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  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Could easy cash in on LAB most seats to be in profit either way.

    My hearts not in it thats why i am a rubbish gambler maybe.

    May well still reduce potential Gain/Loss a bit further though.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Have the "party of the working class" really got an Education Secretary who is the son of a Baron named Tristram having been to Eton?

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    edited October 2014

    Could easy cash in on LAB most seats to be in profit either way.

    My hearts not in it thats why i am a rubbish gambler maybe.

    May well still reduce potential Gain/Loss a bit further though.

    Reduce your loss from a grand on that bet at least - crikey oh riley :)

    Your heart shouldn't really be in any bets when it comes to political gambling I think. Your head should ^_~
  • What ever happened to Labour's campaign to remove Lord Freud?

    I thought they were keeping on digging even after Question Time....

    Soon Labour will realise it is in their interest to campaign to remove Ed Miliband.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,954
    Neil said:

    glw said:


    Thank God for Ed Miliband, without him the Tories wouldn't have a chance.

    You really think David Miliband or Ed Balls would be on the cusp of victory right now?

    I don't rate any of them, but Ed has proven to be remarkably poor at the job. For a man who boasts about his intellectual self-confidence he has very little of interest to say.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    chestnut said:

    Have the "party of the working class" really got an Education Secretary who is the son of a Baron named Tristram having been to Eton?

    @MrHarryCole: One thing that unites both Lucas and oPatz? They're both looking at T Hunt and thinking what the hell is going on with this guy.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I love The Times, it's better value than Private Eye [which I also sub to] for content and Brooke's cartoons alone.
    Scott_P said:

    Labour faces near wipeout in Scotland next May in a setback that could cost Ed Miliband the general election, according to a new poll for The Times.

    Mr Miliband’s personal ratings have also plunged since the referendum seven weeks ago, the YouGov poll of Scottish voters has found. Only 15 per cent trust him, down from 25 per cent on the eve of the independence vote. Labour supporters are more likely to distrust him.
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4253393.ece

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB

    LAB HOLD Ironbridge Gorge on Telford & Wrekin
    LAB 325
    CON 276
    UKIP 136

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    In Hugh's head.

    Will Hugh and the rest of the PB Kinnocks still be posting in June, or will they "pull a Dickson"?
  • TSE

    True but you then have to hope you get them right and that UNS applies. You get into a tricky scenario where you have to apply regional trends (eg Lab strong in London etc etc) to make money.

    I am happy to back CMS at longer than even money as if I am wrong Labour win anyway.
  • Plato said:

    All joshing aside, I wonder what Labourites are now thinking. If this was applied to the Tories in shire counties - I'd be thunderstruck.

    Scott_P said:

    @olyduff: Labour facing wipeout in Scottish heartlands http://t.co/aOaL6KpzVz

    I'm driven mostly by the markets. I have taken Tory Most Seats, as it is clearly value at longer than evens. What price would you need to back it?
    The last value bet on here was NOT the usual suspects saying how there was value in backing the Blues at circa 4-1 in Rochester.... worst confirmation bias I could have needed to see me bulk up on it.....

    Doh!!! Curse that hound dog pig traitor.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    glw said:

    Neil said:

    glw said:


    Thank God for Ed Miliband, without him the Tories wouldn't have a chance.

    You really think David Miliband or Ed Balls would be on the cusp of victory right now?

    I don't rate any of them, but Ed has proven to be remarkably poor at the job. For a man who boasts about his intellectual self-confidence he has very little of interest to say.
    His real problem is, if you were to be charitable towards him, that even if he has saved all his announcements until the last 6 months, the narrative is so set against him that any policy will be rubbished, from free owls to deficit reduction. He is no longer seen as a serious contender by too many.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Could easy cash in on LAB most seats to be in profit either way.

    My hearts not in it thats why i am a rubbish gambler maybe.

    May well still reduce potential Gain/Loss a bit further though.

    Reduce your loss from a grand on that bet at least - crikey oh riley :)

    Your heart shouldn't really be in any bets when it comes to political gambling I think. Your head should ^_~
    Indeed. My problem is I have a bias in backing outcomes I don't want. But betting bias is bias, whichever way it plays, it ain't good.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    And parachuted into Stoke.

    It makes the member for St Helen's and his butler look normal.
    chestnut said:

    Have the "party of the working class" really got an Education Secretary who is the son of a Baron named Tristram having been to Eton?

  • Plato said:

    All joshing aside, I wonder what Labourites are now thinking. If this was applied to the Tories in shire counties - I'd be thunderstruck.

    Scott_P said:

    @olyduff: Labour facing wipeout in Scottish heartlands http://t.co/aOaL6KpzVz

    I'm driven mostly by the markets. I have taken Tory Most Seats, as it is clearly value at longer than evens. What price would you need to back it?
    The last value bet on here was NOT the usual suspects saying how there was value in backing the Blues at circa 4-1 in Rochester.... worst confirmation bias I could have needed to see me bulk up on it.....

    Doh!!! Curse that hound dog pig traitor.
    That was possibly me. I took backed the Tories at 4-1 - which now rates as my worst ever bet!! :)
  • Scott_P said:

    Hugh said:

    Big fan of the white poppy

    @OliverKamm: White poppy created by Peace Pledge Union in 1930s, whose chair (Canon Stuart Morris) was member of pro-Nazi org.
    Ouch-tastic!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,960
    edited October 2014

    Could easy cash in on LAB most seats to be in profit either way.

    My hearts not in it thats why i am a rubbish gambler maybe.

    May well still reduce potential Gain/Loss a bit further though.

    Always bet on your side losing.

    So when they do lose, you have winnings to drown your sorrows.

