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  • isam said:

    isam said:

    And so it has happened.. political nerdyness has overtaken love of football

    Lifelong Arsenal supporter, I had to work on the Liverpool match for the first 70 mins.. switched over to the Arsenal only to see us go 1-0 down... been reading PB and only just saw we won 2-1

    Happy days!

    Have you gone above West Ham? We were 4th until today
    It was a Champions League match at Anderlecht so no change in the Prem table
    Ha! Don't know why I thought it was a domestic game, sorry!
    Now we know the purples believe in the annexation of Belgium, it's definitely Peak Kipper.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    Socrates said:

    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Some interesting tweets tonight from Matthew Goodwin:

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ

    Such as:

    "There's more bad news for Cons: once again majority of voters reject idea that vote for Ukip is vote for Miliband"

    Are they rejecting that idea though? Or are they rejecting the idea that just because that is true does not mean they will not vote the way they want to, because Ed M as PM does not scare them even if they think he is crap?
    But the most recent poll showed that the majority for staying in the EU had gone up. Farage is just peddling hatred of immigrants. Indeed he will peddle anything of the moment that is populist.
    UKIP are opposed to open door immigration, not immigrants.

    http://www.ukip.org/steven_woolfe_ukip_s_ethical_migration_policy
    Don't waste your breath Dave. The people that play the racist card everywhere they can are just thickos that can't deal with actual arguments. Every time someone does it I assume their IQ is about five points lower than I did previously.
    Surely UKIP is home of the thickos though?
    Absolutely, none of us have an IQ above room temperature and only 3 in 10 manage to spell their names correctly best out of three using crayon.
    LOL I understand Dirty Dicks attendees will be required to hand in their crayons before the IQ test is undertaken
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    For anyone interested in a stocking filler - Frank's autobiog is a super read.
    AndyJS said:

    O/T:

    Canadian gunman apparently named as 32 year old Quebec-Algerian Michael Zehaf-Bibeau.

    Source: Frank Gardner, BBC News.

  • Neil said:

    Neil said:

    Neil said:

    Y0kel said:

    The converts should always be subject to a more in-depth look.

    Facts are that disproportionately they are a larger part of your imports to remote conflicts such as Syria/Iraq compared to their overall numbers.

    You're saying Carswell and Reckless represent a disproportionate threat to national security? I'm ok with interning them until after May 2015.
    Greens will lock up anyone they disagree with!
    Just train spotters, Sunil!

    Will you be there at Dirty Dicks next month?
    It's a weekend I'm in London (not been many of those recently) so plan to be but not 100% sure just yet. Have you picked out garish shoes yet?

    I'm going shopping for them next week, this is the early contender,

    http://www.footlocker.eu/en-gb/Shoes/Nike-Flyknit-Max.aspx/4207912404
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,821

    A few years ago, there was academic research proving UKIP had the voters with the lowest IQ bar non voters and BNP voters.

    Neil never tires of reminding us the same research found the Greens with the highest IQ

    Did we not also come just above people who try and justify their voting habits and to make others feel inferior by citing spurious voter IQ studies?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Some interesting tweets tonight from Matthew Goodwin:

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ

    Such as:

    "There's more bad news for Cons: once again majority of voters reject idea that vote for Ukip is vote for Miliband"

    Are they rejecting that idea though? Or are they rejecting the idea that just because that is true does not mean they will not vote the way they want to, because Ed M as PM does not scare them even if they think he is crap?
    But the most recent poll showed that the majority for staying in the EU had gone up. Farage is just peddling hatred of immigrants. Indeed he will peddle anything of the moment that is populist.
    He sure will. Seems to be working too, for the moment, for longer than it seemed it initially would.
    Plenty of WWC Labour votes in the North to Hoover up. Snap, snap, snap.
    How many right wing GE2015 northern gains you predicting
    Be interesting to work that out, now Heywood and Middleton has become an ultra marginal.
    The Yorkshire Post had a quote from Mr Farage saying that if UKIP did well in the South Yorkshire Police Crime Commissioner by-election, UKIP would shift their general election plans.
    I think the UKIP PCC candidate could stand a chance due to Rotherham TBH
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Epic.

    I love Brookes. His execution and wit are superb.
    TGOHF said:

    @BrookesTimes: My cartoon Thursday @TheTimes: Ukip & that European Parliament unholy alliance #Farage #extremism http://t.co/zKngkuoszm

  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708

    subliminal historical reasons for opposing the EU like WWII airbases, defences against European invasion etc/ evidence of European invasion.

    Interesting thought, I wonder how close a correlation you'd get if you plotted UKIP council wins against Martello Towers or whatever.
  • A few years ago, there was academic research proving UKIP had the voters with the lowest IQ bar non voters and BNP voters.

    Neil never tires of reminding us the same research found the Greens with the highest IQ

    "Citation needed" as Wikipedia might say!
    Here you go

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2008/nov/03/greenpolitics-liberaldemocrats
  • Neil said:


    Neil never tires of reminding us the same research found the Greens with the highest IQ

    Tbf I mostly wheeled that out when SeanT was about to start his IQ riff.
    I know,
  • isam said:

    isam said:

    And so it has happened.. political nerdyness has overtaken love of football

    Lifelong Arsenal supporter, I had to work on the Liverpool match for the first 70 mins.. switched over to the Arsenal only to see us go 1-0 down... been reading PB and only just saw we won 2-1

    Happy days!

    Have you gone above West Ham? We were 4th until today
    It was a Champions League match at Anderlecht so no change in the Prem table
    Ha! Don't know why I thought it was a domestic game, sorry!
    Now we know the purples believe in the annexation of Belgium, it's definitely Peak Kipper.
    Ha! Well, I don't know about UKIP, but the Sunil on Sunday believes a devilishly elegant way of resolving the Commonwealth versus EU question can be solved by "absorbing" the current EU into the Commonwealth, on the basis of a) English being an official language of the EU, and b) (according to Wikipedia) "51% of EU citizens" being proficient in our language!
  • HughHugh Posts: 955
    edited October 2014

    We now seem to be in a pattern where polling in the low thirties is the norm for the Big Two. Labour's scores are awful, made tolerable only by the fact that the Tories are even worse.

    In the era of 5 party politics, 32-37 is great for Labour, easily majority territory!

    Especially as the far right / racist fringe in the form of UKIP are peeling away part of the old Tory core, possibly for good.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    A few years ago, there was academic research proving UKIP had the voters with the lowest IQ bar non voters and BNP voters.

    Neil never tires of reminding us the same research found the Greens with the highest IQ

    Did we not also come just above people who try and justify their voting habits and to make others feel inferior by citing spurious voter IQ studies?
    Neil doesn't do that though. He just brings it up when SeanT starts saying Tories are more intelligent.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    edited October 2014

    Neil said:

    Neil said:

    Neil said:

    Y0kel said:

    The converts should always be subject to a more in-depth look.

    Facts are that disproportionately they are a larger part of your imports to remote conflicts such as Syria/Iraq compared to their overall numbers.

    You're saying Carswell and Reckless represent a disproportionate threat to national security? I'm ok with interning them until after May 2015.
    Greens will lock up anyone they disagree with!
    Just train spotters, Sunil!

    Will you be there at Dirty Dicks next month?
    It's a weekend I'm in London (not been many of those recently) so plan to be but not 100% sure just yet. Have you picked out garish shoes yet?

    I'm going shopping for them next week, this is the early contender,

    http://www.footlocker.eu/en-gb/Shoes/Nike-Flyknit-Max.aspx/4207912404
    Red shoes betray your inner-Socialist?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    A few years ago, there was academic research proving UKIP had the voters with the lowest IQ bar non voters and BNP voters.

    Neil never tires of reminding us the same research found the Greens with the highest IQ

    Did we not also come just above people who try and justify their voting habits and to make others feel inferior by citing spurious voter IQ studies?
    Oh, yes, and also just above people who believe what they read in the foreign news section of the mainstream press.

