BBC News at Ten devotes 5 minutes to the "problem" of sexist chanting at football matches. e.g. "get yer tits out for the lads".
Yes, this is probably coarse and offensive, but is this one of the main examples of misogyny afflicting the UK today? Can no one think of anything slightly more serious?
This country is diseased. The BBC is particularly syphilitic.
There are plenty of more serious things for everyone to worry about, but the way football fans act does seem to be a barometer to how the masses act. If they're obscenely sexist, which they are, or racist, which they also seem to have been lately, then I think it's right that that is reflected back to make us all aware of it.
Do you think that a female physio out on the pitch patching up a player should have to put up with being harangued to get her tits out for the lads without it being raised in the media?
Funny I've been to a few games this season and not heard a single sexist chant. Typically the chants make fun of the other side, not women.
EG as a Liverpool fan its common in Anfield to hear the away fans singing "Sign on, sign on" to the tune of YNWA. Get your tits out? Nope, not heard that at all.
Were there any women on the pitch at the games you went to?
You Gov is nonsense . two days ago the Tories were 3 pts ahead. Now Labour are 4 ahead. It does not make sense. Either their methodology is questionable or the respondents are taking the piss.
Or both are around 33/4 +/- 3 or thereabouts.
Correct. And with the fall in LDs rise in SNP and with ukip on 15, then this changed landscape makes that +/- 3 even more dubious.
BBC News at Ten devotes 5 minutes to the "problem" of sexist chanting at football matches. e.g. "get yer tits out for the lads".
Yes, this is probably coarse and offensive, but is this one of the main examples of misogyny afflicting the UK today? Can no one think of anything slightly more serious?
This country is diseased. The BBC is particularly syphilitic.
There are plenty of more serious things for everyone to worry about, but the way football fans act does seem to be a barometer to how the masses act. If they're obscenely sexist, which they are, or racist, which they also seem to have been lately, then I think it's right that that is reflected back to make us all aware of it.
Do you think that a female physio out on the pitch patching up a player should have to put up with being harangued to get her tits out for the lads without it being raised in the media?
I hear the odd chant about the Refs Onanism, and a fair amount of bad language but cannot recall any sexist, racist or homophobic chanting at LCFC from either set of fans.
I did rather like the chants at Raheem Stirling when he was laying on the grass of "He's so tired, so f***ing tired...." etc. Very droll!
You Gov is nonsense . two days ago the Tories were 3 pts ahead. Now Labour are 4 ahead. It does not make sense. Either their methodology is questionable or the respondents are taking the piss.
Last week YouGov were being criticised for their consistency!
ELBOW of YG polls only for last week gave Cons 0.1% lead
The trouble with internet polls is they can measure voters reaction to a single incident. There's no doubt Cameron has looked like a slippery eel today. Particularly unattractive because he always has a bit of that in him but it's usually hidden. Today it reminded respondents what they don't like about him. I'm sure it'll be forgotten soon enough
Are UKIP really finding it as hard to hold onto these council seats as the piece says? Curious that should be the case, though their rise of the past few years has enabled them to attempt and hope for a couple of MPs even if the council game is not going swimmingly, so I doubt they'll mind if it works nationally.
BBC News at Ten devotes 5 minutes to the "problem" of sexist chanting at football matches. e.g. "get yer tits out for the lads".
Yes, this is probably coarse and offensive, but is this one of the main examples of misogyny afflicting the UK today? Can no one think of anything slightly more serious?
This country is diseased. The BBC is particularly syphilitic.
There are plenty of more serious things for everyone to worry about, but the way football fans act does seem to be a barometer to how the masses act. If they're obscenely sexist, which they are, or racist, which they also seem to have been lately, then I think it's right that that is reflected back to make us all aware of it.
Do you think that a female physio out on the pitch patching up a player should have to put up with being harangued to get her tits out for the lads without it being raised in the media?
Funny I've been to a few games this season and not heard a single sexist chant. Typically the chants make fun of the other side, not women.
EG as a Liverpool fan its common in Anfield to hear the away fans singing "Sign on, sign on" to the tune of YNWA. Get your tits out? Nope, not heard that at all.
Were there any women on the pitch at the games you went to?
No. Generally there aren't women on the pitch at a mens football game.
And even if a female physio etc is around, its still the opposing players and fans who get stick not them.
BBC News at Ten devotes 5 minutes to the "problem" of sexist chanting at football matches. e.g. "get yer tits out for the lads".
Yes, this is probably coarse and offensive, but is this one of the main examples of misogyny afflicting the UK today? Can no one think of anything slightly more serious?
This country is diseased. The BBC is particularly syphilitic.
There are plenty of more serious things for everyone to worry about, but the way football fans act does seem to be a barometer to how the masses act. If they're obscenely sexist, which they are, or racist, which they also seem to have been lately, then I think it's right that that is reflected back to make us all aware of it.
Do you think that a female physio out on the pitch patching up a player should have to put up with being harangued to get her tits out for the lads without it being raised in the media?
I hear the odd chant about the Refs Onanism, and a fair amount of bad language but cannot recall any sexist, racist or homophobic chanting at LCFC from either set of fans.
I did rather like the chants at Raheem Stirling when he was laying on the grass of "He's so tired, so f***ing tired...." etc. Very droll!
I've not heard any sexism at the spurs games I've been to, but I've never seen a woman on the pitch. The R4 report on this today played the fans reaction to a female physio on the pitch at a lower league game and they got into a loud chorus of "get your tits out for the lads"
BBC News at Ten devotes 5 minutes to the "problem" of sexist chanting at football matches. e.g. "get yer tits out for the lads".