    Well if they do win, then you're chuffed to buggery and the money is irrelevant.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Could easy cash in on LAB most seats to be in profit either way.

    My hearts not in it thats why i am a rubbish gambler maybe.

    May well still reduce potential Gain/Loss a bit further though.

    Reduce your loss from a grand on that bet at least - crikey oh riley :)

    Your heart shouldn't really be in any bets when it comes to political gambling I think. Your head should ^_~
    Indeed. My problem is I have a bias in backing outcomes I don't want. But betting bias is bias, whichever way it plays, it ain't good.
    I never back on the outcome of a Chelsea match for that reason.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    philiph said:

    the narrative is so set against him

    What was the phrase?

    The blank sheet of paper has become the vacant stare...?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Was already down to about £880 worst case.

    But 10/11 and 11/8 should really be a no brainer shouldnt it.

    Win/Win i suppose Just taken a bit of the 2.36 now worst case less than £700

    Probably down to 2.1 in next few days
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited October 2014

    Plato said:

    All joshing aside, I wonder what Labourites are now thinking. If this was applied to the Tories in shire counties - I'd be thunderstruck.

    Scott_P said:

    @olyduff: Labour facing wipeout in Scottish heartlands http://t.co/aOaL6KpzVz

    I'm driven mostly by the markets. I have taken Tory Most Seats, as it is clearly value at longer than evens. What price would you need to back it?
    The last value bet on here was NOT the usual suspects saying how there was value in backing the Blues at circa 4-1 in Rochester.... worst confirmation bias I could have needed to see me bulk up on it.....

    Doh!!! Curse that hound dog pig traitor.
    That was possibly me. I took backed the Tories at 4-1 - which now rates as my worst ever bet!! :)
    You aren't a Spurs fan/victim are you too....
  • I really do hope Labour win the South Yorkshire Police Commissioner by-election.

    If Labour lose it, then they might ditch Ed.

    Damnit, I should have given Lab my second pref.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Could easy cash in on LAB most seats to be in profit either way.

    My hearts not in it thats why i am a rubbish gambler maybe.

    May well still reduce potential Gain/Loss a bit further though.

    Reduce your loss from a grand on that bet at least - crikey oh riley :)

    Your heart shouldn't really be in any bets when it comes to political gambling I think. Your head should ^_~
    Indeed. My problem is I have a bias in backing outcomes I don't want. But betting bias is bias, whichever way it plays, it ain't good.
    I never back on the outcome of a Chelsea match for that reason.
    Very wise Nigel. I have lost lots on money in tournaments betting on England not to qualify although that said I won last time taking Uruguay for the win. It felt no better at all, England losing.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    chestnut said:

    Have the "party of the working class" really got an Education Secretary who is the son of a Baron named Tristram having been to Eton?

    Thats The Hon. Dr Tristram Julian William Hunt FRHistS MP to you......and not that it should matter where his parents decided to educate him (tho it seems to excite some on the left), but his Labour councillor father sent him to University College School....not Eton......
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    chestnut said:

    Have the "party of the working class" really got an Education Secretary who is the son of a Baron named Tristram having been to Eton?

    Tristam Hunt did not go to Eton. He went to University College School.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    If Labour lose it, then they might ditch Ed.

    Relax. Labour will spend the next 6 months briefing increasingly openly about why they should have ditched Ed without ever actually doing it.

    Again.
  • I really do hope Labour win the South Yorkshire Police Commissioner by-election.

    If Labour lose it, then they might ditch Ed.

    Damnit, I should have given Lab my second pref.

    muppet - we also need UKIP to lose some of the narrative of their 'roll' they are on.... where can I bet on the tory's winning Rochester in the GE even if the pig dog does cling on for a few more squalid months.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,534
    Plato said:

    I swear she dyes her own drab wardrobe using root vegetables. What is her allure? She puts me off being a lesbian.

    I think I'm in love with Caroline Lucas.

    Do you want to be one?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    Chestnut Hunt went to University College School, it is in the Eton Group but not Eton
  • Plato said:

    All joshing aside, I wonder what Labourites are now thinking. If this was applied to the Tories in shire counties - I'd be thunderstruck.

    Scott_P said:

    @olyduff: Labour facing wipeout in Scottish heartlands http://t.co/aOaL6KpzVz

    I'm driven mostly by the markets. I have taken Tory Most Seats, as it is clearly value at longer than evens. What price would you need to back it?
    The last value bet on here was NOT the usual suspects saying how there was value in backing the Blues at circa 4-1 in Rochester.... worst confirmation bias I could have needed to see me bulk up on it.....

    Doh!!! Curse that hound dog pig traitor.
    That was possibly me. I took backed the Tories at 4-1 - which now rates as my worst ever bet!! :)
    You aren't a Spurs fan/victim are you too....
    No. A big fan of another similarly underachieving club but I don't reveal biographical details on here, as much as I would like to. Too many oddballs about, sadly. (Your good self not in any way included in that)
  • HughHugh Posts: 955
    Scott_P said:

    If Labour lose it, then they might ditch Ed.

    Relax. Labour will spend the next 6 months briefing increasingly openly about why they should have ditched Ed without ever actually doing it.

    Again.
    Are you drunk? Or just over-excited?

    Just I've never seen so many original thoughts from you.

    From your own actual brain and everything! Well done!
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Scott_P said:

    Hugh said:

    Big fan of the white poppy

    @OliverKamm: White poppy created by Peace Pledge Union in 1930s, whose chair (Canon Stuart Morris) was member of pro-Nazi org.
    Ouch-tastic!
    Orwell summed them up well:

    "Since pacifists have more freedom of action in countries where traces of democracy survive, pacifism can act more effectively against democracy than for it. Objectively, the pacifist is pro-Nazi."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_Pledge_Union
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    I suppose pink on pink is offensive?

