One thing is for sure - Populus either know something the other pollsters are missing or they are massively inflating the big 2 at the expense of the rest.
Regarding the critcisms on here of Kelly Tollhurst by BenM & Roger -their views can be discounted as both are Labour supporters but to then denigrate the primary voters for choosing her does show a more serious contempt for the electors. Certainly in Roger's rather strange world Tory voters barely deserve the right to vote. Politics really shouldn't be that nasty.
Iirc Conservative posters were similarly unimpressed by Kelly Tolhurst's performance to date, or as an advert for primaries. After seeing Kelly on the hustings, CCHQ seems to have joined Labour in sitting this one out.
DC's warning about a potential global economic problem is very true, but will be ignored by many short-term thinking politicians in the UK and Western Europe. These politicians tend to put political reform/control far ahead of the economic well-being of their electorate.
The Americas, Asia and Africa and Australasia can now manage very well without bothering about Western Europe - it is about time our politicians work up to reality and that wage increases are no longer the norm - do they want us to eat dirt before they come to their selfish and self-serving senses?
The biggest risks to the UK economy are domestic.
Totally agree, another Labour government so soon would be a disaster.
One thing is for sure - Populus either know something the other pollsters are missing or they are massively inflating the big 2 at the expense of the rest.
Regarding the critcisms on here of Kelly Tollhurst by BenM & Roger -their views can be discounted as both are Labour supporters but to then denigrate the primary voters for choosing her does show a more serious contempt for the electors. Certainly in Roger's rather strange world Tory voters barely deserve the right to vote. Politics really shouldn't be that nasty.
Bizarre argument, can we not criticise any elected politician for fear of showing contempt for the electorate?
You obviously haven't seen or heard Kelly in action.
One thing is for sure - Populus either know something the other pollsters are missing or they are massively inflating the big 2 at the expense of the rest.
Regarding the critcisms on here of Kelly Tollhurst by BenM & Roger -their views can be discounted as both are Labour supporters but to then denigrate the primary voters for choosing her does show a more serious contempt for the electors. Certainly in Roger's rather strange world Tory voters barely deserve the right to vote. Politics really shouldn't be that nasty.
The amusing thing is that those who lay into Ms Tolhurst are often the same people who complain about 'professional politicians' with Oxford PPE degrees and who keep saying they want MPs to be more like the electorate, have had proper jobs, etc. That's why it's so funny that it's the 'People's Army' candidate who's the Christ Church PPE graduate, who has never done a proper job in his life, just banking and law.
"Senior members of UKIP are campaigning behind the scenes to have Patrick O'Flynn MEP removed as economic spokesman after his appearance on the BBC's Newsnight programme last Monday night."
"His opponents are now circulating a letter calling for him to go, which they hope to publish this week. One source who is not involved with the letter told Breitbart London: “He really does need to shut up with all talk of aggressive tax avoidance and bashing big business... It's a real mistake to have a pinko in such an important position."
If someone was ever again going to call someone a "pinko", it was surely going to have to be in UKIP. Just wouldn't have expected it to be one of their own they were talking about.
They make awesome motor vehicles and keep on invading the Frogs, which causes us and The Yanks (and the Cannucks) to liberate them, which upsets the French psyche.
"Senior members of UKIP are campaigning behind the scenes to have Patrick O'Flynn MEP removed as economic spokesman after his appearance on the BBC's Newsnight programme last Monday night."
"His opponents are now circulating a letter calling for him to go, which they hope to publish this week. One source who is not involved with the letter told Breitbart London: “He really does need to shut up with all talk of aggressive tax avoidance and bashing big business... It's a real mistake to have a pinko in such an important position."
If someone was ever again going to call someone a "pinko", it was surely going to have to be in UKIP. Just wouldn't have expected it to be one of their own they were talking about.
Mr. Moses, Hitchens can sometimes make interesting comments, but he's utterly bonkers.
Indeed and he used to be a fairly down the middle commentator years ago. I have no issue about him going one way or the other but at least be sensible when you do it (though tricky of course the further to the left you move I suppose? )
He is the Tories Dan hodges but interesting they both write in right of centre media. Good for a laugh if nowt else.
He has moved to the left? Interesting view as he used to be a trot
Peter Hitchins is a Tory, are you thinking of the late Christopher Hitchens?
Nope, Peter. He was a Trotskyist in the 60s and 70s until he saw the light. Hence he is well placed to call out the centrists who increasingly try to inflict commie ideas upon us
Didn't realise you were going back that far, he joined the Tory Party in 1997.
Mr. Moses, Hitchens can sometimes make interesting comments, but he's utterly bonkers.
Indeed and he used to be a fairly down the middle commentator years ago. I have no issue about him going one way or the other but at least be sensible when you do it (though tricky of course the further to the left you move I suppose? )
He is the Tories Dan hodges but interesting they both write in right of centre media. Good for a laugh if nowt else.
He has moved to the left? Interesting view as he used to be a trot
Peter Hitchins is a Tory, are you thinking of the late Christopher Hitchens?
Nope, Peter. He was a Trotskyist in the 60s and 70s until he saw the light. Hence he is well placed to call out the centrists who increasingly try to inflict commie ideas upon us
"Senior members of UKIP are campaigning behind the scenes to have Patrick O'Flynn MEP removed as economic spokesman after his appearance on the BBC's Newsnight programme last Monday night."
"His opponents are now circulating a letter calling for him to go, which they hope to publish this week. One source who is not involved with the letter told Breitbart London: “He really does need to shut up with all talk of aggressive tax avoidance and bashing big business... It's a real mistake to have a pinko in such an important position."
I haven't seen the interview, but it's very foolish of anyone within UKIP to object to big business bashing. Big business, like big government, is well suited to conditions within the EU, and will fight hard to stay in. Getting out of the EU will benefit small business disproportionately, which is a good thing, as small business is where the possibility of employment growth lies. It is best therefore to do as UKIP have been doing, attacking big business before being attacked. Sucking up to these companies will do no good when they will only turn around and use their clout to try to instil fear about withdrawal. Discredit them first, and their attacks will look self serving and dishonest.
One thing is for sure - Populus either know something the other pollsters are missing or they are massively inflating the big 2 at the expense of the rest.
Regarding the critcisms on here of Kelly Tollhurst by BenM & Roger -their views can be discounted as both are Labour supporters but to then denigrate the primary voters for choosing her does show a more serious contempt for the electors. Certainly in Roger's rather strange world Tory voters barely deserve the right to vote. Politics really shouldn't be that nasty.
Iirc Conservative posters were similarly unimpressed by Kelly Tolhurst's performance to date, or as an advert for primaries. After seeing Kelly on the hustings, CCHQ seems to have joined Labour in sitting this one out.
That would be a good story if it was true. It's amazing how people living a long way from North Kent seem to know a great deal about what is happening in the constituency. George Osborne no less is there today as were a lot of ordinary Joe party workers over the weekend. The Tories are fighting this hard - if we lose it won't be from want of trying.
One thing is for sure - Populus either know something the other pollsters are missing or they are massively inflating the big 2 at the expense of the rest.
Regarding the critcisms on here of Kelly Tollhurst by BenM & Roger -their views can be discounted as both are Labour supporters but to then denigrate the primary voters for choosing her does show a more serious contempt for the electors. Certainly in Roger's rather strange world Tory voters barely deserve the right to vote. Politics really shouldn't be that nasty.
The amusing thing is that those who lay into Ms Tolhurst are often the same people who complain about 'professional politicians' with Oxford PPE degrees and who keep saying they want MPs to be more like the electorate, have had proper jobs, etc. That's why it's so funny that it's the 'People's Army' candidate who's the Christ Church PPE graduate, who has never done a proper job in his life, just banking and law.
And ironic that a party led by Old Etonian PPE graduates, and previously represented in this very constituency by this very same PPE man, should criticise him for it.
What it does show is that perhaps PPCs and byelection candidates in particular should be given more training, although even many frontbench politicians are lousy speakers these days.
One thing is for sure - Populus either know something the other pollsters are missing or they are massively inflating the big 2 at the expense of the rest.
Regarding the critcisms on here of Kelly Tollhurst by BenM & Roger -their views can be discounted as both are Labour supporters but to then denigrate the primary voters for choosing her does show a more serious contempt for the electors. Certainly in Roger's rather strange world Tory voters barely deserve the right to vote. Politics really shouldn't be that nasty.
