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  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    isam said:

    antifrank said:

    isam said:


    You misunderstand what I am saying, and are proving nothing with your tables. You are proving a point that I am not questioning

    I am not saying he is unpopular with his own supporters, I am saying he is popular because he is the Conservative PM rather than any identifiable quality.. they like him because he is their guy and he is PM, because he stopped the PM being a Labour guy as it had for 13 years

    Ascribing qualities to him personally misses that point, and when asked, Conservative voters didn't unanimously say he was specifcally good at anything

    There are multiple difficulties with that theory:

    1) David Cameron is more popular than his party, and has been so pretty consistently for a long time. So it's not just that he's Conservative leader - he clearly appeals to a considerable number of voters for other reasons.

    2) His approval ratings both with his party and with the wider electorate have fluctuated over the years but seem to be on an upward trend. There wouldn't be any great variation in his ratings if your theory of slavish adoration by the Conservative public had anything much in it.

    3) You assume that the only attributes that the public value in a Prime Minister are those listed. That seems a very dangerous and almost certainly incorrect assumption to me.

    4) As Richard Nabavi correctly points out, people will answer this type of multiple selection question in varying ways when polled.
    If 10 friends of yours were asked

    "Is Alastair

    Witty
    Clever
    Handsome
    Attractive
    Kind
    Generous
    Articulate

    Tick as many as you feel apply"

    And you didn't get 5 ticks in any category, would you be pleased? If it were me I would be disappointed, but we are all different

    I'd not be asking for a recount in the handsome column.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    edited March 2015
    Roger said:
    One must admit that Tymon has a face that begs battery, at minimum.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    Roger said:

    David Evershed

    "If two collegues fall out it is a matter between them."

    The star of the show and the assistant producer are not collegues. The BBC will use assistant producer to describe anyone from PA to the person who cleans the cars.

    The BBC said the producer was a man - but what kind of man hides behind their employer in this petty dispute?
    Can we presume that you would have a relaxed attitude towards being punched by a colleague in the course of your work duties and wouldnt expect your employer to intervene in any way?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,232

    Roger said:
    One must admit that Tymon has a face that begs battery.
    That's not cool.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,024
    Neil said:

    Roger said:

    David Evershed

    "If two collegues fall out it is a matter between them."

    The star of the show and the assistant producer are not collegues. The BBC will use assistant producer to describe anyone from PA to the person who cleans the cars.

    The BBC said the producer was a man - but what kind of man hides behind their employer in this petty dispute?
    Can we presume that you would have a relaxed attitude towards being punched by a colleague in the course of your work duties and wouldnt expect your employer to intervene in any way?
    Indeed. The only work situation outside competitive fighting you can get away with that, if it happens, is in Hollywood I believe.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    RobD said:

    Roger said:
    One must admit that Tymon has a face that begs battery.
    That's not cool.
    Moniker's just jealous that Oisin still has his good looks.

  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited March 2015
    TGOHF said:

    Roger said:

    David Evershed

    "If two collegues fall out it is a matter between them."

    The star of the show and the assistant producer are not collegues. The BBC will use assistant producer to describe anyone from PA to the person who cleans the cars.

    The BBC said the producer was a man - but what kind of man hides behind their employer in this petty dispute?
    Pretty clear his union rep got involved...
    Genius. There could be a whole crew looking for new jobs soon, if the production gets shut down. Will the union help then?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062
    BJO

    Fandabidozi

    Did you see it or did it disappear?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    TGOHF said:

    Roger said:

    David Evershed

    "If two collegues fall out it is a matter between them."

    The star of the show and the assistant producer are not collegues. The BBC will use assistant producer to describe anyone from PA to the person who cleans the cars.

    The BBC said the producer was a man - but what kind of man hides behind their employer in this petty dispute?
    Pretty clear his union rep got involved...
    Genius. There could be a whole crew looking for new jobs soon, if the production gets shut down. Will the union help then?
    Is there a line Clarkson could have crossed that even you would have felt justified some form of intervention? Killing the first born child of every female member of staff perhaps?

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,624
    edited March 2015
    I have to say I don't know if I would like to work in some places of work of other posters.

    Excuse me boss, I disagree with our marketing strategy for the upcoming product launch...BAM right in the kisser.

    Excuse me boss, it seems the catering have been delayed delivering the sandwiches for the lunchtime presentation....WHAM right in the nuts

    Maybe some posters have Joey Barton as their boss?

  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    chestnut said:

    isam said:

    The point is it shows no one thinks he is particularly great at anything.. they like him because he is the Conservative PM

    Quietly competent and a safe pair of hands isn't a bad thing to be.

    God forbid we have someone who wants to stride the global stage starting wars all over the place, or whose meddling and general buffoonery is likely to collapse the banking system and bankrupt NHS trusts with PFI vanity projects.
    My wife is an anesthesiologist (anesthetist in US speak). Your post reminded me of what she often says about her cases - "Boring is good". Exciting cases are rarely good for the patient.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,738
    Neil said:

    Killing the first born child of every female member of staff perhaps?

    I think that might be going a bit far.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,772
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @FrancisUrquhart
    Or possibly they are more mouth than trousers?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,772
    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:

    Roger said:

    David Evershed

    "If two collegues fall out it is a matter between them."

    The star of the show and the assistant producer are not collegues. The BBC will use assistant producer to describe anyone from PA to the person who cleans the cars.

    The BBC said the producer was a man - but what kind of man hides behind their employer in this petty dispute?
    Pretty clear his union rep got involved...
    Genius. There could be a whole crew looking for new jobs soon, if the production gets shut down. Will the union help then?
    Is there a line Clarkson could have crossed that even you would have felt justified some form of intervention? Killing the first born child of every female member of staff perhaps?

