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edited February 2015 in General

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Tonight’s Marf cartoon – on HSBC

Marf with her take on today's big story pic.twitter.com/fqkS1V6UPV

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  • First!
  • FPT:

    Dair said:

    Lol my FoI request on Murphy's Irn Bru claims made Guido.

    How did your FOI request into Salmond's Chicago bill fare?
    How did yours go, or have you got complacent and lazy letting the Telegraph, Mail, Express etc do that stuff for you?

    The Sunday Post:

    The Sunday Post reported he [Salmond] also spent almost £800 on “subsistence” at the Peninsula

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10978937/Alex-Salmond-finally-publishes-five-star-hotel-list.html

    So £1.30 vs £800.......
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Bugger!
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    Welcome to 1970s East Germany, sorry 2010s Scotland. pic.twitter.com/XPgGqDWmxO

    — A Libertarian Rebel (@A_Liberty_Rebel) February 9, 2015
  • Just stuck nighthawks in
  • If 17 is old enough for Alexander to destroy the Theban Sacred Band, it's old enough to be an MP, assuming the lad's up to it.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    With no strings, for the attention of HYUFD and Isam, should they be interested:

    http://tinyurl.com/
  • Paul_Mid_BedsPaul_Mid_Beds Posts: 1,409
    edited February 2015
    MikeK said:

    Welcome to 1970s East Germany, sorry 2010s Scotland. pic.twitter.com/XPgGqDWmxO

    — A Libertarian Rebel (@A_Liberty_Rebel) February 9, 2015

    Scary. And coming to us too if Milipede wins I suspect. However I wouldn't put Camoron and May past doing something like this either, hence no point in voting Tory instead of UKIP to keep Milipede out.

    Might as well vote for who I want to even if it lets Labour in. Better to have a bunch of cultural marxists who have some conscience about the poor than the present bunch who just seem to want to enrich their wealthy friends at all costs (even if that cost is pretending to be cultural marxists to keep the lower orders in check).
  • isam said:
    Lol!

    You have no idea how long I have spent trying to track that down. It's now clear why the 'heavy' dictionaries don't help, and the origins are obscured in the mists of time.

    Those look like superb books. Where did you find them?
  • "Tomorrow is the 709th anniversary of Robert the Bruce murdering John Comyn which sparked revolution in the Scottish Wars of Independence"

    Strange way to express things. The wars started 10 years earlier when Edward Longshanks made the mistake of invading Scotland. All the dispatch of Comyn did was to clarify the Scottish resistance.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    scotslass said:

    "Tomorrow is the 709th anniversary of Robert the Bruce murdering John Comyn which sparked revolution in the Scottish Wars of Independence"

    Strange way to express things. The wars started 10 years earlier when Edward Longshanks made the mistake of invading Scotland. All the dispatch of Comyn did was to clarify the Scottish resistance.

    Was it because he stayed at the Peninsula too?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    Honestly, that 17 year old candidate looks older than me at 25 and better able to grow facial hair to boot, so on a purely physical level he looks the part better than I would even now.

    It would be a rare person so young who would actually be able to do the job well, but since he's not going to win, I hope he has fun at least, and the same for any other young candidates.

    I also like the comment shown in the piece about how the BBC promote UKIP.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited February 2015
    I hope yokel is around, there are rumours that ISIS has captured 3 western journalists including one working for the BBC from the Kobane area.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Latest ARSE 2015 General Election & "JackW Dozen" Projection Countdown :

    14 hours
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    5. Hard to argue with that. But even though the short term tactics are making the problem more apparent, as a Unionist my feeling is the problem is simply not enough people actually like the Union anymore. Fear and enough residual affection was able to stem the tide in Scotland for a time, but most seem in favour mostly on grounds of not rocking the status quo, not out of real strength of feeling (I hope I am wrong in that). Without that changing, the next crisis will always be able to shake the foundations of the Union.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    The last time I filled up my car, I paid $1.69 per gallon. 10 days later prices are back above $2 at $2,03.

    Crude oil prices, though up slightly, aren't up much. WTI is almost $53, Brent is about $57.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    JackW said:

    Latest ARSE 2015 General Election & "JackW Dozen" Projection Countdown :

    14 hours

    I though it was supposed to be revealed last week.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Speedy said:

    JackW said:

    Latest ARSE 2015 General Election & "JackW Dozen" Projection Countdown :

    14 hours

    I though it was supposed to be revealed last week.
    Maybe - unlike Madonna on the Grammys last night - he doesn't like showing his ARSE :-)
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    kle4 said:

    5. Hard to argue with that. But even though the short term tactics are making the problem more apparent, as a Unionist my feeling is the problem is simply not enough people actually like the Union anymore. Fear and enough residual affection was able to stem the tide in Scotland for a time, but most seem in favour mostly on grounds of not rocking the status quo, not out of real strength of feeling (I hope I am wrong in that). Without that changing, the next crisis will always be able to shake the foundations of the Union.

    In 20 years the SNP will probably be back in the gutter, North Sea oil will no longer exist by then.
    That's how long it took the BQ.
  • Mr. kle4, if that's impressive, I can state I had my first shave when I was 12.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    1. There seems some sense to the various scenarios proposed. I'm skeptical even in a best case scenario the party would countenance another coalition arrangement, but under current predictions they won't be able to even if they wanted, and slightly better than that leaves them too bruised with too little influence to offer to make even a less formal arrangement viable.

    With Hames and Swinson both likely going, I wonder if married coupled MPs have lost their seats at the same time before.

    This also looks like a sensible statement:

    If I am right, it will not be enough for the Conservatives to gain most seats to stay in power. They will need to get a sufficient number of seats so as to make it practically impossible for any other stable government to be formed.

