It was a bit of a sobering reminder and rather a shock that on the eve of remberance sunday we seem to be forgetting rather than remembering. We are no longer showing we remember as we have always done in the past. I don't think many do wear a poppy with pride anymore or now even wear one at all some wear the horrible white poppy. It was never like this in the past.
Those that forget history etc etc............
What have you got against the white poppy, really? A friend wears one - she's a pacifist and wants to remember the dead but feels the red poppy is too tied up with pride in the war wfforts over the years. There's nothing political in her views.
I don't agree with her myself (it seems to me that the official ceremonies do stress the losses rather than the wars), but she's a passionate Christian and trying to find a way to reconcile her beliefs with the need to remember the dead. Is that such an awful thing?
Well Nick the meaning of the red poppy is established as the being the only thing that grew or was created in Flanders fields rather than killed is very symbolic. I agree the reason is fading into history as a number of posters have pointed out. Its just my view of course.
I just see the white poppy as more a political statement along the lines of the 1960's peace circle. I suppose the same could be said of the red poppy of course dependent on a persons view as you mentioned. Having visited a number of the battlefields and stood in battlefield cemeteries across the world on quiet reflection I would prefer to hope not.
White poppies were started in 1933 by people who remembered WW1 very well indeed:
They have a point. Recent wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya have not exactly made those places peaceful and better places to live. A bit more creativity is needed if we are to have peace than a simplistic response with air strikes.
I am not an absolute pacifist, but the people I know who are are very sincere and active at peacemaking. It takes more than standing aside saying "not in my name" to resolve conflicts. That response without a more positive action is just narcissism.
I don't currently have any bets on the LibDems- but I might be tempted to back Alexander over Salmond, if only because it might galvanise anti-SNP tactical voting, and there is exactly one beneficiary of that...
White poppies are an excellent Idea - they identify the most vomit inducing handwringing metro- feeble wankers out there without having to engage with them - wish they would wear em all year...
Will your buddies be back in George Square tomorrow to give their 'special' salute?
The white poppy issue is quite a nice case study of Haidt's 6 moral bases theory. Lefties apparently don't understand the irritation and offense this posing causes because they don't comprehend the implicit sanctity of the red poppy campaign for people with all moral senses functioning fully.
Salmond should retire from politics. He's been past his best for some time, probably blowing a winning position in the referendum with his Kinnock-like hubris.
The white poppy issue is quite a nice case study of Haidt's 6 moral bases theory. Lefties apparently don't understand the irritation and offense this posing causes because they don't comprehend the implicit sanctity of the red poppy campaign for people with all moral senses functioning fully.
And it is clear that the incomprehension is mutual. While some wear no poppy because of thoughtlessness, there are a number of people who wear no poppy deliberatly.
I shall be wearing mine tommorow in remembrance for my great grandfather and two great great uncles that number amongst the other 880 000.
The white poppy issue is quite a nice case study of Haidt's 6 moral bases theory. Lefties apparently don't understand the irritation and offense this posing causes because they don't comprehend the implicit sanctity of the red poppy campaign for people with all moral senses functioning fully.
How about wearing both the red and the white poppy. One to honor the dead, the other for your view on pacifism (etc.)?
I'll vote for that, RobD. One to honour my uncles who died, or were wounded in WW's I & II, and the other to symbolise my hope that my grandsons will never have to follow their example.
Regarded as an unprofessional shambles, expected to fade before Xmas, but end up going on strong to when the prizes are given out and end up in the big league?
Even if Alexander did unite an anti-Salmond vote behind him, I would've still thought it wouldn't be enough. I mean, the SNP will surely increase nationally by about 15% atleast, and the signs are that if anything they're trending up even more in the Highlands -- Alexander might have to INCREASE on his 2010 vote to hold on.
White poppies are an excellent Idea - they identify the most vomit inducing handwringing metro- feeble wankers out there without having to engage with them - wish they would wear em all year...
