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edited January 2015 in General

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » The Saturday night GE2015 rolling polls news blog

With Opinium just out there’ve now been 7 polls since the Ashcroft CON 6% lead survey that was published on Monday afternoon and there’s been nothing from any of the firms that have has the blue team in anything like as good a position.

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  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    First time I have ever properly looked at the oft produced "wiki graph" showing UKIPs decline..

    Its at 15% from an all time high of 16% isn't it? Have I read it wrong?

    Or is this the wrong graph?

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/UK_opinion_polling_2010-2015.png
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Lavabit founder condemns David Cameron's 'insane' plan to ban encryption

    Ladar Levison, who ran Edward Snowden’s email account, said moves to allow government access to encrypted data would weaken safety online for everyone.

    Ladar Levison, founder of the encrypted email service Lavabit, made his comments as Cameron lobbied Barack Obama to press US technology companies to give law enforcement greater access to encrypted communications, following the deadly attack on the Paris office of the magazine Charlie Hebdo.

    http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jan/16/david-cameron-encryption-lavabit-ladar-levison
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    Good evening, everyone.

    Is it eight days until the Greeks vote?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,537
    isam said:

    First time I have ever properly looked at the oft produced "wiki graph" showing UKIPs decline..

    Its at 15% from an all time high of 16% isn't it? Have I read it wrong?

    Or is this the wrong graph?

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/UK_opinion_polling_2010-2015.png

    Apparently, UKIP have been in steady decline since September.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    isam said:

    First time I have ever properly looked at the oft produced "wiki graph" showing UKIPs decline..

    Its at 15% from an all time high of 16% isn't it? Have I read it wrong?

    Or is this the wrong graph?

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/UK_opinion_polling_2010-2015.png

    No, you're not reading it wrong.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5033/radical-islam-europe

    Radical Islam in Europe: No One to Blame But Us:

    Most of all, we failed to extend our hand of solidarity to those brave Muslim men and women who dared to defy the radical elements within their own communities.

    The Western school systems have brought forth a generation that that, by taking the gifts of these freedoms for granted, has failed to learn how irregular in history they are, that the heavy price that was paid by generations gone by to secure them.

    Instead of passing on this flame of enlightenment and freedom to the Muslim world, we have undermined it at home.

    If we fail to stand up for our values, nobody else will.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    If Opinium is correct, the Tories are fecked.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    isam said:

    First time I have ever properly looked at the oft produced "wiki graph" showing UKIPs decline..

    Its at 15% from an all time high of 16% isn't it? Have I read it wrong?

    Or is this the wrong graph?

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/UK_opinion_polling_2010-2015.png

    I wouldn't take too much notice of wikimedia charts, for the simple reason that any person can put his/hers two penneth in to alter the statistics.
  • FPT
    Assuming, as currently appears likely, that Labour wins around 280-285 GE seats, they will be around 40-45 seats short of a majority, or around 35-40 seats after taking account of the non-voting NI MPs. Probably this can be trimmed by a further 2-3 seats by including the Plaid Cymru and Green MPs who are unlikely to oppose Labour in any confidence vote and the shortfall is therefore then reduced to approx 32-37 seats, pretty much exactly the number of seats the SNP are expected to win.
    So that would appear to be Miliband's one shop solution, coalition wise, albeit through gritted teeth on both sides, especially were the LibDems to win only around 25 seats or fewer which might leave him with an uncomfortable 10 seat shortfall or thereabouts, were he to consider instead linking up with the Yellows.
    I feel very much at ease therefore with my 25/1 bet with Ladbrokes on a Labour/SNP coalition, now on offer at 10/1.
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    edited January 2015

    If Opinium is correct, the Tories are fecked.

    Correct, or to be more precise, if they are anywhere near correct.

    Hence my comment concerning the attractions of selling the Tories at 280 seats with Sporting on the previous thread, subject of course to the usual DYOR caveat.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Andrew Bower: The encryption ban makes us look like the Thick Party

    http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2015/01/andrew-bower-the-encryption-ban-makes-us-look-like-the-thick-party.html

    Andrew Bower works in the ‘Silicon Fen’, graduated in Computer Science from Cambridge University and has served as an Conservative Association officer.

    This week the Prime Minister introduced a policy of banning strong encryption in the UK in order to deny terrorists ‘safe spaces’ in which to operate. Sounds robust, doesn’t it? In practice such a policy is impossible to implement and so would never yield any security benefit. It would, however, leave all of us vulnerable to trivial cyber-attacks and David Cameron’s vision of a Digital Britain in tatters.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Patrick O'Flynn ‏@oflynnmep Jan 16
    Ed Miliband just been skewered by a student from Doncaster telling him lots of young people there are thinking of voting for UKIP :-)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    Mr. Socrates, quite. It's a bloody stupid policy.

    Mr. Putney, just the one poll. Worth waiting for the others. And for a few months to pass.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    David Sterling ‏@maturefinancier 5m5 minutes ago
    even the "official" polls now have UKIP on 20% our private polling has them heading for 30% AND WILL CERTAINLY MATCH THE TORIES BEFORE MAY

    Even I, a kipper, feel that this prophesy is an outlier. :)
  • steve_garnersteve_garner Posts: 1,019
    Anyone on here think that UKIP will be just 8 points behind Con at the GE?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,537
    MikeK said:

    Patrick O'Flynn ‏@oflynnmep Jan 16
    Ed Miliband just been skewered by a student from Doncaster telling him lots of young people there are thinking of voting for UKIP :-)

    According to Yougov, UKIP support among 18-24 year olds hit 13% in December 2014.
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    edited January 2015

    Mr. Socrates, quite. It's a bloody stupid policy.

    Mr. Putney, just the one poll. Worth waiting for the others. And for a few months to pass.

    Morris - I'm not relying on this one poll in reaching my opinion but on the general trend, which as I said earlier shows the Tories in something of a rut. You can of course wait for as long as you care to but value, if correctly gauged initially, tends to erode seriously with the passage of time. This is demonstrated by my Lab/SNP coalition bet - placed at 25/1 and now shortened to 10/1.
  • ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689

    Mr. Socrates, quite. It's a bloody stupid policy.

