Does anyone else get put off potentially voting Conservative by having the vile Daily Mail as a cheerleader for it ? ...
Vile is such a faux outrage word, at least two million people don't think the Mail is vile.
What do you make of the Mirror and their industrial scale phone hacking, or the hypocritical Guardian based in the Caymans and a user of hedge funds? Are they 'vile' as well, if not why not?
@TheWatcher Referring to his father is not an answer certainly, but Dave surely had an interest in how his father became so successful? On the other hand, perhaps he had no interest in where the money came from, and the arrangements of the will? After all, the will would have been scrutinized by one of the leading exponents of tax avoidance schemes? Let's talk about Ed shall we?
Ed got terribly upset when the affairs of a dead father were discussed. Why not follow his shining example?
Why not instead talk about his mother? She's alive and Ed has already fingered her as the family tax avoider.
She arranged the DoV within two years of Gordon describing them as abused loopholes to avoid IHT
PB tories now attacking an 80 year old woman . There is no depths to the gutter they will sink to in the pursuit of partisan advantage .
Everyone was blaming the Miliboys for the DoV until Ed revealed that his mother was the sole culprit. And it was only being discussed at all because weird Ed again revealed himself to be a massively hypocritical shit.
Btw I am only one PB Tory.
By everyone you mean hypocritical partisan shites such as yourself .
It would be good if the moderators would curtail the gratuitous swearing of Mr. Senior.
If he does become PM it will be because the Tories have failed to convince voters that they deserve to be in government and the Tories will have no-one to blame but themselves. The last couple of weeks have certainly honed my anti-Tory instincts and confirmed to me that they just do not see the world in the way that I do. The obscenity of their hedge fund ball and their dependency on the super-rich for financing tell me that in the end they will never have a deep-seated interest in tackling the issues that I believe need to be tackled - growing inequality, the widening divide between the richest and the rest, the concentration of opportunity in the hands of an ever-smaller elite, and so on. I do not expect anything much at all from Labour, but right now the Tories need to be out of office and having a rethink about how they develop as a party that clearly has the interests of ordinary people at its heart.
Clearly a party funded by Len McCluskey and his associates isn't beholden to anyone, and we wont be seeing any pro-union policies or an increase in pilgrims in the public services if Labour get elected, no siree, no way that would happen.
At least there are a few million trade unionists in this country, all of whom live and pay all their tax here and have their futures firmly here too. I am not sure you can say the same about those who fund the Tory party.
If I were a labour MP I'd be severely concerned that anyone who isn't in a union detests most of what Unions stand for now - the threat of spurious strikes which try to hold the public they profess to serve to ransom. Latest on the RMT position, anyone?
The RMT is not affiliated to the Labour party. I am not sure that many folk in the country hold much affection for the super-rich who funds the Tories either.
Official affiliations are less important nowadays. You can't have it both ways - if the public consider rich =tory then it is likely they will think unionite=labour.
The two big losers will be the Tories and UKIP. Both who look like they're on the wrong side of this very clear line. The next few polls will be interesting
No.
The losers will be the public when they get the Labour government they so desperately want, and either nothing changes and the government implodes, or lots change and the economy implodes. Either way the rich, and a lot of businesses will just leave, they wont pay more tax, they wont create more jobs, they will just leave (see France). The middle incomes earners will have to pay a lot more tax as a result and wont be voting Labour again, and the lower incomes will have to do with a lot less services and wont be happy either. If that makes you happy, I don't know what to say.
The public can never be losers. After all, they get what they vote for. It was their choice of government. If they did not intend to vote for the party they voted for, they would have voted for the other parties. Basically, you are an arrogant Tory - who knows what is best for the plebs.
@TheWatcher Referring to his father is not an answer certainly, but Dave surely had an interest in how his father became so successful? On the other hand, perhaps he had no interest in where the money came from, and the arrangements of the will? After all, the will would have been scrutinized by one of the leading exponents of tax avoidance schemes? Let's talk about Ed shall we?
Ed got terribly upset when the affairs of a dead father were discussed. Why not follow his shining example?
Why not instead talk about his mother? She's alive and Ed has already fingered her as the family tax avoider.
She arranged the DoV within two years of Gordon describing them as abused loopholes to avoid IHT
PB tories now attacking an 80 year old woman . There is no depths to the gutter they will sink to in the pursuit of partisan advantage .
Everyone was blaming the Miliboys for the DoV until Ed revealed that his mother was the sole culprit. And it was only being discussed at all because weird Ed again revealed himself to be a massively hypocritical shit.
Btw I am only one PB Tory.
By everyone you mean hypocritical partisan shites such as yourself .
It would be good if the moderators would curtail the gratuitous swearing of Mr. Senior.
Which part of Mark's sentence are you disagreeing with ?
@TheWatcher Referring to his father is not an answer certainly, but Dave surely had an interest in how his father became so successful? On the other hand, perhaps he had no interest in where the money came from, and the arrangements of the will? After all, the will would have been scrutinized by one of the leading exponents of tax avoidance schemes? Let's talk about Ed shall we?
Ed got terribly upset when the affairs of a dead father were discussed. Why not follow his shining example?
Why not instead talk about his mother? She's alive and Ed has already fingered her as the family tax avoider.
She arranged the DoV within two years of Gordon describing them as abused loopholes to avoid IHT
PB tories now attacking an 80 year old woman . There is no depths to the gutter they will sink to in the pursuit of partisan advantage .
Everyone was blaming the Miliboys for the DoV until Ed revealed that his mother was the sole culprit. And it was only being discussed at all because weird Ed again revealed himself to be a massively hypocritical shit.
Btw I am only one PB Tory.
By everyone you mean hypocritical partisan such as yourself .
Come one you drooling geriatric, you've had enough time to respond.
@TheWatcher Referring to his father is not an answer certainly, but Dave surely had an interest in how his father became so successful? On the other hand, perhaps he had no interest in where the money came from, and the arrangements of the will? After all, the will would have been scrutinized by one of the leading exponents of tax avoidance schemes? Let's talk about Ed shall we?
Ed got terribly upset when the affairs of a dead father were discussed. Why not follow his shining example?
Why not instead talk about his mother? She's alive and Ed has already fingered her as the family tax avoider.
She arranged the DoV within two years of Gordon describing them as abused loopholes to avoid IHT
PB tories now attacking an 80 year old woman . There is no depths to the gutter they will sink to in the pursuit of partisan advantage .
