So I've not actually watched the BBC UKIP program. Don't know if I could stand watching it to be honest (I get the impression it'll be like watching the office, pretty cringeworthy).
Don't waste your time.
It was appalling. Though I did feel sorry for the Kipper Press Officer.
Yeah, I just saw the still where she had her head in her hands. What possessed the councillor to make those remarks with a bloody camera there?
Iceland are surprisingly successful, despite being hated and mocked in equal measure by the metro elite as the chavs supermarket. But growing across the country and are teflon like when it comes to bad PR....even the horse meat scandal, they ended up selling more burgers than they ever had and somehow came out of that with zero damage to their long term future.
The fact that there are UKIP voters and Labour voters is depressing testament to the fact that we share our country with a large minority of people who are morally ugly and morally incompetent.
That kind of attitude very neatly demonstrates why the Conservatives probably can't win an overall majority again. The massive sense of entitlement, combined with the belief that non-Conservative voters are stupid or malevolent.
Because, of course, Mr Bond speaks for all Conservatives everywhere.
Fair enough but what does that say about attitudes to ukip based on the comments of one no mark councillor? We see enough broad stroke / judgemental posts of that type
A councilor is an elected representative of the party. It says a lot about their screening process, and the reaction of the hierarchy to some of the comments is significant as well (it can be interpreted as condoning, albeit not endorsing, the remarks).
But, as far as I know Bond_James_Bond is a no-nothing poster on a website and what he says is as relevant to the Conservative Party as what I say on here.
Splitting hairs, fair enough
Not really.
As far as I know Bond's closest connection to the Tories is that he (may) vote for them.
An elected official is a representative of the party. If an elected official is a racist then it clearly doesn't mean the party is racist, or any other members are racist.
However, you can deduce something about the party's structures and processes.
Personally I think that the outrage bus is disturbingly powerful in this country. People are jerks, but it doesn't mean that they should get sacked necessarily.
The husband and wife press officer team came across well in the show I thought. You could see the mortification on their faces as Rozanne was speaking, like a slow motion car crash.
Iceland are surprisingly successful, despite being hated and mocked in equal measure by the metro elite as the chavs supermarket. But growing across the country and are teflon like when it comes to bad PR....even the horse meat scandal, they ended up selling more burgers than they ever had and somehow came out of that with zero damage to their long term future.
The fact that there are UKIP voters and Labour voters is depressing testament to the fact that we share our country with a large minority of people who are morally ugly and morally incompetent.
That kind of attitude very neatly demonstrates why the Conservatives probably can't win an overall majority again. The massive sense of entitlement, combined with the belief that non-Conservative voters are stupid or malevolent.
Because, of course, Mr Bond speaks for all Conservatives everywhere.
Fair enough but what does that say about attitudes to ukip based on the comments of one no mark councillor? We see enough broad stroke / judgemental posts of that type
A councilor is an elected representative of the party. It says a lot about their screening process, and the reaction of the hierarchy to some of the comments is significant as well (it can be interpreted as condoning, albeit not endorsing, the remarks).
But, as far as I know Bond_James_Bond is a no-nothing poster on a website and what he says is as relevant to the Conservative Party as what I say on here.
Splitting hairs, fair enough
Not really.
As far as I know Bond's closest connection to the Tories is that he (may) vote for them.
An elected official is a representative of the party. If an elected official is a racist then it clearly doesn't mean the party is racist, or any other members are racist.
However, you can deduce something about the party's structures and processes.
Personally I think that the outrage bus is disturbingly powerful in this country. People are jerks, but it doesn't mean that they should get sacked necessarily.
So I've not actually watched the BBC UKIP program. Don't know if I could stand watching it to be honest (I get the impression it'll be like watching the office, pretty cringeworthy).
Don't waste your time.
It was appalling. Though I did feel sorry for the Kipper Press Officer.
Yeah, I just saw the still where she had her head in her hands. What possessed the councillor to make those remarks with a bloody camera there?
She genuinely thinks her comments aren't racist or even at least likely to offend.
Nor is it uncommon for Kippers to accuse everyone else of lying, and Labour supporters to accuse Conservatives of hating the disabled or caring only for the rich.