    A tough ask.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,312
    edited February 2015
    Tim_B said:

    The last time I filled up my car, I paid $1.69 per gallon. 10 days later prices are back above $2 at $2,03.

    Crude oil prices, though up slightly, aren't up much. WTI is almost $53, Brent is about $57.

    In comparison I recently paid £1.039 a litre at a JET station, and yesterday £1.059 at Shell, although both have since added a penny on.

  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited February 2015
    Tim_B said:

    The last time I filled up my car, I paid $1.69 per gallon. 10 days later prices are back above $2 at $2,03.

    Crude oil prices, though up slightly, aren't up much. WTI is almost $53, Brent is about $57.

    Pitty you don't have an oil tanker, there is a problem finding space to put all the extra oil somewhere.
    There is worldwide glut of the stuff of the size that kind of reminds me of a danger mouse episode about custard.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    6. Is there really that much talk of a second election around? Labour are much less confident than perhaps they should be, the Tories wildly overconfident, and neither attitude would seem friendly to the idea of thinking about second elections.

    2.However, the media mood is fickle by nature, and the lobby will get tired of keel-hauling Miliband – at least, if the polls don’t move. What will happens if they haven’t by the end of next month?

    An interesting question indeed. At some point it becomes impossible to ignore the possibility that there will not be a swing to the Tories significant enough to lead to victory, even if it is felt that would be a fair outcome.

    3. I'm not even going to look at the study. Mainstream at least no-one seems to have called the financial crisis right, and every step along the way something majorly surprised economists and political thinkers. Maybe it would grow faster under Labour, maybe it wouldn't, people won't know what to believe in such a dry argument and will vote their gut. If they think Labour will not be a disaster, that will be enough, not least because if deficit reduction does slow things for the Tories, they'll just delay it again.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,020
    edited February 2015
    FPT TimB said:

    Some bright spark has come up with a gadget you attach to a gun barrel to make bullets 'less lethal'.

    Obviously you want a low key trial to evaluate the product.

    So what's the best place to have a police department evaluate it?

    Yup - Ferguson Missouri.

    http://rt.com/usa/229311-ferguson-police-less-lethal/


    Had to say that after a truly lousy day that genuinely had me laughing out loud.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    edited February 2015

    Mr. kle4, if that's impressive, I can state I had my first shave when I was 12.

    That is impressive. For Mr Burrows and others I am sure it is normal to appear so at his age, it is just that I suffer from chronic babyface.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    FPT:

    Dair said:

    Lol my FoI request on Murphy's Irn Bru claims made Guido.

    How did your FOI request into Salmond's Chicago bill fare?
    How did yours go, or have you got complacent and lazy letting the Telegraph, Mail, Express etc do that stuff for you?

    The Sunday Post:

    The Sunday Post reported he [Salmond] also spent almost £800 on “subsistence” at the Peninsula

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10978937/Alex-Salmond-finally-publishes-five-star-hotel-list.html

    So £1.30 vs £800.......
    LOL, Tories fighting tooth and nail in support of labour MP's now, Murphy has only had £1M + expenses so far as well. Thought you would be grovelling at the Tory donor fest tonight.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Speedy said:

    JackW said:

    Latest ARSE 2015 General Election & "JackW Dozen" Projection Countdown :

    14 hours

    I though it was supposed to be revealed last week.
    No.

    It's fortnightly on a Tuesday until the end of February and then will be bi-weekly on a Tuesday and Saturday until election day.

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498
    Speedy said:

    kle4 said:

    5. Hard to argue with that. But even though the short term tactics are making the problem more apparent, as a Unionist my feeling is the problem is simply not enough people actually like the Union anymore. Fear and enough residual affection was able to stem the tide in Scotland for a time, but most seem in favour mostly on grounds of not rocking the status quo, not out of real strength of feeling (I hope I am wrong in that). Without that changing, the next crisis will always be able to shake the foundations of the Union.

    In 20 years the SNP will probably be back in the gutter, North Sea oil will no longer exist by then.
    That's how long it took the BQ.
    I seriously doubt they will be joining you any time soon
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:
    Lol!

    You have no idea how long I have spent trying to track that down. It's now clear why the 'heavy' dictionaries don't help, and the origins are obscured in the mists of time.

    Those look like superb books. Where did you find them?
    I just googled Cherry hogs and ended up there!

    At IG we used to have a massive punter who phoned up for the dogs (and everything else) and first time I answered he asked "what are your cherries?"

    I had no idea what he was on about!!
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    The last time I filled up my car, I paid $1.69 per gallon. 10 days later prices are back above $2 at $2,03.

    Crude oil prices, though up slightly, aren't up much. WTI is almost $53, Brent is about $57.

    In comparison I recently paid £1.039 a litre at a JET station, and yesterday £1.059 at Shell, although both have since added a penny on.

    That was a 15% rise in 10 days, and it's all price hike, as taxes here are a flat amount per gallon regardless of fuel price.

    From what I recall all the UK fuel taxes and fees are percentage based, and represent about 75% of the pump price.
  • Hush now, The Walking Dead is back on...

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Jaywick on Ch5.. I canvassed there for Carswell, unbelievable place
  • isam said:

    isam said:
    Lol!

    You have no idea how long I have spent trying to track that down. It's now clear why the 'heavy' dictionaries don't help, and the origins are obscured in the mists of time.

    Those look like superb books. Where did you find them?
    I just googled Cherry hogs and ended up there!

    At IG we used to have a massive punter who phoned up for the dogs (and everything else) and first time I answered he asked "what are your cherries?"

    I had no idea what he was on about!!
    My old man used to go to the 'Cherries' at Wembley and occasionally White City, good to know what it means after all this time. I had a mate who left school and went straight to being a pro punter on the dogs, he was unbelievably good, love to know what he does now
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Hush now, The Walking Dead is back on...

