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Brent (for the most part) has been a Conservative / Labour battleground. In fact the only time that the Liberal Democrats came to prominence in the area was in the 2006 local elections when they managed to win 27 seats (forcing the council into a state of No Overall Control) and becoming the largest party on the council and even that was on an unfair vote share.

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  • First ..... again!
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    Thank you Harry.
    Now then, from the previous thread, why did the word "oubliette" spring into my mind?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Talking up my book alert. I am putting every last scrap of betting cash into SNP based punts. I'm contemplating dumping a bit more on Labour 0-20 seats which I think is close to nailed on and is effectively backable at 1.2 at WillHill.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    fpt

    JEO - in what sense is London the engine of the entire UK economy? I can't believe it represents more than 20-25% of GDP. Many major businesses may be headquartered there but they are reliant on engines all over the UK to turn a profit. It obviously has a dominant role in terms of finance but treating that sector as though it's the engine of our economy is arguably what's helped to cause so many of our problems.

    No doubt a fair few snobs would take the view that it's people sitting in boardrooms moving pieces on a chessboard that are creating all the wealth in the UK. Personally I tend more to the view that's it's the mass of the population distributed right across this island getting up early every morning that's the engine of the economy. Sadly globalisation as it's currently proceeding is leading to a total disrespect for ordinary workers who are easily tradable for 'more efficient' units.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak
    ·
    Labour wants to 'teach the Muslim community a lesson for voting for Galloway' - ouch! the shambles of Lab's Bradford selection on #newsnight

    Who saying this,kuenssberg or a labour person ?

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Laura Kuenssberg ✔ @bbclaurak

    Lab rubbishes claim, but no doubt whole thing has been a mess-party insiders warn Bradford W chaos threatens votes across city #newsnight

    Christ,if this gets out,labour in serious trouble in Bradford west.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672
    I walked past EdM's place this morning The house next door is for sale. Could be interesting in the lead up to the GE. The price may make a headline or two..
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411

    Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak
    ·
    Labour wants to 'teach the Muslim community a lesson for voting for Galloway' - ouch! the shambles of Lab's Bradford selection on #newsnight

    Who saying this,kuenssberg or a labour person ?

    Vote George :D
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Thanks again, Harry.

    The Bocking seat looks a corker. Three way fight.

    It will also be interesting to see the scale of Con-Lab movement in Brent.
  • scotslassscotslass Posts: 912
    What a fine comensense reaction from big Eck on Sky about Cameron and the debates. He is not "scared " as the naive Milliband claims but "sleekit" in trying to get out from under and using the incompetence of Labour and Libs to justify it. He is also surely right that the broadcasters should empty chair Cameron to bring him into line.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Pulpstar said:

    Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak
    ·
    Labour wants to 'teach the Muslim community a lesson for voting for Galloway' - ouch! the shambles of Lab's Bradford selection on #newsnight

    Who saying this,kuenssberg or a labour person ?

    Vote George :D
    Pulpstar said:

    Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak
    ·
    Labour wants to 'teach the Muslim community a lesson for voting for Galloway' - ouch! the shambles of Lab's Bradford selection on #newsnight

    Who saying this,kuenssberg or a labour person ?

    Vote George :D
    Well I was going to vote UKIP,but not standing in Bradford west ;-)
  • isam said:

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    Have to disagree.. I see no need for a target, what would it achieve except to be used as a measure of failure?

    As it is, even The Independent are writing columns praising UKIP stance on this


    A measure of success? Yours is a very defeatist view and suggests you don't believe it can be achieved.

    If targets are so wrong why have the party signed up to Osborne's (rather implausible) deficit reduction targets? Are you telling me that you think that is a mistake as well and instead UKIP should say "We're going to fix the deficit but we're not going to tell you when but we'll set up a commission to manage it?"

    That will improve people's confidence in the party's ability to run the economy won't it?

    What Farage was waffling about yesterday was non-sensical and contradictory.

    PS And if the Indy of all papers (which is owned by an immigrant) is praising them then that should be ringing alarm bells!
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    scotslass said:

    What a fine comensense reaction from big Eck on Sky about Cameron and the debates. He is not "scared " as the naive Milliband claims but "sleekit" in trying to get out from under and using the incompetence of Labour and Libs to justify it. He is also surely right that the broadcasters should empty chair Cameron to bring him into line.

    The broadcasters don't run the country,well not yet.