    Mr. Putney, just the one poll. Worth waiting for the others. And for a few months to pass.

    If Cameron is daft enough to put it into the manifesto it is going to cost him dear in votes from the it community and those they manage to explain why it is such a hugely dangerous move to. If he is truly serious about it the Conservatives need to be removed from anywhere near the levers of power as such legislation will endanger everyone far more than even a spendthrift labour government

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    Mr. Putney, not betting on the election, though I'm interested in its outcome.

    Won't be long until we have our traditional chat about F1 spread-betting. Any early thoughts?

    Mr. Pagan, the policy's demented but I don't think it'll have much (if any) electoral cost. It would if we had a media that knew the difference between an arse and an elbow.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,537

    Anyone on here think that UKIP will be just 8 points behind Con at the GE?

    Probably not.

    However, UKIP's ceiling is 29% according to MORI (those who like the party) or 34% according to Com Res (those who'd seriously consider voting for the party). If UKIP hit those numbers, then the mould of British politics is broken.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723

    FPT
    Assuming, as currently appears likely, that Labour wins around 280-285 GE seats, they will be around 40-45 seats short of a majority, or around 35-40 seats after taking account of the non-voting NI MPs. Probably this can be trimmed by a further 2-3 seats by including the Plaid Cymru and Green MPs who are unlikely to oppose Labour in any confidence vote and the shortfall is therefore then reduced to approx 32-37 seats, pretty much exactly the number of seats the SNP are expected to win.
    So that would appear to be Miliband's one shop solution, coalition wise, albeit through gritted teeth on both sides, especially were the LibDems to win only around 25 seats or fewer which might leave him with an uncomfortable 10 seat shortfall or thereabouts, were he to consider instead linking up with the Yellows.
    I feel very much at ease therefore with my 25/1 bet with Ladbrokes on a Labour/SNP coalition, now on offer at 10/1.

    He won't do a coalition with the SNP - he won't need to.

    He will know for 100% certain that the SNP will not vote against a Lab budget or a Lab confidence motion.

    So why make concessions when you don't need to? Especially when it would generate very bad publicity - and cost a lot of support in England.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642

    Anyone on here think that UKIP will be just 8 points behind Con at the GE?

    No, not if the Conservatives put their £78 million war chest to good use.

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Anyone on here think that UKIP will be just 8 points behind Con at the GE?

    This could be a betting market!

    What level is 50/50?

    19.5?
  • Socrates said:

    Andrew Bower: The encryption ban makes us look like the Thick Party

    http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2015/01/andrew-bower-the-encryption-ban-makes-us-look-like-the-thick-party.html

    Andrew Bower works in the ‘Silicon Fen’, graduated in Computer Science from Cambridge University and has served as an Conservative Association officer.

    This week the Prime Minister introduced a policy of banning strong encryption in the UK in order to deny terrorists ‘safe spaces’ in which to operate. Sounds robust, doesn’t it? In practice such a policy is impossible to implement and so would never yield any security benefit. It would, however, leave all of us vulnerable to trivial cyber-attacks and David Cameron’s vision of a Digital Britain in tatters.

    "Digital Dave" needs shutting up on this and distracted with offer of playing some angry birds on his ipad.

    He is either going to look very very stupid in the end (I couldn't care less about this) or try and pass something that will be hugely damaging (which does concern me) or both. The concern is that Labour's record in power was littered with equally stupid law making, and it is much harder to repeal something than pass it, even if you are in charge.

    There must be some senior Tories with some sort of computer science knowledge that realise what he keeping prattling on about is a terrible terrible idea.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,537
    Socrates said:

    Andrew Bower: The encryption ban makes us look like the Thick Party

    http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2015/01/andrew-bower-the-encryption-ban-makes-us-look-like-the-thick-party.html

    Andrew Bower works in the ‘Silicon Fen’, graduated in Computer Science from Cambridge University and has served as an Conservative Association officer.

    This week the Prime Minister introduced a policy of banning strong encryption in the UK in order to deny terrorists ‘safe spaces’ in which to operate. Sounds robust, doesn’t it? In practice such a policy is impossible to implement and so would never yield any security benefit. It would, however, leave all of us vulnerable to trivial cyber-attacks and David Cameron’s vision of a Digital Britain in tatters.

    I'm showing my ignorance here, but what exactly is the encryption ban?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Good evening, everyone.

    Is it eight days until the Greeks vote?

    Yeap, it's on Jan 25th.
    Barring a last minute big event the result is mostly determined I believe, the seats though is a bit of a mystery since 2 parties are on the threshold, they could have a second election if there is no majority just like in 2012.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    MikeK said:

    David Sterling ‏@maturefinancier 5m5 minutes ago
    even the "official" polls now have UKIP on 20% our private polling has them heading for 30% AND WILL CERTAINLY MATCH THE TORIES BEFORE MAY

    Even I, a kipper, feel that this prophesy is an outlier. :)

    What private polling? You know the rules, if numbers from private polls gets leaked then you either have to publish it or it doesn't exist at all.
  • "He will know for 100% certain that the SNP will not vote against a Lab budget or a Lab confidence motion."

    Well the SNP sided with the Tories in the confidence motion in 1979 to bring down the Callaghan Labour Government.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Speedy said:

    Good evening, everyone.

    Is it eight days until the Greeks vote?

    Yeap, it's on Jan 25th.
    Barring a last minute big event the result is mostly determined I believe, the seats though is a bit of a mystery since 2 parties are on the threshold, they could have a second election if there is no majority just like in 2012.
    I was under the impression that Syriza would fail to obtain a majority and would need a coalition partner.
  • ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689



    Mr. Pagan, the policy's demented but I don't think it'll have much (if any) electoral cost. It would if we had a media that knew the difference between an arse and an elbow.

    I wouldn't be sure of that there are a lot of us IT folks around and the condemnation seems pretty much universal amongst us. It is an easy thing to explain to people for us and many of us will be doing just that. Our friends and relatives trust us on this a damn sight more than they trust the Government.

    When we tell them that this policy means hackers, and foreign governments will have easy access to

    Their medical records
    Their tax records
    Their bank accounts
    Every email they write
    Phone apps they like will either be banned or backdoored and made available to anyone that wants it
    The company they work for will have all its internal information available to any competitor causing them to lose competitiveness

    I think it will make them consider voting conservative to be a poor choice. Many of my colleagues have already started spreading the word.