  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    subliminal historical reasons for opposing the EU like WWII airbases, defences against European invasion etc/ evidence of European invasion.

    Interesting thought, I wonder how close a correlation you'd get if you plotted UKIP council wins against Martello Towers or whatever.
    I read someone do an analysis of European elections that said right wing populist parties do well in flat lowland areas. I can't remember the reasoning.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    Neil said:

    Neil said:

    Neil said:

    Y0kel said:

    The converts should always be subject to a more in-depth look.

    Facts are that disproportionately they are a larger part of your imports to remote conflicts such as Syria/Iraq compared to their overall numbers.

    You're saying Carswell and Reckless represent a disproportionate threat to national security? I'm ok with interning them until after May 2015.
    Greens will lock up anyone they disagree with!
    Just train spotters, Sunil!

    Will you be there at Dirty Dicks next month?
    It's a weekend I'm in London (not been many of those recently) so plan to be but not 100% sure just yet. Have you picked out garish shoes yet?

    I'm going shopping for them next week, this is the early contender,

    http://www.footlocker.eu/en-gb/Shoes/Nike-Flyknit-Max.aspx/4207912404
    Quite modest for you.

  • kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Some interesting tweets tonight from Matthew Goodwin:

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ

    Such as:

    "There's more bad news for Cons: once again majority of voters reject idea that vote for Ukip is vote for Miliband"

    Are they rejecting that idea though? Or are they rejecting the idea that just because that is true does not mean they will not vote the way they want to, because Ed M as PM does not scare them even if they think he is crap?
    But the most recent poll showed that the majority for staying in the EU had gone up. Farage is just peddling hatred of immigrants. Indeed he will peddle anything of the moment that is populist.
    He sure will. Seems to be working too, for the moment, for longer than it seemed it initially would.
    Plenty of WWC Labour votes in the North to Hoover up. Snap, snap, snap.
    How many right wing GE2015 northern gains you predicting
    Be interesting to work that out, now Heywood and Middleton has become an ultra marginal.
    The Yorkshire Post had a quote from Mr Farage saying that if UKIP did well in the South Yorkshire Police Crime Commissioner by-election, UKIP would shift their general election plans.
    I think the UKIP PCC candidate could stand a chance due to Rotherham TBH
    I shall fill in my postal vote tomorrow.
  • subliminal historical reasons for opposing the EU like WWII airbases, defences against European invasion etc/ evidence of European invasion.

    Interesting thought, I wonder how close a correlation you'd get if you plotted UKIP council wins against Martello Towers or whatever.
    Well why don't you have a go at that and let us all know?
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    Plato said:

    For anyone interested in a stocking filler - Frank's autobiog is a super read.

    AndyJS said:

    O/T:

    Canadian gunman apparently named as 32 year old Quebec-Algerian Michael Zehaf-Bibeau.

    Source: Frank Gardner, BBC News.

    I'm currently reading Norman Tebbit's auto-biography, "upwardly mobile".

    The Heath 70-74 government sounds like a shambles!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Some interesting tweets tonight from Matthew Goodwin:

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ

    Such as:

    "There's more bad news for Cons: once again majority of voters reject idea that vote for Ukip is vote for Miliband"

    Are they rejecting that idea though? Or are they rejecting the idea that just because that is true does not mean they will not vote the way they want to, because Ed M as PM does not scare them even if they think he is crap?
    But the most recent poll showed that the majority for staying in the EU had gone up. Farage is just peddling hatred of immigrants. Indeed he will peddle anything of the moment that is populist.
    UKIP are opposed to open door immigration, not immigrants.

    http://www.ukip.org/steven_woolfe_ukip_s_ethical_migration_policy
    Don't waste your breath Dave. The people that play the racist card everywhere they can are just thickos that can't deal with actual arguments. Every time someone does it I assume their IQ is about five points lower than I did previously.
    I think most UKIP supporters are at least to some degree racist and my IQ was 133 last week so maybe its dropped to 128 now i typed that
    I drop it 20 for the sort of muppets boasting about their IQ on an internet forum.
    Thanks that puts me Lower than BNP
    IQ study reckons


    Green - 108.3

    Liberal Democrat - 108.2

    Conservative - 103.7

    Labour – 103

    Plaid Cymru - 102.5

    Scottish National - 102.2

    UK Independence - 101.1

    British National - 98.4

    Did not vote/None of the above - 99.7

  • HughHugh Posts: 955
    Far Right / racist / scapegoating politics does lend itself to reactionary thickos though, let's be honest.

    It takes a bit more brainpower to work out that muslimzzz and immgrunts might not, after all, be the cause of all your problems in life.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Canada: Spot the pattern.

    So taking the named suspect:

    -Reported convert (still a grey area)
    -Criminal record, low level, drugs & breaching parole (confirmed criminal)
    -Authorities aware of his possible links (confirmed)

    Whilst this all remains to be confirmed its remarkably common background circumstance and would, if proven, provide a very typical view of a societal malcontent who ends up with something rather more serious going on.

    In addition the guy had his passport confiscated, reportedly he was due to travel..to the Middle East.

    A few weeks back I mentioned that IS membership and its attendant worship of violence represented the seeds of its destruction. Those seeds are fairly evident already, its a movement only incidentally related to its supposed religious fervor. In reality its a movement with its common cause in its particular violence and power rush. That will in itself lead to spin off & splinters. Add in those (already evident) who joined to find that actually the movement was nothing like promoted and it will eventually, combined with external pressure, implode.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578

    kle4 said:

    Socrates said:

    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Some interesting tweets tonight from Matthew Goodwin:

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ

    Such as:

    "There's more bad news for Cons: once again majority of voters reject idea that vote for Ukip is vote for Miliband"

    Are they rejecting that idea though? Or are they rejecting the idea that just because that is true does not mean they will not vote the way they want to, because Ed M as PM does not scare them even if they think he is crap?
    But the most recent poll showed that the majority for staying in the EU had gone up. Farage is just peddling hatred of immigrants. Indeed he will peddle anything of the moment that is populist.
    UKIP are opposed to open door immigration, not immigrants.

    http://www.ukip.org/steven_woolfe_ukip_s_ethical_migration_policy
    Don't waste your breath Dave. The people that play the racist card everywhere they can are just thickos that can't deal with actual arguments. Every time someone does it I assume their IQ is about five points lower than I did previously.
    Surely UKIP is home of the thickos though?
    Absolutely, none of us have an IQ above room temperature
    Fahrenheit or Celsius?
    Never heard of either bloke but they sound foreign so I will say no.
    Assuming they must be men and not women, tut tut, sexism, there's another knock against UKIP. They believe all women are sluts you know.
  • subliminal historical reasons for opposing the EU like WWII airbases, defences against European invasion etc/ evidence of European invasion.

    Interesting thought, I wonder how close a correlation you'd get if you plotted UKIP council wins against Martello Towers or whatever.
    Well why don't you have a go at that and let us all know?
    Any regression analysis would be confounded by any number of factors - anything meaningful would be lost under the omitted variable bias.

    Mind you I did have a quick google to see if I could find a latitude and longitude coordinate lists for the Martello towers. If anyone finds me one, I can crunch the numbers for you.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Some interesting tweets tonight from Matthew Goodwin:

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ

    Such as:

    "There's more bad news for Cons: once again majority of voters reject idea that vote for Ukip is vote for Miliband"

    Are they rejecting that idea though? Or are they rejecting the idea that just because that is true does not mean they will not vote the way they want to, because Ed M as PM does not scare them even if they think he is crap?
    But the most recent poll showed that the majority for staying in the EU had gone up. Farage is just peddling hatred of immigrants. Indeed he will peddle anything of the moment that is populist.
    He sure will. Seems to be working too, for the moment, for longer than it seemed it initially would.
    Plenty of WWC Labour votes in the North to Hoover up. Snap, snap, snap.
    How many right wing GE2015 northern gains you predicting
    Be interesting to work that out, now Heywood and Middleton has become an ultra marginal.
    The Yorkshire Post had a quote from Mr Farage saying that if UKIP did well in the South Yorkshire Police Crime Commissioner by-election, UKIP would shift their general election plans.
    I think the UKIP PCC candidate could stand a chance due to Rotherham TBH
    I shall fill in my postal vote tomorrow.
    Ian Walker?
  • Neil said:

    Neil said:

    Neil said:

    Neil said:

    Y0kel said:

    The converts should always be subject to a more in-depth look.