Everyone was blaming the Miliboys for the DoV until Ed revealed that his mother was the sole culprit. And it was only being discussed at all because weird Ed again revealed himself to be a massively hypocritical shit.
Btw I am only one PB Tory.
By everyone you mean hypocritical partisan shites such as yourself .
It would be good if the moderators would curtail the gratuitous swearing of Mr. Senior.
Which part of Mark's sentence are you disagreeing with ?
Does anyone else get put off potentially voting Conservative by having the vile Daily Mail as a cheerleader for it ? ...
No. It is one the most popular of the Newspapers both in print and on-line.. unless you think we're all vile for reading it. If so it says more about you than them.
I don't think it's the politics sections driving the leadership.
The two big losers will be the Tories and UKIP. Both who look like they're on the wrong side of this very clear line. The next few polls will be interesting
No.
The losers will be the public when they get the Labour government they so desperately want, and either nothing changes and the government implodes, or lots change and the economy implodes. Either way the rich, and a lot of businesses will just leave, they wont pay more tax, they wont create more jobs, they will just leave (see France). The middle incomes earners will have to pay a lot more tax as a result and wont be voting Labour again, and the lower incomes will have to do with a lot less services and wont be happy either. If that makes you happy, I don't know what to say.
The public can never be losers. After all, they get what they vote for. It was their choice of government. If they did not intend to vote for the party they voted for, they would have voted for the other parties. Basically, you are an arrogant Tory - who knows what is best for the plebs.
Um, all parties think they know what is best for the plebs, if they didn't think that they wouldn't be standing for a political party and telling everyone what was best for the country (mostly being made up of us plebs) and then running the country in that way, even if 60-70% don't vote for them. It sure as hell ain't a uniquely Tory attribute.
Does anyone else get put off potentially voting Conservative by having the vile Daily Mail as a cheerleader for it ? ...
No. It is one the most popular of the Newspapers both in print and on-line.. unless you think we're all vile for reading it. If so it says more about you than them.
Just me that thinks using dead kids on the front page for a political attack is beyond the pale.
@TheWatcher Referring to his father is not an answer certainly, but Dave surely had an interest in how his father became so successful? On the other hand, perhaps he had no interest in where the money came from, and the arrangements of the will? After all, the will would have been scrutinized by one of the leading exponents of tax avoidance schemes? Let's talk about Ed shall we?
Ed got terribly upset when the affairs of a dead father were discussed. Why not follow his shining example?
Why not instead talk about his mother? She's alive and Ed has already fingered her as the family tax avoider.
She arranged the DoV within two years of Gordon describing them as abused loopholes to avoid IHT
PB tories now attacking an 80 year old woman . There is no depths to the gutter they will sink to in the pursuit of partisan advantage .
Everyone was blaming the Miliboys for the DoV until Ed revealed that his mother was the sole culprit. And it was only being discussed at all because weird Ed again revealed himself to be a massively hypocritical shit.
Btw I am only one PB Tory.
By everyone you mean hypocritical partisan shites such as yourself .
It would be good if the moderators would curtail the gratuitous swearing of Mr. Senior.
He really is a bitter little man.
Understandable, as the Lib Dems circle around the plug hole.
Yesterday I semi jokingly said Cameron doesn't have to worry about the voters he has to worry about the mob with pitchforks.....
Today on Any Questions I've rarely heard more raw anger. The public are incensed. Osborne's plan-getting a bunch of billionaires to say Labour wouldn't govern in their interests-was lunatic from the word go. Then to allow his party treasurer-Hedge fund donor and billionaire Lord Fink-threatening to sue was to pour kerosene on it.
The two big losers will be the Tories and UKIP. Both who look like they're on the wrong side of this very clear line. The next few polls will be interesting
I didn't hear Any Questions, but Any Answers, as shepherded by Anita Anand, was incendiary; and those in favour of the Labour view about the taxation or lack of, were being heard 10 times more frequently than the opposite view.
It was in fact a political broadcast by the BBC and Anita Anand on behalf of the Labour Party
@TheWatcher Referring to his father is not an answer certainly, but Dave surely had an interest in how his father became so successful? On the other hand, perhaps he had no interest in where the money came from, and the arrangements of the will? After all, the will would have been scrutinized by one of the leading exponents of tax avoidance schemes? Let's talk about Ed shall we?
Ed got terribly upset when the affairs of a dead father were discussed. Why not follow his shining example?
Why not instead talk about his mother? She's alive and Ed has already fingered her as the family tax avoider.
She arranged the DoV within two years of Gordon describing them as abused loopholes to avoid IHT
PB tories now attacking an 80 year old woman . There is no depths to the gutter they will sink to in the pursuit of partisan advantage .
Everyone was blaming the Miliboys for the DoV until Ed revealed that his mother was the sole culprit. And it was only being discussed at all because weird Ed again revealed himself to be a massively hypocritical shit.
Btw I am only one PB Tory.
By everyone you mean hypocritical partisan such as yourself .
It would be good if the moderators would curtail the gratuitous swearing of Mr. Senior.
Lib Dems love criminals. Want votes for prisoners and happy to take their cash and not return it to the folk it was stolen from.
Does anyone else get put off potentially voting Conservative by having the vile Daily Mail as a cheerleader for it ? ...
No. It is one the most popular of the Newspapers both in print and on-line.. unless you think we're all vile for reading it. If so it says more about you than them.
Just me that thinks using dead kids on the front page for a political attack is beyond the pale.
OK then
What about the person that mentioned the name in the first place? I'll give you a clue, it wasn't a Tory or anyone from the Mail.
If he does become PM it will be because the Tories have failed to convince voters that they deserve to be in government and the Tories will have no-one to blame but themselves. The last couple of weeks have certainly honed my anti-Tory instincts and confirmed to me that they just do not see the world in the way that I do. The obscenity of their hedge fund ball and their dependency on the super-rich for financing tell me that in the end they will never have a deep-seated interest in tackling the issues that I believe need to be tackled - growing inequality, the widening divide between the richest and the rest, the concentration of opportunity in the hands of an ever-smaller elite, and so on. I do not expect anything much at all from Labour, but right now the Tories need to be out of office and having a rethink about how they develop as a party that clearly has the interests of ordinary people at its heart.
Clearly a party funded by Len McCluskey and his associates isn't beholden to anyone, and we wont be seeing any pro-union policies or an increase in pilgrims in the public services if Labour get elected, no siree, no way that would happen.