Iirc Conservative posters were similarly unimpressed by Kelly Tolhurst's performance to date, or as an advert for primaries. After seeing Kelly on the hustings, CCHQ seems to have joined Labour in sitting this one out.
That would be a good story if it was true. It's amazing how people living a long way from North Kent seem to know a great deal about what is happening in the constituency. George Osborne no less is there today
Given that the East End is pretty well correlated with Tower Hamlets, this should be the big demographic groups of the Eastenders cast:
Bangladeshi: 32% White British: 31% White Other: 12% Black African: 4% Chinese: 3%
One Asian family in it last time I watched, and no Eastern Europeans
If they renamed it 'Essex Suburbs' it would be realistic
I've always mentally located it in Stepney, somewhere like Arbour Square just off the Commercial Road.
Why is anybody worried about the racial composition of the cast? The scripts are so bloody implausible they could have it played exclusively by South Sea Islanders and it wouldn't be any less like the real thing.
One thing is for sure - Populus either know something the other pollsters are missing or they are massively inflating the big 2 at the expense of the rest.
Regarding the critcisms on here of Kelly Tollhurst by BenM & Roger -their views can be discounted as both are Labour supporters but to then denigrate the primary voters for choosing her does show a more serious contempt for the electors. Certainly in Roger's rather strange world Tory voters barely deserve the right to vote. Politics really shouldn't be that nasty.
Iirc Conservative posters were similarly unimpressed by Kelly Tolhurst's performance to date, or as an advert for primaries. After seeing Kelly on the hustings, CCHQ seems to have joined Labour in sitting this one out.
That would be a good story if it was true. It's amazing how people living a long way from North Kent seem to know a great deal about what is happening in the constituency. George Osborne no less is there today
That's all she needs.
George Osborne is the country's most popular politician according to the gold standard of UK polling.
"Senior members of UKIP are campaigning behind the scenes to have Patrick O'Flynn MEP removed as economic spokesman after his appearance on the BBC's Newsnight programme last Monday night."
"His opponents are now circulating a letter calling for him to go, which they hope to publish this week. One source who is not involved with the letter told Breitbart London: “He really does need to shut up with all talk of aggressive tax avoidance and bashing big business... It's a real mistake to have a pinko in such an important position."
If someone was ever again going to call someone a "pinko", it was surely going to have to be in UKIP. Just wouldn't have expected it to be one of their own they were talking about.
Ferrets in a sack....
Pinko is such a poor insult.
Traitorous Pigdog on the other hand
As if by magic, I appear when those words appear.... unbelievably I've put some more against the Rochester schweinhund.
So have I.
Did you see my suggestion to your question for the collective noun for a group of traitorous pigdogs?
"Senior members of UKIP are campaigning behind the scenes to have Patrick O'Flynn MEP removed as economic spokesman after his appearance on the BBC's Newsnight programme last Monday night."
"His opponents are now circulating a letter calling for him to go, which they hope to publish this week. One source who is not involved with the letter told Breitbart London: “He really does need to shut up with all talk of aggressive tax avoidance and bashing big business... It's a real mistake to have a pinko in such an important position."
If someone was ever again going to call someone a "pinko", it was surely going to have to be in UKIP. Just wouldn't have expected it to be one of their own they were talking about.
They make awesome motor vehicles and keep on invading the Frogs, which causes us and The Yanks (and the Cannucks) to liberate them, which upsets the French psyche.
Q: Why are the roads of Northern France lined with trees? A: So the Wehrmacht can march in the shade.
I've just had £2 on the Conservatives for R&S @ 28 and £2 on Labour @ £520.
Even if you expect UKIP to win these odds are worth a few quid.
Or are the PB Tories 'all fart and no follow through' ?
I've taken a little on the Tories. The current odds are barmy - the Tories should be around 5/1, given how much of UKIP's support comes from people who may not actually get round to voting. Also, I heard some moderately encouraging feedback from an experienced canvasser last night.
28-1 does look extreme. I know nothing about the scene on the ground, but I wonder if punters are going too much on Tory expectations management talk.
"Senior members of UKIP are campaigning behind the scenes to have Patrick O'Flynn MEP removed as economic spokesman after his appearance on the BBC's Newsnight programme last Monday night."
"His opponents are now circulating a letter calling for him to go, which they hope to publish this week. One source who is not involved with the letter told Breitbart London: “He really does need to shut up with all talk of aggressive tax avoidance and bashing big business... It's a real mistake to have a pinko in such an important position."
If someone was ever again going to call someone a "pinko", it was surely going to have to be in UKIP. Just wouldn't have expected it to be one of their own they were talking about.
They make awesome motor vehicles and keep on invading the Frogs, which causes us and The Yanks (and the Cannucks) to liberate them, which upsets the French psyche.
One thing is for sure - Populus either know something the other pollsters are missing or they are massively inflating the big 2 at the expense of the rest.
Regarding the critcisms on here of Kelly Tollhurst by BenM & Roger -their views can be discounted as both are Labour supporters but to then denigrate the primary voters for choosing her does show a more serious contempt for the electors. Certainly in Roger's rather strange world Tory voters barely deserve the right to vote. Politics really shouldn't be that nasty.
Bizarre argument, can we not criticise any elected politician for fear of showing contempt for the electorate?
You obviously haven't seen or heard Kelly in action.
You can do as you wish about candidates my objection was primarily to the contemptuous comments about voters. It's probably the main reason why so many have turned away from mainstream parties. At the end of the day democracy is all about reflecting the views of the voters and they deserve respect whatever you might think of politicians.
One thing is for sure - Populus either know something the other pollsters are missing or they are massively inflating the big 2 at the expense of the rest.
Regarding the critcisms on here of Kelly Tollhurst by BenM & Roger -their views can be discounted as both are Labour supporters but to then denigrate the primary voters for choosing her does show a more serious contempt for the electors. Certainly in Roger's rather strange world Tory voters barely deserve the right to vote. Politics really shouldn't be that nasty.
One thing is for sure - Populus either know something the other pollsters are missing or they are massively inflating the big 2 at the expense of the rest.
Regarding the critcisms on here of Kelly Tollhurst by BenM & Roger -their views can be discounted as both are Labour supporters but to then denigrate the primary voters for choosing her does show a more serious contempt for the electors. Certainly in Roger's rather strange world Tory voters barely deserve the right to vote. Politics really shouldn't be that nasty.
The amusing thing is that those who lay into Ms Tolhurst are often the same people who complain about 'professional politicians' with Oxford PPE degrees and who keep saying they want MPs to be more like the electorate, have had proper jobs, etc. That's why it's so funny that it's the 'People's Army' candidate who's the Christ Church PPE graduate, who has never done a proper job in his life, just banking and law.
And ironic that a party led by Old Etonian PPE graduates, and previously represented in this very constituency by this very same PPE man, should criticise him for it.
What it does show is that perhaps PPCs and byelection candidates in particular should be given more training, although even many frontbench politicians are lousy speakers these days.
Now are you seriously going to criticise Conservativesonly for this - how's the millionnaire tax evader and scion of the dynasticus millipedus doing as the leader of the workers' party these days?
The clip may have been a little unfair on the Tory candidate. She had a difficult question. Admittedly, a seven year old might have done better, but look at the background. An audience strongly against unlimited immigration and she had to defend a failure to control the numbers.
The Labour candidate merely had to tell a couple of porkies. "Yes, we're sorry about 2004 and we'll do better next time."
The official opposition response may go along the lines of "Well, we thought the other countries would open their borders completely too, but the rotters didn't." when in fact, their honest response is "Tough, we're committed to unlimited immigration so suck it up." Obviously the truth that dare not speak its name in that setting.
One thing is for sure - Populus either know something the other pollsters are missing or they are massively inflating the big 2 at the expense of the rest.
Regarding the critcisms on here of Kelly Tollhurst by BenM & Roger -their views can be discounted as both are Labour supporters but to then denigrate the primary voters for choosing her does show a more serious contempt for the electors. Certainly in Roger's rather strange world Tory voters barely deserve the right to vote. Politics really shouldn't be that nasty.
You saying Kelly is a good candidate?
I mean seriously?
Are you her mother?