    Facts are that disproportionately they are a larger part of your imports to remote conflicts such as Syria/Iraq compared to their overall numbers.

    You're saying Carswell and Reckless represent a disproportionate threat to national security? I'm ok with interning them until after May 2015.
    Greens will lock up anyone they disagree with!
    Just train spotters, Sunil!

    Will you be there at Dirty Dicks next month?
    It's a weekend I'm in London (not been many of those recently) so plan to be but not 100% sure just yet. Have you picked out garish shoes yet?

    I'm going shopping for them next week, this is the early contender,

    http://www.footlocker.eu/en-gb/Shoes/Nike-Flyknit-Max.aspx/4207912404
    Quite modest for you.

    There's still time to find a suitable pair for me.

    I still think my footwear was responsible for John ending up in Bournemouth.

    To quote someone else "I can still see them when I close my eyes"
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    edited October 2014
    The real thickos are the Labourites who blame all their problems on white people playing divide and rule. That's probably why their core vote are public sector "computer says no" types, benefit scroungers and reactionary fundamentalists from backwards societies.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    subliminal historical reasons for opposing the EU like WWII airbases, defences against European invasion etc/ evidence of European invasion.

    Interesting thought, I wonder how close a correlation you'd get if you plotted UKIP council wins against Martello Towers or whatever.
    Well why don't you have a go at that and let us all know?
    Any regression analysis would be confounded by any number of factors
    Whether the Martello Tower was in present-day Republic of Ireland might skew the results!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Hugh said:

    Far Right / racist / scapegoating politics does lend itself to reactionary thickos though, let's be honest.

    It takes a bit more brainpower to work out that muslimzzz and immgrunts might not, after all, be the cause of all your problems in life.

    Welcome back where have you been?
  • Eh_ehm_a_ehEh_ehm_a_eh Posts: 552
    edited October 2014
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Socrates said:

    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Some interesting tweets tonight from Matthew Goodwin:

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ

    Such as:

    "There's more bad news for Cons: once again majority of voters reject idea that vote for Ukip is vote for Miliband"

    Are they rejecting that idea though? Or are they rejecting the idea that just because that is true does not mean they will not vote the way they want to, because Ed M as PM does not scare them even if they think he is crap?
    But the most recent poll showed that the majority for staying in the EU had gone up. Farage is just peddling hatred of immigrants. Indeed he will peddle anything of the moment that is populist.
    UKIP are opposed to open door immigration, not immigrants.

    http://www.ukip.org/steven_woolfe_ukip_s_ethical_migration_policy
    Don't waste your breath Dave. The people that play the racist card everywhere they can are just thickos that can't deal with actual arguments. Every time someone does it I assume their IQ is about five points lower than I did previously.
    Surely UKIP is home of the thickos though?
    Absolutely, none of us have an IQ above room temperature
    Fahrenheit or Celsius?
    Never heard of either bloke but they sound foreign so I will say no.
    Assuming they must be men and not women, tut tut, sexism, there's another knock against UKIP. They believe all women are sluts you know.
    Daniel Farenheit, Anders Celsius dodgy foreigners.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983


    I still think my footwear was responsible for John ending up in Bournemouth.

    Yes, drinking shoe-measure volumes of sambuca was probably what did for him. I have to personally escort him right on to the platform in Waterloo these days in case of a repeat.
  • HughHugh Posts: 955
    Nice to have a break from all the endless nasty little posts about muslims and immigrants and child abuse and immigrants and muslims and race and muslims and immigrants for a while.

    So. About these reports we heard of Cameron being forced out if he loses Rochester...?
  • Neil said:

    Neil said:

    Neil said:

    Neil said:

    Y0kel said:

    The converts should always be subject to a more in-depth look.

    Facts are that disproportionately they are a larger part of your imports to remote conflicts such as Syria/Iraq compared to their overall numbers.

    You're saying Carswell and Reckless represent a disproportionate threat to national security? I'm ok with interning them until after May 2015.
    Greens will lock up anyone they disagree with!
    Just train spotters, Sunil!

    Will you be there at Dirty Dicks next month?
    It's a weekend I'm in London (not been many of those recently) so plan to be but not 100% sure just yet. Have you picked out garish shoes yet?

    I'm going shopping for them next week, this is the early contender,

    http://www.footlocker.eu/en-gb/Shoes/Nike-Flyknit-Max.aspx/4207912404
    Quite modest for you.

    There's still time to find a suitable pair for me.

    I still think my footwear was responsible for John ending up in Bournemouth.

    To quote someone else "I can still see them when I close my eyes"
    You need some Tory Blue ones this time around!
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Some interesting tweets tonight from Matthew Goodwin:

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ

    Such as:

    "There's more bad news for Cons: once again majority of voters reject idea that vote for Ukip is vote for Miliband"

    Are they rejecting that idea though? Or are they rejecting the idea that just because that is true does not mean they will not vote the way they want to, because Ed M as PM does not scare them even if they think he is crap?
    But the most recent poll showed that the majority for staying in the EU had gone up. Farage is just peddling hatred of immigrants. Indeed he will peddle anything of the moment that is populist.
    UKIP are opposed to open door immigration, not immigrants.

    http://www.ukip.org/steven_woolfe_ukip_s_ethical_migration_policy
    Don't waste your breath Dave. The people that play the racist card everywhere they can are just thickos that can't deal with actual arguments. Every time someone does it I assume their IQ is about five points lower than I did previously.
    I think most UKIP supporters are at least to some degree racist and my IQ was 133 last week so maybe its dropped to 128 now i typed that
    I drop it 20 for the sort of muppets boasting about their IQ on an internet forum.
    Thanks that puts me Lower than BNP
    IQ study reckons


    Green - 108.3

    Liberal Democrat - 108.2

    Conservative - 103.7

    Labour – 103

    Plaid Cymru - 102.5

    Scottish National - 102.2

    UK Independence - 101.1

    British National - 98.4

    Did not vote/None of the above - 99.7

    Reading my comment back, it came over meaner than I meant it. Sorry - joke gone wrong.
  • kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Some interesting tweets tonight from Matthew Goodwin:

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ

    Such as:

    "There's more bad news for Cons: once again majority of voters reject idea that vote for Ukip is vote for Miliband"

    Are they rejecting that idea though? Or are they rejecting the idea that just because that is true does not mean they will not vote the way they want to, because Ed M as PM does not scare them even if they think he is crap?
    But the most recent poll showed that the majority for staying in the EU had gone up. Farage is just peddling hatred of immigrants. Indeed he will peddle anything of the moment that is populist.
    He sure will. Seems to be working too, for the moment, for longer than it seemed it initially would.
    Plenty of WWC Labour votes in the North to Hoover up. Snap, snap, snap.
    How many right wing GE2015 northern gains you predicting
    Be interesting to work that out, now Heywood and Middleton has become an ultra marginal.
    The Yorkshire Post had a quote from Mr Farage saying that if UKIP did well in the South Yorkshire Police Crime Commissioner by-election, UKIP would shift their general election plans.
    I think the UKIP PCC candidate could stand a chance due to Rotherham TBH
    I shall fill in my postal vote tomorrow.
    Ian Walker?
    Yeah, us Old Birkdalians have to stick together.
  • shiney2shiney2 Posts: 672
    Has anybody heard this? Its very good.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7QYJ7pVhUo
  • Neil said:

    subliminal historical reasons for opposing the EU like WWII airbases, defences against European invasion etc/ evidence of European invasion.