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    Mr. Pagan, let's hope he backtracks pronto.

    He really should have his advisers shot, though. They must be bloody stupid.
  • ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689
    @Morris Dancer

    according to http://www.contracteye.co.uk/it-professionals-record-eskills.shtml

    It professionals are 4% of the uk workforce numbering over a million

    even if only half of us evangelise about the buffoonery of the legislation and convince 3 other people of our view that will cost the tories 2 million votes
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    MP_SE said:

    Speedy said:

    Good evening, everyone.

    Is it eight days until the Greeks vote?

    Yeap, it's on Jan 25th.
    Barring a last minute big event the result is mostly determined I believe, the seats though is a bit of a mystery since 2 parties are on the threshold, they could have a second election if there is no majority just like in 2012.
    I was under the impression that Syriza would fail to obtain a majority and would need a coalition partner.
    Latest polls show a widening of their lead, so if both the 2 parties (ANEL, KIDISO) that are just bellow the 3% threshold to enter parliament fail to surpass it then a majority of 1 is possible.

    If ANEL fails to enter parliament and SYRIZA is just 1-2 MP's short of a majority then a second election is a strong possibility, there is a precedent from ND which forced 3 elections in 1 year in 1989-90 because they were just short of a majority and they kept forcing elections until they got one.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited January 2015
    ZenPagan said:

    @Morris Dancer

    according to http://www.contracteye.co.uk/it-professionals-record-eskills.shtml

    It professionals are 4% of the uk workforce numbering over a million

    even if only half of us evangelise about the buffoonery of the legislation and convince 3 other people of our view that will cost the tories 2 million votes

    I think you really are projecting your own politicians persuasions on that prediction. Tories to lose 2 million votes I think not. Dave to have to U-Turn or quietly to forget to talk about this again, more likely.

    Remember Dave does meet a lot with the likes of Google execs and his friends work there, I think they will have been on the blower to tell him why he is being a total chump.
  • ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689
    Sean_F said:

    Socrates said:

    Andrew Bower: The encryption ban makes us look like the Thick Party

    http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2015/01/andrew-bower-the-encryption-ban-makes-us-look-like-the-thick-party.html

    Andrew Bower works in the ‘Silicon Fen’, graduated in Computer Science from Cambridge University and has served as an Conservative Association officer.

    This week the Prime Minister introduced a policy of banning strong encryption in the UK in order to deny terrorists ‘safe spaces’ in which to operate. Sounds robust, doesn’t it? In practice such a policy is impossible to implement and so would never yield any security benefit. It would, however, leave all of us vulnerable to trivial cyber-attacks and David Cameron’s vision of a Digital Britain in tatters.

    I'm showing my ignorance here, but what exactly is the encryption ban?
    Cameron announced that their should be no communication the government cannot read. He basically said that he wanted backdoors built into things like whatsapp and gmail or they would be banned.

    A backdoor however as history has repeatedly shown is just as convenient for the bad guys as the "good guys". Encrytption is what keeps us safe on the internet. Weakening it is disastrous

  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,683
    edited January 2015
    Sean_F said:

    Socrates said:

    Andrew Bower: The encryption ban makes us look like the Thick Party

    http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2015/01/andrew-bower-the-encryption-ban-makes-us-look-like-the-thick-party.html

    Andrew Bower works in the ‘Silicon Fen’, graduated in Computer Science from Cambridge University and has served as an Conservative Association officer.

    This week the Prime Minister introduced a policy of banning strong encryption in the UK in order to deny terrorists ‘safe spaces’ in which to operate. Sounds robust, doesn’t it? In practice such a policy is impossible to implement and so would never yield any security benefit. It would, however, leave all of us vulnerable to trivial cyber-attacks and David Cameron’s vision of a Digital Britain in tatters.

    I'm showing my ignorance here, but what exactly is the encryption ban?
    Any operating system, social networking system or messaging system that uses a system of encryption that cannot be accessed by the intelligence services would be made illegal.

    It is an unworkable and idiotic proposal.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-30794953
  • Mr. Pagan, let's hope he backtracks pronto.

    He really should have his advisers shot, though. They must be bloody stupid.

    Advisers usually give the advice that the person asking for it wants to hear.

    If they don't they usually find themselves replaced by a more amenable group of advisers.

    As the mentality of government is that only people who have done something wrong should want to keep any secrets then the encryption ban is a 'natural' idea to government.
  • ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689

    ZenPagan said:

    @Morris Dancer

    according to http://www.contracteye.co.uk/it-professionals-record-eskills.shtml

    It professionals are 4% of the uk workforce numbering over a million

    even if only half of us evangelise about the buffoonery of the legislation and convince 3 other people of our view that will cost the tories 2 million votes

    I think you really are projecting your own politicians persuasions on that prediction. Tories to lose 2 million votes I think not. Dave to have to U-Turn or quietly to forget to talk about this again, more likely.
    Up till this idiocy I would have preferred a conservative government to a labour one even if I refuse personally to vote conservative. If he puts this in the manifesto it will be far more damaging for the country than another labour government.

  • It's amazing that 6 out of the 7 Premier League games played today were won by the away side.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Sean_F said:

    Socrates said:

    Andrew Bower: The encryption ban makes us look like the Thick Party

    http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2015/01/andrew-bower-the-encryption-ban-makes-us-look-like-the-thick-party.html

    Andrew Bower works in the ‘Silicon Fen’, graduated in Computer Science from Cambridge University and has served as an Conservative Association officer.

    This week the Prime Minister introduced a policy of banning strong encryption in the UK in order to deny terrorists ‘safe spaces’ in which to operate. Sounds robust, doesn’t it? In practice such a policy is impossible to implement and so would never yield any security benefit. It would, however, leave all of us vulnerable to trivial cyber-attacks and David Cameron’s vision of a Digital Britain in tatters.

    I'm showing my ignorance here, but what exactly is the encryption ban?
    Any operating system, social networking system or messaging system that uses a system of encryption that cannot be accessed by the intelligence services would be made illegal.