Well, well. On balance, I have to say any Conservative sense of entitlement (as you call it) is the least unattractive of the three. It is at least based on a wish to be judged by the positive achievements of this Conservative-led government.
So I've not actually watched the BBC UKIP program. Don't know if I could stand watching it to be honest (I get the impression it'll be like watching the office, pretty cringeworthy).
Don't waste your time.
It was appalling. Though I did feel sorry for the Kipper Press Officer.
Yeah, I just saw the still where she had her head in her hands. What possessed the councillor to make those remarks with a bloody camera there?
She genuinely thinks her comments aren't racist or even at least likely to offend.
That seems to be genuinely true. I find her disturbing not because Ukip didn't immediately pick up on her racist views (which she may have kept to herself) but because she got through their batshit-craziness filters.
Iceland are surprisingly successful, despite being hated and mocked in equal measure by the metro elite as the chavs supermarket. But growing across the country and are teflon like when it comes to bad PR....even the horse meat scandal, they ended up selling more burgers than they ever had and somehow came out of that with zero damage to their long term future.
The fact that there are UKIP voters and Labour voters is depressing testament to the fact that we share our country with a large minority of people who are morally ugly and morally incompetent.
That kind of attitude very neatly demonstrates why the Conservatives probably can't win an overall majority again. The massive sense of entitlement, combined with the belief that non-Conservative voters are stupid or malevolent.
Because, of course, Mr Bond speaks for all Conservatives everywhere.
Fair enough but what does that say about attitudes to ukip based on the comments of one no mark councillor? We see enough broad stroke / judgemental posts of that type
A councilor is an elected representative of the party. It says a lot about their screening process, and the reaction of the hierarchy to some of the comments is significant as well (it can be interpreted as condoning, albeit not endorsing, the remarks).
But, as far as I know Bond_James_Bond is a no-nothing poster on a website and what he says is as relevant to the Conservative Party as what I say on here.
Splitting hairs, fair enough
Personally I think that the outrage bus is disturbingly powerful in this country. People are jerks, but it doesn't mean that they should get sacked necessarily.
Speaking personnally, I find the outrage cycle to be tedious and self-defeating, as I find myself becoming insensitised to the indiscretions of our politicians/celebrities/chealsea fans/whoever.
The main impact now is to feed a general feeling of cynicism, ennui and misanthropy, rather than any specific antipathy towards the individual(s) concerned. Sad, isn't it.
Oh God. Are Comres going to be doing a daily poll ?
I read that as a monthly poll for a daily newspaper.
I think they're doing more than that ("extensive provision of polling throughout the General Election campaign period") but maintaining their existing monthly series as part of that.
"More details on plans for polling during the election campaign will follow in the coming weeks."
So I've not actually watched the BBC UKIP program. Don't know if I could stand watching it to be honest (I get the impression it'll be like watching the office, pretty cringeworthy).
Don't waste your time.
It was appalling. Though I did feel sorry for the Kipper Press Officer.
Yeah, I just saw the still where she had her head in her hands. What possessed the councillor to make those remarks with a bloody camera there?
She genuinely thinks her comments aren't racist or even at least likely to offend.
Oh God. Are Comres going to be doing a daily poll ?
I read that as a monthly poll for a daily newspaper.
I think they're doing more than that ("extensive provision of polling throughout the General Election campaign period") but maintaining their existing monthly series as part of that.
"More details on plans for polling during the election campaign will follow in the coming weeks."
Nor is it uncommon for Kippers to accuse everyone else of lying, and Labour supporters to accuse Conservatives of hating the disabled or caring only for the rich.
Well, well. On balance, I have to say any Conservative sense of entitlement (as you call it) is the least unattractive of the three. It is at least based on a wish to be judged by the positive achievements of this Conservative-led government.
Conservative chooses the three options and thinks the conservatives are the best, shocker!
@Anorak It is a common feeling amongst many, that it is austerity for the masses, and nest feathering for the privileged few. Unfortunately, the disconnect it engenders among voters means it empowers those few even more.
Nor is it uncommon for Kippers to accuse everyone else of lying, and Labour supporters to accuse Conservatives of hating the disabled or caring only for the rich.
Well, well. On balance, I have to say any Conservative sense of entitlement (as you call it) is the least unattractive of the three. It is at least based on a wish to be judged by the positive achievements of this Conservative-led government.
