John O'Farrell @mrjohnofarrell 1h1 hour ago Culture Secretary blaming BBC for Clarkson 'fracas'. Now we have permission to punch Tories and then tell them they should manage us better.
Its the former culture secretary. Is she 'blaming' the BBC? Why not quote what she said rather than quote a headline? Where does anything she says make throwing punches acceptable? She said the programme should go ahead without Clarkson if necessary. ''his alleged behaviour is unacceptable''. She seems to be criticising the BBC for scrapping the programme.
Incidentally, I got a book by O'Farrell for Christmas (about modern history of Britain). It's the first book for several years I didn't bother reading much of, and I think the first book which was a present which I haven't finished.
Those saying about Netflix or Amazon, remember they also have started investing in shows, that are first show on normal telly with then obviously rights for them to show via streaming. They are clever operators, they aren't seeing the space as tv vs streaming,
With regard to second-hand endowments (which could only really be traded in the last few years), someone with a policy that they did not need, or who needed ready cash, or who could not afford to continue making payments, could 'sell' the policy to a third person who would keep up payments and then gain the benefits when the policy matured.
Obviously at the peak of the market insurance companies were paying quite high terminal bonuses and the gamble was to work out what the rate of return would be when the policy matured. i.e. the cash purchase value + remaining premiums compared with the final payout.
Because the bonuses in the last few years were worth so much more (at the time), it was worthwhile holding on to maturity rather than making a quick kill (pun intended).
(Trust me, I am an insurance broker.)
Thanks. I was aware of the economic call required, but what puzzles me is why it was legal for me to benefit from the death of Fred Bloggs of Cardiff by buying his endowment policy second-hand, when it wouldn't have been legal for me to take such a policy out on his life afresh.
It struck me as the kind of thing that could be made illegal overnight at the stroke of a pen. Kudos to those that priced this risk correctly.
"BBC faces multimillion-pound bill from Jeremy Clarkson's suspension"
Sued by all the broadcasters around the world, their most profitable TV brand collapses, Clarkson goes to Sky. The licence becomes that bit more unsustainable, at the worst possible moment. And lots of people start to hate the BBC.
And all because the BBC is run by a bunch of talentless po-faced overpaid liberal no-marks.
I still find it quite weird this overwhelming support from Tory supporters for Cameron. He isn't exactly an inspirational leader like a Churchill or Thatcher or Blair, he is a middle manager, does just enough to get the job done, doesn't like to rock the boat, wont really go big on getting out of EU, etc...Not exactly somebody to get wildly enthused by.
Just heard the most ill informed comment yet on the Clakson affair from Maria Miller.
"The BBC will have to learn how to deal with its larger than life stars. They should take a lesson from Arsene Wenger who deals with big stars all the time"
Since Syriza's election, and the early rhetoric of Tsipras and Varoufakis, I had wondered whether Grexit was moving from possible to probable. Now, with the latest outrageous rhetoric on seizing German assets and deliberately flooding the Schengen area with jihadists with papers, I am wondering whether Greek exit from the EU is now the end game.
I still find it quite weird this overwhelming support from Tory supporters for Cameron. He isn't exactly an inspirational leader like a Churchill or Thatcher or Blair, he is a middle manager, does just enough to get the job done, doesn't like to rock the boat, wont really go big on getting out of EU, etc...Not exactly somebody to get wildly enthused by.
I was equally bemused by Labour supporters' enthusiastic approval of Neil Kinnock.
And Michael Foot.
And John Smith.
And Tony Blair.
And Gordon Brown.
And Ed Miliband.
I was also bemused why they thought John Prescott was such a great bloke. To me he was just a fat inarticulate lecherous troughing yob.
Just heard the most ill informed comment yet on the Clakson affair from Maria Miller.
"The BBC will have to learn how to deal with its larger than life stars. They should take a lesson from Arsene Wenger who deals with big stars all the time"
I still find it quite weird this overwhelming support from Tory supporters for Cameron. He isn't exactly an inspirational leader like a Churchill or Thatcher or Blair, he is a middle manager, does just enough to get the job done, doesn't like to rock the boat, wont really go big on getting out of EU, etc...Not exactly somebody to get wildly enthused by.
He's likeable with apparent bonhomie and looks and sounds the part. In troubled times, quite a lot of people find that quite appealing.
Mr. Bond, to be fair to Labour supporters, I don't think you could reasonably accuse them of ever having been enthusiastically approving of Ed Miliband.
Mr. T, the jihadist passport line from Greece is utterly despicable, but may be indicative of the sentiment of at least part of the governing coalition (and perhaps the people) in Greece.
Just heard the most ill informed comment yet on the Clakson affair from Maria Miller.
"The BBC will have to learn how to deal with its larger than life stars. They should take a lesson from Arsene Wenger who deals with big stars all the time"
You clearly have never watched the programme, and you also have no concept of how TV narratives work, which neatly explains why, in your entirely forgotten broadcasting career, the highest rung you reached was Director of a TV commercial about tampons.
It is true that Roger is renowned for going with the flow.
He got them into power, or more to the point, prevented labour staying in power, and he is conservative PM, I would guess that's why they are keen on him
People are partisan, who knew?
I'd expect labour supporters will be keener on ed m if he is PM in a couple if months than they are now
But as the specific polling shows, a majority don't feel he is anything special in any department
After Major, Hague, IDS and Howard, I think they are just glad that they have a leader who is no longer being mercilessly ridiculed. Its a low bar. After all their vote share (using the UKPR average~ 33%) is not far ahead of the Howard figure in 2005. Its not that far off core vote.
"If two colleagues fall out it is a matter between them."
The star of the show and the assistant producer are not collegues. The BBC will use assistant producer to describe anyone from PA to the person who cleans the cars.
After Major, Hague, IDS and Howard, I think they are just glad that they have a leader who is no longer being mercilessly ridiculed. Its a low bar. After all their vote share (using the UKPR average~ 33%) is not far ahead of the Howard figure in 2005. Its not that far off core vote.
But isn't Cameron ahead of the Tory party in approval ratings?
"If two collegues fall out it is a matter between them."
The star of the show and the assistant producer are not collegues. The BBC will use assistant producer to describe anyone from PA to the person who cleans the cars.
The BBC said the producer was a man - but what kind of man hides behind their employer in this petty dispute?
"If two collegues fall out it is a matter between them."
The star of the show and the assistant producer are not collegues. The BBC will use assistant producer to describe anyone from PA to the person who cleans the cars.
The BBC said the producer was a man - but what kind of man hides behind their employer in this petty dispute?
Someone who wants his side of the story to be considered?
After Major, Hague, IDS and Howard, I think they are just glad that they have a leader who is no longer being mercilessly ridiculed. Its a low bar. After all their vote share (using the UKPR average~ 33%) is not far ahead of the Howard figure in 2005. Its not that far off core vote.
But isn't Cameron ahead of the Tory party in approval ratings?
Well that may be the case but if people aren't going to vote for him (which is what that implies) you can hardly call them 'Conservatives' which was the topic of discussion.
Those saying about Netflix or Amazon, remember they also have started investing in shows, that are first show on normal telly with then obviously rights for them to show via streaming. They are clever operators, they aren't seeing the space as tv vs streaming,
That is the way the entire US TV industry is moving, albeit slowly. The dreadful State of Affairs flopped in the US in live viewing ratings (ending at about a show-cancelling 1.0 in the demo) but doubled its ratings through L+7 and streaming, giving its fans some (dim) hope of renewal.
See this article on Nielsen trying to move in on TV ratings for streamed shows:
Less than 50% of Tories think Cameron cuts the mustard on any quality measured
Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) 11/03/2015 14:23 How Tories and Kippers see @David_Cameron -> pic.twitter.com/SN6bpxHcGp
Err, no. You have completely misunderstood the question.
Don't think so, ( try not to be smart btw)
How so?
It's not a question where punters are asked 'Do you think XXX is good in a crisis? Yes/No/Don't Know'. It's a question where punters select the characteristics themselves from those on offer. Typically on questions like this they don't select more than about (say) 3 - basically the characteristics they most associate with the politician.
I still find it quite weird this overwhelming support from Tory supporters for Cameron. He isn't exactly an inspirational leader like a Churchill or Thatcher or Blair, he is a middle manager, does just enough to get the job done, doesn't like to rock the boat, wont really go big on getting out of EU, etc...Not exactly somebody to get wildly enthused by.
Enthused? No, I agree, nothing to get enthused about in the Churchill or Thatcher mould (I'll gloss over Blair..). But he is the best PM, bar Maggie, for half a century, so it's not unreasonable that his approval ratings are good.
Just heard the most ill informed comment yet on the Clakson affair from Maria Miller.
"The BBC will have to learn how to deal with its larger than life stars. They should take a lesson from Arsene Wenger who deals with big stars all the time"
No, the most ill-informed comment was yours, when you suggested that the BBC could easily and "seamlessly" replace Clarkson, Hammond and May, and Top Gear would sail on, undamaged.
