Yes, my grannie remark wasn't serious, but from Wiki, so somewhat simplified ...
"Moreover, the children of the women who were pregnant during the famine were smaller, as expected. However, surprisingly, when these children grew up and had children those children were also smaller than average.[7] These data suggested that the famine experienced by the mothers caused some kind of epigenetic changes that were passed down to the next generation."
Hmm. Sounds rather like Lamarckism which is generally considered a discredited hypothesis.
One man's "rough around the edges" is another man's racism, homophobia, scape-goating. The search for the person they believe has poisoned their well. Who has robbed them of their deserved entitlement to " something better than this".
UKIP's Utopia is for many their embodiment of Hell on Earth.
What the elite dismiss as racism the 'rough around the edges' bloke sees as realism, you know the people who actually live with diversity every day instead of heading off to live in Burton Bradstock.
As for homophobia I don't know a single Kipper that is in any way, shape or form homophobic, though I am sure there are some as there in all parties. Quick question, how do the Left square the Muslim stance on homosexuality or there abuse of womens rights?
I'm afraid the 'rough around the edges' person has had enough of being told what they should or should not believe by people that have no idea of their everyday life.
Your delusion starts with saying it is "the elite" that call out Kippers for spouting racist, homophobic, downright nasty sentiment. No. It is the majority. The great majority of decent Brits, of whatever heritage. These representatives of your party make our skin crawl.
Do the PB Tories who make references to 'ragheads' and 'fuzzywuzzies' also make your skin crawl ?
Who are these PB Tories?
AveryLP referred to Muslims as 'ragheads' on the evening of the 'Bomb Assad' vote.
The 'fuzzywuzzies' comment came from a PB Tory in the discussion about the Tory racebaiting against the UKIP candidate in Thurrock a couple of weeks ago.
I don't recall either comment being condemned by other Conservative supporters here.
Not a Dads Army fan then obviously?
I always thought the "fuzzy wuzzies" line was a trap to bait people into saying it was racist so the person who boringly says it all the time could feel clever about themself by correcting them
Fuzzy-Wuzzy is a poem by the English author and poet Rudyard Kipling, published in 1892 as part of Barrack Room Ballads. It describes the respect of the ordinary British soldier for the bravery of the Hadendoa warriors who fought the British army in the Sudan.
Hadendoa is the name of a nomadic subdivision of the Beja people. Other Beja include the Bisharin and Ababda. The area inhabited by the Hadendoa is today parts of Sudan, Egypt and Eritrea.
How fascinating. I'm terribly 1950s in my attitudes to using hot water/heating [only in extremis]. I picked that up from my mother who was raised on a potato/cabbage farm in Ireland and dirt poor.
Yes, my grannie remark wasn't serious, but from Wiki, so somewhat simplified ...
"Moreover, the children of the women who were pregnant during the famine were smaller, as expected. However, surprisingly, when these children grew up and had children those children were also smaller than average.[7] These data suggested that the famine experienced by the mothers caused some kind of epigenetic changes that were passed down to the next generation."
It misses the point. It is the anti-gays who state that homosexuality is unnatural, stating that it is natural and, indeed, some animals get up to it is an argument against the anti-gays. It is they who get excited by "naturalness".
In no way is it an argument in favour of homosexuality. We are humans and can make our own minds up, and can override our animal nature. Arguing that fur seals like to rape penguins would in no way be an argument in favour of bestiality, for example.
So the answer is simply that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality, and there is no need for society to put any obstacle in homosexuals' participation in the full range of cultural norms, such as marriage.
How is all compatible with theory of evolution?
You know, that theory that secularists are so keen on.
Whats that got to do with whether its 'unnatural' (i.e. not found in nature) or is 'healthy' to 'dislike it'?
Homophobia would appear to be a learned behaviour - unlike same-sex attraction, which would appear to be innate.
If it is innate, as you claim, then it has to reconciled with the theory of evolution.
Then we can discuss what we do about it.
Do we need to do anything about it? Why not just let people get on with living their lives?
yes they've farmed so much of their jobs out to others that they only have the trivia left.
