DC's warning about a potential global economic problem is very true, but will be ignored by many short-term thinking politicians in the UK and Western Europe. These politicians tend to put political reform/control far ahead of the economic well-being of their electorate.
The Americas, Asia and Africa and Australasia can now manage very well without bothering about Western Europe - it is about time our politicians work up to reality and that wage increases are no longer the norm - do they want us to eat dirt before they come to their selfish and self-serving senses?
The biggest risks to the UK economy are domestic.
Some recent economic calamity was said to have "started in America". I forget the details of who said what and when.
I think it was the same chap who assured us he had abolished boom and bust.
Words are important Mr Eagles - he claimed to have abolished "Tory" boom and bust, and since he uttered those stirring words there hasn't yet been a Tory bust! I'm sure the closely cropped fellow currently residing in the Treasury is very grateful for his efforts - it was a close run thing for a year or two.
Mr. Isam, Libya today is a bad place. Lack of action would've led to genocide and it still being a bad place, albeit perhaps a more stable one.
The options weren't Lovely Libya and Horrid Libya, but a variety in the shade of shit, with a small chance of things turning out for the better with Gaddafi gone. It's easy to be wise with hindsight.
Also, if we'd backed the FSA earlier then they may've toppled Assad whilst ISIS was either very small or before it even existed. Not all rebels are ISIS.
Here is Peter hitchens on the subject over three years ago, I don't think you can accuse him of speaking in hindsight
DC's warning about a potential global economic problem is very true, but will be ignored by many short-term thinking politicians in the UK and Western Europe. These politicians tend to put political reform/control far ahead of the economic well-being of their electorate.
The Americas, Asia and Africa and Australasia can now manage very well without bothering about Western Europe - it is about time our politicians work up to reality and that wage increases are no longer the norm - do they want us to eat dirt before they come to their selfish and self-serving senses?
When someone called "Financier" calls for wages to be kept low (and public services decimated IIRC) I start to wonder which Trotskyist group to join.
In the meantime, have a good day everyone and I'll see you to-morrow (DV).
When he can't detect any hint of short-term political thinking in DC's utterances I worry about his career choice as a financier.
Just look at world economics and resources and then do the same for Western Europe.
Yes. My point was that you seem to think DC was expressing a long term and apolitical vision, when his eye is on 3 December.
Mr. Isam, he suggested we'd have ground troops and casualties, neither of which occurred, and cited the false WMD claims of Blair, whereas the genocide 'claim' was not made by any external authority but Gaddafi's regime.
In retrospect, he was wrong, on a factual basis, on almost everything.
Mr. Isam, he suggested we'd have ground troops and casualties, neither of which occurred, and cited the false WMD claims of Blair, whereas the genocide 'claim' was not made by any external authority but Gaddafi's regime.
In retrospect, he was wrong, on a factual basis, on almost everything.
Not really. The point he was making was that Cameron was keen on sending ground troops and that we should be wary of any propaganda used to back his resolution
Mr. Isam, he suggested we'd have ground troops and casualties, neither of which occurred, and cited the false WMD claims of Blair, whereas the genocide 'claim' was not made by any external authority but Gaddafi's regime.
In retrospect, he was wrong, on a factual basis, on almost everything.
Libya is a disaster zone, as is Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq, you are wrong but I actually think that the outcome we have is what you wanted in the first place.
DC's warning about a potential global economic problem is very true, but will be ignored by many short-term thinking politicians in the UK and Western Europe. These politicians tend to put political reform/control far ahead of the economic well-being of their electorate.
The Americas, Asia and Africa and Australasia can now manage very well without bothering about Western Europe - it is about time our politicians work up to reality and that wage increases are no longer the norm - do they want us to eat dirt before they come to their selfish and self-serving senses?
When someone called "Financier" calls for wages to be kept low (and public services decimated IIRC) I start to wonder which Trotskyist group to join.
In the meantime, have a good day everyone and I'll see you to-morrow (DV).
When he can't detect any hint of short-term political thinking in DC's utterances I worry about his career choice as a financier.
Just look at world economics and resources and then do the same for Western Europe.
Yes. My point was that you seem to think DC was expressing a long term and apolitical vision, when his eye is on 3 December.
Yes and my original point was not that. We just have too many politicians who have their eye just on GE2015 and not the greater picture.
"Curdling the Blood Fresh from lecturing Vladimir Putin on international morality, David Cameron(the Victor of Libya, let it never be forgotten, as well as The Man Who Wanted to Back the Rebels in Syria Who Later Turned into ISIS, but luckily failed) is now warning that there is a coming world economic crisis which may wreck Britain's supposed recovery (see my blog of yesterday about being governed by people whose intellects are inferior to those of Garden Gnomes).
Actually,he knows perfectly well that this 'recovery' is founded upon sand, in the form of a cheap housing credit bubble and massaged statistics, and will be exposed very soon when the huge imbalance between spending and our ability to pay for it has to be addressed.
Presumably, this article is an early attempt to shift the blame. It s no longer possibe to say that it is Labour's falt, Labour having let office almost five years ago. So the rest of the world must take the blame.
By the way, what is Britain's direct interest in Ukraine, and with what armed forces do we presume to warn Russia? Once upon a time, we protected our own interests and had the resources to make our words count. Now we intervene in quarrels that are nothing to do with us, and lack the weapons or troops with which to back up our growls."
I take it that Peter Hitchens didn't want to use the line "a faraway country of which we know little" because Neville Chamberlain's words are still in copyright until next year.
Quite. If there's one thing we've learnt from the last century it's that collective deterrence is the only way to secure a stable international order. Russia has invaded Ukraine on absolutely no legitimate grounds, other than the expansion of its own borders. Since then it has been making threatening noises to places like Moldova and the Baltic states. It is frankly deeply unpleasant that we just hand over smaller nations to the tiger on the misguided notion that it won't affect us.