    Bloody Unions have put a stop to all that minor slaying stuff at work.

    Disgraceful political correct nonsense.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/11/iraqi-forces-poised-recapture-tikrit-isis

    Multi ethnic iraqi force poised to push IS out of Tikrit. Wonder how the Iraqi government will mess this up.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,772
    Alistair said:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/11/iraqi-forces-poised-recapture-tikrit-isis

    Multi ethnic iraqi force poised to push IS out of Tikrit. Wonder how the Iraqi government will mess this up.

    Send in Jezza
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    edited March 2015
    Neil said:

    RobD said:

    Roger said:
    One must admit that Tymon has a face that begs battery.
    That's not cool.
    Moniker's just jealous that Oisin still has his good looks.

    </blockquote

    Oisin Tymon, dear God.
    There's some raw work done at the baptismal font, Neil.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,024
    Can I admit to being a little surprised at how much play this Clarkson business is getting on political websites? Nothing wrong with that, not at all, but it's a guy with a history of incidents being accused of another incident - even with him not being liked by the left, it doesn't at this point seem that politically controversial yet. But in fairness I'm only picking up the information via osmosis.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited March 2015
    Unibet, difficult to get on with I suppose, are 5/1 Cavani to be shown a card tonight

    I think that is big but wait for teams

  • So are you suggesting that people are incapable of following the survey instructions and instead decide to do their own thing?

    It seems to me that if it says 'Tick All That Apply' and people then don't tick some of them then it is reasonable to believe that that actually means they don't think those qualities apply rather than they can't be bothered to fill in the survey properly.

    As I said, look at other examples of this sort of question being asked, and you will see that I am right.

    Respondents are not being stupid. They are, not unreasonably, answering a question which appears to asking about 'what sort of person is Cameron?'. They have been asked firstly to 'think about David Cameron'. Following that instruction, they then select the characteristics which most closely match their thoughts about him. They are selecting the strongest matches.

    As I said, this is pretty basic stuff in terms of the psychology of people responding to surveys.
    Well given then that the results of such questions therefore are purely interpretative and cannot be taken at face value it begs the question why pollsters bother with them because from the way you are presenting it, it is impossible to determine which characteristics people don't feel apply and those which they didn't feel were important enough to them to tick. If you are right then such results are not worth the paper they are written on.

    If that were the case I would have thought pollsters would have developed some sort of weighting to take account of the psychological phenomena you refer to else it would surely become common knowledge that such polling was meaningless
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,772
    edited March 2015
    23k in 16 mins?


    Should be close
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,772
    edited March 2015
    22k in 15

    Could be close
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,772
    21k in 13 mins

    Might be achievable
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062
    edited March 2015
    An article by Peter Oborne well worth revisiting

    'It was called the Chipping Norton set, an incestuous collection of louche, affluent, power-hungry and amoral Londoners, located in and around the Prime Minister’s Oxfordshire constituency............'

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peteroborne/100095686/david-cameron-is-in-the-sewer-because-of-his-news-international-friends/
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,232

    21k in 13 mins

    Might be achievable

    titter.....
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,132
    Mr. kle4, it's probably related to political correctness and, to an extent, a left/right split.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited March 2015
    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:

    Roger said:

    David Evershed

    "If two collegues fall out it is a matter between them."

    The star of the show and the assistant producer are not collegues. The BBC will use assistant producer to describe anyone from PA to the person who cleans the cars.

    The BBC said the producer was a man - but what kind of man hides behind their employer in this petty dispute?
    Pretty clear his union rep got involved...
    Genius. There could be a whole crew looking for new jobs soon, if the production gets shut down. Will the union help then?
    Is there a line Clarkson could have crossed that even you would have felt justified some form of intervention? Killing the first born child of every female member of staff perhaps?

    TBH, I couldn't really care about him, nor the show.

    The real entertainment is watching the BBC twist itself into gordian knots, as it tries to solve the tricky problem of how to save the worlds most successful factual programme, and a revenue stream worth £150 million. That's quite a few 'Suit' salaries swirling around the plughole.

    They've slashed every other department to ribbons, and outsourced the majority of production, so it will be small justice to see some of the great and the good in W1 finally get the boot.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,772
    20K IN 10 MINS

    Unlikelier than a LAB Maj
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,132
    Mr. Owls, no, it isn't :p
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,024

    Mr. kle4, it's probably related to political correctness and, to an extent, a left/right split.

    Well sure, and he is a big name, but it's not as though we generally lack triggers for debates on PCness between the nonsense left/right split. The intensity surprises me.

    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:

    Roger said:

    David Evershed

    "If two collegues fall out it is a matter between them."

    The star of the show and the assistant producer are not collegues. The BBC will use assistant producer to describe anyone from PA to the person who cleans the cars.

    The BBC said the producer was a man - but what kind of man hides behind their employer in this petty dispute?
    Pretty clear his union rep got involved...
    Genius. There could be a whole crew looking for new jobs soon, if the production gets shut down. Will the union help then?
    Is there a line Clarkson could have crossed that even you would have felt justified some form of intervention? Killing the first born child of every female member of staff perhaps?

