Whether it's in accordance with the law or not, UKIP challenging the Conservatives holding a primary in Rochester would be a presentational disaster. They'd look anti-democratic and terrible losers.
Dead right which is why they won't do it. Also they know that if they start an election expenses war they'll end up the losers.
At an election I was inolved in we thought that we had "got" or opponent & we excitedly took it up with our party HQ. The response: we'll set that against claims against us when one of our people has messed up. There was no desire to take on the other party although the case was clear cut.
Rightly or wrongly, I don't think they will just drop it
While activists might be up in arms (and it may be used in the 2015 UKIP campaign in Rochester) there will not be a legal case. Not least because when further by elections are called for these kind of reasons, the challenger usually ends up both losing and looking like an are.
Whether it's in accordance with the law or not, UKIP challenging the Conservatives holding a primary in Rochester would be a presentational disaster. They'd look anti-democratic and terrible losers.
Dead right which is why they won't do it. Also they know that if they start an election expenses war they'll end up the losers.
At an election I was inolved in we thought that we had "got" or opponent & we excitedly took it up with our party HQ. The response: we'll set that against claims against us when one of our people has messed up. There was no desire to take on the other party although the case was clear cut.
Rightly or wrongly, I don't think they will just drop it
UKIP would look like a poor loser and it would open up scrutiny about the way it selects its candidates.
The Tory more would be presented as making candidate selection much more democratic. UKIP would look dumb taking any action.
"I have now consulted two of Britain’s leading experts on election law, both of whom have been involved in high profile cases. Neither wanted to be named but both believe that the primary process could open the Conservative contender to an election petition in the event of them winning."
"could open". Could. Could. Running in a marathon could give you a heart attack, too.
The extra legal bit not mentioned in the link is... Section 90ZA (3) : “for the purposes of the candidate's election” means with a view to, or otherwise in connection with, promoting or procuring the candidate's election at the election.
If the primary is just the initial stage, and not considered part of getting the candidate elected, then presumably that's ok. (But I am not a lawyer.)
How is pitching your position in an open meeting of the local electorate with the view to winning the candidacy not promoting or procuring the candidate's election? It was a primary open to everyone in the constituency and open to the local media who covered it online within minutes of it beginning and the eventual candidate pitched their campaign. It's effectively campaigning. If it had been a closed primary then they would have been free and clear but it wasn't.
By that argument, Reckless' appearance at the UKIP conference should also be counted as election expenses.
Reckless was still an MP at that point. He hadn't resigned. Until he resigned there was no election to be campaigned for.
Reckless set out his reasons for wanting to be a UKIP MP, he was campaigning for an election that he was causing. According to UKIP claims, such expenses should apply even if he only later become a candidate at the election.
Either you have the cut-off at when you become a candidate or you don't.
Reckless spoke because he was explaining why he defected. There was no requirement upon him to resign. He could have become a UKIP MP without resigning his seat. There would not have been a by election. The 'cut-off' that you talk about was his resigning (and being acknowledged by UKIP as an acceptable candidate). Clearly you don't like that reality.
"I have now consulted two of Britain’s leading experts on election law, both of whom have been involved in high profile cases. Neither wanted to be named but both believe that the primary process could open the Conservative contender to an election petition in the event of them winning."
"could open". Could. Could. Running in a marathon could give you a heart attack, too.
The extra legal bit not mentioned in the link is... .
By that argument, Reckless' appearance at the UKIP conference should also be counted as election expenses.
Reckless was still an MP at that point. He hadn't resigned. Until he resigned there was no election to be campaigned for.
Reckless set out his reasons for wanting to be a UKIP MP, he was campaigning for an election that he was causing. According to UKIP claims, such expenses should apply even if he only later become a candidate at the election.
Either you have the cut-off at when you become a candidate or you don't.
Honestly, this is one of the worst arguments I have ever read on here
Reckless was speaking in Doncaster to people who aren't eligible to vote in Rochester for a start
He was on a national stage, with timing chosen to maximize publicity for his reasons for wanting to be a UKIP MP.
I think the people of Rochester noticed.
Utter rubbish.. embarrassed for you
Which part of it do you believe is rubbish?
Every word you have written
The mere fact you are trying to make a comparison between Reckless telling people without a vote in the by election, while in Doncaster that he was going to resign from the Conservatives and the Tories bombarding constituents of Rochester and Strood with flyers, letters and invites to local halls to meet the candidates after the date had been announced is utterly ridiculous
Theyre trying to pull a fast one, it may well work, but to try and compare the two is completely silly
Leaving aside questions of artistic merit. I would expect to see a cartoon like this in the Guardian or Independent. It reminds me of similar cartoons in the 80s/90s about the Tories.
