some an ill assorted bunch of malcontents to heckle him all the way to the infant school and back.
Perhaps ITV or C4 might invite Farage to do a series of Come Dine With Me.
But will he do a 3rd term as leader of the opposition?
Can someone from the Labour side who thinks ending the spare-room subsidy is so iniquitous please tell my friend why he has to wait years for a house to come available to allow his kids not to be all bunked up in one room? Just because people who don't have a need of the room will still be allowed to keep it - and have the cost for that room paid for out of my friend's small contribution to Income Tax? Because he is spitting mad about it....
Because your lot flogged all the council houses.
A third of all council house sales happened under Labour, and 2/3 of transfers from councils to housing associations happened under Labour.
The problem we have is not so much not enough council houses, but not enough houses. The population has grown by eight million, and households are more fragmented.
If not a single council house was sold we would still have a shortage.
But the flog-off-all-the-council-houses policy also came with a typically myopically Tory don't-use-the-proceeds-to-build-more-houses clause.
So, yes, housing shortages really are the Tories' fault.
Ahem. *Fatcha's* fault.
You need re-chipping.
Yep, all Fatchas fault.
Appalling Prime Minister. Still living with the fallout.
David Cameron heckled by pensioners at Age UK rally Watch the Prime Minister get heckled as he tries to answer questions on the NHS at Age UK's General Election rally.
[snip]
Cameron dead in the water? What these pensioners are saying is that the polls are so wrong it's unbelievable.
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Which mobile device are you using? It doesn't cause an issue on my iPhone. You can always browse the comments from http://politicalbetting.vanillaforums.com/discussions but you have to live with newest comment at bottom format.
Be good if we could select oldest first / newest first as it would save me ages trying to load wads of comments to get to the 1st post on each thread so I can then read I chronological order. Other sites manage it so it should be possible?
Oldest first, view the comments on the vanillaforums website, newest first, view it on pb.com, simples!
You mean he's moving networks and making a boatload more money?
Poor chap.
Quite. He'll work out fine, and in fact being sacked by the BBC can only help him in some quarters, whereas whatever the personal feelings of some BBC staff, I am certain the organisation had no wish at all to sack him. Come to think of it, if after the last incident Clarkson had not come out and said 'they've said one more incident and I'm gone' (paraphrase) would they have been under any real pressure to sack him this time? Sure some would have, but it feels like his own words following the last incident put pressure on the BBC to actually do something this time, when financially they obviously would have no wish to.
They are not remotely interested in the financial aspect.
I am sure there are parts of the BBC that are, especially given how many times he's been let off before due to being a big name. I find it hard to accept they are not 'remotely interested' in such things. They wouldn't have kept him all this time were that the case.
Honestly, I like Clarkson, and I even appreciate how in contrast to the usual celeb in these situations going silent he's continued to crack gags and the like, but the clamouring of some on the right to frothing levels of conspiracies and rage, and using it as a stick to beat the BBC with when there are much easier things to use as sticks, has been nothing short of insufferable.
Well said although I can't agree about liking him. He's a right wing thug but the issue is about bullying in the workplace. No-one else would or should get away with it. So SeanT can froth as much as he likes, if the BBC fire him they've got it right.
I am literally going to cancel my BBC licence fee if they do this. I don't give a fuck. What are they going to do, put me in prison?
lol
Fuck em. Let the talent punch the fucking producers, it's what producers are FOR. That's what they DO. Because BBC producers don't do much else to justify their six figure salaries.
What has him punching someone in a hotel got to do with his ability to present one of the most popular shoes on the BBC?
A show I don't watch by the way! Not a petrol head
Reading that I do hope Evans says no. Not sure it would be a sound career move to be seen to be taking over in those circumstances.
It'll be dependent if Captain Slow and the Hamster stay or not.