At least there are a few million trade unionists in this country, all of whom live and pay all their tax here and have their futures firmly here too. I am not sure you can say the same about those who fund the Tory party.
If I were a labour MP I'd be severely concerned that anyone who isn't in a union detests most of what Unions stand for now - the threat of spurious strikes which try to hold the public they profess to serve to ransom. Latest on the RMT position, anyone?
They still want the breath test failing member reinstated so he can drive passenger filled tube trains, and are willing to strike over the matter.
Yesterday I semi jokingly said Cameron doesn't have to worry about the voters he has to worry about the mob with pitchforks.....
Today on Any Questions I've rarely heard more raw anger. The public are incensed. Osborne's plan-getting a bunch of billionaires to say Labour wouldn't govern in their interests-was lunatic from the word go. Then to allow his party treasurer-Hedge fund donor and billionaire Lord Fink-threatening to sue was to pour kerosene on it.
The two big losers will be the Tories and UKIP. Both who look like they're on the wrong side of this very clear line. The next few polls will be interesting
Roger has perfectly adumbrated the Miliband strategy from the outset - stir up hatred, envy and division, whatever the cost. Labour were going nowhere with conventional politics, but if they could revive the old monster of class envy, then enough of the spurned and the impressionable might be coaxed into their camp through sheer fear and humiliation. We saw it early on in the piece when Harman attempted to ally the thieves, thugs and vandals of the London riots. I don't know where this horrendous ruse will lead us, but I doubt it will be pretty.
@TheWatcher Referring to his father is not an answer certainly, but Dave surely had an interest in how his father became so successful? On the other hand, perhaps he had no interest in where the money came from, and the arrangements of the will? After all, the will would have been scrutinized by one of the leading exponents of tax avoidance schemes? Let's talk about Ed shall we?
Ed got terribly upset when the affairs of a dead father were discussed. Why not follow his shining example?
Why not instead talk about his mother? She's alive and Ed has already fingered her as the family tax avoider.
She arranged the DoV within two years of Gordon describing them as abused loopholes to avoid IHT
PB tories now attacking an 80 year old woman . There is no depths to the gutter they will sink to in the pursuit of partisan advantage .
Everyone was blaming the Miliboys for the DoV until Ed revealed that his mother was the sole culprit. And it was only being discussed at all because weird Ed again revealed himself to be a massively hypocritical shit.
Btw I am only one PB Tory.
By everyone you mean hypocritical partisan shites such as yourself .
It would be good if the moderators would curtail the gratuitous swearing of Mr. Senior.
Which part of Mark's sentence are you disagreeing with ?
Err - calling other posters "sh**e" is not acceptable. To be fair I don't approve of the poster using it either.
Does anyone else get put off potentially voting Conservative by having the vile Daily Mail as a cheerleader for it ? ...
No. It is one the most popular of the Newspapers both in print and on-line.. unless you think we're all vile for reading it. If so it says more about you than them.
Just me that thinks using dead kids on the front page for a political attack is beyond the pale.
Yesterday I semi jokingly said Cameron doesn't have to worry about the voters he has to worry about the mob with pitchforks.....
Today on Any Questions I've rarely heard more raw anger. The public are incensed. Osborne's plan-getting a bunch of billionaires to say Labour wouldn't govern in their interests-was lunatic from the word go. Then to allow his party treasurer-Hedge fund donor and billionaire Lord Fink-threatening to sue was to pour kerosene on it.
The two big losers will be the Tories and UKIP. Both who look like they're on the wrong side of this very clear line. The next few polls will be interesting
I didn't hear Any Questions, but Any Answers, as shepherded by Anita Anand, was incendiary; and those in favour of the Labour view about the taxation or lack of, were being heard 10 times more frequently than the opposite view.
It was in fact a political broadcast by the BBC and Anita Anand on behalf of the Labour Party
Ah, the BBC. The moral beacon that encourages tax avoidance among its own staff, and turned a blind eye to in house paedophiles abusing children on an industrial scale.
Does anyone else get put off potentially voting Conservative by having the vile Daily Mail as a cheerleader for it ? ...
No. It is one the most popular of the Newspapers both in print and on-line.. unless you think we're all vile for reading it. If so it says more about you than them.
I don't think it's the politics sections driving the leadership.
There are very few newspapers whose readers are mostly reading the politics - even the Grauniad. The reason is simple - most people aren't very interested in politics.
Goodness - what is it with the kipper love-fest for Putin - we know you hate the EU, but really.
Bath your head in vinegar Felix. I support neither Putin or Russia in any way; just stating a fact that there are warmongers, liars and cheats on the western side, too. As for the EU, it must take a major part of the blame for the ousting of Viktor Yanukovych and the start of this crisis
Talking of which where's Nick? He's had to come-often single handed-and defend Labour's position and now that they have something to talk about he's gone AWOL!
I'm sure there's a rule that if Brian Moore doesn't think it's a try then there's no way you can give it
After the farce in the cricket this morning with Anderson run out, my faith in video refereeing/umpiring is being sorely tested.
Surely the cricket was down to misapplying a rule rather than video?
Parisse's leg cast enough doubt for me
If the umpires didn't know that rule, and I knew about the dead ball rule, the umpires ought to hang their heads in shame.
I lost my faith in the TMOs after the 2007 World Cup Final, when he denied England a try, which would have ensured yet another World Cup trophy for England.
Yesterday I semi jokingly said Cameron doesn't have to worry about the voters he has to worry about the mob with pitchforks.....
Today on Any Questions I've rarely heard more raw anger. The public are incensed. Osborne's plan-getting a bunch of billionaires to say Labour wouldn't govern in their interests-was lunatic from the word go. Then to allow his party treasurer-Hedge fund donor and billionaire Lord Fink-threatening to sue was to pour kerosene on it.
The two big losers will be the Tories and UKIP. Both who look like they're on the wrong side of this very clear line. The next few polls will be interesting
I didn't hear Any Questions, but Any Answers, as shepherded by Anita Anand, was incendiary; and those in favour of the Labour view about the taxation or lack of, were being heard 10 times more frequently than the opposite view.
It was in fact a political broadcast by the BBC and Anita Anand on behalf of the Labour Party
Ah, the BBC. The moral beacon that encourages tax avoidance among its own staff, and turned a blind eye to in house paedophiles abusing children on an industrial scale.
The trails for the programme were much the same.
BBC are a disgrace. Just pure Labour party propaganda these days. Not even trying to be balanced anymore.