    It is an unworkable and idiotic proposal.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-30794953
    "Encryption is mathematics, not technology. It can't be suppressed by law," Mr Bloch told the BBC.

    That is in essence why Cameron is talking action without knowing what he is talking about.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited January 2015
    ZenPagan said:

    ZenPagan said:

    @Morris Dancer

    according to http://www.contracteye.co.uk/it-professionals-record-eskills.shtml

    It professionals are 4% of the uk workforce numbering over a million

    even if only half of us evangelise about the buffoonery of the legislation and convince 3 other people of our view that will cost the tories 2 million votes

    I think you really are projecting your own politicians persuasions on that prediction. Tories to lose 2 million votes I think not. Dave to have to U-Turn or quietly to forget to talk about this again, more likely.
    Up till this idiocy I would have preferred a conservative government to a labour one even if I refuse personally to vote conservative. If he puts this in the manifesto it will be far more damaging for the country than another labour government.

    I am not going to disagree with you on the damage of such stupid legislation, I am just saying the Tories aren't going to lose 2 million votes from it....and tbh I doubt it will come to it. Eventually enough people in the know will hit him over the head with his iPad that he will back down.

    With Cameron, we aren't talking about Mrs T, were what she says goes (and I know plenty of people who have been on the whole end of that), it is Mr Tony Blair super-lite, that has already U-Turn'ed loads in this parliament.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    Where does IT security rank in MORI's issues index?

    Seriously, I doubt even 0.1% of people would mention it.

    Cameron is not going to want money being stolen out of people's bank accounts. It's blindingly obvious that it will be sorted in some sensible way.
  • MikeL said:

    Where does IT security rank in MORI's issues index?

    Seriously, I doubt even 0.1% of people would mention it.

    Cameron is not going to want money being stolen out of people's bank accounts. It's blindingly obvious that it will be sorted in some sensible way.

    The funny thing is, if you look at the polling, the majority of the voters think the government approach to issues like this either about right, or doesn't go far enough.
  • Anyone on here think that UKIP will be just 8 points behind Con at the GE?

    Of course not, the Tories are bound to be on more than 20%
  • ComRes

    Con 33% (NC)
    Lab 34% (NC)
    LD 7% (-1)
    UKIP 18% (NC)
    Greens 3% (+1)
    Others % (NC)
  • ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689

    ZenPagan said:

    ZenPagan said:

    @Morris Dancer

    according to http://www.contracteye.co.uk/it-professionals-record-eskills.shtml

    It professionals are 4% of the uk workforce numbering over a million

    even if only half of us evangelise about the buffoonery of the legislation and convince 3 other people of our view that will cost the tories 2 million votes

    I think you really are projecting your own politicians persuasions on that prediction. Tories to lose 2 million votes I think not. Dave to have to U-Turn or quietly to forget to talk about this again, more likely.
    Up till this idiocy I would have preferred a conservative government to a labour one even if I refuse personally to vote conservative. If he puts this in the manifesto it will be far more damaging for the country than another labour government.

    I am not going to disagree with you on the damage of such stupid legislation, I am just saying the Tories aren't going to lose 2 million votes from it....and tbh I doubt it will come to it. Eventually enough people in the know will hit him over the head with his iPad that he will back down.

    With Cameron, we aren't talking about Mrs T, were what she says goes (and I know plenty of people who have been on the whole end of that), it is Mr Tony Blair super-lite, that has already U-Turn'ed loads in this parliament.
    It doesn't matter if he backs down is what you have neglected to take into account. For example I have emailed to all my uk contacts links to articles describing the proposed legislation. Along with a personal synopsis of how it effects them personally and what risks it poses to themselves, many of my contacts will in turn email it on to their list of contacts.

    I am not alone in that endeavour amongst colleagues and it wasn't as a result of collusion between us but we found talking around the coffee machine that many of us either had done so or were intending to.

    How much damage is it going to do?

  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    edited January 2015
    ComRes:
    Lab 34% (0)
    Con 33% (0)
    UKIP 18% (0)
    LD 7% (-1)
    Greens 3% (+1)
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2015
    MikeL said:

    Where does IT security rank in MORI's issues index?

    Seriously, I doubt even 0.1% of people would mention it.

    Cameron is not going to want money being stolen out of people's bank accounts. It's blindingly obvious that it will be sorted in some sensible way.

    And what about math teachers?
    They have the knowledge how to encrypt stuff, should we ban them, or prohibit the teaching of certain sections of mathematics that is used in encryption?

    You can't ban knowledge, terrorists are going to use it anyway for their own private needs, and I'm sure ISIS has it's own mathematicians.
    You can ban companies from using encryption but terrorists can use their own encryption for their messages.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,378

    ComRes

    Con 33% (NC)
    Lab 34% (NC)
    LD 7% (-1)
    UKIP 18% (NC)
    Greens 3% (+1)
    Others % (NC)

    That's not very exciting...

  • MikeL said:

    Where does IT security rank in MORI's issues index?

    Seriously, I doubt even 0.1% of people would mention it.

    Cameron is not going to want money being stolen out of people's bank accounts. It's blindingly obvious that it will be sorted in some sensible way.

    The funny thing is, if you look at the polling, the majority of the voters think the government approach to issues like this either about right, or doesn't go far enough.
    But this is one of those issues where they honestly don't understand the implications. I can fully accept that many, or even most, of the public are content to let the government agencies spy on them to a greater extent than they do now - even if I might oppose it. But most probably don't realise it will end up making all the technology they rely upon less secure or could see some services cease to exist entirely.
  • ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689
    MikeL said:

    Where does IT security rank in MORI's issues index?

    Seriously, I doubt even 0.1% of people would mention it.

    Cameron is not going to want money being stolen out of people's bank accounts. It's blindingly obvious that it will be sorted in some sensible way.

    It is blindingly obvious that he can't have the legislation and internet security. The two are mutually exclusive.

  • More people feel favourable towards the Conservative Party than to Labour according to a ComRes opinion poll for The Independent on Sunday, shared with the Sunday Mirror. Despite the common view that voters prefer the Labour brand to the Tory one if the qualities of leaders is left to one side, 29 per cent say they are favourable to the Tories, but only 26 per cent say Labour.

