With all the focus on Bradford West, I hadn't understood quite what a mess the politics of Bradford East are. On paper it's a 3-way LibDem/Labour/Con marginal. In the real world it seems to be near incomprehensible, with a LibDem incumbent who has, how shall I put, certain 'issues' with one of the world's great religions, a Labour candidate who's a retread from the Bradford West disaster of 2012 but (according to the Guardian) is "a member of one of Bradford’s most powerful Kashmiri families", a Conservative candidate who looks to be well-connected, a UKIP candidate who doesn't quite fit the stereotype, but as yet no Respect candidate although that might change.
Any value here?
I've backed Labour here, but far too short !
I'm wondering whether, given the fact that it looks a complete dog's breakfast, the 33/1 on either or both of Con/Respect might be worth a speculative flutter? Of course if Respect don't actually stand, that would mitigate against the bet being value...
With all the focus on Bradford West, I hadn't understood quite what a mess the politics of Bradford East are. On paper it's a 3-way LibDem/Labour/Con marginal. In the real world it seems to be near incomprehensible, with a LibDem incumbent who has, how shall I put, certain 'issues' with one of the world's great religions, a Labour candidate who's a retread from the Bradford West disaster of 2012 but (according to the Guardian) is "a member of one of Bradford’s most powerful Kashmiri families", a Conservative candidate who looks to be well-connected, a UKIP candidate who doesn't quite fit the stereotype, but as yet no Respect candidate although that might change.
Given the howls of anguish from our Labour/LibDem/Kipper friends, it's becoming very hard to avoid the conclusion that Cameron must have played a blinder in this debates game.
Only if voters don't draw the conclusion that he thinks his record will not stand up to 90 mins scrutiny.
Given the howls of anguish from our Labour/LibDem/Kipper friends, it's becoming very hard to avoid the conclusion that Cameron must have played a blinder in this debates game.
The response has been wild!
Not see anything like it since the inheritance tax gambit in 2007!
With all the focus on Bradford West, I hadn't understood quite what a mess the politics of Bradford East are. On paper it's a 3-way LibDem/Labour/Con marginal. In the real world it seems to be near incomprehensible, with a LibDem incumbent who has, how shall I put, certain 'issues' with one of the world's great religions, a Labour candidate who's a retread from the Bradford West disaster of 2012 but (according to the Guardian) is "a member of one of Bradford’s most powerful Kashmiri families", a Conservative candidate who looks to be well-connected, a UKIP candidate who doesn't quite fit the stereotype, but as yet no Respect candidate although that might change.
BBC News at Ten devotes 5 minutes to the "problem" of sexist chanting at football matches. e.g. "get yer tits out for the lads".
Yes, this is probably coarse and offensive, but is this one of the main examples of misogyny afflicting the UK today? Can no one think of anything slightly more serious?
This country is diseased. The BBC is particularly syphilitic.
T
Do you think that a female physio out on the pitch patching up a player should have to put up with being harangued to get her tits out for the lads without it being raised in the media?
I hear the odd chant about the Refs Onanism, and a fair amount of bad language but cannot recall any sexist, racist or homophobic chanting at LCFC from either set of fans.
I did rather like the chants at Raheem Stirling when he was laying on the grass of "He's so tired, so f***ing tired...." etc. Very droll!
I've
Is that ok?
So Radio 4 is leading the news on a chorus of chants by a few people at a lower league game?
That's pathetic.
Is it ok that fans chant that way?
No it isn't right but should the PC BBC be going big on this ?
Why are you so obsessive? Who cares if a QUARTER OF A MILLION poor white British girls were raped and abused by mainly-Pakistani gangs of predatory and racist pedophiles?
Don't you understand that 14 working class British men may have said "get yer tits out" in 2008?
PRIORITIES. BBC LIBERAL PRIORITIES.
How exactly would you deal with the sexual exploitation of young white girls by Muslims if you were in charge?