  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    edited March 2015
    Alistair said:

    Talking up my book alert. I am putting every last scrap of betting cash into SNP based punts. I'm contemplating dumping a bit more on Labour 0-20 seats which I think is close to nailed on and is effectively backable at 1.2 at WillHill.

    Good spot although I'd be relaxed about covering the three lowest bands which in combination provide for Labour winning up to 15 seats and together returns odds of 0.54/1 with Hills. I feel it would be surprising were the red team to exceed this tally. DYOR.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    fpt

    JEO - in what sense is London the engine of the entire UK economy? I can't believe it represents more than 20-25% of GDP. Many major businesses may be headquartered there but they are reliant on engines all over the UK to turn a profit. It obviously has a dominant role in terms of finance but treating that sector as though it's the engine of our economy is arguably what's helped to cause so many of our problems.

    No doubt a fair few snobs would take the view that it's people sitting in boardrooms moving pieces on a chessboard that are creating all the wealth in the UK. Personally I tend more to the view that's it's the mass of the population distributed right across this island getting up early every morning that's the engine of the economy. Sadly globalisation as it's currently proceeding is leading to a total disrespect for ordinary workers who are easily tradable for 'more efficient' units.

    The bottom line is that the UK doesn't really know how much of its economy is based in London. We can estimate it is MUCH lower than the 20% that is claimed because of the Head Office Effect.

    For example, most whisky VAT and Excise Duty is booked as "London Revenue" because Diageo is based in London. This probably sucks about £3bn out of the GERS figures for "Scottish Revenue" Tesco is head officed in London and so all its VAT and Corp Tax is recorded as "London Revenue" even though most of it is not booked in London.

    In reality London has the City, a casino bank which seems very good at avoiding tax. It is so good at avoiding tax that most of its money for Infrastructure comes out of the UK Infrastructure budget, so money allocated as "all UK spend" buys Crossrail, HS1 and HS2, the new London Sewer, the Olympics, etc, etc. I have no doubt the £3bn cost of restoring Parliament will be "UK Spending" even though all it does is push up the London economy and london property bubble while the rest of the country is neglected.

    But that is the UK. It is why the UK needs to be dissolved.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,687

    scotslass said:

    What a fine comensense reaction from big Eck on Sky about Cameron and the debates. He is not "scared " as the naive Milliband claims but "sleekit" in trying to get out from under and using the incompetence of Labour and Libs to justify it. He is also surely right that the broadcasters should empty chair Cameron to bring him into line.

    The broadcasters don't run the country,well not yet.

    Of course they don't run the country. They do however have the absolute right to organise these debates in any way they see fit as long as they abide by the Electoral Commission rules and give all the parties a fair opportunity based on the guidelines on major and minor parties.

    As such they should hold the debates and should invite the party leaders (or for specific portfolios the ministers, shadows and party spokesmen) and if someone chooses not to attend then that is the politicians problem not the broadcasters.

    What they should not allow is for Cameron, Miliband, Farage or anyone else to say 'I am not taking up your invitation and therefore you cannot have the event'.
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @Dair

    'Tesco is head officed in London and so all its VAT and Corp Tax is recorded as "London Revenue" even though most of it is not booked in London.'

    Tesco head office is in Cheshunt in Hertfordshire.
  • volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078
    Thanks once more to Harry.Labour gains in either Kenton or Bocking augurs well for the ground game.
    Off topic,an old friend of mine has sent me the 4 days trends analysis for Cheltenham.He is also willing to do all the research and post his selections for £28-refundable if there is a loss.This has been a very profitable venture in the past.My contact is an old stager brought up in the OLBG community-you must always give 3 reasons based on fact to warrant a wager.
    I'll post but as Pete says DYOT.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak
    ·
    Labour wants to 'teach the Muslim community a lesson for voting for Galloway' - ouch! the shambles of Lab's Bradford selection on #newsnight

    Who saying this,kuenssberg or a labour person ?

    Kuenssberg is a Scottish Blairite, happy to destroy the lefties.
  • scotslass said:

    What a fine comensense reaction from big Eck on Sky about Cameron and the debates. He is not "scared " as the naive Milliband claims but "sleekit" in trying to get out from under and using the incompetence of Labour and Libs to justify it. He is also surely right that the broadcasters should empty chair Cameron to bring him into line.

    The broadcasters don't run the country,well not yet.