You clearly have never watched the programme, and you also have no concept of how TV narratives work, which neatly explains why, in your entirely forgotten broadcasting career, the highest rung you reached was Director of a TV commercial about tampons.
The most interesting words I have heard on this saga are that "their contracts all expire at the end of this month".
Who at the BBC is going to get the short straw to grovel to the horrid Neanderthal knuckle-dragging Clarkson? "Please sign for another three series, Mister Clarkson sir...PLEASE...." so that they can all stay in their fantastic properties up there on the Moral High Ground?
"The views of all the little people are just superb....how could we ever possibly contemplate a move?"
Less than 50% of Tories think Cameron cuts the mustard on any quality measured
Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) 11/03/2015 14:23 How Tories and Kippers see @David_Cameron -> pic.twitter.com/SN6bpxHcGp
Err, no. You have completely misunderstood the question.
Don't think so, ( try not to be smart btw)
How so?
It's not a question where punters are asked 'Do you think XXX is good in a crisis? Yes/No/Don't Know'. It's a question where punters select the characteristics themselves from those on offer. Typically on questions like this they don't select more than about (say) 3 - basically the characteristics they most associate with the politician.
So, it doesn't mean what you said.
I'm afraid you are wrong
'Thinking about Prime Minister David Cameron, which of the following qualities do you think he has? Please tick all that apply. Sticks to what he believes in Decisive Strong A natural leader Charismatic Good in a crisis Honest In touch with the concerns of ordinary people None of these Don’t know'
And he didn't get 50% from Tories in any... It was possible to get 100% in them all
Mr. Bond, to be fair to Labour supporters, I don't think you could reasonably accuse them of ever having been enthusiastically approving of Ed Miliband.
Mr. T, the jihadist passport line from Greece is utterly despicable, but may be indicative of the sentiment of at least part of the governing coalition (and perhaps the people) in Greece.
Mr Dancer, I don't doubt that is true. But if that is the official position of a Government and it is acted upon, then that nation does not belong in the NATO or the EU, let alone Schengen or the EZ.
"If two collegues fall out it is a matter between them."
The star of the show and the assistant producer are not collegues. The BBC will use assistant producer to describe anyone from PA to the person who cleans the cars.
The BBC said the producer was a man - but what kind of man hides behind their employer in this petty dispute?
Clarkson Petition now on 440,000. It is apparently the fastest growing petition in the history of change.org, and still rising 1000 a minute.
It will almost certainly reach half a million by the time of the BBC six o'clock news, which is piquant.
There's many millions of non-PC, lefty disdaining, normal folk out there who really really don't like the BBC. This is something concrete they can hang their frustration on. If the orangutan and the other two walk then the Beeb will lose millions (pounds and viewers). A spectacularly self inflicted giant fuck-up by Auntie. Gimps. Let's hope this helps kill the licence fee a little bit sooner.
Less than 50% of Tories think Cameron cuts the mustard on any quality measured
Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) 11/03/2015 14:23 How Tories and Kippers see @David_Cameron -> pic.twitter.com/SN6bpxHcGp
Err, no. You have completely misunderstood the question.
Don't think so, ( try not to be smart btw)
How so?
It's not a question where punters are asked 'Do you think XXX is good in a crisis? Yes/No/Don't Know'. It's a question where punters select the characteristics themselves from those on offer. Typically on questions like this they don't select more than about (say) 3 - basically the characteristics they most associate with the politician.
So, it doesn't mean what you said.
I'm afraid you are wrong
'Thinking about Prime Minister David Cameron, which of the following qualities do you think he has? Please tick all that apply. Sticks to what he believes in Decisive Strong A natural leader Charismatic Good in a crisis Honest In touch with the concerns of ordinary people None of these Don’t know'
And he didn't get 50% from Tories in any... It was possible to get 100% in them all
You're drawing the wrong conclusion. Given that Conservative supporters are overwhelmingly satisfied with his performance, the correct conclusion can only be that many Conservative supporters simply don't regard these attributes as particularly important in judging their leader.
If Clarkson and co leave Top Gear then the show is dead in the water.It would be like staging a Stones Tour without the Stones.The BBC is stuffed full of incompetent people that glory under the title of Producer..most of them would be unemployable elsewhere..and I have worked for the BBC,off and on, since 1967.nothing has changed.. they were poor then and things have not improved
Less than 50% of Tories think Cameron cuts the mustard on any quality measured
Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) 11/03/2015 14:23 How Tories and Kippers see @David_Cameron -> pic.twitter.com/SN6bpxHcGp
Err, no. You have completely misunderstood the question.
Don't think so, ( try not to be smart btw)
How so?
It's not a question where punters are asked 'Do you think XXX is good in a crisis? Yes/No/Don't Know'. It's a question where punters select the characteristics themselves from those on offer. Typically on questions like this they don't select more than about (say) 3 - basically the characteristics they most associate with the politician.
So, it doesn't mean what you said.
I'm afraid you are wrong
'Thinking about Prime Minister David Cameron, which of the following qualities do you think he has? Please tick all that apply. Sticks to what he believes in Decisive Strong A natural leader Charismatic Good in a crisis Honest In touch with the concerns of ordinary people None of these Don’t know'
And he didn't get 50% from Tories in any... It was possible to get 100% in them all
Yes, THEORETICALLY people can tick all of them. In practice, in questions like this they don't, as you will see if you trouble to find similar sets of questions for other politicians.
Less than 50% of Tories think Cameron cuts the mustard on any quality measured
Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) 11/03/2015 14:23 How Tories and Kippers see @David_Cameron -> pic.twitter.com/SN6bpxHcGp
Err, no. You have completely misunderstood the question.
Don't think so, ( try not to be smart btw)
How so?
It's not a question where punters are asked 'Do you think XXX is good in a crisis? Yes/No/Don't Know'. It's a question where punters select the characteristics themselves from those on offer. Typically on questions like this they don't select more than about (say) 3 - basically the characteristics they most associate with the politician.
So, it doesn't mean what you said.
I'm afraid you are wrong
'Thinking about Prime Minister David Cameron, which of the following qualities do you think he has? Please tick all that apply. Sticks to what he believes in Decisive Strong A natural leader Charismatic Good in a crisis Honest In touch with the concerns of ordinary people None of these Don’t know'
And he didn't get 50% from Tories in any... It was possible to get 100% in them all
Weird Ed got less than 20% of Lab supporters thinking he is strong, decisive, good in a crisis, a natural leader, or charismatic.
Cameron only got less than one in five (8%) Con supporters for "none of these". Miliband was rated as nota by one in six Lab supporters.
Less than 50% of Tories think Cameron cuts the mustard on any quality measured
Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) 11/03/2015 14:23 How Tories and Kippers see @David_Cameron -> pic.twitter.com/SN6bpxHcGp
Err, no. You have completely misunderstood the question.
Don't think so, ( try not to be smart btw)
How so?
It's not a question where punters are asked 'Do you think XXX is good in a crisis? Yes/No/Don't Know'. It's a question where punters select the characteristics themselves from those on offer. Typically on questions like this they don't select more than about (say) 3 - basically the characteristics they most associate with the politician.
So, it doesn't mean what you said.
I'm afraid you are wrong
'Thinking about Prime Minister David Cameron, which of the following qualities do you think he has? Please tick all that apply. Sticks to what he believes in Decisive Strong A natural leader Charismatic Good in a crisis Honest In touch with the concerns of ordinary people None of these Don’t know'
And he didn't get 50% from Tories in any... It was possible to get 100% in them all
Yes, THEORETICALLY people can tick all of them. In practice, in questions like this they don't, as you will see if you trouble to find similar sets of questions for other politicians.
This is pretty basic stuff.
So I hadn't completely misunderstood, fair enough
David Cameron isnt thought of as any of the things listed by 50% of Tory supporters polled, that's what I said, and its true
I said it showed Conservatives on here were atypically favourable to him and your reaction is backing me up
The point is it shows no one thinks he is particularly great at anything.. they like him because he is the Conservative PM
Less than 50% of Tories think Cameron cuts the mustard on any quality measured
Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) 11/03/2015 14:23 How Tories and Kippers see @David_Cameron -> pic.twitter.com/SN6bpxHcGp
Err, no. You have completely misunderstood the question.
Don't think so, ( try not to be smart btw)
How so?
It's not a question where punters are asked 'Do you think XXX is good in a crisis? Yes/No/Don't Know'. It's a question where punters select the characteristics themselves from those on offer. Typically on questions like this they don't select more than about (say) 3 - basically the characteristics they most associate with the politician.
So, it doesn't mean what you said.
I'm afraid you are wrong
'Thinking about Prime Minister David Cameron, which of the following qualities do you think he has? Please tick all that apply. Sticks to what he believes in Decisive Strong A natural leader Charismatic Good in a crisis Honest In touch with the concerns of ordinary people None of these Don’t know'
And he didn't get 50% from Tories in any... It was possible to get 100% in them all
Weird Ed got less than 20% of Lab supporters thinking he is strong, decisive, good in a crisis, a natural leader, or charismatic.