    Chris Bryant (@ChrisBryantMP)
    30/10/2014 17:52
    David Coburn, UKIP MEP, crafted his words to be as deliberately offensive as possible equating gays with nazis and calling them queens.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    I think if we take a poll of PBers at Dirty Dicks it will be significantly different to that taken at the Ilkley meet where we had 100% agreement on the next PM.

    4 months is a long time in Politics.
  • Hugh said:

    Scott_P said:

    If Labour lose it, then they might ditch Ed.

    Relax. Labour will spend the next 6 months briefing increasingly openly about why they should have ditched Ed without ever actually doing it.

    Again.
    Are you drunk? Or just over-excited?

    Just I've never seen so many original thoughts from you.

    From your own actual brain and everything! Well done!
    It is indeed a turn up for the books!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,960
    edited October 2014

    I think if we take a poll of PBers at Dirty Dicks it will be significantly different to that taken at the Ilkley meet where we had 100% agreement on the next PM.

    4 months is a long time in Politics.

    We just lulled you into a false sense of security in Ilkley.

    Like the Rebel Alliance at the Battle of Yavin

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    edited October 2014

    I think if we take a poll of PBers at Dirty Dicks it will be significantly different to that taken at the Ilkley meet where we had 100% agreement on the next PM.

    4 months is a long time in Politics.

    Most seats is a coin flip now. Ed may still yet be PM...

    I'[m not ruling anything in, or out.
  • I really do hope Labour win the South Yorkshire Police Commissioner by-election.

    If Labour lose it, then they might ditch Ed.

    Damnit, I should have given Lab my second pref.

    muppet - we also need UKIP to lose some of the narrative of their 'roll' they are on.... where can I bet on the tory's winning Rochester in the GE even if the pig dog does cling on for a few more squalid months.
    If only this election had been conducted under AV.
  • I am rather surprised at Labour's awful polling in Scotland. I wonder if Ed will come under vast pressure before Christmas. The Conservatives must be enjoying the time off.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    Thats The Hon. Dr Tristram Julian William Hunt FRHistS MP to you......and not that it should matter where his parents decided to educate him (tho it seems to excite some on the left), but his Labour councillor father sent him to University College School....not Eton......

    I could be wrong, but I seem to recall Cameron pointing out that they went to the same school.

  • Plato said:

    All joshing aside, I wonder what Labourites are now thinking. If this was applied to the Tories in shire counties - I'd be thunderstruck.

    Scott_P said:

    @olyduff: Labour facing wipeout in Scottish heartlands http://t.co/aOaL6KpzVz

    I'm driven mostly by the markets. I have taken Tory Most Seats, as it is clearly value at longer than evens. What price would you need to back it?
    The last value bet on here was NOT the usual suspects saying how there was value in backing the Blues at circa 4-1 in Rochester.... worst confirmation bias I could have needed to see me bulk up on it.....

    Doh!!! Curse that hound dog pig traitor.
    That was possibly me. I took backed the Tories at 4-1 - which now rates as my worst ever bet!! :)
    You aren't a Spurs fan/victim are you too....
    No. A big fan of another similarly underachieving club but I don't reveal biographical details on here, as much as I would like to. Too many oddballs about, sadly. (Your good self not in any way included in that)
    Hey, I'm a definite odd-ball.... how dare you.

    Who else bets on Rev Oswald from Bread and TBA Tory in Rochester just because I'm a tory at the 'wet' side of the team who wants turncoats vanquished even though their EU views always sat at odds to mine whilst in the same team.

    They are the KP's of the Tory party.... trouble inside, trouble outside but bottom line we're weaker versus the main enemy, the Aussies without them.
  • I really do hope Labour win the South Yorkshire Police Commissioner by-election.

    If Labour lose it, then they might ditch Ed.

    Damnit, I should have given Lab my second pref.

    muppet - we also need UKIP to lose some of the narrative of their 'roll' they are on.... where can I bet on the tory's winning Rochester in the GE even if the pig dog does cling on for a few more squalid months.
    If only this election had been conducted under AV.
    Would we be able to have a thread, reimagining Rochester under AV? That will be a cracker.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    Hugh said:

    Plato said:

    All joshing aside, I wonder what Labourites are now thinking. If this was applied to the Tories in shire counties - I'd be thunderstruck.

    Scott_P said:

    @olyduff: Labour facing wipeout in Scottish heartlands http://t.co/aOaL6KpzVz

    Don't you come across any Labour opinions when you're going about your wide political floating voter Tory member reading rounds?

    In short: we're worried. But laughing at over-excited ignorant Tories at the same time, because we understand what's happening.

    (always wrong, never learn)
    Like you understood that it was safe to make all those hilarious "crossover" jokes because it would never happen, and that ed's attack on lord Freud was a strategic masterstroke. LOL. It must be bloody embarrassing being you.

  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited October 2014

    I really do hope Labour win the South Yorkshire Police Commissioner by-election.

    If Labour lose it, then they might ditch Ed.

    Damnit, I should have given Lab my second pref.

    muppet - we also need UKIP to lose some of the narrative of their 'roll' they are on.... where can I bet on the tory's winning Rochester in the GE even if the pig dog does cling on for a few more squalid months.
    If only this election had been conducted under AV.
    Would we be able to have a thread, reimagining Rochester under AV? That will be a cracker.
    AV - what is this concept?? I think we need say 120 threads on it please.

    AV of course will also be a further hit to Poch's Spurs job too.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    chestnut said:

    Thats The Hon. Dr Tristram Julian William Hunt FRHistS MP to you......and not that it should matter where his parents decided to educate him (tho it seems to excite some on the left), but his Labour councillor father sent him to University College School....not Eton......