    Of course they don't run the country. They do however have the absolute right to organise these debates in any way they see fit as long as they abide by the Electoral Commission rules and give all the parties a fair opportunity based on the guidelines on major and minor parties.

    As such they should hold the debates and should invite the party leaders (or for specific portfolios the ministers, shadows and party spokesmen) and if someone chooses not to attend then that is the politicians problem not the broadcasters.

    What they should not allow is for Cameron, Miliband, Farage or anyone else to say 'I am not taking up your invitation and therefore you cannot have the event'.
    Technical point. Its Ofcom's rules. The Electoral Commission have nothing to do with broadcast matters.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,687

    scotslass said:

    What a fine comensense reaction from big Eck on Sky about Cameron and the debates. He is not "scared " as the naive Milliband claims but "sleekit" in trying to get out from under and using the incompetence of Labour and Libs to justify it. He is also surely right that the broadcasters should empty chair Cameron to bring him into line.

    The broadcasters don't run the country,well not yet.

    Of course they don't run the country. They do however have the absolute right to organise these debates in any way they see fit as long as they abide by the Electoral Commission rules and give all the parties a fair opportunity based on the guidelines on major and minor parties.

    As such they should hold the debates and should invite the party leaders (or for specific portfolios the ministers, shadows and party spokesmen) and if someone chooses not to attend then that is the politicians problem not the broadcasters.

    What they should not allow is for Cameron, Miliband, Farage or anyone else to say 'I am not taking up your invitation and therefore you cannot have the event'.
    Technical point. Its Ofcom's rules. The Electoral Commission have nothing to do with broadcast matters.
    Apologies. But I think the point remains the same.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak
    ·
    Labour wants to 'teach the Muslim community a lesson for voting for Galloway' - ouch! the shambles of Lab's Bradford selection on #newsnight

    Who saying this,kuenssberg or a labour person ?

    There was a very interesting piece on this on Sunday Politics (Yorks and Lincs - which I pick up in my kitchen in Leics).

    All about clan block voting in Bradford, with fairly open warfare between Labour supporters.

    @HH: While I appreciate the GE will dominate the news, how many council seats are up for grabs at the same time? It would be interesting to see if LDs hold onto council seats.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,687
    john_zims said:

    @Dair

    'Tesco is head officed in London and so all its VAT and Corp Tax is recorded as "London Revenue" even though most of it is not booked in London.'

    Tesco head office is in Cheshunt in Hertfordshire.

    Don't confuse the poor boy with facts. You know how much he hates that.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    john_zims said:

    @Dair

    'Tesco is head officed in London and so all its VAT and Corp Tax is recorded as "London Revenue" even though most of it is not booked in London.'

    Tesco head office is in Cheshunt in Hertfordshire.

    I'm pretty sure Cheshunt is part of the London reporting region for the UK.

    Even then, our biggest engineering firm, Rolls Royce reports its entire (Derby based) business at its head office in the City of Westminster.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    john_zims said:

    @Dair

    'Tesco is head officed in London and so all its VAT and Corp Tax is recorded as "London Revenue" even though most of it is not booked in London.'

    Tesco head office is in Cheshunt in Hertfordshire.

    Don't confuse the poor boy with facts. You know how much he hates that.
    This is not a Scottish issue, this is a UK issue. Every UK wide company with a head office in London ends up reporting its revenue as "regionally" London Revenue in the UK accounts. That's an issue for Wales, for the Midlands, for the North for the South West, etc., etc..
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    scotslass said:

    What a fine comensense reaction from big Eck on Sky about Cameron and the debates. He is not "scared " as the naive Milliband claims but "sleekit" in trying to get out from under and using the incompetence of Labour and Libs to justify it. He is also surely right that the broadcasters should empty chair Cameron to bring him into line.

    The broadcasters don't run the country,well not yet.

    Of course they don't run the country. They do however have the absolute right to organise these debates in any way they see fit as long as they abide by the Electoral Commission rules and give all the parties a fair opportunity based on the guidelines on major and minor parties.

    As such they should hold the debates and should invite the party leaders (or for specific portfolios the ministers, shadows and party spokesmen) and if someone chooses not to attend then that is the politicians problem not the broadcasters.

    What they should not allow is for Cameron, Miliband, Farage or anyone else to say 'I am not taking up your invitation and therefore you cannot have the event'.
    And you can't have the broadcasters giving it large that they might empty chair one of the political leaders before discussions took place.