Yes, this is probably coarse and offensive, but is this one of the main examples of misogyny afflicting the UK today? Can no one think of anything slightly more serious?
This country is diseased. The BBC is particularly syphilitic.
There are plenty of more serious things for everyone to worry about, but the way football fans act does seem to be a barometer to how the masses act. If they're obscenely sexist, which they are, or racist, which they also seem to have been lately, then I think it's right that that is reflected back to make us all aware of it.
Do you think that a female physio out on the pitch patching up a player should have to put up with being harangued to get her tits out for the lads without it being raised in the media?
Funny I've been to a few games this season and not heard a single sexist chant. Typically the chants make fun of the other side, not women.
EG as a Liverpool fan its common in Anfield to hear the away fans singing "Sign on, sign on" to the tune of YNWA. Get your tits out? Nope, not heard that at all.
Were there any women on the pitch at the games you went to?
No. Generally there aren't women on the pitch at a mens football game.
And even if a female physio etc is around, its still the opposing players and fans who get stick not them.
These young ladies got a very appreciative audience at LCFC a couple of years back:
BBC News at Ten devotes 5 minutes to the "problem" of sexist chanting at football matches. e.g. "get yer tits out for the lads".
Yes, this is probably coarse and offensive, but is this one of the main examples of misogyny afflicting the UK today? Can no one think of anything slightly more serious?
This country is diseased. The BBC is particularly syphilitic.
Reminiscent of the BBC leading the news with 'allegations' during Euro 2012 of racist fans at a match between two foreign countries taking place in another foreign country.
The underlying hatred of football fans is based on their wwc association.
One group towards whom bigoted hatred is always encouraged.
BBC News at Ten devotes 5 minutes to the "problem" of sexist chanting at football matches. e.g. "get yer tits out for the lads".
Yes, this is probably coarse and offensive, but is this one of the main examples of misogyny afflicting the UK today? Can no one think of anything slightly more serious?
This country is diseased. The BBC is particularly syphilitic.
There are plenty of more serious things for everyone to worry about, but the way football fans act does seem to be a barometer to how the masses act. If they're obscenely sexist, which they are, or racist, which they also seem to have been lately, then I think it's right that that is reflected back to make us all aware of it.
Do you think that a female physio out on the pitch patching up a player should have to put up with being harangued to get her tits out for the lads without it being raised in the media?
I hear the odd chant about the Refs Onanism, and a fair amount of bad language but cannot recall any sexist, racist or homophobic chanting at LCFC from either set of fans.
I did rather like the chants at Raheem Stirling when he was laying on the grass of "He's so tired, so f***ing tired...." etc. Very droll!
I did enjoy our little sing along down at Stamford bridge 'Mourinho's right,your fans are shite' maybe the PC BBC should investigate fans songs been nasty humour about each other ;-)
BBC News at Ten devotes 5 minutes to the "problem" of sexist chanting at football matches. e.g. "get yer tits out for the lads".
Yes, this is probably coarse and offensive, but is this one of the main examples of misogyny afflicting the UK today? Can no one think of anything slightly more serious?
This country is diseased. The BBC is particularly syphilitic.
There are plenty of more serious things for everyone to worry about, but the way football fans act does seem to be a barometer to how the masses act. If they're obscenely sexist, which they are, or racist, which they also seem to have been lately, then I think it's right that that is reflected back to make us all aware of it.
Do you think that a female physio out on the pitch patching up a player should have to put up with being harangued to get her tits out for the lads without it being raised in the media?
I hear the odd chant about the Refs Onanism, and a fair amount of bad language but cannot recall any sexist, racist or homophobic chanting at LCFC from either set of fans.
I did rather like the chants at Raheem Stirling when he was laying on the grass of "He's so tired, so f***ing tired...." etc. Very droll!
I've not heard any sexism at the spurs games I've been to, but I've never seen a woman on the pitch. The R4 report on this today played the fans reaction to a female physio on the pitch at a lower league game and they got into a loud chorus of "get your tits out for the lads"
Is that ok?
So Radio 4 is leading the news on a chorus of chants by a few people at a lower league game?
Perhaps the Welsh PBers might have an opinion but Ladbrokes are offering Evens on PC being below 3.5 MPs after the election.
Relevant seats:
Dwyfor - PC 22% lead over Con Carmarthen E - PC 10% over Lab Arfon - PC 6% lead over Lab
Ceredigon - LD 22% lead over PC Ynys Mon - Lab 7% lead over PC Llanelli - Lab 12% lead over PC
So does anyone expect PC to make gains ?
I see no evidence myself.
Doubt it, unless the L Dems utterly implode in Ceredigion ( possible of course given the UK polls,but these deeply rural deeply Celtic seats don't really fit general trends very well I'd think). I could see Carmathen East being dodgy for them though. Ms Wood is just a walking disaster for them IMHO.
BBC News at Ten devotes 5 minutes to the "problem" of sexist chanting at football matches. e.g. "get yer tits out for the lads".
Yes, this is probably coarse and offensive, but is this one of the main examples of misogyny afflicting the UK today? Can no one think of anything slightly more serious?
This country is diseased. The BBC is particularly syphilitic.