When will they (it seems I have to include OGH in "they") get it that this sort of thing just comes across as an elite trying to sneer at and put down lower orders who are trying to get above their station, and therefore just increases the vote for UKIP?
Another sign of an increasingly worried establishment.
It reminded me of the 'Tory Atlas of the World' in my Spitting Image book in the '80's.
There will be no complaints by UKIP because there's an unwritten practice that parties don't bring these actions against each other. If UKIP, with its very limited HQ resource, was to break that it would end up being the loser.
Agreed. For the reasons you and others have pointed out.
Also, I think some aggrieved Kippers on here think they have a clear-cut case, and all they have to do is complain and any Tory win will be overturned. The reality is a lot more complex, and it just wouldn't work like that at all.
TSE - where the chuffing chuff is the pig dog traitor thread so we can debate Reckless's non-political appearance at the UKIP conference which had nothing whatsoever to do with anything electoral whatsoever at all and that'd for sure siree.
He was clearly just looking for the Tory bus to take round for Team 2015 or whatever we're called and sadly lost his way.
Whether it's in accordance with the law or not, UKIP challenging the Conservatives holding a primary in Rochester would be a presentational disaster. They'd look anti-democratic and terrible losers.
Dead right which is why they won't do it. Also they know that if they start an election expenses war they'll end up the losers.
At an election I was inolved in we thought that we had "got" or opponent & we excitedly took it up with our party HQ. The response: we'll set that against claims against us when one of our people has messed up. There was no desire to take on the other party although the case was clear cut.
Rightly or wrongly, I don't think they will just drop it
UKIP would look like a poor loser and it would open up scrutiny about the way it selects its candidates.
The Tory more would be presented as making candidate selection much more democratic. UKIP would look dumb taking any action.
On the one hand I know nothing about these things, and am not offering an opinion on whether it is right or wrong, just to say from what I have seen and heard, I don't think UKIP will drop it
TSE - where the chuffing chuff is the pig dog traitor thread so we can debate Reckless's non-political appearance at the UKIP conference which had nothing whatsoever to do with anything electoral whatsoever at all and that'd for sure siree.
He was clearly just looking for the Tory bus to take round for Team 2015 or whatever we're called and sadly lost his way.
Mr Kent2014 and iSam. You have both moved completely away from the original legal point, and misrepresented my arguments. Perhaps best to leave it there.
Whether it's in accordance with the law or not, UKIP challenging the Conservatives holding a primary in Rochester would be a presentational disaster. They'd look anti-democratic and terrible losers.
Dead right which is why they won't do it. Also they know that if they start an election expenses war they'll end up the losers.
At an election I was inolved in we thought that we had "got" or opponent & we excitedly took it up with our party HQ. The response: we'll set that against claims against us when one of our people has messed up. There was no desire to take on the other party although the case was clear cut.
So, UKIP aren't supposed to hit back when downright illegal tactics are used against them? After all the dirty tricks used against them, including today?
Not everyone in the World is as spineless as you think.
TSE - where the chuffing chuff is the pig dog traitor thread so we can debate Reckless's non-political appearance at the UKIP conference which had nothing whatsoever to do with anything electoral whatsoever at all and that'd for sure siree.
He was clearly just looking for the Tory bus to take round for Team 2015 or whatever we're called and sadly lost his way.
Patience.
As in the wait for Champs League for the nation's favourite, the boys from White Hart Lane. Oy! Spurs are on their way to .... er Milton Keynes... the kings are claiming their throne/hockey stadium.
Has Douglas Carswell been able to substantiate his push polling claims.
Or is that another example of the Kipping whining we've come to know, and well know.
You're a fine one to talk about whining, that's all you've done since UKIP have become a threat to you. Apparently we are all traitors when personally I have never voted Tory in my life
Whether it's in accordance with the law or not, UKIP challenging the Conservatives holding a primary in Rochester would be a presentational disaster. They'd look anti-democratic and terrible losers.
Dead right which is why they won't do it. Also they know that if they start an election expenses war they'll end up the losers.
At an election I was inolved in we thought that we had "got" or opponent & we excitedly took it up with our party HQ. The response: we'll set that against claims against us when one of our people has messed up. There was no desire to take on the other party although the case was clear cut.