    I remember Blair/ A.campbell telling major,hague and howard to get lost on TV debates,I didn'thave a problem at the time with it,did you ? or any of the labour supporters on here calling Cameron a coward ?

    (By the way,I know your not a labour supporter mr Tyndall ;-) )

  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    scotslass said:

    What a fine comensense reaction from big Eck on Sky about Cameron and the debates. He is not "scared " as the naive Milliband claims but "sleekit" in trying to get out from under and using the incompetence of Labour and Libs to justify it. He is also surely right that the broadcasters should empty chair Cameron to bring him into line.

    Should the broadcasters refuse to empty chair Cameron for the first two debates would not only be an affront to democracy but demonstrate how much the broadcast media in the UK is in bed with the Tories.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548

    john_zims said:

    @Dair

    'Tesco is head officed in London and so all its VAT and Corp Tax is recorded as "London Revenue" even though most of it is not booked in London.'

    Tesco head office is in Cheshunt in Hertfordshire.

    Don't confuse the poor boy with facts. You know how much he hates that.
    Does London not mean England to a Scot?
  • Hengists_GiftHengists_Gift Posts: 628
    edited March 2015

    scotslass said:

    What a fine comensense reaction from big Eck on Sky about Cameron and the debates. He is not "scared " as the naive Milliband claims but "sleekit" in trying to get out from under and using the incompetence of Labour and Libs to justify it. He is also surely right that the broadcasters should empty chair Cameron to bring him into line.

    The broadcasters don't run the country,well not yet.

    Of course they don't run the country. They do however have the absolute right to organise these debates in any way they see fit as long as they abide by the Electoral Commission rules and give all the parties a fair opportunity based on the guidelines on major and minor parties.

    As such they should hold the debates and should invite the party leaders (or for specific portfolios the ministers, shadows and party spokesmen) and if someone chooses not to attend then that is the politicians problem not the broadcasters.

    What they should not allow is for Cameron, Miliband, Farage or anyone else to say 'I am not taking up your invitation and therefore you cannot have the event'.
    Technical point. Its Ofcom's rules. The Electoral Commission have nothing to do with broadcast matters.
    Apologies. But I think the point remains the same.
    It certainly does. That said I think that there is significant doubt as to whether the debate formats, particularly the revised formats of the debates, conform with Ofcom rules. I don't think they do and hence all the political posturing at the moment is just that; posturing.

    The problem is Ofcom has not specifically considered the implications of the debates and revised it rules to reflect them. That's why we have this ongoing farce regarding their format. Ofcom need to take a much more active role in the debates by stating clearly what the criteria are for inclusion in the debates (although I think it is relatively clear if you read Ofcom's rules).
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,687

    scotslass said:

    What a fine comensense reaction from big Eck on Sky about Cameron and the debates. He is not "scared " as the naive Milliband claims but "sleekit" in trying to get out from under and using the incompetence of Labour and Libs to justify it. He is also surely right that the broadcasters should empty chair Cameron to bring him into line.

    The broadcasters don't run the country,well not yet.

    Of course they don't run the country. They do however have the absolute right to organise these debates in any way they see fit as long as they abide by the Electoral Commission rules and give all the parties a fair opportunity based on the guidelines on major and minor parties.

    As such they should hold the debates and should invite the party leaders (or for specific portfolios the ministers, shadows and party spokesmen) and if someone chooses not to attend then that is the politicians problem not the broadcasters.

    What they should not allow is for Cameron, Miliband, Farage or anyone else to say 'I am not taking up your invitation and therefore you cannot have the event'.
    And you can't have the broadcasters giving it large that they might empty chair one of the political leaders before discussions took place.

    I remember Blair/ A.campbell telling major,hague and howard to get lost on TV debates,I didn'thave a problem at the time with it,did you ? or any of the labour supporters on here calling Cameron a coward ?

    (By the way,I know your not a labour supporter mr Tyndall ;-) )

    Why can you not? The broadcasters are simply making clear that they are not going to be pushed around by the party leaders for their own political benefit. And yes I did have a problem with Blair refusing to debate. It is part of the arrogance of authority that infects our political classes (and I don't exclude UKIP, SNP or anyone else from that) and anything that cuts the rug out from underneath them is fine as far as I am concerned.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,687
    Dair said:

    scotslass said:

    What a fine comensense reaction from big Eck on Sky about Cameron and the debates. He is not "scared " as the naive Milliband claims but "sleekit" in trying to get out from under and using the incompetence of Labour and Libs to justify it. He is also surely right that the broadcasters should empty chair Cameron to bring him into line.