There are plenty of more serious things for everyone to worry about, but the way football fans act does seem to be a barometer to how the masses act. If they're obscenely sexist, which they are, or racist, which they also seem to have been lately, then I think it's right that that is reflected back to make us all aware of it.
Do you think that a female physio out on the pitch patching up a player should have to put up with being harangued to get her tits out for the lads without it being raised in the media?
I hear the odd chant about the Refs Onanism, and a fair amount of bad language but cannot recall any sexist, racist or homophobic chanting at LCFC from either set of fans.
I did rather like the chants at Raheem Stirling when he was laying on the grass of "He's so tired, so f***ing tired...." etc. Very droll!
I did enjoy our little sing along down at Stamford bridge 'Mourinho's right,your fans are shite' maybe the PC BBC should investigate fans songs been nasty humour about each other ;-)
When we lost to Spurs on boxing day the spurs fans were replied to with "you're nothing special, we lose every week"
BBC News at Ten devotes 5 minutes to the "problem" of sexist chanting at football matches. e.g. "get yer tits out for the lads".
Yes, this is probably coarse and offensive, but is this one of the main examples of misogyny afflicting the UK today? Can no one think of anything slightly more serious?
This country is diseased. The BBC is particularly syphilitic.
There are plenty of more serious things for everyone to worry about, but the way football fans act does seem to be a barometer to how the masses act. If they're obscenely sexist, which they are, or racist, which they also seem to have been lately, then I think it's right that that is reflected back to make us all aware of it.
Do you think that a female physio out on the pitch patching up a player should have to put up with being harangued to get her tits out for the lads without it being raised in the media?
Funny I've been to a few games this season and not heard a single sexist chant. Typically the chants make fun of the other side, not women.
EG as a Liverpool fan its common in Anfield to hear the away fans singing "Sign on, sign on" to the tune of YNWA. Get your tits out? Nope, not heard that at all.
Were there any women on the pitch at the games you went to?
No. Generally there aren't women on the pitch at a mens football game.
And even if a female physio etc is around, its still the opposing players and fans who get stick not them.
These young ladies got a very appreciative audience at LCFC a couple of years back:
BBC News at Ten devotes 5 minutes to the "problem" of sexist chanting at football matches. e.g. "get yer tits out for the lads".
Yes, this is probably coarse and offensive, but is this one of the main examples of misogyny afflicting the UK today? Can no one think of anything slightly more serious?
This country is diseased. The BBC is particularly syphilitic.
There are plenty of more serious things for everyone to worry about, but the way football fans act does seem to be a barometer to how the masses act. If they're obscenely sexist, which they are, or racist, which they also seem to have been lately, then I think it's right that that is reflected back to make us all aware of it.
Do you think that a female physio out on the pitch patching up a player should have to put up with being harangued to get her tits out for the lads without it being raised in the media?
I hear the odd chant about the Refs Onanism, and a fair amount of bad language but cannot recall any sexist, racist or homophobic chanting at LCFC from either set of fans.
I did rather like the chants at Raheem Stirling when he was laying on the grass of "He's so tired, so f***ing tired...." etc. Very droll!
I did enjoy our little sing along down at Stamford bridge 'Mourinho's right,your fans are shite' maybe the PC BBC should investigate fans songs been nasty humour about each other ;-)
I heard Spurs fans once chanted at Mourinho "your coat's from Matalan" which must've mortified him:-)
BBC News at Ten devotes 5 minutes to the "problem" of sexist chanting at football matches. e.g. "get yer tits out for the lads".
Yes, this is probably coarse and offensive, but is this one of the main examples of misogyny afflicting the UK today? Can no one think of anything slightly more serious?
This country is diseased. The BBC is particularly syphilitic.
There are plenty of more serious things for everyone to worry about, but the way football fans act does seem to be a barometer to how the masses act. If they're obscenely sexist, which they are, or racist, which they also seem to have been lately, then I think it's right that that is reflected back to make us all aware of it.
Do you think that a female physio out on the pitch patching up a player should have to put up with being harangued to get her tits out for the lads without it being raised in the media?
I hear the odd chant about the Refs Onanism, and a fair amount of bad language but cannot recall any sexist, racist or homophobic chanting at LCFC from either set of fans.
I did rather like the chants at Raheem Stirling when he was laying on the grass of "He's so tired, so f***ing tired...." etc. Very droll!
I did enjoy our little sing along down at Stamford bridge 'Mourinho's right,your fans are shite' maybe the PC BBC should investigate fans songs been nasty humour about each other ;-)
When we lost to Spurs on boxing day the spurs fans were replied to with "you're nothing special, we lose every week"
Leicester fans at least have insight...
The worst chant I ever heard, and I'm someone who went to an England match and heard the England fans chant, I'd rather be a Paki than a Turk, was back in 2005, New Year's Day, Chelsea fans started chanting at us Liverpool fans
"There's only one Boris Johnson"
This was in the aftermath of that Spectator article on Liverpool/Ken Bigley
Hey, he is the Talk of the Glens. All the Glens want him out. And the Alasairs and the Iains and the Alecs and the Mhairs and the Catrionas. He's the talk of everyone in the highlands - about how to get rid of him.
BBC News at Ten devotes 5 minutes to the "problem" of sexist chanting at football matches. e.g. "get yer tits out for the lads".
Yes, this is probably coarse and offensive, but is this one of the main examples of misogyny afflicting the UK today? Can no one think of anything slightly more serious?
This country is diseased. The BBC is particularly syphilitic.
