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The next PB get-together will take place on Tuesday March 17th from 7pm at the Shooting Star in Middlesex Street. As the map below shows this is just round the corner from our normal venue, Dirty Dicks. We are hoping that this will be less crowded and noisy than the pre-Christmas bash. Thanks to Fat Steve for finding the new venue.

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  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    edited March 2015
    A comment.
    1st?
    Oh, and good 'toon.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,100

    FPT
    JPJ2 said:

    Dr Spyn

    "Kick the SNP day"

    What a democratic farce Westminster is:

    Umpteen attacks on the SNP by Cameron and another henchman at PMQs but not a single SNP member called by the Speaker. Still, the attacks on the SNP are already an attack on about half the people of Scotland, so the end of the Union becomes ever more likely.

    I can see the elite already working on the excuses to deny the SNP (if they are the third party) the privileged treatment the LibDems enjoyed for their leader when they were on the Opposition side of the house.
    .

    Spot on. See this comment in the National.

    http://www.thenational.scot/politics/analysis-septembers-love-is-lost-as-scots-become-the-target-in-general-election-open-season.933

    And we are trying to take part in the infernal Union and its Parliament!!

    And the latter denial is already happening. SNP being refused pre-election conversations with the Civil Service. And they now have more votes than the LDs ...

    http://www.thenational.scot/politics/nicola-sturgeon-attacks-uk-treasury-as-transparently-party-political.911
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,527
    Tele and Graun speak as one.

    John Harris ‏@johnharris1969 45 mins45 minutes ago
    And still Cameron goes on and on abt the SNP, like a broken Dalek. Good for their poll ratings; the union looking ever-more fragile #PMQs

    Ben Riley-Smith ‏@benrileysmith 37 mins37 minutes ago
    SNP must be loving all these Tory warnings on Westminster influence -- exactly the message they're trying to tell Scottish voters.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    @felix

    I whacked your argument out of the ground, you look ridiculous, give up
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Yvette Cooper on the WATO peddling her husbands flawed figures.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Tele and Graun speak as one.

    John Harris ‏@johnharris1969 45 mins45 minutes ago
    And still Cameron goes on and on abt the SNP, like a broken Dalek. Good for their poll ratings; the union looking ever-more fragile #PMQs

    Ben Riley-Smith ‏@benrileysmith 37 mins37 minutes ago
    SNP must be loving all these Tory warnings on Westminster influence -- exactly the message they're trying to tell Scottish voters.

    Makes EV4EL and super devo-max ever more likely, which is the closest thing to a winning outcome for both the Tories and SNP.

    Labour are being pincered in no-man's land.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,626
    Nice cartoon, Marf!! :naughty:
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,738
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Tele and Graun speak as one.

    John Harris ‏@johnharris1969 45 mins45 minutes ago
    And still Cameron goes on and on abt the SNP, like a broken Dalek. Good for their poll ratings; the union looking ever-more fragile #PMQs

    Ben Riley-Smith ‏@benrileysmith 37 mins37 minutes ago
    SNP must be loving all these Tory warnings on Westminster influence -- exactly the message they're trying to tell Scottish voters.

    Mutual interest in the destruction of Labour, particularly in Scotland.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    FPT - On marriage and divorce.

    In general I take the view that if there are lots of divorces then it's probably a good thing if the number of marriages also declines. Better not to enter into the marriage in the first place.

    That or adopt the practice found in some science fiction tales whereby a marriage contract has a set duration at the outset, and has to be explicitly renewed.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,626
    SeanT said:

    As far as I can see, about 1000 people a minute, at least, are right now signing the Clarkson petition.

    Imagine if politics could generate such interest.

    (Phil) Hammond and (Theresa) May not as popular as Clarkson!
  • saddosaddo Posts: 534
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Tele and Graun speak as one.

    John Harris ‏@johnharris1969 45 mins45 minutes ago
    And still Cameron goes on and on abt the SNP, like a broken Dalek. Good for their poll ratings; the union looking ever-more fragile #PMQs

    Ben Riley-Smith ‏@benrileysmith 37 mins37 minutes ago
    SNP must be loving all these Tory warnings on Westminster influence -- exactly the message they're trying to tell Scottish voters.

    Strategically, the Tories want Labour to be completely smashed in Scotland, as its insurance against any Labour improvement in England. It also such up huge Labour Party energy and resources in a place where worst case, the Tories lose 1 seat.

    Is it now safe to say that Miliband has now lost it? On Sunday, you have his crazy, laughable idea of legislating for TV debates. Today he uses all 6 questions on the debates, something that interests 4% of the population. Labour used to be pretty astute users of polling information. It now looks like Ed has said I don't care what the polls say, I'm doing it my way, and if I lose, I lose on my terms.