    Should the broadcasters refuse to empty chair Cameron for the first two debates would not only be an affront to democracy but demonstrate how much the broadcast media in the UK is in bed with the Tories.
    I don't think they are in bed with the Tories. I think they are in bed with the establishment. As such they have tended in the past to do nothing that might rock the boat whether it is Labour or the Tories in power.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Interesting that it is the Washington Post and New York Times - both traditionally Dem friendly - that seem to be giving Hillary's latest two scandals the most legs. Here is another piece from the Post. This meme that the Dems need a serious slate of candidates for a proper primary instead of a coronation is gaining traction. Particularly interesting in this piece is that a Dem operative (admittedly an O'Malley fan) is quoted as saying that neither the emails nor the Foundation donations scandal is a tabloid scandal, but rather that both related to her work and to national security. Yikes, if your friends are saying that ...

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/amid-clinton-controversies-democrats-yearn-for-an-alternative/2015/03/04/f782ec4e-c279-11e4-9271-610273846239_story.html
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,123
    Is there a TNS due today?
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    The Mirror frontpage has a nice picture of the embodiment of bravery(according to PB)
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Jim Waterson ✔ @jimwaterson

    Labour's bollocksed up Bradford and could lose two seats due to weird Galloway/religious/central party clash, says @bbclaurak & @jessbrammar

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Is Labour making a mess of Bradford West?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31749227
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    I just accidentally saw a bit of eastenders and heard a woman banging on a tube station's closed entrance late at night, complaining loudly that Boris Johnson wouldn't let her in.

    Hasn't Boris just decreed that the tube should be 24 hr?

    I'd be amazed if I found out that any BBC show character had ever complained about Ken's tube policies..
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,123

    I just accidentally saw a bit of eastenders and heard a woman banging on a tube station's closed entrance late at night, complaining loudly that Boris Johnson wouldn't let her in.

    Hasn't Boris just decreed that the tube should be 24 hr?

    I'd be amazed if I found out that any BBC show character had ever complained about Ken's tube policies..

    Five Tube lines will be all-night from September
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937


    Jim Waterson ✔ @jimwaterson

    Labour's bollocksed up Bradford and could lose two seats due to weird Galloway/religious/central party clash, says @bbclaurak & @jessbrammar

    Be funny if the election is so close that it costs Labour power.

    That said, I presume the vote won't be split enough to allow the Tories through the middle in either Bradford East or West, so whoever gets elected will work with Labour. For a (high) price....
  • Is there a TNS due today?

    I was expecting it by now, but I think they maybe holding it over until tomorrow so as not to get lost in the Ashcroft polling.
  • If there was a political story on the front page of the Daily Mail, I would have done the morning thread on it and embedded the front page into the thread header

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_Xd0XmXAAEhMAy.jpg
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    How can Cameron stop the first two debates? All major parties (or none) are invited in each constituent country. There is no legal challenge, unless the broadcasters back off and allow the Tories to get their way, then Cameron will either be empty chaired in the first two debates or have to join in.

    The third debate is the wild card. It needed to be before the Short Campaign but as it isn't it is open to challenge. It has Labour and the Tories, therefore all Major parties competing against them need to be included - SNP, Dead Parrots, Racists, Plaid. They can get away with excluding the Greens but Ofcom might just Major party them as they havent closed their decision yet.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Michael Heaver @Michael_Heaver

    UKIP often dismissed as a threat in London, but the third most popular party there by a distance http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband-surges-in-london-election-battle-as-support-for-greens-slips-10087287.html

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    If there was a political story on the front page of the Daily Mail, I would have done the morning thread on it and embedded the front page into the thread header

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_Xd0XmXAAEhMAy.jpg

    You don't get many of those parking fines to a pound!
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    I quite like Cameron and Osborne and am normally very positive to them here, I don't think I've ever criticised either on this site ever before. But I'm very, very disappointed with Cameron over the debates. The 7-7-2 format was a great one for democracy in this country, relegating Lib-Dems and UKIP to the also-rans were they belong and finally a proper head-to-head between the two candidates to be PM.

    There's some remarks here about how they're "too American", I grew up in Australia and debates were always a massive moment. Howard vs Keating (1996) when I was 14 was a moment that got me well and truly hooked on politics.