I can never work out if they've left themselves with power without responsibility or responsibility without power.
Feminist group won't give answers on 62p-an-hour T-shirt as Mauritius bans MoS team behind exposé The t-shirts were made for The Fawcett Society at a Mauritius textile factory Workers were paid just 62p an hour and were sleeping 16 to a room When the MoS revealed the scandal, the society vowed to investigate But six weeks on little progress seems to have been made The journalists behind the story have been banned from going to Mauritius
Indeed. What a perilous state we're in. Face-sitting or watersports or whatever aren't harming anyone. Yet Mary Whitehouse's puritans have decided it's illegal.
I still can't get my head around it. Are handcuffs banned too? I gather *big* dildos are. What's the definition of that? Pre or post child birth sized? It's a complete nonsense by the curtain twitchers.
Enjoy !!.... I thought MASH superb when I watched it and then some of the reruns. I sometimes actually wondered if this was a comedy or more a documentary of actual events ?
I remember Alf Garnett in his heyday but also the Thames a television "love my neighbour" series. Can you just imagine a rerun of Love thy Neighbour now? If anyone is not aware of it its on Utube. Surprised they got away with it even then to be honest.
I've got the full episode run on one of my laptops. Within a decade possession of it will probably join face-sitting as an arrestable offence. Even now watching it feels like the Two Ronnies watching banned John Wayne movies in The Worm That Turned.
Yes, my grannie remark wasn't serious, but from Wiki, so somewhat simplified ...
"Moreover, the children of the women who were pregnant during the famine were smaller, as expected. However, surprisingly, when these children grew up and had children those children were also smaller than average.[7] These data suggested that the famine experienced by the mothers caused some kind of epigenetic changes that were passed down to the next generation."
More likely the undernourished foetuses were in some way malformed, but although biology students of my, and I suspect later, generations were taught that both Lamarck and Lysenko were “mistaken”, I understand that modern studies of genetics are indicating that they weren’t as mistaken as all that!
I stand to be corrected, or advised by those better informed, of course!
Cameron was very perceptive (as well as polite) David Souter - UKIPper in charge of candidtate selection - quote to his own people at Welsh Conference -- ''Half my job is spent not finding good candidates to stand, it is weeding out the lunatics, the people who shouldn’t be there'' (from a tape as passed on to The Sunday Times --- 'examining one party stalwart “was a bit like taking a big english sheepdog to a vet”. ') He needs the sack because he is a total failure.
UKIP select Kerry Smith, Smith is nobbled by Kippers, UKIP deselct Smith, UKIP wheel in Bolter, Boulter is propositioned by kipper, Bolter jumps ship, UKIP wheel (Wheeler?) in Hamilton, Hamilton is framed by UKIP, Hamilton jumps ship, UKIP rediscover Smith, UKIP select Smith, Smith is disclosed as a total bonkers bigoted nutjob - another of Souters failures. Kippers everywhere declare him the right man all along.
It certainly found its level in the Tory party. Out of respect to TSE I will not bother to repeat the litany of racist and homophobic outbursts made by sitting Tory councillors. But my lack of respect for you will lead me to repeat my comment that you are an utter hypocrite who sees fault in every party except your own.
It is this arrogance and contempt that you hold for all around you that will, thankfully, result in a healthy dose of schadenfreude being directed at you in May. With supporters like you the Tory party deserves to crash and burn.
Its the fact that the tory party have moved away from such sentiments that upset the kippers. Is it possible not to hold Kerry Smith in contempt? Not least for his pathetic excuses? Such is UKIPs inner frenzy that they dump fraudster Hamilton in order to brink this bozo back?
While I think the taping of Kerry Smith is disgraceful journalism by the Mail, it does seem clear that Kerry Smith is wholly unsuitable to be a candidate. He should be, at the least, stripped of candidacy. The anti-East Asian racism was the worst element.
One suspects that you wouldn't bat an eyelid if it was a member of another party that they'd taped. You're only bothered because a Kipper got caught out.