    About as many people think that the Conservatives want to dismantle the NHS if they win the next election (41%) as think a Labour government would lead to economic chaos (42%).

    · However, worryingly for the Labour leadership, in the wake of accusations that Ed Miliband said he wanted to “weaponise” the NHS, half of Britons (49%) think he is using the issue of the NHS for his political advantage, not because he cares about it. This includes one in five (19%) Labour voters.

    http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2015/01/17/tory-party-more-favourably-regarded-than-labour/
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    Speedy said:

    MikeL said:

    Where does IT security rank in MORI's issues index?

    Seriously, I doubt even 0.1% of people would mention it.

    Cameron is not going to want money being stolen out of people's bank accounts. It's blindingly obvious that it will be sorted in some sensible way.

    And what about math teachers?
    They have the knowledge how to encrypt stuff, should we ban them, or prohibit the teaching of certain sections of mathematics that is used in encryption?

    You can't ban knowledge, terrorists are going to use it anyway for their own private needs, and I'm sure ISIS has it's own mathematicians.
    Please read my post. I'm not proposing anything.

    All I am saying is this issue will not have any measurable impact on the GE.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    edited January 2015
    MikeL said:

    Comres:

    Lab 34% (0)
    Con 33% (0)
    UKIP 18% (0)
    LD 7% (-1)
    Greens 3% (+1)

    Have Comres done ANY fieldwork at all or have their people just sat in pubs over the past two weeks? ;)
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    ComRes

    Con 33% (NC)
    Lab 34% (NC)
    LD 7% (-1)
    UKIP 18% (NC)
    Greens 3% (+1)
    Others % (NC)

    Boring.
    I'm out for the night.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited January 2015



    About as many people think that the Conservatives want to dismantle the NHS if they win the next election (41%) as think a Labour government would lead to economic chaos (42%).

    I would love to see the exact questions and the lead up to them for those...they sound awfully "guided" and ComRes have form on this.

    I doubt nearly half the country really and truly believe either. If it said 40% said NHS worse under Tories, and same for economy worse under Labour, I could buy that.
  • MikeL said:

    Where does IT security rank in MORI's issues index?

    Seriously, I doubt even 0.1% of people would mention it.

    Cameron is not going to want money being stolen out of people's bank accounts. It's blindingly obvious that it will be sorted in some sensible way.

    The funny thing is, if you look at the polling, the majority of the voters think the government approach to issues like this either about right, or doesn't go far enough.
    But this is one of those issues where they honestly don't understand the implications. I can fully accept that many, or even most, of the public are content to let the government agencies spy on them to a greater extent than they do now - even if I might oppose it. But most probably don't realise it will end up making all the technology they rely upon less secure or could see some services cease to exist entirely.
    I agree, as you said, it shares a lot of similarities to ID cards.

    People were initially in favour of the principle, when they saw the actual implications of the policy, the popularity ended.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382



    About as many people think that the Conservatives want to dismantle the NHS if they win the next election (41%) as think a Labour government would lead to economic chaos (42%).

    I would love to see the exact questions and the lead up to them for those...they sound awfully "guided" and ComRes have form on this.

    I doubt nearly half the country really and truly believe either. If it said 40% said NHS worse under Tories, and same for economy worse under Labour, I could buy that.
    I loathe the ComRes Agree/Disagree format which by their very nature are misleading. This is why I don't report them.

  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Like Opinium , I have also observed the same in the aggregate regional sub-polls for UKIP. Why this week I am not sure .
  • ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689
    MikeL said:

    Speedy said:

    MikeL said:

    Where does IT security rank in MORI's issues index?

    Seriously, I doubt even 0.1% of people would mention it.

    Cameron is not going to want money being stolen out of people's bank accounts. It's blindingly obvious that it will be sorted in some sensible way.

    And what about math teachers?
    They have the knowledge how to encrypt stuff, should we ban them, or prohibit the teaching of certain sections of mathematics that is used in encryption?

    You can't ban knowledge, terrorists are going to use it anyway for their own private needs, and I'm sure ISIS has it's own mathematicians.
    Please read my post. I'm not proposing anything.

    All I am saying is this issue will not have any measurable impact on the GE.
    Even if you only count the it professionals who will almost vote as a bloc against any manifesto including this that is roughly 4% of the population. If you have doubts of the strength of feeling on this legislation go visit some of the tech websites you will find people who think it won't be a disaster for the country in short supply

  • Well what we can tell from "Favourability" ratings, if there was a Boris Party, headed by Boris, they would walk it...every party and leading politician, the public don't think much of.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    edited January 2015
    Whatever your ideology, there have been two policies proposed in this parliament which have been just utterly, utterly stupid and rejected by everyone that knows about the area in question. The first was Ed Miliband's energy price freeze. The second is David Cameron's encryption ban.

    Tweedledum and Tweedledee.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    Where's that dead horse to beat? Ah, there it is.

    The Tories are no hopers. Extremely rare polls putting them comfortably in the lead (and even then possibly not enough for a majority), able to level peg with some regularity (which would see a Labour win almost certainly), and with far more 'outliers' showing sizable Labour leads than the reverse. There's no way even Ed M is crap enough to overturn the deficit, hah, of opportunity the Tories currently have. Granted the favourability ratings seem to work out better for Cameron and his party, but will that actually materialise at election time? I cannot see it.

    Also, with this being the rolling polls blog, or rolling polling blog, could we not call it the roly poly blog? Just me?
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    "Around half of Green and current Lib Dem voters (both 53%) and two in five UKIP voters (38%) also say that they may change their mind about who they vote for"

    Current Lib Dems? Dear me..
  • Artist said:

    "Around half of Green and current Lib Dem voters (both 53%) and two in five UKIP voters (38%) also say that they may change their mind about who they vote for"

    Current Lib Dems? Dear me..

    Wouldn't be hard to do a focus group of subsample of Green and Lib Dem voters who have said might change their mind, probably get them all in one taxi.
  • ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689

    MikeL said:

    Where does IT security rank in MORI's issues index?

    Seriously, I doubt even 0.1% of people would mention it.