    I don't even understand the logic of it. As the polls stand Labour will (undeservedly) get back into Downing Street, we as Conservatives should be taking every opportunity to turn that around. Cameron is far superior to Red Ed and should be able to defeat him in a head to head in the same way that he does IMO most weeks at PMQs and the same way as Cameron was far superior to Brown in the debates. Without the distraction of Clegg there, its a great opportunity both for our democracy and for Conservatives.

    Rejecting the 4-party debates and getting these alternative suggestions was a masterstroke, if it had been accepted. But to reject these proposals? I'm very disappointed.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736


    Jim Waterson ✔ @jimwaterson

    Labour's bollocksed up Bradford and could lose two seats due to weird Galloway/religious/central party clash, says @bbclaurak & @jessbrammar

    Be funny if the election is so close that it costs Labour power.

    That said, I presume the vote won't be split enough to allow the Tories through the middle in either Bradford East or West, so whoever gets elected will work with Labour. For a (high) price....
    I am all for Lab losing to more left wing parties.

    Circa 60 MPs to the left of LAB could only result in EICIPM frightening the shit out of the right.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548

    I just accidentally saw a bit of eastenders and heard a woman banging on a tube station's closed entrance late at night, complaining loudly that Boris Johnson wouldn't let her in.

    Hasn't Boris just decreed that the tube should be 24 hr?

    I'd be amazed if I found out that any BBC show character had ever complained about Ken's tube policies..

    Five Tube lines will be all-night from September
    So should the beeb's flagship show be attacking Boris/Tories over this matter that they're actually addressing?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    If there was a political story on the front page of the Daily Mail, I would have done the morning thread on it and embedded the front page into the thread header

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_Xd0XmXAAEhMAy.jpg

    Em bedded!!
  • I'm tired and lazy, can someone tell me which general election it was when all those Irish Nationalists were elected to the Commons and ultimately ended The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland?
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    I wonder if these attacks on Cameron over the leaders debates will show in future polls and leadership polls ?
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    edited March 2015
    SWINGBACKTASTIC - Labour 4% in front.LOL!

    Basil is in meltdown.
  • YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour ahead by four, their biggest lead since December: CON 31%, LAB 35%, LD 6%, UKIP 15%, GRN 8%
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,123

    I'm tired and lazy, can someone tell me which general election it was when all those Irish Nationalists were elected to the Commons and ultimately ended The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland?

    1918
  • I'm tired and lazy, can someone tell me which general election it was when all those Irish Nationalists were elected to the Commons and ultimately ended The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland?

    1918
    Cheers, wasn't there one earlier?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    I'm tired and lazy, can someone tell me which general election it was when all those Irish Nationalists were elected to the Commons and ultimately ended The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland?

    1918

  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Gold standard.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    I'm tired and lazy, can someone tell me which general election it was when all those Irish Nationalists were elected to the Commons and ultimately ended The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland?

    1918, about 60 gains.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,123
    TWO MONTHS TO SAVE CROSSOVER
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Tonights YG Cameron the Coward bounce

    EICIPM
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,123


    Sun PoliticsVerified account
    @SunPolitics YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour ahead by four, their biggest lead since December: CON 31%, LAB 35%, LD 6%, UKIP 15%, GRN 8%

  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    Tonights YG Cameron the Coward bounce

    EICIPM

    Is there a Chicken Run on the Tory percentage?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,580
    Croydon Council seems interesting

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour ahead by four, their biggest lead since December: CON 31%, LAB 35%, LD 6%, UKIP 15%, GRN 8%

    Hahahaha.The pollsters are playing with us it seems.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    I wonder if these attacks on Cameron over the leaders debates will show in future polls and leadership polls ?

    Like tonights YG?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386
    #crashedandburned
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,123
    SeanT said:

    FFS

    BBC News at Ten devotes 5 minutes to the "problem" of sexist chanting at football matches. e.g. "get yer tits out for the lads".

    Yes, this is probably coarse and offensive, but is this one of the main examples of misogyny afflicting the UK today? Can no one think of anything slightly more serious?

    This country is diseased. The BBC is particularly syphilitic.

    If you want real misogyny, try the Islamic world. Or India.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Ooof.
  • I'm tired and lazy, can someone tell me which general election it was when all those Irish Nationalists were elected to the Commons and ultimately ended The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland?

    1918

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_1918
  • I think there maybe a thread coming up comparing the SNP to Sinn Fein.