    Its very likely to get much worse for labour from now on.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,232
    SeanT said:

    As far as I can see, about 1000 people a minute, at least, are right now signing the Clarkson petition.

    Imagine if politics could generate such interest.

    That means 6 billion people per minute aren't signing the petition. Perspective, people!!
  • PolruanPolruan Posts: 2,083
    Pulpstar said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Tele and Graun speak as one.

    John Harris ‏@johnharris1969 45 mins45 minutes ago
    And still Cameron goes on and on abt the SNP, like a broken Dalek. Good for their poll ratings; the union looking ever-more fragile #PMQs

    Ben Riley-Smith ‏@benrileysmith 37 mins37 minutes ago
    SNP must be loving all these Tory warnings on Westminster influence -- exactly the message they're trying to tell Scottish voters.

    Mutual interest in the destruction of Labour, particularly in Scotland.
    Cameron would rather be PM of England & Wales than retired in the United Kingdom...?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,446
    SeanT said:

    As far as I can see, about 1000 people a minute, at least, are right now signing the Clarkson petition.

    Imagine if politics could generate such interest.

    The BBC don't really like Clarkson, and detest his politics. I think at heart they'd rather not have to deal with him and find it deeply frustrating that him and Top Gear are such an enormous commercial success, as opposed to some of their more internally favoured presenters and programmes.

    I suspect a fudge will be found after a period on the naughty step, both for political (Clarkson is the stock answer to accusations of BBC corporate leftist bias) and commercial reasons.

  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    Fpt @MarkSenior , given that you're "pretty sure", who specifically is it that you believe would support Clarkson if he had been "been doing Saville type crimes"?

    Time to name names. Or stop talking such cr@p.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,232
    Polruan said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Tele and Graun speak as one.

    John Harris ‏@johnharris1969 45 mins45 minutes ago
    And still Cameron goes on and on abt the SNP, like a broken Dalek. Good for their poll ratings; the union looking ever-more fragile #PMQs

    Ben Riley-Smith ‏@benrileysmith 37 mins37 minutes ago
    SNP must be loving all these Tory warnings on Westminster influence -- exactly the message they're trying to tell Scottish voters.

    Mutual interest in the destruction of Labour, particularly in Scotland.
    Cameron would rather be PM of England & Wales than retired in the United Kingdom...?
    If he's clever, he'll be penning a manifesto commitment for a federal Britain. Equal powers for each country.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    FPT. Indigo.

    On what basis.

    Since I clearly said people "getting married today", and therefore on average getting divorced in 8 years time.

    The overall divorce rate is currently 42%, but the average figure includes people in their 60's and 70's which have a very low divorce rate, conversely people who are "getting married today" must have a substantially higher divorce rate to balance the average.

    Entirely wrong on both counts:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/divorce/10622297/Marriage-stronger-than-for-a-generation-despite-increase-in-divorces.html

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,626
    Tories now 2.0% ahead in part-ELBOW for the week's polls so far! (1.9% yesterday)
    "I think we will finally see crossover in an official week-ending ELBOW this Sunday!" - Lord Sunil.

    Con 33.6
    Lab 31.6
    UKIP 14.6
    LD 7.9
    Grn 6.1
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,527
    edited March 2015
    Pulpstar said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Tele and Graun speak as one.

    John Harris ‏@johnharris1969 45 mins45 minutes ago
    And still Cameron goes on and on abt the SNP, like a broken Dalek. Good for their poll ratings; the union looking ever-more fragile #PMQs

    Ben Riley-Smith ‏@benrileysmith 37 mins37 minutes ago
    SNP must be loving all these Tory warnings on Westminster influence -- exactly the message they're trying to tell Scottish voters.

    Mutual interest in the destruction of Labour, particularly in Scotland.
    Yep, but for genuine Unionists (not sure how many of those are left), it's an uncomfortable, unspoken pact with unknowable consequences. They've only just recovered from the last scare.

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Mr @A_Man_Called_Horse I rarely drag a conversation across threads - but here I go.
    "I read the DT for Tim Stanley..."

    Ah, Tim "Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry are not anti-intellectual" Stanley of the ever-slapworthy chipmunk-face, bless...
    Tim Stanley is a total gent and immensely polite. I will defend him until Judgment Day. I may be an atheist, but he gets my vote. He's also super on horror film reviews.
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    JonnyJimmy said:

    Fpt @MarkSenior , given that you're "pretty sure", who specifically is it that you believe would support Clarkson if he had been "been doing Saville type crimes"?

    Time to name names. Or stop talking such cr@p.

    nobody knows what it is that he's done, do they? and yet they are supporting regardless
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,626
    FPT
    Would love it if there were a Top Gear-style programme for trains :)
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    OblitusSumMe said:

    FPT - On marriage and divorce.