I said I hope Evans doesn't take it because I like him and don't want to see him fail. And fail he will - particularly if Hammond and May stay. The whole dynamic will be wrong. Top Gear as it stands is dead on the BBC if Clarkson is gone. They can keep the name and relaunch it as another car programme but it will certainly not be the programme it was and I suspect (or at least hope) the Terrible Trio will be making that programme for some other broadcaster.
How do you become a producer at the BBC? Oisin Tymon looks like a gap-year student who's just rolled out of bed.
BBC have killed their golden goose. Plonkers.
He was the one who reported the incident apparently - what were the BBC supposed to do, given his own comments about 'one more thing and I'm fired' previously? Seriously, what were they supposed to do? Short of going back in time and 'better managing their talent' (a suggestion I've seen), I am genuinely confused what the BBC have actually done that is objectionable in any way. The phrase 'felt they had no choice' seems peppered throughout the piece and is hard to dispute, so as much as some people hate the BBC for all sorts of reasons, I don't even see how this plays into those reasons. It's not even one of those times where if someone doesn't like the BBC it makes sense to blame them for X situation.
You mean he's moving networks and making a boatload more money?
Poor chap.
Quite. He'll work out fine, and in fact being sacked by the BBC can only help him in some quarters, whereas whatever the personal feelings of some BBC staff, I am certain the organisation had no wish at all to sack him. Come to think of it, if after the last incident Clarkson had not come out and said 'they've said one more incident and I'm gone' (paraphrase) would they have been under any real pressure to sack him this time? Sure some would have, but it feels like his own words following the last incident put pressure on the BBC to actually do something this time, when financially they obviously would have no wish to.
They are not remotely interested in the financial aspect.
I am sure there are parts of the BBC that are, especially given how many times he's been let off before due to being a big name. I find it hard to accept they are not 'remotely interested' in such things. They wouldn't have kept him all this time were that the case.
Honestly, I like Clarkson, and I even appreciate how in contrast to the usual celeb in these situations going silent he's continued to crack gags and the like, but the clamouring of some on the right to frothing levels of conspiracies and rage, and using it as a stick to beat the BBC with when there are much easier things to use as sticks, has been nothing short of insufferable.
Well said although I can't agree about liking him. He's a right wing thug but the issue is about bullying in the workplace. No-one else would or should get away with it. So SeanT can froth as much as he likes, if the BBC fire him they've got it right.
Can someone from the Labour side who thinks ending the spare-room subsidy is so iniquitous please tell my friend why he has to wait years for a house to come available to allow his kids not to be all bunked up in one room? Just because people who don't have a need of the room will still be allowed to keep it - and have the cost for that room paid for out of my friend's small contribution to Income Tax? Because he is spitting mad about it....
Because your lot flogged all the council houses.
A third of all council house sales happened under Labour, and 2/3 of transfers from councils to housing associations happened under Labour.
The problem we have is not so much not enough council houses, but not enough houses. The population has grown by eight million, and households are more fragmented.
If not a single council house was sold we would still have a shortage.
But the flog-off-all-the-council-houses policy also came with a typically myopically Tory don't-use-the-proceeds-to-build-more-houses clause.
So, yes, housing shortages really are the Tories' fault.
Ahem. *Fatcha's* fault.
You need re-chipping.
Yep, all Fatchas fault.
Appalling Prime Minister. Still living with the fallout.
Well done. Your free bust of Karl Marx is on its way with DHL.
Can someone from the Labour side who thinks ending the spare-room subsidy is so iniquitous please tell my friend why he has to wait years for a house to come available to allow his kids not to be all bunked up in one room? Just because people who don't have a need of the room will still be allowed to keep it - and have the cost for that room paid for out of my friend's small contribution to Income Tax? Because he is spitting mad about it....
Because your lot flogged all the council houses.
A third of all council house sales happened under Labour, and 2/3 of transfers from councils to housing associations happened under Labour.
The problem we have is not so much not enough council houses, but not enough houses. The population has grown by eight million, and households are more fragmented.
If not a single council house was sold we would still have a shortage.