    Interesting thought, I wonder how close a correlation you'd get if you plotted UKIP council wins against Martello Towers or whatever.
    Well why don't you have a go at that and let us all know?
    Any regression analysis would be confounded by any number of factors
    Whether the Martello Tower was in present-day Republic of Ireland might skew the results!
    Martello Tower or Costello Tower in the RoI?
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    I still don't understand in all this how the woman was sober enough to consent to sex with one man, but too drunk to consent to sex with the second.
  • Neil said:

    subliminal historical reasons for opposing the EU like WWII airbases, defences against European invasion etc/ evidence of European invasion.

    Interesting thought, I wonder how close a correlation you'd get if you plotted UKIP council wins against Martello Towers or whatever.
    Well why don't you have a go at that and let us all know?
    Any regression analysis would be confounded by any number of factors
    Whether the Martello Tower was in present-day Republic of Ireland might skew the results!
    There is that! But they were built all over the place, not just the East Atlantic Islands/West of North Sea Islands /North Of Channel Islands (which of these is PC these days?) but dotted around from Canada to Malta to Mauritius...
  • ISam

    Heywood is an easy Lab hold at the GE. Don't waste your money
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Socrates said:

    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Some interesting tweets tonight from Matthew Goodwin:

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ

    Such as:

    "There's more bad news for Cons: once again majority of voters reject idea that vote for Ukip is vote for Miliband"

    Are they rejecting that idea though? Or are they rejecting the idea that just because that is true does not mean they will not vote the way they want to, because Ed M as PM does not scare them even if they think he is crap?
    But the most recent poll showed that the majority for staying in the EU had gone up. Farage is just peddling hatred of immigrants. Indeed he will peddle anything of the moment that is populist.
    UKIP are opposed to open door immigration, not immigrants.

    http://www.ukip.org/steven_woolfe_ukip_s_ethical_migration_policy
    Don't waste your breath Dave. The people that play the racist card everywhere they can are just thickos that can't deal with actual arguments. Every time someone does it I assume their IQ is about five points lower than I did previously.
    Surely UKIP is home of the thickos though?
    Absolutely, none of us have an IQ above room temperature
    Fahrenheit or Celsius?
    Never heard of either bloke but they sound foreign so I will say no.
    Assuming they must be men and not women, tut tut, sexism, there's another knock against UKIP. They believe all women are sluts you know.
    Daniel Frenheit, Anders Celsius dodgy foreigners.
    Curses, I've been caught out! You must know the rule for all true anti-Kippers is to accuse a Kipper or even a potential Kipper at every opportunity - with any luck, no-one will call you out for being wrong and the mainstream people can just accept the accusation in good faith. It's part of the advice in the anti-Kipper training packs we all receive.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Some interesting tweets tonight from Matthew Goodwin:

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ

    Such as:

    "There's more bad news for Cons: once again majority of voters reject idea that vote for Ukip is vote for Miliband"

    Are they rejecting that idea though? Or are they rejecting the idea that just because that is true does not mean they will not vote the way they want to, because Ed M as PM does not scare them even if they think he is crap?
    But the most recent poll showed that the majority for staying in the EU had gone up. Farage is just peddling hatred of immigrants. Indeed he will peddle anything of the moment that is populist.
    UKIP are opposed to open door immigration, not immigrants.

    http://www.ukip.org/steven_woolfe_ukip_s_ethical_migration_policy
    Don't waste your breath Dave. The people that play the racist card everywhere they can are just thickos that can't deal with actual arguments. Every time someone does it I assume their IQ is about five points lower than I did previously.
    I think most UKIP supporters are at least to some degree racist and my IQ was 133 last week so maybe its dropped to 128 now i typed that
    I drop it 20 for the sort of muppets boasting about their IQ on an internet forum.
    Thanks that puts me Lower than BNP
    IQ study reckons


    Green - 108.3

    Liberal Democrat - 108.2

    Conservative - 103.7

    Labour – 103

    Plaid Cymru - 102.5

    Scottish National - 102.2

    UK Independence - 101.1

    British National - 98.4

    Did not vote/None of the above - 99.7

    Reading my comment back, it came over meaner than I meant it. Sorry - joke gone wrong.
    Its OK are you going to Dirty Dicks its good to put faces to regular posters
  • Neil said:


    I still think my footwear was responsible for John ending up in Bournemouth.

    Yes, drinking shoe-measure volumes of sambuca was probably what did for him. I have to personally escort him right on to the platform in Waterloo these days in case of a repeat.
    My my.
  • shiney2 said:

    Has anybody heard this? Its very good.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7QYJ7pVhUo

    Only the last Labour government has a worse record than Mike Read's latest offering.
  • HughHugh Posts: 955

    Hugh said:

    Far Right / racist / scapegoating politics does lend itself to reactionary thickos though, let's be honest.

    It takes a bit more brainpower to work out that muslimzzz and immgrunts might not, after all, be the cause of all your problems in life.

    Welcome back where have you been?
    Find PB really dull when it's just endless far right trolls from UKIP spitting their unpleasant little memes about race and immigration and whatnot. Don't know where they've all come from, PB is sadly infested with them, gives the place a very nasty tone.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited October 2014
    Anyone else watch VIP? Great impression of Liam Gallagher.. shame it didn't get a second series

    "Abu Dhabi Do!"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu1XjFSG7iY
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    Neil said:

    subliminal historical reasons for opposing the EU like WWII airbases, defences against European invasion etc/ evidence of European invasion.

    Interesting thought, I wonder how close a correlation you'd get if you plotted UKIP council wins against Martello Towers or whatever.
    Well why don't you have a go at that and let us all know?
    Any regression analysis would be confounded by any number of factors
    Whether the Martello Tower was in present-day Republic of Ireland might skew the results!
    There is that! But they were built all over the place, not just the East Atlantic Islands/West of North Sea Islands /North Of Channel Islands (which of these is PC these days?) but dotted around from Canada to Malta to Mauritius...
    I never knew that! Surely only one Martello Tower now contains a museum to a nobel laureate:

    http://jamesjoycetower.com/
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Hugh said:

    Nice to have a break from all the endless nasty little posts about muslims and immigrants and child abuse and immigrants and muslims and race and muslims and immigrants for a while.

    So. About these reports we heard of Cameron being forced out if he loses Rochester...?

    Well he has certainly raised the stakes and I dont see even TSEs legendary campaigning skills turning around a UKIP relatively comfortable win
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Some interesting tweets tonight from Matthew Goodwin:

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ

    Such as:

    "There's more bad news for Cons: once again majority of voters reject idea that vote for Ukip is vote for Miliband"

    Are they rejecting that idea though? Or are they rejecting the idea that just because that is true does not mean they will not vote the way they want to, because Ed M as PM does not scare them even if they think he is crap?
    But the most recent poll showed that the majority for staying in the EU had gone up. Farage is just peddling hatred of immigrants. Indeed he will peddle anything of the moment that is populist.
    UKIP are opposed to open door immigration, not immigrants.

    http://www.ukip.org/steven_woolfe_ukip_s_ethical_migration_policy
    Don't waste your breath Dave. The people that play the racist card everywhere they can are just thickos that can't deal with actual arguments. Every time someone does it I assume their IQ is about five points lower than I did previously.
    I think most UKIP supporters are at least to some degree racist and my IQ was 133 last week so maybe its dropped to 128 now i typed that
    I drop it 20 for the sort of muppets boasting about their IQ on an internet forum.
    Thanks that puts me Lower than BNP
    IQ study reckons


    Green - 108.3

    Liberal Democrat - 108.2

    Conservative - 103.7

    Labour – 103

    Plaid Cymru - 102.5

    Scottish National - 102.2

    UK Independence - 101.1

    British National - 98.4

    Did not vote/None of the above - 99.7

    Reading my comment back, it came over meaner than I meant it. Sorry - joke gone wrong.
    Its OK are you going to Dirty Dicks its good to put faces to regular posters
    Unfortunately, not. My job bans me from attaching my identity to public political views, hence the pseudonym, I'm afraid.
  • Neil said:

    Neil said:

    Neil said:

    Neil said:

    Y0kel said:

    The converts should always be subject to a more in-depth look.

