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  • It stopped bothering me when I realised how little privacy I actually needed, and how little I actually cared about it. For example, I simply assume that all my telecoms can be monitored, and make sure nothing appears in them that would not bear the light of day.


    Yes, very sensible.

    In fact a very good rule is that one should never write anything on a computer which you wouldn't want read out in court. It's a rule which, amazingly, many politicians and other public figures don't seem to have learnt.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    What are likely to be the closest Senate races tonight?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    TimB Romney would now beat Obama 53-44%, Clinton would beat Romney 55-42% that is reason enough to pick her, she is the only Democrat with a good chance, any other nominee would lose to any GOP candidate with the possible exception of Cruz
    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/07/27/cnn-poll-romney-tops-obama-but-loses-to-clinton/
  • AndyJS said:

    Just updated my iPad 2 with iOs 8.1 — and it's going about a million times slower. And I had read about the problems with the update a few weeks ago.

    Stupidly I thought they might have sorted it out by now, but obviously they don't want to in order to force people to buy new devices.

    It's also a complete b*gger to cut n'paste on Vanilla - used to be easy, now it's a major hassle - text does not copy/will not paste/old text pastes when it will......nightmare!
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Tim_B said:

    Speedy said:

    Tim_B said:

    Speedy said:

    Tim_B said:

    Kentucky - opinion of Grimes Fave 45% unfave 52%
    opinion of McConnell - exactly the same

    Importance of control of Senate 88% yes

    You are watching CNN too ha?
    Nope - Fox News. I need numbers not flashy screens and John Roberts. Fox leaves the crawler on during commercials - not sure if CNN does. CNN gets lousy ratings for a reason. MsNBC exists only to make CNN look good :-)
    CNN is very good at election coverage, they broadcast it like it's a natural disaster.
    I have Fox and CNN side by side. Fox is quicker and they give more info.
    That is true, but CNN is less boring (as I said they broadcast election nights like it's a natural disaster).
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    Speedy said:

    hunchman said:
    You know that she has a daughter, so that rumour is silly.
    Plenty of gay/lesbian people live closeted lives. Saying that, I have no ideas what these rumors are, nor do I particularly care!
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited November 2014
    Yeap, McConnell has won.
    CNN projects.
    It was quicker than I expected.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Fox calling KY for McConnell
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    CNN Projects McConnell and Graham to win, so the probable next Majority Leader holds his seat
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    Smarmeron said:

    @Richard_Nabavi
    You get real. The reason we are supposed to be fighting terrorism is to protect our freedoms.
    One of which is the right to privacy.

    If anyone is going to destroy our way of life, better it be us than someone else I guess? The flippant dismissal of privacy concerns can be really, well, concerning, as we are essentially told, don't question if things go too far, just keep your own behaviour above reproach and it'll be fine, trust us. That remains the answer no matter how many lines crossed and lies are discovered.

  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited November 2014
    CNN says Virginia and Georgia is too close to call, for now.
    Interesting.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Richard_Nabavi
    So, you have reached the stage where you rationalize giving away your rights to protect your rights?
    Always more stupid laws to remove a freedom, till one day the shepherds can guard the sheep, and the wolves will howl no more.
    No dissent, just safe and secure in the pens of the state and watched by their benevolent eye....
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Fox calls SC for GOP
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited November 2014
    The exit poll for Virginia is 50-47 for the Democrats that is much closer than the 50-42 that the average of polls said.
    If it's that close, that will be the second race after Kentucky that the GOP is doing better than the polls suggested.
  • NinoinozNinoinoz Posts: 1,312

    RobD said:

    Hugh said:

    Rupert Murdoch's 21st Century Fox reported profits of $999m (£624m) in the third quarter, buoyed by strong earnings in its film and cable television units. The company also said revenue rose to $8.42bn, a 17% increase from the same period last year.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29903671

    There are a few things certain in this world and one of them is that old Rupert always has the last laugh.

    His criminal employees hacking the phones of dead children was a right hoot.
    I get the impression you aren't keen on Murdoch or his empire?
    Labour supporters have rather gone off Mr Murdoch, since he stopped supporting Labour. I suppose it's understandable, if a touch ungrateful for all his help over the years.
    And Conservative supporters have continued to back him no matter how bad the crimes of his employees , no doubt hoping that support will be paid back in the future .
    And Labour supporters have continued to back the BBC no matter how ridiculously bad the crimes of its employees have been proven to be.