Will your buddies be back in George Square tomorrow to give their 'special' salute?
8 wins on the bounce divs...All eyes on the minutes silence tomorrow at the Sheep dome - hope everyone behaves,,,,,
Regarded as an unprofessional shambles, expected to fade before Xmas, but end up going on strong to when the prizes are given out and end up in the big league?
Heaven help us... Ed doesn't do photo ops as we know... (ignore my avatar)
51m Nick Palmer @Nick4Broxtowe #webackEd because a politician who spends more time on policy than worrying about media is what we need. The Mail doesn't like him? Oh well! Retweeted by Polly Toynbee
20m Janan Ganesh ✔ @JananGanesh Which genius thought a hashtag campaign affirming support for a party leader 6 months before an election would help him?
11m Charlotte Henry @charlotteahenry That #webackEd is happening rather demonstrates the mess he's in. Retweeted by Janan Ganesh
51m Nick Palmer @Nick4Broxtowe #webackEd because a politician who spends more time on policy than worrying about media is what we need. The Mail doesn't like him? Oh well! Retweeted by Polly Toynbee
20m Janan Ganesh ✔ @JananGanesh Which genius thought a hashtag campaign affirming support for a party leader 6 months before an election would help him?
11m Charlotte Henry @charlotteahenry That #webackEd is happening rather demonstrates the mess he's in. Retweeted by Janan Ganesh
If you put "uxout" into "Farage" you get "faux outrage".
I love the sight of pb tories dipping their toes in the unfamiliar waters of social liberalism in order to have a go at Ukip, like trying on their big sisters' clothes when nobody's looking.
If you put "uxout" into "Farage" you get "faux outrage".
I love the sight of pb tories dipping their toes in the unfamiliar waters of social liberalism in order to have a go at Ukip, like trying on their big sisters' clothes when nobody's looking.
Oi, I've always been a social liberal.
In fact, I'm a paid up member of the liberal metropolitan elite, I am ponceyboots Gaylordism personified with my red shoes and £600 man bag
Even if Alexander did unite an anti-Salmond vote behind him, I would've still thought it wouldn't be enough. I mean, the SNP will surely increase nationally by about 15% atleast, and the signs are that if anything they're trending up even more in the Highlands -- Alexander might have to INCREASE on his 2010 vote to hold on.
Didn't Inverness vote 58:42 for the Union? If you assume Salmond gets 80% of the 'Yes' vote, that puts him in the mid 30s. If Tories vote tactically for Alexander, he'll probably make it - otherwise Salmond will grab it.
From Danny's PoV, what's nice about Salmond standing is that he stands a chance of grabbing the "not SNP" vote.
And I firmly believe many parts of Scotland will be voting anti-SNP in the future, in the same way they used to vote anti-Conservative.
Even if Alexander did unite an anti-Salmond vote behind him, I would've still thought it wouldn't be enough. I mean, the SNP will surely increase nationally by about 15% atleast, and the signs are that if anything they're trending up even more in the Highlands -- Alexander might have to INCREASE on his 2010 vote to hold on.
Salmond should have chosen somewhere which voted YES on Sept 18. He move here shows his political naivety. This is the guy, remember, who told the world that the SNP would take Glasgow in 2012. As it turn out LAB returned to power with an overall majority. He's a has-been and a failure.
Even if Alexander did unite an anti-Salmond vote behind him, I would've still thought it wouldn't be enough. I mean, the SNP will surely increase nationally by about 15% atleast, and the signs are that if anything they're trending up even more in the Highlands -- Alexander might have to INCREASE on his 2010 vote to hold on.
Didn't Inverness vote 58:42 for the Union? If you assume Salmond gets 80% of the 'Yes' vote, that puts him in the mid 30s. If Tories vote tactically for Alexander, he'll probably make it - otherwise Salmond will grab it.
From Danny's PoV, what's nice about Salmond standing is that he stands a chance of grabbing the "not SNP" vote.