There are plenty of more serious things for everyone to worry about, but the way football fans act does seem to be a barometer to how the masses act. If they're obscenely sexist, which they are, or racist, which they also seem to have been lately, then I think it's right that that is reflected back to make us all aware of it.
Do you think that a female physio out on the pitch patching up a player should have to put up with being harangued to get her tits out for the lads without it being raised in the media?
I think the violent, cruel, racialised gang rape of approximately 200,000 white girls (copyright: antifrank) by mainly Pakistani-origin males slightly outweighs a lineswoman being asked to "get her tits out".
Maybe I'm just an old-fashioned journalist, or maybe I'm an "obsessive" nutter like Socrates, but that's what I think. The scandal of Rotherham/Oxford/everywhere should be dominating our news every day, and if the racial roles were reversed, it would be. But it's too discomforting for BBC liberals, so they go for a ludicrous yet comforting target like "sexist chanting at football" where the miscreants are, happily, white working class males, in the main.
Just despicable. I cordially loathe BBC journalists who work on shit like this.
Though I entirely agree with you that there are many things much worse than the casual sexism at football matches, especially the disgusting and disgraceful abuse of young girls all over the country, that doesn't mean we should let people get away with the sexism that exists.
In fact, I think that dealing with the kind of sexism that makes it ok for football fans to abuse women might help us deal with the disgusting abuses.
BBC News at Ten devotes 5 minutes to the "problem" of sexist chanting at football matches. e.g. "get yer tits out for the lads".
Yes, this is probably coarse and offensive, but is this one of the main examples of misogyny afflicting the UK today? Can no one think of anything slightly more serious?
This country is diseased. The BBC is particularly syphilitic.
There are plenty of more serious things for everyone to worry about, but the way football fans act does seem to be a barometer to how the masses act. If they're obscenely sexist, which they are, or racist, which they also seem to have been lately, then I think it's right that that is reflected back to make us all aware of it.
Do you think that a female physio out on the pitch patching up a player should have to put up with being harangued to get her tits out for the lads without it being raised in the media?
Funny I've been to a few games this season and not heard a single sexist chant. Typically the chants make fun of the other side, not women.
EG as a Liverpool fan its common in Anfield to hear the away fans singing "Sign on, sign on" to the tune of YNWA. Get your tits out? Nope, not heard that at all.
Were there any women on the pitch at the games you went to?
No. Generally there aren't women on the pitch at a mens football game.
And even if a female physio etc is around, its still the opposing players and fans who get stick not them.
These young ladies got a very appreciative audience at LCFC a couple of years back:
ICM would be showing similarly unusual movements if it were a daily tracking pollster like YouGov is. An occasional oddly large Labour/Tory lead is to be expected in a daily tracker (assuming that the overall picture is a virtual tie), given that the margin of error 3-4% (per party %). With daily trackers one should pay attention to the trend (i.e. take the average of 5-7 or so individual VI polls) rather than put too much stock into a single poll.
BBC News at Ten devotes 5 minutes to the "problem" of sexist chanting at football matches. e.g. "get yer tits out for the lads".
Yes, this is probably coarse and offensive, but is this one of the main examples of misogyny afflicting the UK today? Can no one think of anything slightly more serious?
This country is diseased. The BBC is particularly syphilitic.
There are plenty of more serious things for everyone to worry about, but the way football fans act does seem to be a barometer to how the masses act. If they're obscenely sexist, which they are, or racist, which they also seem to have been lately, then I think it's right that that is reflected back to make us all aware of it.
Do you think that a female physio out on the pitch patching up a player should have to put up with being harangued to get her tits out for the lads without it being raised in the media?
I hear the odd chant about the Refs Onanism, and a fair amount of bad language but cannot recall any sexist, racist or homophobic chanting at LCFC from either set of fans.
I did rather like the chants at Raheem Stirling when he was laying on the grass of "He's so tired, so f***ing tired...." etc. Very droll!
I've not heard any sexism at the spurs games I've been to, but I've never seen a woman on the pitch. The R4 report on this today played the fans reaction to a female physio on the pitch at a lower league game and they got into a loud chorus of "get your tits out for the lads"
Is that ok?
So Radio 4 is leading the news on a chorus of chants by a few people at a lower league game?
BBC News at Ten devotes 5 minutes to the "problem" of sexist chanting at football matches. e.g. "get yer tits out for the lads".
Yes, this is probably coarse and offensive, but is this one of the main examples of misogyny afflicting the UK today? Can no one think of anything slightly more serious?
This country is diseased. The BBC is particularly syphilitic.
There are plenty of more serious things for everyone to worry about, but the way football fans act does seem to be a barometer to how the masses act. If they're obscenely sexist, which they are, or racist, which they also seem to have been lately, then I think it's right that that is reflected back to make us all aware of it.
Do you think that a female physio out on the pitch patching up a player should have to put up with being harangued to get her tits out for the lads without it being raised in the media?
I hear the odd chant about the Refs Onanism, and a fair amount of bad language but cannot recall any sexist, racist or homophobic chanting at LCFC from either set of fans.
I did rather like the chants at Raheem Stirling when he was laying on the grass of "He's so tired, so f***ing tired...." etc. Very droll!
I did enjoy our little sing along down at Stamford bridge 'Mourinho's right,your fans are shite' maybe the PC BBC should investigate fans songs been nasty humour about each other ;-)
When we lost to Spurs on boxing day the spurs fans were replied to with "you're nothing special, we lose every week"
Leicester fans at least have insight...