    Well, at least they're consistent.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564
    AndyJS said:

    What are likely to be the closest Senate races tonight?

    See

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2014/senate/2014_elections_senate_map.html

    Kentucky was "leaning" Republican. Georgia is one of the tossups.

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    What are likely to be the closest Senate races tonight?

    See

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2014/senate/2014_elections_senate_map.html

    Kentucky was "leaning" Republican. Georgia is one of the tossups.

    Thanks. Normally I read up on mid-term elections beforehand but haven't had time this year.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    AndyJS said:

    What are likely to be the closest Senate races tonight?

    See

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2014/senate/2014_elections_senate_map.html

    Kentucky was "leaning" Republican. Georgia is one of the tossups.

    I prefer this:
    http://electoral-vote.com/
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I'm having second thoughts about the naming of the murderer now that I've learned he was only 15 at the time of the crime.
  • It stopped bothering me when I realised how little privacy I actually needed, and how little I actually cared about it. For example, I simply assume that all my telecoms can be monitored, and make sure nothing appears in them that would not bear the light of day.


    Yes, very sensible.

    In fact a very good rule is that one should never write anything on a computer which you wouldn't want read out in court. It's a rule which, amazingly, many politicians and other public figures don't seem to have learnt.
    In the American Corporation I used to work for the simple rule was "never write anything you wouldn't be happy to see on the front page of the New York Times - because that's where it could end up" - it's as true of old fashioned typewriters (and their ribbons and carbon paper) as it is of emails. Of course by following that rule, nothing is ever newsworthy enough to end up on the front page of the NYT!
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited November 2014
    So far exit polls are better for the GOP than the opinion polls suggested by 6% in Kentucky, 5% in Virginia and 2% in Georgia.
  • Smarmeron said:

    @Richard_Nabavi
    You get real. The reason we are supposed to be fighting terrorism is to protect our freedoms.
    One of which is the right to privacy.
    What else would you give up to stop the nasty bogeymen?

    You have a right to privacy, within the law. It's not unconditional; for example, you can't keep your financial affairs private from the taxman, or refuse to fill in a census form.

    If you really want to keep your communications private, there's a very simple way. Don't use email, don't use mobile phones, switch off GPS, and don't use Facebook.
    Out of interest does your take on this stay the same as the technology to eavesdrop on things that used to be private expands? If it becomes possible for the government to monitor conversations behind closed doors by picking up little vibrations or whatever, will you be saying, "no absolute right to privacy, if you want private communications don't whisper them to your lover"?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564
    Speedy said:

    The exit poll for Virginia is 50-47 for the Democrats that is much closer than the 50-42 that the average of polls said.
    If it's that close, that will be the second race after Kentucky that the GOP is doing better than the polls suggested.

    Interesting - where are you seeing the exit polls?
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693

    It stopped bothering me when I realised how little privacy I actually needed, and how little I actually cared about it. For example, I simply assume that all my telecoms can be monitored, and make sure nothing appears in them that would not bear the light of day.


    Yes, very sensible.

    In fact a very good rule is that one should never write anything on a computer which you wouldn't want read out in court. It's a rule which, amazingly, many politicians and other public figures don't seem to have learnt.
    The way technology is going, *everything* is going to be recorded whether you like it or not. OK google/siri will be *always on* - everything everyone knows will be available and accessible to someone, somewhere, with no opt-out.

    The geeks at gchq will figure out ways of linking all this data together.

    That is just the way of the new world. You can be paranoid, monitor what you say, blame people for being *stupid* for getting caught, etc etc. But that's not a world that I want to live in. 1984 sounded terrifying. The reality will probably be just fine, once we've adjusted our expectations of people and rewritten the lawbook to only criminalise stuff that actually matters.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564
    This presentaiton is quite fun - you need to scroll down to the Kentucky one to see it in action at the moment:

    http://elections.nytimes.com/2014/senate-model
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Speedy said:

    The exit poll for Virginia is 50-47 for the Democrats that is much closer than the 50-42 that the average of polls said.
    If it's that close, that will be the second race after Kentucky that the GOP is doing better than the polls suggested.

    Interesting - where are you seeing the exit polls?
    CNN.
  • volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078
    This is the background to the Smoke The Vote message issued by NORML.Alaska turnout up already.There are 4 states affected.The cannabis votes could determine the outcome there and elsewhere.Canada's drug policy abuse campaign has Canada in its sights too.The UK is next.
    http://blog.norml.org/2014/11/03/marijuana-midterm-smoke-the-vote-november-4th/


  • ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689
    antifrank said:

    AndyJS said:

    No surprise - some people on Newsnight have been offended by the naming of the 16 year old murderer yesterday.