And I firmly believe many parts of Scotland will be voting anti-SNP in the future, in the same way they used to vote anti-Conservative.
I would vote tactically for Alexander if I lived in the seat.
Regarded as an unprofessional shambles, expected to fade before Xmas, but end up going on strong to when the prizes are given out and end up in the big league?
As they thrive on immigrant players and manager, perhaps not!
I think probably Burnley or Leicester field the most UK born players in the PL!
Regarded as an unprofessional shambles, expected to fade before Xmas, but end up going on strong to when the prizes are given out and end up in the big league?
No West Ham are the Kippers of the PL.
NUFC are the true Ukippers,led by zero-hours man Ashley and sponsored by Wonga.That's what Ukip stands for.More Tory than the Tories.
Even if Alexander did unite an anti-Salmond vote behind him, I would've still thought it wouldn't be enough. I mean, the SNP will surely increase nationally by about 15% atleast, and the signs are that if anything they're trending up even more in the Highlands -- Alexander might have to INCREASE on his 2010 vote to hold on.
Salmond should have chosen somewhere which voted YES on Sept 18. He move here shows his political naivety. This is the guy, remember, who told the world that the SNP would take Glasgow in 2012. As it turn out LAB returned to power with an overall majority. He's a has-been and a failure.
@annemcelvoy: Note #WebackEd emphasises only 6 months to election. Which carries implication that if there were more time, it might've been #WesackEd
The very fact that Miliband thinks twitter is where it's all really at says it all - I imagine that north London broadband services are buckling as I write this - whilst the rest of us are watching strictly and/or x-factor.
The very fact that Miliband thinks twitter is where it's all really at says it all - I imagine that north London broadband services are buckling as I write this - whilst the rest of us are watching strictly and/or x-factor.
No
Ed launched his fightback on Facebook cos he said only journalists use Twitter.
This campaign is a "supporter" trying to be "helpful"
Regarded as an unprofessional shambles, expected to fade before Xmas, but end up going on strong to when the prizes are given out and end up in the big league?
' France’s far-right Front National, led by Marine Le Pen, decided he was too extreme for an alliance. But now Korwin-Mikke’s party has come to the rescue of Ukip’s parliamentary alliance.'
Regarded as an unprofessional shambles, expected to fade before Xmas, but end up going on strong to when the prizes are given out and end up in the big league?
No West Ham are the Kippers of the PL.
NUFC are the true Ukippers,led by zero-hours man Ashley and sponsored by Wonga.That's what Ukip stands for.More Tory than the Tories.
Oh dear. More poll woes coming for Ed Miliband in the Sunday @Telegraph tonight. Will they seal the Labour leader's fate?
If the figure is less than 29%, quite possibly.
Normally they use ICM to do a Wisdom Index poll.
Crossover there?
The wisdom index as explained by ICM themselves is a little on the crap side of polling. What people expect and what people vote are 2 different things.
51m Nick Palmer @Nick4Broxtowe #webackEd because a politician who spends more time on policy than worrying about media is what we need. The Mail doesn't like him? Oh well! Retweeted by Polly Toynbee
How utterly pathetic to see our dear Nick brown-nosing as if he'd already won Broxtowe - tells us all we need to know about what sort of MP he'll be - and the shame of being re-tweeted by la Toynbee.
Tbf, it's not much different from when he was an MP.
Regarded as an unprofessional shambles, expected to fade before Xmas, but end up going on strong to when the prizes are given out and end up in the big league?
No West Ham are the Kippers of the PL.
NUFC are the true Ukippers,led by zero-hours man Ashley and sponsored by Wonga.That's what Ukip stands for.More Tory than the Tories.
Yes good stuff - but NUFC aren't 3rd in the table..
#webackEd because a politician who spends more time on policy than worrying about media is what we need.
I see little evidence Ed spends more time on policy than worrying about the media. On the contrary, his team seem to spend more time worrying about it because he has media problems.