    Cameron is not going to want money being stolen out of people's bank accounts. It's blindingly obvious that it will be sorted in some sensible way.

    The funny thing is, if you look at the polling, the majority of the voters think the government approach to issues like this either about right, or doesn't go far enough.
    But this is one of those issues where they honestly don't understand the implications. I can fully accept that many, or even most, of the public are content to let the government agencies spy on them to a greater extent than they do now - even if I might oppose it. But most probably don't realise it will end up making all the technology they rely upon less secure or could see some services cease to exist entirely.
    I agree, as you said, it shares a lot of similarities to ID cards.

    People were initially in favour of the principle, when they saw the actual implications of the policy, the popularity ended.
    In many ways it is also a lot easier to convince people of the dangers of this legislation. I gave you some of the points I have raised with people on my email list down thread they are easy to explain and they will be believed because people such as myself are often the unofficial tech support for our friends and family. They know we are knowledgable about IT and they trust us. Politicians they trust not so much

  • It's amazing that 6 out of the 7 Premier League games played today were won by the away side.

    I wonder which team was the exception...

    cough....

    #2-1nailedon
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549



    About as many people think that the Conservatives want to dismantle the NHS if they win the next election (41%) as think a Labour government would lead to economic chaos (42%).

    I would love to see the exact questions and the lead up to them for those...they sound awfully "guided" and ComRes have form on this.

    I doubt nearly half the country really and truly believe either. If it said 40% said NHS worse under Tories, and same for economy worse under Labour, I could buy that.
    I loathe the ComRes Agree/Disagree format which by their very nature are misleading. This is why I don't report them.

    Rentoul frames the question sin such a way that he gets [ or tries to get ] the results he wants.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    Mr. Eagles, popularity doesn't make something right.
  • Mr. Eagles, popularity doesn't make something right.

    Oh I know.
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited January 2015
    2nd poll showing a further decline in LDs. Nothing to see here. On target for at least 20 seats....
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    Sean_F said:

    Socrates said:

    Andrew Bower: The encryption ban makes us look like the Thick Party

    http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2015/01/andrew-bower-the-encryption-ban-makes-us-look-like-the-thick-party.html

    Andrew Bower works in the ‘Silicon Fen’, graduated in Computer Science from Cambridge University and has served as an Conservative Association officer.

    This week the Prime Minister introduced a policy of banning strong encryption in the UK in order to deny terrorists ‘safe spaces’ in which to operate. Sounds robust, doesn’t it? In practice such a policy is impossible to implement and so would never yield any security benefit. It would, however, leave all of us vulnerable to trivial cyber-attacks and David Cameron’s vision of a Digital Britain in tatters.

    I'm showing my ignorance here, but what exactly is the encryption ban?
    Any operating system, social networking system or messaging system that uses a system of encryption that cannot be accessed by the intelligence services would be made illegal.

    It is an unworkable and idiotic proposal.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-30794953
    I think you are too generous in your appraisal. Any 1st year IT undergraduate can produce an encryption programme that can't be cracked - the RSA algorithm is very simple to implement - and with an infinite number of primes the security services can't possibly crack the keys. (Until quantum computing comes along in a big way).

    The only advantage you would have with the law is that you would spot when people were communicating by non-proprietary encryption software and therefore had something to hide. Sort of called traffic analysis - which was popular in the second world war whenever the Germans got one step ahead of us (thankfully not that often).
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited January 2015
    2/2 UKIP outliers, that's four in a week

    What price the Hat Trick?
  • Sean_F said:

    isam said:

    First time I have ever properly looked at the oft produced "wiki graph" showing UKIPs decline..

    Its at 15% from an all time high of 16% isn't it? Have I read it wrong?

    Or is this the wrong graph?

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/UK_opinion_polling_2010-2015.png

    Apparently, UKIP have been in steady decline since September.

    According to ELBOW, Peak Kipper was on 30th Nov = 17.7%
  • It's amazing that 6 out of the 7 Premier League games played today were won by the away side.

    Have Arsenal a must win away game tomorrow to stay in contention for Europe?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited January 2015
    weejonnie said:



    I think you are too generous in your appraisal. Any 1st year IT undergraduate can produce an encryption programme that can't be cracked - the RSA algorithm is very simple to implement - and with an infinite number of primes the security services can't possibly crack the keys. (Until quantum computing comes along in a big way).

    I think you are giving 1st year Undergrads too much credit :-)

  • Cameron now slightly less favoured than his party...
    LDs least favoured party....
    Clegg even less favoured than his party. Akin to dog tu*d on shoe?

    Now if the LDs mounted a coup against Clegg would they not have some upside?
  • ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689
    weejonnie said:

    Sean_F said:

    Socrates said:

    Andrew Bower: The encryption ban makes us look like the Thick Party

    http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2015/01/andrew-bower-the-encryption-ban-makes-us-look-like-the-thick-party.html

    Andrew Bower works in the ‘Silicon Fen’, graduated in Computer Science from Cambridge University and has served as an Conservative Association officer.

    This week the Prime Minister introduced a policy of banning strong encryption in the UK in order to deny terrorists ‘safe spaces’ in which to operate. Sounds robust, doesn’t it? In practice such a policy is impossible to implement and so would never yield any security benefit. It would, however, leave all of us vulnerable to trivial cyber-attacks and David Cameron’s vision of a Digital Britain in tatters.

    I'm showing my ignorance here, but what exactly is the encryption ban?
    Any operating system, social networking system or messaging system that uses a system of encryption that cannot be accessed by the intelligence services would be made illegal.

    It is an unworkable and idiotic proposal.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-30794953
    I think you are too generous in your appraisal. Any 1st year IT undergraduate can produce an encryption programme that can't be cracked - the RSA algorithm is very simple to implement - and with an infinite number of primes the security services can't possibly crack the keys. (Until quantum computing comes along in a big way).

    The only advantage you would have with the law is that you would spot when people were communicating by non-proprietary encryption software and therefore had something to hide. Sort of called traffic analysis - which was popular in the second world war whenever the Germans got one step ahead of us (thankfully not that often).
    Traffic analysis won't work either because those who want to keep their encrypted messages secret will just embed them in other things such as the non used fields of an cute cat video. It will look to all intents and purposes like a straightforward video but a bit of the message will be hidden there and a bit more over there.