    Watched it last night. I find it very slow paced. Do you have the Talking Dead program on afterwards?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498
    Tim_B said:

    Tim_B said:

    The last time I filled up my car, I paid $1.69 per gallon. 10 days later prices are back above $2 at $2,03.

    Crude oil prices, though up slightly, aren't up much. WTI is almost $53, Brent is about $57.

    In comparison I recently paid £1.039 a litre at a JET station, and yesterday £1.059 at Shell, although both have since added a penny on.

    That was a 15% rise in 10 days, and it's all price hike, as taxes here are a flat amount per gallon regardless of fuel price.

    From what I recall all the UK fuel taxes and fees are percentage based, and represent about 75% of the pump price.
    yes and we all still have outside privy's
  • Mr. Barber, had me wondering for a minute, but that's pay TV, right?

    Mr. kle4, at the time I was pleased. Now, I just find shaving tedious. Still, having my voice drop practically overnight was handy. No embarrassing squeaky transition.
  • No spoilers on The Walking Dead, please.
  • After a disappointing 4th series, i found the 1st half of this one really good! Slow pace to this one so far, but still get a creeping dread from it. Ooh, is that Noah's mum...?
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    No spoilers on The Walking Dead, please.

    My lips are sealed.....
  • Mr Dancer, it's on Fox...
  • Tim_B said:

    Tim_B said:

    The last time I filled up my car, I paid $1.69 per gallon. 10 days later prices are back above $2 at $2,03.

    Crude oil prices, though up slightly, aren't up much. WTI is almost $53, Brent is about $57.

    In comparison I recently paid £1.039 a litre at a JET station, and yesterday £1.059 at Shell, although both have since added a penny on.

    That was a 15% rise in 10 days, and it's all price hike, as taxes here are a flat amount per gallon regardless of fuel price.

    From what I recall all the UK fuel taxes and fees are percentage based, and represent about 75% of the pump price.
    There's a flat rate component and a percentage component. You can see it here.

    With the current duty rate of £0.5795 per litre and the VAT rate of 20%, the average petrol price of £1.06 per litre is: £0.1767 VAT + £0.5795 fuel duty + £0.3038 to the retailer. Just under 72% is tax. The tax take will be slightly lower as a percentage for diesel, because the price is higher.
  • But...

    I really hate this trend for mid-season breaks.


    OH SHIT TYREESE!
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    I'm surprised the likely remaining Lib Dems are predominantly left leaning, I would have assumed they were mainly soft Tory Jeremy Browne types in the South.

    It possibly has implications on Labour's direction after May as well, the left will start to look very crowded with a rejuvenated Farron led Lib Dems, as well as the nationalists and Greens around.
  • @Nigel4England

    The dogs were always a good medium for shrewd punters. If you went regularly to the same track, as my Dad did, you got to know the form inside out and if you bet sensibly, you could easily outdo the bookies.

    Although my family was unquestionably working class, we never went without and enjoyed many luxuries. It was all paid for by Clapton dogs !
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited February 2015
    On item 1: It's not often that I disagree with betting analysis by the great antifrank, but is he actually right this time round? Looking at his four categories of LibDem hopes, I really couldn't see much left/right imbalance between those likely to keep their seats and those likely to lose them.

    In addition, even if that weren't the case, the decision will be taken by the whole party, not just the MPs. The New Statesman article which antifrank dismisses (loftily, as is right and proper for a lawyer!) actually makes a very good point about the probable 2015 LibDem voters, as opposed to MPs.

    And then there are the activists, who will have the key say. The Labour-lite ones have gone, have they not? So we should expect that the rump of the party is less left-wing, not more left-wing, than its 2010 counterpart.
  • Shan't give away any details (be hypocritical if I did) but I really liked the first half of the 4th season. The second half less so.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,514
    edited February 2015
    If there was ever a good example of why Panorama doesn't work as a half hour program, it was tonight.

    BBC / Guardian have been hyping this story up as scandal of the century and in 25 mins basically you don't ever really find out very much beyond the broadest of overviews, plus doorstepping some random bloke who runs a small shop in London doesn't really add to the story.

    What I can't really work out was what new we learned since 4-5 years ago? A suggestion that maybe HSBC still talk to high value customers about arranging their wealth to minimize tax?

    The computer guy stole his info in 2007, tax man got it in 2010, most people have now declared accounts that were previously hidden and paid up.

    I notice they managed to avoid mentioning that a certain dodger gave Labour £2 million though.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    @Nigel4England

    The dogs were always a good medium for shrewd punters. If you went regularly to the same track, as my Dad did, you got to know the form inside out and if you bet sensibly, you could easily outdo the bookies.

    Although my family was unquestionably working class, we never went without and enjoyed many luxuries. It was all paid for by Clapton dogs !

    My Dad was born next door to Romford Dogs.. nr the big "IF" sign!!
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited February 2015

    After a disappointing 4th series, i found the 1st half of this one really good! Slow pace to this one so far, but still get a creeping dread from it. Ooh, is that Noah's mum...?

    I find I can watch an episode in less than 30 minutes, by fast forwarding through bits where nothing happens, which is a lot.

    Then Talking Dead comes on, live, featuring a couple of folks from the cast and crew, and they talk and take viewers questions on the episode for an hour. It's bizarre.
  • No spoilers on The Walking Dead, please.

    Yes, I have watched 9 episodes since Saturday and I still haven't finished Series 3.
  • Mr D,

    Face it though... Even a poor WD series is better than no series at all...
    Need my Zombie Fix.

  • Tim_B said:

    After a disappointing 4th series, i found the 1st half of this one really good! Slow pace to this one so far, but still get a creeping dread from it. Ooh, is that Noah's mum...?

