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  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Neil said:

    Iirc there's a record 7 seat lead from Sporting today for the Tories on a mid-spread of 283 compared with Labour's 276 ..... await the "that can't be right" yelps from the lefties.


    Surely all punters appreciate that it's not a matter of right / wrong but value / not value?
    If you want to keep the bet the whole way, yes. But we were being assured that 2.0 on Labour was good value only a few weeks ago, and those positions are substantially under water at present.
    Value bets can drift though, and not every shortener is value
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    How long have you posted on pbc? Long enough to know how to wind up some of our regulars I guess.

    Too long, perhaps
  • SunnyJimSunnyJim Posts: 1,106
    Betting Post:

    1420 Ayr Wildest Dreams 125-1 ew (VC,PP)
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    taffys said:

    Surely all punters appreciate that it's not a matter of right / wrong but value / not value?

    The whole concept of 'value' in betting is sheer b8llocks. A bet is only value if it wins.

    You have to place the bet before you know the outcome, sadly.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,041
    Smarmeron said:

    @RobD
    When did Malcolm get suspended? Jack removed himself last night i think?

    Very recently, I think. I was asleep so am only catching up on things.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited February 2015
    isam said:

    Neil said:

    Iirc there's a record 7 seat lead from Sporting today for the Tories on a mid-spread of 283 compared with Labour's 276 ..... await the "that can't be right" yelps from the lefties.


    Surely all punters appreciate that it's not a matter of right / wrong but value / not value?
    If you want to keep the bet the whole way, yes. But we were being assured that 2.0 on Labour was good value only a few weeks ago, and those positions are substantially under water at present.
    Value bets can drift though, and not every shortener is value
    Of course. But the argument seems to be "this is just the Tory backers shortening the price, like always." Well, if you knew that was going to happen, why not wait until afterwards to back the other side?!
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    SunnyJim said:

    Betting Post:

    1420 Ayr Wildest Dreams 125-1 ew (VC,PP)

    I'm sure everyone is piling in after last week's result in Clonmel!
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @RobD
    Yes, it is the way the BBC website lists an ongoing story, the latest developments take the top slot.
  • SunnyJim said:

    Betting Post:

    1420 Ayr Wildest Dreams 125-1 ew (VC,PP)

    Heh. 100-1 just not big enough for you these days? Thanks for the tip :-)
  • Mr. Neil, quite! I normally avoid horse bets, but have backed with Ladbrokes (101), each way. [No VC/PP accounts].
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    Ishmael_X said:

    taffys said:

    Surely all punters appreciate that it's not a matter of right / wrong but value / not value?

    The whole concept of 'value' in betting is sheer b8llocks. A bet is only value if it wins.

    You have to place the bet before you know the outcome, sadly.
    Not always
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,041
    Just noticed an HSBC ad on PB. OGH/TSE - care to comment on your editorial policy?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    Unless the PDL in Italy reforms...
  • @SunnyJim NB 80/1 e/w betting without the favourite at PP, probably gives you 4th place as well.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @RobD
    PB motto, money trumps morality? :)
  • SunnyJimSunnyJim Posts: 1,106

    SunnyJim said:

    Betting Post:

    1420 Ayr Wildest Dreams 125-1 ew (VC,PP)

    Heh. 100-1 just not big enough for you these days? Thanks for the tip :-)

    The place prices are bent out of shape on this one (like the one at Clonmel). You're getting over double the BF place price with the regular bookies and pretty much parity on the win so you could lay most of it back off if you wished.

    Sort of feeds in to the value debate that was going on earlier, i'm happy knowing that over the long term I will be profitable by being on the right side of the price regularly even if a go on a losing streak.

  • I see World at One says, "One former minister we spoke to this morning approached by Ch4/Telegraph told us that "it appeared dodgy from the outset."

    Why can't we be told who that was? It would do him or her nothing but good.

    Depends whether they thought it was dodgy because they were above morally questionable grubbing for dosh, or because they thought it was a sting with no actual cash being offered.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    It's gone Global...

    @michaelsavage: Do watch this amazing John Oliver take down of Labour's Pink Bus gaffe. #PinkBus: http://t.co/01daHHUATq
  • SunnyJim said:

    SunnyJim said:

    Betting Post:

    1420 Ayr Wildest Dreams 125-1 ew (VC,PP)

    Heh. 100-1 just not big enough for you these days? Thanks for the tip :-)

    The place prices are bent out of shape on this one (like the one at Clonmel). You're getting over double the BF place price with the regular bookies and pretty much parity on the win so you could lay most of it back off if you wished.

    Sort of feeds in to the value debate that was going on earlier, i'm happy knowing that over the long term I will be profitable by being on the right side of the price regularly even if a go on a losing streak.

    Yes, it's obviously a bad e-w race. But I suspect there's a little more to your method than that.

    NB those betting without favourites markets can be goldmines on these races - sometimes the 2nd fav is far too big, sometimes the outsiders aren't cut enough. Big differences between firms.
  • SunnyJim said:

    Betting Post:

    1420 Ayr Wildest Dreams 125-1 ew (VC,PP)

    Many thanks again for your tip last week.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Scott_P said:

    @callummay: Just remembered @Aiannucci's Drinking Club of Jack Straw Fans. 16'20" into this from 1995. It's amazing. http://t.co/BhvKLeAhyx

    Fantastic stuff, Iannucci has an amazing record of quality satirical programming. It's almost a shame Alan Partridge proved so successful as it basically took him away from political satire for the best part of 10 years. The nation's loss.