Oh of course - is that why she is so far behind Labour in the polling. Are you therefore expecting Labour to win on Thursday - or at least come a very strong second leaving Ms Tollhurst in her wake?
One thing is for sure - Populus either know something the other pollsters are missing or they are massively inflating the big 2 at the expense of the rest.
Regarding the critcisms on here of Kelly Tollhurst by BenM & Roger -their views can be discounted as both are Labour supporters but to then denigrate the primary voters for choosing her does show a more serious contempt for the electors. Certainly in Roger's rather strange world Tory voters barely deserve the right to vote. Politics really shouldn't be that nasty.
Iirc Conservative posters were similarly unimpressed by Kelly Tolhurst's performance to date, or as an advert for primaries. After seeing Kelly on the hustings, CCHQ seems to have joined Labour in sitting this one out.
That would be a good story if it was true. It's amazing how people living a long way from North Kent seem to know a great deal about what is happening in the constituency. George Osborne no less is there today
That's all she needs.
George very clever on the newsbites with a soundbite:
"blah blah...long term economic plan...blah blah."
ie we're in the middle of something bigger, better, stronger, more successful than all of us (and particularly than those in Europe, Japan), etc, for god's sake don't interrupt by voting in Lab.
"Senior members of UKIP are campaigning behind the scenes to have Patrick O'Flynn MEP removed as economic spokesman after his appearance on the BBC's Newsnight programme last Monday night."
"His opponents are now circulating a letter calling for him to go, which they hope to publish this week. One source who is not involved with the letter told Breitbart London: “He really does need to shut up with all talk of aggressive tax avoidance and bashing big business... It's a real mistake to have a pinko in such an important position."
If someone was ever again going to call someone a "pinko", it was surely going to have to be in UKIP. Just wouldn't have expected it to be one of their own they were talking about.
One thing is for sure - Populus either know something the other pollsters are missing or they are massively inflating the big 2 at the expense of the rest.
Regarding the critcisms on here of Kelly Tollhurst by BenM & Roger -their views can be discounted as both are Labour supporters but to then denigrate the primary voters for choosing her does show a more serious contempt for the electors. Certainly in Roger's rather strange world Tory voters barely deserve the right to vote. Politics really shouldn't be that nasty.
The amusing thing is that those who lay into Ms Tolhurst are often the same people who complain about 'professional politicians' with Oxford PPE degrees and who keep saying they want MPs to be more like the electorate, have had proper jobs, etc. That's why it's so funny that it's the 'People's Army' candidate who's the Christ Church PPE graduate, who has never done a proper job in his life, just banking and law.
And ironic that a party led by Old Etonian PPE graduates, and previously represented in this very constituency by this very same PPE man, should criticise him for it.
What it does show is that perhaps PPCs and byelection candidates in particular should be given more training, although even many frontbench politicians are lousy speakers these days.
Now are you seriously going to criticise Conservativesonly for this - how's the millionnaire tax evader and scion of the dynasticus millipedus doing as the leader of the workers' party these days?
Eh? The Conservatives put out a leaflet criticising Reckless for not being local and for being an Oxford PPE graduate. That is the point.
One thing is for sure - Populus either know something the other pollsters are missing or they are massively inflating the big 2 at the expense of the rest.
Regarding the critcisms on here of Kelly Tollhurst by BenM & Roger -their views can be discounted as both are Labour supporters but to then denigrate the primary voters for choosing her does show a more serious contempt for the electors. Certainly in Roger's rather strange world Tory voters barely deserve the right to vote. Politics really shouldn't be that nasty.
Iirc Conservative posters were similarly unimpressed by Kelly Tolhurst's performance to date, or as an advert for primaries. After seeing Kelly on the hustings, CCHQ seems to have joined Labour in sitting this one out.
That would be a good story if it was true. It's amazing how people living a long way from North Kent seem to know a great deal about what is happening in the constituency. George Osborne no less is there today
That's all she needs.
George very clever on the newsbites with a soundbite:
"blah blah...long term economic plan...blah blah."
ie we're in the middle of something bigger, better, stronger, more successful than all of us (and particularly than those in Europe, Japan), etc, for god's sake don't interrupt by voting in Lab.
One thing is for sure - Populus either know something the other pollsters are missing or they are massively inflating the big 2 at the expense of the rest.
Regarding the critcisms on here of Kelly Tollhurst by BenM & Roger -their views can be discounted as both are Labour supporters but to then denigrate the primary voters for choosing her does show a more serious contempt for the electors. Certainly in Roger's rather strange world Tory voters barely deserve the right to vote. Politics really shouldn't be that nasty.
The amusing thing is that those who lay into Ms Tolhurst are often the same people who complain about 'professional politicians' with Oxford PPE degrees and who keep saying they want MPs to be more like the electorate, have had proper jobs, etc. That's why it's so funny that it's the 'People's Army' candidate who's the Christ Church PPE graduate, who has never done a proper job in his life, just banking and law.
And ironic that a party led by Old Etonian PPE graduates, and previously represented in this very constituency by this very same PPE man, should criticise him for it.
What it does show is that perhaps PPCs and byelection candidates in particular should be given more training, although even many frontbench politicians are lousy speakers these days.
Now are you seriously going to criticise Conservativesonly for this - how's the millionnaire tax evader and scion of the dynasticus millipedus doing as the leader of the workers' party these days?
Eh? The Conservatives put out a leaflet criticising Reckless for not being local and for being an Oxford PPE graduate. That is the point.
Err no - Miliband repeatedly criticises the Conservatives for elitism despite the his own privileged background. The point is that politicians do hypocricy at times...all of them... end of. Have you never heard PMQs - it's his standard line whenever he's doing badly - he has to use it a lot:)
He has been right on the money regarding US interference in the Ukraine too.
In the second link he discusses the Midsomer Murders controversy, where the producer defended the lack of non white characters
If people got uptight about Midsomer Murders, why aren't they up in arms about EastEnders? Midsomer is far more accurate in its portrayal of the demographic... There aren't that many non white people in the kind of areas it is set, and so the show is quite realistic.
Eastenders cast however, should be mainly Muslim, over 50% non white ,with a large percentage of Eastern Europeans. many of the cahracters should be unable to or prefer not to speak English... The portrayal is more of West Essex than the East End of London
this is surely racist? I think the reason the bbc cast the show thus is because if it were accurate, non Londoners simply wouldn't believe it
And wonder what the viewing figures will be. Would give pay the lie about how we all love multiculturalism.
One thing is for sure - Populus either know something the other pollsters are missing or they are massively inflating the big 2 at the expense of the rest.
Regarding the critcisms on here of Kelly Tollhurst by BenM & Roger -their views can be discounted as both are Labour supporters but to then denigrate the primary voters for choosing her does show a more serious contempt for the electors. Certainly in Roger's rather strange world Tory voters barely deserve the right to vote. Politics really shouldn't be that nasty.
You saying Kelly is a good candidate?
I mean seriously?
Are you her mother?
How do you know she won't be a first rate hard working MP for her constituents? You seem to be judging a book by its cover which I thought was a supposed Tory fault.
One thing is for sure - Populus either know something the other pollsters are missing or they are massively inflating the big 2 at the expense of the rest.
Regarding the critcisms on here of Kelly Tollhurst by BenM & Roger -their views can be discounted as both are Labour supporters but to then denigrate the primary voters for choosing her does show a more serious contempt for the electors. Certainly in Roger's rather strange world Tory voters barely deserve the right to vote. Politics really shouldn't be that nasty.
The amusing thing is that those who lay into Ms Tolhurst are often the same people who complain about 'professional politicians' with Oxford PPE degrees and who keep saying they want MPs to be more like the electorate, have had proper jobs, etc. That's why it's so funny that it's the 'People's Army' candidate who's the Christ Church PPE graduate, who has never done a proper job in his life, just banking and law.
And ironic that a party led by Old Etonian PPE graduates, and previously represented in this very constituency by this very same PPE man, should criticise him for it.
What it does show is that perhaps PPCs and byelection candidates in particular should be given more training, although even many frontbench politicians are lousy speakers these days.
Now are you seriously going to criticise Conservativesonly for this - how's the millionnaire tax evader and scion of the dynasticus millipedus doing as the leader of the workers' party these days?
Eh? The Conservatives put out a leaflet criticising Reckless for not being local and for being an Oxford PPE graduate. That is the point.