    I find I can watch an episode in less than 30 minutes, by fast forwarding through bits where nothing happens, which is a lot.

    Then Talking Dead comes on, live, featuring a couple of folks from the cast and crew, and they talk and take viewers questions on the episode for an hour. It's bizarre.
    Don't get the Talking Dead here, is it online?
  • Mr. Alan, I really liked the third series. Perhaps the best one so far, although the first half of the fourth is rather good.

    It's a bit odd with TV on demand and some stuff on pay TV or free-to-air just how people can be at completely different places with TV programmes. It's interesting describing stuff precisely enough that others know exactly what you mean if they've seen it, and have no idea if they have not.
  • Mr. Barber, I can take or leave zombies, as a whole.

    That said, The Last Of Us is arguably the best videogame ever made. If you have a PS3 or PS4 and haven't played it, I would strongly advise doing so.
  • isam said:

    @Nigel4England

    The dogs were always a good medium for shrewd punters. If you went regularly to the same track, as my Dad did, you got to know the form inside out and if you bet sensibly, you could easily outdo the bookies.

    Although my family was unquestionably working class, we never went without and enjoyed many luxuries. It was all paid for by Clapton dogs !

    My Dad was born next door to Romford Dogs.. nr the big "IF" sign!!
    The old man reckoned the dogs were straighter than the horses, not least because they didn't have anybody on their backs messing them about!
  • This is surely a bad omen for Spurs tomorrow night...


    Lord Ashcroft retweeted

    The Screaming Eagles‏@TSEofPB·59 mins59 minutes ago
    @LordAshcroft We all make mistakes, at least one of your polls wasn't accused of costing the UK £45bn http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2763847/Did-rogue-poll-cost-Britain-45bn-Analysis-SIMON-WALTERS.html
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    edited February 2015

    Mr. Barber, I can take or leave zombies, as a whole.

    That said, The Last Of Us is arguably the best videogame ever made. If you have a PS3 or PS4 and haven't played it, I would strongly advise doing so.

    I have a 3 year old and a 9 month old... I have no time for video games anymore. (last scary game I played was Eternal Darkness (sanity's requiem)... I had Resident Evil Zero on the wii, but i didn't finish it)
  • But...

    I really hate this trend for mid-season breaks.


    OH SHIT TYREESE!

    I can see some cases where it is valid and necessary. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D has had a break in both the US and UK after 10 episodes. This serves a number of purposes. The nature of the programme meant it is difficult to film fast enough for a 22 episode season to be completed in time. It also has to tie in with the films and do so without giving anything away about the films before they are released. This caused a lot of hassle for the producers of the first season and is one reason for the current break in season 2. Finally it has allowed an associated series (Agent Carter) to be shown during the gap which ties in with the main series.

    What I really hate is E4 having random gaps in Big Bang Theory even though it is currently their highest rating show and is continuing without breaks in the US.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    After a disappointing 4th series, i found the 1st half of this one really good! Slow pace to this one so far, but still get a creeping dread from it. Ooh, is that Noah's mum...?

    I find I can watch an episode in less than 30 minutes, by fast forwarding through bits where nothing happens, which is a lot.

    Then Talking Dead comes on, live, featuring a couple of folks from the cast and crew, and they talk and take viewers questions on the episode for an hour. It's bizarre.
    Don't get the Talking Dead here, is it online?
    It follows WD on AMC on Sunday evenings. Google talking dead and you will find it.

    WARNING - as soon as you get to the page you will know what happened in the latest episode.
  • Item number 4 is a must-read - very interesting indeed.
  • Mr. Barber, if you have any time, it really is worth it.

    That said, it's absolutely not child-friendly.

    Mr. Tyndall, weirdly, Channel 4 don't seem to be picking up Agent Carter.

    Still waiting for the mid-season breaks of Gotham and Supermodels of SHIELD to end.
  • isam said:

    Jaywick on Ch5.. I canvassed there for Carswell, unbelievable place

    Extraordinary place. As an ex-local I find the fact it persists in its current state utterly appalling. The transport around there is very poor which makes it much more isolated than it looks on the map, which perhaps helps explains how such a pocket of deprivation can exist even in one of the UK's wealthiest counties.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited February 2015

    Mr. Alan, I really liked the third series. Perhaps the best one so far, although the first half of the fourth is rather good.

    It's a bit odd with TV on demand and some stuff on pay TV or free-to-air just how people can be at completely different places with TV programmes. It's interesting describing stuff precisely enough that others know exactly what you mean if they've seen it, and have no idea if they have not.

    In my case this is the first series of WD I've seen on TV -previously I've seen them all on dvd.

    In other programming notes, the sequel to Breaking Bad started last night, with the second episode this evening.
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    edited February 2015
    (edit) - Mr D, haha... If I have any time.. LOLzzzzzzzzzz

    Is Gotham any good?

    Of course, it all takes a back seat on April 10th
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806

    isam said:

    Jaywick on Ch5.. I canvassed there for Carswell, unbelievable place

    Extraordinary place. As an ex-local I find the fact it persists in its current state utterly appalling. The transport around there is very poor which makes it much more isolated than it looks on the map, which perhaps helps explains how such a pocket of deprivation can exist even in one of the UK's wealthiest counties.
    Were the characters ukip voters?

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    edited February 2015
    Mr. Barber, it took a little while to get going, but I like it rather a lot. The Penguin, bizarrely, is the most interesting character. He's bloody creepy.

    What happens on the 10th of April?

    Edited extra bit: well, it's out for PS4 and that generation will last probably until 2022 or longer.

    Mr. B, I've been watching Game of Thrones entirely on DVD.
  • carlotta

    I have no particular interest in this rubbish except my (then) partner was on the Visit Scotland/ Scottish Enterprise "Ryder Cup" trip.