    In general I take the view that if there are lots of divorces then it's probably a good thing if the number of marriages also declines. Better not to enter into the marriage in the first place.

    That or adopt the practice found in some science fiction tales whereby a marriage contract has a set duration at the outset, and has to be explicitly renewed.

    Wasn't one or more of our political parties talking about granting marriage rights to cohabiting partners, so your long term girlfriend gets a maintenance settlement etc. The only way not to get screwed, would be not to get screwed (so to speak) or at the most only have a selection of short term partners.

    Its beginning to sound like IR35, where the social services will attempt to look through the contractual arrangement (or lack there of) and deem the underlying relationship according to the circumstances, no danger of any problems there ;)
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    SeanT said:

    As far as I can see, about 1000 people a minute, at least, are right now signing the Clarkson petition.

    Imagine if politics could generate such interest.

    How many people a minute are not signing it ?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,232
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    FPT
    Would love it if there were a Top Gear-style programme for trains :)

    I'd watch it....
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,626
    FPT
    'And thus spake Sunil unto his PB disciples: "Know ye that the Lord God was NOT married to the mother of His only begotten Son!"' - Psunils, 11:3:15.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,232
    MarkSenior said:

    SeanT said:

    As far as I can see, about 1000 people a minute, at least, are right now signing the Clarkson petition.

    Imagine if politics could generate such interest.

    How many people a minute are not signing it ?
    Already made that point up thread ;)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,626
    MarkSenior said:

    SeanT said:

    As far as I can see, about 1000 people a minute, at least, are right now signing the Clarkson petition.

    Imagine if politics could generate such interest.

    How many people a minute are not signing it ?
    Is it LD policy to ban petitions?
  • A_Man_Called_HorseA_Man_Called_Horse Posts: 100
    Funny to see the location map... I walk past Dirty Dick's many evenings -- keep meaning to take a photograph of its neon sign.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    RobD said:

    MarkSenior said:

    SeanT said:

    As far as I can see, about 1000 people a minute, at least, are right now signing the Clarkson petition.

    Imagine if politics could generate such interest.

    How many people a minute are not signing it ?
    Already made that point up thread ;)
    Well done , I see SeanT has gone into hysterical hyperbole mode
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    MarkSenior said:

    SeanT said:

    As far as I can see, about 1000 people a minute, at least, are right now signing the Clarkson petition.

    Imagine if politics could generate such interest.

    How many people a minute are not signing it ?
    Is it LD policy to ban petitions?
    Of course not , you silly man .
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,626
    MarkSenior said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    MarkSenior said:

    SeanT said:

    As far as I can see, about 1000 people a minute, at least, are right now signing the Clarkson petition.

    Imagine if politics could generate such interest.

    How many people a minute are not signing it ?
    Is it LD policy to ban petitions?
    Of course not , you silly man .
    Don't be stupid, be a smarty!
    Join the Liberal Democrat Party!
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/575650903795089408
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/575651327407177729
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited March 2015
    ThomasNashe said:

    FPT. Indigo.

    On what basis.

    Since I clearly said people "getting married today", and therefore on average getting divorced in 8 years time.

    The overall divorce rate is currently 42%, but the average figure includes people in their 60's and 70's which have a very low divorce rate, conversely people who are "getting married today" must have a substantially higher divorce rate to balance the average.

    Entirely wrong on both counts:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/divorce/10622297/Marriage-stronger-than-for-a-generation-despite-increase-in-divorces.html
    Or not
    Nevertheless an estimated 42 per cent of marriages will end in divorce.

    “I believe the economic situation, with the UK falling in and out of recession, has played a key role: a greater number of businesses go into liquidation when a country emerges from recession, and in my experience this principle applies to marriages too.
    “Couples will struggle through times of adversity as best they can, but eventually find that despite their best efforts, they simply can’t go on any longer.”
    Lets see what happens in a year or two as the economy recovers.... unless Ed gets elected of course in which case the divorce figures will no doubt continue to improve ;)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,738
    Well Beast of Burden looked great there... for about 2 miles frontrunning but faded badly coming into the home stretch !
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,296
    Is it possible that the furore over these election debates has just served to remind voters that, er, well, you know, there will soon be an election....which may be why the Tories are now suddenly gaining ground?

    Got to hand it to Ed.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,232
    JohnO said:

    Is it possible that the furore over these election debates has just served to remind voters that, er, well, you know, there will soon be an election....which may be why the Tories are now suddenly gaining ground?

    Got to hand it to Ed.

    It's the Blue Dawn.... ;)
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    MarkSenior said:

    SeanT said:

    As far as I can see, about 1000 people a minute, at least, are right now signing the Clarkson petition.

    Imagine if politics could generate such interest.