So, UKIP aren't supposed to hit back when downright illegal tactics are used against them? After all the dirty tricks used against them, including today?
Not everyone in the World is as spineless as you think.
BTW, have you sent me the e-mail as promised?
Dirty tricks and second hand UKIP policies are all the Tories have got
TSE - where the chuffing chuff is the pig dog traitor thread so we can debate Reckless's non-political appearance at the UKIP conference which had nothing whatsoever to do with anything electoral whatsoever at all and that'd for sure siree.
He was clearly just looking for the Tory bus to take round for Team 2015 or whatever we're called and sadly lost his way.
Patience.
As in the wait for Champs League for the nation's favourite, the boys from White Hart Lane. Oy! Spurs are on their way to .... er Milton Keynes... the kings are claiming their throne/hockey stadium.
If I'm honest, I'm waiting for the next poll before offering my thoughts (and my plans to campaign in Rochester)
Let's get the LibDem (non OGH) view on the Rochester game....
Stephen Tall @stephentall Top Tory priority is winning & stopping Ukip. Even if subseq legal chall from Ukip successful story'll hv moved on, they'll seem sore losers
Whether it's in accordance with the law or not, UKIP challenging the Conservatives holding a primary in Rochester would be a presentational disaster. They'd look anti-democratic and terrible losers.
Dead right which is why they won't do it. Also they know that if they start an election expenses war they'll end up the losers.
At an election I was inolved in we thought that we had "got" or opponent & we excitedly took it up with our party HQ. The response: we'll set that against claims against us when one of our people has messed up. There was no desire to take on the other party although the case was clear cut.
Rightly or wrongly, I don't think they will just drop it
UKIP would look like a poor loser and it would open up scrutiny about the way it selects its candidates.
The Tory more would be presented as making candidate selection much more democratic. UKIP would look dumb taking any action.
Only in the eyes of those already extremely prejudiced against UKIP. Tory candidate selection is hardly much more democratic. Instead of offering one pre-vetted candidate they have offered two who frankly give little variety to the electorate. Offering up almost identical clones is hardly more democratic.
As for the way UKIP selects its candidates it is similar to the way other parties select theirs so they would look as 'dumb' as the other parties. Of course UKIP has in its Euro selection made it possible for the membership to deselect previously elected candidates if they do not live up to expectations unlike certain other parties who seem to think that once selected for a position its a job for as long as they want it (so long as they don't embarrass the leadership).
Lastly of course if UKIP took action and won, with the Tory being disqualified it wouldn't be them who would look dumb.
"... on your general point re the lack of affordable homes in our capital I'm with you. ..."
If you mean reasonable homes that a young couple on normal wages can afford to buy, then that is never going to happen. Not in London and, it would increasingly seem, not in the South East. There is an ever increasing number of people chasing a limited supply.
Of the tens of thousands of homes being built on green field sites in the South East only a small proportion are aimed at the first time buyer and, at least round here, they are already out of reach of a young couple starting out who don't have a big helping hand from Mum and Dad. The rest seemed to be geared to people moving out of London.
How depressing. How long can this go on?
Trickle up is the new economic philosophy.
As the 20th century saw home ownership rise from 10% to 70% its possible that the 21st century will see the process reverse entirely.
TSE - where the chuffing chuff is the pig dog traitor thread so we can debate Reckless's non-political appearance at the UKIP conference which had nothing whatsoever to do with anything electoral whatsoever at all and that'd for sure siree.
He was clearly just looking for the Tory bus to take round for Team 2015 or whatever we're called and sadly lost his way.
Patience.
As in the wait for Champs League for the nation's favourite, the boys from White Hart Lane. Oy! Spurs are on their way to .... er Milton Keynes... the kings are claiming their throne/hockey stadium.
If I'm honest, I'm waiting for the next poll before offering my thoughts (and my plans to campaign in Rochester)
If it's close, I may make my debut as a foot soldier for the blues there too.
These EU headbangers need seeing off. I hope that won't mean I lose my vote in the people's republic of Bercow.
Plus I've got a lot riding on the Tory candidate, she's doing a brilliant job as they say....
Let's get the LibDem (non OGH) view on the Rochester game....
Stephen Tall @stephentall Top Tory priority is winning & stopping Ukip. Even if subseq legal chall from Ukip successful story'll hv moved on, they'll seem sore losers
Whether it's in accordance with the law or not, UKIP challenging the Conservatives holding a primary in Rochester would be a presentational disaster. They'd look anti-democratic and terrible losers.