    I must say I'm troubled by this. It's undoubtedly a matter where the public are interested. But he's a young boy and clearly severely disturbed, and the release of his name and photo is not going to do anything to help start the long process of rehabilitating him.
    What the hell are you whiffling about....the boy by all reports is a classic psycopath. A condition as yet uncurable. This isnt a case of slap him on the wrist and he will behave better. He should no more be let out that sutcliffe should be.

    I have every sympathy for him and it is certainly not his fault that the wiring in his brain is substandard but let him out and something will trigger him again at some point. If he was in his mid twenties or thirties you would be arguing for throwing away the key.

    He certainly shouldn't be in prison but he also shouldn't ever be wandering the streets again either unless we come up with a cure for his condition

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033

    This presentaiton is quite fun - you need to scroll down to the Kentucky one to see it in action at the moment:

    http://elections.nytimes.com/2014/senate-model

    Very cool.
  • I always assume someone could be reading my emails or monitoring what I am surfing.
    If the Russians or the Chinese were monitoring my internet or mobile phone, what exactly could I do about it? So why get all het up about GCHQ doing the same?
  • European migrants to the UK are not a drain on Britain’s finances and pay out far more in taxes than they receive in state benefits, a new study has revealed.

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/05/eu-migrants-uk-gains-20bn-ucl-study
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    On related developments I think Crist has won in Florida for governor.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    RobD said:

    This presentaiton is quite fun - you need to scroll down to the Kentucky one to see it in action at the moment:

    http://elections.nytimes.com/2014/senate-model

    Very cool.
    (how I realise I am a total nerd!)
  • http://www.livestation.com/en/cnni

    I hope no-one is watching the BBC, as CNN is miles better!!!
  • Pong said:

    It stopped bothering me when I realised how little privacy I actually needed, and how little I actually cared about it. For example, I simply assume that all my telecoms can be monitored, and make sure nothing appears in them that would not bear the light of day.


    Yes, very sensible.

    In fact a very good rule is that one should never write anything on a computer which you wouldn't want read out in court. It's a rule which, amazingly, many politicians and other public figures don't seem to have learnt.
    The way technology is going, *everything* is going to be recorded whether you like it or not. OK google/siri will be *always on* - everything everyone knows will be available and accessible to someone, somewhere, with no opt-out.

    The geeks at gchq will figure out ways of linking all this data together.

    That is just the way of the new world. You can be paranoid, monitor what you say, blame people for being *stupid* for getting caught, etc etc. But that's not a world that I want to live in. 1984 sounded terrifying. The reality will probably be just fine, once we've adjusted our expectations of people and rewritten the lawbook to only criminalise stuff that actually matters.
    Seems more likely the lawbook stays the same or adds more laws (the UK has variously criminalized having something rude in your cache, and being unable to produce encryption keys for data that isn't encrypted) and everybody is guilty of something. This makes things much easier for law enforcement, because they can just lock up anyone they see fit.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    HYUFD said:

    TimB Romney would now beat Obama 53-44%, Clinton would beat Romney 55-42% that is reason enough to pick her, she is the only Democrat with a good chance, any other nominee would lose to any GOP candidate with the possible exception of Cruz
    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/07/27/cnn-poll-romney-tops-obama-but-loses-to-clinton/

    But Cruz ain't an NBC, ffs. Cuban, Canadian?

    Do you think the original "Birthers", namely the Founders, Framers and Ratifiers of the Constitution would recognize Ted Cruz as an NBC?

    In his letter of July 25, 1787, John Jay (former President of the Continental Congress, and later first Chief Justice of the United States; contributor to the Federalist Papers) wrote to George Washington (President of the Constitutional Convention, and later first President of the United States):

    “Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen”

    Jay's suggestion was adopted and incorporated into the Constitution...
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    CNN exit poll shows the democrats are doing slightly better in N.Carolina that opinion polls said.
    No surprise, Tillis has a very bad reputation.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    edited November 2014
    antifrank said:

    AndyJS said:

    No surprise - some people on Newsnight have been offended by the naming of the 16 year old murderer yesterday.

    I must say I'm troubled by this. It's undoubtedly a matter where the public are interested. But he's a young boy and clearly severely disturbed, and the release of his name and photo is not going to do anything to help start the long process of rehabilitating him.
    Is it possible to rehabilitate a psychopath ?