Also, Hitchens is too stubborn in his own black and white view of the world to be able to understand that the "rebels" did not all become ISIS. Many of the groups were directly fighting ISIS: there are videos of British ISIS fighters beheading FSA fighters. Getting killed by ISIS and then having your weapons and territory taken by them isn't the same as turning into them.
I'd be interested to hear Edmund's thoughts on Japan entering recession according to the new data.
I'm afraid I don't know much about it. None of the analysts seem to either, as their forecasts were all wildly over-optimistic. There was a little boomlet caused by people bring spending forward before VAT went up to 8% (I know you're all wondering how we survive such rapacious levels of taxation) followed by a slump as it reversed itself after the rise. But then the economy was supposed to get better, which it apparently didn't.
The Abenomics strategy is supposed to be that you print money and create inflationary expectations, so people spend more before the value of their money falls and the economy grows. But I suspect if you do that with an aging population and a government that looks like it won't be able to pay their pensions all that happens is that everybody sees the price of everything going up and their savings getting devalued, worries even more about the future and spends even less.
Well... Peter Hitchens may be right in his conclusion, but Morris Dancer is right to point out that his facts were simply wrong.
Which facts?
He said it seemed like we were being encouraged to believe we should commit ground troops, which cameron was in favour of, and that we should be wary of propaganda used to sway us.
He then painted a picture of what might happen if we did commit ground troops to illustrate why we shouldn't
Well... Peter Hitchens may be right in his conclusion, but Morris Dancer is right to point out that his facts were simply wrong.
Which facts?
He said it seemed like we were being encouraged to believe we should commit ground troops, which cameron was in favour of, and that we should be wary of propaganda used to sway us.
He then painted a picture of what might happen if we did commit ground troops to illustrate why we shouldn't
Thankfully public opinion stopped a full blown invasion.
Presumably, this article is an early attempt to shift the blame. It s no longer possibe to say that it is Labour's falt, Labour having let office almost five years ago. So the rest of the world must take the blame.
I take it that Peter Hitchens didn't want to use the line "a faraway country of which we know little" because Neville Chamberlain's words are still in copyright until next year.
Interesting that the loopy fruit Hichens states the Tories cannot blame Labour for what they perceive to be going wrong after 4.5 years and yet............ Completely ignores that in 2008 and up to the present day Labour still blame the Tories for the Labour led and constructed catastrophe and even blame Thatcher for sowing the seeds of That fiscal demise.
Nothing to do with us guv we had only been in power 11 YEARS .....
He has been right on the money regarding US interference in the Ukraine too.
In the second link he discusses the Midsomer Murders controversy, where the producer defended the lack of non white characters
If people got uptight about Midsomer Murders, why aren't they up in arms about EastEnders? Midsomer is far more accurate in its portrayal of the demographic... There aren't that many non white people in the kind of areas it is set, and so the show is quite realistic.
Eastenders cast however, should be mainly Muslim, over 50% non white ,with a large percentage of Eastern Europeans. many of the cahracters should be unable to or prefer not to speak English... The portrayal is more of West Essex than the East End of London
this is surely racist? I think the reason the bbc cast the show thus is because if it were accurate, non Londoners simply wouldn't believe it
Anyone got the up to date graph ? Google docs link..
You could equally argue that it is only because the vast number of polls are YouGov that the UKIP vote is so low.
I'll predict now that Populus's 11% will be closer to Ukip's GE score than Survations 24%.
£50 evens says you're wrong; 17.5% is evens. Populus always has UKIP low and is invariably wrong.
If Ukips GE share below 17.500 I win, above 17.500 you win, if exactly 17.500 then void ?
If so happy to register that bet.
Exactly. You're on, we have a bet. Sorry Peter.
Excellent - will pay for my LD vs Kipper bet with Isam
When I saw the headline of Mike Smithsons tweet I was a bit worried about that bet!
Mike Smithson (@MSmithsonPB) 17/11/2014 10:28 UKIP drop to 11% in today's Populus online poll : Lab 36 (+1), Con 35 (+2), LD 7 (-2), UKIP 11 (-2),
There is the ever present paradox of UKIP in today's Populus, if the Lib Dems were found to have 291 respondents they would be on ~ 20% (Or higher)
Actually looking at the tables, the weighted base of 2010 Lib Dem respondents is higher than that of Labour ! Lib Dems upweighted too... truly dire internals for them.
Mr. Moses, Hitchens can sometimes make interesting comments, but he's utterly bonkers.
Indeed and he used to be a fairly down the middle commentator years ago. I have no issue about him going one way or the other but at least be sensible when you do it (though tricky of course the further to the left you move I suppose? )
He is the Tories Dan hodges but interesting they both write in right of centre media. Good for a laugh if nowt else.
Mr. Moses, Hitchens can sometimes make interesting comments, but he's utterly bonkers.
Indeed and he used to be a fairly down the middle commentator years ago. I have no issue about him going one way or the other but at least be sensible when you do it (though tricky of course the further to the left you move I suppose? )
He is the Tories Dan hodges but interesting they both write in right of centre media. Good for a laugh if nowt else.
He has moved to the left? Interesting view as he used to be a trot
"Senior members of UKIP are campaigning behind the scenes to have Patrick O'Flynn MEP removed as economic spokesman after his appearance on the BBC's Newsnight programme last Monday night."
"His opponents are now circulating a letter calling for him to go, which they hope to publish this week. One source who is not involved with the letter told Breitbart London: “He really does need to shut up with all talk of aggressive tax avoidance and bashing big business... It's a real mistake to have a pinko in such an important position."