So the speculation has already started about what this latest YouGov poll could mean in terms of Westminster seats. As has been said already, given the size of the swing (21% from LAB to SNP), uniformity isn’t just unlikely, it’s mathematically impossible, since it implies that Labour would have negative vote share in 4 seats (and, incidentally, 9 lost deposits) and the Lib Dems below zero in 36 (and below 5% in 43). So here are some alternatives, with UNS for comparison:
So while all three give different results, all three have the SNP and Labour within a five-seat range.
UNS also suggests that Jim Murphy would lose his seat, after a recount or two, but the other models suggests he would hold on, by varying majorities. But with the BBC reporting that he is to stand down and seek a Holyrood seat before 2016, his Renfrewshire E. constituency could become a very interesting three-way fight – it was blue (in fact, the bluest Scottish seat, I believe) until 1997 on the same 1983 boundaries that are in use today, albeit under a different name for most of that time.
While I think the taping of Kerry Smith is disgraceful journalism by the Mail, it does seem clear that Kerry Smith is wholly unsuitable to be a candidate. He should be, at the least, stripped of candidacy. The anti-East Asian racism was the worst element.
One suspects that you wouldn't bat an eyelid if it was a member of another party that they'd taped. You're only bothered because a Kipper got caught out.
Except when David Cameron got caught saying stuff about the Queen, I defended him on here on the same basis that private remarks are private. And in this case, I've condemned the UKIP candidate. Don't let facts get in the way of your prejudice. Just because you're a completely hypocritical partisan only interested in smearing other parties, doesn't mean we all are.
Its the fact that the tory party have moved away from such sentiments that upset the kippers. Is it possible not to hold Kerry Smith in contempt? Not least for his pathetic excuses? Such is UKIPs inner frenzy that they dump fraudster Hamilton in order to brink this bozo back?
The Tory party certainly have not moved away from such attitudes unfortunately - at least not if some of your councillors (and the fact they are still in office representing the Tory party) are any guide.
While I think the taping of Kerry Smith is disgraceful journalism by the Mail, it does seem clear that Kerry Smith is wholly unsuitable to be a candidate. He should be, at the least, stripped of candidacy. The anti-East Asian racism was the worst element.
One suspects that you wouldn't bat an eyelid if it was a member of another party that they'd taped. You're only bothered because a Kipper got caught out.
The simple test in such situations is to mentally swap the rosettes. If you equally enraged (or calm) if it's a blue, red, purple, green or minor party coloured one then you've got a fair grasp on whether to get the keys for the Outrage Bus.
While I think the taping of Kerry Smith is disgraceful journalism by the Mail, it does seem clear that Kerry Smith is wholly unsuitable to be a candidate. He should be, at the least, stripped of candidacy. The anti-East Asian racism was the worst element.
One suspects that you wouldn't bat an eyelid if it was a member of another party that they'd taped. You're only bothered because a Kipper got caught out.
The simple test in such situations is to mentally swap the rosettes. If you equally enraged (or calm) if it's a blue, red, purple, green or minor party coloured one then you've got a fair grasp on whether to get the keys for the Outrage Bus.
6 or 7 weeks ago, you expressed incredulity at my view that Man Utd would finish outside the Top 4. I expressed incredulity at your incredulity, and we made a small wager on it.
A very brief summary of the book published in 2012 on epigenetics.
Thanks for the links. I have a daughter studying degree biology and presently DNA so have passed this on. I do love Ms Careys comments on the video page of her website .......
"I'm creating some video clips on YouTube to explain certain aspects of epigenetics. My excitement was only sligtly dampened when I discovered that footage of my brother falling off his son's mini scooter got three times as many hits. This, I suspect, is why Horizon is never scheduled opposite Total Wipeout......."
More or less, although crossover next week would be good. Btw, what are the constituent parties making up the remaining 11% ..... if the Communists Green Party are set for a further surge in support, doubtless at Labour's expense, then the Sunil Publishing empire should be prepared for it.
