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  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Plato said:

    I voted No. I thought AV was a crap system and its advocates mendacious rather too often.

    FPTP isn't perfect - but it's clear.

    EDIT - you can ask me anything. I have no shame or quarms.

    AndyJS said:

    Plato said:

    I de-lurked during the first AV threads - what a nerdy place PB was then. Not just a private club of insiders, but ones who talked another language.

    IIRC my first post was met with a snidey remark about my screen name. Hence my mission to use Mr et al courtesy and welcoming newbies.

    I really do hope Labour win the South Yorkshire Police Commissioner by-election.

    If Labour lose it, then they might ditch Ed.

    Damnit, I should have given Lab my second pref.

    muppet - we also need UKIP to lose some of the narrative of their 'roll' they are on.... where can I bet on the tory's winning Rochester in the GE even if the pig dog does cling on for a few more squalid months.
    If only this election had been conducted under AV.
    Would we be able to have a thread, reimagining Rochester under AV? That will be a cracker.
    AV - what is this concept?? I think we need say 120 threads on it please.

    AV of course will also be a further hit to Poch's Spurs job too.
    How did you vote on AV, IYDMMA?
    Could have sworn you were on PB long before the AV vote. Anyway, I voted NO too, but only because STV wasn't an option :)
    I voted no for similar reasons. Either STV or a Scottish style top up list would have got my vote.

    I suspect that AV would differ than FPTP in that negative voting in a forced choice system seems to predominate.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Alan Johnson speaking complete and utter sense on the drug issue on this week, heartily agree with every word

    David Cameron's old speechwriter spinning the PB line
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    It was most amusing that those who didn't like me winning POTY wanting to re-run the poll using AV.

    I was happy for this to occur, as it just made those who didn't like the result look like vengeful losers. We all know what a toughly contested fight it was pressing F5 and OGH having to remove naughty multiple votes.

    IIRC OGH noted that his servers were very busy during that vote. Love or hate me - it got traction.

    AndyJS said:

    Plato said:

    I de-lurked during the first AV threads - what a nerdy place PB was then. Not just a private club of insiders, but ones who talked another language.

    IIRC my first post was met with a snidey remark about my screen name. Hence my mission to use Mr et al courtesy and welcoming newbies.

    I really do hope Labour win the South Yorkshire Police Commissioner by-election.

    If Labour lose it, then they might ditch Ed.

    Damnit, I should have given Lab my second pref.

    muppet - we also need UKIP to lose some of the narrative of their 'roll' they are on.... where can I bet on the tory's winning Rochester in the GE even if the pig dog does cling on for a few more squalid months.
    If only this election had been conducted under AV.
    Would we be able to have a thread, reimagining Rochester under AV? That will be a cracker.
    AV - what is this concept?? I think we need say 120 threads on it please.

    AV of course will also be a further hit to Poch's Spurs job too.
    How did you vote on AV, IYDMMA?
    If the AV vote were to be re-held now, do PBers reckon it would get the same result?
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited October 2014

    As Sunder Katwala observes: The SNP last held balance of power in the Commons in deciding the 1979 no confidence vote against Jim Callaghan, ushering in Thatcher era

    Vote SNP, get Dave!

    I thought it was Frank McManus (Republican from Fermanagh & S Tyrone) abstaining that caused Callaghan to lose the vote?
    In a one vote loss there are many ways of skinning the cat - but the SNP got the ball rolling by tabling the first motion of no confidence and their 11 votes against the government were pretty decisive:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_vote_of_no_confidence_in_the_government_of_James_Callaghan
    Gerry Fitt?
    Alfred Broughton?
    Jack Weatherill?
    Walter Harrison?
  • RodCrosby said:

    As Sunder Katwala observes: The SNP last held balance of power in the Commons in deciding the 1979 no confidence vote against Jim Callaghan, ushering in Thatcher era

    Vote SNP, get Dave!

    I thought it was Frank McManus (Republican from Fermanagh & S Tyrone) abstaining that caused Callaghan to lose the vote?
    In a one vote loss there are many ways of skinning the cat - but the SNP got the ball rolling by tabling the first motion of no confidence and their 11 votes against the government were pretty decisive:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_vote_of_no_confidence_in_the_government_of_James_Callaghan
    Gerry Fitt?
    Alfred Broughton?
    Jack Weatherill?
    Walter Harrison?
    Gerry Fitt
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Newcastle under lyme is unlikely to go ukip.

    The Greens would have half a chance there, if they could be bothered to get their act together.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited October 2014
    I was here in about 2007/8 IIRC as a lurker/soonish poster - it was definitely during the AV debate that I came out - it was long before the official one from memory.

    EDIT - I did a lot of blogging in about 2007/8 and sure I mentioned it/Derek Draper at the time. I do miss him.

    TBH, my memory has gone from photographic to sometimes so have an internal stop-clock.

    Plato said:

    I voted No. I thought AV was a crap system and its advocates mendacious rather too often.

    FPTP isn't perfect - but it's clear.