Mr. Moses, Hitchens can sometimes make interesting comments, but he's utterly bonkers.
Indeed and he used to be a fairly down the middle commentator years ago. I have no issue about him going one way or the other but at least be sensible when you do it (though tricky of course the further to the left you move I suppose? )
He is the Tories Dan hodges but interesting they both write in right of centre media. Good for a laugh if nowt else.
He has moved to the left? Interesting view as he used to be a trot
Well in younger days. Ok moved back to the left. I used to read him a few years ago and he had mellowed then somewhat but he must be "running back to momma" now. As Mr Morris Dancer points out he does occasionally make some interesting points. Hence I don't have an issue with it. It takes all sorts even those who struggle to defend the indefensible.
I'm statistically wary of multiple-choice options as people tend to pick the middle one, so the weight of opinion to "never" is quite striking. I think the SNP would be making a mistake if they promised a new referendum in the next Holyrood period. More likely, they'll wait till people are fed up for one reason or another,
On Murphy, I'm not sure that most Scots are different from most English voters, who generally don't think in neat left-right lines. Murphy is clearly a substantial figure who most people will have heard of, and it'd be an odd decision if Scottish Labour went for anyone else.
Sturgeon is fairly young, I doubt she'll be in any hurry. Murphy is a Blairite though, as new labour as you can get. They should have learnt their lesson from Wales and London. New Labour was not a political movement but an election winning machine focussed on a handful of possible Tory switchers in 'marginal' constituencies. You can't impose New Labour on these places. Not least when they don't even have FPTP!
Mr. Moses, Hitchens can sometimes make interesting comments, but he's utterly bonkers.
Indeed and he used to be a fairly down the middle commentator years ago. I have no issue about him going one way or the other but at least be sensible when you do it (though tricky of course the further to the left you move I suppose? )
He is the Tories Dan hodges but interesting they both write in right of centre media. Good for a laugh if nowt else.
He has moved to the left? Interesting view as he used to be a trot
Peter Hitchins is a Tory, are you thinking of the late Christopher Hitchens?
That hustings also makes me think the Labour share on Thursday may be a touch higher than some expect.
Khan is a very good candidate. To me Reckless effortlessly outclassed all the other candidates, but Khan came in a good second.
Tolhurst - is as vapid as the Tories themselves. Oh dear.
So says a man without any irons in the fire lol. Shame then that Ukip will take considerably more Labour votes than Tory ones at R & S. My son was also at Rochester on Saturday and while you were on your counter demonstration in the High Street elsewhere he was noting the almost complete absence of Labour posters, stickers and party workers. He saw one vehicle doing the rounds and that was it! I suspect the polls will be about right as far as the Lab vote is concerned. The interesting figure will be the Ukip/Tory differential.
Noone is seeking to impose New Labour on the Scottish Labour Party. They are having an election with a very clear alternative available.
Did you see what happened in London and Wales? Of course Murphy will need to win properly in his case, but it seems clear as day that New Labour doesn't have a cat in hell's chance of succeeding in Scotland.
Face justice in the UK... assuming anyone could find enough evidence that would stand up in a British court... claims of temporary insanity, claims of mitigation because he came from a broken home, was beat by his parents, his dog just died, he got out of the wrong side of bed or whatever, then remission for good behaviour, and out in 7 years ?
Mr. Moses, Hitchens can sometimes make interesting comments, but he's utterly bonkers.
Indeed and he used to be a fairly down the middle commentator years ago. I have no issue about him going one way or the other but at least be sensible when you do it (though tricky of course the further to the left you move I suppose? )
He is the Tories Dan hodges but interesting they both write in right of centre media. Good for a laugh if nowt else.
He has moved to the left? Interesting view as he used to be a trot
Peter Hitchins is a Tory, are you thinking of the late Christopher Hitchens?
Nope, Peter. He was a Trotskyist in the 60s and 70s until he saw the light. Hence he is well placed to call out the centrists who increasingly try to inflict commie ideas upon us
Mr. Moses, Hitchens can sometimes make interesting comments, but he's utterly bonkers.
Indeed and he used to be a fairly down the middle commentator years ago. I have no issue about him going one way or the other but at least be sensible when you do it (though tricky of course the further to the left you move I suppose? )
He is the Tories Dan hodges but interesting they both write in right of centre media. Good for a laugh if nowt else.
He has moved to the left? Interesting view as he used to be a trot
Peter Hitchins is a Tory, are you thinking of the late Christopher Hitchens?
Mr. Moses, Hitchens can sometimes make interesting comments, but he's utterly bonkers.
Indeed and he used to be a fairly down the middle commentator years ago. I have no issue about him going one way or the other but at least be sensible when you do it (though tricky of course the further to the left you move I suppose? )
He is the Tories Dan hodges but interesting they both write in right of centre media. Good for a laugh if nowt else.
He has moved to the left? Interesting view as he used to be a trot
Peter Hitchins is a Tory, are you thinking of the late Christopher Hitchens?
Christopher Hitchens, while sometimes very mistaken, was twice the intellect of his brother.
'"Senior members of UKIP are campaigning behind the scenes to have Patrick O'Flynn MEP removed as economic spokesman after his appearance on the BBC's Newsnight programme last Monday night."
What a car crash,to get savaged by Evan Davis is a real achievement.
"Senior members of UKIP are campaigning behind the scenes to have Patrick O'Flynn MEP removed as economic spokesman after his appearance on the BBC's Newsnight programme last Monday night."
"His opponents are now circulating a letter calling for him to go, which they hope to publish this week. One source who is not involved with the letter told Breitbart London: “He really does need to shut up with all talk of aggressive tax avoidance and bashing big business... It's a real mistake to have a pinko in such an important position."