    At least Season Four of Veep is back 12th April.
  • RobD said:

    Just noticed an HSBC ad on PB. OGH/TSE - care to comment on your editorial policy?

    The ads are based on your browsing history.

    The only ad we are responsible for is the Sporting Index advert on the top right hand side.
  • Is the Ayr race live on telly at all?

    I don't think At the races are showing it.

    Does this mean a visit to the Paddy Power shop in Piccadilly Gardens.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,041

    RobD said:

    Just noticed an HSBC ad on PB. OGH/TSE - care to comment on your editorial policy?

    The ads are based on your browsing history.

    The only ad we are responsible for is the Sporting Index advert on the top right hand side.
    Sounds like a get out clause to me ;)
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited February 2015

    SunnyJim said:

    SunnyJim said:

    Betting Post:

    1420 Ayr Wildest Dreams 125-1 ew (VC,PP)

    Heh. 100-1 just not big enough for you these days? Thanks for the tip :-)

    The place prices are bent out of shape on this one (like the one at Clonmel). You're getting over double the BF place price with the regular bookies and pretty much parity on the win so you could lay most of it back off if you wished.

    Sort of feeds in to the value debate that was going on earlier, i'm happy knowing that over the long term I will be profitable by being on the right side of the price regularly even if a go on a losing streak.

    Yes, it's obviously a bad e-w race. But I suspect there's a little more to your method than that.

    NB those betting without favourites markets can be goldmines on these races - sometimes the 2nd fav is far too big, sometimes the outsiders aren't cut enough. Big differences between firms.
    Place arbs , account closers

    If I had any!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Is the Ayr race live on telly at all?

    I don't think At the races are showing it.

    Does this mean a visit to the Paddy Power shop in Piccadilly Gardens.

    BetVictor streaming it I think
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Ed Balls asking an UQ about tax avoidance in the HoC at around 3:30. What could possibly go wrong...
  • isam said:

    SunnyJim said:

    SunnyJim said:

    Betting Post:

    1420 Ayr Wildest Dreams 125-1 ew (VC,PP)

    Heh. 100-1 just not big enough for you these days? Thanks for the tip :-)

    The place prices are bent out of shape on this one (like the one at Clonmel). You're getting over double the BF place price with the regular bookies and pretty much parity on the win so you could lay most of it back off if you wished.

    Sort of feeds in to the value debate that was going on earlier, i'm happy knowing that over the long term I will be profitable by being on the right side of the price regularly even if a go on a losing streak.

    Yes, it's obviously a bad e-w race. But I suspect there's a little more to your method than that.

    NB those betting without favourites markets can be goldmines on these races - sometimes the 2nd fav is far too big, sometimes the outsiders aren't cut enough. Big differences between firms.
    Place arbs , account closers

    If I had any!
    Yes - other posters should note that backing in bad e/w races is a very quick way to get your accounts cut.
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Just noticed an HSBC ad on PB. OGH/TSE - care to comment on your editorial policy?

    The ads are based on your browsing history.

    The only ad we are responsible for is the Sporting Index advert on the top right hand side.
    Sounds like a get out clause to me ;)
    A few years ago, one poster, complained about the adverts on PB because they were about Russian Brides/Escorts.

    A few people pointed out that the adverts you see on PB is based on your own browsing history.

    That poster went very quiet after that.
  • Dair said:

    Indigo said:

    antifrank said:

    Charles said:

    antifrank said:

    That's not such a stupid position. Constitutional change in many countries, including Australia and the USA, requires more than just a simple majority. By any measure, leaving the EU would be a constitutional change.

    Or if we were more imaginative, perhaps we could have a hokey-cokey settlement with the EU, with Scotland in and other parts of the UK out.
    Although it does give a veto to 4% of the voters (or arguably 2%+1). Hardly democratic.
    We are living in a country that is slowly and asymmetrically federalising. We need to think through how we protect the interests of the smaller parts of that emerging federation if it is to survive. Perhaps the Australian system of needing a national majority and a majority in a majority of the component parts might work.
    I cant see that working, its too asymmetrically to feel fair to England.

    3.6m Scots + 1.2m Northern Irish + 1.4m Welsh = 6.2m voters agaist
    39.4m England voters are in favor

    and an idea is dropped ?
    You could break England into constituent regions, say: Londonistan, Greater Sussex, Wessex, Cornwall, Mercia, East Anglia, Lancashire, Yorkshire and Northumbria.

    Then England would have nine separate votes in the Federal UK.
    The problem is that you only really have a viable Northumbria. The only other two subnationalities where that might have popular traction and definable - Cornwall and Cumbria are too small to be viable. The three which might be viable - York, Wessex and Mercia are not definable geographically and most of the rest of England was even more fluid before a concept of England existed.

    The solution is to divide England into four: East and West of Watling Street (ie, the Alfred/Guthrum settlement), but only south of the Humber; then north of the Humber and London. East and West is just as big a divide as North and South in England.
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Just noticed an HSBC ad on PB. OGH/TSE - care to comment on your editorial policy?

    The ads are based on your browsing history.

    The only ad we are responsible for is the Sporting Index advert on the top right hand side.
    Sounds like a get out clause to me ;)
    A few years ago, one poster, complained about the adverts on PB because they were about Russian Brides/Escorts.

    A few people pointed out that the adverts you see on PB is based on your own browsing history.

    That poster went very quiet after that.
    Eastern Ukrainian brides, shurely?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,041

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Just noticed an HSBC ad on PB. OGH/TSE - care to comment on your editorial policy?

    The ads are based on your browsing history.