Trident: One good thing that could come out of SNP holding the balance of power will be to put into touch for another 5 years any decision on Trident. After all, that is what the Lib Dems did in 2010.
The SNP position is on Trident, not nuclear weapons ! Britain is still adequately protected by nuclear weapons, if we need them at all.
Oops, I forgot we are a world power with 6 aircrafts bombing the hell out of IS in Iraq ! And, 2 aircraft carriers with aircrafts on them. The Harriers having been sold for scrap metal.
Ed Miliband has called for a “root and branch” inquiry into the culture and practices of Mirror Trinity Group into potentially the most extensive phone hacking of any news organisation HMRC amid allegations it failed to act over HSBC’s links to tax avoidance.
I'm sure there's a rule that if Brian Moore doesn't think it's a try then there's no way you can give it
After the farce in the cricket this morning with Anderson run out, my faith in video refereeing/umpiring is being sorely tested.
Surely the cricket was down to misapplying a rule rather than video?
Parisse's leg cast enough doubt for me
If the umpires didn't know that rule, and I knew about the dead ball rule, the umpires ought to hang their heads in shame.
I lost my faith in the TMOs after the 2007 World Cup Final, when he correctly denied England a try, which would have ensured yet another World Cup trophy for England.
Trident: One good thing that could come out of SNP holding the balance of power will be to put into touch for another 5 years any decision on Trident. After all, that is what the Lib Dems did in 2010.
The SNP position is on Trident, not nuclear weapons ! Britain is still adequately protected by nuclear weapons, if we need them at all.
Oops, I forgot we are a world power with 6 aircrafts bombing the hell out of IS in Iraq ! And, 2 aircraft carriers with aircrafts on them. The Harriers having been sold for scrap metal.
Ed Miliband has called for a “root and branch” inquiry into the culture and practices of Mirror Trinity Group into potentially the most extensive phone hacking of any news organisation HMRC amid allegations it failed to act over HSBC’s links to tax avoidance.
Even if they are wrong about that, there's no way to convince them of that until it happens, so the Tories are screwed unless suddenly everyone wakes up to the choice between Dave and Ed and decides they cannot risk losing the underwhelming known with the underwhelming unknown. And with the economy doing a bit better, people may well be more willing to take a risk as there is less fear around (even if it should, people don't seem to feel gratitude for a job well done).
I am actually pretty relaxed about it. This country needs a political enema. The population still believe in the magical money tree, and think its just the nasty Tories are giving it all to their mates and keeping the whiskey and cigars hidden from the man in the street.
Nothing is going to change that short of them electing a Labour government, what they would consider a "proper" socialist government with Red Ed as it's leader, and one of two things happen:
either he makes essentially the same policy decisions as the coalition, in which case people will see that their country is screwed and needs a lot of changes because there clearly isn't a magic money tree (they will also see the afore mentioned socialist government implode as Red Ed fails to carry a majority for his austerity budget given his troublesome coalition partners and his hard left awkward squad on the back benches).
Alternatively he goes on a spending spree, whacks up the taxes and turns on the taps to the money tree we watch businesses and high net worth people leave for friendlier shores and the economy implode as interest rates race upwards and the bank runs begin.
Either way, the electorate might eventually realise that the country is writing cheques its ego can't cash, and is living well outside its means. Then perhaps a sensible government will be elected to get spending under control and start to rebuild the economy properly, we can live in hope.
Whilst what you have said makes perfect sense I am sure that if either of those two things happened Labour voters would continue voting Labour and continue to blame the country's problems on Thatcher.
The first option would be unlikely as the unions have been threatening to create a new party if Ed continues with austerity. I believe a number of MPs have threatened to quite as well. So he will have to go down the France route of borrowing more and ramp up taxes.
Ed Miliband has called for a “root and branch” inquiry into the culture and practices of Mirror Trinity Group into potentially the most extensive phone hacking of any news organisation HMRC amid allegations it failed to act over HSBC’s links to tax avoidance.
“The culture and practices of HMRC went wrong under Labour - when top bankers paid lower tax rates than their cleaners, foreigners didn't pay capital gains tax and the richest people routinely avoided paying stamp duty.
"It's David Cameron who has been clearing up Labour's mess - investing in HMRC to increase the number of prosecutions of tax dodgers, putting reform of the way multinational companies are taxed at the top of the G8 agenda and closing loopholes that the richest were exploiting under Labour.
"So the question for Ed Miliband is whether this inquiry would include Labour's record during the age of irresponsibility that he was at the heart of."
Ed Miliband has called for a “root and branch” inquiry into the culture and practices of Mirror Trinity Group into potentially the most extensive phone hacking of any news organisation HMRC amid allegations it failed to act over HSBC’s links to tax avoidance.
Ed Miliband has called for a “root and branch” inquiry into the culture and practices of Mirror Trinity Group into potentially the most extensive phone hacking of any news organisation HMRC amid allegations it failed to act over HSBC’s links to tax avoidance.
Trident: One good thing that could come out of SNP holding the balance of power will be to put into touch for another 5 years any decision on Trident. After all, that is what the Lib Dems did in 2010.
The SNP position is on Trident, not nuclear weapons ! Britain is still adequately protected by nuclear weapons, if we need them at all.
Oops, I forgot we are a world power with 6 aircrafts bombing the hell out of IS in Iraq ! And, 2 aircraft carriers with aircrafts on them. The Harriers having been sold for scrap metal.
The plural of aircraft is aircraft
Absolutely correct, you sad Tory ! In fact, I meant to say, "2 aircraft carriers with NO aircraft on them."
Ed Miliband has called for a “root and branch” inquiry into the culture and practices of Mirror Trinity Group into potentially the most extensive phone hacking of any news organisation HMRC amid allegations it failed to act over HSBC’s links to tax avoidance.
“The culture and practices of HMRC went wrong under Labour - when top bankers paid lower tax rates than their cleaners, foreigners didn't pay capital gains tax and the richest people routinely avoided paying stamp duty.
"It's David Cameron who has been clearing up Labour's mess - investing in HMRC to increase the number of prosecutions of tax dodgers, putting reform of the way multinational companies are taxed at the top of the G8 agenda and closing loopholes that the richest were exploiting under Labour.
"So the question for Ed Miliband is whether this inquiry would include Labour's record during the age of irresponsibility that he was at the heart of."