Cameron only got less than one in five (8%) Con supporters for "none of these". Miliband was rated as nota by one in six Lab supporters.
David Cameron isnt thought of as any of the things listed by 50% of Tory supporters polled, that's what I said, and its true
I said it showed Conservatives on here were atypically favourable to him and your reaction is backing me up
(bangs head against brick wall) No, it is not the case that "David Cameron isnt thought of as any of the things listed by 50% of Tory supporters polled". It is the case that there was no one characteristic which more than 50% of respondents put amongst the characteristics they selected (basically the ones they most associate with him). I don't think I can be any clearer than I already have. I find to hard to believe that you really don't understand the point.
Clarkson Petition now on 440,000. It is apparently the fastest growing petition in the history of change.org, and still rising 1000 a minute.
It will almost certainly reach half a million by the time of the BBC six o'clock news, which is piquant.
There's many millions of non-PC, lefty disdaining, normal folk out there who really really don't like the BBC. This is something concrete they can hang their frustration on. If the orangutan and the other two walk then the Beeb will lose millions (pounds and viewers). A spectacularly self inflicted giant fuck-up by Auntie. Gimps. Let's hope this helps kill the licence fee a little bit sooner.
They don't care - the licence fee keeps rolling in, keep the management champagne coming ....
Less than 50% of Tories think Cameron cuts the mustard on any quality measured
Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) 11/03/2015 14:23 How Tories and Kippers see @David_Cameron -> pic.twitter.com/SN6bpxHcGp
Err, no. You have completely misunderstood the question.
Don't think so, ( try not to be smart btw)
How so?
It's not a question where punters are asked 'Do you think XXX is good in a crisis? Yes/No/Don't Know'. It's a question where punters select the characteristics themselves from those on offer. Typically on questions like this they don't select more than about (say) 3 - basically the characteristics they most associate with the politician.
So, it doesn't mean what you said.
I'm afraid you are wrong
'Thinking about Prime Minister David Cameron, which of the following qualities do you think he has? Please tick all that apply. Sticks to what he believes in Decisive Strong A natural leader Charismatic Good in a crisis Honest In touch with the concerns of ordinary people None of these Don’t know'
And he didn't get 50% from Tories in any... It was possible to get 100% in them all
Weird Ed got less than 20% of Lab supporters thinking he is strong, decisive, good in a crisis, a natural leader, or charismatic.
Cameron only got less than one in five (8%) Con supporters for "none of these". Miliband was rated as nota by one in six Lab supporters.
It wasn't a comparison with Miliband that I cited though was it? So what?
People prefer stepping barefoot in mud than they do dog shit as well I suppose
< David Cameron isnt thought of as any of the things listed by 50% of Tory supporters polled, that's what I said, and its true
I said it showed Conservatives on here were atypically favourable to him and your reaction is backing me up
(bangs head against brick wall) No, it is not the case that "David Cameron isnt thought of as any of the things listed by 50% of Tory supporters polled". I don't think I can be any clearer than I already have. I find to hard to believe that you really don't understand the point.
Keep banging it until you understand I reckon
Then again.. Rochester.. you are sure of yourself even when wildly wrong
If ten people who knew you were asked
"Do you think of Richard as
Kind Clever Considerate Generous Thoughtful Wise
Tick as many as you like"
And you didn't score 5 in any of them, you would think that ok?
Less than 50% of Tories think Cameron cuts the mustard on any quality measured
Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) 11/03/2015 14:23 How Tories and Kippers see @David_Cameron -> pic.twitter.com/SN6bpxHcGp
Err, no. You have completely misunderstood the question.
Don't think so, ( try not to be smart btw)
How so?
It's not a question where punters are asked 'Do you think XXX is good in a crisis? Yes/No/Don't Know'. It's a question where punters select the characteristics themselves from those on offer. Typically on questions like this they don't select more than about (say) 3 - basically the characteristics they most associate with the politician.
So, it doesn't mean what you said.
I'm afraid you are wrong
'Thinking about Prime Minister David Cameron, which of the following qualities do you think he has? Please tick all that apply. Sticks to what he believes in Decisive Strong A natural leader Charismatic Good in a crisis Honest In touch with the concerns of ordinary people None of these Don’t know'
And he didn't get 50% from Tories in any... It was possible to get 100% in them all
Yes, THEORETICALLY people can tick all of them. In practice, in questions like this they don't, as you will see if you trouble to find similar sets of questions for other politicians.
This is pretty basic stuff.
So are you suggesting that people are incapable of following the survey instructions and instead decide to do their own thing?
It seems to me that if it says 'Tick All That Apply' and people then don't tick some of them then it is reasonable to believe that that actually means they don't think those qualities apply rather than they can't be bothered to fill in the survey properly.
Less than 50% of Tories think Cameron cuts the mustard on any quality measured
Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) 11/03/2015 14:23 How Tories and Kippers see @David_Cameron -> pic.twitter.com/SN6bpxHcGp
Err, no. You have completely misunderstood the question.
Don't think so, ( try not to be smart btw)
How so?
It's not a question where punters are asked 'Do you think XXX is good in a crisis? Yes/No/Don't Know'. It's a question where punters select the characteristics themselves from those on offer. Typically on questions like this they don't select more than about (say) 3 - basically the characteristics they most associate with the politician.
So, it doesn't mean what you said.
I'm afraid you are wrong
'Thinking about Prime Minister David Cameron, which of the following qualities do you think he has? Please tick all that apply. Sticks to what he believes in Decisive Strong A natural leader Charismatic Good in a crisis Honest In touch with the concerns of ordinary people None of these Don’t know'
And he didn't get 50% from Tories in any... It was possible to get 100% in them all
Farage was better looking than Cameron. He was a better dresser than Cameron. He had more hair! He told funnier jokes! And he could dance the pants off of Cameron!.
I would neither buy a car from nor give a job to any of the current leaders. So it all cancels out, and we can concentrate on the ishoos.
ed's crapness is of course an ishoo, for these purposes.
Less than 50% of Tories think Cameron cuts the mustard on any quality measured
Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) 11/03/2015 14:23 How Tories and Kippers see @David_Cameron -> pic.twitter.com/SN6bpxHcGp
Err, no. You have completely misunderstood the question.
Don't think so, ( try not to be smart btw)
How so?
It's not a question where punters are asked 'Do you think XXX is good in a crisis? Yes/No/Don't Know'. It's a question where punters select the characteristics themselves from those on offer. Typically on questions like this they don't select more than about (say) 3 - basically the characteristics they most associate with the politician.
So, it doesn't mean what you said.
I'm afraid you are wrong
'Thinking about Prime Minister David Cameron, which of the following qualities do you think he has? Please tick all that apply. Sticks to what he believes in Decisive Strong A natural leader Charismatic Good in a crisis Honest In touch with the concerns of ordinary people None of these Don’t know'
And he didn't get 50% from Tories in any... It was possible to get 100% in them all
Yes, THEORETICALLY people can tick all of them. In practice, in questions like this they don't, as you will see if you trouble to find similar sets of questions for other politicians.
This is pretty basic stuff.
So are you suggesting that people are incapable of following the survey instructions and instead decide to do their own thing?
It seems to me that if it says 'Tick All That Apply' and people then don't tick some of them then it is reasonable to believe that that actually means they don't think those qualities apply rather than they can't be bothered to fill in the survey properly.
Conservatives on here are not typical of Conservative voters
Less than 50% of Tories think Cameron cuts the mustard on any quality measured
Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) 11/03/2015 14:23 How Tories and Kippers see @David_Cameron -> pic.twitter.com/SN6bpxHcGp
Err, no. You have completely misunderstood the question.
Don't think so, ( try not to be smart btw)
How so?
It's not a question where punters are asked 'Do you think XXX is good in a crisis? Yes/No/Don't Know'. It's a question where punters select the characteristics themselves from those on offer. Typically on questions like this they don't select more than about (say) 3 - basically the characteristics they most associate with the politician.
So, it doesn't mean what you said.
I'm afraid you are wrong
'Thinking about Prime Minister David Cameron, which of the following qualities do you think he has? Please tick all that apply. Sticks to what he believes in Decisive Strong A natural leader Charismatic Good in a crisis Honest In touch with the concerns of ordinary people None of these Don’t know'
And he didn't get 50% from Tories in any... It was possible to get 100% in them all
Yes, THEORETICALLY people can tick all of them. In practice, in questions like this they don't, as you will see if you trouble to find similar sets of questions for other politicians.
This is pretty basic stuff.
So are you suggesting that people are incapable of following the survey instructions and instead decide to do their own thing?
It seems to me that if it says 'Tick All That Apply' and people then don't tick some of them then it is reasonable to believe that that actually means they don't think those qualities apply rather than they can't be bothered to fill in the survey properly.
