You are not the target audience fitalass. Its aimed at the WWC vote where it is going to be seen as the PC liberal establishment trying to close down debate on immigration, and bullying the underdog, I would be highly surprised if this does not win UKIP more votes that is loses. At their stage in the game almost any publicity is good publicity, and anything which looks like the liberal establishment getting po-faced with people speaking out is going to win them votes.
Word to the wise... It really might be all those 'Grumpy old Tory Men' buggering off to UKIP which is most helping Dave the Tories with their detox strategy when it comes to more risk averse female voters focussed on the issue of the economy rather than charmless Farage and all things UKIP, Farage and totally unPC...
probably all those tory men buggering off to UKIP has helped Dave's much vaunted woman problem no end
Sorry, but that comment just highlights why this Reid ditty was such bad politics for UKIP. It wasn't about the PC establishment trying to close down any debate on immigration or bullying any underdog. UKIP's opponents didn't need to do a thing, this anti political/immigration ditty was so bad it consigned itself to the era of the 70's when it came to unPC bad taste!! And that is why Mike Reid has now withdrawn the song and apologised for 'unintentionally causing offence'.
You are not the target audience fitalass. Its aimed at the WWC vote where it is going to be seen as the PC liberal establishment trying to close down debate on immigration, and bullying the underdog, I would be highly surprised if this does not win UKIP more votes that is loses. At their stage in the game almost any publicity is good publicity, and anything which looks like the liberal establishment getting po-faced with people speaking out is going to win them votes.
YouGov for The Times, slights at odds with yesterdays findings...
Imagine David Cameron could not secure any renegotiation of Britain's relationship with the European Union, and the referendum was held on Britain's relationship with the European Union as it is now. How would you then vote?
42% Leave, 36% Remain, 6% Wont Vote, 16% Dont Know
Word to the wise... It really might be all those 'Grumpy old Tory Men' buggering off to UKIP which is most helping Dave the Tories with their detox strategy when it comes to more risk averse female voters focussed on the issue of the economy rather than charmless Farage and all things UKIP, Farage and totally unPC...
probably all those tory men buggering off to UKIP has helped Dave's much vaunted woman problem no end
Sorry, but that comment just highlights why this Reid ditty was such bad politics for UKIP. It wasn't about the PC establishment trying to close down any debate on immigration or bullying any underdog. UKIP's opponents didn't need to do a thing, this anti political/immigration ditty was so bad it consigned itself to the era of the 70's when it came to unPC bad taste!! And that is why Mike Reid has now withdrawn the song and apologised for 'unintentionally causing offence'.
sorry I should have added A ":)" to that.
God only knows what Mike Read was thinking... (actually that BBC sponspored beach boys travesty was almost as embarrassing)
YouGov for The Times, slights at odds with yesterdays findings...
Imagine David Cameron could not secure any renegotiation of Britain's relationship with the European Union, and the referendum was held on Britain's relationship with the European Union as it is now. How would you then vote?
42% Leave, 36% Remain, 6% Wont Vote, 16% Dont Know
YouGov for The Times, slights at odds with yesterdays findings...
Imagine David Cameron could not secure any renegotiation of Britain's relationship with the European Union, and the referendum was held on Britain's relationship with the European Union as it is now. How would you then vote?
42% Leave, 36% Remain, 6% Wont Vote, 16% Dont Know
Not sure this is a good question. He'll surely secure something or other which he will claim is a renegotiation even if it is basically meaningless
Agreed. The key question is could he sucker the public into believing his figleaf is actually a meaningful change, possibly... although a few UKIP MPs in parliament will make that heavy going.
YouGov polled "major, modest, none", so you get middle-option bias harming "none", because it feels extreme. In practice the straight "in or out" polling is probably more reliable than this. The voters will be thinking about the main question not the renegotiation, and in any case the renegotiation will be inconclusive (none to modest, but presented as major).
YouGov polled "major, modest, none", so you get middle-option bias harming "none", because it feels extreme. In practice the straight "in or out" polling is probably more reliable than this. The voters will be thinking about the main question not the renegotiation, and in any case the renegotiation will be inconclusive (none to modest, but presented as major).
Agreed, but it never seems to be put that simply. If you look at yesterdays poll for example, there is stay in, stay in as a trading block, or get out. The "stay in as a trading block" option isn't going to be on the table, but it allows people to claim a majority want to stay in, where as it would be more intellectually honest to say "the majority want to say in given an impossible set of preconditions occur".
If a pollster asked people to chose "stay in", "stay in with a million pound free hand out to everyone", or "get out" and then said "the majority want to stay in" it would be just as honest.
Mr Juncker said: "I am not prepared to change [freedom of movement]. If we are destroying the freedom of movement other freedoms will fall. I am not willing to compromise."