Dead right which is why they won't do it. Also they know that if they start an election expenses war they'll end up the losers.
At an election I was inolved in we thought that we had "got" or opponent & we excitedly took it up with our party HQ. The response: we'll set that against claims against us when one of our people has messed up. There was no desire to take on the other party although the case was clear cut.
So, UKIP aren't supposed to hit back when downright illegal tactics are used against them? After all the dirty tricks used against them, including today?
Not everyone in the World is as spineless as you think.
BTW, have you sent me the e-mail as promised?
Dirty tricks and second hand UKIP policies are all the Tories have got
We had the EU headbangers first I think you'll find....
Whether it's in accordance with the law or not, UKIP challenging the Conservatives holding a primary in Rochester would be a presentational disaster. They'd look anti-democratic and terrible losers.
Dead right which is why they won't do it. Also they know that if they start an election expenses war they'll end up the losers.
At an election I was inolved in we thought that we had "got" or opponent & we excitedly took it up with our party HQ. The response: we'll set that against claims against us when one of our people has messed up. There was no desire to take on the other party although the case was clear cut.
So, UKIP aren't supposed to hit back when downright illegal tactics are used against them? After all the dirty tricks used against them, including today?
Not everyone in the World is as spineless as you think.
BTW, have you sent me the e-mail as promised?
Dirty tricks and second hand UKIP policies are all the Tories have got
None of this should matter, since UKIP are likely to win.
Whether it's in accordance with the law or not, UKIP challenging the Conservatives holding a primary in Rochester would be a presentational disaster. They'd look anti-democratic and terrible losers.
Dead right which is why they won't do it. Also they know that if they start an election expenses war they'll end up the losers.
At an election I was inolved in we thought that we had "got" or opponent & we excitedly took it up with our party HQ. The response: we'll set that against claims against us when one of our people has messed up. There was no desire to take on the other party although the case was clear cut.
So, UKIP aren't supposed to hit back when downright illegal tactics are used against them? After all the dirty tricks used against them, including today?
Not everyone in the World is as spineless as you think.
BTW, have you sent me the e-mail as promised?
Dirty tricks and second hand UKIP policies are all the Tories have got
It's hold on to your hats time chaps as all three main parties and most of the media try their very best to smear us. Sadly for them the public are not having it any more, in fact the more they do it the more our vote goes up.
Whether it's in accordance with the law or not, UKIP challenging the Conservatives holding a primary in Rochester would be a presentational disaster. They'd look anti-democratic and terrible losers.
Dead right which is why they won't do it. Also they know that if they start an election expenses war they'll end up the losers.
At an election I was inolved in we thought that we had "got" or opponent & we excitedly took it up with our party HQ. The response: we'll set that against claims against us when one of our people has messed up. There was no desire to take on the other party although the case was clear cut.
Rightly or wrongly, I don't think they will just drop it
UKIP would look like a poor loser and it would open up scrutiny about the way it selects its candidates.
The Tory more would be presented as making candidate selection much more democratic. UKIP would look dumb taking any action.
Lastly of course if UKIP took action and won, with the Tory being disqualified it wouldn't be them who would look dumb.
TSE - where the chuffing chuff is the pig dog traitor thread so we can debate Reckless's non-political appearance at the UKIP conference which had nothing whatsoever to do with anything electoral whatsoever at all and that'd for sure siree.
He was clearly just looking for the Tory bus to take round for Team 2015 or whatever we're called and sadly lost his way.
Patience.
As in the wait for Champs League for the nation's favourite, the boys from White Hart Lane. Oy! Spurs are on their way to .... er Milton Keynes... the kings are claiming their throne/hockey stadium.
If I'm honest, I'm waiting for the next poll before offering my thoughts (and my plans to campaign in Rochester)
If it's close, I may make my debut as a foot soldier for the blues there too.
These EU headbangers need seeing off. I hope that won't mean I lose my vote in the people's republic of Bercow.
Plus I've got a lot riding on the Tory candidate, she's doing a brilliant job as they say....
Let's get the LibDem (non OGH) view on the Rochester game....
Stephen Tall @stephentall Top Tory priority is winning & stopping Ukip. Even if subseq legal chall from Ukip successful story'll hv moved on, they'll seem sore losers
You mean Conservative Home's pet Libdem?
You mean UKIPhome... and that's normally a yellow card for even mentioning that site.
1. When UKIP uses a national conference to promote their candidate, but technically just before he resigns, then that's absolutely fine.