Older men sexually or commercially exploiting young women of a different race and culture?
Well. It is fine and dandy if...
OK, let's spell this out.
Rich older man pays young adult woman - very generously - for consensual but commercial sex.
.
Consensual? How do you know she hasn't been trafficked?
Various apologists up thread must be a bit deaf and or blind. Certainly the abuse picked up by the mics on the BBC were blatant and disgusting. On the subject of the cheerleaders - do they get abuse at American Football games? It would be interesting to know. Do Rugby League fans or Rugby Union fans abuse female physios? In my experience - not, but I'm a bit out of date. There seems to be one word missing when it comes to these incidents - 'respect'. The abusers clearly have none, nor any self control. In terms of all kinds of abuse the absence of respect and of self control seems quite important to me.
I'm also out of date - you leave the country and then your team goes and gets promoted to the top division. It was all stockport county and wrexham in my day!
it's an interesting question. self-control is certainly lesser inside a football crowd. maybe that's why young lads like to go, to a certain degree. Even speaking personally, I've found myself using words in front of my father at a stoke match that I would never dream of using in front of him in any other context.
As I remember the stoke city slickers weren't abused. just met with puzzlement or indifference. Like the appearance of a burger van at the ballet
Part of the enjoyment of being part of a football crowd is being able to step outside of the polite conventions of daily life. This is particularly true of those who have to tow the line in their daily occupation.
I do not shout abuse, but I understand the cathartic release of energy of those that do. Sanitise football crowds and we might as well all watch rugby.
Various apologists up thread must be a bit deaf and or blind. Certainly the abuse picked up by the mics on the BBC were blatant and disgusting. On the subject of the cheerleaders - do they get abuse at American Football games? It would be interesting to know. Do Rugby League fans or Rugby Union fans abuse female physios? In my experience - not, but I'm a bit out of date. There seems to be one word missing when it comes to these incidents - 'respect'. The abusers clearly have none, nor any self control. In terms of all kinds of abuse the absence of respect and of self control seems quite important to me.
League has had female physios for at least 20 years, no "whoops" no discrimination. Football fans do it because the culture in football accepts it. I'm a Rangers fan, most of our fans are fucking scum you wouldn't let near your children or handicapped family members and I don't think that is a Rangers thing.
One day it might improve, might be a long way out.
Who will this 'scum' be voting for?
The RL comment is mine to avoid confusion. I think female physios have been around for quite a few years in football as well. I have to say that my memory of the rather sad banter re female physios in RL was one of jealousy if the other sides was better looking than yours. I'm not sure if that shows respect or not.
So the LDs are still favourites to hold Ceredigon.
Do you understand betting odds ?
Nah, I'm clueless.
The point is that PC have a solid chance in Ceredigion, a chance in Ynys Mon, and a puncher's chance in Llanelli. Putting them all together means a gain is probable (even allowing that they are related contingencies).
However against that they may struggle to hold on to Arfon.
Still, with evens available either side of 3.5 one or other almost has to be value and you are probably right in choosing the Unders.
BBC News at Ten devotes 5 minutes to the "problem" of sexist chanting at football matches. e.g. "get yer tits out for the lads".
Yes, this is probably coarse and offensive, but is this one of the main examples of misogyny afflicting the UK today? Can no one think of anything slightly more serious?
This country is diseased. The BBC is particularly syphilitic.
T
Do you think that a female physio out on the pitch patching up a player should have to put up with being harangued to get her tits out for the lads without it being raised in the media?
I hear the odd chant about the Refs Onanism, and a fair amount of bad language but cannot recall any sexist, racist or homophobic chanting at LCFC from either set of fans.
I did rather like the chants at Raheem Stirling when he was laying on the grass of "He's so tired, so f***ing tired...." etc. Very droll!
I've
Is that ok?
So Radio 4 is leading the news on a chorus of chants by a few people at a lower league game?
That's pathetic.
Is it ok that fans chant that way?