Lord Sunil, the rag's owner and headline-finder pursuivant, has personally pledged that he will include the Greens in ELBOW from the beginning of the New Year.
But the Sunil's editorial team were divided. Mark Commode, our film critic, was in favour, as was our "TV" chef, Olie Jamiver. In contrast, resident clairvoyant, Mystic Smeg, was adamantly opposed, as she predicts that the Greens won't win any seats next May. Page 3 Model Train coordinator, Clair Fix was also against, leaving Lord Sunil with the deciding vote.
Just bought the Complete MASH - I'm expecting some choice unPC scripts!
Frankly, even with its racism, I prefer the 70s/80s to the censorious 00s and beyond. We've grown culturally very thin skins. Not something I admire at all
Be aware. As wonderful as the show is you may now have forgotten that up until (I think) the last series, it had a god-awful laugh track added to it which tends to damage some of the pathos which made it such a great show.
I vaguely recall Alan Alda praising the BBC for showing MASH without the laugh track used in America.
Indeed. What a perilous state we're in. Face-sitting or watersports or whatever aren't harming anyone. Yet Mary Whitehouse's puritans have decided it's illegal.
I still can't get my head around it. Are handcuffs banned too? I gather *big* dildos are. What's the definition of that? Pre or post child birth sized? It's a complete nonsense by the curtain twitchers.
Enjoy !!.... I thought MASH superb when I watched it and then some of the reruns. I sometimes actually wondered if this was a comedy or more a documentary of actual events ?
I remember Alf Garnett in his heyday but also the Thames a television "love my neighbour" series. Can you just imagine a rerun of Love thy Neighbour now? If anyone is not aware of it its on Utube. Surprised they got away with it even then to be honest.
I've got the full episode run on one of my laptops. Within a decade possession of it will probably join face-sitting as an arrestable offence. Even now watching it feels like the Two Ronnies watching banned John Wayne movies in The Worm That Turned.
It's an unholy alliance between reactionary Christians, reactionary Muslims, and far left feminists. And the Tory party is in thrall to them. Just as they're in thrall to rich people over campaign finance laws, in thrall to Rupert Murdoch over press regulation, in thrall to the security services over intelligence powers, and in thrall to the European Union over traditional British liberties. The only people David Cameron is willing to face off with are his own back benchers.
While I think the taping of Kerry Smith is disgraceful journalism by the Mail, it does seem clear that Kerry Smith is wholly unsuitable to be a candidate. He should be, at the least, stripped of candidacy. The anti-East Asian racism was the worst element.
One suspects that you wouldn't bat an eyelid if it was a member of another party that they'd taped. You're only bothered because a Kipper got caught out.
Except when David Cameron got caught saying stuff about the Queen, I defended him on here on the same basis that private remarks are private. And in this case, I've condemned the UKIP candidate. Don't let facts get in the way of your prejudice. Just because you're a completely hypocritical partisan only interested in smearing other parties, doesn't mean we all are.
An inadvisable comment coming from you Socrates/. Last week you were blaming the EU for the British Courts not jailing a paedophile indefinitely.
Unfortunately you allowed your prejudice get in the way of the facts and the rest of your comment therefore applies equally to you.
The disapproving have been threatening to "do" something about homosexuality for as long as homosexuality has existed -- which is to say, for (at least) as long as humanity itself has existed. And yet, there are more humans, straight or gay, around now on Earth than ever.
What's absurd is that homosexuality is no more problematic for humanity than celibacy or masturbation, yet the reactionary types don't seem to give a damn about them. Because all these arguments about "nature" and "survival" are just smoke screens. Their core issue is that they don't like the gays and want excuses to repress them.
Because homosexuality in male members of a family correlates with higher fertility in female members of the family. Thus the negative of the occasional male not reproducing is outweighed by more children from most females.
Correlation does not equal causation.
I need better, especially featuring examples from the animal kingdom.
I wasn't claiming one caused the other. There is likely a common genetic cause of both.
You just don't get it, do you. It is precisely because he refers to "Chinks", "Pooftahs" and "Peasants" (the later meaning jumped up working class people who think they are in the elite), and that using such language causes a fit of the vapours among right thinking people that he is attracting far more votes than he loses.