    Facts are that disproportionately they are a larger part of your imports to remote conflicts such as Syria/Iraq compared to their overall numbers.

    You're saying Carswell and Reckless represent a disproportionate threat to national security? I'm ok with interning them until after May 2015.
    Greens will lock up anyone they disagree with!
    Just train spotters, Sunil!

    Will you be there at Dirty Dicks next month?
    It's a weekend I'm in London (not been many of those recently) so plan to be but not 100% sure just yet. Have you picked out garish shoes yet?

    I'm going shopping for them next week, this is the early contender,

    http://www.footlocker.eu/en-gb/Shoes/Nike-Flyknit-Max.aspx/4207912404
    Quite modest for you.

    A mate of mine owns about 100 pairs of these things. Baffling. He

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Some interesting tweets tonight from Matthew Goodwin:

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ

    Such as:

    "There's more bad news for Cons: once again majority of voters reject idea that vote for Ukip is vote for Miliband"

    Are they rejecting that idea though? Or are they rejecting the idea that just because that is true does not mean they will not vote the way they want to, because Ed M as PM does not scare them even if they think he is crap?
    But the most recent poll showed that the majority for staying in the EU had gone up. Farage is just peddling hatred of immigrants. Indeed he will peddle anything of the moment that is populist.
    He sure will. Seems to be working too, for the moment, for longer than it seemed it initially would.
    Plenty of WWC Labour votes in the North to Hoover up. Snap, snap, snap.
    How many right wing GE2015 northern gains you predicting
    Be interesting to work that out, now Heywood and Middleton has become an ultra marginal.
    I await your prediction
    I predict you'll be waiting a long time.
  • manofkent2014manofkent2014 Posts: 1,543
    edited October 2014
    UKIP Crossbreaks from the Comres poll

    Class

    A/B 13%
    C1 29%
    C2 34%
    D/E 24%

    Age
    Under 35 23%
    35-54 40%
    55+ 37%

    Gender

    Male 55%
    Female 45%

    Female Breakdown

    UKIP 39%
    Con 31%
    Lab 22%
    Grn 4%
    LD 3%

    So UKIP voters are predominantly middle aged and middle class and whilst predominantly male their female support is larger than any other party. How can that be? Everyone knows that UKIP support is stuffed with thick poor white old men


  • Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Some interesting tweets tonight from Matthew Goodwin:

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ

    Such as:

    "There's more bad news for Cons: once again majority of voters reject idea that vote for Ukip is vote for Miliband"

    Are they rejecting that idea though? Or are they rejecting the idea that just because that is true does not mean they will not vote the way they want to, because Ed M as PM does not scare them even if they think he is crap?
    But the most recent poll showed that the majority for staying in the EU had gone up. Farage is just peddling hatred of immigrants. Indeed he will peddle anything of the moment that is populist.
    UKIP are opposed to open door immigration, not immigrants.

    http://www.ukip.org/steven_woolfe_ukip_s_ethical_migration_policy
    Don't waste your breath Dave. The people that play the racist card everywhere they can are just thickos that can't deal with actual arguments. Every time someone does it I assume their IQ is about five points lower than I did previously.
    I think most UKIP supporters are at least to some degree racist and my IQ was 133 last week so maybe its dropped to 128 now i typed that
    I drop it 20 for the sort of muppets boasting about their IQ on an internet forum.
    Thanks that puts me Lower than BNP
    IQ study reckons


    Green - 108.3

    Liberal Democrat - 108.2

    Conservative - 103.7

    Labour – 103

    Plaid Cymru - 102.5

    Scottish National - 102.2

    UK Independence - 101.1

    British National - 98.4

    Did not vote/None of the above - 99.7

    Reading my comment back, it came over meaner than I meant it. Sorry - joke gone wrong.
    Its OK are you going to Dirty Dicks its good to put faces to regular posters
    I will be there!
  • shiney2shiney2 Posts: 672


    Only the last Labour government has a worse record than Mike Read's latest offering.

    ----
    I think the next one will top it easily.

    Vote Con Get Balls
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    shiney2 said:

    Has anybody heard this? Its very good.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7QYJ7pVhUo

    Only the last Labour government has a worse record than Mike Read's latest offering.
    Dont pick on LAB record whats wrong with Hannibal?
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    edited October 2014
    Neil said:

    Neil said:

    subliminal historical reasons for opposing the EU like WWII airbases, defences against European invasion etc/ evidence of European invasion.

    Interesting thought, I wonder how close a correlation you'd get if you plotted UKIP council wins against Martello Towers or whatever.
    Well why don't you have a go at that and let us all know?
    Any regression analysis would be confounded by any number of factors
    Whether the Martello Tower was in present-day Republic of Ireland might skew the results!
    There is that! But they were built all over the place, not just the East Atlantic Islands/West of North Sea Islands /North Of Channel Islands (which of these is PC these days?) but dotted around from Canada to Malta to Mauritius...
    I never knew that! Surely only one Martello Tower now contains a museum to a nobel laureate:

    http://jamesjoycetower.com/
    Vaguely related. One of my favourite pairs of trivia:

    1) Name the only Nobel laureate to have played first-class cricket?
    2) Name the only British Prime Minister to have played first-class cricket?

    I think the reason I enjoy it so much is that one is Irish and the other is Scottish...
  • UKIP Crossbreaks from the Comres poll

    Class

    A/B 13%
    C1 29%
    C2 34%
    D/E 24%

    Age
    Under 35 23%
    35-54 40%
    55+ 37%

    Gender

    Male 55%
    Female 45%

    Female Breakdown

    UKIP 39%
    Con 31%
    Lab 22%
    Grn 4%
    LD 3%

    So UKIP voters are predominantly middle aged and middle class and whilst predominantly male their female support is larger than any other party. How can that be? Everyone knows that UKIP support is stuffed with thick poor white old men



    Subsample alert?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624

    UKIP Crossbreaks from the Comres poll

    Class

    A/B 13%
    C1 29%
    C2 34%
    D/E 24%

    Age
    Under 35 23%
    35-54 40%
    55+ 37%

    Gender

    Male 55%
    Female 45%

    Female Breakdown

    UKIP 39%
    Con 31%
    Lab 22%
    Grn 4%
    LD 3%

    So UKIP voters are predominantly middle aged and middle class and whilst predominantly male their female support is larger than any other party. How can that be? Everyone knows that UKIP support is stuffed with thick poor white old men


    Yeah, some of them are so stupid, they don't even know what sex they are

    [joke]
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291
    edited October 2014
    Neil said:


    I still think my footwear was responsible for John ending up in Bournemouth.

    Yes, drinking shoe-measure volumes of sambuca was probably what did for him. I have to personally escort him right on to the platform in Waterloo these days in case of a repeat.
    But ever the gentleman-carer, you do treat me to a final one-for-the-road cocktail at that splendidly decadent first floor bar at Waterloo.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Some interesting tweets tonight from Matthew Goodwin:

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ

    Such as:

    "There's more bad news for Cons: once again majority of voters reject idea that vote for Ukip is vote for Miliband"

    Are they rejecting that idea though? Or are they rejecting the idea that just because that is true does not mean they will not vote the way they want to, because Ed M as PM does not scare them even if they think he is crap?
    But the most recent poll showed that the majority for staying in the EU had gone up. Farage is just peddling hatred of immigrants. Indeed he will peddle anything of the moment that is populist.
    UKIP are opposed to open door immigration, not immigrants.

    http://www.ukip.org/steven_woolfe_ukip_s_ethical_migration_policy
    Don't waste your breath Dave. The people that play the racist card everywhere they can are just thickos that can't deal with actual arguments. Every time someone does it I assume their IQ is about five points lower than I did previously.
    I think most UKIP supporters are at least to some degree racist and my IQ was 133 last week so maybe its dropped to 128 now i typed that
    I drop it 20 for the sort of muppets boasting about their IQ on an internet forum.
    Thanks that puts me Lower than BNP
    IQ study reckons


    Green - 108.3

    Liberal Democrat - 108.2

    Conservative - 103.7

    Labour – 103

    Plaid Cymru - 102.5

    Scottish National - 102.2

    UK Independence - 101.1

    British National - 98.4

    Did not vote/None of the above - 99.7

    Reading my comment back, it came over meaner than I meant it. Sorry - joke gone wrong.
    Its OK are you going to Dirty Dicks its good to put faces to regular posters
    Unfortunately, not. My job bans me from attaching my identity to public political views, hence the pseudonym, I'm afraid.
    Pity oh well roll on retirement its highly recommended
  • shiney2 said:

    Has anybody heard this? Its very good.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7QYJ7pVhUo

    Only the last Labour government has a worse record than Mike Read's latest offering.
    Dont pick on LAB record whats wrong with Hannibal?
    Thanks to me, people are now aware of how inept and rubbish Hannibal was.