    The real entertainment is watching the BBC twist itself into gordian knots, as it tries to solve the tricky problem of how to save the worlds most successful factual programme, and a revenue stream worth £150 million. That's quite a few 'Suit' salaries swirling around the plughole.
    This, at least, I can agree with wholeheartedly. Maybe he's crossed a line, maybe he was told next time he did something he was out, but there is just so much money at stake that there is no way they actually wanted this, but have to do something.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,232

    20K IN 10 MINS

    Unlikelier than a LAB Maj

    How about compared with the probability of EICIPM?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,024
    SeanT said:

    22k in 15

    Could be close

    Unless they think it's so important, they run it first?
    It's about the BBC itself, if an embarrassment, so I wouldn't be surprised if they gave it top billing.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,772
    17k IN 6 Mins

    More likely that Sean Thomas wrote the Ragged Trousered Philanthropists
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,624
    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    22k in 15

    Could be close

    Unless they think it's so important, they run it first?
    It's about the BBC itself, if an embarrassment, so I wouldn't be surprised if they gave it top billing.
    Not the debate about the debates? They have been pointing at an empty chair most of today.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,772
    RobD said:

    20K IN 10 MINS

    Unlikelier than a LAB Maj

    How about compared with the probability of EICIPM?
    I am not familiar with that term!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,232
    edited March 2015

    RobD said:

    20K IN 10 MINS

    Unlikelier than a LAB Maj

    How about compared with the probability of EICIPM?
    I am not familiar with that term!
    Okay, what did you do with Mr Owls?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,024

    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    22k in 15

    Could be close

    Unless they think it's so important, they run it first?
    It's about the BBC itself, if an embarrassment, so I wouldn't be surprised if they gave it top billing.
    Not the debate about the debates? They have been pointing at an empty chair most of today.
    Different types of story I guess - that one has been dragged along, bubbling along, for weeks if not months, and the broadcasters want it to go on even longer, so they maybe don't want it top billing every day. Just a guess.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,754
    SeanT said:

    As far as I can see, about 1000 people a minute, at least, are right now signing the Clarkson petition.

    Imagine if politics could generate such interest.

    Do you have a crush on Clarkson
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,772
    SeanT said:

    kle4 said:

    Mr. kle4, it's probably related to political correctness and, to an extent, a left/right split.

    Well sure, and he is a big name, but it's not as though we generally lack triggers for debates on PCness between the nonsense left/right split. The intensity surprises me.

    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:

    Roger said:

    David Evershed

    "If two collegues fall out it is a matter between them."

    The star of the show and the assistant producer are not collegues. The BBC will use assistant producer to describe anyone from PA to the person who cleans the cars.

    The BBC said the producer was a man - but what kind of man hides behind their employer in this petty dispute?
    Pretty clear his union rep got involved...
    Genius. There could be a whole crew looking for new jobs soon, if the production gets shut down. Will the union help then?
    Is there a line Clarkson could have crossed that even you would have felt justified some form of intervention? Killing the first born child of every female member of staff perhaps?

    The real entertainment is watching the BBC twist itself into gordian knots, as it tries to solve the tricky problem of how to save the worlds most successful factual programme, and a revenue stream worth £150 million. That's quite a few 'Suit' salaries swirling around the plughole.
    This, at least, I can agree with wholeheartedly. Maybe he's crossed a line, maybe he was told next time he did something he was out, but there is just so much money at stake that there is no way they actually wanted this, but have to do something.
    5 of the 10 most read stories on the BBC website right now are about Clarkson/Top Gear. The top story is news that the petition has reached 400,000

    It is, bizarrely, quite a Big Thing.
    I agree with ST Jezza is "a big thing"
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,448
    I don't think it matters whether the BBC says almost half a million or over half a million. The figure is staggering and there hasn't been popular public support for an online petition since over a million people signed against some other motoring issue. I think it was pay as you drive taxation or maybe a duty rise.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062
    Sean

    "There is also no comparison between what I do: create, and what you do: make commercials for tampons and breakfast cereals."

    They've produced an excellent cover for you by the way. I've no doubt it's the best part of the book
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,024
    MaxPB said:

    I don't think it matters whether the BBC says almost half a million or over half a million.

    They should hedge their bets and say 'around' half a million. Balance.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,132
    Mr. Max, no idea if you'll have an inside line on this, but I'm contemplating getting a PS4, but have a bad history of buying a console shortly before a new, better version hits the market. Any idea if we're due a new PS4 model?
  • Paul_Mid_BedsPaul_Mid_Beds Posts: 1,409
    edited March 2015
    SeanT said:


    It's because it IS political. The left hoped to finally sack Clarkson because they REALLY DO dislike him, the same way they hate Farage, most Tories, Murdoch, etc.

    However the viewers/voters are now seeing this - especially the petition - to say a big F U to the liberal elite and political correctness.

    It's a minor incident in itself, yet it is emblematic of a wider struggle.

    Yes, people are fed up with having the liberal elites moral norms enforced on them to the extent of criminalising deviations from them. They resent both the liberal elite telling them what they must disapprove of, what they mustn't disapprove of (in most cases the opposite of 50 years ago) and how they can deal with those under their charge who do things they disapprove of.

    While I'm not sure it was ever acceptable to strike or attempt to strike a work colleague, what is new to this era is that such an (alleged action) would have been sorted locally by either the parties sorting it out between themselves before they went home (or settling it with a fight on the common outside the factory after work) or the foreman instantly dismissing the person striking their colleague. Months of people suspended on full pay while ovepaid HR bods have endless meetings to agonise over what to do and write reams of reports is the modern malaise in this case.

    In summary the encroacment of the state and legal processes into day to day social interaction is what is bitterly resented.

    60 years ago a teacher, parent or foreman would generally have sorted any assualts (basically anything other than grevious body harm, or actual body harm needing hospital treatment) committed domestically within the institution of work, school or home as they saw fit (usually by thumping the miscreant themselves) with no right to haul the foreman teacher or parent to court. It was quicker, less stresssful to everyone and most important, meant taxes were lower as there wasn't a whole industry of social workers, lawyers, and domestic violence police at huge public expense).
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,024

    I'm contemplating getting a PS4, but have a bad history of buying a console shortly before a new, better version hits the market.