    How many people a minute are not signing it ?
    Is it LD policy to ban petitions?
    No, to ignore them, rather like EU referendums and other plebiscites that might reach the "wrong" conclusion ;)
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    My e/w punt

    Rolling Star in the 2.40 50/1.

    DYOR
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062
    FPT
    There used to be a Labour Cabinet Minister who every time she appeared on TV or spoke in parliament the most tedious Tory posters would refer to her shocking dress sense or some other sexist stuff for which PB Tories -of a certain type --used to specialise .

    Fortunately since the rise of UKIP this has largely stopped. The UKIPers don't do it and most of those Tories are embarrassed to look more old fashioned than the UKIPers. But one or two of the posts today particularly referring to lisps remind me sadly that not all have disappeared
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,296
    RobD said:

    JohnO said:

    Is it possible that the furore over these election debates has just served to remind voters that, er, well, you know, there will soon be an election....which may be why the Tories are now suddenly gaining ground?

    Got to hand it to Ed.

    It's the Blue Dawn.... ;)
    ...Is it not? ;)
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    SeanT said:

    MarkSenior said:

    SeanT said:

    As far as I can see, about 1000 people a minute, at least, are right now signing the Clarkson petition.

    Imagine if politics could generate such interest.

    How many people a minute are not signing it ?
    lol. The number of people who have signed the petition now outnumbers the membership of the Liberal Democrat party by a factor of ten.

    The petition has been up for 24 hours.
    All that shows is that are quite a few macho car fanatics who quite like right wing racist thugs .
  • PolruanPolruan Posts: 2,083
    edited March 2015
    JohnO said:

    Is it possible that the furore over these election debates has just served to remind voters that, er, well, you know, there will soon be an election....which may be why the Tories are now suddenly gaining ground?

    Got to hand it to Ed.

    To be fair, even Ed's "35... no 30... how about 28pc ?" strategy couldn't really hope to trick people into *just not noticing* the election til after it happened.
  • HortenceWitheringHortenceWithering Posts: 145
    Meanwhile 59,700,000 people have not signed the petition. It tells us everything we need to know that the reinstatement of a boorish oaf is the latest cause celebre of the right. These are the same people who were so up in arms and ranted here morning, noon and night about the Labour MP who got drunk and hit somebody in the Commons bar. Bang on cue the Hyperbolist-in-Chief arrives to whip them in to an even bigger frenzy.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,626
    HortenceWithering said:

    Meanwhile 59,700,000 people have not signed the petition. It tells us everything we need to know that the reinstatement of a boorish oaf is the latest cause celebre of the right. These are the same people who were so up in arms and ranted here morning, noon and night about the Labour MP who got drunk and hit somebody in the Commons bar. Bang on cue the Hyperbolist-in-Chief arrives to whip them in to an even bigger frenzy.

    OK, is it Labour policy to ban petitions then?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,496
    edited March 2015
    JohnO said:

    Is it possible that the furore over these election debates has just served to remind voters that, er, well, you know, there will soon be an election....which may be why the Tories are now suddenly gaining ground?


    Could be.


  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    MikeSmithson said:

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/575650903795089408

    Those are all leading questions and so get a skewed result.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,738
    Roger said:

    FPT
    There used to be a Labour Cabinet Minister who every time she appeared on TV or spoke in parliament the most tedious Tory posters would refer to her shocking dress sense or some other sexist stuff for which PB Tories -of a certain type --used to specialise .

    Fortunately since the rise of UKIP this has largely stopped. The UKIPers don't do it and most of those Tories are embarrassed to look more old fashioned than the UKIPers. But one or two of the posts today particularly referring to lisps remind me sadly that not all have disappeared

    I think you'll find it's not remotely sexist it's just a certain type of Tory gent likes to discuss dresses.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    HortenceWithering said:

    Meanwhile 59,700,000 people have not signed the petition. It tells us everything we need to know that the reinstatement of a boorish oaf is the latest cause celebre of the right. These are the same people who were so up in arms and ranted here morning, noon and night about the Labour MP who got drunk and hit somebody in the Commons bar. Bang on cue the Hyperbolist-in-Chief arrives to whip them in to an even bigger frenzy.

    How many people didn't sign the petition to ban Page 3 then ?
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    dugarbandier said:

    JonnyJimmy said:

    Fpt @MarkSenior , given that you're "pretty sure", who specifically is it that you believe would support Clarkson if he had been "been doing Saville type crimes"?

    Time to name names. Or stop talking such cr@p.

    nobody knows what it is that he's done, do they? and yet they are supporting regardless
    Do you think there's a chance he was suspended by the Beeb for Saville type crimes? And if he were, that there are plenty of people who would still support him?