    What's the Edinburgh equivalent of the General Post Office?
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    SeanT said:

    FFS

    BBC News at Ten devotes 5 minutes to the "problem" of sexist chanting at football matches. e.g. "get yer tits out for the lads".

    Yes, this is probably coarse and offensive, but is this one of the main examples of misogyny afflicting the UK today? Can no one think of anything slightly more serious?

    This country is diseased. The BBC is particularly syphilitic.

    I listened to radio 5 earlier and thought exactly the same Mr T.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,123
    CWU union asked to back Green candidate for Stoke Central

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-31491221
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Jim Murphy refused an invite on Scotland Tonight. That says a lot.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,580


    Rejecting the 4-party debates and getting these alternative suggestions was a masterstroke, if it had been accepted. But to reject these proposals? I'm very disappointed.

    The only defences to it that I can see are principled 'don't want the debates at all' ones, which we know for a fact Cameron doesn't believe in as he participated in the debates last time, so in terms of his political judgment really I'm just confused how he thought he could get a better deal (or that none at all was better for him) than what he managed to get handed to him.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    You Gov is nonsense . two days ago the Tories were 3 pts ahead. Now Labour are 4 ahead. It does not make sense. Either their methodology is questionable or the respondents are taking the piss.
  • Anthony Wells writes

    (Regular readers will know this, but just to bring newer readers up to speed, the fieldwork for YouGov polls runs from about 5 o’clock one evening till about 3 o’clock the next day. This means the vast majority of the respondents tend to come overnight. If you are waiting to see if there is any polling effect from David Cameron’s announcement on the debate then you won’t see it this poll, which was mostly conducted before the announcement. Wait until the YouGov/Sunday Times poll.)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,123

    I think there maybe a thread coming up comparing the SNP to Sinn Fein.

    What's the Edinburgh equivalent of the General Post Office?

    Waverley station?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    Look at the 8000 sample Ashcroft poll - Labour are 1% ahead I reckon.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    You Gov is nonsense . two days ago the Tories were 3 pts ahead. Now Labour are 4 ahead. It does not make sense. Either their methodology is questionable or the respondents are taking the piss.

    From Gold Standard to in the bin in the matter of days.
  • Broadcasters prepared to give in to Cameron on TV debates

    Broadcasters believe prospect of 'empty chairing' David Cameron for the TV election debates is unrealistic, according to sources close to negotiations

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/11453319/Broadcasters-prepared-to-give-in-to-Cameron-on-TV-debates.html
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    I wonder if these attacks on Cameron over the leaders debates will show in future polls and leadership polls ?

    Like tonights YG?
    Don't think the bad press be counted in tonights poll,maybe weekend or next week,5 to 6% lead ;-)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,123
    Pulpstar said:

    Look at the 8000 sample Ashcroft poll - Labour are 1% ahead I reckon.

    OGH tweeted 4% lead yesterday - but how does he know???
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    I wonder if these attacks on Cameron over the leaders debates will show in future polls and leadership polls ?

    Like tonights YG?
    Don't think the bad press be counted in tonights poll,maybe weekend or next week,5 to 6% lead ;-)
    *** SWINGS GOALPOSTS IN THE AIR ****
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464

    You Gov is nonsense . two days ago the Tories were 3 pts ahead. Now Labour are 4 ahead. It does not make sense. Either their methodology is questionable or the respondents are taking the piss.

    Or both are around 33/4 +/- 3 or thereabouts.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095

    You Gov is nonsense . two days ago the Tories were 3 pts ahead. Now Labour are 4 ahead. It does not make sense. Either their methodology is questionable or the respondents are taking the piss.

    From Gold Standard to in the bin in the matter of days.
    You are talking bollocks too. You Gov does NOT make sense whichever party you may support. Its just doesn't.

    There is only one gold standard. ICM , irrespective of outliers.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    GIN1138 said:

    #crashedandburned

    What did you predict?

    This has to be an outlier Methinks so would have been a miracle to predict a 4% lab lead
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,123
    edited March 2015
    GIN1138 said:

    #crashedandburned

    #MiniFistPump
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    SeanT said:

    Cameron 4 points behind?

    Wait for the Tory Leader Suddenly Interested In Debates Again Moment - should arrive any time soon.

    LOL

  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,790



    Sun PoliticsVerified account
    @SunPolitics YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour ahead by four, their biggest lead since December: CON 31%, LAB 35%, LD 6%, UKIP 15%, GRN 8%

    How are UKIP on 15% ???