Honestly, I think the attacks on Ed M are overblown, but what we are getting is an attempt to suggest that because he does poorly in the media, that it follows that he must be good at things the media is not interested in, like policy (he has had some interesting announcements, but again, no evidence of anything special generally)
It is similar to the overdone efforts of Brown's spinners when they hammered the point, far too hard, that their guy had substance, which was more important than style. While true that it is more important, what the spinners were trying then, and are trying now, is to suggest that you cannot have both, and that therefore if Cameron or anyone else displays more style, or has more support in the media (not that Cameron has it all his own way), that they must lack substance or good policy.
It's lazy stuff and quite untrue, but I think it can have some effect, if not enough on its own.
Given Ed's status as a Brown ally for so long, I guess it should not be a surprise his people would use the same tactic.
Edit: I should add the hardly startling revelation that the proof such a tactic is bollocks is that I very much doubt Labour were trying to implicitly suggest such a dichotomy when Blair was in charge, who even though I found him oily and smarmy, is generally conceded to have been good on style as well.
The white poppy issue is quite a nice case study of Haidt's 6 moral bases theory. Lefties apparently don't understand the irritation and offense this posing causes because they don't comprehend the implicit sanctity of the red poppy campaign for people with all moral senses functioning fully.
The red poppy is OK. It is the colour of the Labour Party. Thank God we do not have a blue poppy !
Ed Miliband’s Labour party leadership was plunged into fresh crisis as senior Labour MPs revealed that at least 20 shadow ministers were on the brink of calling for him to stand down.
The frontbenchers are willing to go public with their demand if the former home secretary, Alan Johnson, indicates that he would be prepared to step into the breach, should Labour be left leaderless just months from a general election. The senior status of the potential rebels and their numbers represent another grievous blow to Miliband’s authority, after attempts by his aides to minimise the extent of dissatisfaction in the party.
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http://www.ppu.org.uk/learn/early/poppy3_early_years.html
They have a point. Recent wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya have not exactly made those places peaceful and better places to live. A bit more creativity is needed if we are to have peace than a simplistic response with air strikes.
I am not an absolute pacifist, but the people I know who are are very sincere and active at peacemaking. It takes more than standing aside saying "not in my name" to resolve conflicts. That response without a more positive action is just narcissism.
Is it grass roots or blue rinse ?
Perhaps i'm a naive fool, but surely the 5/2 on danny holding his seat is the value right now?
Betting on bad outcomes for Leicester City makes good sense at present. The Gods are punishing us for humiliating Man United six weeks ago!
Incidentally Nigel Pearson may be the next prem manager to go if there is a poor performance against Sunderland in two weeks.
I shall be wearing mine tommorow in remembrance for my great grandfather and two great great uncles that number amongst the other 880 000.
Those freedoms include not wearing a red poppy if you so choose and/or the freedom to wear a white poppy.
Ed Miliband to fight leadership threats with European Union attack on David Cameron
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ed-miliband-fight-leadership-threats-4595049
Are Southampton the UKIP of the Premier League?
Regarded as an unprofessional shambles, expected to fade before Xmas, but end up going on strong to when the prizes are given out and end up in the big league?
‘When women say no, they don’t always mean it’
Korwin-Mikke, the far-right Polish leader whose deal gave Ukip more power in Brussels, reveals his views on Hitler and rape
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/08/nigel-farage-ukip-europe-janusz-korwin-mikke
Any suggestion what I should wear tomorrow?
51m Nick Palmer @Nick4Broxtowe
#webackEd because a politician who spends more time on policy than worrying about media is what we need. The Mail doesn't like him? Oh well!
Retweeted by Polly Toynbee
20m Janan Ganesh ✔ @JananGanesh
Which genius thought a hashtag campaign affirming support for a party leader 6 months before an election would help him?
11m Charlotte Henry @charlotteahenry
That #webackEd is happening rather demonstrates the mess he's in.
Retweeted by Janan Ganesh
It's going to be wet so I should wear a waterproof if I were you.