But the flog-off-all-the-council-houses policy also came with a typically myopically Tory don't-use-the-proceeds-to-build-more-houses clause.
So, yes, housing shortages really are the Tories' fault.
No, they didn't.
Only half the proceeds of the sales were paid to the local authorities, and they were restricted to spending the money to reduce their debt until it was cleared, rather than being able to spend it on building more homes. The effect was to reduce the council housing stock, especially in areas where property prices were high such as London and the south-east of England. This trend was exacerbated by a government imposed ban on local authorities using their revenues from council house sales to fund new housing.[8] Both these policies, together with rising rents and cuts to state benefits, have been linked to vast increase in homelessness, when rough sleepers became an increasingly common sight. Homeless households in England during the 1980s, trebled from approximately 55,000 (1980) to 165,000 in 1990.[9
Can someone from the Labour side who thinks ending the spare-room subsidy is so iniquitous please tell my friend why he has to wait years for a house to come available to allow his kids not to be all bunked up in one room? Just because people who don't have a need of the room will still be allowed to keep it - and have the cost for that room paid for out of my friend's small contribution to Income Tax? Because he is spitting mad about it....
Because your lot flogged all the council houses.
A third of all council house sales happened under Labour, and 2/3 of transfers from councils to housing associations happened under Labour.
The problem we have is not so much not enough council houses, but not enough houses. The population has grown by eight million, and households are more fragmented.
If not a single council house was sold we would still have a shortage.
But the flog-off-all-the-council-houses policy also came with a typically myopically Tory don't-use-the-proceeds-to-build-more-houses clause.
So, yes, housing shortages really are the Tories' fault.
You mean he's moving networks and making a boatload more money?
Poor chap.
I suppose the BBC will now be looking to the public to make up the tens of millions they are going to lose every year.
F**k em. They should be made to run as a paid subscription service. Then they would actually have to take some responsibility for the money they spend.
The BBC should not be a broadcasting organisation. There is an argument that there should be some public money set aside to commission programmes that would not otherwise be made: perhaps some education or arts programming.
But it is inconceivable to me that a government organisation should be competing with private sector ones to supply a service that the market is quite capable of providing on its own.
And don't give me that "oh, but we need Radio 4" shit. If there is a demand for it, the market will provide it.
One problem for UKIP is that during the campaign there will be a lot of talk about opinion polls - they will come to the attention of the wider public much more than they normally do.
If people see UKIP falling, and they also see Con and Lab are close, there is every chance that people who may have been inclined to vote UKIP will "give up" and switch back to their preferred option of Con or Lab.
How do you become a producer at the BBC? Oisin Tymon looks like a gap-year student who's just rolled out of bed.
BBC have killed their golden goose. Plonkers.
He was the one who reported the incident apparently - what were the BBC supposed to do, given his own comments about 'one more thing and I'm fired' previously? Seriously, what were they supposed to do? Short of going back in time and 'better managing their talent' (a suggestion I've seen), I am genuinely confused what the BBC have actually done that is objectionable in any way. The phrase 'felt they had no choice' seems peppered throughout the piece and is hard to dispute, so as much as some people hate the BBC for all sorts of reasons, I don't even see how this plays into those reasons. It's not even one of those times where if someone doesn't like the BBC it makes sense to blame them for X situation.
"what were they supposed to do?"
Make him apologise for his behaviour and put it right with the producer somehow.
Can someone from the Labour side who thinks ending the spare-room subsidy is so iniquitous please tell my friend why he has to wait years for a house to come available to allow his kids not to be all bunked up in one room? Just because people who don't have a need of the room will still be allowed to keep it - and have the cost for that room paid for out of my friend's small contribution to Income Tax? Because he is spitting mad about it....
Because your lot flogged all the council houses.
A third of all council house sales happened under Labour, and 2/3 of transfers from councils to housing associations happened under Labour.
The problem we have is not so much not enough council houses, but not enough houses. The population has grown by eight million, and households are more fragmented.