Wouldn't be for me. But one day I hope to be involved sonehow
Christopher Hitchens, while sometimes very mistaken, was twice the intellect of his brother.
Indeed, watch Christopher Hitchens and Stephen Fry on the debate "Is the Catholic Church a force for good in the world", regardless of where you stand on the substance of the debate, it was a tour de force in oration and debating skill, there was so little left of Ann Widdecombe and Archbishop John Onaiyekan you would need dental records. Available on Youtube.
He has been right on the money regarding US interference in the Ukraine too.
In the second link he discusses the Midsomer Murders controversy, where the producer defended the lack of non white characters
If people got uptight about Midsomer Murders, why aren't they up in arms about EastEnders? Midsomer is far more accurate in its portrayal of the demographic... There aren't that many non white people in the kind of areas it is set, and so the show is quite realistic.
Eastenders cast however, should be mainly Muslim, over 50% non white ,with a large percentage of Eastern Europeans. many of the cahracters should be unable to or prefer not to speak English... The portrayal is more of West Essex than the East End of London
this is surely racist? I think the reason the bbc cast the show thus is because if it were accurate, non Londoners simply wouldn't believe it
Given that the East End is pretty well correlated with Tower Hamlets, this should be the big demographic groups of the Eastenders cast:
Bangladeshi: 32% White British: 31% White Other: 12% Black African: 4% Chinese: 3%
Anyone thinking backing Scotland tomorrow, you can get around 11/4.
Seems decent odds, considering how well the Scots are playing under Strachan, it is at home, and playing against England is Scotland's World Cup Final, so they will really be up for it and on a high from beating the Southern Bog trotters.
I just hope the England fans over there sing the proper version of God Save the Queen, the one with the bit crushing rebellious Scots, and ending their sedition.
Syria/Iraq seems to be turning into a playground free-for-all.
I feel sorry for Obama. He's concentrating on ISIL, so Assad has supposedly left them alone and is now tonking the moderate opposition. But if the Yanks start on Assad, he may start trying to shoot down the US aircraft, so ISIL get a reprieve and ....
As the Irish say ... "If I was you, sir, I wouldn't have started from here."
Stuart on/ pah you poor wee numpties taken in by the biased nationalist polling. Our people on the ground tell us we are really in the lead / Stuart off
"Kelly Tolhurst did herself no favours on Radio Kent this morning. Where to the Tories get these peoiple from?"
Ben as so often makes a very astute point "Where do the Tories get these people from?". She reminded me of one of the early losers in The Apprentice but to answer his question they got her from an open primary.
What does this tell us about the constituents of Rochester who voted in the primary? Either they were fifth columnists from another party or more significantly that this is the sort of termagant that appeals to their voters.
Face justice in the UK... assuming anyone could find enough evidence that would stand up in a British court... claims of temporary insanity, claims of mitigation because he came from a broken home, was beat by his parents, his dog just died, he got out of the wrong side of bed or whatever, then remission for good behaviour, and out in 7 years ?
And if course, no Muslim spokesman are required to criticise him, as Ukip suggested, because that would be so destructive for society... In any case, Dave has said that 'Jihadi John' as he so ridiculously calls him, isn't a Muslim anyway...
"Kelly Tolhurst did herself no favours on Radio Kent this morning. Where to the Tories get these peoiple from?"
Ben as so often makes a very astute point "Where do the Tories get these people from?". She reminded me of one of the early losers in The Apprentice but to answer his question they got her from an open primary.
What does this tell us about the constituents of Rochester who voted in the primary? Either they were fifth collumnists from another party or more significantly that this is the sort of termagant that appeals to their voters.
As the open primary consisted of just 2 candidates , the other of whom being even worse , it explains the rather poor turnout by the constituents in that contest .
What does this tell us about the constituents of Rochester who voted in the primary? Either they were fifth collumnists from another party or more significantly that this is the sort of termagant that appeals to their voters.
I thought the general feeling was that both the two candidates they were given to choose between by CCHQ were pretty duff, and that KT might have been the better of the two. I think the blame probably lands squarely at central office, maybe next time they will let the electorate choose the candidate they want, which I believe is the whole point of an open primary after all!
He has been right on the money regarding US interference in the Ukraine too.
In the second link he discusses the Midsomer Murders controversy, where the producer defended the lack of non white characters
If people got uptight about Midsomer Murders, why aren't they up in arms about EastEnders? Midsomer is far more accurate in its portrayal of the demographic... There aren't that many non white people in the kind of areas it is set, and so the show is quite realistic.
Eastenders cast however, should be mainly Muslim, over 50% non white ,with a large percentage of Eastern Europeans. many of the cahracters should be unable to or prefer not to speak English... The portrayal is more of West Essex than the East End of London
this is surely racist? I think the reason the bbc cast the show thus is because if it were accurate, non Londoners simply wouldn't believe it
Given that the East End is pretty well correlated with Tower Hamlets, this should be the big demographic groups of the Eastenders cast:
Bangladeshi: 32% White British: 31% White Other: 12% Black African: 4% Chinese: 3%
One Asian family in it last time I watched, and no Eastern Europeans
If they renamed it 'Essex Suburbs' it would be realistic
Well... Peter Hitchens may be right in his conclusion, but Morris Dancer is right to point out that his facts were simply wrong.
It's worth bearing in mind that the current troubles in Libya have seen 2,000-3,000 deaths. How many deaths do we think we'd have seen if Gadaffi's ~30,000 army had been given free reign in Benghazi, a city of almost 700,000, which he had promised to "crush" with "no mercy or compassion"? It's absurd to judge the prevention of a massacre as a failure, because the a long-time failed state doesn't instantly become a stable, peaceful nation.