I smiled out loud. We are where we are. The Tory Party treasurer with a personal wealth of £180,000,000 has just admitted to some 'vanilla' tax avoidance. The Tories have just had an enormous fund raising bash in central London. Bernie Ecclestone's playboy son-in-law got a dinner with Dave for £50,000. Someone paid £250,000 for a bust of Maggie. Meanwhile IDS has spent the last several months boasting about his bedroom tax
.....Somehow I don't think too many are concentrating on Ed Milibands affairs at the moment.
“The culture and practices of HMRC went wrong under Labour - when top bankers paid lower tax rates than their cleaners, foreigners didn't pay capital gains tax and the richest people routinely avoided paying stamp duty.
"It's David Cameron who has been clearing up Labour's mess - investing in HMRC to increase the number of prosecutions of tax dodgers, putting reform of the way multinational companies are taxed at the top of the G8 agenda and closing loopholes that the richest were exploiting under Labour.
"So the question for Ed Miliband is whether this inquiry would include Labour's record during the age of irresponsibility that he was at the heart of."
I smiled out loud. We are where we are. The Tory Party treasurer with a personal wealth of £180,000,000 has just admitted to some 'vanilla' tax avoidance. The Tories have just had an enormous fund raising bash in central London. Bernie Ecclestone's playboy son-in-law got a dinner with Dave for £50,000. Someone paid £250,000 for a bust of Maggie. Meanwhile IDS has spent the last several months boasting about his bedroom tax
.....Somehow I don't think too many are concentrating on Ed Milibands affairs at the moment.
The first time I can sense a hint of panic amongst the PB Hodges. Must be the Non-January crossover and Non-pulling away in February. God knows what it will be like if we get a Non-Tory comfortable leads in March.
Was this poll mentioned, may have missed it on here :
.....Somehow I don't think too many are concentrating on Ed Milibands affairs at the moment.
Yes, your quite right. Ed is going to get elected. I hope you enjoy him, the tax rises, the incompetent pissing money up the wall and the imploding economy, and the run on the banks. Oh wait, you don't live in the UK either, probably a wise choice, I was considering coming back this year, I might defer that decision a few months.
The first time I can sense a hint of panic amongst the PB Hodges. Must be the Non-January crossover and Non-pulling away in February. God knows what it will be like if we get a Non-Tory comfortable leads in March.
Was this poll mentioned, may have missed it on here :
What I think you can detect is boredom with the one dimensional chanting of leftie nostrums. I think most people will wait until your orgasm subsides as the next few polls come out and we find that actually nothing has changes at all.
“The culture and practices of HMRC went wrong under Labour - when top bankers paid lower tax rates than their cleaners, foreigners didn't pay capital gains tax and the richest people routinely avoided paying stamp duty.
"It's David Cameron who has been clearing up Labour's mess - investing in HMRC to increase the number of prosecutions of tax dodgers, putting reform of the way multinational companies are taxed at the top of the G8 agenda and closing loopholes that the richest were exploiting under Labour.
"So the question for Ed Miliband is whether this inquiry would include Labour's record during the age of irresponsibility that he was at the heart of."
I smiled out loud. We are where we are. The Tory Party treasurer with a personal wealth of £180,000,000 has just admitted to some 'vanilla' tax avoidance. The Tories have just had an enormous fund raising bash in central London. Bernie Ecclestone's playboy son-in-law got a dinner with Dave for £50,000. Someone paid £250,000 for a bust of Maggie. Meanwhile IDS has spent the last several months boasting about his bedroom tax
.....Somehow I don't think too many are concentrating on Ed Milibands affairs at the moment.
The faux outrage that the very rich (arts, media, top public sector) who support the Labour Party display towards the very rich who support the Conservatives (hedge funds, bankers) leaves me cold. Neither party has anything to say to people who don't form part of the vested interests that back them.
I smiled out loud. We are where we are. The Tory Party treasurer with a personal wealth of £180,000,000 has just admitted to some 'vanilla' tax avoidance. The Tories have just had an enormous fund raising bash in central London. Bernie Ecclestone's playboy son-in-law got a dinner with Dave for £50,000. Someone paid £250,000 for a bust of Maggie. Meanwhile IDS has spent the last several months boasting about his bedroom tax
Bernie Ecclestone ? That name sounds familiar from somewhere, can't quite place it, but the words "donor" and "personal wealth" ring a bell, not to mention there is this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-2059617/Bernie-Ecclestone-I-paid-Gerhard-Gribkowsky-27m-avoid-tax-probe.html, and he has such nice politically correct views " "You know I've got one of those wonderful ideas ... women should be dressed in white like all the other domestic appliances." should fit in well at the Labour party.
The first time I can sense a hint of panic amongst the PB Hodges. Must be the Non-January crossover and Non-pulling away in February. God knows what it will be like if we get a Non-Tory comfortable leads in March.
Was this poll mentioned, may have missed it on here :
"Given the Tories are not responding so far all that well, he may win."
Here's my five point plan which Dave can have gratis.
1. Sack Fink. Issue a statement saying how shocked he was to discover etc 2. Announce an inquiry into the DPP to find out why there were no prosecutions in the last five years. 3. Sack IDS as the unacceptable face of Torydom 4. Set up an inquiry into the affairs of Boots 5. Tell the public that a culture has developed in this country over several years and he is going to do everything in his power to end it.
Then eat as much humble pie as he can digest and resist blaming everyone else because no one will believe him
I smiled out loud. We are where we are. The Tory Party treasurer with a personal wealth of £180,000,000 has just admitted to some 'vanilla' tax avoidance. The Tories have just had an enormous fund raising bash in central London. Bernie Ecclestone's playboy son-in-law got a dinner with Dave for £50,000. Someone paid £250,000 for a bust of Maggie. Meanwhile IDS has spent the last several months boasting about his bedroom tax
Bernie Ecclestone ? That name sounds familiar from somewhere, can't quite place it, but the words "donor" and "personal wealth" ring a bell, not to mention there is this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-2059617/Bernie-Ecclestone-I-paid-Gerhard-Gribkowsky-27m-avoid-tax-probe.html, and he has such nice politically correct views " "You know I've got one of those wonderful ideas ... women should be dressed in white like all the other domestic appliances." should fit in well at the Labour party.
Hattie should take the pink lady bus on a few laps of Silverstone.
The first time I can sense a hint of panic amongst the PB Hodges. Must be the Non-January crossover and Non-pulling away in February. God knows what it will be like if we get a Non-Tory comfortable leads in March.