    People have forgotten how rubbish Labour were, so I have to rectify that.

    Who can forget Gordon Brown boasting he had abolished boom and bust, or Alistair Darling in 2008 boasting Britain is more resilient and more prepared to deal with global shocks.

    All aided and abetted by the two Eds.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @MBE

    Beckett and Douglas-Home. Though I wonder how high a standard Trinity College played at back then! (It's a marvel that perhaps the most expensive plot of land in central Dublin is dedicated to Trinity's cricket pitch.)
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917

    UKIP Crossbreaks from the Comres poll

    Class

    A/B 13%
    C1 29%
    C2 34%
    D/E 24%

    Age
    Under 35 23%
    35-54 40%
    55+ 37%

    Gender

    Male 55%
    Female 45%

    Female Breakdown

    UKIP 39%
    Con 31%
    Lab 22%
    Grn 4%
    LD 3%

    So UKIP voters are predominantly middle aged and middle class and whilst predominantly male their female support is larger than any other party. How can that be? Everyone knows that UKIP support is stuffed with thick poor white old men



    Subsample alert?

    Look at these salivating fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists. The "hard right" are well 'ard.
    https://markreckless1.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/wp_20141018_022.jpg
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Some interesting tweets tonight from Matthew Goodwin:

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ

    Such as:

    "There's more bad news for Cons: once again majority of voters reject idea that vote for Ukip is vote for Miliband"

    Are they rejecting that idea though? Or are they rejecting the idea that just because that is true does not mean they will not vote the way they want to, because Ed M as PM does not scare them even if they think he is crap?
    But the most recent poll showed that the majority for staying in the EU had gone up. Farage is just peddling hatred of immigrants. Indeed he will peddle anything of the moment that is populist.
    UKIP are opposed to open door immigration, not immigrants.

    http://www.ukip.org/steven_woolfe_ukip_s_ethical_migration_policy
    Don't waste your breath Dave. The people that play the racist card everywhere they can are just thickos that can't deal with actual arguments. Every time someone does it I assume their IQ is about five points lower than I did previously.
    I think most UKIP supporters are at least to some degree racist and my IQ was 133 last week so maybe its dropped to 128 now i typed that
    I drop it 20 for the sort of muppets boasting about their IQ on an internet forum.
    Thanks that puts me Lower than BNP
    IQ study reckons


    Green - 108.3

    Liberal Democrat - 108.2

    Conservative - 103.7

    Labour – 103

    Plaid Cymru - 102.5

    Scottish National - 102.2

    UK Independence - 101.1

    British National - 98.4

    Did not vote/None of the above - 99.7

    Reading my comment back, it came over meaner than I meant it. Sorry - joke gone wrong.
    Its OK are you going to Dirty Dicks its good to put faces to regular posters
    I will be there!
    Good I am hoping to attend will you be wearing your red or purple trousers?
  • UKIP Crossbreaks from the Comres poll

    Class

    A/B 13%
    C1 29%
    C2 34%
    D/E 24%

    Age
    Under 35 23%
    35-54 40%
    55+ 37%

    Gender

    Male 55%
    Female 45%

    Female Breakdown

    UKIP 39%
    Con 31%
    Lab 22%
    Grn 4%
    LD 3%

    So UKIP voters are predominantly middle aged and middle class and whilst predominantly male their female support is larger than any other party. How can that be? Everyone knows that UKIP support is stuffed with thick poor white old men



    Subsample alert?
    Huh?
  • Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Some interesting tweets tonight from Matthew Goodwin:

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ

    Such as:

    "There's more bad news for Cons: once again majority of voters reject idea that vote for Ukip is vote for Miliband"

    Are they rejecting that idea though? Or are they rejecting the idea that just because that is true does not mean they will not vote the way they want to, because Ed M as PM does not scare them even if they think he is crap?
    But the most recent poll showed that the majority for staying in the EU had gone up. Farage is just peddling hatred of immigrants. Indeed he will peddle anything of the moment that is populist.
    UKIP are opposed to open door immigration, not immigrants.

    http://www.ukip.org/steven_woolfe_ukip_s_ethical_migration_policy
    Don't waste your breath Dave. The people that play the racist card everywhere they can are just thickos that can't deal with actual arguments. Every time someone does it I assume their IQ is about five points lower than I did previously.
    I think most UKIP supporters are at least to some degree racist and my IQ was 133 last week so maybe its dropped to 128 now i typed that
    I drop it 20 for the sort of muppets boasting about their IQ on an internet forum.
    Thanks that puts me Lower than BNP
    IQ study reckons


    Green - 108.3

    Liberal Democrat - 108.2

    Conservative - 103.7

    Labour – 103

    Plaid Cymru - 102.5

    Scottish National - 102.2

    UK Independence - 101.1

    British National - 98.4

    Did not vote/None of the above - 99.7

    Reading my comment back, it came over meaner than I meant it. Sorry - joke gone wrong.
    Its OK are you going to Dirty Dicks its good to put faces to regular posters
    I will be there!
    Good I am hoping to attend will you be wearing your red or purple trousers?
    Look forward to meeting you, but, I think you're getting confused with TSE's red trainers!
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Ooh, I'll add that to my Xmas list.

    Just been splurging on Amazon - after posts on here about censored Tom & Jerry, I've just ordered this!

    Plato said:

    For anyone interested in a stocking filler - Frank's autobiog is a super read.

    AndyJS said:

    O/T:

    Canadian gunman apparently named as 32 year old Quebec-Algerian Michael Zehaf-Bibeau.

    Source: Frank Gardner, BBC News.

    I'm currently reading Norman Tebbit's auto-biography, "upwardly mobile".

    The Heath 70-74 government sounds like a shambles!
  • Neil said:

    @MBE

    Beckett and Douglas-Home. Though I wonder how high a standard Trinity College played at back then! (It's a marvel that perhaps the most expensive plot of land in central Dublin is dedicated to Trinity's cricket pitch.)