Conservatives on here are not typical of Conservative voters
So are you suggesting that people are incapable of following the survey instructions and instead decide to do their own thing?
It seems to me that if it says 'Tick All That Apply' and people then don't tick some of them then it is reasonable to believe that that actually means they don't think those qualities apply rather than they can't be bothered to fill in the survey properly.
As I said, look at other examples of this sort of question being asked, and you will see that I am right.
Respondents are not being stupid. They are, not unreasonably, answering a question which appears to asking about 'what sort of person is Cameron?'. They have been asked firstly to 'think about David Cameron'. Following that instruction, they then select the characteristics which most closely match their thoughts about him. They are selecting the strongest matches.
As I said, this is pretty basic stuff in terms of the psychology of people responding to surveys.
Less than 50% of Tories think Cameron cuts the mustard on any quality measured
Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) 11/03/2015 14:23 How Tories and Kippers see @David_Cameron -> pic.twitter.com/SN6bpxHcGp
Err, no. You have completely misunderstood the question.
Don't think so, ( try not to be smart btw)
How so?
It's not a question where punters are asked 'Do you think XXX is good in a crisis? Yes/No/Don't Know'. It's a question where punters select the characteristics themselves from those on offer. Typically on questions like this they don't select more than about (say) 3 - basically the characteristics they most associate with the politician.
So, it doesn't mean what you said.
I'm afraid you are wrong
'Thinking about Prime Minister David Cameron, which of the following qualities do you think he has? Please tick all that apply. Sticks to what he believes in Decisive Strong A natural leader Charismatic Good in a crisis Honest In touch with the concerns of ordinary people None of these Don’t know'
And he didn't get 50% from Tories in any... It was possible to get 100% in them all
Yes, THEORETICALLY people can tick all of them. In practice, in questions like this they don't, as you will see if you trouble to find similar sets of questions for other politicians.
This is pretty basic stuff.
So are you suggesting that people are incapable of following the survey instructions and instead decide to do their own thing?
It seems to me that if it says 'Tick All That Apply' and people then don't tick some of them then it is reasonable to believe that that actually means they don't think those qualities apply rather than they can't be bothered to fill in the survey properly.
Conservatives on here are not typical of Conservative voters
Less than 50% of Tories think Cameron cuts the mustard on any quality measured
Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) 11/03/2015 14:23 How Tories and Kippers see @David_Cameron -> pic.twitter.com/SN6bpxHcGp
Err, no. You have completely misunderstood the question.
Don't think so, ( try not to be smart btw)
How so?
It's not a question where punters are asked 'Do you think XXX is good in a crisis? Yes/No/Don't Know'. It's a question where punters select the characteristics themselves from those on offer. Typically on questions like this they don't select more than about (say) 3 - basically the characteristics they most associate with the politician.
So, it doesn't mean what you said.
I'm afraid you are wrong
'Thinking about Prime Minister David Cameron, which of the following qualities do you think he has? Please tick all that apply. Sticks to what he believes in Decisive Strong A natural leader Charismatic Good in a crisis Honest In touch with the concerns of ordinary people None of these Don’t know'
And he didn't get 50% from Tories in any... It was possible to get 100% in them all
Weird Ed got less than 20% of Lab supporters thinking he is strong, decisive, good in a crisis, a natural leader, or charismatic.
Cameron only got less than one in five (8%) Con supporters for "none of these". Miliband was rated as nota by one in six Lab supporters.
Total quality-percentage-sum for each leader from their own support (ie adding up the percentage that each gets for all the 'qualities')
I’ve learnt that Jeremy Clarkson was once cautioned by a Metropolitan Police Officer and that this radicalised him. A spokesman for the government-funded charity BRAKE said that, “he had been such a nice quiet boy up until that time and had never ever exceeded the speed limit”.
The commissioner of the Metropolitan Police Force apologised for any upset that his officers might have caused and said, “Jeremy has committed no crime and will be welcome back in London at any time”.
BBC Newsnight will address the question, “What pushed Jeremy Clarkson off the rails? Where did we all go wrong?”
“Whatever Justine chooses to call herself is up to her, but this feels like Labour chasing the political benefit of rebranding her a "Miliband". As if wheeling out a soft interview with The Wife a couple of months before an election isn’t crass enough.
It also goes against Miliband's insistence that the thing he’s learned most since becoming leader is to be himself. “I am not from central casting,” he says. A rather hollow statement when he's been spooked into the old political trick of using family as campaign fodder.”
Clarkson Petition now on 440,000. It is apparently the fastest growing petition in the history of change.org, and still rising 1000 a minute.
It will almost certainly reach half a million by the time of the BBC six o'clock news, which is piquant.
There's many millions of non-PC, lefty disdaining, normal folk out there who really really don't like the BBC. This is something concrete they can hang their frustration on. If the orangutan and the other two walk then the Beeb will lose millions (pounds and viewers). A spectacularly self inflicted giant fuck-up by Auntie. Gimps. Let's hope this helps kill the licence fee a little bit sooner.
They don't care - the licence fee keeps rolling in, keep the management champagne coming ....
But the licence fee is set to disappear, or severely diminish. It is an unsustainable model when so many people can and will stream content on laptops, ipads, smartphones, PCs. Are you going to try and tithe everyone who has access to the internet?
People will simply stop paying the licence fee and watch everything online, and then the BBC is screwed, unless it can literally persuade the government of the day to impose a new poll tax on everyone in Britain, whether they watch the BBC or not.
Good luck with that, BBC.
This is why the BBC needs as many friends as possible. It's not making friends right now.
Yes but by that time the twonk screwing this up will be grand wizard of the Guardian online or somesuch - he won't give an Aylesbury duck.
"You clearly have never watched the programme, and you also have no concept of how TV narratives work, which neatly explains why, in your entirely forgotten broadcasting career, the highest rung you reached was Director of a TV commercial about tampons."
How depressing that must be for you to think that I earn more than you and you believe it's for shooting tampon commercials!
Less than 50% of Tories think Cameron cuts the mustard on any quality measured
Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) 11/03/2015 14:23 How Tories and Kippers see @David_Cameron -> pic.twitter.com/SN6bpxHcGp
Err, no. You have completely misunderstood the question.
Don't think so, ( try not to be smart btw)
How so?
.
So, it doesn't mean what you said.
I'm afraid you are wrong
'Thinking about Prime Minister David Cameron, which of the following qualities do you think he has? Please tick all that apply. Sticks to what he believes in Decisive Strong A natural leader Charismatic Good in a crisis Honest In touch with the concerns of ordinary people None of these Don’t know'
And he didn't get 50% from Tories in any... It was possible to get 100% in them all
Yes, THEORETICALLY people can tick all of them. In practice, in questions like this they don't, as you will see if you trouble to find similar sets of questions for other politicians.
This is pretty basic stuff.
So are you suggesting that people are incapable of following the survey instructions and instead decide to do their own thing?
It seems to me that if it says 'Tick All That Apply' and people then don't tick some of them then it is reasonable to believe that that actually means they don't think those qualities apply rather than they can't be bothered to fill in the survey properly.
Conservatives on here are not typical of Conservative voters
You don't like Mori showing that to be guff? Try Opinium.
Net rating (own party) +88%.
You misunderstand what I am saying, and are proving nothing with your tables. You are proving a point that I am not questioning
I am not saying he is unpopular with his own supporters, I am saying he is popular because he is the Conservative PM rather than any identifiable quality.. they like him because he is their guy and he is PM, because he stopped the PM being a Labour guy as it had for 13 years
Ascribing qualities to him personally misses that point, and when asked, Conservative voters didn't unanimously say he was specifcally good at anything
People on here say he is great at this and that when he does this or that, but most people in the real world are just supporting their team
Less than 50% of Tories think Cameron cuts the mustard on any quality measured
Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) 11/03/2015 14:23 How Tories and Kippers see @David_Cameron -> pic.twitter.com/SN6bpxHcGp
Err, no. You have completely misunderstood the question.
Don't think so, ( try not to be smart btw)
How so?
It's not a question where punters are asked 'Do you think XXX is good in a crisis? Yes/No/Don't Know'. It's a question where punters select the characteristics themselves from those on offer. Typically on questions like this they don't select more than about (say) 3 - basically the characteristics they most associate with the politician.
So, it doesn't mean what you said.
I'm afraid you are wrong
'Thinking about Prime Minister David Cameron, which of the following qualities do you think he has? Please tick all that apply. Sticks to what he believes in Decisive Strong A natural leader Charismatic Good in a crisis Honest In touch with the concerns of ordinary people None of these Don’t know'
And he didn't get 50% from Tories in any... It was possible to get 100% in them all
Yes, THEORETICALLY people can tick all of them. In practice, in questions like this they don't, as you will see if you trouble to find similar sets of questions for other politicians.
This is pretty basic stuff.