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,626
    The Tories had an ELBOW score of 33.7% back at the beginning of August, their highest. They are currently on 33.6% in the part-ELBOW for polls so far this week.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,296
    Alanbrooke said:

    Roger said:

    FPT
    There used to be a Labour Cabinet Minister who every time she appeared on TV or spoke in parliament the most tedious Tory posters would refer to her shocking dress sense or some other sexist stuff for which PB Tories -of a certain type --used to specialise .

    Fortunately since the rise of UKIP this has largely stopped. The UKIPers don't do it and most of those Tories are embarrassed to look more old fashioned than the UKIPers. But one or two of the posts today particularly referring to lisps remind me sadly that not all have disappeared

    I think you'll find it's not remotely sexist it's just a certain type of Tory gent likes to discuss dresses.
    Or fluffy white tennis skirts, eh, Brookie?
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited March 2015
    deleted.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,626
    MarkSenior said:

    SeanT said:

    MarkSenior said:

    SeanT said:

    As far as I can see, about 1000 people a minute, at least, are right now signing the Clarkson petition.

    Imagine if politics could generate such interest.

    How many people a minute are not signing it ?
    lol. The number of people who have signed the petition now outnumbers the membership of the Liberal Democrat party by a factor of ten.

    The petition has been up for 24 hours.
    All that shows is that are quite a few macho car fanatics who quite like right wing racist thugs .
    "Seriously uncool" comment.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062
    mike

    Amazing though not unexpected figures. This looks like a slow burner. Wait till it gets closer to the time.
  • PolruanPolruan Posts: 2,083
    JonnyJimmy said:

    dugarbandier said:

    JonnyJimmy said:

    Fpt @MarkSenior , given that you're "pretty sure", who specifically is it that you believe would support Clarkson if he had been "been doing Saville type crimes"?

    Time to name names. Or stop talking such cr@p.

    nobody knows what it is that he's done, do they? and yet they are supporting regardless
    Do you think there's a chance he was suspended by the Beeb for Saville type crimes? And if he were, that there are plenty of people who would still support him?

    If he *was* suspended for assaulting a colleague the level of support is kind of surprising. If one of my family was assaulted at work I don't think I'd feel too good about a massive petition to protect the culprit from the normal repercussions.

    Has John Inverdale been suspended for inappropriate language yet btw?
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,302
    HortenceWithering said:

    Meanwhile 59,700,000 people have not signed the petition. It tells us everything we need to know that the reinstatement of a boorish oaf is the latest cause celebre of the right. These are the same people who were so up in arms and ranted here morning, noon and night about the Labour MP who got drunk and hit somebody in the Commons bar. Bang on cue the Hyperbolist-in-Chief arrives to whip them in to an even bigger frenzy.

    and your point is?
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Financier said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/575650903795089408

    Those are all leading questions and so get a skewed result.
    Did Comres ask " Ed Miliband is absolutely useless and Dave shouldn't waste his time debating with such a nasty little pipsqueak". You'd get about 70% for that too.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062
    Sunil


    "A seriously uncool comment"

    A seriously accurate comment

    Probably with tens of millions agreeing
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Roger said:

    mike

    Amazing though not unexpected figures. This looks like a slow burner. Wait till it gets closer to the time.

    Roger, "never knowingly right, either intentionally or unintentionally"
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,772
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    HortenceWithering said:

    Meanwhile 59,700,000 people have not signed the petition. It tells us everything we need to know that the reinstatement of a boorish oaf is the latest cause celebre of the right. These are the same people who were so up in arms and ranted here morning, noon and night about the Labour MP who got drunk and hit somebody in the Commons bar. Bang on cue the Hyperbolist-in-Chief arrives to whip them in to an even bigger frenzy.

    OK, is it Labour policy to ban petitions then?
    Silly ELBOW man!
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    SeanT said:

    MarkSenior said:

    SeanT said:

    MarkSenior said:

    SeanT said:

    As far as I can see, about 1000 people a minute, at least, are right now signing the Clarkson petition.

    Imagine if politics could generate such interest.

    How many people a minute are not signing it ?
    lol. The number of people who have signed the petition now outnumbers the membership of the Liberal Democrat party by a factor of ten.

    The petition has been up for 24 hours.
    All that shows is that are quite a few macho car fanatics who quite like right wing racist thugs .
    No, it shows that your sad, smelly little party is headed for much-deserved oblivion, whatever happens to Clarkson.
    Dream On , The Lib Dems will long outlast your right wing thuggish idol .
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,772
    SquareRoot said:

    Financier said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/575650903795089408

    Those are all leading questions and so get a skewed result.
    Did Comres ask " Ed Miliband is absolutely useless and Dave shouldn't waste his time debating with such a nasty little pipsqueak". You'd get about 70% for that too.
    Source
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,232
    Financier said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/575650903795089408

    Those are all leading questions and so get a skewed result.
    Well it was commissioned by ITV.
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    JonnyJimmy said:

    dugarbandier said:

    JonnyJimmy said:

    Fpt @MarkSenior , given that you're "pretty sure", who specifically is it that you believe would support Clarkson if he had been "been doing Saville type crimes"?