I think dear old Richard may have forgotten to mention the all too common accusation on here from our Tory chums that Labour supporters hate this country and its history, that Labour deliberately "imported" immigrants to up its vote, that Labour voters believe others should pay for their "sweeties", and so on.
@Anorak It is a common feeling amongst many, that it is austerity for the masses, and nest feathering for the privileged few. Unfortunately, the disconnect it engenders among voters means it empowers those few even more.
I thinks that's right; it gets to the point where you stop caring about any differentiation amongst the "priviliged few".
I think dear old Richard may have forgotten to mention the all too common accusation on here from our Tory chums that Labour supporters hate this country and its history, that Labour deliberately "imported" immigrants to up its vote, that Labour voters believe others should pay for their "sweeties", and so on.
Fair point, but the difference is that you'll be hard pressed to find a senior Conservataive making such remarks. You'll have no difficulty whatsoever finding senior Labour (and indeed LibDem) politicians making personalised and offensive comments about Conservatives and their motives.
Iceland are surprisingly successful, despite being hated and mocked in equal measure by the metro elite as the chavs supermarket. But growing across the country and are teflon like when it comes to bad PR....even the horse meat scandal, they ended up selling more burgers than they ever had and somehow came out of that with zero damage to their long term future.
The fact that there are UKIP voters and Labour voters is depressing testament to the fact that we share our country with a large minority of people who are morally ugly and morally incompetent.
That kind of attitude very neatly demonstrates why the Conservatives probably can't win an overall majority again. The massive sense of entitlement, combined with the belief that non-Conservative voters are stupid or malevolent.
Because, of course, Mr Bond speaks for all Conservatives everywhere.
Fair enough but what does that say about attitudes to ukip based on the comments of one no mark councillor? We see enough broad stroke / judgemental posts of that type
A councilor is an elected representative of the party. It says a lot about their screening process, and the reaction of the hierarchy to some of the comments is significant as well (it can be interpreted as condoning, albeit not endorsing, the remarks).
But, as far as I know Bond_James_Bond is a no-nothing poster on a website and what he says is as relevant to the Conservative Party as what I say on here.
Splitting hairs, fair enough
Not really.
As far as I know Bond's closest connection to the Tories is that he (may) vote for them.
An elected official is a representative of the party. If an elected official is a racist then it clearly doesn't mean the party is racist, or any other members are racist.
However, you can deduce something about the party's structures and processes.
Personally I think that the outrage bus is disturbingly powerful in this country. People are jerks, but it doesn't mean that they should get sacked necessarily.
Aidan Burley. Deduce away.
My deduction is that Aidan Burley is an idiot, not a racist.
If you tried to screen out idiots from the political process things might be a lot quieter in Westminster...
Iceland are surprisingly successful, despite being hated and mocked in equal measure by the metro elite as the chavs supermarket. But growing across the country and are teflon like when it comes to bad PR....even the horse meat scandal, they ended up selling more burgers than they ever had and somehow came out of that with zero damage to their long term future.
The fact that there are UKIP voters and Labour voters is depressing testament to the fact that we share our country with a large minority of people who are morally ugly and morally incompetent.
That kind of attitude very neatly demonstrates why the Conservatives probably can't win an overall majority again. The massive sense of entitlement, combined with the belief that non-Conservative voters are stupid or malevolent.
Because, of course, Mr Bond speaks for all Conservatives everywhere.
Fair enough but what does that say about attitudes to ukip based on the comments of one no mark councillor? We see enough broad stroke / judgemental posts of that type
A councilor is an elected representative of the party. It says a lot about their screening process, and the reaction of the hierarchy to some of the comments is significant as well (it can be interpreted as condoning, albeit not endorsing, the remarks).
But, as far as I know Bond_James_Bond is a no-nothing poster on a website and what he says is as relevant to the Conservative Party as what I say on here.
Splitting hairs, fair enough
Personally I think that the outrage bus is disturbingly powerful in this country. People are jerks, but it doesn't mean that they should get sacked necessarily.
Speaking personnally, I find the outrage cycle to be tedious and self-defeating, as I find myself becoming insensitised to the indiscretions of our politicians/celebrities/chealsea fans/whoever.