    Ugh, you're reminding me of when I bought a PS3 about a month before the slimmer models with larger harddrives came out. So irritating.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,624
    Clarkson arrived at the Simonstone Hall Hotel last Wednesday night to find that dinner service had ended and the chef had gone home.

    A source said the Top Gear team had been expected for dinner at 8pm but did not arrive until around two hours later. It was during a row over the meal that producer Oisin Tymon was allegedly punched.

    The hotel’s general managet Robert Scott said: "It was mid-week and the whole crew stayed for several nights."
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,772
    MaxPB said:

    I don't think it matters whether the BBC says almost half a million or over half a million. The figure is staggering and there hasn't been popular public support for an online petition since over a million people signed against some other motoring issue. I think it was pay as you drive taxation or maybe a duty rise.

    Half a Million people Chicken Feed

    When I were a lad 2 million people marched against the Iraq war.

    Ad to walk over broken glass anall

    The kids of today dont know they're born sat at ome signing online petitions.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,754
    Pulpstar said:

    Well Sire De Grugy beat Sprinter Sacre I suppose :S

    Pretty poor renewal though, no offence to Somersby but showed it was a fairly modest renewal. Champagne Fever would have probably run close.

    Yes I did wrong Nicholl's horse , had Sire Collonges. Another close day, 2nd at 7-1 , winner at 9-1 and 3rd nowhere. Still have come out a little ahead on both days so far which is an achievement.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,772
    12K in minus 5 mins

    Epic Fail
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,132
    Mr. kle4, I did exactly the same thing.

    I'm tempted to take the plunge, but I have no idea, with install sizes, whether 500GB is delightful or will prove as tricky as the 40GB PS3.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Clarkson arrived at the Simonstone Hall Hotel last Wednesday night to find that dinner service had ended and the chef had gone home.

    A source said the Top Gear team had been expected for dinner at 8pm but did not arrive until around two hours later. It was during a row over the meal that producer Oisin Tymon was allegedly punched.

    The hotel’s general managet Robert Scott said: "It was mid-week and the whole crew stayed for several nights."

    Fawlty Towers meets Drop the Dead Donkey?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,448

    Mr. Max, no idea if you'll have an inside line on this, but I'm contemplating getting a PS4, but have a bad history of buying a console shortly before a new, better version hits the market. Any idea if we're due a new PS4 model?

    Not for a while. There might be an internal revision coming soon, but no external change due until 2017 AIUI.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,024
    SeanT said:

    Roger said:

    Sean

    "There is also no comparison between what I do: create, and what you do: make commercials for tampons and breakfast cereals."

    They've produced an excellent cover for you by the way. I've no doubt it's the best part of the book

    But PS, you're right about the cover tho. It's brilliant. I got lucky.

    I only wish the Americans had used the same one, but they've gone "upmarket".

    *sigh*
    I'd heard that was a common thing in publishing, american covers being worse, but couldn't really see the reason for it being given, if it is indeed normal. Different ideas of classiness?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,738
    malcolmg said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Well Sire De Grugy beat Sprinter Sacre I suppose :S

    Pretty poor renewal though, no offence to Somersby but showed it was a fairly modest renewal. Champagne Fever would have probably run close.

    Yes I did wrong Nicholl's horse , had Sire Collonges. Another close day, 2nd at 7-1 , winner at 9-1 and 3rd nowhere. Still have come out a little ahead on both days so far which is an achievement.
    Only bet for tommorow is Vautour for me.

    Got on Don Poli for the 2016 Gold Cup too. Silvianaco Conti is the best horse in this year's race but he just doesn't like the hill, so no bet I reckon.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,132
    edited March 2015
    Mr. Max, thanks very much for that answer :)

    Edited extra bit: now I'm just faced with the unexpected moral choice of black or white. I know what Michael Jackson said, but still....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,624
    edited March 2015

    Clarkson arrived at the Simonstone Hall Hotel last Wednesday night to find that dinner service had ended and the chef had gone home.

    A source said the Top Gear team had been expected for dinner at 8pm but did not arrive until around two hours later. It was during a row over the meal that producer Oisin Tymon was allegedly punched.

    The hotel’s general managet Robert Scott said: "It was mid-week and the whole crew stayed for several nights."

    Fawlty Towers meets Drop the Dead Donkey?

    Clarkson arrived at the Simonstone Hall Hotel last Wednesday night to find that dinner service had ended and the chef had gone home.

    A source said the Top Gear team had been expected for dinner at 8pm but did not arrive until around two hours later. It was during a row over the meal that producer Oisin Tymon was allegedly punched.

    The hotel’s general managet Robert Scott said: "It was mid-week and the whole crew stayed for several nights."

    Fawlty Towers meets Drop the Dead Donkey?
    Exclusive CCTV image of the incident,

    http://i.thisis.co.uk/274080/binaries/fawlty2.jpg
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,754
    Pulpstar said:

    malcolmg said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Well Sire De Grugy beat Sprinter Sacre I suppose :S

    Pretty poor renewal though, no offence to Somersby but showed it was a fairly modest renewal. Champagne Fever would have probably run close.

    Yes I did wrong Nicholl's horse , had Sire Collonges. Another close day, 2nd at 7-1 , winner at 9-1 and 3rd nowhere. Still have come out a little ahead on both days so far which is an achievement.
    Only bet for tommorow is Vautour for me.