    The only ad we are responsible for is the Sporting Index advert on the top right hand side.
    Sounds like a get out clause to me ;)
    A few years ago, one poster, complained about the adverts on PB because they were about Russian Brides/Escorts.

    A few people pointed out that the adverts you see on PB is based on your own browsing history.

    That poster went very quiet after that.
    I am now getting ads about LASIK surgery. Strange. I think I have disabled cookies, so it doesn't know where I am browsing, so just serves up random ones.
  • Mr. Eagles, surely Cameron as Waitrose and Farage as Lidl/Aldi is a given?

    Clegg as Tesco, once popular, now easily mocked.

    Miliband = Co-op. Surely?

    Nah, Lidl/Aldi are Johnny Foreigners immigrants from the EU damaging the prospect of the natives.

    Tesco are still the market leaders, so not Clegg
    Miliband would be Budgen.

    Farage would be Mac Fisheries, International, or some other half-baked supermarket not seen since the 1970s.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411

    isam said:

    SunnyJim said:

    SunnyJim said:

    Betting Post:

    1420 Ayr Wildest Dreams 125-1 ew (VC,PP)

    Heh. 100-1 just not big enough for you these days? Thanks for the tip :-)

    The place prices are bent out of shape on this one (like the one at Clonmel). You're getting over double the BF place price with the regular bookies and pretty much parity on the win so you could lay most of it back off if you wished.

    Sort of feeds in to the value debate that was going on earlier, i'm happy knowing that over the long term I will be profitable by being on the right side of the price regularly even if a go on a losing streak.

    Yes, it's obviously a bad e-w race. But I suspect there's a little more to your method than that.

    NB those betting without favourites markets can be goldmines on these races - sometimes the 2nd fav is far too big, sometimes the outsiders aren't cut enough. Big differences between firms.
    Place arbs , account closers

    If I had any!
    Yes - other posters should note that backing in bad e/w races is a very quick way to get your accounts cut.
    Why else would you place a bet if you didn't think it was value ?
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    Scary what algorithms can be used for?

    "Battery power alone can be used to track Android phones"
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-31587621
  • Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    SunnyJim said:

    SunnyJim said:

    Betting Post:

    1420 Ayr Wildest Dreams 125-1 ew (VC,PP)

    Heh. 100-1 just not big enough for you these days? Thanks for the tip :-)

    The place prices are bent out of shape on this one (like the one at Clonmel). You're getting over double the BF place price with the regular bookies and pretty much parity on the win so you could lay most of it back off if you wished.

    Sort of feeds in to the value debate that was going on earlier, i'm happy knowing that over the long term I will be profitable by being on the right side of the price regularly even if a go on a losing streak.

    Yes, it's obviously a bad e-w race. But I suspect there's a little more to your method than that.

    NB those betting without favourites markets can be goldmines on these races - sometimes the 2nd fav is far too big, sometimes the outsiders aren't cut enough. Big differences between firms.
    Place arbs , account closers

    If I had any!
    Yes - other posters should note that backing in bad e/w races is a very quick way to get your accounts cut.
    Why else would you place a bet if you didn't think it was value ?
    Entertainment in its own right.
    To enhance your enjoyment of watching sport.
    The hope of a big win.
    Addiction.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    RobD said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @RobD
    When did Malcolm get suspended? Jack removed himself last night i think?

    Very recently, I think. I was asleep so am only catching up on things.
    Has there been some industrial-scale deletion of posts then?
  • Mr. Observer, bugger that as well.

    Why are some so keen to carve England into shitty little political fiefdoms? To have parity with the Scottish Parliament an English Parliament is required.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    RobD said:

    Just noticed an HSBC ad on PB. OGH/TSE - care to comment on your editorial policy?

    The ads are based on your browsing history.

    The only ad we are responsible for is the Sporting Index advert on the top right hand side.
    But they seem to be aware of the content of what you browse. I got offered solar panels last night which I can only assume resulted from yesterday's AGW borefest on here - so PB can indirectly dictate the content of ads.
  • Anorak said:

    @LordAshcroft: Interesting Ashcroft National Poll today at 4pm plus if our leaders were supermarkets which ones would they be

    Cameron = Waitrose (natch)
    Clegg = M&S (once much-loved, now struggling to retain customers)
    Miliband = Co-op
    Farage = Morrisons (straight-talking, very English)
    Bennett = Holland and Barrett
    Clegg = Netto.
    Netto are no more, they were taken over by Asda
    Indeed.
    Netto are Danish and are returning to the UK in a 'coalition' with Sainsbury's
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Just noticed an HSBC ad on PB. OGH/TSE - care to comment on your editorial policy?

    The ads are based on your browsing history.

    The only ad we are responsible for is the Sporting Index advert on the top right hand side.
    Sounds like a get out clause to me ;)
    A few years ago, one poster, complained about the adverts on PB because they were about Russian Brides/Escorts.

    A few people pointed out that the adverts you see on PB is based on your own browsing history.

    That poster went very quiet after that.
    Eastern Ukrainian brides, shurely?
    I really want to troll the Putin sock puppets now
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,041

    RobD said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @RobD
    When did Malcolm get suspended? Jack removed himself last night i think?

    Very recently, I think. I was asleep so am only catching up on things.
    Has there been some industrial-scale deletion of posts then?
    Not sure what you are getting at? My point was that they were both suspended in the end, so it seems strange Straw has just been jettisoned from the headline entirely (although I concede the point that it is the latest part of the story).
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Just noticed an HSBC ad on PB. OGH/TSE - care to comment on your editorial policy?