    Salmond was first accused by the Telegraph of spending £500,000 at the golf. Then when it was pointed out that this was the ENTIRE cost of the Visit Scotland promotion and advertising of the country to the billion strong TV audience he was accused of spending £50,000. Then it was pointed out that this this was the cost of the ENTIRE Scottish Government delegation including travel he was accused of spending £3,000 on the Peninsula Hotel when everyone else was at the golf hotel. Then when it was pointed out that Salmond actually stayed at the course hotel he was accused of needlessly spending £3,000 in Chicago. Then when it was pointed out that this was the hotel bill including the rooms used for all of the Scottish Government investment meetings in the week before the golf he was accused of spending £800 on subsistence. In fact a few minutes research will show you that this is the Telegraph repeating a Sunday Post claim that the difference between £3,800 on a card and £3,000 on a hotel bill must be subsistence. In fact it is clear from the original information is that the civil service card was used to pay for all meeting rooms and hospitality for inward investors. Finally my former partner is not of my persuasion but freely testifies that as a civil servant he has never seen anyone work harder or more successfully than Salmond when chasing investment for Scotland. A link to what was achieved that week in 2012 can be found on this release from Visit Scotland

    PROMOTING SCOTLAND AS THE NEXT HOST OF THE RYDER CUP

    In other words the entire story was always a cooked up Telegraph crock of nonsence and it is ludicrous to see you repeating it now.

  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    edited February 2015

    If there was ever a good example of why Panorama doesn't work as a half hour program, it was tonight.

    BBC / Guardian have been hyping this story up as scandal of the century and in 25 mins basically you don't ever really find out very much beyond the broadest of overviews, plus doorstepping some random bloke who runs a small shop in London doesn't really add to the story.

    What I can't really work out was what new we learned since 4-5 years ago? A suggestion that maybe HSBC still talk to high value customers about arranging their wealth to minimize tax?

    The computer guy stole his info in 2007, tax man got it in 2010, most people have now declared accounts that were previously hidden and paid up.

    I notice they managed to avoid mentioning that a certain dodger gave Labour £2 million though.

    Ms Hodge and her Committee are going to hold an inquiry into this ancient story in an attempt to continue to smear the Tories in the run up to the election. Of course the wrong doing was under the Labour government which did nothing about such activities!

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited February 2015

    isam said:

    Jaywick on Ch5.. I canvassed there for Carswell, unbelievable place

    Extraordinary place. As an ex-local I find the fact it persists in its current state utterly appalling. The transport around there is very poor which makes it much more isolated than it looks on the map, which perhaps helps explains how such a pocket of deprivation can exist even in one of the UK's wealthiest counties.
    The only thing for it really is to demolish the whole kaboodle and start again... the residents could be put up in caravan park that's all the homes are anyway

    The mad thing is that the roads (dirt tracks) are owned by the residents not the council, and so are in a permanent state of disrepair.. a really sad atmosphere there, but big potential its in a great spot!
  • isam said:

    @Nigel4England

    The dogs were always a good medium for shrewd punters. If you went regularly to the same track, as my Dad did, you got to know the form inside out and if you bet sensibly, you could easily outdo the bookies.

    Although my family was unquestionably working class, we never went without and enjoyed many luxuries. It was all paid for by Clapton dogs !

    My Dad was born next door to Romford Dogs.. nr the big "IF" sign!!
    The old man reckoned the dogs were straighter than the horses, not least because they didn't have anybody on their backs messing them about!
    My old man reckoned they were as bent as a nine bob note!
  • Ah, 10th April... Netflix release the entire Daredevil series. See trailer here
  • Speedy

    You need to get with it. Oil went through $60 at 6 pm this evening and will be around in 50 years time.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited February 2015
    perdix said:

    isam said:

    Jaywick on Ch5.. I canvassed there for Carswell, unbelievable place

    Extraordinary place. As an ex-local I find the fact it persists in its current state utterly appalling. The transport around there is very poor which makes it much more isolated than it looks on the map, which perhaps helps explains how such a pocket of deprivation can exist even in one of the UK's wealthiest counties.
    Were the characters ukip voters?

    I canvassed there on election day with Suzanne Evans and Farage was knocking on doors down the next street.. a surreal experience!
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    I would like either a Scottish Turnout Market or a Scottish Turnout vs UK Turnout Market for this GE.
  • Mr. Barber, ah. Not got Netflix.

    I'll tell you something weird. Apparently, the Flash and Green Arrow (from the series) will not be the same Flash and Green Arrow (either actors or continuity) when DC finally makes whatever its equivalent of the Avengers is. So, they'll have two parallel continuities for TV and film running.

    Maybe it'll work, but Marvel's integrated approach with SHIELD seems far better to me.
  • perdix said:

    If there was ever a good example of why Panorama doesn't work as a half hour program, it was tonight.

    BBC / Guardian have been hyping this story up as scandal of the century and in 25 mins basically you don't ever really find out very much beyond the broadest of overviews, plus doorstepping some random bloke who runs a small shop in London doesn't really add to the story.

    What I can't really work out was what new we learned since 4-5 years ago? A suggestion that maybe HSBC still talk to high value customers about arranging their wealth to minimize tax?

    The computer guy stole his info in 2007, tax man got it in 2010, most people have now declared accounts that were previously hidden and paid up.

    I notice they managed to avoid mentioning that a certain dodger gave Labour £2 million though.

    Ms Hodge and her Committee are going to hold an inquiry into this ancient story in an attempt to continue to smear the Tories in the run up to the election. Of course the wrong doing was under the Labour government which did nothing about such activities!