So are you suggesting that people are incapable of following the survey instructions and instead decide to do their own thing?
It seems to me that if it says 'Tick All That Apply' and people then don't tick some of them then it is reasonable to believe that that actually means they don't think those qualities apply rather than they can't be bothered to fill in the survey properly.
Conservatives on here are not typical of Conservative voters
For starters we are PB Tories... The clue is in the name!
The point is it shows no one thinks he is particularly great at anything.. they like him because he is the Conservative PM
Quietly competent and a safe pair of hands isn't a bad thing to be.
God forbid we have someone who wants to stride the global stage starting wars all over the place, or whose meddling and general buffoonery is likely to collapse the banking system and bankrupt NHS trusts with PFI vanity projects.
Less than 50% of Tories think Cameron cuts the mustard on any quality measured
Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) 11/03/2015 14:23 How Tories and Kippers see @David_Cameron -> pic.twitter.com/SN6bpxHcGp
Err, no. You have completely misunderstood the question.
Don't think so, ( try not to be smart btw)
How so?
It's not a question where punters are asked 'Do you think XXX is good in a crisis? Yes/No/Don't Know'. It's a question where punters select the characteristics themselves from those on offer. Typically on questions like this they don't select more than about (say) 3 - basically the characteristics they most associate with the politician.
So, it doesn't mean what you said.
I'm afraid you are wrong
'Thinking about Prime Minister David Cameron, which of the following qualities do you think he has? Please tick all that apply. Sticks to what he believes in Decisive Strong A natural leader Charismatic Good in a crisis Honest In touch with the concerns of ordinary people None of these Don’t know'
And he didn't get 50% from Tories in any... It was possible to get 100% in them all
Weird Ed got less than 20% of Lab supporters thinking he is strong, decisive, good in a crisis, a natural leader, or charismatic.
Cameron only got less than one in five (8%) Con supporters for "none of these". Miliband was rated as nota by one in six Lab supporters.
It wasn't a comparison with Miliband that I cited though was it? So what?
People prefer stepping barefoot in mud than they do dog shit as well I suppose
Cameron is taking on Miliband in the election. I think a comparison like I've made is more relevant to the election than the original one between how Kippers and Tories view Cameron.
You're probably put out that I didn't mention UKIP in my reply to you. Ok, Miliband gets no more than one in twenty kippers assigning him any of these qualities.
Then again.. Rochester.. you are sure of yourself even when wildly wrong
I wasn't sure of myself on Rochester. I was however sure of myself on our Labour manifesto bet, which I will win and you will lose!
Yes I think you will win on that one, but don't try and backtrack in about Rochester, you wrote at length as to why you were right and argued against me at every point!
Their Labour score is falling down towards Jack's ARSE
Where my ARSE leads from the front ....
Are you black- rod perchance...?
Er .... No.
The closest I've come to having a door shut deliberately in my face was when an interloper tried to slam the yett of a castle on yours truly. They did not escape the wrath of Mrs JackW - who was a sight to behold in full flight and righteous indignation - What a gal.
Less than 50% of Tories think Cameron cuts the mustard on any quality measured
Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) 11/03/2015 14:23 How Tories and Kippers see @David_Cameron -> pic.twitter.com/SN6bpxHcGp
Err, no. You have completely misunderstood the question.
Don't think so, ( try not to be smart btw)
How so?
It's not a question where punters are asked 'Do you think XXX is good in a crisis? Yes/No/Don't Know'. It's a question where punters select the characteristics themselves from those on offer. Typically on questions like this they don't select more than about (say) 3 - basically the characteristics they most associate with the politician.
So, it doesn't mean what you said.
I'm afraid you are wrong
'Thinking about Prime Minister David Cameron, which of the following qualities do you think he has? Please tick all that apply. Sticks to what he believes in Decisive Strong A natural leader Charismatic Good in a crisis Honest In touch with the concerns of ordinary people None of these Don’t know'
And he didn't get 50% from Tories in any... It was possible to get 100% in them all
Weird Ed got less than 20% of Lab supporters thinking he is strong, decisive, good in a crisis, a natural leader, or charismatic.
Cameron only got less than one in five (8%) Con supporters for "none of these". Miliband was rated as nota by one in six Lab supporters.
It wasn't a comparison with Miliband that I cited though was it? So what?
People prefer stepping barefoot in mud than they do dog shit as well I suppose
Cameron is taking on Miliband in the election. I think a comparison like I've made is more relevant to the election than the original one between how Kippers and Tories view Cameron.
You're probably put out that I didn't mention UKIP in my reply to you. Ok, Miliband gets no more than one in twenty kippers assigning him any of these qualities.
"You're probably put out that I didn't mention UKIP in my reply to you"
What a strange thing to say, I couldn't care less if you replied at all
BBC Newsnight will address the question, “What pushed Jeremy Clarkson off the rails? Where did we all go wrong?”
BBC Newsnight will address the question, “What Senior, elderly (and preferably dead) Tory interfered with as young Jeremy which pushed Clarkson off the rails”
Less than 50% of Tories think Cameron cuts the mustard on any quality measured
Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) 11/03/2015 14:23 How Tories and Kippers see @David_Cameron -> pic.twitter.com/SN6bpxHcGp
Err, no. You have completely misunderstood the question.
Don't think so, ( try not to be smart btw)
How so?
It's not a question where punters are asked 'Do you think XXX is good in a crisis? Yes/No/Don't Know'. It's a question where punters select the characteristics themselves from those on offer. Typically on questions like this they don't select more than about (say) 3 - basically the characteristics they most associate with the politician.
So, it doesn't mean what you said.
I'm afraid you are wrong
'Thinking about Prime Minister David Cameron, which of the following qualities do you think he has? Please tick all that apply. Sticks to what he believes in Decisive Strong A natural leader Charismatic Good in a crisis Honest In touch with the concerns of ordinary people None of these Don’t know'
And he didn't get 50% from Tories in any... It was possible to get 100% in them all
Yes, THEORETICALLY people can tick all of them. In practice, in questions like this they don't, as you will see if you trouble to find similar sets of questions for other politicians.
This is pretty basic stuff.
So are you suggesting that people are incapable of following the survey instructions and instead decide to do their own thing?
It seems to me that if it says 'Tick All That Apply' and people then don't tick some of them then it is reasonable to believe that that actually means they don't think those qualities apply rather than they can't be bothered to fill in the survey properly.
Conservatives on here are not typical of Conservative voters
For starters we are PB Tories... The clue is in the name!
I steer clear of lazy stereotyping and "go to phrases"
Then again.. Rochester.. you are sure of yourself even when wildly wrong
I wasn't sure of myself on Rochester. I was however sure of myself on our Labour manifesto bet, which I will win and you will lose!
What is this Labour Manifesto bet - I sincerely hope it's not about the damn thing making any sort of logical sense.
No, no, certainly not!
The bet was that isam thought Labour would go for an EU In/Out referendum.
Yes, taking candy from a baby, I know. He actually offered to increase the bet but I didn't have the heart to take another sweet off him so I didn't take it up.
The point is it shows no one thinks he is particularly great at anything.. they like him because he is the Conservative PM
Quietly competent and a safe pair of hands isn't a bad thing to be.
God forbid we have someone who wants to stride the global stage starting wars all over the place, or whose meddling and general buffoonery is likely to collapse the banking system and bankrupt NHS trusts with PFI vanity projects.
I was in this YouGov panel earlier in the week.
I recall it being a rather forced choice between Dave and Ed, so people like me had to indicate which they preferred before answering questions on leadership.
Of the two I would prefer Dave, but would not count myself a Con supporter.
One question was on the nuclear button. I would not trust either with it!
Then again.. Rochester.. you are sure of yourself even when wildly wrong
I wasn't sure of myself on Rochester. I was however sure of myself on our Labour manifesto bet, which I will win and you will lose!
What is this Labour Manifesto bet - I sincerely hope it's not about the damn thing making any sort of logical sense.
No, no, certainly not!
The bet was that isam thought Labour would go for an EU In/Out referendum.
Yes, taking candy from a baby, I know. He actually offered to increase the bet but I didn't have the heart to take another sweet off him so I didn't take it up.
Their Labour score is falling down towards Jack's ARSE
Where my ARSE leads from the front ....
Are you black- rod perchance...?
Er .... No.
The closest I've come to having a door shut deliberately in my face was when an interloper tried to slam the yett of a castle on yours truly. They did not escape the wrath of Mrs JackW - who was a sight to behold in full flight and righteous indignation - What a gal.
Do you not often get to view Mrs JackW in full light?
Less than 50% of Tories think Cameron cuts the mustard on any quality measured
Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) 11/03/2015 14:23 How Tories and Kippers see @David_Cameron -> pic.twitter.com/SN6bpxHcGp
Err, no. You have completely misunderstood the question.
Don't think so, ( try not to be smart btw)
How so?