#webackEd
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B18dhbZIgAEh3LG.jpg:large
and this one
Tim Stanley @timothy_stanley 1h1 hour ago
#webackEd because it'll be nice to change that pub quiz answer from Michael foot to someone new.
I love the sight of pb tories dipping their toes in the unfamiliar waters of social liberalism in order to have a go at Ukip, like trying on their big sisters' clothes when nobody's looking.
In fact, I'm a paid up member of the liberal metropolitan elite, I am ponceyboots Gaylordism personified with my red shoes and £600 man bag
From Danny's PoV, what's nice about Salmond standing is that he stands a chance of grabbing the "not SNP" vote.
And I firmly believe many parts of Scotland will be voting anti-SNP in the future, in the same way they used to vote anti-Conservative.
No information yet on whether he has become a casualty or not.
I think probably Burnley or Leicester field the most UK born players in the PL!
I think that Derryman's shirt would go down well at church tomorrow. I see enough GAA shirts there every week.
I do have quite a range of Italian shirts, but as I'm poorly it's too cold to wear any.
#webackEd because a politician who spends more time on policy than worrying about media is what we need.
Particularly when you have a face best suited for radio.
Ed launched his fightback on Facebook cos he said only journalists use Twitter.
This campaign is a "supporter" trying to be "helpful"
Christopher Hope @christopherhope
Oh dear. More poll woes coming for Ed Miliband in the Sunday @Telegraph tonight. Will they seal the Labour leader's fate?
' France’s far-right Front National, led by Marine Le Pen, decided he was too extreme for an alliance. But now Korwin-Mikke’s party has come to the rescue of Ukip’s parliamentary alliance.'
Farage picks up Le Pen's rejects says it all.
Crossover there?
What people expect and what people vote are 2 different things.
Thank you all for your, er, helpful suggestions but we have a winner which:
Respects the military fallen warriors in all wars
Italian
Comes from my father's home province of Napoli
http://customsportsgears.com/images/13_14_Napoli_third_away_CAMO_soccer_sNapoli
I see little evidence Ed spends more time on policy than worrying about the media. On the contrary, his team seem to spend more time worrying about it because he has media problems.
Honestly, I think the attacks on Ed M are overblown, but what we are getting is an attempt to suggest that because he does poorly in the media, that it follows that he must be good at things the media is not interested in, like policy (he has had some interesting announcements, but again, no evidence of anything special generally)
It is similar to the overdone efforts of Brown's spinners when they hammered the point, far too hard, that their guy had substance, which was more important than style. While true that it is more important, what the spinners were trying then, and are trying now, is to suggest that you cannot have both, and that therefore if Cameron or anyone else displays more style, or has more support in the media (not that Cameron has it all his own way), that they must lack substance or good policy.
It's lazy stuff and quite untrue, but I think it can have some effect, if not enough on its own.
Given Ed's status as a Brown ally for so long, I guess it should not be a surprise his people would use the same tactic.
Edit: I should add the hardly startling revelation that the proof such a tactic is bollocks is that I very much doubt Labour were trying to implicitly suggest such a dichotomy when Blair was in charge, who even though I found him oily and smarmy, is generally conceded to have been good on style as well.
But, as already mentioned, my family comes from the Mezzogiorno, far to the South.
The frontbenchers are willing to go public with their demand if the former home secretary, Alan Johnson, indicates that he would be prepared to step into the breach, should Labour be left leaderless just months from a general election. The senior status of the potential rebels and their numbers represent another grievous blow to Miliband’s authority, after attempts by his aides to minimise the extent of dissatisfaction in the party.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/08/ed-miliband-crisis-labour-mps-back-leadership-change
#webacked away from Blairite reforms.
#webacked what the unions want.
#webacked away from supporting entrepreneurs.
#webacked any populist bandwagon.
Have I got this right?
Lab 32 (-1) Con 29 (-4) UKIP 19 (+1) LD 9 (+3)