    Time to name names. Or stop talking such cr@p.

    nobody knows what it is that he's done, do they? and yet they are supporting regardless
    Do you think there's a chance he was suspended by the Beeb for Saville type crimes? And if he were, that there are plenty of people who would still support him?

    I think Clarkson is a tit. I think it unlikely he is a monster. We don't know what the alleged argument was about. Thousands of people signing this petition... mystifying
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    HortenceWithering said:

    It tells us everything we need to know that the reinstatement of a boorish oaf is the latest cause celebre of the right. These are the same people who were so up in arms and ranted here morning, noon and night about the Labour MP who got drunk and hit somebody in the Commons bar.

    It tells us everything we need to know about you that you have invented an entirely fictional set of posts about Eric Joyce.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    HortenceWithering said:

    Meanwhile 59,700,000 people have not signed the petition. It tells us everything we need to know that the reinstatement of a boorish oaf is the latest cause celebre of the right. These are the same people who were so up in arms and ranted here morning, noon and night about the Labour MP who got drunk and hit somebody in the Commons bar. Bang on cue the Hyperbolist-in-Chief arrives to whip them in to an even bigger frenzy.

    No need to bang on about child abuse. One only needs to look at the number of children NOT being abused to realise there is no problem.

    Worst. Argument. Evar.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,626
    bigjohnowls said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    HortenceWithering said:

    Meanwhile 59,700,000 people have not signed the petition. It tells us everything we need to know that the reinstatement of a boorish oaf is the latest cause celebre of the right. These are the same people who were so up in arms and ranted here morning, noon and night about the Labour MP who got drunk and hit somebody in the Commons bar. Bang on cue the Hyperbolist-in-Chief arrives to whip them in to an even bigger frenzy.

    OK, is it Labour policy to ban petitions then?
    Silly ELBOW man!
    ELBOW denier :)
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062
    edited March 2015
    Alanbrooke

    "I think you'll find it's not remotely sexist it's just a certain type of Tory gent likes to discuss dresses"

    I'm sure you're right. The size 16's they'll be squeezing into for their nights out at Madame JoJo's

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,772
    I am on Goodwood Mirage in the 2.40 E/W

    About 10/1 i think.

    DYOR

  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    MarkSenior said:

    SeanT said:

    MarkSenior said:

    SeanT said:

    As far as I can see, about 1000 people a minute, at least, are right now signing the Clarkson petition.

    Imagine if politics could generate such interest.

    How many people a minute are not signing it ?
    lol. The number of people who have signed the petition now outnumbers the membership of the Liberal Democrat party by a factor of ten.

    The petition has been up for 24 hours.
    All that shows is that are quite a few macho car fanatics who quite like right wing racist thugs .
    You see no element of self-mockery in the Star in a Reasonably Priced Car gag, for instance?

    The search for an LD with a sense of humour continues.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I provoked my husband into divorcing me on NYEve. It had to be his decision, not mine. He wanted out and attempted to engineer a conversation to confess. I stopped the awkwardness, because I loved him and knew it was all over ages before.

    Many women are snakes. That doesn't mean we're cold about it. We are still great friends and have an unspoken Cruel To Be Kind understanding. I did it because I love him, want him to be happy - and he didn't need me anymore, just somebody else.

    Simples.
    Indigo said:

    OblitusSumMe said:

    FPT - On marriage and divorce.

    In general I take the view that if there are lots of divorces then it's probably a good thing if the number of marriages also declines. Better not to enter into the marriage in the first place.

    That or adopt the practice found in some science fiction tales whereby a marriage contract has a set duration at the outset, and has to be explicitly renewed.

    Wasn't one or more of our political parties talking about granting marriage rights to cohabiting partners, so your long term girlfriend gets a maintenance settlement etc. The only way not to get screwed, would be not to get screwed (so to speak) or at the most only have a selection of short term partners.

    Its beginning to sound like IR35, where the social services will attempt to look through the contractual arrangement (or lack there of) and deem the underlying relationship according to the circumstances, no danger of any problems there ;)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,145
    The SeanT - Liberal Democrat spread bet: which which last longer?

    £1,000/year - capped at £10,000 perhaps. The LibDems are declared to be dead when they either: fall to below 5% in two successive general elections, or lose all their MPs, or merge into another party.

    SeanT is declared to be dead when... well, it's obvious really.

    No-one is allowed to nobble the bet by persuading SeanT to get back into his old habits.