It's not a question where punters are asked 'Do you think XXX is good in a crisis? Yes/No/Don't Know'. It's a question where punters select the characteristics themselves from those on offer. Typically on questions like this they don't select more than about (say) 3 - basically the characteristics they most associate with the politician.
So, it doesn't mean what you said.
I'm afraid you are wrong
'Thinking about Prime Minister David Cameron, which of the following qualities do you think he has? Please tick all that apply. Sticks to what he believes in Decisive Strong A natural leader Charismatic Good in a crisis Honest In touch with the concerns of ordinary people None of these Don’t know'
And he didn't get 50% from Tories in any... It was possible to get 100% in them all
Weird Ed got less than 20% of Lab supporters thinking he is strong, decisive, good in a crisis, a natural leader, or charismatic.
Cameron only got less than one in five (8%) Con supporters for "none of these". Miliband was rated as nota by one in six Lab supporters.
It wasn't a comparison with Miliband that I cited though was it? So what?
People prefer stepping barefoot in mud than they do dog shit as well I suppose
Cameron is taking on Miliband in the election. I think a comparison like I've made is more relevant to the election than the original one between how Kippers and Tories view Cameron.
You're probably put out that I didn't mention UKIP in my reply to you. Ok, Miliband gets no more than one in twenty kippers assigning him any of these qualities.
"You're probably put out that I didn't mention UKIP in my reply to you"
What a strange thing to say, I couldn't care less if you replied at all
Maybe not "if" but it did seem you cared how.. "It wasn't that that I cited though was it? So what?", sounds like a fairly petulant response to me!
Then again.. Rochester.. you are sure of yourself even when wildly wrong
I wasn't sure of myself on Rochester. I was however sure of myself on our Labour manifesto bet, which I will win and you will lose!
What is this Labour Manifesto bet - I sincerely hope it's not about the damn thing making any sort of logical sense.
No, no, certainly not!
The bet was that isam thought Labour would go for an EU In/Out referendum.
Yes, taking candy from a baby, I know. He actually offered to increase the bet but I didn't have the heart to take another sweet off him so I didn't take it up.
You misunderstand what I am saying, and are proving nothing with your tables. You are proving a point that I am not questioning
I am not saying he is unpopular with his own supporters, I am saying he is popular because he is the Conservative PM rather than any identifiable quality.. they like him because he is their guy and he is PM, because he stopped the PM being a Labour guy as it had for 13 years
Ascribing qualities to him personally misses that point, and when asked, Conservative voters didn't unanimously say he was specifcally good at anything
There are multiple difficulties with that theory:
1) David Cameron is more popular than his party, and has been so pretty consistently for a long time. So it's not just that he's Conservative leader - he clearly appeals to a considerable number of voters for other reasons.
2) His approval ratings both with his party and with the wider electorate have fluctuated over the years but seem to be on an upward trend. There wouldn't be any great variation in his ratings if your theory of slavish adoration by the Conservative public had anything much in it.
3) You assume that the only attributes that the public value in a Prime Minister are those listed. That seems a very dangerous and almost certainly incorrect assumption to me.
4) As Richard Nabavi correctly points out, people will answer this type of multiple selection question in varying ways when polled.
Less than 50% of Tories think Cameron cuts the mustard on any quality measured
Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) 11/03/2015 14:23 How Tories and Kippers see @David_Cameron -> pic.twitter.com/SN6bpxHcGp
Err, no. You have completely misunderstood the question.
Don't think so, ( try not to be smart btw)
How so?
It's not a question where punters are asked 'Do you think XXX is good in a crisis? Yes/No/Don't Know'. It's a question where punters select the characteristics themselves from those on offer. Typically on questions like this they don't select more than about (say) 3 - basically the characteristics they most associate with the politician.
So, it doesn't mean what you said.
I'm afraid you are wrong
'Thinking about Prime Minister David Cameron, which of the following qualities do you think he has? Please tick all that apply. Sticks to what he believes in Decisive Strong A natural leader Charismatic Good in a crisis Honest In touch with the concerns of ordinary people None of these Don’t know'
And he didn't get 50% from Tories in any... It was possible to get 100% in them all
Yes, THEORETICALLY people can tick all of them. In practice, in questions like this they don't, as you will see if you trouble to find similar sets of questions for other politicians.
This is pretty basic stuff.
So are you suggesting that people are incapable of following the survey instructions and instead decide to do their own thing?
It seems to me that if it says 'Tick All That Apply' and people then don't tick some of them then it is reasonable to believe that that actually means they don't think those qualities apply rather than they can't be bothered to fill in the survey properly.
Conservatives on here are not typical of Conservative voters
Nobody on here is typical of any voters.....
Truer words rarely spoken. I think I may have met one or two typical voters though. Weird people.
Less than 50% of Tories think Cameron cuts the mustard on any quality measured
Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) 11/03/2015 14:23 How Tories and Kippers see @David_Cameron -> pic.twitter.com/SN6bpxHcGp
Err, no. You have completely misunderstood the question.
Don't think so, ( try not to be smart btw)
How so?
It's not a question where punters are asked 'Do you think XXX is good in a crisis? Yes/No/Don't Know'. It's a question where punters select the characteristics themselves from those on offer. Typically on questions like this they don't select more than about (say) 3 - basically the characteristics they most associate with the politician.
So, it doesn't mean what you said.
I'm afraid you are wrong
'Thinking about Prime Minister David Cameron, which of the following qualities do you think he has? Please tick all that apply. Sticks to what he believes in Decisive Strong A natural leader Charismatic Good in a crisis Honest In touch with the concerns of ordinary people None of these Don’t know'
And he didn't get 50% from Tories in any... It was possible to get 100% in them all
Yes, THEORETICALLY people can tick all of them. In practice, in questions like this they don't, as you will see if you trouble to find similar sets of questions for other politicians.
This is pretty basic stuff.
So are you suggesting that people are incapable of following the survey instructions and instead decide to do their own thing?
It seems to me that if it says 'Tick All That Apply' and people then don't tick some of them then it is reasonable to believe that that actually means they don't think those qualities apply rather than they can't be bothered to fill in the survey properly.
Conservatives on here are not typical of Conservative voters
For starters we are PB Tories... The clue is in the name!
I steer clear of lazy stereotyping and "go to phrases"
The latter sums me up to a tee hah! Not the former though. I'll give anyone the benefit of the doubt in terms of becoming a PB Tory
Less than 50% of Tories think Cameron cuts the mustard on any quality measured
Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) 11/03/2015 14:23 How Tories and Kippers see @David_Cameron -> pic.twitter.com/SN6bpxHcGp
Err, no. You have completely misunderstood the question.
Don't think so, ( try not to be smart btw)
How so?
It's not a question where punters are asked 'Do you think XXX is good in a crisis? Yes/No/Don't Know'. It's a question where punters select the characteristics themselves from those on offer. Typically on questions like this they don't select more than about (say) 3 - basically the characteristics they most associate with the politician.
So, it doesn't mean what you said.
I'm afraid you are wrong
'Thinking about Prime Minister David Cameron, which of the following qualities do you think he has? Please tick all that apply. Sticks to what he believes in Decisive Strong A natural leader Charismatic Good in a crisis Honest In touch with the concerns of ordinary people None of these Don’t know'
And he didn't get 50% from Tories in any... It was possible to get 100% in them all
Weird Ed got less than 20% of Lab supporters thinking he is strong, decisive, good in a crisis, a natural leader, or charismatic.
Cameron only got less than one in five (8%) Con supporters for "none of these". Miliband was rated as nota by one in six Lab supporters.
Total quality-percentage-sum for each leader from their own support (ie adding up the percentage that each gets for all the 'qualities')
Miliband 216 Clegg 240 Cameron 294
Ed is Crap 216/700 = 31% Clegg 240/700 = 32% Cameron the master debater 294/700 = 42%
Less than 50% of Tories think Cameron cuts the mustard on any quality measured
Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) 11/03/2015 14:23 How Tories and Kippers see @David_Cameron -> pic.twitter.com/SN6bpxHcGp
Err, no. You have completely misunderstood the question.
Don't think so, ( try not to be smart btw)
How so?
It's not a question where punters are asked 'Do you think XXX is good in a crisis? Yes/No/Don't Know'. It's a question where punters select the characteristics themselves from those on offer. Typically on questions like this they don't select more than about (say) 3 - basically the characteristics they most associate with the politician.
So, it doesn't mean what you said.
I'm afraid you are wrong
'Thinking about Prime Minister David Cameron, which of the following qualities do you think he has? Please tick all that apply. Sticks to what he believes in Decisive Strong A natural leader Charismatic Good in a crisis Honest In touch with the concerns of ordinary people None of these Don’t know'
And he didn't get 50% from Tories in any... It was possible to get 100% in them all
You're drawing the wrong conclusion. Given that Conservative supporters are overwhelmingly satisfied with his performance, the correct conclusion can only be that many Conservative supporters simply don't regard these attributes as particularly important in judging their leader.