"Senior members of UKIP are campaigning behind the scenes to have Patrick O'Flynn MEP removed as economic spokesman after his appearance on the BBC's Newsnight programme last Monday night."
"His opponents are now circulating a letter calling for him to go, which they hope to publish this week. One source who is not involved with the letter told Breitbart London: “He really does need to shut up with all talk of aggressive tax avoidance and bashing big business... It's a real mistake to have a pinko in such an important position."
If someone was ever again going to call someone a "pinko", it was surely going to have to be in UKIP. Just wouldn't have expected it to be one of their own they were talking about.
He has been right on the money regarding US interference in the Ukraine too.
In the second link he discusses the Midsomer Murders controversy, where the producer defended the lack of non white characters
If people got uptight about Midsomer Murders, why aren't they up in arms about EastEnders? Midsomer is far more accurate in its portrayal of the demographic... There aren't that many non white people in the kind of areas it is set, and so the show is quite realistic.
Eastenders cast however, should be mainly Muslim, over 50% non white ,with a large percentage of Eastern Europeans. many of the cahracters should be unable to or prefer not to speak English... The portrayal is more of West Essex than the East End of London
this is surely racist? I think the reason the bbc cast the show thus is because if it were accurate, non Londoners simply wouldn't believe it
Given that the East End is pretty well correlated with Tower Hamlets, this should be the big demographic groups of the Eastenders cast:
Bangladeshi: 32% White British: 31% White Other: 12% Black African: 4% Chinese: 3%
I always thought it was a cross of Wathamstow and Stratford?
Syria/Iraq seems to be turning into a playground free-for-all.
I feel sorry for Obama. He's concentrating on ISIL, so Assad has supposedly left them alone and is now tonking the moderate opposition. But if the Yanks start on Assad, he may start trying to shoot down the US aircraft, so ISIL get a reprieve and ....
As the Irish say ... "If I was you, sir, I wouldn't have started from here."
Too late now. Thanks, Tony.
I don't feel sorry for Obama. As he said at the G20 you can't go around invading other countries and funding proxies.
He has been right on the money regarding US interference in the Ukraine too.
In the second link he discusses the Midsomer Murders controversy, where the producer defended the lack of non white characters
If people got uptight about Midsomer Murders, why aren't they up in arms about EastEnders? Midsomer is far more accurate in its portrayal of the demographic... There aren't that many non white people in the kind of areas it is set, and so the show is quite realistic.
Eastenders cast however, should be mainly Muslim, over 50% non white ,with a large percentage of Eastern Europeans. many of the cahracters should be unable to or prefer not to speak English... The portrayal is more of West Essex than the East End of London
this is surely racist? I think the reason the bbc cast the show thus is because if it were accurate, non Londoners simply wouldn't believe it
Given that the East End is pretty well correlated with Tower Hamlets, this should be the big demographic groups of the Eastenders cast:
Bangladeshi: 32% White British: 31% White Other: 12% Black African: 4% Chinese: 3%
I always thought it was a cross of Wathamstow and Stratford?
It doesn't seem to reflect the make-up of those areas very well, more like HaveringEnders now ?
He has been right on the money regarding US interference in the Ukraine too.
In the second link he discusses the Midsomer Murders controversy, where the producer defended the lack of non white characters
If people got uptight about Midsomer Murders, why aren't they up in arms about EastEnders? Midsomer is far more accurate in its portrayal of the demographic... There aren't that many non white people in the kind of areas it is set, and so the show is quite realistic.
Eastenders cast however, should be mainly Muslim, over 50% non white ,with a large percentage of Eastern Europeans. many of the cahracters should be unable to or prefer not to speak English... The portrayal is more of West Essex than the East End of London
this is surely racist? I think the reason the bbc cast the show thus is because if it were accurate, non Londoners simply wouldn't believe it
Given that the East End is pretty well correlated with Tower Hamlets, this should be the big demographic groups of the Eastenders cast:
Bangladeshi: 32% White British: 31% White Other: 12% Black African: 4% Chinese: 3%
"Senior members of UKIP are campaigning behind the scenes to have Patrick O'Flynn MEP removed as economic spokesman after his appearance on the BBC's Newsnight programme last Monday night."
"His opponents are now circulating a letter calling for him to go, which they hope to publish this week. One source who is not involved with the letter told Breitbart London: “He really does need to shut up with all talk of aggressive tax avoidance and bashing big business... It's a real mistake to have a pinko in such an important position."
If someone was ever again going to call someone a "pinko", it was surely going to have to be in UKIP. Just wouldn't have expected it to be one of their own they were talking about.
He has been right on the money regarding US interference in the Ukraine too.
In the second link he discusses the Midsomer Murders controversy, where the producer defended the lack of non white characters
If people got uptight about Midsomer Murders, why aren't they up in arms about EastEnders? Midsomer is far more accurate in its portrayal of the demographic... There aren't that many non white people in the kind of areas it is set, and so the show is quite realistic.
Eastenders cast however, should be mainly Muslim, over 50% non white ,with a large percentage of Eastern Europeans. many of the cahracters should be unable to or prefer not to speak English... The portrayal is more of West Essex than the East End of London
this is surely racist? I think the reason the bbc cast the show thus is because if it were accurate, non Londoners simply wouldn't believe it
Given that the East End is pretty well correlated with Tower Hamlets, this should be the big demographic groups of the Eastenders cast:
Bangladeshi: 32% White British: 31% White Other: 12% Black African: 4% Chinese: 3%
What are the other 18%?? Innuits?