    I could be wrong, but I seem to recall Cameron pointing out that they went to the same school.

    "Tristram Hunt, their shadow education secretary, like me, had one of the best educations money can buy,"

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/04/tristram-hunt-condemns-david-cameron-low-rent-pr-man

    Rather funny article where Hunt condemns Cameron for personal abuse, then describes him as a 'low-rent PR man'.......
  • I really do hope Labour win the South Yorkshire Police Commissioner by-election.

    If Labour lose it, then they might ditch Ed.

    Damnit, I should have given Lab my second pref.

    muppet - we also need UKIP to lose some of the narrative of their 'roll' they are on.... where can I bet on the tory's winning Rochester in the GE even if the pig dog does cling on for a few more squalid months.
    If only this election had been conducted under AV.
    Would we be able to have a thread, reimagining Rochester under AV? That will be a cracker.
    AV - what is this concept?? I think we need say 120 threads on it please.
    Mike's planning to go on holiday next April and May, so I'll do a daily thread on electoral reform, and the merits of various electoral systems.
  • chestnut said:

    Have the "party of the working class" really got an Education Secretary who is the son of a Baron named Tristram having been to Eton?

    Tristam Hunt did not go to Eton. He went to University College School.
    "It may be inverted snobbishness but I don't want old style, Old Etonian Tories of the old school to succeed me and go back to the old complacent, consensus ways. John Major is someone who has fought his way up from the bottom and is far more in tune with the skilled and ambitious and worthwhile working classes than Douglas Hurd is."
    - Maggie Thatcher, November 1990.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Scott_P said:

    Hugh said:

    Big fan of the white poppy

    @OliverKamm: White poppy created by Peace Pledge Union in 1930s, whose chair (Canon Stuart Morris) was member of pro-Nazi org.
    Ouch-tastic!
    Orwell summed them up well:

    "Since pacifists have more freedom of action in countries where traces of democracy survive, pacifism can act more effectively against democracy than for it. Objectively, the pacifist is pro-Nazi."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_Pledge_Union
    Orwell was not always right. Being opposed to a war does not mean being pro enemy.

    So for example Nigel Farage opposing the British forces bombing Iraq does not make him an Islamist.

    Similarly being allied with Stalin did not make Churchill a Communist.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    edited October 2014
    Tristrum Hunt is a very strange man. People in Stoke will vote for anything wearing a red rosette, clearly.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    The most staggering part of the poll, is that 37% trust Gordon Brown ? I mean what? What precisely does Labour have to do to these people before that realise they are getting rivitted wrotten? Start a nuclear war .....what?? I mean seriously what?

    Red rosé Donkey country for sure

    DUEMA
    ABL
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited October 2014
    Phew, that must be a relief for Scottish Labour. Rather than the worrying 25 point swing against them since the last GE which IpsosMORI are reporting, YouGov report just a 19 point swing. With seven months to go, under Ed's inspirational leadership and with SLAB united and fighting-fit, they'll be cautiously optimistic, though of course not complacent.
  • isam said:

    I suppose pink on pink is offensive?

    Chris Bryant (@ChrisBryantMP)
    30/10/2014 17:52
    David Coburn, UKIP MEP, crafted his words to be as deliberately offensive as possible equating gays with nazis and calling them queens.

    Didn't the Nazis persecute gays?
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    Owen Paterson going to town on Lucas regarding wind.

    Not popular but true.
  • Owen Paterson going to town on Lucas regarding wind.

    Not popular but true.

    Virtually laughing in her face, good stuff.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    It might be better off to back the Tories not at most seats but in the individual seats markets.

    There's a few ricks there if the Tories are going to be the largest party.

    I can confirm that the individual seat markets are at present the way to go if you believe that the Conservatives will get most seats. I'll give more details in the next couple of days.

    However, it's much more complicated than it was in 2010 because of the multiple axes of British politics operating at present.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Scott_P said:

    Hugh said:

    Big fan of the white poppy

    @OliverKamm: White poppy created by Peace Pledge Union in 1930s, whose chair (Canon Stuart Morris) was member of pro-Nazi org.
    Ouch-tastic!
    Orwell summed them up well:

    "Since pacifists have more freedom of action in countries where traces of democracy survive, pacifism can act more effectively against democracy than for it. Objectively, the pacifist is pro-Nazi."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_Pledge_Union
    Orwell was not always right. Being opposed to a war does not mean being pro enemy.

    So for example Nigel Farage opposing the British forces bombing Iraq does not make him an Islamist.
    Nor has Nigel Farage suggested leaving Syria to the tender mercies of IS - as some Peace Pledge Union members did with Europe and the Nazis.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    As Sunder Katwala observes: The SNP last held balance of power in the Commons in deciding the 1979 no confidence vote against Jim Callaghan, ushering in Thatcher era

    Vote SNP, get Dave!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Whenever Hinkley nuclear power station is mentioned, I always think of Hinckley in Leicestershire :S
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited October 2014
    I'm 100% of the population
    Sean_F said:

    Plato said:

    I swear she dyes her own drab wardrobe using root vegetables. What is her allure? She puts me off being a lesbian.

    I think I'm in love with Caroline Lucas.

    Do you want to be one?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Scott_P said:

    Hugh said:

    Big fan of the white poppy

    @OliverKamm: White poppy created by Peace Pledge Union in 1930s, whose chair (Canon Stuart Morris) was member of pro-Nazi org.
    Ouch-tastic!
    Orwell summed them up well:

    "Since pacifists have more freedom of action in countries where traces of democracy survive, pacifism can act more effectively against democracy than for it. Objectively, the pacifist is pro-Nazi."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_Pledge_Union
    Orwell was not always right. Being opposed to a war does not mean being pro enemy.