You just don't get it, do you. Each of those terms is simply offensive name-calling. It doesn't add anything to political discourse. As my grandfather used to say: "Never offend someone unnecessarily" (along with "never make an enemy unintentionally", it's one of my favourite lessons)
pity your grandad hadn't taken young Cameron into his counsel. Fruitcakes, loonies etc.
Cameron was very perceptive (as well as polite) David Souter - UKIPper in charge of candidtate selection - quote to his own people at Welsh Conference -- ''Half my job is spent not finding good candidates to stand, it is weeding out the lunatics, the people who shouldn’t be there'' (from a tape as passed on to The Sunday Times --- 'examining one party stalwart “was a bit like taking a big english sheepdog to a vet”. ') He needs the sack because he is a total failure.
UKIP select Kerry Smith, Smith is nobbled by Kippers, UKIP deselct Smith, UKIP wheel in Bolter, Boulter is propositioned by kipper, Bolter jumps ship, UKIP wheel (Wheeler?) in Hamilton, Hamilton is framed by UKIP, Hamilton jumps ship, UKIP rediscover Smith, UKIP select Smith, Smith is disclosed as a total bonkers bigoted nutjob - another of Souters failures. Kippers everywhere declare him the right man all along.
Meantime is good to to know that kippers think 'peasants' are merey 'jumped up' working class people who ought to know better. And to think we had all that fuss over a white van. Just when you actually thought there might be a tiny crack in the logic of the ongoing anti UKIP crusade along comes Mr Smith and his bad back. This (???!!!) is the man who is better than Bolter and Hamilton!!! Spare us the pathetic excuses please. Dirty water will find its own level. Desmond has found his true niche at last. Kippers really are a bunch of degenerates.
A lot of bullshit there, but the biggest outright lie is
"Kippers everywhere declare him the right man all along."
Most of it looks factual, which bits do you dispute?
Too much of it to get into a day long boring dispute with you about
While I think the taping of Kerry Smith is disgraceful journalism by the Mail, it does seem clear that Kerry Smith is wholly unsuitable to be a candidate. He should be, at the least, stripped of candidacy. The anti-East Asian racism was the worst element.
One suspects that you wouldn't bat an eyelid if it was a member of another party that they'd taped. You're only bothered because a Kipper got caught out.
Except when David Cameron got caught saying stuff about the Queen, I defended him on here on the same basis that private remarks are private. And in this case, I've condemned the UKIP candidate. Don't let facts get in the way of your prejudice. Just because you're a completely hypocritical partisan only interested in smearing other parties, doesn't mean we all are.
An inadvisable comment coming from you Socrates/. Last week you were blaming the EU for the British Courts not jailing a paedophile indefinitely.
Unfortunately you allowed your prejudice get in the way of the facts and the rest of your comment therefore applies equally to you.
I am willing to admit when I am wrong and have done on this site several times. I saw your comment but didn't have time to check your sources. If you can link the true reasoning behind it again and your explanation stands up, then I will happily correct myself.
(I don't think TheWatcher has EVER apologised for being wrong on here, for what it's worth.)
You just don't get it, do you. It is precisely because he refers to "Chinks", "Pooftahs" and "Peasants" (the later meaning jumped up working class people who think they are in the elite), and that using such language causes a fit of the vapours among right thinking people that he is attracting far more votes than he loses.
You just don't get it, do you. Each of those terms is simply offensive name-calling. It doesn't add anything to political discourse. As my grandfather used to say: "Never offend someone unnecessarily" (along with "never make an enemy unintentionally", it's one of my favourite lessons)
pity your grandad hadn't taken young Cameron into his counsel. Fruitcakes, loonies etc.
Cameron was very perceptive (as well as polite) David Souter - UKIPper in charge of candidtate selection - quote to his own people at Welsh Conference -- ''Half my job is spent not finding good candidates to stand, it is weeding out the lunatics, the people who shouldn’t be there'' (from a tape as passed on to The Sunday Times --- 'examining one party stalwart “was a bit like taking a big english sheepdog to a vet”. ') He needs the sack because he is a total failure.