    EDIT - you can ask me anything. I have no shame or quarms.

    AndyJS said:

    Plato said:

    I de-lurked during the first AV threads - what a nerdy place PB was then. Not just a private club of insiders, but ones who talked another language.

    IIRC my first post was met with a snidey remark about my screen name. Hence my mission to use Mr et al courtesy and welcoming newbies.

    I really do hope Labour win the South Yorkshire Police Commissioner by-election.

    If Labour lose it, then they might ditch Ed.

    Damnit, I should have given Lab my second pref.

    muppet - we also need UKIP to lose some of the narrative of their 'roll' they are on.... where can I bet on the tory's winning Rochester in the GE even if the pig dog does cling on for a few more squalid months.
    If only this election had been conducted under AV.
    Would we be able to have a thread, reimagining Rochester under AV? That will be a cracker.
    AV - what is this concept?? I think we need say 120 threads on it please.

    AV of course will also be a further hit to Poch's Spurs job too.
    How did you vote on AV, IYDMMA?
    Could have sworn you were on PB long before the AV vote. Anyway, I voted NO too, but only because STV wasn't an option :)
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    I love the fact that Blair says reducing immigration - at all - would be 'a disaster'. This is the guy that plunged us into the Iraq catastrophe and would have had us join the Euro. The man's got the worst judgment in recent UK political history, but still has the nerve to lecture others. Every time a private school boy like Blair or Umunna sneer at those that want to reduce immigration, it just makes me want to get more involved in UKIP.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,376
    isam said:

    Alan Johnson speaking complete and utter sense on the drug issue on this week, heartily agree with every word

    David Cameron's old speechwriter spinning the PB line

    That was strange.

    "Tim" would have been in complete agreement with the beached porpoise's multi-millionaire, bohemian, druggy mate and in total disagreement with his hero Alan Johnson...


  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Pong said:

    Newcastle under lyme is unlikely to go ukip.

    The Greens would have half a chance there, if they could be bothered to get their act together.

    Are the greens standing? They didn't last time

    Ukip quite short 11/2 2f
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    edited October 2014
    isam said:

    Pong said:

    Newcastle under lyme is unlikely to go ukip.

    The Greens would have half a chance there, if they could be bothered to get their act together.

    Are the greens standing? They didn't last time

    Ukip quite short 11/2 2f
    I just don't see Stoke and surrounds as a Green sort of place! The Greens do well in hipster, middle class university towns like Brighton, yes, but Stoke?!

    I'd say it was far more likely to be UKIP territory, and Newcastle Under is the likeliest as it has the element of having a traditionally bigger Tory vote (than Stoke proper) for UKIP to draw on and meld with WWC support.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    GIN1138 said:

    isam said:

    Alan Johnson speaking complete and utter sense on the drug issue on this week, heartily agree with every word

    David Cameron's old speechwriter spinning the PB line

    That was strange.

    "Tim" would have been in complete agreement with the beached porpoise's multi-millionaire, bohemian, druggy mate and in total disagreement with his hero Alan Johnson...


    Indeed

    What a load of rot birrell spoke... Must have been reading PB earlier
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    It's 4 days until the election.

    There is a brewing scandal in Georgia about 40,000 unprocessed voter registration forms, and the US Senate election is on a knife edge.

    My wife became a US citizen on 9/22 this year.

    The League of Women Voters were at the citizenship ceremony (as was the mayor of Morrow who won election by a single vote) and they signed her up.

    I checked the Georgia Secretary of State website and she was put on the electoral roll on 9/26.

    Moral - don't mess with the League of Women Voters!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Truly we are in a world of 6 party politics.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Well another momentously bad day for Ed.

    I suspect tommorow won't be much better
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Pulpstar said:

    Truly we are in a world of 6 party politics.

    Maybe we'll be like Denmark soon where the winning party gets around 25%.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited October 2014
    According to the PBTories, only loonie lefties think the deficit is unimportant.

    And yet, according to that arch-commie Tim Montgomerie:
    I asked a Conservative MP to estimate how many letters she received from voters complaining about missed deficit targets. She narrowed her eyes and looked heavenwards for some kind of answer. “Not sure. Can’t remember any if I’m honest but I’m sure I must have had one or two.”

    “OK,” I said, “and what about letters protesting about cuts to benefits, or to local libraries?”

    At this point her eyes widened. The hands rather than the head pointed upwards. “Loads and loads,” she replied. The immediate electoral cost of making spending cuts is simply much, much greater than the cost of failing to eliminate the deficit.
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article4253113.ece
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    edited October 2014
    Only one of my lads got into the Harry Potter books, the other two just waited for the films to come out as they much preferred factual books based around their particular interests. But those Alex Rider books that Horowitz penned had all three of them nagging me to make sure they got a copy the day they were published! :) I would have Horowitz on BBC QuestionTime every week if it were possible, by far one of the strongest non political guests that appears occasionally. And he is far better than most of the 'journalists' who appear on the show, and who get paid to write about their opinions on politics and the issues of the day facing the UK!