If not a single council house was sold we would still have a shortage.
But the flog-off-all-the-council-houses policy also came with a typically myopically Tory don't-use-the-proceeds-to-build-more-houses clause.
So, yes, housing shortages really are the Tories' fault.
No, they didn't.
Yes they did
Half the proceeds of the sales were paid to the local authorities, but they were restricted to spending the money to reduce their debt until it was cleared, rather than being able to spend it on building more homes. The effect was to reduce the council housing stock, especially in areas where property prices were high such as London and the south-east of England. This trend was exacerbated by a government imposed ban on local authorities using their revenues from council house sales to fund new housing.[8] Both these policies, together with rising rents and cuts to state benefits, have been linked to vast increase in homelessness, when rough sleepers became an increasingly common sight. Homeless households in England during the 1980s, trebled from approximately 55,000 (1980) to 165,000 in 1990.[9
Homelessness is the same today as it was in 1979. Ill carry on that figure for you, it went from 55,000 to 165,000 in 1990 to 56,000 in 2014.
More council houses were sold between 1990 and 2014 then between 1980 and 1990. So there isnt even a correlation for you to draw a false causation from.
YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour and Tories still tied: CON 35%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 12%, GRN 6%
Fascinating. This is becoming a stalemate - both sides are mobilising and rallying, but despite several assaults, neither can decisively penetrate the defences on the political Western Front.
It needs one side to run out of reserves, and then for that to be quickly exploited with new weaponry, in a final coordinated combined arms assault.
How do you become a producer at the BBC? Oisin Tymon looks like a gap-year student who's just rolled out of bed.
BBC have killed their golden goose. Plonkers.
He was the one who reported the incident apparently - what were the BBC supposed to do, given his own comments about 'one more thing and I'm fired' previously? Seriously, what were they supposed to do? Short of going back in time and 'better managing their talent' (a suggestion I've seen), I am genuinely confused what the BBC have actually done that is objectionable in any way. The phrase 'felt they had no choice' seems peppered throughout the piece and is hard to dispute, so as much as some people hate the BBC for all sorts of reasons, I don't even see how this plays into those reasons. It's not even one of those times where if someone doesn't like the BBC it makes sense to blame them for X situation.
Given him a rise and promotion to grand wizard producer of countryfile. He would have been daft not to have taken it. Now he has won but is virtually unemployable. A triumph of triple losses for all 3 parties. The public sector in action.
Can someone from the Labour side who thinks ending the spare-room subsidy is so iniquitous please tell my friend why he has to wait years for a house to come available to allow his kids not to be all bunked up in one room? Just because people who don't have a need of the room will still be allowed to keep it - and have the cost for that room paid for out of my friend's small contribution to Income Tax? Because he is spitting mad about it....
Because your lot flogged all the council houses.
A third of all council house sales happened under Labour, and 2/3 of transfers from councils to housing associations happened under Labour.
The problem we have is not so much not enough council houses, but not enough houses. The population has grown by eight million, and households are more fragmented.
If not a single council house was sold we would still have a shortage.
But the flog-off-all-the-council-houses policy also came with a typically myopically Tory don't-use-the-proceeds-to-build-more-houses clause.
So, yes, housing shortages really are the Tories' fault.
"I think the BBC are savvy enough to realise this will have political implications for them and their future, if the Tories are re-elected. "
Garbage. Top Gear is a pin prick to the BBC. What's more the chances are that Top Gear 2 will be more popular than the original. Never underestimate the talent at the BBC. Almost everything they have ever touched has turned to gold. Quite simply as a broadcaster thy're in a class of their own
How do you become a producer at the BBC? Oisin Tymon looks like a gap-year student who's just rolled out of bed.
BBC have killed their golden goose. Plonkers.