    Got on Don Poli for the 2016 Gold Cup too. Silvianaco Conti is the best horse in this year's race but he just doesn't like the hill, so no bet I reckon.
    Ptit Zig will make it hard for Vautour. Think Nicholl's could have another couple tomorrow. Tough choice between his 2 in the 15:20
    Think it will Ptit Zig and probably Saphir de Rheu for me, but maybe Zarkander.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    SeanT said:

    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    Roger said:

    Sean

    "There is also no comparison between what I do: create, and what you do: make commercials for tampons and breakfast cereals."

    They've produced an excellent cover for you by the way. I've no doubt it's the best part of the book

    But PS, you're right about the cover tho. It's brilliant. I got lucky.

    I only wish the Americans had used the same one, but they've gone "upmarket".

    *sigh*
    I'd heard that was a common thing in publishing, american covers being worse, but couldn't really see the reason for it being given, if it is indeed normal. Different ideas of classiness?
    Exactly right. It's bizarre because in many other ways American publishers are superior to UK publishers (thanks to greater resources?), they take more time over editing, they are often more individually dedicated to books, even paper quality is often better.

    Yet their covers.... I guess it's just a different public with different tastes. Bizarre that they should differ so much tho (by contrast European publishers are generally very happy to take the often excellent UK covers).
    SeanT - alas my book did not get a US print run - HarperCollins used the UK version - which had a great cover - in the US markets. However, the German print had a truly dreadful cover.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,302
    Has the change.org petition site crashed again?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,739
    edited March 2015
    dr_spyn said:

    Has the change.org petition site crashed again?

    It had for five or ten minutes but it is up again now..... [edited] or not
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,548
    This event - http://www.independent.co.uk/livelondon/# - is happening next Tuesday.

    Coincidentally, Maajid Nawaz has just asked Galloway whether he's libelled him - http://hurryupharry.org/2015/03/11/galloway-libels-liberal-muslim/.

    It might make a good intro to the PB drinks later on........
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    Clarkson arrived at the Simonstone Hall Hotel last Wednesday night to find that dinner service had ended and the chef had gone home.

    A source said the Top Gear team had been expected for dinner at 8pm but did not arrive until around two hours later. It was during a row over the meal that producer Oisin Tymon was allegedly punched.

    The hotel’s general managet Robert Scott said: "It was mid-week and the whole crew stayed for several nights."

    Fawlty Towers meets Drop the Dead Donkey?

    Clarkson arrived at the Simonstone Hall Hotel last Wednesday night to find that dinner service had ended and the chef had gone home.

    A source said the Top Gear team had been expected for dinner at 8pm but did not arrive until around two hours later. It was during a row over the meal that producer Oisin Tymon was allegedly punched.

    The hotel’s general managet Robert Scott said: "It was mid-week and the whole crew stayed for several nights."

    Fawlty Towers meets Drop the Dead Donkey?
    Exclusive CCTV image of the incident,

    http://i.thisis.co.uk/274080/binaries/fawlty2.jpg
    A picture featuring the great Andrew Sachs whose family was publicly denigrated and harmed by malignant leftist BBC clowns.

  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Alistair said:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/11/iraqi-forces-poised-recapture-tikrit-isis

    Multi ethnic iraqi force poised to push IS out of Tikrit. Wonder how the Iraqi government will mess this up.

    Send in Jezza
    He has been there already - a few Christmases ago. I suspect in the midst of their other troubles a few Iraqis will be signing the petition
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,624
    Cyclefree said:

    This event - http://www.independent.co.uk/livelondon/# - is happening next Tuesday.

    Coincidentally, Maajid Nawaz has just asked Galloway whether he's libelled him - http://hurryupharry.org/2015/03/11/galloway-libels-liberal-muslim/.

    It might make a good intro to the PB drinks later on........

    Galloway might need all those £5k's he has been collecting from people being nasty about him on twitter...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,232

    12K in minus 5 mins

    Epic Fail

    The website has crashed.. obviously due to high demand to sign the petition.. epic fail indeed ;)
  • SeanT said:

    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    Roger said:

    Sean

    "There is also no comparison between what I do: create, and what you do: make commercials for tampons and breakfast cereals."

    They've produced an excellent cover for you by the way. I've no doubt it's the best part of the book

    But PS, you're right about the cover tho. It's brilliant. I got lucky.

    I only wish the Americans had used the same one, but they've gone "upmarket".

    *sigh*
    I'd heard that was a common thing in publishing, american covers being worse, but couldn't really see the reason for it being given, if it is indeed normal. Different ideas of classiness?
    Exactly right. It's bizarre because in many other ways American publishers are superior to UK publishers (thanks to greater resources?), they take more time over editing, they are often more individually dedicated to books, even paper quality is often better.

    Yet their covers.... I guess it's just a different public with different tastes. Bizarre that they should differ so much tho (by contrast European publishers are generally very happy to take the often excellent UK covers).
    I didn't realise you'd written a new one so I have just downloaded it to read on the Tube home tonight.

    What was the rationale behind the new pen name?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,548

    Cyclefree said:

    This event - http://www.independent.co.uk/livelondon/# - is happening next Tuesday.

    Coincidentally, Maajid Nawaz has just asked Galloway whether he's libelled him - http://hurryupharry.org/2015/03/11/galloway-libels-liberal-muslim/.

    It might make a good intro to the PB drinks later on........

    Galloway might need all those £5k's he has been collecting from people being nasty about him on twitter...
    Frankly were I Galloway I'd be wary about going into a courtroom to be asked about my attitude to Jews.......but as I don't want to get OGH into trouble I will say no more.

    MODERATORS: if you think necessary I'm happy to delete.