No it isn't right but should the PC BBC be going big on this ?
Why are you so obsessive? Who cares if a QUARTER OF A MILLION poor white British girls were raped and abused by mainly-Pakistani gangs of predatory and racist pedophiles?
Don't you understand that 14 working class British men may have said "get yer tits out" in 2008?
PRIORITIES. BBC LIBERAL PRIORITIES.
How exactly would you deal with the sexual exploitation of young white girls by Muslims if you were in charge?
Older men sexually or commercially exploiting young women of a different race and culture?
Well. It is fine and dandy if...
OK, let's spell this out.
Rich older man pays young adult woman - very generously - for consensual but commercial sex.
Minicab driver literally brands 13 year old girl with his name after grooming her and sharing her with 19 violent friends because he sees her as "easy white meat", then rapes her with a bottle.
You may decry both examples, and fair play, if that is your ethical code. But if you cannot discern a huge moral difference then I suggest that the problem is mainly in your smallish brain.
The pimp behaves badly, often criminally so. The John convinces himself that it is all consensual with a youngster who has freely chosen the life. Twas ever so.
Given the howls of anguish from our Labour/LibDem/Kipper friends, it's becoming very hard to avoid the conclusion that Cameron must have played a blinder in this debates game.
Only if voters don't draw the conclusion that he thinks his record will not stand up to 90 mins scrutiny.
Quite. There are also those like me, who would prefer Cameron be PM than Ed M, who think he played a blinder (I was genuinely surprised that he seemed to have gotten everything he wanted in a format which maximised what chances he had) and has now thrown it away (even if it does not follow that he will be definitely damaged by this), but let's pretend it's only people who dislike Cameron who have issues with his position on this, it's easier that way.
Various apologists up thread must be a bit deaf and or blind. Certainly the abuse picked up by the mics on the BBC were blatant and disgusting. On the subject of the cheerleaders - do they get abuse at American Football games? It would be interesting to know. Do Rugby League fans or Rugby Union fans abuse female physios? In my experience - not, but I'm a bit out of date. There seems to be one word missing when it comes to these incidents - 'respect'. The abusers clearly have none, nor any self control. In terms of all kinds of abuse the absence of respect and of self control seems quite important to me.
I'm also out of date - you leave the country and then your team goes and gets promoted to the top division. It was all stockport county and wrexham in my day!
it's an interesting question. self-control is certainly lesser inside a football crowd. maybe that's why young lads like to go, to a certain degree. Even speaking personally, I've found myself using words in front of my father at a stoke match that I would never dream of using in front of him in any other context.
As I remember the stoke city slickers weren't abused. just met with puzzlement or indifference. Like the appearance of a burger van at the ballet
Perverse peer pressure? Its easy to be 'brave' in a crowd, in the expectation you can get away with it. The tone of what I heard at (admittedly brief) times on the news was I think quite nasty.
Very solid resistance to a Tory drift on betfair. I laid 1.61 when the poll came out and the 1.62 was heavily laid too, but more money wanting to back at 1.62 has appeared.
Various apologists up thread must be a bit deaf and or blind. Certainly the abuse picked up by the mics on the BBC were blatant and disgusting. On the subject of the cheerleaders - do they get abuse at American Football games? It would be interesting to know. Do Rugby League fans or Rugby Union fans abuse female physios? In my experience - not, but I'm a bit out of date. There seems to be one word missing when it comes to these incidents - 'respect'. The abusers clearly have none, nor any self control. In terms of all kinds of abuse the absence of respect and of self control seems quite important to me.
League has had female physios for at least 20 years, no "whoops" no discrimination. Football fans do it because the culture in football accepts it. I'm a Rangers fan, most of our fans are fucking scum you wouldn't let near your children or handicapped family members and I don't think that is a Rangers thing.
One day it might improve, might be a long way out.
Who will this 'scum' be voting for?