    Very good Neil! As "first-class" as the Oxford-Cambridge match is, I'm sure. As far as I'm aware they still do the "[exam-]free MA with every BA" special offer that they ripped off from Oxbridge too...
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited October 2014

    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Some interesting tweets tonight from Matthew Goodwin:

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ

    Such as:

    "There's more bad news for Cons: once again majority of voters reject idea that vote for Ukip is vote for Miliband"

    Are they rejecting that idea though? Or are they rejecting the idea that just because that is true does not mean they will not vote the way they want to, because Ed M as PM does not scare them even if they think he is crap?
    But the most recent poll showed that the majority for staying in the EU had gone up. Farage is just peddling hatred of immigrants. Indeed he will peddle anything of the moment that is populist.
    UKIP are opposed to open door immigration, not immigrants.

    http://www.ukip.org/steven_woolfe_ukip_s_ethical_migration_policy
    Don't waste your breath Dave. The people that play the racist card everywhere they can are just thickos that can't deal with actual arguments. Every time someone does it I assume their IQ is about five points lower than I did previously.
    I think most UKIP supporters are at least to some degree racist and my IQ was 133 last week so maybe its dropped to 128 now i typed that
    I drop it 20 for the sort of muppets boasting about their IQ on an internet forum.
    Thanks that puts me Lower than BNP
    IQ study reckons


    Green - 108.3

    Liberal Democrat - 108.2

    Conservative - 103.7

    Labour – 103

    Plaid Cymru - 102.5

    Scottish National - 102.2

    UK Independence - 101.1

    British National - 98.4

    Did not vote/None of the above - 99.7

    Reading my comment back, it came over meaner than I meant it. Sorry - joke gone wrong.
    Its OK are you going to Dirty Dicks its good to put faces to regular posters
    I will be there!
    Good I am hoping to attend will you be wearing your red or purple trousers?
    Look forward to meeting you, but, I think you're getting confused with TSE's red trainers!
    .
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Some interesting tweets tonight from Matthew Goodwin:

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ

    Such as:

    "There's more bad news for Cons: once again majority of voters reject idea that vote for Ukip is vote for Miliband"

    Are they rejecting that idea though? Or are they rejecting the idea that just because that is true does not mean they will not vote the way they want to, because Ed M as PM does not scare them even if they think he is crap?
    But the most recent poll showed that the majority for staying in the EU had gone up. Farage is just peddling hatred of immigrants. Indeed he will peddle anything of the moment that is populist.
    UKIP are opposed to open door immigration, not immigrants.

    http://www.ukip.org/steven_woolfe_ukip_s_ethical_migration_policy
    Don't waste your breath Dave. The people that play the racist card everywhere they can are just thickos that can't deal with actual arguments. Every time someone does it I assume their IQ is about five points lower than I did previously.
    I think most UKIP supporters are at least to some degree racist and my IQ was 133 last week so maybe its dropped to 128 now i typed that
    I drop it 20 for the sort of muppets boasting about their IQ on an internet forum.
    Thanks that puts me Lower than BNP
    IQ study reckons


    Green - 108.3

    Liberal Democrat - 108.2

    Conservative - 103.7

    Labour – 103

    Plaid Cymru - 102.5

    Scottish National - 102.2

    UK Independence - 101.1

    British National - 98.4

    Did not vote/None of the above - 99.7

    Reading my comment back, it came over meaner than I meant it. Sorry - joke gone wrong.
    Its OK are you going to Dirty Dicks its good to put faces to regular posters
    I will be there!
    Good I am hoping to attend will you be wearing your red or purple trousers?
    Look forward to meeting you, but, I think you're getting confused with TSE's red trainers!
    They were yellow in Manchester and Green in Ilkley not seen the red ones yet
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @JohnO

    Are you about for the next drinks yourself? I wouldnt want to leave you to find the correct train unaided!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    TSE wears an I love Hannibal T Shirt at Cineworld Sheffield
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708

    UKIP Crossbreaks from the Comres poll

    Class

    A/B 13%
    C1 29%
    C2 34%
    D/E 24%

    Age
    Under 35 23%
    35-54 40%
    55+ 37%

    Gender

    Male 55%
    Female 45%

    Female Breakdown

    UKIP 39%
    Con 31%
    Lab 22%
    Grn 4%
    LD 3%

    So UKIP voters are predominantly middle aged and middle class and whilst predominantly male their female support is larger than any other party. How can that be? Everyone knows that UKIP support is stuffed with thick poor white old men


    IIRC we had the same thing in Clacton: Where you have these UKIP vs Con bun-fights, the old folks tend to stay loyal to Con, whereas it's people in their 40s and 50s who are defecting in large numbers.

    The male vs female thing is real though - UKIP are getting 38% of men but only 31% of women, which is a significant difference.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @MBE

    An MA from Dublin is hardly worth the paper never mind whatever rip off fee they charge ;)
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291
    Neil said:

    @JohnO

    Are you about for the next drinks yourself? I wouldnt want to leave you to find the correct train unaided!

    Would you mind travelling down to Hersham to make sure I actually get TO Waterloo - strange things can happen to ageing, semi-confused gentlefolk at Earlsfield.

    I will also have some pbTory cocktail funding, courtesy on this occasion of Malcolmg.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited October 2014

    UKIP Crossbreaks from the Comres poll

    Class

    A/B 13%
    C1 29%
    C2 34%
    D/E 24%

    Age
    Under 35 23%
    35-54 40%
    55+ 37%

    Gender

    Male 55%
    Female 45%

    Female Breakdown

    UKIP 39%
    Con 31%
    Lab 22%
    Grn 4%
    LD 3%

    So UKIP voters are predominantly middle aged and middle class and whilst predominantly male their female support is larger than any other party. How can that be? Everyone knows that UKIP support is stuffed with thick poor white old men



    Subsample alert?
    446 people?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    edited October 2014
    test
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited October 2014
    Surely UKIP is home of the thickos though?
    Check out the UKIP candidates in Westmorland and Carshalton.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @JohnO

    Sadly I havent increased the PB Tory cocktail fund since Rod got over enthusiastic about Respect's chances in some post-Bradford by-elections. We need tim back!
  • UKIP Crossbreaks from the Comres poll

    Class

    A/B 13%
    C1 29%
    C2 34%
    D/E 24%

    Age
    Under 35 23%
    35-54 40%
    55+ 37%

    Gender

    Male 55%
    Female 45%

    Female Breakdown

    UKIP 39%
    Con 31%
    Lab 22%
    Grn 4%
    LD 3%

    So UKIP voters are predominantly middle aged and middle class and whilst predominantly male their female support is larger than any other party. How can that be? Everyone knows that UKIP support is stuffed with thick poor white old men


    IIRC we had the same thing in Clacton: Where you have these UKIP vs Con bun-fights, the old folks tend to stay loyal to Con, whereas it's people in their 40s and 50s who are defecting in large numbers.

    The male vs female thing is real though - UKIP are getting 38% of men but only 31% of women, which is a significant difference.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    edited October 2014
    AndyJS said:

    blockquote class="Quote" rel="bigjohnowls">

    Socrates said:

    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Some interesting tweets tonight from Matthew Goodwin:

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ

    Such as:

    "There's more bad news for Cons: once again majority of voters reject idea that vote for Ukip is vote for Miliband"

    Are they rejecting that idea though? Or are they rejecting the idea that just because that is true does not mean they will not vote the way they want to, because Ed M as PM does not scare them even if they think he is crap?
    But the most recent poll showed that the majority for staying in the EU had gone up. Farage is just peddling hatred of immigrants. Indeed he will peddle anything of the moment that is populist.
    UKIP are opposed to open door immigration, not immigrants.

    http://www.ukip.org/steven_woolfe_ukip_s_ethical_migration_policy
    Don't waste your breath Dave. The people that play the racist card everywhere they can are just thickos that can't deal with actual arguments. Every time someone does it I assume their IQ is about five points lower than I did previously.
    Surely UKIP is home of the thickos though?

    Check out the UKIP candidates in Westmorland and Carshalton.

    Surgeon school isn't what it used to be.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    edited October 2014
    Neil said:

    @JohnO

    Sadly I havent increased the PB Tory cocktail fund since Rod got over enthusiastic about Respect's chances in some post-Bradford by-elections. We need tim back!

    I promise to put all my winnings from the Greens outpolling the Lib Dems bet into the cocktail fund.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291
    Neil said:

    @JohnO

    Sadly I havent increased the PB Tory cocktail fund since Rod got over enthusiastic about Respect's chances in some post-Bradford by-elections. We need tim back!

    Deplorable. Professor the Most Reverend Nabavi and I might have to consider suspending your membership of the pbTory Lodge pending improved performance.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @TSE

    You can cash out at the PB drinks if you like!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Plato said:

    For anyone interested in a stocking filler - Frank's autobiog is a super read.

    AndyJS said:

    O/T:

    Canadian gunman apparently named as 32 year old Quebec-Algerian Michael Zehaf-Bibeau.