    Not sure prison is the right place for him, probably a psychiatric hospital would be more appropriate.
  • Re US Elections....

    I'll be watching the Wisconsin Governor election with much interest. Scott Walker (R) is in a close fight with Mary Burke (D). I've had some long range bets at big prices for Walker to be the GOP nominee for 2016, but he really has to beat Burke to stand any realistic chance.

    I suspect he will win tonite, so if you want to back him for 2016 you might like to do so now. He's 27/1 on Betfair right now. If he clears tonite's hurdle, that should shorten quite a bit.

    (Of course if he doesn't, you've done your money, and I ain't giving refunds.)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    DC Thanks for the CNN Link, yes Crist up 49-43%. If confirmed and the Democrats win the Florida Governorship that will be a boost for Hillary in 2016, as 2000 showed
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    CNN just called WV for GOP, first Senate gain of the night
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    Rod But unlike Obama, birthers have a special path for Cruz
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Crist is neck and neck in Florida with 54% in, but there is nothing yet from Miami county which is heavily democrat.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    HYUFD said:

    Rod But unlike Obama, birthers have a special path for Cruz

    What, like persuading him to petition the Supreme Court with the question: "Am I actually eligible for this gig?"

    (^_-)
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Speedy said:

    Crist is neck and neck in Florida with 54% in, but there is nothing yet from Miami county which is heavily democrat.

    Speedy my dear chap - Miami is a city. You're thinking of Dade County. Crist has gone to court to extend voting times in Broward County, which he needs badly. Signs this is close
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    Smarmeron said:

    @Richard_Nabavi
    So, you have reached the stage where you rationalize giving away your rights to protect your rights?
    Always more stupid laws to remove a freedom, till one day the shepherds can guard the sheep, and the wolves will howl no more.
    No dissent, just safe and secure in the pens of the state and watched by their benevolent eye....

    It was suggested several years ago that islamic terrorists had basically stopped using technology because it was too easy for their opponents to drop bombs or target drones on their cell phone emissions, and that they had moved back to old school couriers and dead drops. If this is the case, all the snooping and crypto in the world won't do much good, although it will be wonderful for domestic intelligence and control. Signals Intelligence is very sexy, but next to useless if your opponent uses face-to-face meetings.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Pulpstar said:

    antifrank said:

    AndyJS said:

    No surprise - some people on Newsnight have been offended by the naming of the 16 year old murderer yesterday.

    I must say I'm troubled by this. It's undoubtedly a matter where the public are interested. But he's a young boy and clearly severely disturbed, and the release of his name and photo is not going to do anything to help start the long process of rehabilitating him.
    Is it possible to rehabilitate a psychopath ?

    Not sure prison is the right place for him, probably a psychiatric hospital would be more appropriate.
    http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/dr-james-fallon-makes-being-a-psychopath-look-like-fun-110

    http://www.wired.com/2014/04/psychopath-brains-kiehl/
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited November 2014
    First projection on the NYT senate model has Gillepsie (R) winning the virginia seat by 3.9%, very early days, but that would be much better that the exit poll not matter opinion polls.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564
    The NYT thinks Gillespie is narrowly ahead in VA, which woulod be very bad news for the dEmocrats - only 7% in yet though.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    The NYT thinks Gillespie is narrowly ahead in VA, which woulod be very bad news for the dEmocrats - only 7% in yet though.

    Its 52-46 for Gillespie with 30% in.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited November 2014
    Pong said:

    Pulpstar said:

    antifrank said:

    AndyJS said:

    No surprise - some people on Newsnight have been offended by the naming of the 16 year old murderer yesterday.

    I must say I'm troubled by this. It's undoubtedly a matter where the public are interested. But he's a young boy and clearly severely disturbed, and the release of his name and photo is not going to do anything to help start the long process of rehabilitating him.
    Is it possible to rehabilitate a psychopath ?

    Not sure prison is the right place for him, probably a psychiatric hospital would be more appropriate.
    http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/dr-james-fallon-makes-being-a-psychopath-look-like-fun-110

    http://www.wired.com/2014/04/psychopath-brains-kiehl/
    The answer is No, although Hare cites some fairly unconvincing evidence that some of them tend to "burn-out" from their depredating ways in their 40s...
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Regarding the US election, allow me to introduce to you Mr & Mrs Hanger Ending, and their son Cliff.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    Speedy said:

    First projection on the NYT senate model has Gillepsie (R) winning the virginia seat by 3.9%, very early days, but that would be much better that the exit poll not matter opinion polls.