The worst chant I ever heard, and I'm someone who went to an England match and heard the England fans chant, I'd rather be a Paki than a Turk, was back in 2005, New Year's Day, Chelsea fans started chanting at us Liverpool fans
"There's only one Boris Johnson"
This was in the aftermath of that Spectator article on Liverpool/Ken Bigley
Racism, casual bigotry and intolerance seems on the rise.
BBC News at Ten devotes 5 minutes to the "problem" of sexist chanting at football matches. e.g. "get yer tits out for the lads".
Yes, this is probably coarse and offensive, but is this one of the main examples of misogyny afflicting the UK today? Can no one think of anything slightly more serious?
This country is diseased. The BBC is particularly syphilitic.
There are plenty of more serious things for everyone to worry about, but the way football fans act does seem to be a barometer to how the masses act. If they're obscenely sexist, which they are, or racist, which they also seem to have been lately, then I think it's right that that is reflected back to make us all aware of it.
Do you think that a female physio out on the pitch patching up a player should have to put up with being harangued to get her tits out for the lads without it being raised in the media?
I hear the odd chant about the Refs Onanism, and a fair amount of bad language but cannot recall any sexist, racist or homophobic chanting at LCFC from either set of fans.
I did rather like the chants at Raheem Stirling when he was laying on the grass of "He's so tired, so f***ing tired...." etc. Very droll!
I've not heard any sexism at the spurs games I've been to, but I've never seen a woman on the pitch. The R4 report on this today played the fans reaction to a female physio on the pitch at a lower league game and they got into a loud chorus of "get your tits out for the lads"
Is that ok?
So Radio 4 is leading the news on a chorus of chants by a few people at a lower league game?
That's pathetic.
Is it ok that fans chant that way?
No it isn't right but should the PC BBC be going big on this ?
BBC News at Ten devotes 5 minutes to the "problem" of sexist chanting at football matches. e.g. "get yer tits out for the lads".
Yes, this is probably coarse and offensive, but is this one of the main examples of misogyny afflicting the UK today? Can no one think of anything slightly more serious?
This country is diseased. The BBC is particularly syphilitic.
There are plenty of more serious things for everyone to worry about, but the way football fans act does seem to be a barometer to how the masses act. If they're obscenely sexist, which they are, or racist, which they also seem to have been lately, then I think it's right that that is reflected back to make us all aware of it.
Do you think that a female physio out on the pitch patching up a player should have to put up with being harangued to get her tits out for the lads without it being raised in the media?
I hear the odd chant about the Refs Onanism, and a fair amount of bad language but cannot recall any sexist, racist or homophobic chanting at LCFC from either set of fans.
I did rather like the chants at Raheem Stirling when he was laying on the grass of "He's so tired, so f***ing tired...." etc. Very droll!
I've not heard any sexism at the spurs games I've been to, but I've never seen a woman on the pitch. The R4 report on this today played the fans reaction to a female physio on the pitch at a lower league game and they got into a loud chorus of "get your tits out for the lads"
Is that ok?
So Radio 4 is leading the news on a chorus of chants by a few people at a lower league game?
That's pathetic.
Is it ok that fans chant that way?
No it isn't right but should the PC BBC be going big on this ?
I'd rather they did that than going big on concentrating on their opinion of the Tories
OK, I'm going to give up even trying to understand these polls.
This presumably means Labour will just about stave off crossover in the ELBOW this week?
If Con and Lab are tied on 33%/33% then anything from Con 36%/Lab 30% to Con 30%/Lab 36% is within the margin for error.
That is not quite mathematically correct . For parties with a VI of circa 33% , the M of E is around plus/minus 2.5% not plus/minus 3 %
You get the point though?
Yes I do get the point but I am still surprised how so many on here do not grasp the Maths behind M of E calculations and that the M of E reduces substantially as the VI of a party goes down . The M of E for a party with say 10% support is around 1% nowhere near the 3% some people think it is .
BBC News at Ten devotes 5 minutes to the "problem" of sexist chanting at football matches. e.g. "get yer tits out for the lads".
Yes, this is probably coarse and offensive, but is this one of the main examples of misogyny afflicting the UK today? Can no one think of anything slightly more serious?
This country is diseased. The BBC is particularly syphilitic.
There are plenty of more serious things for everyone to worry about, but the way football fans act does seem to be a barometer to how the masses act. If they're obscenely sexist, which they are, or racist, which they also seem to have been lately, then I think it's right that that is reflected back to make us all aware of it.
Do you think that a female physio out on the pitch patching up a player should have to put up with being harangued to get her tits out for the lads without it being raised in the media?
Funny I've been to a few games this season and not heard a single sexist chant. Typically the chants make fun of the other side, not women.
EG as a Liverpool fan its common in Anfield to hear the away fans singing "Sign on, sign on" to the tune of YNWA. Get your tits out? Nope, not heard that at all.
Were there any women on the pitch at the games you went to?
No. Generally there aren't women on the pitch at a mens football game.
And even if a female physio etc is around, its still the opposing players and fans who get stick not them.
These young ladies got a very appreciative audience at LCFC a couple of years back:
At one point we used to have our own cheerleaders: the foxy ladies. They were not a patch on the septics.
even Google appears to have forgotten the "Stoke City Slickers". deservedly so
Various apologists up thread must be a bit deaf and or blind. Certainly the abuse picked up by the mics on the BBC were blatant and disgusting. On the subject of the cheerleaders - do they get abuse at American Football games? It would be interesting to know. Do Rugby League fans or Rugby Union fans abuse female physios? In my experience - not, but I'm a bit out of date. There seems to be one word missing when it comes to these incidents - 'respect'. The abusers clearly have none, nor any self control. In terms of all kinds of abuse the absence of respect and of self control seems quite important to me.