    Did you catch my earlier reply to a post you put up on the previous thread about a certain 'newly wed charmer' who may no longer be a fan of Obama? I have suspected for months that he is now seriously looking to enter US politics?
    HYUFD said:

    Fitalass Indeed, the Alex Rider films with Alex Pettyfer were also hugely successful. my father recently told me his mother knew the Horowitz family and he went on several holidays with them and even when younger he was an interesting guy

    That was yet another appalling bad decision by Nick Clegg, and on his own doorstep, especially at a time when he can ill afford to ignore any chance to campaign to get the Libdem vote out!

    AndyJS said:

    Alan Johnson on BBC: Nick Clegg didn't even bother voting in the PCC election.

    Not sure how he would know that information. Clegg may have voted by post, for example.
    Cause he or his spokesman said so the other day.

    He said as there would be no Lib Dem candidate in the election he would not be voting.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    ~Plato, like the Conservatives Mrs Thatcher, you were the successful PB Marmite candidate. :)
    Plato said:

    It was most amusing that those who didn't like me winning POTY wanting to re-run the poll using AV.

    I was happy for this to occur, as it just made those who didn't like the result look like vengeful losers. We all know what a toughly contested fight it was pressing F5 and OGH having to remove naughty multiple votes.

    IIRC OGH noted that his servers were very busy during that vote. Love or hate me - it got traction.

    AndyJS said:

    Plato said:

    I de-lurked during the first AV threads - what a nerdy place PB was then. Not just a private club of insiders, but ones who talked another language.

    IIRC my first post was met with a snidey remark about my screen name. Hence my mission to use Mr et al courtesy and welcoming newbies.

    I really do hope Labour win the South Yorkshire Police Commissioner by-election.

    If Labour lose it, then they might ditch Ed.

    Damnit, I should have given Lab my second pref.

    muppet - we also need UKIP to lose some of the narrative of their 'roll' they are on.... where can I bet on the tory's winning Rochester in the GE even if the pig dog does cling on for a few more squalid months.
    If only this election had been conducted under AV.
    Would we be able to have a thread, reimagining Rochester under AV? That will be a cracker.
    AV - what is this concept?? I think we need say 120 threads on it please.

    AV of course will also be a further hit to Poch's Spurs job too.
    How did you vote on AV, IYDMMA?
    If the AV vote were to be re-held now, do PBers reckon it would get the same result?
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    isam said:



    I just don't see Stoke and surrounds as a Green sort of place! The Greens do well in hipster, middle class university towns like Brighton, yes, but Stoke?!

    Not Stoke, Newcastle - which includes Keele University. It's the sort of place where the LD vote goes green if it has the chance.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Pong said:

    Newcastle under lyme is unlikely to go ukip.

    The Greens would have half a chance there, if they could be bothered to get their act together.

    Back in the days when Rod used to insist that UKIP wouldn't possibly win any MPs because their vote was too evenly distributed, I picked out Newcastle under Lyme as a possible UKIP target because it was then one of the few places where they had more than one councillor - though I think they then shortly lost one to resignation or something.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    edited October 2014

    For all those who can't bear to sleep before finding out who 9% of the the Yorkshire electorate picked to run the fuzz (not me), the action-packed webiste is here:

    https://www.barnsley.gov.uk/services/council-and-democracy/councillors-democracy-and-elections/voting/current-elections

    Yeah, there's a line for the result. It's not available yet. Keep reloading!

    Doing the count tomorrow apparently. Maybe worth sending them a reminder in case they forget...
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    Pong said:

    isam said:



    I just don't see Stoke and surrounds as a Green sort of place! The Greens do well in hipster, middle class university towns like Brighton, yes, but Stoke?!

    Not Stoke, Newcastle - which includes Keele University. It's the sort of place where the LD vote goes green if it has the chance.
    I'd say Stoke South much more likely (I'm guessing it includes Meir, Longton, Weston Coyney?).

    They all had significant BNP support in the past IIRC. Presumably those protest/NOTB voters would likely go to UKIP rather than greens
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    Crossover?? I wasn't even on a plane this time.
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/saudiarabia/11196192/Must-we-dance-to-Saudi-tune-over-Muslim-Brotherhood.html

    Thought this was interesting/confirms my prejudices.

    Any of the resident middle east watchers disagree with the thrust of it?
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    edited October 2014
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,000

    As Sunder Katwala observes: The SNP last held balance of power in the Commons in deciding the 1979 no confidence vote against Jim Callaghan, ushering in Thatcher era

    Vote SNP, get Dave!

    I thought it was Frank McManus (Republican from Fermanagh & S Tyrone) abstaining that caused Callaghan to lose the vote?
    In a one vote loss there are many ways of skinning the cat - but the SNP got the ball rolling by tabling the first motion of no confidence and their 11 votes against the government were pretty decisive:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_vote_of_no_confidence_in_the_government_of_James_Callaghan
    Thatcher would not have committed the Tories to their own no confidence motion (which took precedence) without the backing of the 13 Liberals MPs.
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