    The ads are based on your browsing history.

    The only ad we are responsible for is the Sporting Index advert on the top right hand side.
    Sounds like a get out clause to me ;)
    A few years ago, one poster, complained about the adverts on PB because they were about Russian Brides/Escorts.

    A few people pointed out that the adverts you see on PB is based on your own browsing history.

    That poster went very quiet after that.
    to be fair though, it seems like having an asian IP address and occasionally reading the telegraph online is quite enough to send the philipino bride ads to your browser. I mostly use adblock, though I switch it off for sites that I like...
  • Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    SunnyJim said:

    SunnyJim said:

    Betting Post:

    1420 Ayr Wildest Dreams 125-1 ew (VC,PP)

    Heh. 100-1 just not big enough for you these days? Thanks for the tip :-)

    The place prices are bent out of shape on this one (like the one at Clonmel). You're getting over double the BF place price with the regular bookies and pretty much parity on the win so you could lay most of it back off if you wished.

    Sort of feeds in to the value debate that was going on earlier, i'm happy knowing that over the long term I will be profitable by being on the right side of the price regularly even if a go on a losing streak.

    Yes, it's obviously a bad e-w race. But I suspect there's a little more to your method than that.

    NB those betting without favourites markets can be goldmines on these races - sometimes the 2nd fav is far too big, sometimes the outsiders aren't cut enough. Big differences between firms.
    Place arbs , account closers

    If I had any!
    Yes - other posters should note that backing in bad e/w races is a very quick way to get your accounts cut.
    Why else would you place a bet if you didn't think it was value ?
    Entertainment in its own right.
    To enhance your enjoyment of watching sport.
    The hope of a big win.
    Addiction.
    All of which is to say that most punters are not value-seekers.

    As regards bad each-way races, they are tolerated by the industry [though they do what they can to encourage more even racing] on the basis that having consistent each-way terms is good for business in general.

    But anyone who solely seeks to play in such races is not tolerated.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411

    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    SunnyJim said:

    SunnyJim said:

    Betting Post:

    1420 Ayr Wildest Dreams 125-1 ew (VC,PP)

    Heh. 100-1 just not big enough for you these days? Thanks for the tip :-)

    The place prices are bent out of shape on this one (like the one at Clonmel). You're getting over double the BF place price with the regular bookies and pretty much parity on the win so you could lay most of it back off if you wished.

    Sort of feeds in to the value debate that was going on earlier, i'm happy knowing that over the long term I will be profitable by being on the right side of the price regularly even if a go on a losing streak.

    Yes, it's obviously a bad e-w race. But I suspect there's a little more to your method than that.

    NB those betting without favourites markets can be goldmines on these races - sometimes the 2nd fav is far too big, sometimes the outsiders aren't cut enough. Big differences between firms.
    Place arbs , account closers

    If I had any!
    Yes - other posters should note that backing in bad e/w races is a very quick way to get your accounts cut.
    Why else would you place a bet if you didn't think it was value ?
    Entertainment in its own right.
    To enhance your enjoyment of watching sport.
    The hope of a big win.
    Addiction.
    All of which is to say that most punters are not value-seekers.

    As regards bad each-way races, they are tolerated by the industry [though they do what they can to encourage more even racing] on the basis that having consistent each-way terms is good for business in general.

    But anyone who solely seeks to play in such races is not tolerated.
    Paddy tolerated £1.65 e/w :)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,963
    edited February 2015
    Ishmael_X said:

    RobD said:

    Just noticed an HSBC ad on PB. OGH/TSE - care to comment on your editorial policy?

    The ads are based on your browsing history.

    The only ad we are responsible for is the Sporting Index advert on the top right hand side.
    But they seem to be aware of the content of what you browse. I got offered solar panels last night which I can only assume resulted from yesterday's AGW borefest on here - so PB can indirectly dictate the content of ads.
    Yes that plays a factor, and the thread headers.

    Mike took great pleasure informing me that shortly after my first stint as guest editor, o2 blocked PB to under 18s because of its adult content.

    I guess headlines like "Balls deep in trouble" don't help
  • Maybe Iceland = Farage is a very good analogy.

    Iceland are surprisingly successful, despite being hated and mocked in equal measure by the metro elite as the chavs supermarket. But growing across the country and are teflon like when it comes to bad PR....even the horse meat scandal, they ended up selling more burgers than they ever had and somehow came out of that with zero damage to their long term future.

    The fact that there are UKIP voters and Labour voters is depressing testament to the fact that we share our country with a large minority of people who are morally ugly and morally incompetent.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @RobD
    When did Malcolm get suspended? Jack removed himself last night i think?

    Very recently, I think. I was asleep so am only catching up on things.
    Has there been some industrial-scale deletion of posts then?
    Not sure what you are getting at? My point was that they were both suspended in the end, so it seems strange Straw has just been jettisoned from the headline entirely (although I concede the point that it is the latest part of the story).
    Sorry, we are at cross-purposes! Thought I had missed a massive overnight spat between JackW and malcolmg! Jeez....I really need to broaden my horizons outside pb.com.....
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    Mr. Eagles, surely Cameron as Waitrose and Farage as Lidl/Aldi is a given?

    Clegg as Tesco, once popular, now easily mocked.

    Miliband = Co-op. Surely?

    Nah, Lidl/Aldi are Johnny Foreigners immigrants from the EU damaging the prospect of the natives.

    Tesco are still the market leaders, so not Clegg
    Miliband would be Budgen.