    Who'd take which side?
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    bigjohnowls said:

    SquareRoot said:

    Financier said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/575650903795089408

    Those are all leading questions and so get a skewed result.
    Did Comres ask " Ed Miliband is absolutely useless and Dave shouldn't waste his time debating with such a nasty little pipsqueak". You'd get about 70% for that too.
    Source
    the same sample would give 70% for Dave is a chinless workshy fop

    wonder where the debates issue comes in the "important issues of the day" or salience or whatever it is called. somewhere below bangin on about europe is my guess
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    It would be an amazing coup if UKIP managed to sign up Jeremy Clarkson. I think I'll ask him later today.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,368
    Mr Senior,

    "All that shows is that are quite a few macho car fanatics who quite like right wing racist thugs."

    I signed the petition and I voted LD in 2001, 2005 and 2010. As I said earlier, Clarkson can be a knob head but he represents a strand of non-PC thinking. Why do left wing, posh people and young people think they know it all and are therefore required to force the plebs to do as they're told?

    Young people I can understand as I knew a lot more when I was younger. As Wilde said ... "Young people are always willing to give you the benefit of their inexperience."

    And I suppose posh, middle class people are naturally superior, especially if they read the Guardian.

    But this coffin dodger knows many who aren't.

    Lets hear it for the Weasels and Stoats (Kenneth Grahame).
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    https://twitter.com/ComResPolls/status/575652748005408768
  • Bond_James_BondBond_James_Bond Posts: 1,939
    FPT

    ThomasNashe Posts: 543
    1:22PM
    Indigo said:
    » show previous quotes
    On what basis.

    Since I clearly said people "getting married today", and therefore on average getting divorced in 8 years time.

    The overall divorce rate is currently 42%, but the average figure includes people in their 60's and 70's which have a very low divorce rate, conversely people who are "getting married today" must have a substantially higher divorce rate to balance the average.
    Entirely wrong on both counts:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/divorce/10622297/Marriage-stronger-than-for-a-generation-despite-increase-in-divorces.html

    1/ You would be mad to take no notice of a risk that had a 20 or 30 or 50% chance of occurring

    2/ that article fails to relate number of divorces to number of marriages. If there are 10 married couples and 6 get divorced over some period then clearly fewer will get divorced over any subsequent period.
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    CD13 said:



    Young people I can understand as I knew a lot more when I was younger. As Wilde said ... "Young people are always willing to give you the benefit of their inexperience."

    Ah, but I was so much older then
    I'm younger than that now.

    as yer man says
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited March 2015
    MikeSmithson said:

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/575650903795089408

    Am I right in thinking that at least 6% of people think that Milliband looks desperate for demanding a debate but is right to demand a debate.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,738
    edited March 2015
    bigjohnowls said:

    I am on Goodwood Mirage in the 2.40 E/W

    About 10/1 i think.

    DYOR

    A real pin on a stick race. Have followed Harry on this one for 1/4 pt E/W @ 50-1 ;)
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,496
    MikeK said:

    It would be an amazing coup if UKIP managed to sign up Jeremy Clarkson. I think I'll ask him later today.

    Isn't Clarkson very pro-European Union?

  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    SeanT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The SeanT - Liberal Democrat spread bet: which which last longer?

    £1,000/year - capped at £10,000 perhaps. The LibDems are declared to be dead when they either: fall to below 5% in two successive general elections, or lose all their MPs, or merge into another party.

    SeanT is declared to be dead when... well, it's obvious really.

    No-one is allowed to nobble the bet by persuading SeanT to get back into his old habits.

    Who'd take which side?

    For reasons I'm sure you understand, I will decline the wager.
    you could make a killing
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,496
    edited March 2015
    MikeSmithson said:

    https://twitter.com/ComResPolls/status/575652748005408768

    Key finding is that more people say the debates won't be important to them deciding who to vote for.

  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    MikeSmithson said:

    https://twitter.com/ComResPolls/status/575652748005408768

    You used to attack pollsters who used leading questions.. what has happened to make you change your mind and be so supportive..

  • Hengists_GiftHengists_Gift Posts: 628
    HortenceWithering said:

    Meanwhile 59,700,000 people have not signed the petition. It tells us everything we need to know that the reinstatement of a boorish oaf is the latest cause celebre of the right. These are the same people who were so up in arms and ranted here morning, noon and night about the Labour MP who got drunk and hit somebody in the Commons bar. Bang on cue the Hyperbolist-in-Chief arrives to whip them in to an even bigger frenzy.

    Have over 4 million people (according to Google population figures that is) already signed the Clarkson petition or is this just another example of the left's problem with quoting accurate figures?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,626
    A highlight of my potential Top Gear For Trains would have a Star in a Reasonably Priced Train circumnavigate London's Circle Line* in as fast a time as possible :)

    *In its original "circle" form of course. Um, and after finish of late night passenger services so as to avoid hitting civilians!
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,368
    Dugarbandier,

    Dylan was older than his years - it certainly looks like it now.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    dugarbandier said:

    JonnyJimmy said:

    dugarbandier said:

    JonnyJimmy said:

    Fpt @MarkSenior , given that you're "pretty sure", who specifically is it that you believe would support Clarkson if he had been "been doing Saville type crimes"?