Was this poll mentioned, may have missed it on here :
Why would the Tories be panicking? The received wisdom was that such is the electoral bias that a Labour victory in 2015 was barely short of a mathematical certainty. It's Labour who are fearful they could squander the 'election they couldn't lose'. This explains the explosion of crazed euphoria over Ed's 'Mega Week' - it's sheer, unadulterated relief that they might still not end up chokers.
SeanF - I don't agree with your conclusion - the coalition parties have much to say to those benefitting from higher tax thresholds, for example. But it certainly is the case that the Conservatives give the appearance of preferring to spend time with the very wealthy and clearly their policies are geared towards the grey vote. Both need to change. All three main parties are dominated by liberal, professional people drawn from a small pool and with a similar worldview. That too needs to change, but for that to happen we the electorate must be more tolerant of different views and stop insisting that our politicians agree to a stereotype we despise.
Manchester Grammar too. My brother went there. I must ask him if they taught 'Tax Planning'
What's wrong with tax planning?
Do you have a problem with people wanting to build up a nest-egg for themselves, their children or grandchildren, them wanting to boost their pension provision, so they can enjoy a comfortable retirement, to protect their family’s income, so they have enough money if the worst happens, or wanting to get the best possible income from their pension?
Does anyone else get put off potentially voting Conservative by having the vile Daily Mail as a cheerleader for it ? ...
I have been convinced for a long time that the Mail is the main reason the Tories get stuck with that pesky "nasty" party tag and can't buy a majority for love or money
"Given the Tories are not responding so far all that well, he may win."
Here's my five point plan which Dave can have gratis.
1. Sack Fink. Issue a statement saying how shocked he was to discover etc 2. Announce an inquiry into the DPP to find out why there were no prosecutions in the last five years. 3. Sack IDS as the unacceptable face of Torydom 4. Set up an inquiry into the affairs of Boots 5. Tell the public that a culture has developed in this country over several years and he is going to do everything in his power to end it.
Then eat as much humble pie as he can digest and resist blaming everyone else because no one will believe him
2. Do you think Keir Starmer, DPP until 2013 has questions to answer?
4. What have Boots done?
5. A culture had developed up until 2010, and they've been on the case closing loopholes. Have you been asleep for 5 years?
I smiled out loud. We are where we are. The Tory Party treasurer with a personal wealth of £180,000,000 has just admitted to some 'vanilla' tax avoidance. The Tories have just had an enormous fund raising bash in central London. Bernie Ecclestone's playboy son-in-law got a dinner with Dave for £50,000. Someone paid £250,000 for a bust of Maggie. Meanwhile IDS has spent the last several months boasting about his bedroom tax
Bernie Ecclestone ? That name sounds familiar from somewhere, can't quite place it, but the words "donor" and "personal wealth" ring a bell, not to mention there is this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-2059617/Bernie-Ecclestone-I-paid-Gerhard-Gribkowsky-27m-avoid-tax-probe.html, and he has such nice politically correct views " "You know I've got one of those wonderful ideas ... women should be dressed in white like all the other domestic appliances." should fit in well at the Labour party.
Hattie should take the pink lady bus on a few laps of Silverstone.
Ah yes, that would do it, Labour, the party that likes to helps women.... unless they are in Rotherham.
The first time I can sense a hint of panic amongst the PB Hodges. Must be the Non-January crossover and Non-pulling away in February. God knows what it will be like if we get a Non-Tory comfortable leads in March.
Was this poll mentioned, may have missed it on here :
According to Anthony Wells, UKIP support has collapsed from 16.1% in October to 15.2% now.
I think the IPSOS MORI was actually a low outlier for UKIP, which explains the high Lab/Con shares. The gap, and other parties shares seem about right.
Ah, the BBC. The moral beacon that encourages tax avoidance among its own staff, and turned a blind eye to in house paedophiles abusing children on an industrial scale.
The trails for the programme were much the same.
I must congratulate you, Mr Watcher. I think you are the champion smearer here on PB. You also have a dab hand with vinegar.
Were you brought up in the American political system, by any chance?
The first time I can sense a hint of panic amongst the PB Hodges. Must be the Non-January crossover and Non-pulling away in February. God knows what it will be like if we get a Non-Tory comfortable leads in March.
Was this poll mentioned, may have missed it on here :
According to Anthony Wells, UKIP support has collapsed from 16.1% in October to 15.2% now.
I think the IPSOS MORI was actually a low outlier for UKIP, which explains the high Lab/Con shares. The gap, and other parties shares seem about right.
At least two injured after shots are fired during freedom of speech meeting in Copenhagen cafe where artist known for his provocative drawings of the Prophet Mohammed was speaking
Local television report window riddled with about 30 bullet holes
According to my friend who attended Millfield it was where all the dumbf#cks went..his words not mine. He went on to become a commercials director..now owns several thousand acres of land in the UK and lives rather well in California..but he is still a dumbf#ck
Roger, do you have any idea what you have proposed? You have just suggested that the tax affairs of a foreign company should be investigated because their CEO had the temerity to criticise a political party. Are you serious? Do you have any idea how frightening that suggestion is?
2. Announce an inquiry into the DPP to find out why there were no prosecutions in the last five years.
This would be the DDP that was run by the Labour Party member Keir Starmer for 4 of those 5 years I take it ?
Keir Starmer. I knew that bloke was a wrong'un back in the Gordon Brown days. I can't recall the details, but it I'm sure it was some nasty snide authoritarian pronouncements he came out with. Then we discovery he's a Labour devotee, so no surprise whatsoever.
"Given the Tories are not responding so far all that well, he may win."
Here's my five point plan which Dave can have gratis.
1. Sack Fink. Issue a statement saying how shocked he was to discover etc 2. Announce an inquiry into the DPP to find out why there were no prosecutions in the last five years. 3. Sack IDS as the unacceptable face of Torydom 4. Set up an inquiry into the affairs of Boots 5. Tell the public that a culture has developed in this country over several years and he is going to do everything in his power to end it.
Then eat as much humble pie as he can digest and resist blaming everyone else because no one will believe him
2. Do you think Keir Starmer, DPP until 2013 has questions to answer?
4. What have Boots done?
5. A culture had developed up until 2010, and they've been on the case closing loopholes. Have you been asleep for 5 years?
Given that I had read about the agreement that was negotiated with Switzerland some time ago, I am really surprised that the then DPP should be unaware of it. The purpose of the agreement is to maximise revenue collection, rather than prosecution.