Any suggestions for what I should do for the morning thread?
Shall I put up my AV thread?
You could discuss how the February "Super-ELBOW" showing a Lab lead of 1.2% (0.8% for YouGov polls only, 1.6% excluding YouGov) is at variance with David Herdson's analysis?
BBC News at Ten devotes 5 minutes to the "problem" of sexist chanting at football matches. e.g. "get yer tits out for the lads".
Yes, this is probably coarse and offensive, but is this one of the main examples of misogyny afflicting the UK today? Can no one think of anything slightly more serious?
This country is diseased. The BBC is particularly syphilitic.
There are plenty of more serious things for everyone to worry about, but the way football fans act does seem to be a barometer to how the masses act. If they're obscenely sexist, which they are, or racist, which they also seem to have been lately, then I think it's right that that is reflected back to make us all aware of it.
Do you think that a female physio out on the pitch patching up a player should have to put up with being harangued to get her tits out for the lads without it being raised in the media?
I hear the odd chant about the Refs Onanism, and a fair amount of bad language but cannot recall any sexist, racist or homophobic chanting at LCFC from either set of fans.
I did rather like the chants at Raheem Stirling when he was laying on the grass of "He's so tired, so f***ing tired...." etc. Very droll!
I've not heard any sexism at the spurs games I've been to, but I've never seen a woman on the pitch. The R4 report on this today played the fans reaction to a female physio on the pitch at a lower league game and they got into a loud chorus of "get your tits out for the lads"
Is that ok?
So Radio 4 is leading the news on a chorus of chants by a few people at a lower league game?
That's pathetic.
Is it ok that fans chant that way?
No it isn't right but should the PC BBC be going big on this ?
Why are you so obsessive? Who cares if a QUARTER OF A MILLION poor white British girls were raped and abused by mainly-Pakistani gangs of predatory and racist pedophiles?
Don't you understand that 14 working class British men may have said "get yer tits out" in 2008?
PRIORITIES. BBC LIBERAL PRIORITIES.
How exactly would you deal with the sexual exploitation of young white girls by Muslims if you were in charge?
ICM would be showing similarly unusual movements if it were a daily tracking pollster like YouGov is. An occasional oddly large Labour/Tory lead is to be expected in a daily tracker (assuming that the overall picture is a virtual tie), given that the margin of error 3-4% (per party %). With daily trackers one should pay attention to the trend (i.e. take the average of 5-7 or so individual VI polls) rather than put too much stock into a single poll.
That's right. But some here were getting carried away after a couple of Tory leads. My theory FWIW remains what it's been for months - Labour has a small lead and neither party is moving much 'cos these are core votes.
BBC News at Ten devotes 5 minutes to the "problem" of sexist chanting at football matches. e.g. "get yer tits out for the lads".
Yes, this is probably coarse and offensive, but is this one of the main examples of misogyny afflicting the UK today? Can no one think of anything slightly more serious?
This country is diseased. The BBC is particularly syphilitic.
There are plenty of more serious things for everyone to worry about, but the way football fans act does seem to be a barometer to how the masses act. If they're obscenely sexist, which they are, or racist, which they also seem to have been lately, then I think it's right that that is reflected back to make us all aware of it.
Do you think that a female physio out on the pitch patching up a player should have to put up with being harangued to get her tits out for the lads without it being raised in the media?
I think the violent, cruel, racialised gang rape of approximately 200,000 white girls (copyright: antifrank) by mainly Pakistani-origin males slightly outweighs a lineswoman being asked to "get her tits out".
Maybe I'm just an old-fashioned journalist, or maybe I'm an "obsessive" nutter like Socrates, but that's what I think. The scandal of Rotherham/Oxford/everywhere should be dominating our news every day, and if the racial roles were reversed, it would be. But it's too discomforting for BBC liberals, so they go for a ludicrous yet comforting target like "sexist chanting at football" where the miscreants are, happily, white working class males, in the main.
Just despicable. I cordially loathe BBC journalists who work on shit like this.
Though I entirely agree with you that there are many things much worse than the casual sexism at football matches, especially the disgusting and disgraceful abuse of young girls all over the country, that doesn't mean we should let people get away with the sexism that exists.
In fact, I think that dealing with the kind of sexism that makes it ok for football fans to abuse women might help us deal with the disgusting abuses.
today could be the day Dave lost the election with the cowardice claims, or it could all be forgotten in a week when the focus is on the budget and the economy again...could go either way...
ICM would be showing similarly unusual movements if it were a daily tracking pollster like YouGov is. An occasional oddly large Labour/Tory lead is to be expected in a daily tracker (assuming that the overall picture is a virtual tie), given that the margin of error 3-4% (per party %). With daily trackers one should pay attention to the trend (i.e. take the average of 5-7 or so individual VI polls) rather than put too much stock into a single poll.
That's right. But some here were getting carried away after a couple of Tory leads. My theory FWIW remains what it's been for months - Labour has a small lead and neither party is moving much 'cos these are core votes.
Out of curiosity Nick but if you win in May will you be the oldest new MP ?
And if so does that get you any sort of unofficial title corresponding to 'Father of the House' or 'Baby of the House' ?