    Time to name names. Or stop talking such cr@p.

    nobody knows what it is that he's done, do they? and yet they are supporting regardless
    Do you think there's a chance he was suspended by the Beeb for Saville type crimes? And if he were, that there are plenty of people who would still support him?

    I think Clarkson is a tit. I think it unlikely he is a monster. We don't know what the alleged argument was about. Thousands of people signing this petition... mystifying
    The Radio Times says he aimed a punch at a producer for screwing up his dinner order, or something similar.

    Mark Senior is quite sure that many would support him if the producer were a handicapped child and Clarkson had raped him.

    Mark Senior is quite clearly talking out of his behind.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062
    Casino_Royale said:


    I suspect a fudge will be found after a period on the naughty step, both for political (Clarkson is the stock answer to accusations of BBC corporate leftist bias) and commercial reasons.

    Not if he smacked an assistant producer-basically a PA- for being late with his meal. If that's the case they''ll ditch him like a rat with Ebola
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,738
    Don Poli :D
  • Animal_pbAnimal_pb Posts: 608
    rcs1000 said:

    The SeanT - Liberal Democrat spread bet: which which last longer?

    £1,000/year - capped at £10,000 perhaps. The LibDems are declared to be dead when they either: fall to below 5% in two successive general elections, or lose all their MPs, or merge into another party.

    SeanT is declared to be dead when... well, it's obvious really.

    No-one is allowed to nobble the bet by persuading SeanT to get back into his old habits.

    Who'd take which side?

    That's actually quite an interesting proposition...on current mortality rates, a man in his early fifties should reasonably expect another 30 or so years; will the LibDems make it that long? I think I might back our resident right wing hyberbolist.
  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    The euro has fallen to its lowest level against the US dollar in 12 years after the European Central Bank (ECB) began its government bond buying programme.

    It fell as low as $1.0560, before recovering a little. But many traders expect it may soon be worth the same as a dollar.

    The ECB began its latest round of quantitative easing (QE) on Monday.

    It will buy bonds worth €1.14tn over the next 18 months, flooding the market with euros......

    "We now see euro-dollar moving down to $1.00 by year-end, $0.90 by 2016 and down to a trough of $0.85 by 2017," said Deutsche Bank in a report published on Tuesday.

    While further devaluation of the euro should give businesses in the eurozone a boost, the pace of change may pose challenges for companies that need to plan ahead.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-31833200
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    CD13 said:

    Dugarbandier,

    Dylan was older than his years - it certainly looks like it now.

    His rant the other week seemed quite entertaining. It's to be hoped he was just having a laugh, and not actually losing his marbles
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    MikeSmithson said:

    https://twitter.com/ComResPolls/status/575652748005408768

    I'm sure a plurality would back dropping Nigel Farage in a bucket of custard. That doesn't mean it's appropriate and impartial behaviour during an election campaign.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,772
    Well maybe first time ever have started a Cheltenham day with 2 winners.

    Gets harder from here.

    I am small stakes today, saving money for tomorrows Stan James treat for Mrs BJ and me.

    Anyone got any tips for tomorrows card.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,368
    Animal_pb,

    "I think I might back our resident right wing hyberbolist."

    I have a residual sympathy for some LD policies so I hope they'll change and move on in the future. Nothing against Sean T, of course.

    It's the "My Europe, right or wrong" that grates. Even if the EU army invaded Kent, Cleggy would be leading the vanguard.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,145
    SeanT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The SeanT - Liberal Democrat spread bet: which which last longer?

    £1,000/year - capped at £10,000 perhaps. The LibDems are declared to be dead when they either: fall to below 5% in two successive general elections, or lose all their MPs, or merge into another party.

    SeanT is declared to be dead when... well, it's obvious really.

    No-one is allowed to nobble the bet by persuading SeanT to get back into his old habits.

    Who'd take which side?

    For reasons I'm sure you understand, I will decline the wager. Incidentally, what was the correct ranking of those countries by job production you mentioned t'other day?

    I was intrigued, but too busy to address it properly.
    Ireland +20%
    Spain +13%
    Germany +10.5%
    UK +10%
    France +9.5%
    Italy +9%

    Greece, btw, is down 20% IIRC.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,738
    bigjohnowls said:

    Well maybe first time ever have started a Cheltenham day with 2 winners.

    Gets harder from here.

    I am small stakes today, saving money for tomorrows Stan James treat for Mrs BJ and me.

    Anyone got any tips for tomorrows card.

    Stan James "treat" ?
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