Err no - Miliband repeatedly criticises the Conservatives for elitism despite the his own privileged background. The point is that politicians do hypocricy at times...all of them... end of. Have you never heard PMQs - it's his standard line whenever he's doing badly - he has to use it a lot:)
It is doubly silly because Reckless was the Tory MP until a few weeks ago, when presumably the party had no complaints about his background, and because the leaflet is also complaining about the background of half its own party's leadership.
One thing is for sure - Populus either know something the other pollsters are missing or they are massively inflating the big 2 at the expense of the rest.
Regarding the critcisms on here of Kelly Tollhurst by BenM & Roger -their views can be discounted as both are Labour supporters but to then denigrate the primary voters for choosing her does show a more serious contempt for the electors. Certainly in Roger's rather strange world Tory voters barely deserve the right to vote. Politics really shouldn't be that nasty.
The amusing thing is that those who lay into Ms Tolhurst are often the same people who complain about 'professional politicians' with Oxford PPE degrees and who keep saying they want MPs to be more like the electorate, have had proper jobs, etc. That's why it's so funny that it's the 'People's Army' candidate who's the Christ Church PPE graduate, who has never done a proper job in his life, just banking and law.
And ironic that a party led by Old Etonian PPE graduates, and previously represented in this very constituency by this very same PPE man, should criticise him for it.
What it does show is that perhaps PPCs and byelection candidates in particular should be given more training, although even many frontbench politicians are lousy speakers these days.
Now are you seriously going to criticise Conservativesonly for this - how's the millionnaire tax evader and scion of the dynasticus millipedus doing as the leader of the workers' party these days?
''previously represented in this very constituency by this very same PPE man, should criticise him for it.'' They are criticising him for being a hypocrite. For dropping all the policies he previously supported like a stone out of self interest. For being now supposedly anti politics when he has been part of the system so long.
One thing is for sure - Populus either know something the other pollsters are missing or they are massively inflating the big 2 at the expense of the rest.
Regarding the critcisms on here of Kelly Tollhurst by BenM & Roger -their views can be discounted as both are Labour supporters but to then denigrate the primary voters for choosing her does show a more serious contempt for the electors. Certainly in Roger's rather strange world Tory voters barely deserve the right to vote. Politics really shouldn't be that nasty.
The amusing thing is that those who lay into Ms Tolhurst are often the same people who complain about 'professional politicians' with Oxford PPE degrees and who keep saying they want MPs to be more like the electorate, have had proper jobs, etc. That's why it's so funny that it's the 'People's Army' candidate who's the Christ Church PPE graduate, who has never done a proper job in his life, just banking and law.
And ironic that a party led by Old Etonian PPE graduates, and previously represented in this very constituency by this very same PPE man, should criticise him for it.
What it does show is that perhaps PPCs and byelection candidates in particular should be given more training, although even many frontbench politicians are lousy speakers these days.
Now are you seriously going to criticise Conservativesonly for this - how's the millionnaire tax evader and scion of the dynasticus millipedus doing as the leader of the workers' party these days?
Eh? The Conservatives put out a leaflet criticising Reckless for not being local and for being an Oxford PPE graduate. That is the point.
Err no - Miliband repeatedly criticises the Conservatives for elitism despite the his own privileged background. The point is that politicians do hypocricy at times...all of them... end of. Have you never heard PMQs - it's his standard line whenever he's doing badly - he has to use it a lot:)
It is doubly silly because Reckless was the Tory MP until a few weeks ago, when presumably the party had no complaints about his background, and because the leaflet is also complaining about the background of half its own party's leadership.
Again, it is a Conservative Party leaflet.
Which provides information that the electorate may wish to know.
I am sure if they are impressed by Reckless's credentials they will vote for him regardless.
One thing is for sure - Populus either know something the other pollsters are missing or they are massively inflating the big 2 at the expense of the rest.
Regarding the critcisms on here of Kelly Tollhurst by BenM & Roger -their views can be discounted as both are Labour supporters but to then denigrate the primary voters for choosing her does show a more serious contempt for the electors. Certainly in Roger's rather strange world Tory voters barely deserve the right to vote. Politics really shouldn't be that nasty.
The amusing thing is that those who lay into Ms Tolhurst are often the same people who complain about 'professional politicians' with Oxford PPE degrees and who keep saying they want MPs to be more like the electorate, have had proper jobs, etc. That's why it's so funny that it's the 'People's Army' candidate who's the Christ Church PPE graduate, who has never done a proper job in his life, just banking and law.
In what way are banking and law not proper jobs? They're legitimate, profit-making professions. It's hardly being a SPAD.
And, the issue isn't that an individual has a PPE degree. It's that a disproportionate number of a party does, and that causes group think. It looks like UKIP's parliamentary party will have a good mix.
One thing is for sure - Populus either know something the other pollsters are missing or they are massively inflating the big 2 at the expense of the rest.
Regarding the critcisms on here of Kelly Tollhurst by BenM & Roger -their views can be discounted as both are Labour supporters but to then denigrate the primary voters for choosing her does show a more serious contempt for the electors. Certainly in Roger's rather strange world Tory voters barely deserve the right to vote. Politics really shouldn't be that nasty.
The amusing thing is that those who lay into Ms Tolhurst are often the same people who complain about 'professional politicians' with Oxford PPE degrees and who keep saying they want MPs to be more like the electorate, have had proper jobs, etc. That's why it's so funny that it's the 'People's Army' candidate who's the Christ Church PPE graduate, who has never done a proper job in his life, just banking and law.
And ironic that a party led by Old Etonian PPE graduates, and previously represented in this very constituency by this very same PPE man, should criticise him for it.
What it does show is that perhaps PPCs and byelection candidates in particular should be given more training, although even many frontbench politicians are lousy speakers these days.
Now are you seriously going to criticise Conservativesonly for this - how's the millionnaire tax evader and scion of the dynasticus millipedus doing as the leader of the workers' party these days?
Eh? The Conservatives put out a leaflet criticising Reckless for not being local and for being an Oxford PPE graduate. That is the point.
Err no - Miliband repeatedly criticises the Conservatives for elitism despite the his own privileged background. The point is that politicians do hypocricy at times...all of them... end of. Have you never heard PMQs - it's his standard line whenever he's doing badly - he has to use it a lot:)
It is doubly silly because Reckless was the Tory MP until a few weeks ago, when presumably the party had no complaints about his background, and because the leaflet is also complaining about the background of half its own party's leadership.
Again, it is a Conservative Party leaflet.
So basically I was right - only the Conservatives can be accused of hypocricy because you see no evil in Labour's backyard. Presumably you too are confident of a Labour win or strong second on Thursday?
One thing is for sure - Populus either know something the other pollsters are missing or they are massively inflating the big 2 at the expense of the rest.
Regarding the critcisms on here of Kelly Tollhurst by BenM & Roger -their views can be discounted as both are Labour supporters but to then denigrate the primary voters for choosing her does show a more serious contempt for the electors. Certainly in Roger's rather strange world Tory voters barely deserve the right to vote. Politics really shouldn't be that nasty.
And ironic that a party led by Old Etonian PPE graduates, and previously represented in this very constituency by this very same PPE man, should criticise him for it.
What it does show is that perhaps PPCs and byelection candidates in particular should be given more training, although even many frontbench politicians are lousy speakers these days.
Now are you seriously going to criticise Conservativesonly for this - how's the millionnaire tax evader and scion of the dynasticus millipedus doing as the leader of the workers' party these days?
Eh? The Conservatives put out a leaflet criticising Reckless for not being local and for being an Oxford PPE graduate. That is the point.
Err no - Miliband repeatedly criticises the Conservatives for elitism despite the his own privileged background. The point is that politicians do hypocricy at times...all of them... end of. Have you never heard PMQs - it's his standard line whenever he's doing badly - he has to use it a lot:)
It is doubly silly because Reckless was the Tory MP until a few weeks ago, when presumably the party had no complaints about his background, and because the leaflet is also complaining about the background of half its own party's leadership.
Again, it is a Conservative Party leaflet.
Which provides information that the electorate may wish to know.
I am sure if they are impressed by Reckless's credentials they will vote for him regardless.
In summary - how dare the Conservatives use normal election tactics ?
And ironic that a party led by Old Etonian PPE graduates, and previously represented in this very constituency by this very same PPE man, should criticise him for it.