    A piece of cake to write software that will encrypt the message and secrete parts of it all over the place and then be able to rebuild them later for decryption.

    Weakening encryption only means the law abiding won't be protected by it and provide entry points for the malicious

  • ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689

    weejonnie said:



    I think you are too generous in your appraisal. Any 1st year IT undergraduate can produce an encryption programme that can't be cracked - the RSA algorithm is very simple to implement - and with an infinite number of primes the security services can't possibly crack the keys. (Until quantum computing comes along in a big way).

    I think you are giving 1st year Undergrads too much credit :-)

    There are open source libraries available that are pretty much secure. You don't even need to understand encryption to use them merely have enough knowledge to download and use them.

  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092

    weejonnie said:



    I think you are too generous in your appraisal. Any 1st year IT undergraduate can produce an encryption programme that can't be cracked - the RSA algorithm is very simple to implement - and with an infinite number of primes the security services can't possibly crack the keys. (Until quantum computing comes along in a big way).

    I think you are giving 1st year Undergrads too much credit :-)

    Coming up with an encryption algorithm that can't be cracked is trivial, a 10 year old could do it. The difficulty is coming up with one that meets other useful properties, like the two parties being able to communicate without having a secure way of exchanging keys.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Cameron now slightly less favoured than his party...
    LDs least favoured party....
    Clegg even less favoured than his party. Akin to dog tu*d on shoe?

    Now if the LDs mounted a coup against Clegg would they not have some upside?

    They are called Yellow for a reason !
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    Leader plus party score

    Conservatives -16 + -18 = -34
    UKIP -22 + -25 = -47
    Labour - 19 + =34 = -53

    Not great looking numbers for Labour.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited January 2015
    A measly 18%?

    UKIP on the slide again, Peak Kipper was about 6.15pm this evening

    Does @TGOHF have to do a kind of Winston Smith Ministry of Truth job when declaring "Peak Kipper" and chuck all the other Peak Kippers down the memory chute?

  • ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689

    weejonnie said:



    I think you are too generous in your appraisal. Any 1st year IT undergraduate can produce an encryption programme that can't be cracked - the RSA algorithm is very simple to implement - and with an infinite number of primes the security services can't possibly crack the keys. (Until quantum computing comes along in a big way).

    I think you are giving 1st year Undergrads too much credit :-)

    Coming up with an encryption algorithm that can't be cracked is trivial, a 10 year old could do it. The difficulty is coming up with one that meets other useful properties, like the two parties being able to communicate without having a secure way of exchanging keys.
    Exchanging keys securely is easy with the advent of NFC systems. Merely ensure your phone is in an outside pocket go to a supermarket at the appointed time. Someone walks past brushing against you key exchanged without any face to face meeting. You won't even need to know which of the other shoppers passed it on

  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    What 2010 Lib Dems tell Comres (last 3 polls/each method):

    Phone: LD 41 Lab 24 Green 12 UKIP 10 Con 7
    Online: LD 34 Lab 29 UKIP 15 Con 12 Green 6
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    If the Opinium poll is anywhere near correct, it will badly hurt the Tories in the Eastern Region, South East and South West.
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited January 2015
    surbiton said:

    Cameron now slightly less favoured than his party...
    LDs least favoured party....
    Clegg even less favoured than his party. Akin to dog tu*d on shoe?

    Now if the LDs mounted a coup against Clegg would they not have some upside?

    They are called Yellow for a reason !
    When do the LD MPs panic? May 6th? Should they be put on suicide watch?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    It's amazing that 6 out of the 7 Premier League games played today were won by the away side.

    Seeing Leicester City's starting 11 (all playing in the Championship last season, with 2 strikers who have scored 3 goals between them this season), I can account for 1 of them!

    Busy drowning my sorrows; next league match is ManU away, and they will want revenge for being spanked 5-3 by us in September. Only the fact that QPR, Burnley, Hull, Sunderland, Villa and Newcastle are really quite poor too is keeping it interesting at the bottom end.

    One other consolation: Derby lost at home to a pisspoor Forest side.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,567
    Wikipedia is doing a good job of tracking the Green polls:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_Greek_legislative_election,_2015

    No very clear recent trends, but the Syriza-N gap seems to be pretty consistent. PASOK possibly clawing a little back from the centre-left Potami.

    The winner-takes-lots system that they have (giving a large bonus to whichever party gets most votes) is supposed to promote stability. They didn't think of the possibility that the winner would be the disputive element...
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    It's amazing that 6 out of the 7 Premier League games played today were won by the away side.

    Seeing Leicester City's starting 11 (all playing in the Championship last season, with 2 strikers who have scored 3 goals between them this season), I can account for 1 of them!

    Busy drowning my sorrows; next league match is ManU away, and they will want revenge for being spanked 5-3 by us in September. Only the fact that QPR, Burnley, Hull, Sunderland, Villa and Newcastle are really quite poor too is keeping it interesting at the bottom end.

    One other consolation: Derby lost at home to a pisspoor Forest side.
    Ulloa more valuable to Leicester than Messi to Barca on my ratings!
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    It's amazing that 6 out of the 7 Premier League games played today were won by the away side.

    Seeing Leicester City's starting 11 (all playing in the Championship last season, with 2 strikers who have scored 3 goals between them this season), I can account for 1 of them!

    Busy drowning my sorrows; next league match is ManU away, and they will want revenge for being spanked 5-3 by us in September. Only the fact that QPR, Burnley, Hull, Sunderland, Villa and Newcastle are really quite poor too is keeping it interesting at the bottom end.

    One other consolation: Derby lost at home to a pisspoor Forest side.
    Isn't it time to stop examining polls which simply cannot cope and start wondering why the Swansea City manager is a judge on The Voice. Is this affecting their form?
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    isam said:

    2/2 UKIP outliers, that's four in a week

    What price the Hat Trick?

    But I thought the public was going to punish Farage for saying things about integration in the UK that no-one else will say?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    It's amazing that 6 out of the 7 Premier League games played today were won by the away side.

    Seeing Leicester City's starting 11 (all playing in the Championship last season, with 2 strikers who have scored 3 goals between them this season), I can account for 1 of them!