The main impact now is to feed a general feeling of cynicism, ennui and misanthropy, rather than any specific antipathy towards the individual(s) concerned. Sad, isn't it.
There's that element, certainly.
But once Twitter focuses on something - and it is entirely capricious - then natural justice and due process rapidly falls by the wayside. That is a serious issue.
I don't see how Labour have a leg to stand on criticising the lack of prosecution. It seems they were quite happy for HMRC to work on the basis of offering people no prosecution if they paid.
Both parties are to blame for the unconscionable way HMRC deals with evasion.
If you evade tax, you should have to repay the tax and pay penalties AND go to jail. If you don't repay you go to jail for longer (which as I understand it is how this would be dealt with under other jurisdictions).
I don't see how Labour have a leg to stand on criticising the lack of prosecution. It seems they were quite happy for HMRC to work on the basis of offering people no prosecution if they paid.
Both parties are to blame for the unconscionable way HMRC deals with evasion.
If you evade tax, you should have to repay the tax and pay penalties AND go to jail. If you don't repay you go to jail for longer (which as I understand it is how this would be dealt with under other jurisdictions).
I'd probably give a discount for an early settlement as well.
But do we know how many of the HSBC people were evading rather than avoiding tax?
@IsabelHardman: Labour MPs could do better job of pretending to look enthused if they want us to conclude they think Balls is doing a good job with this qu
Iceland are surprisingly successful, despite being hated and mocked in equal measure by the metro elite as the chavs supermarket. But growing across the country and are teflon like when it comes to bad PR....even the horse meat scandal, they ended up selling more burgers than they ever had and somehow came out of that with zero damage to their long term future.
The fact that there are UKIP voters and Labour voters is depressing testament to the fact that we share our country with a large minority of people who are morally ugly and morally incompetent.
That kind of attitude very neatly demonstrates why the Conservatives probably can't win an overall majority again. The massive sense of entitlement, combined with the belief that non-Conservative voters are stupid or malevolent.
Because, of course, Mr Bond speaks for all Conservatives everywhere.
Fair enough but what does that say about attitudes to ukip based on the comments of one no mark councillor? We see enough broad stroke / judgemental posts of that type
A councilor is an elected representative of the party. It says a lot about their screening process, and the reaction of the hierarchy to some of the comments is significant as well (it can be interpreted as condoning, albeit not endorsing, the remarks).
But, as far as I know Bond_James_Bond is a no-nothing poster on a website and what he says is as relevant to the Conservative Party as what I say on here.
Splitting hairs, fair enough
Personally I think that the outrage bus is disturbingly powerful in this country. People are jerks, but it doesn't mean that they should get sacked necessarily.
Speaking personnally, I find the outrage cycle to be tedious and self-defeating, as I find myself becoming insensitised to the indiscretions of our politicians/celebrities/chealsea fans/whoever.
The main impact now is to feed a general feeling of cynicism, ennui and misanthropy, rather than any specific antipathy towards the individual(s) concerned. Sad, isn't it.
I agree it is tedious. Especially the cases where some special interest group picks up on a poor use of language by some minor politico and makes them issue a grovelling apology. I wish someone would have the courage to say "get a life and stop whining about trivia" to these people
I think dear old Richard may have forgotten to mention the all too common accusation on here from our Tory chums that Labour supporters hate this country and its history, that Labour deliberately "imported" immigrants to up its vote, that Labour voters believe others should pay for their "sweeties", and so on.
Fair point, but the difference is that you'll be hard pressed to find a senior Conservataive making such remarks. You'll have no difficulty whatsoever finding senior Labour (and indeed LibDem) politicians making personalised and offensive comments about Conservatives and their motives.
I think dear old Richard may have forgotten to mention the all too common accusation on here from our Tory chums that Labour supporters hate this country and its history, that Labour deliberately "imported" immigrants to up its vote, that Labour voters believe others should pay for their "sweeties", and so on.
Fair point, but the difference is that you'll be hard pressed to find a senior Conservataive making such remarks. You'll have no difficulty whatsoever finding senior Labour (and indeed LibDem) politicians making personalised and offensive comments about Conservatives and their motives.
Ic that with zero damage to their long term future.
The fact that there are UKIP voters and Labour voters is depressing testament to the fact that we share our country with a large minority of people who are morally ugly and morally incompetent.