Actually I don't think that's quite right, although I agree the whole setup is pretty funny.
What the Conservatives are trying to do, I think, is counter UKIP's completely ludicrous claims about being more in touch, not being professional politicians, not being part of the Establishment, being more representative of ordinary voters than other voters, telling the truth without spin, etc. In the case of Mark Reckless, the UKIP positioning is completely absurd, and I'm not surprised the Tories are trying to expose it for the sham which it so obviously is.
I'm not sure they have gone about this in the most effective way, but the aim is sensible enough.
I'm reading there seems to be a Scottish focused Populus poll out in the field at the moment.
Might be for Better Together.
They were the internal pollsters for Better Together.
Has BT not disbanded as "job done - foes vanquished" ?
To misquote someone else, they haven't gone away you know.
As I understand it, Populus impressed the various component members of Better Together with the accuracy of their polling and providing the right target material on the indy ref.
So I would not be surprised if one of the Unionist parties commissioned them for their accuracy.
And ironic that a party led by Old Etonian PPE graduates, and previously represented in this very constituency by this very same PPE man, should criticise him for it.
Actually I don't think that's quite right, although I agree the whole setup is pretty funny.
What the Conservatives are trying to do, I think, is counter UKIP's completely ludicrous claims about being more in touch, not being professional politicians, not being part of the Establishment, being more representative of ordinary voters than other voters, telling the truth without spin, etc. In the case of Mark Reckless, the UKIP positioning is completely absurd, and I'm not surprised the Tories are trying to expose it for the sham which it so obviously is.
I'm not sure they have gone about this in the most effective way, but the aim is sensible enough.
They haven't gone about it in the right way because they, like you, do not understand the criticism properly.
''previously represented in this very constituency by this very same PPE man, should criticise him for it.'' They are criticising him for being a hypocrite. For dropping all the policies he previously supported like a stone out of self interest. For being now supposedly anti politics when he has been part of the system so long.
Well, at least he has the decency to subject himself to his electorate for re-approval.
What I don't get about PB Tories is the way they attack UKIP for participating in the political process to effect change, as if this is an immoral and unethical act.
Clearly a fine, upstanding and utterly decent person with the best possible taste recovering from a recent 'weakness' fortunately...
Mark Pritchard @MPritchardMP Good to see Cllr Steve Glover, first UKIP Mayor of Market Drayton, Shropshire - leaving UKIP and re-joining the Conservatives. Welcome home!
Clearly a fine, upstanding and utterly decent person with the best possible taste recovering from a recent 'weakness' fortunately...
Mark Pritchard @MPritchardMP Good to see Cllr Steve Glover, first UKIP Mayor of Market Drayton, Shropshire - leaving UKIP and re-joining the Conservatives. Welcome home!
It is written - the trickle shall become a flood....
Clearly a fine, upstanding and utterly decent person with the best possible taste recovering from a recent 'weakness' fortunately...
Mark Pritchard @MPritchardMP Good to see Cllr Steve Glover, first UKIP Mayor of Market Drayton, Shropshire - leaving UKIP and re-joining the Conservatives. Welcome home!
What a loyal, patriotic chap Steve Glover is, I'm glad he's seen the error of his ways.
And ironic that a party led by Old Etonian PPE graduates, and previously represented in this very constituency by this very same PPE man, should criticise him for it.
Actually I don't think that's quite right, although I agree the whole setup is pretty funny.
What the Conservatives are trying to do, I think, is counter UKIP's completely ludicrous claims about being more in touch, not being professional politicians, not being part of the Establishment, being more representative of ordinary voters than other voters, telling the truth without spin, etc. In the case of Mark Reckless, the UKIP positioning is completely absurd, and I'm not surprised the Tories are trying to expose it for the sham which it so obviously is.
I'm not sure they have gone about this in the most effective way, but the aim is sensible enough.
They haven't gone about it in the right way because they, like you, do not understand the criticism properly.
Poppycock. I understand the criticism perfectly well, but, unlike you, I can understand the difference between criticising someone for being a PPE graduate, and criticising someone for posing as something they are not.
Clearly a fine, upstanding and utterly decent person with the best possible taste recovering from a recent 'weakness' fortunately...
Mark Pritchard @MPritchardMP Good to see Cllr Steve Glover, first UKIP Mayor of Market Drayton, Shropshire - leaving UKIP and re-joining the Conservatives. Welcome home!
It is written - the trickle shall become a flood....
Best not mention floods when discussing Kippers....
The problem was (is) that the scale of the NO victory wasn't big enough to settle the issue for good.
If NO had won by, say, 63% to 37% we wouldn't even be having this conversation. A result like that should have been perfectly possible, but the Unionist campaign was not an impressive one.
If No had won by 50.01% the issue would have been settled for good.
Highly unfair process - and hence the YES camp has blown their chance for 35-40 years.
A period of reflection and silence would be welcome. Surely the Scottish voters will see through this massive "look squirrel" argument of tossing about the constitution whilst Scottish Education standards plummet further. It's unsustainable.
What was that thunderous phrase that the bully boy kept repeating in the TV indy debates? It was something like "the sovereign will of the Scottish people". The other night on any questions some politician---was it herself indeed?---kept repeating it in a different guise. Well, this unwholesome stirring will continue, but the sovereign will of the Scots has voted NO, thanks be.
OT Calling PB Physicists. I bought one of those tea light ornaments that uses the heat to make it spin. And it doesn't work. Have I squished out the motion too much by flattening the blades? Or done too much the other way? I've tried a few options and it's failed.
Or of course it could just be a crap purchase! I'm sure someone on here will know the answer - as ever.
The second of these raises some very interesting questions for the UK as a whole if Mr Findlay does win the Scottish Labour leadership election.
Findlay has been absolutely filleted on the trident issue. He's abstained or voted against all motions condemning Trident. Apparently he was all over the place on Good Morning Scotland this AM.
Basically the classic SLAb problem of hating everything the SNP propose, even when it is an SLab idea.
Murphy is hiding in London as well after getting pelters, his Tory credentials not going down well at all. It is dumb and dumber versus Sarah invisible.
What was that thunderous phrase that the bully boy kept repeating in the TV indy debates? It was something like "the sovereign will of the Scottish people". The other night on any questions some politician---was it herself indeed?---kept repeating it in a different guise. Well, this unwholesome stirring will continue, but the sovereign will of the Scots has voted NO, thanks be.
Not for long though, round 2 coming up soon
Have one every week - laws of chance and voter boredom suggest you might win one eventually.
Clearly a fine, upstanding and utterly decent person with the best possible taste recovering from a recent 'weakness' fortunately...
Mark Pritchard @MPritchardMP Good to see Cllr Steve Glover, first UKIP Mayor of Market Drayton, Shropshire - leaving UKIP and re-joining the Conservatives. Welcome home!
Wheels are coming off.. down in the polls.. infighting, defections...
Face justice in the UK... assuming anyone could find enough evidence that would stand up in a British court... claims of temporary insanity, claims of mitigation because he came from a broken home, was beat by his parents, his dog just died, he got out of the wrong side of bed or whatever, then remission for good behaviour, and out in 7 years ?
Is there a market for Carswell's tail-between-legs return too?
I've asked Shadsy to put a market on Douglas Carswell no longer being in UKIP by the end of 2016.
No joy yet.
It must be a fairly high probability, even if you just go on the basis of the half-life of UKIP MEPs. Add to that Carswell's very individualistic take on almost everything, and Farage's apparent tendency to fall out with everyone he works with - maybe evens or so?
Actually although Kellner tries to push the "UKIP taking Labour votes" meme the numbers don't really stack up. The data points to a Tory catastrophe the higher UKIP rise.
What was that thunderous phrase that the bully boy kept repeating in the TV indy debates? It was something like "the sovereign will of the Scottish people". The other night on any questions some politician---was it herself indeed?---kept repeating it in a different guise. Well, this unwholesome stirring will continue, but the sovereign will of the Scots has voted NO, thanks be.
Not for long though, round 2 coming up soon
Have one every week - laws of chance and voter boredom suggest you might win one eventually.
will not be in a week and will not be many , but another one will be along in near term for sure, unionists are bound to welch on their "VOW" on home rule.
He has been right on the money regarding US interference in the Ukraine too.