He was the one who reported the incident apparently - what were the BBC supposed to do, given his own comments about 'one more thing and I'm fired' previously? Seriously, what were they supposed to do? Short of going back in time and 'better managing their talent' (a suggestion I've seen), I am genuinely confused what the BBC have actually done that is objectionable in any way. The phrase 'felt they had no choice' seems peppered throughout the piece and is hard to dispute, so as much as some people hate the BBC for all sorts of reasons, I don't even see how this plays into those reasons. It's not even one of those times where if someone doesn't like the BBC it makes sense to blame them for X situation.
The 'better management' is exactly what they should have done. There is a school of thought within the BBC that hated Clarkson no matter how much money he bought in for them and who wanted him out. The prick Danny Cohen is one of them. As such they have been looking at every turn for opportunities to dump him and of course he was daft enough to give them the chance.
Of course they are now going to say they regret what the 'have' to do. But they are the ones who have orchestrated this over the last few years.
Reading that I do hope Evans says no. Not sure it would be a sound career move to be seen to be taking over in those circumstances.
It'll be dependent if Captain Slow and the Hamster stay or not.
I said I hope Evans doesn't take it because I like him and don't want to see him fail. And fail he will - particularly if Hammond and May stay. The whole dynamic will be wrong. Top Gear as it stands is dead on the BBC if Clarkson is gone. They can keep the name and relaunch it as another car programme but it will certainly not be the programme it was and I suspect (or at least hope) the Terrible Trio will be making that programme for some other broadcaster.
That is why I believe ITV will be the biggest winner of all this, Top Gear can increase it's operating profit by 20% if it moves to ITV or by a much smaller margin if simply the competition goes belly up, either way the BBC competitors are the big winner of this.
And of course Dave, which will now be the only place to watch Top Gear in its popular format.
Comments
Would anyone find it useful to have a website (maybe called propbet.org or something similar) that would allow them to record and betting offers that they make people on websites - basically allow you to record bet proposition, odds, stake, who and where the bet was made?
Some facility for setting a settlement date reminder e-mail and a double confirmation system from the participants to say the bet has been settled and paid out.
Absolutely no money handling of any sort done through the site - just a simpe system to help record gentelamn's wagers.
"I is Crap"
Poor chap.
'As a Guardian reader for over 50 years and a Downe resident for over 20 years, including eight years as landlord of the Queen’s Head, I find your article (Big trouble in middle England, G2, 24 March) disappointing, to say the least. This was in no way a political demonstration but an ill-disciplined, attention-seeking rabble with no thought of other people’s safety or enjoyment. They booked the George & Dragon under false pretences for larger numbers and purposes than it is suitable for, thereby ruining normal customers’ afternoon enjoyment
A large number of families use this pub and the Queen’s Head for a peaceful Sunday lunch and social gatherings. Young children with their parents (including the Farage children) were terrified by these events. Mr Farage remained calm during these so-called demonstrations and certainly had no minders, heavies or aides with him. Your correspondent omits the fact that the driver of the hired coach refused to transport the rabble back to Bromley, worried about their behaviour and no doubt his safety. Also, the article does not take into consideration the damage caused to the business and reputation of these well-run pubs. I’m not, of course, going to stop buying or reading the Guardian, but hope for a return to more balanced and objective reporting.
Alan Dear
Downe, Kent'
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/24/ill-disciplined-rabble-in-anti-farage-protest?CMP=share_btn_tw
Is effectively a proxy on the other side of our bet.
Long links screw the page formatting.
Please use url shorteners or anchor tags.
Mods. Surely the site config can be tweaked to fix this?
"hope for a return to more balanced and objective reporting"
LOL
F**k em. They should be made to run as a paid subscription service. Then they would actually have to take some responsibility for the money they spend.
Just for fun I forecast a sympathy for Dave 1% Tory lead
Always looking for a new project.
Having been in earshot of some BBC bods last week, the conversation I overhead about Jezza and the BBC was
"The marriage is shit, but the sex is amazing, but you need a loving marriage"
'Police and demonstrators clashed after a "mini riot" broke out in a busy high street.
Members of the Kurdish community clashed with demonstrators at an Islamic Roadshow stall in High Road, Wood Green, yesterday at around 5pm.