Meantime is good to to know that kippers think 'peasants' are merey 'jumped up' working class people who ought to know better. And to think we had all that fuss over a white van. Just when you actually thought there might be a tiny crack in the logic of the ongoing anti UKIP crusade along comes Mr Smith and his bad back. This (???!!!) is the man who is better than Bolter and Hamilton!!! Spare us the pathetic excuses please. Dirty water will find its own level. Desmond has found his true niche at last. Kippers really are a bunch of degenerates.
A lot of bullshit there, but the biggest outright lie is
"Kippers everywhere declare him the right man all along."
Most of it looks factual, which bits do you dispute?
Too much of it to get into a day long boring dispute with you about
... or you could be wrong.
"What is not factual is, I am ashamed to admit, sarcastic"
Flightpath admitted a lot of it wasn't fact.. so you were wrong
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You can't escape your past.
I can never work out if they've left themselves with power without responsibility or responsibility without power.
Feminist group won't give answers on 62p-an-hour T-shirt as Mauritius bans MoS team behind exposé
The t-shirts were made for The Fawcett Society at a Mauritius textile factory
Workers were paid just 62p an hour and were sleeping 16 to a room
When the MoS revealed the scandal, the society vowed to investigate
But six weeks on little progress seems to have been made
The journalists behind the story have been banned from going to Mauritius
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2872874/This-wall-silence-sounds-like-Feminist-group-won-t-answers-62p-hour-T-shirt-Mauritius-bans-MoS-team-expos.html#ixzz3LswY6NkV
I still can't get my head around it. Are handcuffs banned too? I gather *big* dildos are. What's the definition of that? Pre or post child birth sized? It's a complete nonsense by the curtain twitchers.
I stand to be corrected, or advised by those better informed, of course!
RT @JohnDonoghue64: #Christmas decorations: Hospital style... pic.twitter.com/rx67JuLbHU
Lamarck was wrong but not as totally as we thought. The whole subject of epigenetics is still new-ish but moving on.
With glucose metabolism, there's lots of potential targets for DNA methylation. Mostly the slate is wiped clean between generations, but not totally.
http://www.naturalhistorymag.com/features/142195/beyond-dna-epigenetics
A very brief summary of the book published in 2012 on epigenetics.
https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/544146091139424256
So while all three give different results, all three have the SNP and Labour within a five-seat range.
UNS also suggests that Jim Murphy would lose his seat, after a recount or two, but the other models suggests he would hold on, by varying majorities. But with the BBC reporting that he is to stand down and seek a Holyrood seat before 2016, his Renfrewshire E. constituency could become a very interesting three-way fight – it was blue (in fact, the bluest Scottish seat, I believe) until 1997 on the same 1983 boundaries that are in use today, albeit under a different name for most of that time.
Thanks for the links. I have a daughter studying degree biology and presently DNA so have passed this on. I do love Ms Careys comments on the video page of her website .......
"I'm creating some video clips on YouTube to explain certain aspects of epigenetics. My excitement was only sligtly dampened when I discovered that footage of my brother falling off his son's mini scooter got three times as many hits.
This, I suspect, is why Horizon is never scheduled opposite Total Wipeout......."
http://www.nessacarey.co.uk/lights-camera-epigenetics.php
But the Sunil's editorial team were divided. Mark Commode, our film critic, was in favour, as was our "TV" chef, Olie Jamiver. In contrast, resident clairvoyant, Mystic Smeg, was adamantly opposed, as she predicts that the Greens won't win any seats next May. Page 3 Model Train coordinator, Clair Fix was also against, leaving Lord Sunil with the deciding vote.
Unfortunately you allowed your prejudice get in the way of the facts and the rest of your comment therefore applies equally to you.
(I don't think TheWatcher has EVER apologised for being wrong on here, for what it's worth.)
Flightpath admitted a lot of it wasn't fact.. so you were wrong