BBC News at Ten devotes 5 minutes to the "problem" of sexist chanting at football matches. e.g. "get yer tits out for the lads".
Yes, this is probably coarse and offensive, but is this one of the main examples of misogyny afflicting the UK today? Can no one think of anything slightly more serious?
This country is diseased. The BBC is particularly syphilitic.
There are plenty of more serious things for everyone to worry about, but the way football fans act does seem to be a barometer to how the masses act. If they're obscenely sexist, which they are, or racist, which they also seem to have been lately, then I think it's right that that is reflected back to make us all aware of it.
Do you think that a female physio out on the pitch patching up a player should have to put up with being harangued to get her tits out for the lads without it being raised in the media?
I hear the odd chant about the Refs Onanism, and a fair amount of bad language but cannot recall any sexist, racist or homophobic chanting at LCFC from either set of fans.
I did rather like the chants at Raheem Stirling when he was laying on the grass of "He's so tired, so f***ing tired...." etc. Very droll!
I've not heard any sexism at the spurs games I've been to, but I've never seen a woman on the pitch. The R4 report on this today played the fans reaction to a female physio on the pitch at a lower league game and they got into a loud chorus of "get your tits out for the lads"
Is that ok?
So Radio 4 is leading the news on a chorus of chants by a few people at a lower league game?
That's pathetic.
Is it ok that fans chant that way?
No it isn't right but should the PC BBC be going big on this ?
Why are you so obsessive? Who cares if a QUARTER OF A MILLION poor white British girls were raped and abused by mainly-Pakistani gangs of predatory and racist pedophiles?
Don't you understand that 14 working class British men may have said "get yer tits out" in 2008?
PRIORITIES. BBC LIBERAL PRIORITIES.
How exactly would you deal with the sexual exploitation of young white girls by Muslims if you were in charge?
Older men sexually or commercially exploiting young women of a different race and culture?
Various apologists up thread must be a bit deaf and or blind. Certainly the abuse picked up by the mics on the BBC were blatant and disgusting. On the subject of the cheerleaders - do they get abuse at American Football games? It would be interesting to know. Do Rugby League fans or Rugby Union fans abuse female physios? In my experience - not, but I'm a bit out of date. There seems to be one word missing when it comes to these incidents - 'respect'. The abusers clearly have none, nor any self control. In terms of all kinds of abuse the absence of respect and of self control seems quite important to me.
I'm also out of date - you leave the country and then your team goes and gets promoted to the top division. It was all stockport county and wrexham in my day!
it's an interesting question. self-control is certainly lesser inside a football crowd. maybe that's why young lads like to go, to a certain degree. Even speaking personally, I've found myself using words in front of my father at a stoke match that I would never dream of using in front of him in any other context.
As I remember the stoke city slickers weren't abused. just met with puzzlement or indifference. Like the appearance of a burger van at the ballet
With all the focus on Bradford West, I hadn't understood quite what a mess the politics of Bradford East are. On paper it's a 3-way LibDem/Labour/Con marginal. In the real world it seems to be near incomprehensible, with a LibDem incumbent who has, how shall I put, certain 'issues' with one of the world's great religions, a Labour candidate who's a retread from the Bradford West disaster of 2012 but (according to the Guardian) is "a member of one of Bradford’s most powerful Kashmiri families", a Conservative candidate who looks to be well-connected, a UKIP candidate who doesn't quite fit the stereotype, but as yet no Respect candidate although that might change.
ICM would be showing similarly unusual movements if it were a daily tracking pollster like YouGov is. An occasional oddly large Labour/Tory lead is to be expected in a daily tracker (assuming that the overall picture is a virtual tie), given that the margin of error 3-4% (per party %). With daily trackers one should pay attention to the trend (i.e. take the average of 5-7 or so individual VI polls) rather than put too much stock into a single poll.
That's right. But some here were getting carried away after a couple of Tory leads. My theory FWIW remains what it's been for months - Labour has a small lead and neither party is moving much 'cos these are core votes.
Out of curiosity Nick but if you win in May will you be the oldest new MP ?
And if so does that get you any sort of unofficial title corresponding to 'Father of the House' or 'Baby of the House' ?
Various apologists up thread must be a bit deaf and or blind. Certainly the abuse picked up by the mics on the BBC were blatant and disgusting. On the subject of the cheerleaders - do they get abuse at American Football games? It would be interesting to know. Do Rugby League fans or Rugby Union fans abuse female physios? In my experience - not, but I'm a bit out of date. There seems to be one word missing when it comes to these incidents - 'respect'. The abusers clearly have none, nor any self control. In terms of all kinds of abuse the absence of respect and of self control seems quite important to me.
League has had female physios for at least 20 years, no "whoops" no discrimination. Football fans do it because the culture in football accepts it. I'm a Rangers fan, most of our fans are fucking scum you wouldn't let near your children or handicapped family members and I don't think that is a Rangers thing.
One day it might improve, might be a long way out.
Given the howls of anguish from our Labour/LibDem/Kipper friends, it's becoming very hard to avoid the conclusion that Cameron must have played a blinder in this debates game.
With all the focus on Bradford West, I hadn't understood quite what a mess the politics of Bradford East are. On paper it's a 3-way LibDem/Labour/Con marginal. In the real world it seems to be near incomprehensible, with a LibDem incumbent who has, how shall I put, certain 'issues' with one of the world's great religions, a Labour candidate who's a retread from the Bradford West disaster of 2012 but (according to the Guardian) is "a member of one of Bradford’s most powerful Kashmiri families", a Conservative candidate who looks to be well-connected, a UKIP candidate who doesn't quite fit the stereotype, but as yet no Respect candidate although that might change.