The RL comment is mine to avoid confusion. I think female physios have been around for quite a few years in football as well. I have to say that my memory of the rather sad banter re female physios in RL was one of jealousy if the other sides was better looking than yours. I'm not sure if that shows respect or not.
Rl had female physios in the early nineties. Its not a new thing in the game and was never a big "issue" in the game. RL is the best sport never to make it as mainstream.
This Week has Cage on - Neil has been waiting for this.
Portillos moment of the week: the Morecambe Bay hospital scandal from 2006 -10. No reaction from the Minister of Health of the time who was sitting on the same sofa.
So the LDs are still favourites to hold Ceredigon.
Do you understand betting odds ?
Nah, I'm clueless.
The point is that PC have a solid chance in Ceredigion, a chance in Ynys Mon, and a puncher's chance in Llanelli. Putting them all together means a gain is probable (even allowing that they are related contingencies).
However against that they may struggle to hold on to Arfon.
Still, with evens available either side of 3.5 one or other almost has to be value and you are probably right in choosing the Unders.
You should have told him your day job.
I think Another_richard's comment should go into PB legend, like Roger's "no"
This country is diseased. The BBC is particularly syphilitic.
T
Do you think that a female physio out on the pitch patching up a player should have to put up with being harangued to get her tits out for the lads without it being raised in the media?
I did rather like the chants at Raheem Stirling when he was laying on the grass of "He's so tired, so f***ing tired...." etc. Very droll!
I've
Is that ok?
So Radio 4 is leading the news on a chorus of chants by a few people at a lower league game?
That's pathetic.
Is it ok that fans chant that way?
No it isn't right but should the PC BBC be going big on this ?
Why are you so obsessive? Who cares if a QUARTER OF A MILLION poor white British girls were raped and abused by mainly-Pakistani gangs of predatory and racist pedophiles?
Don't you understand that 14 working class British men may have said "get yer tits out" in 2008?
PRIORITIES. BBC LIBERAL PRIORITIES.
How exactly would you deal with the sexual exploitation of young white girls by Muslims if you were in charge?
Older men sexually or commercially exploiting young women of a different race and culture?
Well. It is fine and dandy if...
You may decry both examples, and fair play, if that is your ethical code. But if you cannot discern a huge moral difference then I suggest that the problem is mainly in your smallish brain.
The pimp behaves badly, often criminally so. The John convinces himself that it is all consensual with a youngster who has freely chosen the life. Twas ever so.
See my comment downthread, With dating websites - many of which, today, promise beautiful foreign brides for desperate western men - you have no idea who is being coerced or pressured or pimped or gulled: man or woman?
So your moral divisions are otiose and absurd.
But the white girls of Rotherham and Oxford and elsewhere are 13 years old and they are clearly being RAPED. You seek to blur this and divert attention. I begin to wonder why.
I have always and consistently deplored sexual abuse on this website. I have also consistently pointed out the Islamic connection.
"Given the howls of anguish from our Labour/LibDem/Kipper friends, it's becoming very hard to avoid the conclusion that Cameron must have played a blinder in this debates game."
Not since the 50p tax reduction have the Tories played such a blinder.
So the LDs are still favourites to hold Ceredigon.
Do you understand betting odds ?
Nah, I'm clueless.
The point is that PC have a solid chance in Ceredigion, a chance in Ynys Mon, and a puncher's chance in Llanelli. Putting them all together means a gain is probable (even allowing that they are related contingencies).
However against that they may struggle to hold on to Arfon.
Still, with evens available either side of 3.5 one or other almost has to be value and you are probably right in choosing the Unders.
If you think PC have a solid chance in Ceredigion you have to explain how there was actually a swing there in the 2011 Welsh Assembly elections from PC to the Lib Dems .
Out of curiosity Nick but if you win in May will you be the oldest new MP ?
And if so does that get you any sort of unofficial title corresponding to 'Father of the House' or 'Baby of the House' ?