    Farage would be Mac Fisheries, International, or some other half-baked supermarket not seen since the 1970s.
    Fine Fare, or possibly Gateway.
  • Dair said:

    Scott_P said:

    @callummay: Just remembered @Aiannucci's Drinking Club of Jack Straw Fans. 16'20" into this from 1995. It's amazing. http://t.co/BhvKLeAhyx

    Fantastic stuff, Iannucci has an amazing record of quality satirical programming. It's almost a shame Alan Partridge proved so successful as it basically took him away from political satire for the best part of 10 years. The nation's loss.

    At least Season Four of Veep is back 12th April.

    A fine programme indeed. Will it still be called Veep?

  • I see World at One says, "One former minister we spoke to this morning approached by Ch4/Telegraph told us that "it appeared dodgy from the outset."

    Why can't we be told who that was? It would do him or her nothing but good.

    Nick

    The clue is the World at One which IIRC is on the BBC. This tells you that the minister they won't name was a Tory.

    If it had been a BBC sting and a Labour minister they'd have led with it and they'd have left Straw out altogether.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    Maybe Iceland = Farage is a very good analogy.

    Iceland are surprisingly successful, despite being hated and mocked in equal measure by the metro elite as the chavs supermarket. But growing across the country and are teflon like when it comes to bad PR....even the horse meat scandal, they ended up selling more burgers than they ever had and somehow came out of that with zero damage to their long term future.

    The fact that there are UKIP voters and Labour voters is depressing testament to the fact that we share our country with a large minority of people who are morally ugly and morally incompetent.
    I'd like to nominate this for "most useless post of the day".
  • FalseFlagFalseFlag Posts: 1,801

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Just noticed an HSBC ad on PB. OGH/TSE - care to comment on your editorial policy?

    The ads are based on your browsing history.

    The only ad we are responsible for is the Sporting Index advert on the top right hand side.
    Sounds like a get out clause to me ;)
    A few years ago, one poster, complained about the adverts on PB because they were about Russian Brides/Escorts.

    A few people pointed out that the adverts you see on PB is based on your own browsing history.

    That poster went very quiet after that.
    Eastern Ukrainian brides, shurely?
    I really want to troll the Putin sock puppets now
    Rotherham.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    Is poundshop a supermarket?

    Is McDonalds a Restaurant?
    Smarmeron said:

    @RobD
    When did Malcolm get suspended? Jack removed himself last night i think?


    Incorrect and you cannot limit damage on your party that way. He referred himself to the PSC but Labour suspended the whip. Rifkind did the same last night but only Rifkind is " highlighted" on the BBC of course.

    Good try though.... Failed!

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,041

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @RobD
    When did Malcolm get suspended? Jack removed himself last night i think?

    Very recently, I think. I was asleep so am only catching up on things.
    Has there been some industrial-scale deletion of posts then?
    Not sure what you are getting at? My point was that they were both suspended in the end, so it seems strange Straw has just been jettisoned from the headline entirely (although I concede the point that it is the latest part of the story).
    Sorry, we are at cross-purposes! Thought I had missed a massive overnight spat between JackW and malcolmg! Jeez....I really need to broaden my horizons outside pb.com.....
    LOL.
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @RobD
    When did Malcolm get suspended? Jack removed himself last night i think?

    Very recently, I think. I was asleep so am only catching up on things.
    Has there been some industrial-scale deletion of posts then?
    Not sure what you are getting at? My point was that they were both suspended in the end, so it seems strange Straw has just been jettisoned from the headline entirely (although I concede the point that it is the latest part of the story).
    Sorry, we are at cross-purposes! Thought I had missed a massive overnight spat between JackW and malcolmg! Jeez....I really need to broaden my horizons outside pb.com.....
    Ha! When will OGH wake up and withdraw the whip from these two malcontents, Mr. Speaker? He. Just. Doesn't. Get. It.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @RobD
    When did Malcolm get suspended? Jack removed himself last night i think?

    Very recently, I think. I was asleep so am only catching up on things.
    Has there been some industrial-scale deletion of posts then?
    Not sure what you are getting at? My point was that they were both suspended in the end, so it seems strange Straw has just been jettisoned from the headline entirely (although I concede the point that it is the latest part of the story).
    Sorry, we are at cross-purposes! Thought I had missed a massive overnight spat between JackW and malcolmg! Jeez....I really need to broaden my horizons outside pb.com.....
    You weren't the only one (well, for about 15 seconds!).
  • Opinium trolling compouter:

    "Crossover was predictable given views on the economy"

    http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/opinium-blog/crossover-was-predictable-given-views-economy
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Dair said:

    Scott_P said:

    @callummay: Just remembered @Aiannucci's Drinking Club of Jack Straw Fans. 16'20" into this from 1995. It's amazing. http://t.co/BhvKLeAhyx

    Fantastic stuff, Iannucci has an amazing record of quality satirical programming. It's almost a shame Alan Partridge proved so successful as it basically took him away from political satire for the best part of 10 years. The nation's loss.

    At least Season Four of Veep is back 12th April.

    A fine programme indeed. Will it still be called Veep?

    I believe so.
  • Wildest Dreams is now 33/1 with Paddy Power.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited February 2015
    Wildest Dreams has been withdrawn.

    just kidding!
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    Maybe Iceland = Farage is a very good analogy.

    Iceland are surprisingly successful, despite being hated and mocked in equal measure by the metro elite as the chavs supermarket. But growing across the country and are teflon like when it comes to bad PR....even the horse meat scandal, they ended up selling more burgers than they ever had and somehow came out of that with zero damage to their long term future.