I just closed the page! It was scattered between lots of 2 per cents: White Irish, Black Caribbean, Mixed Black-White, Indians, Pakistanis, Mixed White-Asian, etc.
"Kelly Tolhurst did herself no favours on Radio Kent this morning. Where to the Tories get these peoiple from?"
Ben as so often makes a very astute point "Where do the Tories get these people from?". She reminded me of one of the early losers in The Apprentice but to answer his question they got her from an open primary.
What does this tell us about the constituents of Rochester who voted in the primary? Either they were fifth columnists from another party or more significantly that this is the sort of termagant that appeals to their voters.
A termagant for those like me who didn't know is a harsh-tempered or overbearing woman.
As my MP for many years was Ann Widdecombe who in her younger days before she became the cuddly figure on Strictly would have fitted that bill quite well I don't see it necessarily as an electoral disadvantage. Indeed the majority here fell drastically in 2010 after her departure.
He has been right on the money regarding US interference in the Ukraine too.
In the second link he discusses the Midsomer Murders controversy, where the producer defended the lack of non white characters
If people got uptight about Midsomer Murders, why aren't they up in arms about EastEnders? Midsomer is far more accurate in its portrayal of the demographic... There aren't that many non white people in the kind of areas it is set, and so the show is quite realistic.
Eastenders cast however, should be mainly Muslim, over 50% non white ,with a large percentage of Eastern Europeans. many of the cahracters should be unable to or prefer not to speak English... The portrayal is more of West Essex than the East End of London
this is surely racist? I think the reason the bbc cast the show thus is because if it were accurate, non Londoners simply wouldn't believe it
Given that the East End is pretty well correlated with Tower Hamlets, this should be the big demographic groups of the Eastenders cast:
Bangladeshi: 32% White British: 31% White Other: 12% Black African: 4% Chinese: 3%
He has been right on the money regarding US interference in the Ukraine too.
In the second link he discusses the Midsomer Murders controversy, where the producer defended the lack of non white characters
If people got uptight about Midsomer Murders, why aren't they up in arms about EastEnders? Midsomer is far more accurate in its portrayal of the demographic... There aren't that many non white people in the kind of areas it is set, and so the show is quite realistic.
Eastenders cast however, should be mainly Muslim, over 50% non white ,with a large percentage of Eastern Europeans. many of the cahracters should be unable to or prefer not to speak English... The portrayal is more of West Essex than the East End of London
this is surely racist? I think the reason the bbc cast the show thus is because if it were accurate, non Londoners simply wouldn't believe it
Given that the East End is pretty well correlated with Tower Hamlets, this should be the big demographic groups of the Eastenders cast:
Bangladeshi: 32% White British: 31% White Other: 12% Black African: 4% Chinese: 3%
I always thought it was a cross of Wathamstow and Stratford?
You could include bits of Newham (which would thus be a lot more ethnic minority), but I'd have thought Waltham Forest would be too far north.
I've just had £2 on the Conservatives for R&S @ 28 and £2 on Labour @ £520.
Even if you expect UKIP to win these odds are worth a few quid.
Or are the PB Tories 'all fart and no follow through' ?
I've taken a little on the Tories. The current odds are barmy - the Tories should be around 5/1, given how much of UKIP's support comes from people who may not actually get round to voting. Also, I heard some moderately encouraging feedback from an experienced canvasser last night.
In the end the SNP needs a Westminster green light for an independence referendum that will be internationally recognised. They can pretend otherwise, just as they pretend so many things, but the practical reality is that without the UK government's sign-off there is no possibility of a currency union, EU membership, NATO membership, UN membership, inward investment, on-going trade with the rUK and so on. At some stage this reality will kick in.
If we look at what's covered by the Eastenders map just before the title comes up, isam is more right than I am: the centre-point is more inside Newham than Tower Hamlets, but pretty close to the border.
The major groups in the demographics of Newham are:
17% White British 11% Other White (mainly Eastern European) 14% Indian 12% Bangladeshi 10% Pakistani 12% Black African 5% Black Caribbean
It does seem like Eastenders is massively pro-white in its casting, completely out of touch with the groups that live there.
He has been right on the money regarding US interference in the Ukraine too.
In the second link he discusses the Midsomer Murders controversy, where the producer defended the lack of non white characters
If people got uptight about Midsomer Murders, why aren't they up in arms about EastEnders? Midsomer is far more accurate in its portrayal of the demographic... There aren't that many non white people in the kind of areas it is set, and so the show is quite realistic.
Eastenders cast however, should be mainly Muslim, over 50% non white ,with a large percentage of Eastern Europeans. many of the cahracters should be unable to or prefer not to speak English... The portrayal is more of West Essex than the East End of London
this is surely racist? I think the reason the bbc cast the show thus is because if it were accurate, non Londoners simply wouldn't believe it
Given that the East End is pretty well correlated with Tower Hamlets, this should be the big demographic groups of the Eastenders cast:
Bangladeshi: 32% White British: 31% White Other: 12% Black African: 4% Chinese: 3%
"Senior members of UKIP are campaigning behind the scenes to have Patrick O'Flynn MEP removed as economic spokesman after his appearance on the BBC's Newsnight programme last Monday night."
"His opponents are now circulating a letter calling for him to go, which they hope to publish this week. One source who is not involved with the letter told Breitbart London: “He really does need to shut up with all talk of aggressive tax avoidance and bashing big business... It's a real mistake to have a pinko in such an important position."
If someone was ever again going to call someone a "pinko", it was surely going to have to be in UKIP. Just wouldn't have expected it to be one of their own they were talking about.
Ferrets in a sack....
Pinko is such a poor insult.
Traitorous Pigdog on the other hand
As if by magic, I appear when those words appear.... unbelievably I've put some more against the Rochester schweinhund.