    Hasn't TGOHF been telling us that UKIP have been losing 1% per day for the last three months ?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Tonights YG apparently too early for the cowardice bounce

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_Xc7CWWQAAC_TN.jpg
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,580
    edited March 2015
    welshowl said:

    You Gov is nonsense . two days ago the Tories were 3 pts ahead. Now Labour are 4 ahead. It does not make sense. Either their methodology is questionable or the respondents are taking the piss.

    Or both are around 33/4 +/- 3 or thereabouts.
    Now now, no need to bring some sense into this.

    Still the Tory leads were fun while they lasted - I'd hoped for a few more days at least just to really spook Labour and get some Tory confidence up, who knows what could have been stirred up by that.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411

    Pulpstar said:

    Look at the 8000 sample Ashcroft poll - Labour are 1% ahead I reckon.

    OGH tweeted 4% lead yesterday - but how does he know???
    Thats if you take with no typical turnout weighting. I weighted it by the latest Ashcroft using a 7/10 only 1*, 0.9*,0.8*,0.7* on the weighted numbers.

    And applied no Don't know adjustment.

    So the truth is probably somewhere between 4% and level.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    SeanT said:

    FFS

    BBC News at Ten devotes 5 minutes to the "problem" of sexist chanting at football matches. e.g. "get yer tits out for the lads".

    Yes, this is probably coarse and offensive, but is this one of the main examples of misogyny afflicting the UK today? Can no one think of anything slightly more serious?

    This country is diseased. The BBC is particularly syphilitic.

    There are plenty of more serious things for everyone to worry about, but the way football fans act does seem to be a barometer to how the masses act. If they're obscenely sexist, which they are, or racist, which they also seem to have been lately, then I think it's right that that is reflected back to make us all aware of it.

    Do you think that a female physio out on the pitch patching up a player should have to put up with being harangued to get her tits out for the lads without it being raised in the media?
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    edited March 2015
    @TheScreamingEagles

    "Broadcasters prepared to give in to Cameron on TV debates"

    It's in the Torygraph so it must be true.....and all the broadcast media are wrong.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    So, in the case of just one debate - how many do Sky show?

  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    kle4 said:

    welshowl said:

    You Gov is nonsense . two days ago the Tories were 3 pts ahead. Now Labour are 4 ahead. It does not make sense. Either their methodology is questionable or the respondents are taking the piss.

    Or both are around 33/4 +/- 3 or thereabouts.
    Now now, no need to bring some sense into this.
    Sorry. Forgot where I was :-)
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    You Gov is nonsense . two days ago the Tories were 3 pts ahead. Now Labour are 4 ahead. It does not make sense. Either their methodology is questionable or the respondents are taking the piss.

    Last week YouGov were being criticised for their consistency!
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    SeanT said:

    FFS

    BBC News at Ten devotes 5 minutes to the "problem" of sexist chanting at football matches. e.g. "get yer tits out for the lads".

    Yes, this is probably coarse and offensive, but is this one of the main examples of misogyny afflicting the UK today? Can no one think of anything slightly more serious?

    This country is diseased. The BBC is particularly syphilitic.

    There are plenty of more serious things for everyone to worry about, but the way football fans act does seem to be a barometer to how the masses act. If they're obscenely sexist, which they are, or racist, which they also seem to have been lately, then I think it's right that that is reflected back to make us all aware of it.

    Do you think that a female physio out on the pitch patching up a player should have to put up with being harangued to get her tits out for the lads without it being raised in the media?
    Funny I've been to a few games this season and not heard a single sexist chant. Typically the chants make fun of the other side, not women.

    EG as a Liverpool fan its common in Anfield to hear the away fans singing "Sign on, sign on" to the tune of YNWA. Get your tits out? Nope, not heard that at all.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    Labour ain't 4% ahead guys in case you're all wondering. But they are probably still ahead.

    JUST.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    I think there maybe a thread coming up comparing the SNP to Sinn Fein.

    What's the Edinburgh equivalent of the General Post Office?

    The Mound.

    And that would make it doubly relevant.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    Dair said:

    You Gov is nonsense . two days ago the Tories were 3 pts ahead. Now Labour are 4 ahead. It does not make sense. Either their methodology is questionable or the respondents are taking the piss.

    Last week YouGov were being criticised for their consistency!
    That critisicm was being done by people who actually bet and like to see a few outliers to show the sample is random enough.
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