  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062
    "Fawlty Towers meets Drop the Dead Donkey?"

    That's funny! I once had a male and female model who by coincidence both happened to be vegans. For four days in Madrid they'd lived off bananas and mashed potatoes. On this particular night we arrived back to the hotel late and the male just lost it and lots of cutlery went flying. He'd asked for bananas with black spots and they'd just supplied greenish yellow bananas but by this time they were both starving.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    edited March 2015
    SeanT said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Has the change.org petition site crashed again?

    It had for five or ten minutes but it is up again now..... [edited] or not
    It's down again, presumably it's getting an after work surge as people watch the BBC news ABOUT the anti-BBC petition then decide they want to sign it.

    The BBC is eating itself.


    Clarkson is enormously popular in North America. The great American public is speaking.

  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062
    Sean

    "But many many thanks for buying."

    I've just made you a sale! The biggest mistake of my career
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,624
    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    This event - http://www.independent.co.uk/livelondon/# - is happening next Tuesday.

    Coincidentally, Maajid Nawaz has just asked Galloway whether he's libelled him - http://hurryupharry.org/2015/03/11/galloway-libels-liberal-muslim/.

    It might make a good intro to the PB drinks later on........

    Galloway might need all those £5k's he has been collecting from people being nasty about him on twitter...
    Frankly were I Galloway I'd be wary about going into a courtroom to be asked about my attitude to Jews.......but as I don't want to get OGH into trouble I will say no more.

    MODERATORS: if you think necessary I'm happy to delete.

    Old George does very well these days, I am sure he can afford a tip top lawyer.

    £100k a year from Press TV and £100k a year from Al-Mayadeen TV.

    http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/11556866.George_Galloway__39_s_outside_earnings_third_highest_of_all_MPs/
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,548
    Isn't there a bit of over-egging of the Clarkson petition going on? It's hardly a Clash of Civilizations, is it?

    Most people signing it are signing it because:-

    1. They are annoyed at having a favourite programme taken off air.
    2. The bandwagon effect - everyone's signing so I'm going to sign also.

    It does not mean that all those people approve of people punching their colleagues nor that they think Farage should be PM nor that they are finally finding the courage to fight back against the oppressions of the Liberal-Left-EU-PC-Guardianista -fill in your own boo-group-classes.
  • That may be as good as it gets with yeti stories.

    I seem to remember reading a Philip Kerr novel 20 odd years ago involving yeti. He did an excellent job, as does Mr T and as does Frederick Forsyth, of blurring the line between what's factual and what's novel so thoroughly that you can't tell where he's left off relating facts and where he's started making it up.

    The trouble though with yeti stories is they live above the snowline and they do bugger all. Who cares?

    If anyone likes spy stories can I recommend Edward Wilson. He messes with your head.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,624
    edited March 2015
    Cyclefree said:

    Isn't there a bit of over-egging of the Clarkson petition going on? It's hardly a Clash of Civilizations, is it?

    Most people signing it are signing it because:-

    1. They are annoyed at having a favourite programme taken off air.
    2. The bandwagon effect - everyone's signing so I'm going to sign also.

    It does not mean that all those people approve of people punching their colleagues nor that they think Farage should be PM nor that they are finally finding the courage to fight back against the oppressions of the Liberal-Left-EU-PC-Guardianista -fill in your own boo-group-classes.

    The change.org petitions in general are a load of nonsense. There are all sorts of bonkers / niche ones on there with a decent number of "signatures".
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,548

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    This event - http://www.independent.co.uk/livelondon/# - is happening next Tuesday.

    Coincidentally, Maajid Nawaz has just asked Galloway whether he's libelled him - http://hurryupharry.org/2015/03/11/galloway-libels-liberal-muslim/.

    It might make a good intro to the PB drinks later on........

    Galloway might need all those £5k's he has been collecting from people being nasty about him on twitter...
    Frankly were I Galloway I'd be wary about going into a courtroom to be asked about my attitude to Jews.......but as I don't want to get OGH into trouble I will say no more.

    MODERATORS: if you think necessary I'm happy to delete.

    Old George does very well these days, I am sure he can afford a tip top lawyer.

    £100k a year from Press TV and £100k a year from Al-Mayadeen TV.

    http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/11556866.George_Galloway__39_s_outside_earnings_third_highest_of_all_MPs/
    It's not his ability to afford a lawyer I was querying.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,624
    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    This event - http://www.independent.co.uk/livelondon/# - is happening next Tuesday.

    Coincidentally, Maajid Nawaz has just asked Galloway whether he's libelled him - http://hurryupharry.org/2015/03/11/galloway-libels-liberal-muslim/.

    It might make a good intro to the PB drinks later on........

    Galloway might need all those £5k's he has been collecting from people being nasty about him on twitter...
    Frankly were I Galloway I'd be wary about going into a courtroom to be asked about my attitude to Jews.......but as I don't want to get OGH into trouble I will say no more.

    MODERATORS: if you think necessary I'm happy to delete.

    Old George does very well these days, I am sure he can afford a tip top lawyer.

    £100k a year from Press TV and £100k a year from Al-Mayadeen TV.

    http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/11556866.George_Galloway__39_s_outside_earnings_third_highest_of_all_MPs/
    It's not his ability to afford a lawyer I was querying.

    I know you weren't, just saying he could afford some tip top legal advice on tricky issues. But probably better not to go any further...
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,132
    Mr. Bond, must say I'm not that into yetis. Most modern day folklore (zombies, vampires, werewolves) doesn't do much for me, unless it's especially well-done (such as The Last Of Us).
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    SeanT said:

    MTimT said:

    SeanT said:

    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    Roger said:

    Sean

    "There is also no comparison between what I do: create, and what you do: make commercials for tampons and breakfast cereals."