    I am presuming with 1100+ high net worth individuals on the UK list, there is plenty of embarrassment to be had if the "right" names get leaked, as I doubt all of them are just random joe bloggs who runs a small London shop.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    scotslass said:

    carlotta

    I have no particular interest in this rubbish except my (then) partner was on the Visit Scotland/ Scottish Enterprise "Ryder Cup" trip.

    Salmond was first accused by the Telegraph of spending £500,000 at the golf. Then when it was pointed out that this was the ENTIRE cost of the Visit Scotland promotion and advertising of the country to the billion strong TV audience he was accused of spending £50,000. Then it was pointed out that this this was the cost of the ENTIRE Scottish Government delegation including travel he was accused of spending £3,000 on the Peninsula Hotel when everyone else was at the golf hotel. Then when it was pointed out that Salmond actually stayed at the course hotel he was accused of needlessly spending £3,000 in Chicago. Then when it was pointed out that this was the hotel bill including the rooms used for all of the Scottish Government investment meetings in the week before the golf he was accused of spending £800 on subsistence. In fact a few minutes research will show you that this is the Telegraph repeating a Sunday Post claim that the difference between £3,800 on a card and £3,000 on a hotel bill must be subsistence. In fact it is clear from the original information is that the civil service card was used to pay for all meeting rooms and hospitality for inward investors. Finally my former partner is not of my persuasion but freely testifies that as a civil servant he has never seen anyone work harder or more successfully than Salmond when chasing investment for Scotland. A link to what was achieved that week in 2012 can be found on this release from Visit Scotland

    PROMOTING SCOTLAND AS THE NEXT HOST OF THE RYDER CUP

    In other words the entire story was always a cooked up Telegraph crock of nonsence and it is ludicrous to see you repeating it now.

    It was still a total waste of money and ripping off taxpayers- the TV networks here promoted the hell out of it for the simple reason they paid for the rights and needed a big rating to make money. The Scottish government didn't need to do a thing. It was wall to wall coverage

    http://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/nbc-decides-broadcast-entire-2014-ryder-cup-live-first-time-ever
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    perdix said:

    If there was ever a good example of why Panorama doesn't work as a half hour program, it was tonight.

    BBC / Guardian have been hyping this story up as scandal of the century and in 25 mins basically you don't ever really find out very much beyond the broadest of overviews, plus doorstepping some random bloke who runs a small shop in London doesn't really add to the story.

    What I can't really work out was what new we learned since 4-5 years ago? A suggestion that maybe HSBC still talk to high value customers about arranging their wealth to minimize tax?

    The computer guy stole his info in 2007, tax man got it in 2010, most people have now declared accounts that were previously hidden and paid up.

    I notice they managed to avoid mentioning that a certain dodger gave Labour £2 million though.

    Ms Hodge and her Committee are going to hold an inquiry into this ancient story in an attempt to continue to smear the Tories in the run up to the election. Of course the wrong doing was under the Labour government which did nothing about such activities!

    Nothing unusual there. It seems yet another story of Labour and the banks cosying up to each other with Labour not interested in collecting taxes but spending them anyway.
    Wasn't the info leaked to HRMC in 2007? Perhaps it was on the disk they lost.
  • perdix said:

    isam said:

    Jaywick on Ch5.. I canvassed there for Carswell, unbelievable place

    Extraordinary place. As an ex-local I find the fact it persists in its current state utterly appalling. The transport around there is very poor which makes it much more isolated than it looks on the map, which perhaps helps explains how such a pocket of deprivation can exist even in one of the UK's wealthiest counties.
    Were the characters ukip voters?

    I was there years before the UKIP phenomenon took off, but it's the sort of WWC area where UKIP would hope to do well. Looking at the local election results, they seem to have shown some signs of promise for UKIP on that front.

    In contrast, I also used to live in one of the rougher corners of nearby Colchester, which was very much a Labour fortress (and felt it, at election times).
  • Mr. Barber, ah. Not got Netflix.

    I'll tell you something weird. Apparently, the Flash and Green Arrow (from the series) will not be the same Flash and Green Arrow (either actors or continuity) when DC finally makes whatever its equivalent of the Avengers is. So, they'll have two parallel continuities for TV and film running.

    Maybe it'll work, but Marvel's integrated approach with SHIELD seems far better to me.

    Yeah, DC are making a hash of things with the cinematic universe... But their characters aside from the marquee names of Batman and Superman are a bit pish.

    Hope Yawn of Justice turns things around.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    Alistair said:

    I would like either a Scottish Turnout Market or a Scottish Turnout vs UK Turnout Market for this GE.

    Scottish turnout should be up because they are actually voting FOR a party ?
  • Mr. Barber, ah. Not got Netflix.

    I'll tell you something weird. Apparently, the Flash and Green Arrow (from the series) will not be the same Flash and Green Arrow (either actors or continuity) when DC finally makes whatever its equivalent of the Avengers is. So, they'll have two parallel continuities for TV and film running.

    Maybe it'll work, but Marvel's integrated approach with SHIELD seems far better to me.

    Yeah, DC are making a hash of things with the cinematic universe... But their characters aside from the marquee names of Batman and Superman are a bit pish.

    Hope Yawn of Justice turns things around.
    Aquaman lolz.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    edited February 2015

    Supermodels of SHIELD

    Speaking of shows with distractingly supermodel protagonists given the overall tone , The 100's second season has been noticeably grimmer, grimier and even visually the characters are much more reflective of the more unconventional and dark tone the show developed in its first season. It feels to me like another show where it basically had to hide what it really was to start off, in order to get funded, so it could ease people in to the darker and crazier bits later. So since it airs on the CW in the states, it had to start with 'extremely attractive even for TV young people' being strangely well groomed given the apocalypse, and a fair amount of relationship nonsense, before getting in to the heavy stuff.