Don't know, but someone (Mark Senior?) said I'd be the oldest "new" entrant since the war. Don't think there is a title for it, but there may be several born-again maidens. Broxtowe is a bit unusual in the age of its contestants - AS is I think 58, I'm 65, and the expected LD is older than me. However, I still canvass younger helpers into the ground. I especially enjoyed going out with someone who'd recently completed an "Iron Man" triathlon. After we'd done just half an hour in a light freezing drizzle after dark, he GAVE UP.
ICM would be showing similarly unusual movements if it were a daily tracking pollster like YouGov is. An occasional oddly large Labour/Tory lead is to be expected in a daily tracker (assuming that the overall picture is a virtual tie), given that the margin of error 3-4% (per party %). With daily trackers one should pay attention to the trend (i.e. take the average of 5-7 or so individual VI polls) rather than put too much stock into a single poll.
That's right. But some here were getting carried away after a couple of Tory leads. My theory FWIW remains what it's been for months - Labour has a small lead and neither party is moving much 'cos these are core votes.
Out of curiosity Nick but if you win in May will you be the oldest new MP ?
And if so does that get you any sort of unofficial title corresponding to 'Father of the House' or 'Baby of the House' ?
No, but the oldest re-tread since the War.
ergo "Re-tread of the House"/Re-tread of the Century...
So the LDs are still favourites to hold Ceredigon.
Do you understand betting odds ?
Nah, I'm clueless.
The point is that PC have a solid chance in Ceredigion, a chance in Ynys Mon, and a puncher's chance in Llanelli. Putting them all together means a gain is probable (even allowing that they are related contingencies).
However against that they may struggle to hold on to Arfon.
Still, with evens available either side of 3.5 one or other almost has to be value and you are probably right in choosing the Unders.
If you think PC have a solid chance in Ceredigion you have to explain how there was actually a swing there in the 2011 Welsh Assembly elections from PC to the Lib Dems .
I think they have a chance because the odds say they do. If you disagree you know what to do.
ICM would be showing similarly unusual movements if it were a daily tracking pollster like YouGov is. An occasional oddly large Labour/Tory lead is to be expected in a daily tracker (assuming that the overall picture is a virtual tie), given that the margin of error 3-4% (per party %). With daily trackers one should pay attention to the trend (i.e. take the average of 5-7 or so individual VI polls) rather than put too much stock into a single poll.
That's right. But some here were getting carried away after a couple of Tory leads. My theory FWIW remains what it's been for months - Labour has a small lead and neither party is moving much 'cos these are core votes.
Out of curiosity Nick but if you win in May will you be the oldest new MP ?
And if so does that get you any sort of unofficial title corresponding to 'Father of the House' or 'Baby of the House' ?
With all the focus on Bradford West, I hadn't understood quite what a mess the politics of Bradford East are. On paper it's a 3-way LibDem/Labour/Con marginal. In the real world it seems to be near incomprehensible, with a LibDem incumbent who has, how shall I put, certain 'issues' with one of the world's great religions, a Labour candidate who's a retread from the Bradford West disaster of 2012 but (according to the Guardian) is "a member of one of Bradford’s most powerful Kashmiri families", a Conservative candidate who looks to be well-connected, a UKIP candidate who doesn't quite fit the stereotype, but as yet no Respect candidate although that might change.
Any value here?
In terms of betting or in terms of humanity ?
Betting of course!
The only thing which you can be sure of in Bradford elections is that the Conservatives will never win Bradford South.
Even the local Big Wensyledale David Herdson got East and West wrong in 2010.
David Ward's votes this year are going to be some of the most unsavoury ever, coming from Jew hating Muslims and Pakistani hating white voters.
As to how everyone else votes its well beyond my knowledge level but the Con and UKIP longshots are certainly better value as Bradford South could easily be won on under 30% of the vote.
Out of curiosity Nick but if you win in May will you be the oldest new MP ?
And if so does that get you any sort of unofficial title corresponding to 'Father of the House' or 'Baby of the House' ?