2. When the Tories carry out a primary between two candidates, but technically just before the candidate is chosen, then that's a heinous crime.
Glad PB could clear that one up for me.
*sarcasm face*
MarkHopkins • Posts: 626 10:10PM
Mr Kent2014 and iSam. You have both moved completely away from the original legal point, and misrepresented my arguments. Perhaps best to leave it there.
1. When UKIP uses a national conference to promote their candidate, but technically just before he resigns, then that's absolutely fine.
2. When the Tories carry out a primary between two candidates, but technically just before the candidate is chosen, then that's a heinous crime.
Glad PB could clear that one up for me.
*sarcasm face*
MarkHopkins • Posts: 626 10:10PM
Mr Kent2014 and iSam. You have both moved completely away from the original legal point, and misrepresented my arguments. Perhaps best to leave it there.
I can find my own comments without help, but thanks anyway.
If we're name dropping, I once beat Daniel Day-Lewis in an acting competition.
I met Jeremy Thorpe once. For younger readers he was a Liberal (NOT LD) Party Leader. Very charismatic!
For the avoidance of doubt, or older readers, in my cricketing days I batted right-handed and bowled right-arm spin. Not very well, but for one side only.
. That's nothing - I had him in the back of my car once ( not in that sense of course!)
Let's get the LibDem (non OGH) view on the Rochester game....
Stephen Tall @stephentall Top Tory priority is winning & stopping Ukip. Even if subseq legal chall from Ukip successful story'll hv moved on, they'll seem sore losers
You mean Conservative Home's pet Libdem?
You mean UKIPhome... and that's normally a yellow card for even mentioning that site.
Hardly UKIP Home. They spend more time blocking Kippers than they do writing articles these days. It is a very strange place these days and hardly the open forum that Tim Montgomerie first created. But all of that is irrelevant Tall is their in house Libdem commentator so likely even more prejudiced than your average Libdem.
Whether it's in accordance with the law or not, UKIP challenging the Conservatives holding a primary in Rochester would be a presentational disaster. They'd look anti-democratic and terrible losers.
Dead right which is why they won't do it. Also they know that if they start an election expenses war they'll end up the losers.
At an election I was inolved in we thought that we had "got" or opponent & we excitedly took it up with our party HQ. The response: we'll set that against claims against us when one of our people has messed up. There was no desire to take on the other party although the case was clear cut.
So, UKIP aren't supposed to hit back when downright illegal tactics are used against them? After all the dirty tricks used against them, including today?
Not everyone in the World is as spineless as you think.
BTW, have you sent me the e-mail as promised?
Dirty tricks and second hand UKIP policies are all the Tories have got
We had the EU headbangers first I think you'll find....
Or maybe first hand lib dem policies,Yep,get rid of the headbangers to finish up with the Euro-nuts.
What's the point of the tories if for not been patriotic about this country with it's policies,the EU is destroying the tory party and the euro nutters better get real.
TSE - where the chuffing chuff is the pig dog traitor thread so we can debate Reckless's non-political appearance at the UKIP conference which had nothing whatsoever to do with anything electoral whatsoever at all and that'd for sure siree.
He was clearly just looking for the Tory bus to take round for Team 2015 or whatever we're called and sadly lost his way.
Patience.
As in the wait for Champs League for the nation's favourite, the boys from White Hart Lane. Oy! Spurs are on their way to .... er Milton Keynes... the kings are claiming their throne/hockey stadium.
If I'm honest, I'm waiting for the next poll before offering my thoughts (and my plans to campaign in Rochester)
If it's close, I may make my debut as a foot soldier for the blues there too.
These EU headbangers need seeing off. I hope that won't mean I lose my vote in the people's republic of Bercow.
Plus I've got a lot riding on the Tory candidate, she's doing a brilliant job as they say....
Are you coming to the PB meet at Dirty Dicks?
Not been there in years since I left my previous 'life' - ah, good times.... not these days, I've got the deficit to reduce by £5bn with my Corporation Tax bill so that needs me spamming PB when working at my desk every night....
Wednesday's Daily Mail front page: Condemned to die by waiting list shambles #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/yH80a27fTV
Strange how the likes of the BBC who were bigging up crisis in the NHS last winter, with their counters / infrographics, seems about as interested in who is behind this as Stafford hospital or Rotherham scandals.
TSE - where the chuffing chuff is the pig dog traitor thread so we can debate Reckless's non-political appearance at the UKIP conference which had nothing whatsoever to do with anything electoral whatsoever at all and that'd for sure siree.