    Busy drowning my sorrows; next league match is ManU away, and they will want revenge for being spanked 5-3 by us in September. Only the fact that QPR, Burnley, Hull, Sunderland, Villa and Newcastle are really quite poor too is keeping it interesting at the bottom end.

    One other consolation: Derby lost at home to a pisspoor Forest side.
    Isn't it time to stop examining polls which simply cannot cope and start wondering why the Swansea City manager is a judge on The Voice. Is this affecting their form?
    Selling their only decent striker seems a little rash!
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642

    Wikipedia is doing a good job of tracking the Green polls:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_Greek_legislative_election,_2015

    No very clear recent trends, but the Syriza-N gap seems to be pretty consistent. PASOK possibly clawing a little back from the centre-left Potami.

    The winner-takes-lots system that they have (giving a large bonus to whichever party gets most votes) is supposed to promote stability. They didn't think of the possibility that the winner would be the disputive element...

    If they were about 10 seats short of a majority who would likely coalition partners be?

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    isam said:

    It's amazing that 6 out of the 7 Premier League games played today were won by the away side.

    Seeing Leicester City's starting 11 (all playing in the Championship last season, with 2 strikers who have scored 3 goals between them this season), I can account for 1 of them!

    Busy drowning my sorrows; next league match is ManU away, and they will want revenge for being spanked 5-3 by us in September. Only the fact that QPR, Burnley, Hull, Sunderland, Villa and Newcastle are really quite poor too is keeping it interesting at the bottom end.

    One other consolation: Derby lost at home to a pisspoor Forest side.
    Ulloa more valuable to Leicester than Messi to Barca on my ratings!
    I agree, so why keep Ulloa on the bench until the 70th minute, and take off the only person who can put in a cross!

    Nigel Pearson still has my support, but he sometimes makes incomprehensible decisions.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    It's amazing that 6 out of the 7 Premier League games played today were won by the away side.

    Seeing Leicester City's starting 11 (all playing in the Championship last season, with 2 strikers who have scored 3 goals between them this season), I can account for 1 of them!

    Busy drowning my sorrows; next league match is ManU away, and they will want revenge for being spanked 5-3 by us in September. Only the fact that QPR, Burnley, Hull, Sunderland, Villa and Newcastle are really quite poor too is keeping it interesting at the bottom end.

    One other consolation: Derby lost at home to a pisspoor Forest side.
    Ulloa more valuable to Leicester than Messi to Barca on my ratings!
    I agree, so why keep Ulloa on the bench until the 70th minute, and take off the only person who can put in a cross!

    Nigel Pearson still has my support, but he sometimes makes incomprehensible decisions.
    Wowzers I didn't realise he was on the bench... strange days

    Comparing his goalscoring record to Nugent's is like comparing Aguero's to Dzeko..
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited January 2015

    More people feel favourable towards the Conservative Party than to Labour according to a ComRes opinion poll for The Independent on Sunday, shared with the Sunday Mirror. Despite the common view that voters prefer the Labour brand to the Tory one if the qualities of leaders is left to one side, 29 per cent say they are favourable to the Tories, but only 26 per cent say Labour.

    People have definitely been overestimating the "strength of the Labour brand". They have more potential reach, and there are considerably more people open to supporting them in the right circumstances than the Conservatives, but that does not translate into automatic support no matter what, especially now when the Labour leadership seem intent on telling all Labour-inclined people that they're not interested in delivering what those people want on the big issue of the day (the cuts).
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,701

    More people feel favourable towards the Conservative Party than to Labour according to a ComRes opinion poll for The Independent on Sunday, shared with the Sunday Mirror. Despite the common view that voters prefer the Labour brand to the Tory one if the qualities of leaders is left to one side, 29 per cent say they are favourable to the Tories, but only 26 per cent say Labour.

    About as many people think that the Conservatives want to dismantle the NHS if they win the next election (41%) as think a Labour government would lead to economic chaos (42%).

    · However, worryingly for the Labour leadership, in the wake of accusations that Ed Miliband said he wanted to “weaponise” the NHS, half of Britons (49%) think he is using the issue of the NHS for his political advantage, not because he cares about it. This includes one in five (19%) Labour voters.

    http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2015/01/17/tory-party-more-favourably-regarded-than-labour/

    The voters seem to view this as election as a terrible choice between the two main parties that both carry two huge risks: the end of the NHS as we know it v. economic catastrophe.

    They can't decide which one they'd like to risk least.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,709

    It's amazing that 6 out of the 7 Premier League games played today were won by the away side.

    Seeing Leicester City's starting 11 (all playing in the Championship last season, with 2 strikers who have scored 3 goals between them this season), I can account for 1 of them!

    Busy drowning my sorrows; next league match is ManU away, and they will want revenge for being spanked 5-3 by us in September. Only the fact that QPR, Burnley, Hull, Sunderland, Villa and Newcastle are really quite poor too is keeping it interesting at the bottom end.

    One other consolation: Derby lost at home to a pisspoor Forest side.
    Isn't it time to stop examining polls which simply cannot cope and start wondering why the Swansea City manager is a judge on The Voice. Is this affecting their form?
    Selling their only decent striker seems a little rash!
    It was the defence which let them down today.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,567
    MP_SE said:

    Wikipedia is doing a good job of tracking the Green polls:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_Greek_legislative_election,_2015

    No very clear recent trends, but the Syriza-ND gap seems to be pretty consistent. PASOK possibly clawing a little back from the centre-left Potami.

    The winner-takes-lots system that they have (giving a large bonus to whichever party gets most votes) is supposed to promote stability. They didn't think of the possibility that the winner would be the disputive element...

    If they were about 10 seats short of a majority who would likely coalition partners be?

    Potami are a possibility - much more moderate but nnoetheless new so no baggage or reluctance to turn their backs on policy they he,lped formulate. Not ND and PASOK, for the opposite reason, not the Communist KKE, who are of the exclusive we-hate-leftist-deviationists tradition, and not the neo-Nazi Golden Dawn. Just conceivably the conservative but anti-austerity ANEL, or Papandeou's Kinima, perhaps? Others may know more!
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