YouGov polled "major, modest, none", so you get middle-option bias harming "none", because it feels extreme. In practice the straight "in or out" polling is probably more reliable than this. The voters will be thinking about the main question not the renegotiation, and in any case the renegotiation will be inconclusive (none to modest, but presented as major).
Agreed, but it never seems to be put that simply. If you look at yesterdays poll for example, there is stay in, stay in as a trading block, or get out. The "stay in as a trading block" option isn't going to be on the table, but it allows people to claim a majority want to stay in, where as it would be more intellectually honest to say "the majority want to say in given an impossible set of preconditions occur".
If a pollster asked people to chose "stay in", "stay in with a million pound free hand out to everyone", or "get out" and then said "the majority want to stay in" it would be just as honest.
The Mori poll starts with a straight "Stay in or get out" question before they start probing other possible options. That's the right way to do it IMHO.
UKIP call it the Liblabcon. It's soon to be the kiplabcon. UKIP makes no mention of Common Purpose, chemtrails, fracking, depopulation, the NWO and so on. UKIP's merely more of the same sell-out to global power in the hands of a tiny cabal. The EU's only one of the devices of human serfdom. Opposing only one head of the hydra is pointless. Yet Farage makes it sound like a lovely taste of freedom is only inches away. Freemason. Friend of Israel. City Of London in his bones. UKIP might make great waves, but there will be no change, just more illusion from another conjuror.
UKIP call it the Liblabcon. It's soon to be the kiplabcon. UKIP makes no mention of Common Purpose, chemtrails, fracking, depopulation, the NWO and so on. UKIP's merely more of the same sell-out to global power in the hands of a tiny cabal. The EU's only one of the devices of human serfdom. Opposing only one head of the hydra is pointless. Yet Farage makes it sound like a lovely taste of freedom is only inches away. Freemason. Friend of Israel. City Of London in his bones. UKIP might make great waves, but there will be no change, just more illusion from another conjuror.
Far Right / racist / scapegoating politics does lend itself to reactionary thickos though, let's be honest.
It takes a bit more brainpower to work out that muslimzzz and immgrunts might not, after all, be the cause of all your problems in life.
Welcome back where have you been?
Find PB really dull when it's just endless far right trolls from UKIP spitting their unpleasant little memes about race and immigration and whatnot. Don't know where they've all come from, PB is sadly infested with them, gives the place a very nasty tone.
Far Right / racist / scapegoating politics does lend itself to reactionary thickos though, let's be honest.
It takes a bit more brainpower to work out that muslimzzz and immgrunts might not, after all, be the cause of all your problems in life.
Welcome back where have you been?
Find PB really dull when it's just endless far right trolls from UKIP spitting their unpleasant little memes about race and immigration and whatnot. Don't know where they've all come from, PB is sadly infested with them, gives the place a very nasty tone.
Reality is difficult for people with BBS
Are they really far right trolls, or people coming online to make UKIP supporters look bad? I am a UKIP supporter but I have plenty of foreign friends and colleagues. Of course immigration is my absolute concern, mainly because I am against urban sprawl and the pressures placed upon England, particularly the SE. Also, I feel a country has the right to define itself (peacefully of course). Human nature dictates why immigration should be selective and why it is the only way to make sure the public have faith in the process.
I have been to many UKIP meetings and it is far from xenophobic. They really are just ordinary people. The problem is, with the internet it can amplify alot of things, and many people can pretend to be something they are not because it is so easy to type. I do not believe all these unpleasant 'cyber kippers' are what they say they are.
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Imagine David Cameron could not secure any renegotiation of Britain's relationship with the European Union, and the referendum was held on Britain's relationship with the European Union as it is now. How would you then vote?
42% Leave, 36% Remain, 6% Wont Vote, 16% Dont Know
http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/xi7ec8pg93/RedBoxResults_141021_EU_membership.pdf
God only knows what Mike Read was thinking... (actually that BBC sponspored beach boys travesty was almost as embarrassing)
tl;dr: No
If a pollster asked people to chose "stay in", "stay in with a million pound free hand out to everyone", or "get out" and then said "the majority want to stay in" it would be just as honest.
So that's working out well then.
40% of Tory vote
39% of Lib Dem vote
31% of Labour vote
Tories actually winning among ABC1.
UKIP hoovering up C2DE.
25% of Lib Dem to Tory, just 18% to Labour.
I have been to many UKIP meetings and it is far from xenophobic. They really are just ordinary people. The problem is, with the internet it can amplify alot of things, and many people can pretend to be something they are not because it is so easy to type. I do not believe all these unpleasant 'cyber kippers' are what they say they are.