Police were called to the town centre as arguments broke out between the two groups when the Kurdish people walked through Wood Green to the Kurdish Community Centre as part of Newroz - the traditional Iranian new year celebration.
Muslim activist Anjem Choudary, known for being an advocate of Sharia Law, was among groups hosting the Islamic Roadshow stall, who were heard promoting Sharia law and urging Muslims not to vote while handing out leaflets from their tent outside Boots.'
http://m.haringeyindependent.co.uk/news/11872146.VIDEO__Police_and_demonstrators_clash_in_high_street__mini_riot_/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/11493270/Jeremy-Clarkson-to-be-sacked-by-the-BBC.html
Looks like those who took part and gave interviews were lying as all of the eye witness accounts confirm Nigel's children were present and the witnesses were intimidated and fearful for their own families safety.
Oh well you can't win or lose much I guess, fair enough
Not our bets but do you know how a Ukip v lib dem vote share bet would be settled if say both got 10% but really it was 9.77 vs 9.9?
Do we go on the actual two decimal places or the rounded headline figure?
So, yes, housing shortages really are the Tories' fault.
Super Yougov is in Times tomorrow. All I know is big sample of 6,000, close at UK level and big SNP lead in Scotland.
Are we meant to know that, or are you over-communicating again?
PS, the houses sold off still exist. They still have people living in them.
You need re-chipping.
Hope his kids don't play up, or that Rent a Mob doesn't manage to find some an ill assorted bunch of malcontents to heckle him all the way to the infant school and back.
Perhaps ITV or C4 might invite Farage to do a series of Come Dine With Me.
You cant be jailed for non payment of a licence.
Honestly, I like Clarkson, and I even appreciate how in contrast to the usual celeb in these situations going silent he's continued to crack gags and the like, but the clamouring of some on the right to frothing levels of conspiracies and rage, and using it as a stick to beat the BBC with when there are much easier things to use as sticks, has been nothing short of insufferable.
The housing crisis is largely caused by (a) increase in population (immigration), (b) Brown's credit-bubble, and (c) damage to pensions making people look to buy-to-let as investments.
Blaming Thatcher for that takes a special kind of thinking.
Be good if we could select oldest first / newest first as it would save me ages trying to load wads of comments to get to the 1st post on each thread so I can then read I chronological order. Other sites manage it so it should be possible?
Appalling Prime Minister. Still living with the fallout.
A show I don't watch by the way! Not a petrol head
YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour and Tories still tied: CON 35%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 12%, GRN 6%
Read and digest
Hows that majority working out for you?
But it is inconceivable to me that a government organisation should be competing with private sector ones to supply a service that the market is quite capable of providing on its own.
And don't give me that "oh, but we need Radio 4" shit. If there is a demand for it, the market will provide it.
If people see UKIP falling, and they also see Con and Lab are close, there is every chance that people who may have been inclined to vote UKIP will "give up" and switch back to their preferred option of Con or Lab.
Make him apologise for his behaviour and put it right with the producer somehow.
Send him on a Respect In The Workplace course.
More council houses were sold between 1990 and 2014 then between 1980 and 1990. So there isnt even a correlation for you to draw a false causation from.
It needs one side to run out of reserves, and then for that to be quickly exploited with new weaponry, in a final coordinated combined arms assault.
This includes a huge proportion of Lib Dems but also many Ukip and even some Labour supporters.
The PM’s standing went up with 26 per cent of 18 to 24-year-olds.
Garbage. Top Gear is a pin prick to the BBC. What's more the chances are that Top Gear 2 will be more popular than the original. Never underestimate the talent at the BBC. Almost everything they have ever touched has turned to gold. Quite simply as a broadcaster thy're in a class of their own
Of course they are now going to say they regret what the 'have' to do. But they are the ones who have orchestrated this over the last few years.
And of course Dave, which will now be the only place to watch Top Gear in its popular format.