@TheWatcher Referring to his father is not an answer certainly, but Dave surely had an interest in how his father became so successful? On the other hand, perhaps he had no interest in where the money came from, and the arrangements of the will? After all, the will would have been scrutinized by one of the leading exponents of tax avoidance schemes? Let's talk about Ed shall we?
Ed got terribly upset when the affairs of a dead father were discussed. Why not follow his shining example?
Why not instead talk about his mother? She's alive and Ed has already fingered her as the family tax avoider.
She arranged the DoV within two years of Gordon describing them as abused loopholes to avoid IHT
PB tories now attacking an 80 year old woman . There is no depths to the gutter they will sink to in the pursuit of partisan advantage .
Everyone was blaming the Miliboys for the DoV until Ed revealed that his mother was the sole culprit. And it was only being discussed at all because weird Ed again revealed himself to be a massively hypocritical shit.
Btw I am only one PB Tory.
By everyone you mean hypocritical partisan such as yourself .
Come one you drooling geriatric, you've had enough time to respond.
Ed Miliband has called for a “root and branch” inquiry into the culture and practices of Mirror Trinity Group into potentially the most extensive phone hacking of any news organisation HMRC amid allegations it failed to act over HSBC’s links to tax avoidance.
2. Announce an inquiry into the DPP to find out why there were no prosecutions in the last five years.
This would be the DDP that was run by the Labour Party member Keir Starmer for 4 of those 5 years I take it ?
Not just "member" but parliamentary candidate for Frank Dobson's very safe seat of Holborn & St Pancras (10,000 majority) - if there are such serious questions to be answered one wonders why he was selected in the first place?
2. Announce an inquiry into the DPP to find out why there were no prosecutions in the last five years.
This would be the DDP that was run by the Labour Party member Keir Starmer for 4 of those 5 years I take it ?
Not just "member" but parliamentary candidate for Frank Dobson's very safe seat of Holborn & St Pancras (10,000 majority) - if there are such serious questions to be answered one wonders why he was selected in the first place?
I think we should be told!
If they get in he will very likely be Attorney General, makes me shudder
2. Announce an inquiry into the DPP to find out why there were no prosecutions in the last five years.
This would be the DDP that was run by the Labour Party member Keir Starmer for 4 of those 5 years I take it ?
Not just "member" but parliamentary candidate for Frank Dobson's very safe seat of Holborn & St Pancras (10,000 majority) - if there are such serious questions to be answered one wonders why he was selected in the first place?
I think we should be told!
Outrageous. The Labour Party should suspend his candidacy pending the findings of a judge-led inquiry.
@TheWatcher Referring to his father is not an answer certainly, but Dave surely had an interest in how his father became so successful? On the other hand, perhaps he had no interest in where the money came from, and the arrangements of the will? After all, the will would have been scrutinized by one of the leading exponents of tax avoidance schemes? Let's talk about Ed shall we?
Ed got terribly upset when the affairs of a dead father were discussed. Why not follow his shining example?
Why not instead talk about his mother? She's alive and Ed has already fingered her as the family tax avoider.
She arranged the DoV within two years of Gordon describing them as abused loopholes to avoid IHT
PB tories now attacking an 80 year old woman . There is no depths to the gutter they will sink to in the pursuit of partisan advantage .
Everyone was blaming the Miliboys for the DoV until Ed revealed that his mother was the sole culprit. And it was only being discussed at all because weird Ed again revealed himself to be a massively hypocritical shit.
Btw I am only one PB Tory.
By everyone you mean hypocritical partisan such as yourself .
Come one you drooling geriatric, you've had enough time to respond.
Ed Miliband has called for a “root and branch” inquiry into the culture and practices of Mirror Trinity Group into potentially the most extensive phone hacking of any news organisation HMRC amid allegations it failed to act over HSBC’s links to tax avoidance.
2. Announce an inquiry into the DPP to find out why there were no prosecutions in the last five years.
(Announce an inquiry into the DPP to find out why there were no prosecutions in the last five years.) This would be the DDP that was run by the Labour Party member Keir Starmer for 4 of those 5 years I take it ?
The first time I can sense a hint of panic amongst the PB Hodges. Must be the Non-January crossover and Non-pulling away in February. God knows what it will be like if we get a Non-Tory comfortable leads in March.
Was this poll mentioned, may have missed it on here :
According to Anthony Wells, UKIP support has collapsed from 16.1% in October to 15.2% now.
I think the IPSOS MORI was actually a low outlier for UKIP, which explains the high Lab/Con shares. The gap, and other parties shares seem about right.
@TheWatcher Referring to his father is not an answer certainly, but Dave surely had an interest in how his father became so successful? On the other hand, perhaps he had no interest in where the money came from, and the arrangements of the will? After all, the will would have been scrutinized by one of the leading exponents of tax avoidance schemes? Let's talk about Ed shall we?
Ed got terribly upset when the affairs of a dead father were discussed. Why not follow his shining example?
Why not instead talk about his mother? She's alive and Ed has already fingered her as the family tax avoider.
She arranged the DoV within two years of Gordon describing them as abused loopholes to avoid IHT
PB tories now attacking an 80 year old woman . There is no depths to the gutter they will sink to in the pursuit of partisan advantage .
Everyone was blaming the Miliboys for the DoV until Ed revealed that his mother was the sole culprit. And it was only being discussed at all because weird Ed again revealed himself to be a massively hypocritical shit.
Btw I am only one PB Tory.
By everyone you mean hypocritical partisan such as yourself .
Come one you drooling geriatric, you've had enough time to respond.
Ed Miliband has called for a “root and branch” inquiry into the culture and practices of Mirror Trinity Group into potentially the most extensive phone hacking of any news organisation HMRC amid allegations it failed to act over HSBC’s links to tax avoidance.
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What do you make of the Mirror and their industrial scale phone hacking, or the hypocritical Guardian based in the Caymans and a user of hedge funds? Are they 'vile' as well, if not why not?
Goodness - what is it with the kipper love-fest for Putin - we know you hate the EU, but really.
How am I a hypocrite?
Back it up or retract it.
Tell me how I'm a hypocrite.
OK then
It was in fact a political broadcast by the BBC and Anita Anand on behalf of the Labour Party
The trails for the programme were much the same.