That kind of attitude very neatly demonstrates why the Conservatives probably can't win an overall majority again. The massive sense of entitlement, combined with the belief that non-Conservative voters are stupid or malevolent.
Because, of course, Mr Bond speaks for all Conservatives everywhere.
Fair enough but what does that say about attitudes to ukip based on the comments of one no mark councillor? We see enough broad stroke / judgemental posts of that type
A councilor is an elected representative of the party. It says a lot about their screening process, and the reaction of the hierarchy to some of the comments is significant as well (it can be interpreted as condoning, albeit not endorsing, the remarks).
But, as far as I know Bond_James_Bond is a no-nothing poster on a website and what he says is as relevant to the Conservative Party as what I say on here.
Splitting hairs, fair enough
Not really.
As far as I know Bond's closest connection to the Tories is that he (may) vote for them.
An elected official is a representative of the party. If an elected official is a racist then it clearly doesn't mean the party is racist, or any other members are racist.
However, you can deduce something about the party's structures and processes.
Personally I think that the outrage bus is disturbingly powerful in this country. People are jerks, but it doesn't mean that they should get sacked necessarily.
Aidan Burley. Deduce away.
My deduction is that Aidan Burley is an idiot, not a racist.
If you tried to screen out idiots from the political process things might be a lot quieter in Westminster...
Most racism is just idiocy. Doesn't stop it being racism. And Burley clearly thought it was anti-semitic because he apologised to the Jewish Chronicle.
Both Jack Straw and Malcolm Rifkind were lawyers before they entered Parliament.
People trained to get guilty people off the hook running the country equals why it's all about spinning to stay in power rather than doing the right thing
Iceland are surprisingly successful, despite being hated and mocked in equal measure by the metro elite as the chavs supermarket. But growing across the country and are teflon like when it comes to bad PR....even the horse meat scandal, they ended up selling more burgers than they ever had and somehow came out of that with zero damage to their long term future.
The fact that there are UKIP voters and Labour voters is depressing testament to the fact that we share our country with a large minority of people who are morally ugly and morally incompetent.
That kind of attitude very neatly demonstrates why the Conservatives probably can't win an overall majority again. The massive sense of entitlement, combined with the belief that non-Conservative voters are stupid or malevolent.
Because, of course, Mr Bond speaks for all Conservatives everywhere.
Fair enough but what does that say about attitudes to ukip based on the comments of one no mark councillor? We see enough broad stroke / judgemental posts of that type
A councilor is an elected representative of the party. It says a lot about their screening process, and the reaction of the hierarchy to some of the comments is significant as well (it can be interpreted as condoning, albeit not endorsing, the remarks).
But, as far as I know Bond_James_Bond is a no-nothing poster on a website and what he says is as relevant to the Conservative Party as what I say on here.
What is perhaps more relevant is that the Tories still have well established racists and homophobes as councillors even after they have been exposed. At least UKIP get rid of them when they are uncovered whilst the Tories defend them and allow them to continue in office under the Tory banner.
Which is not an example of what I said you wouldn't find.
As for Cameron's remark itself, it was largely true in 2006, was it not? I thought the whole point about UKIP was that it had changed and become much more professional and serious since then. People like Douglas Carswell, or our own Sean Fear, weren't involved with UKIP as it then was. Even UKIP's own leader seems to agree, calling UKIP's 2010 manifesto 'drivel'.
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft · 3 minutes ago Ashcroft National Poll, 20-22 Feb: CON 32%, LAB 36%, LDEM 7%, UKIP 11%, GRN 8%. Full details on @ConHome, 4pm.
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft · 3 minutes ago Ashcroft National Poll, 20-22 Feb: CON 32%, LAB 36%, LDEM 7%, UKIP 11%, GRN 8%. Full details on @ConHome, 4pm.
Nor is it uncommon for Kippers to accuse everyone else of lying, and Labour supporters to accuse Conservatives of hating the disabled or caring only for the rich.
Well, well. On balance, I have to say any Conservative sense of entitlement (as you call it) is the least unattractive of the three. It is at least based on a wish to be judged by the positive achievements of this Conservative-led government.