    Source: Frank Gardner, BBC News.

    Thanks Plato, I'm always looking for book recommendations.
  • Neil said:

    @TSE

    You can cash out at the PB drinks if you like!

    Cheers.

    My early settlement discount offer to you will still be available then.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    First two items on the BBC midnight news on Radio 4:

    Islamist attack in Canada
    Grooming in Sheffield
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    edited October 2014
    AndyJS said:

    Plato said:

    For anyone interested in a stocking filler - Frank's autobiog is a super read.

    AndyJS said:

    O/T:

    Canadian gunman apparently named as 32 year old Quebec-Algerian Michael Zehaf-Bibeau.

    Source: Frank Gardner, BBC News.

    Thanks Plato, I'm always looking for book recommendations.
    Roy Keane's latest autobio is an interesting read. Granted, I do have a low IQ...

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Y0kel said:

    Canada: Spot the pattern.

    So taking the named suspect:

    -Reported convert (still a grey area)
    -Criminal record, low level, drugs & breaching parole (confirmed criminal)
    -Authorities aware of his possible links (confirmed)

    Whilst this all remains to be confirmed its remarkably common background circumstance and would, if proven, provide a very typical view of a societal malcontent who ends up with something rather more serious going on.

    In addition the guy had his passport confiscated, reportedly he was due to travel..to the Middle East.

    A few weeks back I mentioned that IS membership and its attendant worship of violence represented the seeds of its destruction. Those seeds are fairly evident already, its a movement only incidentally related to its supposed religious fervor. In reality its a movement with its common cause in its particular violence and power rush. That will in itself lead to spin off & splinters. Add in those (already evident) who joined to find that actually the movement was nothing like promoted and it will eventually, combined with external pressure, implode.

    If you confiscate an extremist's passport, you really should be ready for them launching an attack inside the country in question as an act of revenge.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    Plato said:

    For anyone interested in a stocking filler - Frank's autobiog is a super read.

    AndyJS said:

    O/T:

    Canadian gunman apparently named as 32 year old Quebec-Algerian Michael Zehaf-Bibeau.

    Source: Frank Gardner, BBC News.

    Thanks Plato, I'm always looking for book recommendations.
    Roy Keane's latest autobio is an interesting read. Granted, I do have a low IQ...

    I could try it despite not being much of a football fan.
  • shiney2shiney2 Posts: 672
    If the Rochester swing was repeated across the country next year:

    UKIP 535
    Lab 85
    LD 5
    Con 1

    Vote Con, Get ..not much
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    WeeJonnie Indeed, Reckless and UKIP will be relying on these former non voters turning up on polling day
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    AndyJS said:

    Y0kel said:

    Canada: Spot the pattern.

    So taking the named suspect:

    -Reported convert (still a grey area)
    -Criminal record, low level, drugs & breaching parole (confirmed criminal)
    -Authorities aware of his possible links (confirmed)

    Whilst this all remains to be confirmed its remarkably common background circumstance and would, if proven, provide a very typical view of a societal malcontent who ends up with something rather more serious going on.

    In addition the guy had his passport confiscated, reportedly he was due to travel..to the Middle East.

    A few weeks back I mentioned that IS membership and its attendant worship of violence represented the seeds of its destruction. Those seeds are fairly evident already, its a movement only incidentally related to its supposed religious fervor. In reality its a movement with its common cause in its particular violence and power rush. That will in itself lead to spin off & splinters. Add in those (already evident) who joined to find that actually the movement was nothing like promoted and it will eventually, combined with external pressure, implode.

    If you confiscate an extremist's passport, you really should be ready for them launching an attack inside the country in question as an act of revenge.
    There was this weird media obsession about passports that resulted in some deeply crazy policy. It's understandable to want to stop people entering the country, but then apparently they simultaneously want to stop them leaving...
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    AndyJS said:

    Y0kel said:

    Canada: Spot the pattern.

    So taking the named suspect:

    -Reported convert (still a grey area)
    -Criminal record, low level, drugs & breaching parole (confirmed criminal)
    -Authorities aware of his possible links (confirmed)

    Whilst this all remains to be confirmed its remarkably common background circumstance and would, if proven, provide a very typical view of a societal malcontent who ends up with something rather more serious going on.

    In addition the guy had his passport confiscated, reportedly he was due to travel..to the Middle East.

    A few weeks back I mentioned that IS membership and its attendant worship of violence represented the seeds of its destruction. Those seeds are fairly evident already, its a movement only incidentally related to its supposed religious fervor. In reality its a movement with its common cause in its particular violence and power rush. That will in itself lead to spin off & splinters. Add in those (already evident) who joined to find that actually the movement was nothing like promoted and it will eventually, combined with external pressure, implode.

    If you confiscate an extremist's passport, you really should be ready for them launching an attack inside the country in question as an act of revenge.
    There was this weird media obsession about passports that resulted in some deeply crazy policy. It's understandable to want to stop people entering the country, but then apparently they simultaneously want to stop them leaving...
    Presumably you want to (a) not let people go and train as terrorists and (b) not want them to come back once they are trained.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Voters in the English regions are immensely enjoying putting the three established parties through the rack at the moment, and the most obvious way to do that is by supporting UKIP.

    That would be my simple explanation for their current surge.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    AndyJS said:

    Voters in the English regions are immensely enjoying putting the three established parties through the rack at the moment, and the most obvious way to do that is by supporting UKIP.

    That would be my simple explanation for their current surge.

    Basically. That's also my theory for why they're not going anywhere in Scotland -- there's little evidence that Scottish people are particularly more pro-EU or pro-immigration, the main reason is that the SNP can vacuum up all the general none-of-the-above protest votes that are going to UKIP elsewhere.
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    Socrates said:

    AndyJS said:

    Y0kel said:

    Canada: Spot the pattern.

    So taking the named suspect:

    -Reported convert (still a grey area)
    -Criminal record, low level, drugs & breaching parole (confirmed criminal)
    -Authorities aware of his possible links (confirmed)

    Whilst this all remains to be confirmed its remarkably common background circumstance and would, if proven, provide a very typical view of a societal malcontent who ends up with something rather more serious going on.

    In addition the guy had his passport confiscated, reportedly he was due to travel..to the Middle East.

    A few weeks back I mentioned that IS membership and its attendant worship of violence represented the seeds of its destruction. Those seeds are fairly evident already, its a movement only incidentally related to its supposed religious fervor. In reality its a movement with its common cause in its particular violence and power rush. That will in itself lead to spin off & splinters. Add in those (already evident) who joined to find that actually the movement was nothing like promoted and it will eventually, combined with external pressure, implode.

    If you confiscate an extremist's passport, you really should be ready for them launching an attack inside the country in question as an act of revenge.
    There was this weird media obsession about passports that resulted in some deeply crazy policy. It's understandable to want to stop people entering the country, but then apparently they simultaneously want to stop them leaving...
    Presumably you want to (a) not let people go and train as terrorists and (b) not want them to come back once they are trained.
    it really doesn't take that much training, does it?
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Plato said:

    For anyone interested in a stocking filler - Frank's autobiog is a super read.

    AndyJS said:

    O/T:

    Canadian gunman apparently named as 32 year old Quebec-Algerian Michael Zehaf-Bibeau.

    Source: Frank Gardner, BBC News.

    Thanks Plato, I'm always looking for book recommendations.
    Roy Keane's latest autobio is an interesting read. Granted, I do have a low IQ...

    I could try it despite not being much of a football fan.
    it's by Roddy Doyle, can't be so bad
  • isam said:

    isam said:

    And so it has happened.. political nerdyness has overtaken love of football

    Lifelong Arsenal supporter, I had to work on the Liverpool match for the first 70 mins.. switched over to the Arsenal only to see us go 1-0 down... been reading PB and only just saw we won 2-1

    Happy days!

    Have you gone above West Ham? We were 4th until today
    It was a Champions League match at Anderlecht so no change in the Prem table
    That made me laugh!
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