I would like to suggest another possibility. The description "satisfied" is a lot less enthusiastic than many of the descriptive terms in the aforementioned survey. Speaking on an individual basis, I am broadly satisfied with David Cameron's leadership. The Prime Minister has done a reasonable job overseeing a difficult fiscal retrenchment, has navigated us through some complex foreign policy issues, and has come over as an effective statesman when required. He has been a solid six out of ten leader. I would not describe him as a strong, decisive natural leader that is great in a crisis, even though I regard such attributes as important.
Then again.. Rochester.. you are sure of yourself even when wildly wrong
I wasn't sure of myself on Rochester. I was however sure of myself on our Labour manifesto bet, which I will win and you will lose!
What is this Labour Manifesto bet - I sincerely hope it's not about the damn thing making any sort of logical sense.
No, no, certainly not!
The bet was that isam thought Labour would go for an EU In/Out referendum.
Yes, taking candy from a baby, I know. He actually offered to increase the bet but I didn't have the heart to take another sweet off him so I didn't take it up.
It was 2/1 wasn't it?
I don't recall - I'll have to check my notes.
Yeah I don't think I thought they would, but was prepared to bet they might
You misunderstand what I am saying, and are proving nothing with your tables. You are proving a point that I am not questioning
I am not saying he is unpopular with his own supporters, I am saying he is popular because he is the Conservative PM rather than any identifiable quality.. they like him because he is their guy and he is PM, because he stopped the PM being a Labour guy as it had for 13 years
Ascribing qualities to him personally misses that point, and when asked, Conservative voters didn't unanimously say he was specifcally good at anything
There are multiple difficulties with that theory:
1) David Cameron is more popular than his party, and has been so pretty consistently for a long time. So it's not just that he's Conservative leader - he clearly appeals to a considerable number of voters for other reasons.
2) His approval ratings both with his party and with the wider electorate have fluctuated over the years but seem to be on an upward trend. There wouldn't be any great variation in his ratings if your theory of slavish adoration by the Conservative public had anything much in it.
3) You assume that the only attributes that the public value in a Prime Minister are those listed. That seems a very dangerous and almost certainly incorrect assumption to me.
4) As Richard Nabavi correctly points out, people will answer this type of multiple selection question in varying ways when polled.
Less than 50% of Tories think Cameron cuts the mustard on any quality measured
Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) 11/03/2015 14:23 How Tories and Kippers see @David_Cameron -> pic.twitter.com/SN6bpxHcGp
Err, no. You have completely misunderstood the question.
Don't think so, ( try not to be smart btw)
How so?
It's not a question where punters are asked 'Do you think XXX is good in a crisis? Yes/No/Don't Know'. It's a question where punters select the characteristics themselves from those on offer. Typically on questions like this they don't select more than about (say) 3 - basically the characteristics they most associate with the politician.
So, it doesn't mean what you said.
I'm afraid you are wrong
'Thinking about Prime Minister David Cameron, which of the following qualities do you think he has? Please tick all that apply. Sticks to what he believes in Decisive Strong A natural leader Charismatic Good in a crisis Honest In touch with the concerns of ordinary people None of these Don’t know'
And he didn't get 50% from Tories in any... It was possible to get 100% in them all
Weird Ed got less than 20% of Lab supporters thinking he is strong, decisive, good in a crisis, a natural leader, or charismatic.
Cameron only got less than one in five (8%) Con supporters for "none of these". Miliband was rated as nota by one in six Lab supporters.
Total quality-percentage-sum for each leader from their own support (ie adding up the percentage that each gets for all the 'qualities')
Miliband 216 Clegg 240 Cameron 294
Ed is Crap 216/700 = 31% Clegg 240/700 = 32% Cameron the master debater 294/700 = 42%
What is the pass mark?
41% thought so
40,%, old bean, or a "Douglas". Not been to uni, I take it...
Less than 50% of Tories think Cameron cuts the mustard on any quality measured
Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) 11/03/2015 14:23 How Tories and Kippers see @David_Cameron -> pic.twitter.com/SN6bpxHcGp
Err, no. You have completely misunderstood the question.
Don't think so, ( try not to be smart btw)
How so?
It's not a question where punters are asked 'Do you think XXX is good in a crisis? Yes/No/Don't Know'. It's a question where punters select the characteristics themselves from those on offer. Typically on questions like this they don't select more than about (say) 3 - basically the characteristics they most associate with the politician.
So, it doesn't mean what you said.
I'm afraid you are wrong
'Thinking about Prime Minister David Cameron, which of the following qualities do you think he has? Please tick all that apply. Sticks to what he believes in Decisive Strong A natural leader Charismatic Good in a crisis Honest In touch with the concerns of ordinary people None of these Don’t know'
And he didn't get 50% from Tories in any... It was possible to get 100% in them all
You're drawing the wrong conclusion. Given that Conservative supporters are overwhelmingly satisfied with his performance, the correct conclusion can only be that many Conservative supporters simply don't regard these attributes as particularly important in judging their leader.
He has been a solid six out of ten leader.
Seems about right. Miliband probably rates as a 4-5 out of 10 by comparison.
Less than 50% of Tories think Cameron cuts the mustard on any quality measured
Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) 11/03/2015 14:23 How Tories and Kippers see @David_Cameron -> pic.twitter.com/SN6bpxHcGp
Err, no. You have completely misunderstood the question.
Don't think so, ( try not to be smart btw)
How so?
It's not a question where punters are asked 'Do you think XXX is good in a crisis? Yes/No/Don't Know'. It's a question where punters select the characteristics themselves from those on offer. Typically on questions like this they don't select more than about (say) 3 - basically the characteristics they most associate with the politician.
So, it doesn't mean what you said.
I'm afraid you are wrong
'Thinking about Prime Minister David Cameron, which of the following qualities do you think he has? Please tick all that apply. Sticks to what he believes in Decisive Strong A natural leader Charismatic Good in a crisis Honest In touch with the concerns of ordinary people None of these Don’t know'
And he didn't get 50% from Tories in any... It was possible to get 100% in them all
Yes, THEORETICALLY people can tick all of them. In practice, in questions like this they don't, as you will see if you trouble to find similar sets of questions for other politicians.
This is pretty basic stuff.
So are you suggesting that people are incapable of following the survey instructions and instead decide to do their own thing?
It seems to me that if it says 'Tick All That Apply' and people then don't tick some of them then it is reasonable to believe that that actually means they don't think those qualities apply rather than they can't be bothered to fill in the survey properly.
Conservatives on here are not typical of Conservative voters
For starters we are PB Tories... The clue is in the name!
Ah, now. PB Tory has a very specialised definition. In fact I think we should apply to the EU for protected designation of origin status.
"Britains Racist Election A timely exploration of how an infamous anti-immigration campaign in the 1964 General Election tore a community apart and triggered one of the worst chapters in British race relations"
On the multiple-choice characteristics question, the only valid way of interpreting them is to compare the results (given the same question and list of attributes) for different politicians. Essentially they are giving you a picture of two things: the general degree of approval (clearly Kippers in that survey don't rate Cameron, but the figures for Conservative supporters are unsurprisingly very good), and the key attributes which the respondents associate with the politician from amongst those listed.
Less than 50% of Tories think Cameron cuts the mustard on any quality measured
Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) 11/03/2015 14:23 How Tories and Kippers see @David_Cameron -> pic.twitter.com/SN6bpxHcGp
Err, no. You have completely misunderstood the question.
Don't think so, ( try not to be smart btw)
How so?
It's not a question where punters are asked 'Do you think XXX is good in a crisis? Yes/No/Don't Know'. It's a question where punters select the characteristics themselves from those on offer. Typically on questions like this they don't select more than about (say) 3 - basically the characteristics they most associate with the politician.
So, it doesn't mean what you said.
I'm afraid you are wrong
'Thinking about Prime Minister David Cameron, which of the following qualities do you think he has? Please tick all that apply. Sticks to what he believes in Decisive Strong A natural leader Charismatic Good in a crisis Honest In touch with the concerns of ordinary people None of these Don’t know'
And he didn't get 50% from Tories in any... It was possible to get 100% in them all
Yes, THEORETICALLY people can tick all of them. In practice, in questions like this they don't, as you will see if you trouble to find similar sets of questions for other politicians.
This is pretty basic stuff.
So are you suggesting that people are incapable of following the survey instructions and instead decide to do their own thing?
It seems to me that if it says 'Tick All That Apply' and people then don't tick some of them then it is reasonable to believe that that actually means they don't think those qualities apply rather than they can't be bothered to fill in the survey properly.
Conservatives on here are not typical of Conservative voters
For starters we are PB Tories... The clue is in the name!
Ah, now. PB Tory has a very specialised definition. In fact I think we should apply to the EU for protected designation of origin status.
Quite right, much like how quality Champagne is distinguished from knock-off own-brand sparkling wine
"If two colleagues fall out it is a matter between them."