    They've produced an excellent cover for you by the way. I've no doubt it's the best part of the book

    But PS, you're right about the cover tho. It's brilliant. I got lucky.

    I only wish the Americans had used the same one, but they've gone "upmarket".

    *sigh*
    I'd heard that was a common thing in publishing, american covers being worse, but couldn't really see the reason for it being given, if it is indeed normal. Different ideas of classiness?
    Exactly right. It's bizarre because in many other ways American publishers are superior to UK publishers (thanks to greater resources?), they take more time over editing, they are often more individually dedicated to books, even paper quality is often better.

    Yet their covers.... I guess it's just a different public with different tastes. Bizarre that they should differ so much tho (by contrast European publishers are generally very happy to take the often excellent UK covers).
    SeanT - alas my book did not get a US print run - HarperCollins used the UK version - which had a great cover - in the US markets. However, the German print had a truly dreadful cover.
    The worst cover I ever had (for my memoir) was my German paperback edition. Worse even than the Russian cover of Marks of Cain, which showed a naked woman being crucified in a church (something which never happens in the book, at any point, in any way).

    The German memoir was WORSE than that.

    When they want to the Germans can still really plumb the depths of naffness.



    Agreed. They changed the title, too, to something darker altogether.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,548

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    This event - http://www.independent.co.uk/livelondon/# - is happening next Tuesday.

    Coincidentally, Maajid Nawaz has just asked Galloway whether he's libelled him - http://hurryupharry.org/2015/03/11/galloway-libels-liberal-muslim/.

    It might make a good intro to the PB drinks later on........

    Galloway might need all those £5k's he has been collecting from people being nasty about him on twitter...
    Frankly were I Galloway I'd be wary about going into a courtroom to be asked about my attitude to Jews.......but as I don't want to get OGH into trouble I will say no more.

    MODERATORS: if you think necessary I'm happy to delete.

    Old George does very well these days, I am sure he can afford a tip top lawyer.

    £100k a year from Press TV and £100k a year from Al-Mayadeen TV.

    http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/11556866.George_Galloway__39_s_outside_earnings_third_highest_of_all_MPs/
    It's not his ability to afford a lawyer I was querying.

    I know you weren't, just saying he could afford some tip top legal advice on tricky issues. But probably better not to go any further...
    After Mrs Hodge - who has been royally criticised in pretty much all the papers today - he is someone I'd like to see taken down a peg or two.

    We should have a list of overrated egomaniacs whose balloons need pricking.

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,225
    Somehow I got onto the following link yesterday:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kempton_Bunton

    Non-payment of the TV licence is so passée. Just steal a painting instead. ;-)
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,302
    now Cameron wades in.

    Sky News Newsdesk ‏@SkyNewsBreak 5s6 seconds ago
    PM David Cameron who is Jeremy #Clarkson's MP says presenter is a "great talent" and hopes his suspension from Top Gear "can be sorted out"
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,132
    Greece threatens to seize Germany property:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31831694
  • Bond_James_BondBond_James_Bond Posts: 1,939
    edited March 2015
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    Roger said:

    Sean

    "There is also no comparison between what I do: create, and what you do: make commercials for tampons and breakfast cereals."

    They've produced an excellent cover for you by the way. I've no doubt it's the best part of the book

    But PS, you're right about the cover tho. It's brilliant. I got lucky.

    I only wish the Americans had used the same one, but they've gone "upmarket".

    *sigh*
    I'd heard that was a common thing in publishing, american covers being worse, but couldn't really see the reason for it being given, if it is indeed normal. Different ideas of classiness?
    Yet their covers.... I guess it's just a different public with different tastes. Bizarre that they should differ so much tho (by contrast European publishers are generally very happy to take the often excellent UK covers).
    I didn't realise you'd written a new one so I have just downloaded it to read on the Tube home tonight.

    What was the rationale behind the new pen name?
    A totally new kind of book needed a new pen name otherwise Tom Knox fans would feel utterly bewildered, even cheated. What no orang utan rape? What's all this crap about marital arguments? Where's the evil Mexican villain with the Chinese drugs that make you atheist?

    We went for that precise name because Tremayne is my grandmother's maiden name, and because S K is "gender neutral".

    Be warned, it really isn't like Tom Knox!

    But many many thanks for buying.

    The Tom Knox titles were actually not really my thing, but I find I enjoy reading anything as long as it's a well-executed example of its art. The dating novel was a hoot and somehow, probably lurking here, I had picked up the connection. I tried one, found it an enjoyable entertainment and bought the rest.

    I do not underestimate how bloody difficult those things are to write. A few years ago, when I was spending 25 hours a week on long haul flights, I attempted to use the dead time this involved for some creative writing of my own, for the first time since I did it at school. Despite several scintillating plot ideas (IM unbiased HO), I found it extraordinarily hard to structure anything that long. In particular I had no idea whether what I was writing was even interesting to read.

    Hence I remain a compliance officer.

    The Edward Wilson spy novels I mentioned are effective as historical novels but what is interesting is that none of them reconciles properly with each other, which is not a mistake.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    This event - http://www.independent.co.uk/livelondon/# - is happening next Tuesday.

    Coincidentally, Maajid Nawaz has just asked Galloway whether he's libelled him - http://hurryupharry.org/2015/03/11/galloway-libels-liberal-muslim/.

    It might make a good intro to the PB drinks later on........

    Galloway might need all those £5k's he has been collecting from people being nasty about him on twitter...
    Frankly were I Galloway I'd be wary about going into a courtroom to be asked about my attitude to Jews.......but as I don't want to get OGH into trouble I will say no more.