    The times seem a bit funny to me. It says it is EST but that would mean counting started at 4pm EST in some states. I think the developer forgot to account for the time in your computer being different from EST.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    edited November 2014
    VA now D+1 on the model
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    DC suburbs are heavily in but Gillespie is still ahead.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    NYT now has Warner ahead by 0.9%.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    GOP projected to win those key swing states of Mississippi, Alabama and Oblahoma. Lamar Alexander wins Tennessee, Susan Collins Maine. The Dems unsurprisingly win NJ and Massachussets
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    CNN exit poll has Shaheen 52-48 in N.Hampshire.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    CNN exit polls NH Shaheen 52-Brown 48%
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Fairfax county is key in VA
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    Hagan ahead 50-47 in NC with 15% in
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564
    Warner now pulling a bit away in the NYT prognosis, and Shaheen well clear. Florida TV shows the race there tied - only 5000 votes in it. Bring out the hanging chads...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    Rod Be assured that will not happen
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited November 2014
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2820859/Cameron-s-battle-EU-shows-immigration-controlled-claims-far-right-French-leader-Le-Pen.html

    "One proposal would ban EU migrants coming to Britain unless they had a job to go to. Anyone unable to support themselves would be deported after three months.

    It is thought the Prime Minister will seek Mrs Merkel’s approval before announcing any changes."

    So not so much the PM of the UK, more the local branch manager.

  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    CNN projects the GOP gain Arkansas.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    A glamorous wife on stage for Mitch McConnell in Kentucky, to misquote Mrs Merton 'What first attracted you to the likely Senate Majority Leader Elaine?'
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564
    Getting tight in VA again. Reluctantly going to bed - long meeting tomorrow...
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Getting tight in VA again. Reluctantly going to bed - long meeting tomorrow...

    Give me your number - I'll call you when anything happens :-)
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited November 2014
    HYUFD said:

    A glamorous wife on stage for Mitch McConnell in Kentucky, to misquote Mrs Merton 'What first attracted you to the likely Senate Majority Leader Elaine?'

    They've been married for about 20 years. She was Labor secretary in Bush 43
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited November 2014

    Getting tight in VA again. Reluctantly going to bed - long meeting tomorrow...

    Indeed with 54% in, Gillespie is still ahead by 7%.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    So that's two confirmed Democrat losses which takes them down from 53 to 51 seats so far.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    I've finished my pizza - will now be fueled by scotch. Looks like a long night
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    It'll be interesting to see which party wins the HoR popular vote, notwithstanding uncontested seats.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    TimB Indeed, but think it fair to say she did not marry him for his looks.

    The GOP win in Arkansas will be a boost to them, and shows it has now firmly moved into the red column since the Clinton years
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    ABC called NH for Shaheen
  • http://www.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/2014/nov/04/norman-baker-home-office-resignation-libdems-tories

    Sorry to be off topic. Guardian jumping the shark (again)

    hatchet job painting Baker as UFO obsessed crazy. wonder which of labour or tories supplied the copy
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    AndyJS said:

    So that's two confirmed Democrat losses which takes them down from 53 to 51 seats so far.

    It's easier to work it the other way - stripping out the states with elections tonight and adding in the seats as they are announced - that gives you a GOP +2 and the current state is D 39 R 41. First to 51 for GOP or 50 for Dem wins.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    hatchet job painting Baker as UFO obsessed crazy. wonder which of labour or tories supplied the copy

    I thought the Guardian was the house magazine for the LDs, more likely someone inside the party is on maneuvers.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    POTUS has invited both parties both house leaderships to a meeting at the White House Friday
  • http://www.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/2014/nov/04/norman-baker-home-office-resignation-libdems-tories

    Sorry to be off topic. Guardian jumping the shark (again)

    hatchet job painting Baker as UFO obsessed crazy. wonder which of labour or tories supplied the copy

    The Guardian hate the Lib Dems for going into coalition with the Conservatives. So they may have concocted their own story.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    CNN projects that the GOP will gain S.Dakota.
  • PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/2014/nov/04/norman-baker-home-office-resignation-libdems-tories

    Sorry to be off topic. Guardian jumping the shark (again)

    hatchet job painting Baker as UFO obsessed crazy. wonder which of labour or tories supplied the copy

    Most probably the Tories. They always do throw dirt (in the press, of course) at any Lib Dem who does not completely cuddle up to the Tories. Norman Baker has said quite clearly what he thinks about the way that Mrs May operates. Thi sis part of a Tory "save Theresa" operation, quite clearly - though I am not sure precisely which Tory (or Tories) would want to do that.