    So for example Nigel Farage opposing the British forces bombing Iraq does not make him an Islamist.
    Nor has Nigel Farage suggested leaving Syria to the tender mercies of IS - as some Peace Pledge Union members did with Europe and the Nazis.
    Certainly in the 1930s there were some pro fascists in the PPU, but it was a diverse organisation where Christians and Socialists dominated.

    It is worth noting that in the 1930s a lot of people were not yet awake to the evil of nazism, but that would include the many in the SNP, Conservative party, Prince of Wales and the Daily Mail.

    The PPU thought that the root of Nazism was in the unreasonable Versaillies treaty of 1919.
  • antifrank said:

    It might be better off to back the Tories not at most seats but in the individual seats markets.

    There's a few ricks there if the Tories are going to be the largest party.

    I can confirm that the individual seat markets are at present the way to go if you believe that the Conservatives will get most seats. I'll give more details in the next couple of days.

    However, it's much more complicated than it was in 2010 because of the multiple axes of British politics operating at present.
    Tell me about it.

    I've also been thinking is there any potential for Con gains from Labour next year.
  • As Sunder Katwala observes: The SNP last held balance of power in the Commons in deciding the 1979 no confidence vote against Jim Callaghan, ushering in Thatcher era

    Vote SNP, get Dave!

    I thought it was Frank McManus (Republican from Fermanagh & S Tyrone) abstaining that caused Callaghan to lose the vote?
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    If that is true, then not only is Ed Miliband no gentleman, he isn't the bigger politician let alone a good Leader either!

    Iain Dale @IainDale
    @schofieldkevin Possibly he, er, forgot...

    Kevin Schofield @schofieldkevin
    Did Ed Miliband really not mention Johann Lamont once in his speech to the Scottish Labour gala dinner?

  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    Alan Johnson on BBC: Nick Clegg didn't even bother voting in the PCC election.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    antifrank said:

    It might be better off to back the Tories not at most seats but in the individual seats markets.

    There's a few ricks there if the Tories are going to be the largest party.

    I can confirm that the individual seat markets are at present the way to go if you believe that the Conservatives will get most seats. I'll give more details in the next couple of days.

    However, it's much more complicated than it was in 2010 because of the multiple axes of British politics operating at present.
    Tell me about it.

    I've also been thinking is there any potential for Con gains from Labour next year.
    Southampton Itchen?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Alan Johnson on BBC: Nick Clegg didn't even bother voting in the PCC election.

    Not sure how he would know that information. Clegg may have voted by post, for example.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564
    For all those who can't bear to sleep before finding out who 9% of the the Yorkshire electorate picked to run the fuzz (not me), the action-packed webiste is here:

    https://www.barnsley.gov.uk/services/council-and-democracy/councillors-democracy-and-elections/voting/current-elections

    Yeah, there's a line for the result. It's not available yet. Keep reloading!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    antifrank said:

    It might be better off to back the Tories not at most seats but in the individual seats markets.

    There's a few ricks there if the Tories are going to be the largest party.

    I can confirm that the individual seat markets are at present the way to go if you believe that the Conservatives will get most seats. I'll give more details in the next couple of days.

    However, it's much more complicated than it was in 2010 because of the multiple axes of British politics operating at present.
    Tell me about it.

    I've also been thinking is there any potential for Con gains from Labour next year.
    Southampton Itchen according to more than one constituency poll. I can't think of any others.
  • AndyJS said:

    Alan Johnson on BBC: Nick Clegg didn't even bother voting in the PCC election.

    Not sure how he would know that information. Clegg may have voted by post, for example.
    Cause he or his spokesman said so the other day.

    He said as there would be no Lib Dem candidate in the election he would not be voting.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Tristrum Hunt is a very strange man. People in Stoke will vote for anything wearing a red rosette, clearly.

    He polled just 12,600 votes, one of the lowest totals of any winning MP (excluding island constituencies).
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    Always been a big fan of Anthony Horowitz, he did more to get all three of my boys reading more books than JK Rowling managed! And he is always a great addition to any BBC QuestionTime panel, often even more on top of the issues of the day and the facts behind them than some of the politicians!
  • antifrank said:

    It might be better off to back the Tories not at most seats but in the individual seats markets.

    There's a few ricks there if the Tories are going to be the largest party.

    I can confirm that the individual seat markets are at present the way to go if you believe that the Conservatives will get most seats. I'll give more details in the next couple of days.

    However, it's much more complicated than it was in 2010 because of the multiple axes of British politics operating at present.
    Tell me about it.

    I've also been thinking is there any potential for Con gains from Labour next year.
    Southampton Itchen?
    My heart is Itchen for Rowena.

    But that is one of the seats I've backed
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I de-lurked during the first AV threads - what a nerdy place PB was then. Not just a private club of insiders, but ones who talked another language.

    IIRC my first post was met with a snidey remark about my screen name. Hence my mission to use Mr et al courtesy and welcoming newbies.

    I really do hope Labour win the South Yorkshire Police Commissioner by-election.

    If Labour lose it, then they might ditch Ed.

    Damnit, I should have given Lab my second pref.

    muppet - we also need UKIP to lose some of the narrative of their 'roll' they are on.... where can I bet on the tory's winning Rochester in the GE even if the pig dog does cling on for a few more squalid months.
    If only this election had been conducted under AV.
    Would we be able to have a thread, reimagining Rochester under AV? That will be a cracker.
    AV - what is this concept?? I think we need say 120 threads on it please.