    The fact that there are UKIP voters and Labour voters is depressing testament to the fact that we share our country with a large minority of people who are morally ugly and morally incompetent.
    Isn't it a small majority, on average polling figures these days?

    Especially if you add in Aidan Burley, and the Conservative Party committee members who decided that his conduct was not racist. Or was that decision morally beautiful and morally competent?
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Moses_
    The whip was withdrawn from Jack Straw last night, or he resigned it, take your pick.
    Malcolm Rifkind was suspended this afternoon.
    Do try to keep up dear?
  • Brilliant cartoon, Marf!
  • George Galloway ‏@georgegalloway

    Has Hugo Rifkind of The Murdoch Times had anything to say? He's normally loquacious...


    Hugo Rifkind ‏@hugorifkind

    @georgegalloway Thanks for asking, George. I suppose I'd just say I salute my dad's courage, strength and indefatigability. Hope this helps.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,041

    Opinium trolling compouter:

    "Crossover was predictable given views on the economy"

    http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/opinium-blog/crossover-was-predictable-given-views-economy

    Look at that lead on the economy!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,963
    edited February 2015

    George Galloway ‏@georgegalloway

    Has Hugo Rifkind of The Murdoch Times had anything to say? He's normally loquacious...


    Hugo Rifkind ‏@hugorifkind

    @georgegalloway Thanks for asking, George. I suppose I'd just say I salute my dad's courage, strength and indefatigability. Hope this helps.

    Twitter really is a scary place to be at the moment if you're a Rifkind.

    Some of the tweets I've seen make me think there's some really bat shit crazy people out there because they are obsessed with the following two facts

    1) Sir Malcolm Rifkind is Jewish

    2) Sir Malcolm Rifkind's cousin was Leon Brittan
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,041

    George Galloway ‏@georgegalloway

    Has Hugo Rifkind of The Murdoch Times had anything to say? He's normally loquacious...


    Hugo Rifkind ‏@hugorifkind

    @georgegalloway Thanks for asking, George. I suppose I'd just say I salute my dad's courage, strength and indefatigability. Hope this helps.

    Twitter really is a scary place to be at the moment if you're a Rifkind.

    Some of the tweets I've seen make me think there's some really bat shit crazy people out there because they are obsessed with the following two facts

    1) Sir Malcolm Rifkind is Jewish

    2) Sir Malcolm Rifkind cousin was Leon Brittan
    0) Sir Malcolm Rifkind is a Baby Eating Tory (of course, in the hierarchy, a PB Tory is better than a BE Tory)
  • It passed the post in 2nd!

    But they're going round again.
  • For those wot missed it yesterday:

    Lab lead down to 1.0% in ELBOW w/e 22nd Feb (0.5% down on 15th Feb).
    Con also down a touch.

    UKIP, LDs and Greens all up to varying extents. LDs on their highest ELBOW since 12th Oct!

    https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/569480545782145026

    https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/569481700058771457

    https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/569482684214468608

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    It passed the post in 2nd!

    But they're going round again.

    Has it fallen? 1000 on betfair
  • An interesting comment by Andrew Sparrow in his (as ever excellent) Live Blog:

    What’s most striking about the controversy is the yawning gap it has exposed between what MPs are allowed to do and what people actually think that they should do. MPs are allowed to take second jobs as consultants, provided they do not engage in “paid advocacy”, and the relevant rules are largely about ensuring that relevant interests are declared. My colleague Matthew Weaver has had a look at the rules that Jack Straw and Rifkind could conceivably have broken, but he hasn’t found it easy, and if the best that anyone can do is to find Straw guilty of having a business meeting in his office (see 1.17pm), then the parliamentary commissioner for standards is unlikely to get excited. (The claim that Straw got his parliamentary researcher to do business work for him looks more serious, but Straw answered this this morning when he said that only two thirds of the researcher’s salary was paid by parliament, and that the rest was paid by Straw himself.)

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2015/feb/23/jack-straw-and-malcolm-rifkind-respond-to-cash-for-access-allegations-politics-live-blog#block-54eb18e7e4b0396c3e2b1dd1
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Just noticed an HSBC ad on PB. OGH/TSE - care to comment on your editorial policy?

    The ads are based on your browsing history.

    The only ad we are responsible for is the Sporting Index advert on the top right hand side.
    Sounds like a get out clause to me ;)
    A few years ago, one poster, complained about the adverts on PB because they were about Russian Brides/Escorts.

    A few people pointed out that the adverts you see on PB is based on your own browsing history.

    That poster went very quiet after that.
    Eastern Ukrainian brides, shurely?
    I really want to troll the Putin sock puppets now
    Eddie Redmayne!
  • isam said:

    It passed the post in 2nd!

    But they're going round again.

    Has it fallen? 1000 on betfair
    Weakened substantially four out. Fav won easily.
  • Good tip again though, though taffys would disagree.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    It passed the post in 2nd!

    But they're going round again.

    Looked really good. For a mile.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    An interesting comment by Andrew Sparrow in his (as ever excellent) Live Blog:

    What’s most striking about the controversy is the yawning gap it has exposed between what MPs are allowed to do and what people actually think that they should do. MPs are allowed to take second jobs as consultants, provided they do not engage in “paid advocacy”, and the relevant rules are largely about ensuring that relevant interests are declared. My colleague Matthew Weaver has had a look at the rules that Jack Straw and Rifkind could conceivably have broken, but he hasn’t found it easy, and if the best that anyone can do is to find Straw guilty of having a business meeting in his office (see 1.17pm), then the parliamentary commissioner for standards is unlikely to get excited. (The claim that Straw got his parliamentary researcher to do business work for him looks more serious, but Straw answered this this morning when he said that only two thirds of the researcher’s salary was paid by parliament, and that the rest was paid by Straw himself.)