    Revolution (now cancelled) seemed to almost be a stealth plot into a fantasy story (read nanites for magic/god) and Person of Interest morphing into something else entirely as it went along is another example.

    I must say I like the trend of sneaking in interesting concepts and characters after hooking people in with more familiar settings and plots. People find a way to get more creative or at least riskier prospects out there somehow.

    Though Once Upon a Time remains the most unexplainably popular show I can think of.

    8. I like how the number of current UKIP supporters who voted UKIP in 2010 is the same as the number of ones who voted LD.
  • isam said:

    isam said:

    Jaywick on Ch5.. I canvassed there for Carswell, unbelievable place

    Extraordinary place. As an ex-local I find the fact it persists in its current state utterly appalling. The transport around there is very poor which makes it much more isolated than it looks on the map, which perhaps helps explains how such a pocket of deprivation can exist even in one of the UK's wealthiest counties.
    The only thing for it really is to demolish the whole kaboodle and start again... the residents could be put up in caravan park that's all the homes are anyway

    The mad thing is that the roads (dirt tracks) are owned by the residents not the council, and so are in a permanent state of disrepair.. a really sad atmosphere there, but big potential its in a great spot!
    The roads have to be seen (and felt!) to be believed. There are patches where I was unsure whether I was on a road at all. Down a country lane this sort of thing might be expected, but in the middle of a small town....

    It's worse than it being owned by the residents, isn't it? At least the time I was around those parts, the roads belonged to the development company that built the estate/resort in the first place, but the company itself was long-since bankrupt. That's why there was no maintenance being done.

    Most of the housing there is not suitable for human habitation, and certainly not for the current level of overcrowding - it was only designed for summer holiday lets. It looks and feels like a shanty town.

    Incidentally, if you ever get the chance to look at old photos of the Plotlands developments that Basildon got built over - more down your neck of the woods, and within folk memory of your older relatives I should think - you'll see what the development of the New Town there spared the good denizens of South Essex from. A Fate Worse Than Jaywick (albeit with less risk of being swept out to sea) ... after seeing that I decided to quit complaining about what a tip Basildon is.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,514
    edited February 2015
    And tomorrow on the BBC the wall to wall coverage will be...They are going to keep this running and running and running.

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/564907630804877312

  • isam said:

    @Nigel4England

    The dogs were always a good medium for shrewd punters. If you went regularly to the same track, as my Dad did, you got to know the form inside out and if you bet sensibly, you could easily outdo the bookies.

    Although my family was unquestionably working class, we never went without and enjoyed many luxuries. It was all paid for by Clapton dogs !

    My Dad was born next door to Romford Dogs.. nr the big "IF" sign!!
    The old man reckoned the dogs were straighter than the horses, not least because they didn't have anybody on their backs messing them about!
    My old man reckoned they were as bent as a nine bob note!
    It depended on the track.

    He reckoned Clapton, Walthamstow and Wimbledon were straight. Not so sure about the others.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578

    Mr. Barber, ah. Not got Netflix.

    I'll tell you something weird. Apparently, the Flash and Green Arrow (from the series) will not be the same Flash and Green Arrow (either actors or continuity) when DC finally makes whatever its equivalent of the Avengers is. So, they'll have two parallel continuities for TV and film running.

    Maybe it'll work, but Marvel's integrated approach with SHIELD seems far better to me.

    Yeah, DC are making a hash of things with the cinematic universe...
    Started it a bit late it seems. Honestly, they seem to make far better TV shows than Marvel can manage, maybe they should stick to that outside of the big name movies, but of course there's more money in the movie business.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Jaywick on Ch5.. I canvassed there for Carswell, unbelievable place

    Extraordinary place. As an ex-local I find the fact it persists in its current state utterly appalling. The transport around there is very poor which makes it much more isolated than it looks on the map, which perhaps helps explains how such a pocket of deprivation can exist even in one of the UK's wealthiest counties.
    The only thing for it really is to demolish the whole kaboodle and start again... the residents could be put up in caravan park that's all the homes are anyway

    The mad thing is that the roads (dirt tracks) are owned by the residents not the council, and so are in a permanent state of disrepair.. a really sad atmosphere there, but big potential its in a great spot!
    The roads have to be seen (and felt!) to be believed. There are patches where I was unsure whether I was on a road at all. Down a country lane this sort of thing might be expected, but in the middle of a small town....

    It's worse than it being owned by the residents, isn't it? At least the time I was around those parts, the roads belonged to the development company that built the estate/resort in the first place, but the company itself was long-since bankrupt. That's why there was no maintenance being done.

    Most of the housing there is not suitable for human habitation, and certainly not for the current level of overcrowding - it was only designed for summer holiday lets. It looks and feels like a shanty town.

    Incidentally, if you ever get the chance to look at old photos of the Plotlands developments that Basildon got built over - more down your neck of the woods, and within folk memory of your older relatives I should think - you'll see what the development of the New Town there spared the good denizens of South Essex from. A Fate Worse Than Jaywick (albeit with less risk of being swept out to sea) ... after seeing that I decided to quit complaining about what a tip Basildon is.
    Are you from Bas Vegas?

    My cousins live there, and my aunt and uncle used to run The Long Riding Pub..

    Uncle was Polish, that was going to be my USP as a UKIP candidate if I got the S Bas & E Thurrock gig!.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937

    isam said:

    @Nigel4England

    The dogs were always a good medium for shrewd punters. If you went regularly to the same track, as my Dad did, you got to know the form inside out and if you bet sensibly, you could easily outdo the bookies.

    Although my family was unquestionably working class, we never went without and enjoyed many luxuries. It was all paid for by Clapton dogs !

    My Dad was born next door to Romford Dogs.. nr the big "IF" sign!!
    The old man reckoned the dogs were straighter than the horses, not least because they didn't have anybody on their backs messing them about!
    Probably right. When my mum married my stepfather, one of their wedding presents was a tip at 20/1 in a fixed race....