Bath your head in vinegar Felix. I support neither Putin or Russia in any way; just stating a fact that there are warmongers, liars and cheats on the western side, too. As for the EU, it must take a major part of the blame for the ousting of Viktor Yanukovych and the start of this crisis
And of the £34 billion 'tax gap' of the tax that should be raised, but isn't, how much is due to 'tax avoidance'?
90%?
75%?
50%?
Surely it must be more than 40%?
No? 20%?
Actually, less than 10% at £3.1 billion
Add in 'evasion' at £4.1 billion it amounts to a massive 21% of tax that should have been collected that wasn't.
I wonder what Ed's plans for the other 79% are?
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/364009/4382_Measuring_Tax_Gaps_2014_IW_v4B_accessible_20141014.pdf
'Anna Soubry's good isn't she? "
Talking of which where's Nick? He's had to come-often single handed-and defend Labour's position and now that they have something to talk about he's gone AWOL!
Parisse's leg cast enough doubt for me
https://twitter.com/MarkLewisLawyer
I lost my faith in the TMOs after the 2007 World Cup Final, when he denied England a try, which would have ensured yet another World Cup trophy for England.
The SNP position is on Trident, not nuclear weapons ! Britain is still adequately protected by nuclear weapons, if we need them at all.
Oops, I forgot we are a world power with 6 aircrafts bombing the hell out of IS in Iraq ! And, 2 aircraft carriers with aircrafts on them. The Harriers having been sold for scrap metal.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11413154/Ed-Miliband-calls-for-root-and-branch-inquiry-into-HMRC.html
Still, at least Ed Balls knows where all the loopholes are buried.
The first option would be unlikely as the unions have been threatening to create a new party if Ed continues with austerity. I believe a number of MPs have threatened to quite as well. So he will have to go down the France route of borrowing more and ramp up taxes.
"It's David Cameron who has been clearing up Labour's mess - investing in HMRC to increase the number of prosecutions of tax dodgers, putting reform of the way multinational companies are taxed at the top of the G8 agenda and closing loopholes that the richest were exploiting under Labour.
"So the question for Ed Miliband is whether this inquiry would include Labour's record during the age of irresponsibility that he was at the heart of."
1 Smear anyone whose not a left winger or union
2 Ignore any facts
3 Promise unlimited spending on anything you fancy funded by the magic money tree.
Given the Tories are not responding so far all that well, he may win.
Thanks for pointing it out, Gunslinger !
What we are seeing is the growth of hugely complex and aggressive tax avoidance schemes, often based offshore.
“The sort of activity that has left the United Kingdom a £34 billion hole in our nation’s finances.
http://press.labour.org.uk/post/110986640489/miliband-promises-to-shine-a-light-into-britains
Avoidance & evasion account for 21% of the £34 billion.
What about the other 79% Ed?
“The culture and practices of HMRC went wrong under Labour - when top bankers paid lower tax rates than their cleaners, foreigners didn't pay capital gains tax and the richest people routinely avoided paying stamp duty.
"It's David Cameron who has been clearing up Labour's mess - investing in HMRC to increase the number of prosecutions of tax dodgers, putting reform of the way multinational companies are taxed at the top of the G8 agenda and closing loopholes that the richest were exploiting under Labour.
"So the question for Ed Miliband is whether this inquiry would include Labour's record during the age of irresponsibility that he was at the heart of."
I smiled out loud. We are where we are. The Tory Party treasurer with a personal wealth of £180,000,000 has just admitted to some 'vanilla' tax avoidance. The Tories have just had an enormous fund raising bash in central London. Bernie Ecclestone's playboy son-in-law got a dinner with Dave for £50,000. Someone paid £250,000 for a bust of Maggie. Meanwhile IDS has spent the last several months boasting about his bedroom tax
.....Somehow I don't think too many are concentrating on Ed Milibands affairs at the moment.
Because this government has simply shrugged its shoulders over tax avoidance.
“It has failed to take action on tax havens.
“We will act.
The coalition has done more in 5 years on 'tax havens' than Labour did in 13.
Remember those cheap CDs & DVDs from Amazon Jersey?
No more.
Flourished under Labour.
Shut down by the coalition.
A Labour government will take action by:
Forcing the UK’s Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies to produce publicly available registries of beneficial ownership
How exactly?
We don't report to you mate, we report to the queen.....
Going to send in the troops? (I probably shouldn't give a Labour PM ideas....)
Was this poll mentioned, may have missed it on here :
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/has-the-ukip-bubble-burst-new-poll-shows-big-gains-for-labour-and-tories-at-expense-of-lib-dems-and-nigel-farages-party-10041358.html
"£180 million. Not bad for a grammar school boy."
Manchester Grammar too. My brother went there. I must ask him if they taught 'Tax Planning'
According to Anthony Wells, UKIP support has collapsed from 16.1% in October to 15.2% now.
"Given the Tories are not responding so far all that well, he may win."
Here's my five point plan which Dave can have gratis.
1. Sack Fink. Issue a statement saying how shocked he was to discover etc
2. Announce an inquiry into the DPP to find out why there were no prosecutions in the last five years.
3. Sack IDS as the unacceptable face of Torydom
4. Set up an inquiry into the affairs of Boots
5. Tell the public that a culture has developed in this country over several years and he is going to do everything in his power to end it.
Then eat as much humble pie as he can digest and resist blaming everyone else because no one will believe him
Do you have a problem with people wanting to build up a nest-egg for themselves, their children or grandchildren, them wanting to boost their pension provision, so they can enjoy a comfortable retirement, to protect their family’s income, so they have enough money if the worst happens, or wanting to get the best possible income from their pension?
4. What have Boots done?
5. A culture had developed up until 2010, and they've been on the case closing loopholes. Have you been asleep for 5 years?
"Is your brother the clever one? In my day, Millfield is where the 'more sporting' were sent."
Yes he is and yes I was the sporting one.
Were you brought up in the American political system, by any chance?
UKIP 1 October to now
Average does appear to be drifting down, but the noise-level is huge. Not sure how much can be discerned from this.
Local television report window riddled with about 30 bullet holes
I think we should be told!
16.11 It is not yet known who is behind the shooting. Two gunmen are said to be on the run, in a dark-coloured Volkswagen polo.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/11413226/Copenhagen-shooting-during-debate-on-Islam-live.html
Tories down across the board but by how much?
There is only one way to settle this...
;-)
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9244
Calling fellow a poster a " drooling geriatric" is not acceptable.
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What the poll will actually be is another matter - could be anything from a 3 point Con lead to a 5 pt Labour lead.