  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited November 2014
    Indigo said:

    hatchet job painting Baker as UFO obsessed crazy. wonder which of labour or tories supplied the copy

    I thought the Guardian was the house magazine for the LDs, more likely someone inside the party is on maneuvers.
    The Spectator reported that Owen Paterson was launching a think tank, so he seems to be getting ready for a Conservative Party leadership contest.

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/11/what-to-expect-from-owen-patersons-think-tank-launch/

    http://www.uk2020.org.uk
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    CNN projects that the GOP will keep control of the house.
    And with that goodnight.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited November 2014
    PClipp said:

    Norman Baker has said quite clearly what he thinks about the way that Mrs May operates.

    Or not:

    http://www.totalpolitics.com/print/444067/interview-norman-baker.thtml

    Baker says the Home Office is a friendlier place than the “hostile, enemy territory” he described when he arrived. How did Theresa May greet him on that first day? “She was very friendly. She denied she was spitting tacks when I asked her – she said she didn’t know where that came from. To be honest I think the interpretation of how she felt wasn’t necessarily her interpretation, but perhaps those ‘close to her’, as the phrase goes. And to be fair, we’re getting on fine. Of course we’re not soul mates, but she’s been quite supportive of me. The fact is I think she respects me because I’m competent and work hard.”

    The feeling seems to be mutual. So much so that when asked which recent Home Secretary he most admires (Roy Jenkins is his all-time favourite) Baker unexpectedly plumps for his new boss. “I don’t really admire many of the Labour ones at all. The Labour years were years of illiberalism and authoritarianism – not the sort of Home Office I want to see. I actually think Theresa May is a very competent Home Secretary so I admire her in that sense. You’ve got to be pretty reasonable to last in that job for that length of time.”


  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    CNN projects GOP hold House of Representatives, unsurprisingly
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    AndyJS said:

    It'll be interesting to see which party wins the HoR popular vote, notwithstanding uncontested seats.

    Can't believe there are uncontested seats. Isn't one of the senate fights uncontested too? utterly barmy!!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    It'll be interesting to see which party wins the HoR popular vote, notwithstanding uncontested seats.

    Can't believe there are uncontested seats. Isn't one of the senate fights uncontested too? utterly barmy!!
    There are stackloads of uncontested seats for the House.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    It'll be interesting to see which party wins the HoR popular vote, notwithstanding uncontested seats.

    Can't believe there are uncontested seats. Isn't one of the senate fights uncontested too? utterly barmy!!
    You must be off the plane...
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited November 2014
    No surprise - everyone predicts a LA runoff.

    Poor buggers
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    It'll be interesting to see which party wins the HoR popular vote, notwithstanding uncontested seats.

    Can't believe there are uncontested seats. Isn't one of the senate fights uncontested too? utterly barmy!!
    You must be off the plane...
    Quick stop in the most wonderful airport in the world, LAX.............*ahem*
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    NH just called 'Massachusetts North' on Fox Strategy Room
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    AndyJS said:

    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    It'll be interesting to see which party wins the HoR popular vote, notwithstanding uncontested seats.

    Can't believe there are uncontested seats. Isn't one of the senate fights uncontested too? utterly barmy!!
    There are stackloads of uncontested seats for the House.
    Which is totally insane!! It's like having an uncontested constituency here at home.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    Tim_B said:

    No surprise - everyone predicts a LA runoff.

    Poor buggers

    Why are there two GOPs on the ballot?
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    It'll be interesting to see which party wins the HoR popular vote, notwithstanding uncontested seats.

    Can't believe there are uncontested seats. Isn't one of the senate fights uncontested too? utterly barmy!!
    You must be off the plane...
    Quick stop in the most wonderful airport in the world, LAX.............*ahem*
    I used to go through the Delta terminal some years back - that was OK.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    RobD said:

    Tim_B said:

    No surprise - everyone predicts a LA runoff.

    Poor buggers

    Why are there two GOPs on the ballot?
    One of them is either a Libertarian or Tea Party or something. It's insane. Landrieu will lose the runoff.

    I'm just praying for a result in Georgia....otherwise it's 2 months
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    Lousiana goes to run-off
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    I want the hog castrator to win.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    GOP gain in Montana - magic number now 2
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