In the second link he discusses the Midsomer Murders controversy, where the producer defended the lack of non white characters
If people got uptight about Midsomer Murders, why aren't they up in arms about EastEnders? Midsomer is far more accurate in its portrayal of the demographic... There aren't that many non white people in the kind of areas it is set, and so the show is quite realistic.
Eastenders cast however, should be mainly Muslim, over 50% non white ,with a large percentage of Eastern Europeans. many of the cahracters should be unable to or prefer not to speak English... The portrayal is more of West Essex than the East End of London
this is surely racist? I think the reason the bbc cast the show thus is because if it were accurate, non Londoners simply wouldn't believe it
Given that the East End is pretty well correlated with Tower Hamlets, this should be the big demographic groups of the Eastenders cast:
Bangladeshi: 32% White British: 31% White Other: 12% Black African: 4% Chinese: 3%
I've always thought - well, for about the last 10 years I've thought - that if you wanted to make a really edgy TV programme about life in Britain today, you would make one called EastEnders that depicts EastEnders as they actually now are.
You would do it without subtitles, so the dialogue would be in various eastern European and subcontinental languages and 80% unintelligible; and you would film it on actual location, sari shops, polski skleps, fried chicken takeaways and all, rather than in the Dick Van Dyke studio mockup they use. The idea that people in the East End live in squares around a pub and all know each other is frankly out of the 1940s but I suppose the BBC does it to make us all feel that nothing has changed.
Is there a market for Carswell's tail-between-legs return too?
I've asked Shadsy to put a market on Douglas Carswell no longer being in UKIP by the end of 2016.
No joy yet.
It must be a fairly high probability, even if you just go on the basis of the half-life of UKIP MEPs. Add to that Carswell's very individualistic take on almost everything, and Farage's apparent tendency to fall out with everyone he works with - maybe evens or so?
The real trigger point for me was Carswell's victory speech, where he said this
If we speak with passion, let it always be tempered by compassion. We must be a party for all Britain and all Britons: first and second generation as much as every other.
I don't think that's something that's going to compatible with some of UKIP's more excitable members.
Mr. M, whilst the purples do take, it seems, more blue than red votes, it's worth noting that over the medium term the Conservative polling has been more or less flat, whereas UKIP has risen and Labour has declined.
''previously represented in this very constituency by this very same PPE man, should criticise him for it.'' They are criticising him for being a hypocrite. For dropping all the policies he previously supported like a stone out of self interest. For being now supposedly anti politics when he has been part of the system so long.
Well, at least he has the decency to subject himself to his electorate for re-approval.
What I don't get about PB Tories is the way they attack UKIP for participating in the political process to effect change, as if this is an immoral and unethical act.
What did you want Ukippers to do? Pick up a gun?
It is cultism. Look at TSE's barmy insistence that Reckless is a traitor. He just isn't; we don't vote for parties, we vote for individuals, and their duty of allegiance is to the electorate - to whom, as you point out, he has gone for validation of his move. It only looks like treachery if you fundamentally believe that we must all believe in Dave, because He came down to earth from heaven to reign in coalition over us, praise be. The political process is good only to the extent that it proclaims and magnifies His glory. Otherwise, work of the Devil.
Is there a market for Carswell's tail-between-legs return too?
I've asked Shadsy to put a market on Douglas Carswell no longer being in UKIP by the end of 2016.
No joy yet.
It must be a fairly high probability, even if you just go on the basis of the half-life of UKIP MEPs. Add to that Carswell's very individualistic take on almost everything, and Farage's apparent tendency to fall out with everyone he works with - maybe evens or so?
Added to which apparently the majority of Ukip voters are economically left of centre while being socially conservative. The only thing they have in common with the Gladstonian and libertarian Carswell is in being anti-Europe. Someone like Frank Field or Kate Hooey are more representative of the average Ukip voter.
'Actually although Kellner tries to push the "UKIP taking Labour votes" meme the numbers don't really stack up. The data points to a Tory catastrophe the higher UKIP rise.'
I think Kellner might know slightly more about polling than you.
What was that thunderous phrase that the bully boy kept repeating in the TV indy debates? It was something like "the sovereign will of the Scottish people". The other night on any questions some politician---was it herself indeed?---kept repeating it in a different guise. Well, this unwholesome stirring will continue, but the sovereign will of the Scots has voted NO, thanks be.
Not for long though, round 2 coming up soon
Have one every week - laws of chance and voter boredom suggest you might win one eventually.
will not be in a week and will not be many , but another one will be along in near term for sure, unionists are bound to welch on their "VOW" on home rule.
The vow was reposted down thread - nothing about home rule - you can choose what colour of pinnys nurses wear or something.
There won't be another official one anytime soon - the media are bored rotten of it for one thing - never mind the voters.
''previously represented in this very constituency by this very same PPE man, should criticise him for it.'' They are criticising him for being a hypocrite. For dropping all the policies he previously supported like a stone out of self interest. For being now supposedly anti politics when he has been part of the system so long.
Well, at least he has the decency to subject himself to his electorate for re-approval.
What I don't get about PB Tories is the way they attack UKIP for participating in the political process to effect change, as if this is an immoral and unethical act.
What did you want Ukippers to do? Pick up a gun?
It is cultism. Look at TSE's barmy insistence that Reckless is a traitor. He just isn't; we don't vote for parties, we vote for individuals, and their duty of allegiance is to the electorate - to whom, as you point out, he has gone for validation of his move. It only looks like treachery if you fundamentally believe that we must all believe in Dave, because He came down to earth from heaven to reign in coalition over us, praise be. The political process is good only to the extent that it proclaims and magnifies His glory. Otherwise, work of the Devil.
My issue, as it always has been with Reckless, was the timing of the defection.
It was timed to inflict maximum damage on the Tory party.
Considering the whining and moaning like whores UKIP were doing when Dave recalled parliament during their conference, I'm sure the hypocrisy of Reckless and UKIP isn't lost on most.
"Senior members of UKIP are campaigning behind the scenes to have Patrick O'Flynn MEP removed as economic spokesman after his appearance on the BBC's Newsnight programme last Monday night."
"His opponents are now circulating a letter calling for him to go, which they hope to publish this week. One source who is not involved with the letter told Breitbart London: “He really does need to shut up with all talk of aggressive tax avoidance and bashing big business... It's a real mistake to have a pinko in such an important position."
If someone was ever again going to call someone a "pinko", it was surely going to have to be in UKIP. Just wouldn't have expected it to be one of their own they were talking about.
Ferrets in a sack....
Gawd, that's a blast from the past.
Did I dream it or was there a similar cartoon called the Barkleys which was basically the same thing except everyone in it was a dog? Dogs in suits going to the office and stuff? Deeply 70s weird.
UKIP are a circus act - an act straddling two horses bareback. Someone has to do the splits in the end. Maybe its 'O'Flynn. Although being blagged against by an obvious thicko like Sean Howlett should not worry him. There is only so much that bigotry can do for you. Its hard to see how real tories would like to see UKIP following the policies that please labour bigots. Farage is lying to somebody.
Actually although Kellner tries to push the "UKIP taking Labour votes" meme the numbers don't really stack up. The data points to a Tory catastrophe the higher UKIP rise.
You keep saying that - my only wish is you would say it louder.
He has been right on the money regarding US interference in the Ukraine too.
In the second link he discusses the Midsomer Murders controversy, where the producer defended the lack of non white characters
If people got uptight about Midsomer Murders, why aren't they up in arms about EastEnders? Midsomer is far more accurate in its portrayal of the demographic... There aren't that many non white people in the kind of areas it is set, and so the show is quite realistic.
Eastenders cast however, should be mainly Muslim, over 50% non white ,with a large percentage of Eastern Europeans. many of the cahracters should be unable to or prefer not to speak English... The portrayal is more of West Essex than the East End of London
this is surely racist? I think the reason the bbc cast the show thus is because if it were accurate, non Londoners simply wouldn't believe it
Given that the East End is pretty well correlated with Tower Hamlets, this should be the big demographic groups of the Eastenders cast:
Bangladeshi: 32% White British: 31% White Other: 12% Black African: 4% Chinese: 3%
I've always thought - well, for about the last 10 years I've thought - that if you wanted to make a really edgy TV programme about life in Britain today, you would make one called EastEnders that depicts EastEnders as they actually now are.