Any value here?
I've backed Labour here, but far too short !
Hopefully Imran will get the "community leaders" onside. Praying there is no Respect candidate tbh.
Relying on the unpopularity of the Lib Dems up in northern cities to see him home rather than any particular Labour brilliance.
"Any suggestions for what I should do for the morning thread?"
How about 'Which was the more sinister appointment; David Cameron making Grant Shapps Party Chairman or Maggie Thatcher making Harvey Procter Chief Whip?
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Media and Miliband can whinge all they want. The 121 debate definitely will not happen. Cameron ain't changing his mind.
As I said before this only matters to the media and politicos. General population doesn't care 2 hoots.
I did rather like the chants at Raheem Stirling when he was laying on the grass of "He's so tired, so f***ing tired...." etc. Very droll!
Perhaps the Welsh PBers might have an opinion but Ladbrokes are offering Evens on PC being below 3.5 MPs after the election.
Relevant seats:
Dwyfor - PC 22% lead over Con
Carmarthen E - PC 10% over Lab
Arfon - PC 6% lead over Lab
Ceredigon - LD 22% lead over PC
Ynys Mon - Lab 7% lead over PC
Llanelli - Lab 12% lead over PC
So does anyone expect PC to make gains ?
I see no evidence myself.
This presumably means Labour will just about stave off crossover in the ELBOW this week?
And even if a female physio etc is around, its still the opposing players and fans who get stick not them.
Is that ok?
This ain't going away
They didn't look right and now we have confirmation.
Best guess true position = Lab lead in range 0.8% to 1.0%.
http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/topic/84328-nfl’s-jacksonville-jaguars-cheerleaders-the-palace-game/
At one point we used to have our own cheerleaders: the foxy ladies. They were not a patch on the septics.
Ceredigion is atleast slightly in play purely by virtue of being a LibDem seat that isn't Orkney & Shetland or Westmorland & Lonsdale.
The underlying hatred of football fans is based on their wwc association.
One group towards whom bigoted hatred is always encouraged.
I thought Con had maybe crossed into the lead over the past week, say 1% ahead of Lab but maybe we're still basically at "neck and neck"?
Wibbly, wobbly Tory bottoms...
Referendum on EU. NOW!
Osborne has to go.
That Michael Crick really is a...
That's pathetic.
Bully boy Dave will get a pasting from Farage if these debates go ahead. Con 26% UKIP 20% at GE.
Do you understand betting odds ?
Leicester fans at least have insight...
Shall I put up my AV thread?
"There's only one Boris Johnson"
This was in the aftermath of that Spectator article on Liverpool/Ken Bigley
In fact, I think that dealing with the kind of sexism that makes it ok for football fans to abuse women might help us deal with the disgusting abuses.
AV thread tomorrow would be great timing.
Just for you, I''ll put back the AV thread until Sunday.
They should have put Sebastian Fox on instead.
I have ruled out pizza as will be having a massive free one on Tuesday!!!
I have spent my birthday card budget for 6/3/15 unfortunately
Tory press like Tories shocker?
Not when there is an election coming up.
On the subject of the cheerleaders - do they get abuse at American Football games? It would be interesting to know. Do Rugby League fans or Rugby Union fans abuse female physios? In my experience - not, but I'm a bit out of date.
There seems to be one word missing when it comes to these incidents - 'respect'. The abusers clearly have none, nor any self control. In terms of all kinds of abuse the absence of respect and of self control seems quite important to me.
Guido Fawkes ✔ @GuidoFawkes
.@campbellclaret on Cameron today: "pathetic... morally cowardly"
In 2001: "The UK is not electing a president"
http://order-order.com/2015/03/05/alastair-campbell-on-tv-debates-then-and-now/ …
'An amazing idea that Michael Green could go on Newsnight selling something barely credible and look "evasive".
They should have put Sebastian Fox on instead.'
How about Chuka Harrison?
Con 1097 Lab 839 Green 121 LD 79
And if so does that get you any sort of unofficial title corresponding to 'Father of the House' or 'Baby of the House' ?
Well. It is fine and dandy if...
it's an interesting question. self-control is certainly lesser inside a football crowd. maybe that's why young lads like to go, to a certain degree. Even speaking personally, I've found myself using words in front of my father at a stoke match that I would never dream of using in front of him in any other context.
As I remember the stoke city slickers weren't abused. just met with puzzlement or indifference. Like the appearance of a burger van at the ballet
Any value here?
Cowardly Cameron did it in less than 14 hours (about 5)
Debates at PMQs became single debate with at least 7 parties before the Manifestos are out or nothing within 5 hours.
One day it might improve, might be a long way out.
Plane Crashes
... Actor Seriously Injured
http://www.tmz.com/2015/03/05/harrison-ford-plane-crash-landing-golf-course-santa-monica/
Hopefully Imran will get the "community leaders" onside. Praying there is no Respect candidate tbh.
Relying on the unpopularity of the Lib Dems up in northern cities to see him home rather than any particular Labour brilliance.
"Any suggestions for what I should do for the morning thread?"
How about 'Which was the more sinister appointment; David Cameron making Grant Shapps Party Chairman or Maggie Thatcher making Harvey Procter Chief Whip?