I think dear old Richard may have forgotten to mention the all too common accusation on here from our Tory chums that Labour supporters hate this country and its history, that Labour deliberately "imported" immigrants to up its vote, that Labour voters believe others should pay for their "sweeties", and so on.
to be fair Southam I think one of Labours senior people admitted that was exactly what they had done re immigration (and to rub the right's "nose in it").
Both Jack Straw and Malcolm Rifkind were lawyers before they entered Parliament.
People trained to get guilty people off the hook running the country equals why it's all about spinning to stay in power rather than doing the right thing
Makes me wonder how much C4 and the Telegraph will be paying into the Straw/Rifkind pension funds?
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As far as I know Bond's closest connection to the Tories is that he (may) vote for them.
An elected official is a representative of the party. If an elected official is a racist then it clearly doesn't mean the party is racist, or any other members are racist.
However, you can deduce something about the party's structures and processes.
Personally I think that the outrage bus is disturbingly powerful in this country. People are jerks, but it doesn't mean that they should get sacked necessarily.
@Andrew_ComRes: ComRes monthly daily newspaper voting intention series, running since 2006, will continue in partnership with @DailyMailUK
The husband and wife press officer team came across well in the show I thought. You could see the mortification on their faces as Rozanne was speaking, like a slow motion car crash.
One of those days when it looks delightful but is bloody cold.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/31588224
Well, well. On balance, I have to say any Conservative sense of entitlement (as you call it) is the least unattractive of the three. It is at least based on a wish to be judged by the positive achievements of this Conservative-led government.
The main impact now is to feed a general feeling of cynicism, ennui and misanthropy, rather than any specific antipathy towards the individual(s) concerned. Sad, isn't it.
"More details on plans for polling during the election campaign will follow in the coming weeks."
I'm not sure I could cope with that.
It is a common feeling amongst many, that it is austerity for the masses, and nest feathering for the privileged few.
Unfortunately, the disconnect it engenders among voters means it empowers those few even more.
Ofcom to probe C4 programme on UKIP for breach of rules on "offensive material, misleadingness and due impartiality".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02kn406
If you tried to screen out idiots from the political process things might be a lot quieter in Westminster...
Ed Balls asks for a statement on the HSBC tax evasion scandal.
John Bercow, the Speaker, says he does not want to be pedantic, but the agreed wording of the urgent question related to the “tax avoidance” scandal.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2015/feb/23/jack-straw-and-malcolm-rifkind-respond-to-cash-for-access-allegations-politics-live-blog#block-54eb18e7e4b0396c3e2b1dd1
But once Twitter focuses on something - and it is entirely capricious - then natural justice and due process rapidly falls by the wayside. That is a serious issue.
It doesn't seem to command very much respect even though it's stuffed with lawyers and political careerists at present.
Although as a lawyer...
Both parties are to blame for the unconscionable way HMRC deals with evasion.
If you evade tax, you should have to repay the tax and pay penalties AND go to jail. If you don't repay you go to jail for longer (which as I understand it is how this would be dealt with under other jurisdictions).
But do we know how many of the HSBC people were evading rather than avoiding tax?
"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers."
Henry The Sixth, Part 2 Act 4, scene 2, 71–78
Under the law, one.
Under scrutiny of the evidence, and making an estimation, 95% according to the French.
http://www.lbc.co.uk/david-cameron-ukip-fruitcakes-and-loonies-63456
Con 32 (+2) Lab 36 (+5) LD 7 (-2) UKIP 11 (-5) Greens 8 (nc)
Highest Lab score with Lord A since July, Lowest ever UKIP score with the Good Lord
Clear Outlier/Gold Standard/Lead Standard/Peak Kipper
Delete as appropriate
As for Cameron's remark itself, it was largely true in 2006, was it not? I thought the whole point about UKIP was that it had changed and become much more professional and serious since then. People like Douglas Carswell, or our own Sean Fear, weren't involved with UKIP as it then was. Even UKIP's own leader seems to agree, calling UKIP's 2010 manifesto 'drivel'.
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft · 3 minutes ago
Ashcroft National Poll, 20-22 Feb: CON 32%, LAB 36%, LDEM 7%, UKIP 11%, GRN 8%. Full details on @ConHome, 4pm.
Entertaining, but hard to take entirely seriously when you can predict a massive bounce/slump one way or the other.