You would do it without subtitles, so the dialogue would be in various eastern European and subcontinental languages and 80% unintelligible; and you would film it on actual location, sari shops, polski skleps, fried chicken takeaways and all, rather than in the Dick Van Dyke studio mockup they use. The idea that people in the East End live in squares around a pub and all know each other is frankly out of the 1940s but I suppose the BBC does it to make us all feel that nothing has changed.
Some of them could even raise black flags outside their tower blocks and intimidate women not wearing a rubbish bag and men drinking beer (not sure how that would fit in to the Old Vic though). An edgy story line would have one of the stars of the show blowing himself up. Only question being if it'd be in Walworth or Syria.
The Institute for Fiscal Studies has published a short note today saying that the amount the government is saving from changes to benefits and tax credits is much lower than expected. Amongst other reasons, this is partly because of higher spending on pensioners, and partly because anticipated savings from cuts to tax credits, housing benefit and disability living allowance have not materialised.
Sean Howlett's letter isn't quite as billed by Breitbart, but is quite interesting in the way it discusses the inconsistencies in UKIP's economic position:
Father of british muslim who has been beheading Syrian soldiers says his son should be executed
Won't Dave just stop him coming back here for two years?
Only if he will not promise to be good.
When it comes to the criminal justice system the UKIP balloon, always loosely attached to reality, becomes completely untethered and floats high on thermals of outrage without any need for supporting facts.
"According to the latest International Monetary Fund fiscal monitor, the cyclically-adjusted deficit has come down from 10.3% of gross domestic product in 2009 to 4.1% this year, a big reduction."
What was that thunderous phrase that the bully boy kept repeating in the TV indy debates? It was something like "the sovereign will of the Scottish people". The other night on any questions some politician---was it herself indeed?---kept repeating it in a different guise. Well, this unwholesome stirring will continue, but the sovereign will of the Scots has voted NO, thanks be.
Not for long though, round 2 coming up soon
Have one every week - laws of chance and voter boredom suggest you might win one eventually.
will not be in a week and will not be many , but another one will be along in near term for sure, unionists are bound to welch on their "VOW" on home rule.
The vow was reposted down thread - nothing about home rule - you can choose what colour of pinnys nurses wear or something.
There won't be another official one anytime soon - the media are bored rotten of it for one thing - never mind the voters.
But there are enough voters who will remember the likes of Messrs Brown and Darling promising and defining Devomax as everything short of actual independence at the time. The status quo, or as near as dammit to it which is what you plainly have in mind, was the least popular option when indyref began as you will recall. And it was not for what many people voted after Mr Cameron's et al intervention right in the middle of postal voting. You're really being hopeful if you can wish away that Vow and the other promises made at the time.
In any case, it depends what the voters want a few years down the line. And things ca change very fast. You need to look at the figures for staying in/out of Europe - in te same poll and not mentioned in the posting - and what that implies when a Brexit is called by London.
As for the media - I'm beginning to wonder if any of the Unionist newspapers will still be there.
Mr. M, if Labour were actually Keynesian (as they claimed during the bust when Keynes would've advocated massive spending, in line with Labour policy) they'd be attacking the Coalition for insufficient cuts during the boom, the exact opposite of their 'too far, too fast' line regarding the cuts to public expenditure.
Sean Howlett's letter isn't quite as billed by Breitbart, but is quite interesting in the way it discusses the inconsistencies in UKIP's economic position:
Whether the average UKIP voter gives a toss has yet to be determined. Probably most of them realise they'll not win a majority so it doesn't really matter whether UKIP has an economic policy or not, let alone what it is.
I expect the Green voters of Brighton are similarly relaxed.
If we look at what's covered by the Eastenders map just before the title comes up, isam is more right than I am: the centre-point is more inside Newham than Tower Hamlets, but pretty close to the border.
The major groups in the demographics of Newham are:
17% White British 11% Other White (mainly Eastern European) 14% Indian 12% Bangladeshi 10% Pakistani 12% Black African 5% Black Caribbean
It does seem like Eastenders is massively pro-white in its casting, completely out of touch with the groups that live there.
Regardless of the map, I vaguely recall that when it started, the producers said it was based on Hoxton, which is hardly East End in the first place. Hmm. I wonder what I could get for my Queen Vic beermats on ebay.
"Senior members of UKIP are campaigning behind the scenes to have Patrick O'Flynn MEP removed as economic spokesman after his appearance on the BBC's Newsnight programme last Monday night."
"His opponents are now circulating a letter calling for him to go, which they hope to publish this week. One source who is not involved with the letter told Breitbart London: “He really does need to shut up with all talk of aggressive tax avoidance and bashing big business... It's a real mistake to have a pinko in such an important position."
If someone was ever again going to call someone a "pinko", it was surely going to have to be in UKIP. Just wouldn't have expected it to be one of their own they were talking about.
Ferrets in a sack....
Gawd, that's a blast from the past.
Did I dream it or was there a similar cartoon called the Barkleys which was basically the same thing except everyone in it was a dog? Dogs in suits going to the office and stuff? Deeply 70s weird.
Sean Howlett's letter isn't quite as billed by Breitbart, but is quite interesting in the way it discusses the inconsistencies in UKIP's economic position:
He has been right on the money regarding US interference in the Ukraine too.
In the second link he discusses the Midsomer Murders controversy, where the producer defended the lack of non white characters
If people got uptight about Midsomer Murders, why aren't they up in arms about EastEnders? Midsomer is far more accurate in its portrayal of the demographic... There aren't that many non white people in the kind of areas it is set, and so the show is quite realistic.
Eastenders cast however, should be mainly Muslim, over 50% non white ,with a large percentage of Eastern Europeans. many of the cahracters should be unable to or prefer not to speak English... The portrayal is more of West Essex than the East End of London
this is surely racist? I think the reason the bbc cast the show thus is because if it were accurate, non Londoners simply wouldn't believe it
Given that the East End is pretty well correlated with Tower Hamlets, this should be the big demographic groups of the Eastenders cast:
Bangladeshi: 32% White British: 31% White Other: 12% Black African: 4% Chinese: 3%
I've always thought - well, for about the last 10 years I've thought - that if you wanted to make a really edgy TV programme about life in Britain today, you would make one called EastEnders that depicts EastEnders as they actually now are.
You would do it without subtitles, so the dialogue would be in various eastern European and subcontinental languages and 80% unintelligible; and you would film it on actual location, sari shops, polski skleps, fried chicken takeaways and all, rather than in the Dick Van Dyke studio mockup they use. The idea that people in the East End live in squares around a pub and all know each other is frankly out of the 1940s but I suppose the BBC does it to make us all feel that nothing has changed.
Some of them could even raise black flags outside their tower blocks and intimidate women not wearing a rubbish bag and men drinking beer (not sure how that would fit in to the Old Vic though). An edgy story line would have one of the stars of the show blowing himself up. Only question being if it'd be in Walworth or Syria.
If we look at what's covered by the Eastenders map just before the title comes up, isam is more right than I am: the centre-point is more inside Newham than Tower Hamlets, but pretty close to the border.
The major groups in the demographics of Newham are:
17% White British 11% Other White (mainly Eastern European) 14% Indian 12% Bangladeshi 10% Pakistani 12% Black African 5% Black Caribbean
It does seem like Eastenders is massively pro-white in its casting, completely out of touch with the groups that live there.
Regardless of the map, I vaguely recall that when it started, the producers said it was based on Hoxton, which is hardly East End in the first place. Hmm. I wonder what I could get for my Queen Vic beermats on ebay.
They used to include the southern edge of Ilford on the zoom-out right at the end of the end-credits, but now they no longer do so
''previously represented in this very constituency by this very same PPE man, should criticise him for it.'' They are criticising him for being a hypocrite. For dropping all the policies he previously supported like a stone out of self interest. For being now supposedly anti politics when he has been part of the system so long.
Well, at least he has the decency to subject himself to his electorate for re-approval.
What I don't get about PB Tories is the way they attack UKIP for participating in the political process to effect change, as if this is an immoral and unethical act.
What did you want Ukippers to do? Pick up a gun?