The star of the show and the assistant producer are not collegues. The BBC will use assistant producer to describe anyone from PA to the person who cleans the cars.
The Top Gear producer who was involved in the fracas is Oisin Tymon. He is not a PA nor cleans cars. The dispute is between him and Clarkson. The BBC should stay out of the dispute. They should certainly not be banning the show but getting another producer if needed.
Comments
She seems to be criticising the BBC for scrapping the programme.
http://image.slidesharecdn.com/february15polmonitorchartsvithrfinal-150212060647-conversion-gate01/95/february-2015-ipsos-mori-political-monitor-11-1024.jpg?cb=1423744812
Presumably they see other qualities in him.
He can rule out a coalition and still keep the door open for deals.
It struck me as the kind of thing that could be made illegal overnight at the stroke of a pen. Kudos to those that priced this risk correctly. Nah. Marcus Brigstocke, Sandy Toksvig and Stephen Fry.
"The BBC will have to learn how to deal with its larger than life stars. They should take a lesson from Arsene Wenger who deals with big stars all the time"
https://news.vice.com/article/anger-at-greek-threat-to-unleash-wave-of-migrants-and-jihadists-if-europe-leaves-it-in-crisis
And Michael Foot.
And John Smith.
And Tony Blair.
And Gordon Brown.
And Ed Miliband.
I was also bemused why they thought John Prescott was such a great bloke. To me he was just a fat inarticulate lecherous troughing yob.
Its like the sort of kids at school who went to the teacher crying "Sir, he hit me, sir"
Mr. T, the jihadist passport line from Greece is utterly despicable, but may be indicative of the sentiment of at least part of the governing coalition (and perhaps the people) in Greece.
People are partisan, who knew?
I'd expect labour supporters will be keener on ed m if he is PM in a couple if months than they are now
But as the specific polling shows, a majority don't feel he is anything special in any department
"If two colleagues fall out it is a matter between them."
The star of the show and the assistant producer are not collegues. The BBC will use assistant producer to describe anyone from PA to the person who cleans the cars.
How so?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_1FkDhWcAEK-eX.png:large
See this article on Nielsen trying to move in on TV ratings for streamed shows:
http://time.com/3594946/netflix-nielsen-tv-ratings/
So, it doesn't mean what you said.
Who at the BBC is going to get the short straw to grovel to the horrid Neanderthal knuckle-dragging Clarkson? "Please sign for another three series, Mister Clarkson sir...PLEASE...." so that they can all stay in their fantastic properties up there on the Moral High Ground?
"The views of all the little people are just superb....how could we ever possibly contemplate a move?"
'Thinking about Prime Minister David Cameron, which of the following qualities do you think he has? Please tick all
that apply.
Sticks to what he believes in Decisive Strong A natural leader Charismatic Good in a crisis Honest In touch with the concerns of ordinary people None of these Don’t know'
And he didn't get 50% from Tories in any... It was possible to get 100% in them all
This is pretty basic stuff.
Cameron only got less than one in five (8%) Con supporters for "none of these". Miliband was rated as nota by one in six Lab supporters.
David Cameron isnt thought of as any of the things listed by 50% of Tory supporters polled, that's what I said, and its true
I said it showed Conservatives on here were atypically favourable to him and your reaction is backing me up
The point is it shows no one thinks he is particularly great at anything.. they like him because he is the Conservative PM
Surely that should have been a quality
People prefer stepping barefoot in mud than they do dog shit as well I suppose
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/03/ed-balls-profile-keyness-bulldog
" One MP told me that Balls had declared during the 2010 contest, “There are two people who are up to this job: one’s David Miliband and one’s me.”
He added that Balls believed that Ed Miliband “hadn’t grown” since his election and felt “dreadfully sorry” about his failure to connect with voters."
Then again.. Rochester.. you are sure of yourself even when wildly wrong
If ten people who knew you were asked
"Do you think of Richard as
Kind
Clever
Considerate
Generous
Thoughtful
Wise
Tick as many as you like"
And you didn't score 5 in any of them, you would think that ok?
It seems to me that if it says 'Tick All That Apply' and people then don't tick some of them then it is reasonable to believe that that actually means they don't think those qualities apply rather than they can't be bothered to fill in the survey properly.
I would neither buy a car from nor give a job to any of the current leaders. So it all cancels out, and we can concentrate on the ishoos.
ed's crapness is of course an ishoo, for these purposes.
You don't like Mori showing that to be guff? Try Opinium.
Net rating (own party) +88%.
Respondents are not being stupid. They are, not unreasonably, answering a question which appears to asking about 'what sort of person is Cameron?'. They have been asked firstly to 'think about David Cameron'. Following that instruction, they then select the characteristics which most closely match their thoughts about him. They are selecting the strongest matches.
As I said, this is pretty basic stuff in terms of the psychology of people responding to surveys.
Miliband 216
Clegg 240
Cameron 294
I’ve learnt that Jeremy Clarkson was once cautioned by a Metropolitan Police Officer and that this radicalised him. A spokesman for the government-funded charity BRAKE said that, “he had been such a nice quiet boy up until that time and had never ever exceeded the speed limit”.
The commissioner of the Metropolitan Police Force apologised for any upset that his officers might have caused and said, “Jeremy has committed no crime and will be welcome back in London at any time”.
BBC Newsnight will address the question, “What pushed Jeremy Clarkson off the rails? Where did we all go wrong?”
“Whatever Justine chooses to call herself is up to her, but this feels like Labour chasing the political benefit of rebranding her a "Miliband". As if wheeling out a soft interview with The Wife a couple of months before an election isn’t crass enough.
It also goes against Miliband's insistence that the thing he’s learned most since becoming leader is to be himself. “I am not from central casting,” he says. A rather hollow statement when he's been spooked into the old political trick of using family as campaign fodder.”
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/03/justine-thorntons-rebrand-mrs-miliband-shows-how-ed-again-torn-two
"You clearly have never watched the programme, and you also have no concept of how TV narratives work, which neatly explains why, in your entirely forgotten broadcasting career, the highest rung you reached was Director of a TV commercial about tampons."
How depressing that must be for you to think that I earn more than you and you believe it's for shooting tampon commercials!
I am not saying he is unpopular with his own supporters, I am saying he is popular because he is the Conservative PM rather than any identifiable quality.. they like him because he is their guy and he is PM, because he stopped the PM being a Labour guy as it had for 13 years
Ascribing qualities to him personally misses that point, and when asked, Conservative voters didn't unanimously say he was specifcally good at anything
People on here say he is great at this and that when he does this or that, but most people in the real world are just supporting their team
God forbid we have someone who wants to stride the global stage starting wars all over the place, or whose meddling and general buffoonery is likely to collapse the banking system and bankrupt NHS trusts with PFI vanity projects.
You're probably put out that I didn't mention UKIP in my reply to you. Ok, Miliband gets no more than one in twenty kippers assigning him any of these qualities.
The closest I've come to having a door shut deliberately in my face was when an interloper tried to slam the yett of a castle on yours truly. They did not escape the wrath of Mrs JackW - who was a sight to behold in full flight and righteous indignation - What a gal.
What a strange thing to say, I couldn't care less if you replied at all
The bet was that isam thought Labour would go for an EU In/Out referendum.
Yes, taking candy from a baby, I know. He actually offered to increase the bet but I didn't have the heart to take another sweet off him so I didn't take it up.
I recall it being a rather forced choice between Dave and Ed, so people like me had to indicate which they preferred before answering questions on leadership.
Of the two I would prefer Dave, but would not count myself a Con supporter.
One question was on the nuclear button. I would not trust either with it!
Ah, my coat!
Do try and cheer up
1) David Cameron is more popular than his party, and has been so pretty consistently for a long time. So it's not just that he's Conservative leader - he clearly appeals to a considerable number of voters for other reasons.
2) His approval ratings both with his party and with the wider electorate have fluctuated over the years but seem to be on an upward trend. There wouldn't be any great variation in his ratings if your theory of slavish adoration by the Conservative public had anything much in it.
3) You assume that the only attributes that the public value in a Prime Minister are those listed. That seems a very dangerous and almost certainly incorrect assumption to me.
4) As Richard Nabavi correctly points out, people will answer this type of multiple selection question in varying ways when polled.
Clegg 240/700 = 32%
Cameron the master debater 294/700 = 42%
What is the pass mark?
41% thought so
"Is Alastair
Witty
Clever
Handsome
Attractive
Kind
Generous
Articulate
Tick as many as you feel apply"
And you didn't get 5 ticks in any category, would you be pleased? If it were me I would be disappointed, but we are all different
https://twitter.com/RabtheBrew/status/575366202425479170/photo/1
"Britains Racist Election
A timely exploration of how an infamous anti-immigration campaign in the 1964 General Election tore a community apart and triggered one of the worst chapters in British race relations"
"Timely".
Subtle..
"http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/tv-radio/jeremy-clarkson-suspended-producer-oisin-5309461"