    AV of course will also be a further hit to Poch's Spurs job too.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited October 2014
    In 1983, with Michael Foot as leader, Labour won 14 out of 15 constituencies in South Yorkshire. (Hallam was a Tory seat at the time).
  • As Sunder Katwala observes: The SNP last held balance of power in the Commons in deciding the 1979 no confidence vote against Jim Callaghan, ushering in Thatcher era

    Vote SNP, get Dave!

    I thought it was Frank McManus (Republican from Fermanagh & S Tyrone) abstaining that caused Callaghan to lose the vote?
    Sorry I meant Gerry Fitt in West Belfast!
  • AndyJS said:

    Tristrum Hunt is a very strange man. People in Stoke will vote for anything wearing a red rosette, clearly.

    He polled just 12,600 votes, one of the lowest totals of any winning MP (excluding island constituencies).
    Anyone want to bet he won't get that many next time?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    As Sunder Katwala observes: The SNP last held balance of power in the Commons in deciding the 1979 no confidence vote against Jim Callaghan, ushering in Thatcher era

    Vote SNP, get Dave!

    I thought it was Frank McManus (Republican from Fermanagh & S Tyrone) abstaining that caused Callaghan to lose the vote?
    In a one vote loss there are many ways of skinning the cat - but the SNP got the ball rolling by tabling the first motion of no confidence and their 11 votes against the government were pretty decisive:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_vote_of_no_confidence_in_the_government_of_James_Callaghan
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    AndyJS said:

    Tristrum Hunt is a very strange man. People in Stoke will vote for anything wearing a red rosette, clearly.

    He polled just 12,600 votes, one of the lowest totals of any winning MP (excluding island constituencies).
    He was rather famously parachuted in by Mandleson into a safe seat in place of a local councillor.

    There was quite a strong kipper and BNP vote in 2010, but hard to see him losing in anything other than a landslide against Labour.
  • FalseFlagFalseFlag Posts: 1,801

    Scott_P said:

    Hugh said:

    Big fan of the white poppy

    @OliverKamm: White poppy created by Peace Pledge Union in 1930s, whose chair (Canon Stuart Morris) was member of pro-Nazi org.
    Ouch-tastic!
    Orwell summed them up well:

    "Since pacifists have more freedom of action in countries where traces of democracy survive, pacifism can act more effectively against democracy than for it. Objectively, the pacifist is pro-Nazi."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_Pledge_Union
    Orwell was not always right. Being opposed to a war does not mean being pro enemy.

    So for example Nigel Farage opposing the British forces bombing Iraq does not make him an Islamist.
    Nor has Nigel Farage suggested leaving Syria to the tender mercies of IS - as some Peace Pledge Union members did with Europe and the Nazis.
    Certainly in the 1930s there were some pro fascists in the PPU, but it was a diverse organisation where Christians and Socialists dominated.

    It is worth noting that in the 1930s a lot of people were not yet awake to the evil of nazism, but that would include the many in the SNP, Conservative party, Prince of Wales and the Daily Mail.

    The PPU thought that the root of Nazism was in the unreasonable Versaillies treaty of 1919.
    The Communists had already killed many more than the Nazis ever did, in Bavaria, Hungary, Russia etc. and were rightly regarded as the greater evil.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited October 2014
    If anyone knows someone living in the UAE that understands betting and has time on their hands i need someone to help with some work at the Pakistan vs Australia cricket

    Few quid in it
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Plato said:

    I de-lurked during the first AV threads - what a nerdy place PB was then. Not just a private club of insiders, but ones who talked another language.

    IIRC my first post was met with a snidey remark about my screen name. Hence my mission to use Mr et al courtesy and welcoming newbies.

    I really do hope Labour win the South Yorkshire Police Commissioner by-election.

    If Labour lose it, then they might ditch Ed.

    Damnit, I should have given Lab my second pref.

    muppet - we also need UKIP to lose some of the narrative of their 'roll' they are on.... where can I bet on the tory's winning Rochester in the GE even if the pig dog does cling on for a few more squalid months.
    If only this election had been conducted under AV.
    Would we be able to have a thread, reimagining Rochester under AV? That will be a cracker.
    AV - what is this concept?? I think we need say 120 threads on it please.

    AV of course will also be a further hit to Poch's Spurs job too.
    How did you vote on AV, IYDMMA?
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Alan Johnson clearly getting angry with the drugs liberalisation rep on This week.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    Fitalass Indeed, the Alex Rider films with Alex Pettyfer were also hugely successful. my father recently told me his mother knew the Horowitz family and he went on several holidays with them and even when younger he was an interesting guy
  • As Sunder Katwala observes: The SNP last held balance of power in the Commons in deciding the 1979 no confidence vote against Jim Callaghan, ushering in Thatcher era

    Vote SNP, get Dave!

    I thought it was Frank McManus (Republican from Fermanagh & S Tyrone) abstaining that caused Callaghan to lose the vote?
    In a one vote loss there are many ways of skinning the cat - but the SNP got the ball rolling by tabling the first motion of no confidence and their 11 votes against the government were pretty decisive:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_vote_of_no_confidence_in_the_government_of_James_Callaghan
    As I mentioned below, sorry I meant Gerry Fitt from West Belfast.
    McManus lost his seat in 1974!
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    edited October 2014

    AndyJS said:

    Alan Johnson on BBC: Nick Clegg didn't even bother voting in the PCC election.

    Not sure how he would know that information. Clegg may have voted by post, for example.
    Cause he or his spokesman said so the other day.

    He said as there would be no Lib Dem candidate in the election he would not be voting.
    Just reeks of petty sour grapes to me: he and his party didn't want PCCs but now they exist he would do well to rise above past disagreements and get Lib Dems standing, for the good of democracy if nothing else. They are the Liberal Democrats aren't they?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    AndyJS said:

    Plato said:

    I de-lurked during the first AV threads - what a nerdy place PB was then. Not just a private club of insiders, but ones who talked another language.