It is cultism. Look at TSE's barmy insistence that Reckless is a traitor. He just isn't; we don't vote for parties, we vote for individuals, and their duty of allegiance is to the electorate - to whom, as you point out, he has gone for validation of his move. It only looks like treachery if you fundamentally believe that we must all believe in Dave, because He came down to earth from heaven to reign in coalition over us, praise be. The political process is good only to the extent that it proclaims and magnifies His glory. Otherwise, work of the Devil.
My issue, as it always has been with Reckless, was the timing of the defection.
It was timed to inflict maximum damage on the Tory party.
Considering the whining and moaning like whores UKIP were doing when Dave recalled parliament during their conference, I'm sure the hypocrisy of Reckless and UKIP isn't lost on most.
Reckless responds: "I can see you, TSE! Can you see me? Oh, now be honest, TSE, warrior to warrior. You do prefer it this way, don't you, as it was meant to be? No peace in our time. 'Once more unto the breach, dear friends.'"
"why is Patrick O'Flynn, the economics spokesman for Britain's most libertarian mainstream party UKIP, flirting with the kind of wealth taxes and turnover taxes you'd more usually associate with the Greens or the Socialist Workers' Party?"
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You obviously haven't seen or heard Kelly in action.
They are one of my favourite peoples/nations
They make awesome motor vehicles and keep on invading the Frogs, which causes us and The Yanks (and the Cannucks) to liberate them, which upsets the French psyche.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBd6yFuiQrk
What it does show is that perhaps PPCs and byelection candidates in particular should be given more training, although even many frontbench politicians are lousy speakers these days.
A: So the Wehrmacht can march in the shade.
See me
I mean seriously?
Are you her mother?
The clip may have been a little unfair on the Tory candidate. She had a difficult question. Admittedly, a seven year old might have done better, but look at the background. An audience strongly against unlimited immigration and she had to defend a failure to control the numbers.
The Labour candidate merely had to tell a couple of porkies. "Yes, we're sorry about 2004 and we'll do better next time."
The official opposition response may go along the lines of "Well, we thought the other countries would open their borders completely too, but the rotters didn't." when in fact, their honest response is "Tough, we're committed to unlimited immigration so suck it up." Obviously the truth that dare not speak its name in that setting.
Ukip merely sit back with a smile.
Oh of course - is that why she is so far behind Labour in the polling. Are you therefore expecting Labour to win on Thursday - or at least come a very strong second leaving Ms Tollhurst in her wake?
"blah blah...long term economic plan...blah blah."
ie we're in the middle of something bigger, better, stronger, more successful than all of us (and particularly than those in Europe, Japan), etc, for god's sake don't interrupt by voting in Lab.
Yo @Alanbrooke
https://youtube.com/watch?v=mbsEYoKm9X8
And wonder what the viewing figures will be. Would give pay the lie about how we all love multiculturalism.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/isabel-hardman/2014/11/the-recklessness-of-cchq/
It is doubly silly because Reckless was the Tory MP until a few weeks ago, when presumably the party had no complaints about his background, and because the leaflet is also complaining about the background of half its own party's leadership.
Again, it is a Conservative Party leaflet.
They are criticising him for being a hypocrite. For dropping all the policies he previously supported like a stone out of self interest. For being now supposedly anti politics when he has been part of the system so long.
Surely all over ?
I am sure if they are impressed by Reckless's credentials they will vote for him regardless.
And, the issue isn't that an individual has a PPE degree. It's that a disproportionate number of a party does, and that causes group think. It looks like UKIP's parliamentary party will have a good mix.
They were the internal pollsters for Better Together.
What the Conservatives are trying to do, I think, is counter UKIP's completely ludicrous claims about being more in touch, not being professional politicians, not being part of the Establishment, being more representative of ordinary voters than other voters, telling the truth without spin, etc. In the case of Mark Reckless, the UKIP positioning is completely absurd, and I'm not surprised the Tories are trying to expose it for the sham which it so obviously is.
I'm not sure they have gone about this in the most effective way, but the aim is sensible enough.
As I understand it, Populus impressed the various component members of Better Together with the accuracy of their polling and providing the right target material on the indy ref.
So I would not be surprised if one of the Unionist parties commissioned them for their accuracy.
What I don't get about PB Tories is the way they attack UKIP for participating in the political process to effect change, as if this is an immoral and unethical act.
What did you want Ukippers to do? Pick up a gun?
Mark Pritchard @MPritchardMP
Good to see Cllr Steve Glover, first UKIP Mayor of Market Drayton, Shropshire - leaving UKIP and re-joining the Conservatives. Welcome home!
Or of course it could just be a crap purchase! I'm sure someone on here will know the answer - as ever.
Px
No joy yet.
It is dumb and dumber versus Sarah invisible.
http://order-order.com/2014/11/17/patrick-oflynn-denies-leftist-smears/
His mates can come round and claim asylum too.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/inside-ukips-spring-conference-racist-3197692
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/17/ukip-support-british-politics-voters-labour-party
Actually although Kellner tries to push the "UKIP taking Labour votes" meme the numbers don't really stack up. The data points to a Tory catastrophe the higher UKIP rise.
http://order-order.com/2014/11/17/how-ukip-became-more-attractive-to-labour-voters/
Interesting little graphic
You would do it without subtitles, so the dialogue would be in various eastern European and subcontinental languages and 80% unintelligible; and you would film it on actual location, sari shops, polski skleps, fried chicken takeaways and all, rather than in the Dick Van Dyke studio mockup they use. The idea that people in the East End live in squares around a pub and all know each other is frankly out of the 1940s but I suppose the BBC does it to make us all feel that nothing has changed.
If we speak with passion, let it always be tempered by compassion. We must be a party for all Britain and all Britons: first and second generation as much as every other.
I don't think that's something that's going to compatible with some of UKIP's more excitable members.
Mr. M, whilst the purples do take, it seems, more blue than red votes, it's worth noting that over the medium term the Conservative polling has been more or less flat, whereas UKIP has risen and Labour has declined.
'Actually although Kellner tries to push the "UKIP taking Labour votes" meme the numbers don't really stack up. The data points to a Tory catastrophe the higher UKIP rise.'
I think Kellner might know slightly more about polling than you.
There won't be another official one anytime soon - the media are bored rotten of it for one thing - never mind the voters.
It was timed to inflict maximum damage on the Tory party.
Considering the whining and moaning like whores UKIP were doing when Dave recalled parliament during their conference, I'm sure the hypocrisy of Reckless and UKIP isn't lost on most.
Did I dream it or was there a similar cartoon called the Barkleys which was basically the same thing except everyone in it was a dog? Dogs in suits going to the office and stuff? Deeply 70s weird.
There is only so much that bigotry can do for you. Its hard to see how real tories would like to see UKIP following the policies that please labour bigots. Farage is lying to somebody.
Meantime Hamilton is losing his flavour of the month status
http://www.bostonstandard.co.uk/news/local/ukip-due-to-announce-boston-and-skegness-candidate-1-6421269
And the final score is:
Keynes 10 (ten)
Hayek, Friedman et al Nil
twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/534349169771937792/photo/1
In any case, it depends what the voters want a few years down the line. And things ca change very fast. You need to look at the figures for staying in/out of Europe - in te same poll and not mentioned in the posting - and what that implies when a Brexit is called by London.
As for the media - I'm beginning to wonder if any of the Unionist newspapers will still be there.
I expect the Green voters of Brighton are similarly relaxed.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11235970/Firing-Patrick-OFlynn-would-signal-the-start-of-Ukips-slide-back-into-fringe-insignificance.html
For those betting on Band Aid 30 being Christmas number 1, take note.
The girls of Television X have launched a bid to become Christmas number one.
The adult channel has teamed up with Pornhub Records to create 'Coming for Christmas' by TVXbabes.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/news/a610630/adult-channel-television-x-launches-bid-for-christmas-number-one-single.html
The mask slips..
EPIC, just epic. And I've been watching ridiculous vampire soaps as a benchmark.
"I can see you, TSE! Can you see me? Oh, now be honest, TSE, warrior to warrior. You do prefer it this way, don't you, as it was meant to be? No peace in our time. 'Once more unto the breach, dear friends.'"
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/11/17/UKIP-could-save-Britain-but-first-it-needs-a-coherent-economic-policy
"why is Patrick O'Flynn, the economics spokesman for Britain's most libertarian mainstream party UKIP, flirting with the kind of wealth taxes and turnover taxes you'd more usually associate with the Greens or the Socialist Workers' Party?"