@isam Why don't you write a complaint to the BBC about this? Its casting clearly is completely misinforming the British public about the extent of immigration into inner city areas. That seems to go directly against the BBC's mandate.
Anyone thinking backing Scotland tomorrow, you can get around 11/4.
Seems decent odds, considering how well the Scots are playing under Strachan, it is at home, and playing against England is Scotland's World Cup Final, so they will really be up for it and on a high from beating the Southern Bog trotters.
I just hope the England fans over there sing the proper version of God Save the Queen, the one with the bit crushing rebellious Scots, and ending their sedition.
I agree they are good odds. We have had many teams with better players on the bench than this team has available to it but their willingness to work and play for each other is a real credit to the coach. They end up being far more than the sum of their parts.
Of course it would be better if the first half England turned up for the 90 minutes!
"Senior members of UKIP are campaigning behind the scenes to have Patrick O'Flynn MEP removed as economic spokesman after his appearance on the BBC's Newsnight programme last Monday night."
"His opponents are now circulating a letter calling for him to go, which they hope to publish this week. One source who is not involved with the letter told Breitbart London: “He really does need to shut up with all talk of aggressive tax avoidance and bashing big business... It's a real mistake to have a pinko in such an important position."
If someone was ever again going to call someone a "pinko", it was surely going to have to be in UKIP. Just wouldn't have expected it to be one of their own they were talking about.
Ferrets in a sack....
Pinko is such a poor insult.
Traitorous Pigdog on the other hand
As if by magic, I appear when those words appear.... unbelievably I've put some more against the Rochester schweinhund.
for those who care, should our local girl triumph, my winnings would be over £6k now....
a good night at the dogs with that on friday??????????? ok perhaps not.
"Senior members of UKIP are campaigning behind the scenes to have Patrick O'Flynn MEP removed as economic spokesman after his appearance on the BBC's Newsnight programme last Monday night."
"His opponents are now circulating a letter calling for him to go, which they hope to publish this week. One source who is not involved with the letter told Breitbart London: “He really does need to shut up with all talk of aggressive tax avoidance and bashing big business... It's a real mistake to have a pinko in such an important position."
If someone was ever again going to call someone a "pinko", it was surely going to have to be in UKIP. Just wouldn't have expected it to be one of their own they were talking about.
Ferrets in a sack....
Pinko is such a poor insult.
Traitorous Pigdog on the other hand
As if by magic, I appear when those words appear.... unbelievably I've put some more against the Rochester schweinhund.
So have I.
Did you see my suggestion to your question for the collective noun for a group of traitorous pigdogs?
"Senior members of UKIP are campaigning behind the scenes to have Patrick O'Flynn MEP removed as economic spokesman after his appearance on the BBC's Newsnight programme last Monday night."
"His opponents are now circulating a letter calling for him to go, which they hope to publish this week. One source who is not involved with the letter told Breitbart London: “He really does need to shut up with all talk of aggressive tax avoidance and bashing big business... It's a real mistake to have a pinko in such an important position."
If someone was ever again going to call someone a "pinko", it was surely going to have to be in UKIP. Just wouldn't have expected it to be one of their own they were talking about.
Syria/Iraq seems to be turning into a playground free-for-all.
I feel sorry for Obama. He's concentrating on ISIL, so Assad has supposedly left them alone and is now tonking the moderate opposition. But if the Yanks start on Assad, he may start trying to shoot down the US aircraft, so ISIL get a reprieve and ....
As the Irish say ... "If I was you, sir, I wouldn't have started from here."
Too late now. Thanks, Tony.
Someone still believes in the 'moderate' opposition? How quaint, I thought that went out with steam railways and feeling bumps.
One thing is for sure - Populus either know something the other pollsters are missing or they are massively inflating the big 2 at the expense of the rest.
Regarding the critcisms on here of Kelly Tollhurst by BenM & Roger -their views can be discounted as both are Labour supporters but to then denigrate the primary voters for choosing her does show a more serious contempt for the electors. Certainly in Roger's rather strange world Tory voters barely deserve the right to vote. Politics really shouldn't be that nasty.
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http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/politics/domestic_politics/factcheck+no+more+boom+and+bust/2564157.html
http://youtu.be/puMqlj0QRjA
EICIPM
Won't Dave just stop him coming back here for two years?
In retrospect, he was wrong, on a factual basis, on almost everything.
If so happy to register that bet.
Offering value bets against the market on ukip doing well has proved successful for me on here, hope it is for you too
Also, Hitchens is too stubborn in his own black and white view of the world to be able to understand that the "rebels" did not all become ISIS. Many of the groups were directly fighting ISIS: there are videos of British ISIS fighters beheading FSA fighters. Getting killed by ISIS and then having your weapons and territory taken by them isn't the same as turning into them.
The Abenomics strategy is supposed to be that you print money and create inflationary expectations, so people spend more before the value of their money falls and the economy grows. But I suspect if you do that with an aging population and a government that looks like it won't be able to pay their pensions all that happens is that everybody sees the price of everything going up and their savings getting devalued, worries even more about the future and spends even less.
Well... Peter Hitchens may be right in his conclusion, but Morris Dancer is right to point out that his facts were simply wrong.
Trust you all will be behaving yourselves, pre, at and after Dirty Dicks on Friday.
"A single 10-second kiss can transfer as many as 80 million bacteria, according to Dutch scientists."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-30055646
17/11/2014 08:05
At least one former MP being investigated for child abuse is employing Political insiders for PR 'advice'
He said it seemed like we were being encouraged to believe we should commit ground troops, which cameron was in favour of, and that we should be wary of propaganda used to sway us.