    MODERATORS: if you think necessary I'm happy to delete.

    Old George does very well these days, I am sure he can afford a tip top lawyer.

    £100k a year from Press TV and £100k a year from Al-Mayadeen TV.

    http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/11556866.George_Galloway__39_s_outside_earnings_third_highest_of_all_MPs/
    It's not his ability to afford a lawyer I was querying.

    I know you weren't, just saying he could afford some tip top legal advice on tricky issues. But probably better not to go any further...
    After Mrs Hodge - who has been royally criticised in pretty much all the papers today - he is someone I'd like to see taken down a peg or two.

    We should have a list of overrated egomaniacs whose balloons need pricking.

    Every time she gets above herself, someone should just mention Islington to her.

  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    dr_spyn said:

    now Cameron wades in.

    Sky News Newsdesk ‏@SkyNewsBreak 5s6 seconds ago
    PM David Cameron who is Jeremy #Clarkson's MP says presenter is a "great talent" and hopes his suspension from Top Gear "can be sorted out"

    Did He.. He was asked a question and gave a neutral(ish) response.
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    dr_spyn said:

    now Cameron wades in.

    Sky News Newsdesk ‏@SkyNewsBreak 5s6 seconds ago
    PM David Cameron who is Jeremy #Clarkson's MP says presenter is a "great talent" and hopes his suspension from Top Gear "can be sorted out"

    Was he in front of the sofa?
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,302
    All it needs now is Ed to demand a judge led inquiry into Clarksongate.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,624
    dr_spyn said:

    All it needs now is Ed to demand a judge led inquiry into Clarksongate.

    He is too busy being outraged at the fact the Mirror hacked Gazza's phone for 10 years...oh wait....what thats...tumbleweed....
  • Mr. Bond, must say I'm not that into yetis. Most modern day folklore (zombies, vampires, werewolves) doesn't do much for me, unless it's especially well-done (such as The Last Of Us).

    Sometimes it can be worth stepping outside the comfort zone and reading something you'd normally pass over. I read Cormac McCarthy's Blood Meridian and was utterly blown away by what is basically an art house western novel. OK it's more, much more, but readers of western novels would probably like it. That got me onto The Border Trilogy, The Road, No Country For Old Men, and so on.

    Westerns set in 1941, 1950 and 1980. What's not to like?

  • The idea that Clarkson could ever stop dragging his knuckles for long enough to punch anyone comes as something of a surprise.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,225

    dr_spyn said:

    All it needs now is Ed to demand a judge led inquiry into Clarksongate.

    He is too busy being outraged at the fact the Mirror hacked Gazza's phone for 10 years...oh wait....what thats...tumbleweed....
    I have little time for Gazza, but of all the Mirror hacking stories, his has annoyed me the most so far. He's a pathetic idiot, but he's also obviously fragile.

    But as usual, there is near silence from the left. I'll be (I think) the first to say it: the Mirror should be closed down.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    SW Yep, Clarkson is such a stupid neanderthal dimwit..so rich he could probably retire tomorrow.. What do you do.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,754

    Greece threatens to seize Germany property:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31831694

    They really are stupid and deluded.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,624
    edited March 2015

    dr_spyn said:

    All it needs now is Ed to demand a judge led inquiry into Clarksongate.

    He is too busy being outraged at the fact the Mirror hacked Gazza's phone for 10 years...oh wait....what thats...tumbleweed....
    I have little time for Gazza, but of all the Mirror hacking stories, his has annoyed me the most so far. He's a pathetic idiot, but he's also obviously fragile.

    But as usual, there is near silence from the left. I'll be (I think) the first to say it: the Mirror should be closed down.
    I actually had the misfortune of meeting Gazza many years ago, before his phone was hacked. He was a total mess, not helped by his friends / hangers on.

    It is now only the 11th most important story on the BBC website....that one of UK most famous footballers is claiming they had their phone hacked for 10 years and it ruined their life. When it was the NOTW at it, I some how doubt it would have been listed in the "and another very minor story today is..."
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,527
    edited March 2015
    dr_spyn said:

    now Cameron wades in.

    Sky News Newsdesk ‏@SkyNewsBreak 5s6 seconds ago
    PM David Cameron who is Jeremy #Clarkson's MP says presenter is a "great talent" and hopes his suspension from Top Gear "can be sorted out"

    The full quote:

    David Cameron tells BBC Midlands Today 'Jeremy Clarkson is a great talent, its a great programme, he's a friend so I hope it can be sorted out'.

    What are country supper friends for but to spout quease making platitudes in moments of crisis.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,148
    edited March 2015

    Greece threatens to seize Germany property:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31831694

    That's nothing. Their defence minister recently sad that - if the rest of the EU didn't accede to Greek demands - that Greece would flood Europe with illegal migrants "including jihadists".

    It's not clear how this threat would be delivered, or indeed where Greece was planning on sourcing the jihadists.

    It is fair to say that the rest of the Eurozone is beginning to shrug its shoulders and say "fuck it, let'em go."
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095

    dr_spyn said:

    now Cameron wades in.

    Sky News Newsdesk ‏@SkyNewsBreak 5s6 seconds ago
    PM David Cameron who is Jeremy #Clarkson's MP says presenter is a "great talent" and hopes his suspension from Top Gear "can be sorted out"

    The full quote:

    David Cameron tells BBC Midlands Today 'Jeremy Clarkson is a great talent, its a great programme, he's a friend so I hope it can be sorted out'.

    What are country supper friends for but to spout quease making platitudes in moments of crisis.

    OO Err missus. Is that the best you can do?
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