    Unfortunately, he was more often on the wrong end of such betting coups. I remember the jockey on one of the horses he owned telling him it could have won by ten lengths. When dad asked why it hadn't then, the answer was "I had orders not to win..."
  • kle4 said:

    Mr. Barber, ah. Not got Netflix.

    I'll tell you something weird. Apparently, the Flash and Green Arrow (from the series) will not be the same Flash and Green Arrow (either actors or continuity) when DC finally makes whatever its equivalent of the Avengers is. So, they'll have two parallel continuities for TV and film running.

    Maybe it'll work, but Marvel's integrated approach with SHIELD seems far better to me.

    Yeah, DC are making a hash of things with the cinematic universe...
    Started it a bit late it seems. Honestly, they seem to make far better TV shows than Marvel can manage, maybe they should stick to that outside of the big name movies, but of course there's more money in the movie business.
    Hmmm... Struggling to see what exactly is better about the DC TV output over Marvel - other than the volume.
  • kle4 said:

    Mr. Barber, ah. Not got Netflix.

    I'll tell you something weird. Apparently, the Flash and Green Arrow (from the series) will not be the same Flash and Green Arrow (either actors or continuity) when DC finally makes whatever its equivalent of the Avengers is. So, they'll have two parallel continuities for TV and film running.

    Maybe it'll work, but Marvel's integrated approach with SHIELD seems far better to me.

    Yeah, DC are making a hash of things with the cinematic universe...
    Started it a bit late it seems. Honestly, they seem to make far better TV shows than Marvel can manage, maybe they should stick to that outside of the big name movies, but of course there's more money in the movie business.
    Hmmm... Struggling to see what exactly is better about the DC TV output over Marvel - other than the volume.
    Arrow is fantastic. The Flash has potential to match it.
  • Mr. kle4, OUAT can't be all that popular. I could've sworn I read it wasn't picked up for whatever channel here was doing it.

    The 100's very enjoyable. Cheers for persuading me to stick with it when I was about to stop halfway through the first series. Now you mention it, the second is a bit darker.

    Mr. kle4 (part two), Gotham's pretty good. Slow start, and Gordon's girlfriend is a muppet, but the Penguin's nigh on perfect.
  • isam said:

    @Nigel4England

    The dogs were always a good medium for shrewd punters. If you went regularly to the same track, as my Dad did, you got to know the form inside out and if you bet sensibly, you could easily outdo the bookies.

    Although my family was unquestionably working class, we never went without and enjoyed many luxuries. It was all paid for by Clapton dogs !

    My Dad was born next door to Romford Dogs.. nr the big "IF" sign!!
    The old man reckoned the dogs were straighter than the horses, not least because they didn't have anybody on their backs messing them about!
    Probably right. When my mum married my stepfather, one of their wedding presents was a tip at 20/1 in a fixed race....

    Unfortunately, he was more often on the wrong end of such betting coups. I remember the jockey on one of the horses he owned telling him it could have won by ten lengths. When dad asked why it hadn't then, the answer was "I had orders not to win..."
    John Francome tells of the time he was asked to give a horse 'an easy' to help lower the horse's handicap rating whilst the trainer worked out what it was capable of. Francome brought the horse home third of five. The trainer asked him what he thought of the horse. 'Not bad. We could have beaten the two in font, but I'm not sure about the two behind.'
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  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    edited February 2015
    isam said:

    isam said:

    Jaywick on Ch5.. I canvassed there for Carswell, unbelievable place

    Extraordinary place. As an ex-local I find the fact it persists in its current state utterly appalling. The transport around there is very poor which makes it much more isolated than it looks on the map, which perhaps helps explains how such a pocket of deprivation can exist even in one of the UK's wealthiest counties.
    The only thing for it really is to demolish the whole kaboodle and start again... the residents could be put up in caravan park that's all the homes are anyway

    The mad thing is that the roads (dirt tracks) are owned by the residents not the council, and so are in a permanent state of disrepair.. a really sad atmosphere there, but big potential its in a great spot!
    Sidenotes: (1) the seawall makes Jaywick look worse than it really is (bit like Canvey Island in that regard)... at some point it must originally have been quite scenic. The wall both obscures the view and gives the place the feel of a small-scale concrete jungle, or an open-air prison camp.

    (2) Adjacent Clacton was also the work of a developer, the core of the town being designed for the pleasure of Victorian tourists who would be unloaded by steamboat - and later the development got connected to the railway. But for some reason Clacton seems to have "worked", whereas Jaywick has, by any sensible definition, failed.

    (3) Jaywick's seafront (realistically: seawallfront) has some bizarre roadnames that make it sound more picturesque than it really is. Not that that's a hard task, but the discrepancy between nominal plushness and the grotesque reality is greater than anywhere else I can think of (other suggestions welcome). From east to west along the front, they go Badminton Road, Sea Cornflower Road, Sea Rosemary Way, Sea Glebe Way, Sea Flowers Way, Sea Lavender Way, Sea Thistle Way, Sea Shell Way, Sea Pink Way and Sea Holly Way. Each is dreadful.

  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    I would like either a Scottish Turnout Market or a Scottish Turnout vs UK Turnout Market for this GE.

    Scottish turnout should be up because they are actually voting FOR a party ?
    Certain yo vote figure in Scottish subsamples has been consistently 10ish points higher than other UK regions across all pollsters.

    However I think that Scotland has the highest attrition rate for actual turnout compared to polled intention at the las election so would make a betting based on it interesting.

    I miss the berfair indyref banded turnout market that topped out at 75%+. I miss even more the ludicrous odds against money that people offered on the market.
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