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2015/feb/23/jack-straw-and-malcolm-rifkind-respond-to-cash-for-access-allegations-politics-live-blog#block-54eb18e7e4b0396c3e2b1dd1

    I think in general, people need to stop holding MPS to standard they wouldn't dream of upholding themselves.
  • Damnit, I'd already spent my winnings.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,041

    Damnit, I'd already spent my winnings.

    Tescos instead of Waitrose tonight?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    Good tip again though, though taffys would disagree.

    Brightened up a (very) dull afternoon in the west of Ireland!
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Mr. Eagles, surely Cameron as Waitrose and Farage as Lidl/Aldi is a given?

    Clegg as Tesco, once popular, now easily mocked.

    Miliband = Co-op. Surely?

    Nah, Lidl/Aldi are Johnny Foreigners immigrants from the EU damaging the prospect of the natives.

    Tesco are still the market leaders, so not Clegg
    Miliband would be Budgen.

    Farage would be Mac Fisheries, International, or some other half-baked supermarket not seen since the 1970s.
    Ratners
  • Damnit, I'd already spent my winnings.

    It worked out rather well for me - Paddy would only let me stake 55p E/W, so I logged on to Betfred and discovered not only that I had a free bet sitting there, but also that they'd nicked £36 out of my account because it had been dormant for a while. To be fair to them, they refunded it as soon as I queried it, so I gained even by losing!
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    George Galloway ‏@georgegalloway

    Has Hugo Rifkind of The Murdoch Times had anything to say? He's normally loquacious...


    Hugo Rifkind ‏@hugorifkind

    @georgegalloway Thanks for asking, George. I suppose I'd just say I salute my dad's courage, strength and indefatigability. Hope this helps.

    Hugo Rifkind is a top bloke.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Good tip again though, though taffys would disagree.

    Backed 110 and laid 55 so can't complain, nuffink done
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538

    Maybe Iceland = Farage is a very good analogy.

    Iceland are surprisingly successful, despite being hated and mocked in equal measure by the metro elite as the chavs supermarket. But growing across the country and are teflon like when it comes to bad PR....even the horse meat scandal, they ended up selling more burgers than they ever had and somehow came out of that with zero damage to their long term future.

    The fact that there are UKIP voters and Labour voters is depressing testament to the fact that we share our country with a large minority of people who are morally ugly and morally incompetent.
    That kind of attitude very neatly demonstrates why the Conservatives probably can't win an overall majority again. The massive sense of entitlement, combined with the belief that non-Conservative voters are stupid or malevolent.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Scott_P said:

    It's gone Global...

    @michaelsavage: Do watch this amazing John Oliver take down of Labour's Pink Bus gaffe. #PinkBus: http://t.co/01daHHUATq

    Just brilliant,lol

  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    Beeb live blog
    The Spectator

    @spectator

    Posted at

    tweets: Paddy Power opens the betting on what's next for Sir Malcolm Rifkind
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited February 2015
    Sean_F said:

    Maybe Iceland = Farage is a very good analogy.

    Iceland are surprisingly successful, despite being hated and mocked in equal measure by the metro elite as the chavs supermarket. But growing across the country and are teflon like when it comes to bad PR....even the horse meat scandal, they ended up selling more burgers than they ever had and somehow came out of that with zero damage to their long term future.

    The fact that there are UKIP voters and Labour voters is depressing testament to the fact that we share our country with a large minority of people who are morally ugly and morally incompetent.
    That kind of attitude very neatly demonstrates why the Conservatives probably can't win an overall majority again. The massive sense of entitlement, combined with the belief that non-Conservative voters are stupid or malevolent.
    Because, of course, Mr Bond speaks for all Conservatives everywhere.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    Charles said:

    Sean_F said:

    Maybe Iceland = Farage is a very good analogy.

    Iceland are surprisingly successful, despite being hated and mocked in equal measure by the metro elite as the chavs supermarket. But growing across the country and are teflon like when it comes to bad PR....even the horse meat scandal, they ended up selling more burgers than they ever had and somehow came out of that with zero damage to their long term future.

    The fact that there are UKIP voters and Labour voters is depressing testament to the fact that we share our country with a large minority of people who are morally ugly and morally incompetent.
    That kind of attitude very neatly demonstrates why the Conservatives probably can't win an overall majority again. The massive sense of entitlement, combined with the belief that non-Conservative voters are stupid or malevolent.
    Because, of course, Mr Bond speaks for all Conservatives everywhere.
    Just as Rozanne Duncan speaks for all Kippers...
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Just noticed an HSBC ad on PB. OGH/TSE - care to comment on your editorial policy?

    The ads are based on your browsing history.

    The only ad we are responsible for is the Sporting Index advert on the top right hand side.
    Sounds like a get out clause to me ;)
    A few years ago, one poster, complained about the adverts on PB because they were about Russian Brides/Escorts.

    A few people pointed out that the adverts you see on PB is based on your own browsing history.

    That poster went very quiet after that.
    I want TSEs adverts they will be more "interesting" than mine!!!
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Charles said:

    Sean_F said:

    Maybe Iceland = Farage is a very good analogy.

    Iceland are surprisingly successful, despite being hated and mocked in equal measure by the metro elite as the chavs supermarket. But growing across the country and are teflon like when it comes to bad PR....even the horse meat scandal, they ended up selling more burgers than they ever had and somehow came out of that with zero damage to their long term future.