    IIRC my first post was met with a snidey remark about my screen name. Hence my mission to use Mr et al courtesy and welcoming newbies.

    I really do hope Labour win the South Yorkshire Police Commissioner by-election.

    If Labour lose it, then they might ditch Ed.

    Damnit, I should have given Lab my second pref.

    muppet - we also need UKIP to lose some of the narrative of their 'roll' they are on.... where can I bet on the tory's winning Rochester in the GE even if the pig dog does cling on for a few more squalid months.
    If only this election had been conducted under AV.
    Would we be able to have a thread, reimagining Rochester under AV? That will be a cracker.
    AV - what is this concept?? I think we need say 120 threads on it please.

    AV of course will also be a further hit to Poch's Spurs job too.
    How did you vote on AV, IYDMMA?
    If the AV vote were to be re-held now, do PBers reckon it would get the same result?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    Tristrum Hunt is a very strange man. People in Stoke will vote for anything wearing a red rosette, clearly.

    He polled just 12,600 votes, one of the lowest totals of any winning MP (excluding island constituencies).
    He was rather famously parachuted in by Mandleson into a safe seat in place of a local councillor.

    There was quite a strong kipper and BNP vote in 2010, but hard to see him losing in anything other than a landslide against Labour.
    UKIP are an increasing threat to Labour in Stoke, although I think Stoke North is most likely to change hands since the MP there is retiring after 25 years.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917

    AndyJS said:

    Tristrum Hunt is a very strange man. People in Stoke will vote for anything wearing a red rosette, clearly.

    He polled just 12,600 votes, one of the lowest totals of any winning MP (excluding island constituencies).
    Anyone want to bet he won't get that many next time?
    What are UKIP's chances in Stoke? Might it be their kind of place?
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    It couldn't be any worse than that Ed Miliband appearance on Skynews I caught earlier tonight.
    dr_spyn said:

    alexmassie ‏@alexmassie 2m2 minutes ago
    Staggeringly* lacklustre and inadequate Ed Miliband speech in Glasgow tonight. *Entirely predictable. http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/10/ed-milibands-speech-scottish-labours-gala-dinner-full-text

    Yep, that awful interview by Ed Miliband on SkyNews has to be one of his worst outings yet on a news Channel. Not only was Ed Miliband smirking, he actually laughed when he talked about Scotland voting NO in the Indy Referendum. So glad that he found the result of a very tough two year debate about the future of Scotland and its people so amusing. That Miliband interview was so poor, it proved in spades why Scottish Labour need a far stronger Leader to make up for Miliband's failure to connect with their base up here. I suspect that Jim Murphy and nearly all Scottish Labour's MP's and MSP's now realise that fact only too well.
    RodCrosby said:

    dr_spyn said:

    alexmassie ‏@alexmassie 2m2 minutes ago
    Staggeringly* lacklustre and inadequate Ed Miliband speech in Glasgow tonight. *Entirely predictable. http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/10/ed-milibands-speech-scottish-labours-gala-dinner-full-text

    Just interviewed Miliband on Sky. He couldn't stop smirking for some bizarre reason...
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    Plato said:

    I de-lurked during the first AV threads - what a nerdy place PB was then. Not just a private club of insiders, but ones who talked another language.

    IIRC my first post was met with a snidey remark about my screen name. Hence my mission to use Mr et al courtesy and welcoming newbies.

    I really do hope Labour win the South Yorkshire Police Commissioner by-election.

    If Labour lose it, then they might ditch Ed.

    Damnit, I should have given Lab my second pref.

    muppet - we also need UKIP to lose some of the narrative of their 'roll' they are on.... where can I bet on the tory's winning Rochester in the GE even if the pig dog does cling on for a few more squalid months.
    If only this election had been conducted under AV.
    Would we be able to have a thread, reimagining Rochester under AV? That will be a cracker.
    AV - what is this concept?? I think we need say 120 threads on it please.

    AV of course will also be a further hit to Poch's Spurs job too.
    How did you vote on AV, IYDMMA?
    If the AV vote were to be re-held now, do PBers reckon it would get the same result?
    It would probably be an even bigger No, since people are grumpier now than they were in 2011.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    AndyJS said:

    Tristrum Hunt is a very strange man. People in Stoke will vote for anything wearing a red rosette, clearly.

    He polled just 12,600 votes, one of the lowest totals of any winning MP (excluding island constituencies).
    Anyone want to bet he won't get that many next time?
    What are UKIP's chances in Stoke? Might it be their kind of place?
    Stoke on Trent South is on my hitlist
  • A Labour win in 2015 is now but a mirage in the barren sands.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited October 2014
    I voted No. I thought AV was a crap system and its advocates mendacious rather too often.

    FPTP isn't perfect - but it's clear.

    EDIT - you can ask me anything. I have no shame or quarms.
    AndyJS said:

    Plato said:

    I de-lurked during the first AV threads - what a nerdy place PB was then. Not just a private club of insiders, but ones who talked another language.

    IIRC my first post was met with a snidey remark about my screen name. Hence my mission to use Mr et al courtesy and welcoming newbies.

    I really do hope Labour win the South Yorkshire Police Commissioner by-election.

    If Labour lose it, then they might ditch Ed.

    Damnit, I should have given Lab my second pref.

    muppet - we also need UKIP to lose some of the narrative of their 'roll' they are on.... where can I bet on the tory's winning Rochester in the GE even if the pig dog does cling on for a few more squalid months.
    If only this election had been conducted under AV.
    Would we be able to have a thread, reimagining Rochester under AV? That will be a cracker.
    AV - what is this concept?? I think we need say 120 threads on it please.