Don't know, but someone (Mark Senior?) said I'd be the oldest "new" entrant since the war. Don't think there is a title for it, but there may be several born-again maidens. Broxtowe is a bit unusual in the age of its contestants - AS is I think 58, I'm 65, and the expected LD is older than me. However, I still canvass younger helpers into the ground. I especially enjoyed going out with someone who'd recently completed an "Iron Man" triathlon. After we'd done just half an hour in a light freezing drizzle after dark, he GAVE UP.
Pah.
Perhaps he was just too polite to say he was bored.
BBC News at Ten devotes 5 minutes to the "problem" of sexist chanting at football matches. e.g. "get yer tits out for the lads".
Yes, this is probably coarse and offensive, but is this one of the main examples of misogyny afflicting the UK today? Can no one think of anything slightly more serious?
This country is diseased. The BBC is particularly syphilitic.
T
Do you think that a female physio out on the pitch patching up a player should have to put up with being harangued to get her tits out for the lads without it being raised in the media?
I hear the odd chant about the Refs Onanism, and a fair amount of bad language but cannot recall any sexist, racist or homophobic chanting at LCFC from either set of fans.
I did rather like the chants at Raheem Stirling when he was laying on the grass of "He's so tired, so f***ing tired...." etc. Very droll!
I've
Is that ok?
So Radio 4 is leading the news on a chorus of chants by a few people at a lower league game?
That's pathetic.
Is it ok that fans chant that way?
No it isn't right but should the PC BBC be going big on this ?
Why are you so obsessive? Who cares if a QUARTER OF A MILLION poor white British girls were raped and abused by mainly-Pakistani gangs of predatory and racist pedophiles?
Don't you understand that 14 working class British men may have said "get yer tits out" in 2008?
PRIORITIES. BBC LIBERAL PRIORITIES.
How exactly would you deal with the sexual exploitation of young white girls by Muslims if you were in charge?
Older men sexually or commercially exploiting young women of a different race and culture?
Well. It is fine and dandy if...
OK, let's spell this out.
Rich older man pays young adult woman - very generously - for consensual but commercial sex.
.
Consensual? How do you know she hasn't been trafficked?
If you meet a foreign girl on a dating website, looking for a "nice European man", how do you know she isn't a trafficked woman, being secretly pimped?
Answer: you don't.
So it's OK to pay trafficked women (actually, their pimps) for sex?
So the LDs are still favourites to hold Ceredigon.
Do you understand betting odds ?
Nah, I'm clueless.
The point is that PC have a solid chance in Ceredigion, a chance in Ynys Mon, and a puncher's chance in Llanelli. Putting them all together means a gain is probable (even allowing that they are related contingencies).
However against that they may struggle to hold on to Arfon.
Still, with evens available either side of 3.5 one or other almost has to be value and you are probably right in choosing the Unders.
You should have told him your day job.
I think Another_richard's comment should go into PB legend, like Roger's "no"
A rather important difference being that Roger was shown to be wrong while what I wrote is right.
Various apologists up thread must be a bit deaf and or blind. Certainly the abuse picked up by the mics on the BBC were blatant and disgusting. On the subject of the cheerleaders - do they get abuse at American Football games? It would be interesting to know. Do Rugby League fans or Rugby Union fans abuse female physios? In my experience - not, but I'm a bit out of date. There seems to be one word missing when it comes to these incidents - 'respect'. The abusers clearly have none, nor any self control. In terms of all kinds of abuse the absence of respect and of self control seems quite important to me.
I'm also out of date - you leave the country and then your team goes and gets promoted to the top division. It was all stockport county and wrexham in my day!
it's an interesting question. self-control is certainly lesser inside a football crowd. maybe that's why young lads like to go, to a certain degree. Even speaking personally, I've found myself using words in front of my father at a stoke match that I would never dream of using in front of him in any other context.