He then painted a picture of what might happen if we did commit ground troops to illustrate why we shouldn't
Mike Smithson (@MSmithsonPB)
17/11/2014 10:28
UKIP drop to 11% in today's Populus online poll
: Lab 36 (+1), Con 35 (+2), LD 7 (-2), UKIP 11 (-2),
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2030849/Libya-Were-cheering-rebels-AK-47s-worse-Gaddafi.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1367993/Libyas-War-Why-just-let-fight-make-friends-winners.html
He has been right on the money regarding US interference in the Ukraine too.
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2014/11/curdling-the-blood.html
I take it that Peter Hitchens didn't want to use the line "a faraway country of which we know little" because Neville Chamberlain's words are still in copyright until next year.
Interesting that the loopy fruit Hichens states the Tories cannot blame Labour for what they perceive to be going wrong after 4.5 years and yet............ Completely ignores that in 2008 and up to the present day Labour still blame the Tories for the Labour led and constructed catastrophe and even blame Thatcher for sowing the seeds of That fiscal demise.
Nothing to do with us guv we had only been in power 11 YEARS .....
Oh please? The guys on a different planet.
Feels rather hypocritical given previous Tory rhetoric 2008-now. Prompted a spontaneous outburst from MRS J at the radio this morning.
If people got uptight about Midsomer Murders, why aren't they up in arms about EastEnders? Midsomer is far more accurate in its portrayal of the demographic... There aren't that many non white people in the kind of areas it is set, and so the show is quite realistic.
Eastenders cast however, should be mainly Muslim, over 50% non white ,with a large percentage of Eastern Europeans. many of the cahracters should be unable to or prefer not to speak English... The portrayal is more of West Essex than the East End of London
this is surely racist? I think the reason the bbc cast the show thus is because if it were accurate, non Londoners simply wouldn't believe it
That UKIP winning margin may have widened a little.
Actually looking at the tables, the weighted base of 2010 Lib Dem respondents is higher than that of Labour ! Lib Dems upweighted too... truly dire internals for them.
A candidate drowning I'm afraid.
Khan is a very good candidate. To me Reckless effortlessly outclassed all the other candidates, but Khan came in a good second.
Tolhurst - is as vapid as the Tories themselves. Oh dear.
He is the Tories Dan hodges but interesting they both write in right of centre media. Good for a laugh if nowt else.
If he had beheaded a relative of yours would you use that phrase to refer to him?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/cameron-wants-jihadi-john-alive-to-face-justice-as-reports-emerge-isis-militant-is-injured-9863555.html
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/11/17/Moves-To-Remove-OFlynn-After-Anti-Business-Newsnight-Interview
"Senior members of UKIP are campaigning behind the scenes to have Patrick O'Flynn MEP removed as economic spokesman after his appearance on the BBC's Newsnight programme last Monday night."
"His opponents are now circulating a letter calling for him to go, which they hope to publish this week. One source who is not involved with the letter told Breitbart London: “He really does need to shut up with all talk of aggressive tax avoidance and bashing big business... It's a real mistake to have a pinko in such an important position."
Does anyone have this weeks ELBOW please
'"Senior members of UKIP are campaigning behind the scenes to have Patrick O'Flynn MEP removed as economic spokesman after his appearance on the BBC's Newsnight programme last Monday night."
What a car crash,to get savaged by Evan Davis is a real achievement.
Bangladeshi: 32%
White British: 31%
White Other: 12%
Black African: 4%
Chinese: 3%
Seems decent odds, considering how well the Scots are playing under Strachan, it is at home, and playing against England is Scotland's World Cup Final, so they will really be up for it and on a high from beating the Southern Bog trotters.
I just hope the England fans over there sing the proper version of God Save the Queen, the one with the bit crushing rebellious Scots, and ending their sedition.
I feel sorry for Obama. He's concentrating on ISIL, so Assad has supposedly left them alone and is now tonking the moderate opposition. But if the Yanks start on Assad, he may start trying to shoot down the US aircraft, so ISIL get a reprieve and ....
As the Irish say ... "If I was you, sir, I wouldn't have started from here."
Too late now. Thanks, Tony.
Ben as so often makes a very astute point "Where do the Tories get these people from?". She reminded me of one of the early losers in The Apprentice but to answer his question they got her from an open primary.
What does this tell us about the constituents of Rochester who voted in the primary? Either they were fifth columnists from another party or more significantly that this is the sort of termagant that appeals to their voters.
If they renamed it 'Essex Suburbs' it would be realistic
Ferrets in a sack....
Traitorous Pigdog on the other hand
As my MP for many years was Ann Widdecombe who in her younger days before she became the cuddly figure on Strictly would have fitted that bill quite well I don't see it necessarily as an electoral disadvantage. Indeed the majority here fell drastically in 2010 after her departure.
The major groups in the demographics of Newham are:
17% White British
11% Other White (mainly Eastern European)
14% Indian
12% Bangladeshi
10% Pakistani
12% Black African
5% Black Caribbean
It does seem like Eastenders is massively pro-white in its casting, completely out of touch with the groups that live there.
Of course it would be better if the first half England turned up for the 90 minutes!
a good night at the dogs with that on friday??????????? ok perhaps not.
Did you see my suggestion to your question for the collective noun for a group of traitorous pigdogs?
A Sol of traitorous pigdogs.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1190119/Man-charged-racial-harassment-alleged-pig-dog-insult-German-neighbour.html
Regarding the critcisms on here of Kelly Tollhurst by BenM & Roger -their views can be discounted as both are Labour supporters but to then denigrate the primary voters for choosing her does show a more serious contempt for the electors. Certainly in Roger's rather strange world Tory voters barely deserve the right to vote. Politics really shouldn't be that nasty.