    AV of course will also be a further hit to Poch's Spurs job too.
    How did you vote on AV, IYDMMA?
  • fitalass said:

    It couldn't be any worse than that Ed Miliband appearance on Skynews I caught earlier tonight.

    dr_spyn said:

    alexmassie ‏@alexmassie 2m2 minutes ago
    Staggeringly* lacklustre and inadequate Ed Miliband speech in Glasgow tonight. *Entirely predictable. http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/10/ed-milibands-speech-scottish-labours-gala-dinner-full-text

    Yep, that awful interview by Ed Miliband on SkyNews has to be one of his worst outings yet on a news Channel. Not only was Ed Miliband smirking, he actually laughed when he talked about Scotland voting NO in the Indy Referendum. So glad that he found the result of a very tough two year debate about the future of Scotland and its people so amusing. That Miliband interview was so poor, it proved in spades why Scottish Labour need a far stronger Leader to make up for Miliband's failure to connect with their base up here. I suspect that Jim Murphy and nearly all Scottish Labour's MP's and MSP's now realise that fact only too well.
    RodCrosby said:

    dr_spyn said:

    alexmassie ‏@alexmassie 2m2 minutes ago
    Staggeringly* lacklustre and inadequate Ed Miliband speech in Glasgow tonight. *Entirely predictable. http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/10/ed-milibands-speech-scottish-labours-gala-dinner-full-text

    Just interviewed Miliband on Sky. He couldn't stop smirking for some bizarre reason...
    In the mystical East, they'd say it was because he's a twat.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    edited October 2014
    Plato said:

    I voted No. I thought AV was a crap system and its advocates mendacious rather too often.

    FPTP isn't perfect - but it's clear.

    EDIT - you can ask me anything. I have no shame or quarms.

    AndyJS said:

    Plato said:

    I de-lurked during the first AV threads - what a nerdy place PB was then. Not just a private club of insiders, but ones who talked another language.

    IIRC my first post was met with a snidey remark about my screen name. Hence my mission to use Mr et al courtesy and welcoming newbies.

    I really do hope Labour win the South Yorkshire Police Commissioner by-election.

    If Labour lose it, then they might ditch Ed.

    Damnit, I should have given Lab my second pref.

    muppet - we also need UKIP to lose some of the narrative of their 'roll' they are on.... where can I bet on the tory's winning Rochester in the GE even if the pig dog does cling on for a few more squalid months.
    If only this election had been conducted under AV.
    Would we be able to have a thread, reimagining Rochester under AV? That will be a cracker.
    AV - what is this concept?? I think we need say 120 threads on it please.

    AV of course will also be a further hit to Poch's Spurs job too.
    How did you vote on AV, IYDMMA?
    Could have sworn you were on PB long before the AV vote. Anyway, I voted NO too, but only because STV wasn't an option :)
  • isam said:

    If anyone knows someone living in the UAE that understands betting and has time on their hands i need someone to help with some work at the Pakistan vs Australia cricket

    Few quid in it

    I don't but I'm loving watching the Aussies getting trashed. The only Aussies that haven't bowled this innings are Brad Haddin and the openers.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    isam said:

    AndyJS said:

    Tristrum Hunt is a very strange man. People in Stoke will vote for anything wearing a red rosette, clearly.

    He polled just 12,600 votes, one of the lowest totals of any winning MP (excluding island constituencies).
    Anyone want to bet he won't get that many next time?
    What are UKIP's chances in Stoke? Might it be their kind of place?
    Stoke on Trent South is on my hitlist
    Newcastle-under-Lyme, too.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    I actually feel sorry for Miliband sometimes. He's a nice guy and he's clearly trying to learn social skills and body language to come over as strong/normal. But he's just got so far to go. And, on top of that, he's just not got the intellect to be a great thinker or the right instincts to be a leader of men. What's particularly sad is that he is bright enough to know that he's out of his depth but is trying to put a brave face on it.
    fitalass said:

    It couldn't be any worse than that Ed Miliband appearance on Skynews I caught earlier tonight.

    dr_spyn said:

    alexmassie ‏@alexmassie 2m2 minutes ago
    Staggeringly* lacklustre and inadequate Ed Miliband speech in Glasgow tonight. *Entirely predictable. http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/10/ed-milibands-speech-scottish-labours-gala-dinner-full-text

    Yep, that awful interview by Ed Miliband on SkyNews has to be one of his worst outings yet on a news Channel. Not only was Ed Miliband smirking, he actually laughed when he talked about Scotland voting NO in the Indy Referendum. So glad that he found the result of a very tough two year debate about the future of Scotland and its people so amusing. That Miliband interview was so poor, it proved in spades why Scottish Labour need a far stronger Leader to make up for Miliband's failure to connect with their base up here. I suspect that Jim Murphy and nearly all Scottish Labour's MP's and MSP's now realise that fact only too well.
    RodCrosby said:

    dr_spyn said:

    alexmassie ‏@alexmassie 2m2 minutes ago
    Staggeringly* lacklustre and inadequate Ed Miliband speech in Glasgow tonight. *Entirely predictable. http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/10/ed-milibands-speech-scottish-labours-gala-dinner-full-text

    Just interviewed Miliband on Sky. He couldn't stop smirking for some bizarre reason...
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    AndyJS said:

    Tristrum Hunt is a very strange man. People in Stoke will vote for anything wearing a red rosette, clearly.

    He polled just 12,600 votes, one of the lowest totals of any winning MP (excluding island constituencies).
    Anyone want to bet he won't get that many next time?
    What are UKIP's chances in Stoke? Might it be their kind of place?
    Stoke on Trent South is on my hitlist
    Newcastle-under-Lyme, too.
    Yes that is also on my hitlist
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