    The fact that there are UKIP voters and Labour voters is depressing testament to the fact that we share our country with a large minority of people who are morally ugly and morally incompetent.
    That kind of attitude very neatly demonstrates why the Conservatives probably can't win an overall majority again. The massive sense of entitlement, combined with the belief that non-Conservative voters are stupid or malevolent.
    Because, of course, Mr Bond speaks for all Conservatives everywhere.
    Fair enough but what does that say about attitudes to ukip based on the comments of one no mark councillor? We see enough broad stroke / judgemental posts of that type
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538
    Charles said:

    Sean_F said:

    Maybe Iceland = Farage is a very good analogy.

    Iceland are surprisingly successful, despite being hated and mocked in equal measure by the metro elite as the chavs supermarket. But growing across the country and are teflon like when it comes to bad PR....even the horse meat scandal, they ended up selling more burgers than they ever had and somehow came out of that with zero damage to their long term future.

    The fact that there are UKIP voters and Labour voters is depressing testament to the fact that we share our country with a large minority of people who are morally ugly and morally incompetent.
    That kind of attitude very neatly demonstrates why the Conservatives probably can't win an overall majority again. The massive sense of entitlement, combined with the belief that non-Conservative voters are stupid or malevolent.
    Because, of course, Mr Bond speaks for all Conservatives everywhere.
    It's not an uncommon attitude on this forum.
  • One hour to go till the Good Lord speaketh!
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    isam said:

    Charles said:

    Sean_F said:

    Maybe Iceland = Farage is a very good analogy.

    Iceland are surprisingly successful, despite being hated and mocked in equal measure by the metro elite as the chavs supermarket. But growing across the country and are teflon like when it comes to bad PR....even the horse meat scandal, they ended up selling more burgers than they ever had and somehow came out of that with zero damage to their long term future.

    The fact that there are UKIP voters and Labour voters is depressing testament to the fact that we share our country with a large minority of people who are morally ugly and morally incompetent.
    That kind of attitude very neatly demonstrates why the Conservatives probably can't win an overall majority again. The massive sense of entitlement, combined with the belief that non-Conservative voters are stupid or malevolent.
    Because, of course, Mr Bond speaks for all Conservatives everywhere.
    Fair enough but what does that say about attitudes to ukip based on the comments of one no mark councillor? We see enough broad stroke / judgemental posts of that type
    A councilor is an elected representative of the party. It says a lot about their screening process, and the reaction of the hierarchy to some of the comments is significant as well (it can be interpreted as condoning, albeit not endorsing, the remarks).

    But, as far as I know Bond_James_Bond is a no-nothing poster on a website and what he says is as relevant to the Conservative Party as what I say on here.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Sean_F said:

    Charles said:

    Sean_F said:

    Maybe Iceland = Farage is a very good analogy.

    Iceland are surprisingly successful, despite being hated and mocked in equal measure by the metro elite as the chavs supermarket. But growing across the country and are teflon like when it comes to bad PR....even the horse meat scandal, they ended up selling more burgers than they ever had and somehow came out of that with zero damage to their long term future.

    The fact that there are UKIP voters and Labour voters is depressing testament to the fact that we share our country with a large minority of people who are morally ugly and morally incompetent.
    That kind of attitude very neatly demonstrates why the Conservatives probably can't win an overall majority again. The massive sense of entitlement, combined with the belief that non-Conservative voters are stupid or malevolent.
    Because, of course, Mr Bond speaks for all Conservatives everywhere.
    It's not an uncommon attitude on this forum.
    And there are a lot of people on this forum who don't represent all Conservatives everywhere,
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,041
    So I've not actually watched the BBC UKIP program. Don't know if I could stand watching it to be honest (I get the impression it'll be like watching the office, pretty cringeworthy).
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    One hour to go till the Good Lord speaketh!

    I predict a LARGER Tory lead of 2
  • RobD said:

    So I've not actually watched the BBC UKIP program. Don't know if I could stand watching it to be honest (I get the impression it'll be like watching the office, pretty cringeworthy).

    Don't waste your time.

    It was appalling. Though I did feel sorry for the Kipper Press Officer.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Charles said:

    isam said:

    Charles said:

    Sean_F said:

    Maybe Iceland = Farage is a very good analogy.

    Iceland are surprisingly successful, despite being hated and mocked in equal measure by the metro elite as the chavs supermarket. But growing across the country and are teflon like when it comes to bad PR....even the horse meat scandal, they ended up selling more burgers than they ever had and somehow came out of that with zero damage to their long term future.

    The fact that there are UKIP voters and Labour voters is depressing testament to the fact that we share our country with a large minority of people who are morally ugly and morally incompetent.
    That kind of attitude very neatly demonstrates why the Conservatives probably can't win an overall majority again. The massive sense of entitlement, combined with the belief that non-Conservative voters are stupid or malevolent.
    Because, of course, Mr Bond speaks for all Conservatives everywhere.
    Fair enough but what does that say about attitudes to ukip based on the comments of one no mark councillor? We see enough broad stroke / judgemental posts of that type
    A councilor is an elected representative of the party. It says a lot about their screening process, and the reaction of the hierarchy to some of the comments is significant as well (it can be interpreted as condoning, albeit not endorsing, the remarks).

    But, as far as I know Bond_James_Bond is a no-nothing poster on a website and what he says is as relevant to the Conservative Party as what I say on here.
    Splitting hairs, fair enough
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