As I remember the stoke city slickers weren't abused. just met with puzzlement or indifference. Like the appearance of a burger van at the ballet
Part of the enjoyment of being part of a football crowd is being able to step outside of the polite conventions of daily life. This is particularly true of those who have to tow the line in their daily occupation.
I do not shout abuse, but I understand the cathartic release of energy of those that do. Sanitise football crowds and we might as well all watch rugby.
I submit my favourite football chant to be "We are Millwall,We are Millwall,No-one likes us,We don't care" a wonderful statement of working class defiance.Camus should have played in goal for them.Durkheim on the left wing.
The Lib Dem candidate in the Selhurst by-election got 65 votes, which is the fewest votes for any Lib Dem (or Liberal, or SDP) candidate in any election in Croydon, er, ever. I think.
The same candidate got 322 votes for the SDP in another by-election in the same ward in 1987.
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If miliband was against the debates,campbell would still be saying what he said 14 years ago.
Only if voters don't draw the conclusion that he thinks his record will not stand up to 90 mins scrutiny.
Not see anything like it since the inheritance tax gambit in 2007!
I was just reading at The Spectator about how he's planning to do a squeal to Blade Runner next year.
I do not shout abuse, but I understand the cathartic release of energy of those that do. Sanitise football crowds and we might as well all watch rugby.
http://news.sky.com/story/1439619/harrison-ford-injured-in-plane-crash-reports
The RL comment is mine to avoid confusion. I think female physios have been around for quite a few years in football as well. I have to say that my memory of the rather sad banter re female physios in RL was one of jealousy if the other sides was better looking than yours. I'm not sure if that shows respect or not.
The point is that PC have a solid chance in Ceredigion, a chance in Ynys Mon, and a puncher's chance in Llanelli. Putting them all together means a gain is probable (even allowing that they are related contingencies).
However against that they may struggle to hold on to Arfon.
Still, with evens available either side of 3.5 one or other almost has to be value and you are probably right in choosing the Unders.
Lab 1481 Con 243 Green 213 LD 96
Nest week it will be Ed has to stand on one leg and have a full size picture of Toby Perkins next to him in order for Dave to take part.
FRIT!
Hamza 8/10
Davidson 8/10
Alexander 6/10
Dugdale 3/10
Night all.
Con 1071 Lab 974 UKIP 855 Green 165 Ind 58
I think Another_richard's comment should go into PB legend, like Roger's "no"
Lab 1517 Con 246 Green 148 UKIP 147 LD 65
"Given the howls of anguish from our Labour/LibDem/Kipper friends, it's becoming very hard to avoid the conclusion that Cameron must have played a blinder in this debates game."
Not since the 50p tax reduction have the Tories played such a blinder.
Pah.
ergo "Re-tread of the House"/Re-tread of the Century...
Even the local Big Wensyledale David Herdson got East and West wrong in 2010.
David Ward's votes this year are going to be some of the most unsavoury ever, coming from Jew hating Muslims and Pakistani hating white voters.
As to how everyone else votes its well beyond my knowledge level but the Con and UKIP longshots are certainly better value as Bradford South could easily be won on under 30% of the vote.
UKIP have announced their candidates for the general election for Bradford East and Bradford West
http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/11717760.Election_candidates_announced/?ref=twtrec
He's a former Lib Dem :-)
I think parliament definitely needs more people who have been in the armed forces.
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http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/11703636.Villagers__shocked__by_allegations_of_woman_offering_sex_sessions_at_Bed___Breakfast/?ref=ar
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"However this is the sort of publicity which Cullingworth could do without,"
Bradford Council was unable to produce a comment on whether operating such a business from a residential property breached planning regulations.
Classic local news.
Good night.
The same candidate got 322 votes for the SDP in another by-election in the same ward in 1987.
CON - 34.3% (+2.1)
LAB - 31.2% (+1.3)
UKIP - 27.4% (-5.3)
GRN - 5.3% (+2.2)
IND - 1.9% (+1.9)
Tory gain from UKIP in Braintree area.