He was clearly just looking for the Tory bus to take round for Team 2015 or whatever we're called and sadly lost his way.
Patience.
As in the wait for Champs League for the nation's favourite, the boys from White Hart Lane. Oy! Spurs are on their way to .... er Milton Keynes... the kings are claiming their throne/hockey stadium.
If I'm honest, I'm waiting for the next poll before offering my thoughts (and my plans to campaign in Rochester)
If it's close, I may make my debut as a foot soldier for the blues there too.
These EU headbangers need seeing off. I hope that won't mean I lose my vote in the people's republic of Bercow.
Plus I've got a lot riding on the Tory candidate, she's doing a brilliant job as they say....
Are you coming to the PB meet at Dirty Dicks?
Not been there in years since I left my previous 'life' - ah, good times.... not these days, I've got the deficit to reduce by £5bn with my Corporation Tax bill so that needs me spamming PB when working at my desk every night....
You should come, I'll be able to regale you with all the headlines about Reckless I didn't use during my stint as guest editor.
Mr Kent2014 and iSam. You have both moved completely away from the original legal point, and misrepresented my arguments. Perhaps best to leave it there.
I have not moved away from my original argument at all. You claimed the conference should be included. I explained why it shouldn't. Do please show me how I misrepresented you because other than suggesting that you didn't like that argument (which you clearly don't), I made no comment about your argument. I simply refuted it.
TSE - where the chuffing chuff is the pig dog traitor thread so we can debate Reckless's non-political appearance at the UKIP conference which had nothing whatsoever to do with anything electoral whatsoever at all and that'd for sure siree.
He was clearly just looking for the Tory bus to take round for Team 2015 or whatever we're called and sadly lost his way.
Patience.
As in the wait for Champs League for the nation's favourite, the boys from White Hart Lane. Oy! Spurs are on their way to .... er Milton Keynes... the kings are claiming their throne/hockey stadium.
If I'm honest, I'm waiting for the next poll before offering my thoughts (and my plans to campaign in Rochester)
If it's close, I may make my debut as a foot soldier for the blues there too.
These EU headbangers need seeing off. I hope that won't mean I lose my vote in the people's republic of Bercow.
Plus I've got a lot riding on the Tory candidate, she's doing a brilliant job as they say....
Are you coming to the PB meet at Dirty Dicks?
Not been there in years since I left my previous 'life' - ah, good times.... not these days, I've got the deficit to reduce by £5bn with my Corporation Tax bill so that needs me spamming PB when working at my desk every night....
You should come, I'll be able to regale you with all the headlines about Reckless I didn't use during my stint as guest editor.
this however is not a good piece of news... clearly he's not seen my o/s CT bill.
BBC Newsnight ✔ @BBCNewsnight Office for Budget Responsibility's Robert Chote: "Borrowing is likely to be higher than we anticipated in the Budget" #newsnight
Wednesday's Daily Mail front page: Condemned to die by waiting list shambles #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/yH80a27fTV
Strange how the likes of the BBC who were bigging up crisis in the NHS last winter, with their counters / infrographics, seems about as interested in who is behind this as Stafford hospital or Rotherham scandals.
Maybe because the Mail Wales NHS story is full of more holes than the big black one that the English NHS has (£30bn according to Sarah Woolaston)
TSE - where the chuffing chuff is the pig dog traitor thread so we can debate Reckless's non-political appearance at the UKIP conference which had nothing whatsoever to do with anything electoral whatsoever at all and that'd for sure siree.
He was clearly just looking for the Tory bus to take round for Team 2015 or whatever we're called and sadly lost his way.
Patience.
As in the wait for Champs League for the nation's favourite, the boys from White Hart Lane. Oy! Spurs are on their way to .... er Milton Keynes... the kings are claiming their throne/hockey stadium.
If I'm honest, I'm waiting for the next poll before offering my thoughts (and my plans to campaign in Rochester)
If it's close, I may make my debut as a foot soldier for the blues there too.
These EU headbangers need seeing off. I hope that won't mean I lose my vote in the people's republic of Bercow.
Plus I've got a lot riding on the Tory candidate, she's doing a brilliant job as they say....
Are you coming to the PB meet at Dirty Dicks?
Not been there in years since I left my previous 'life' - ah, good times.... not these days, I've got the deficit to reduce by £5bn with my Corporation Tax bill so that needs me spamming PB when working at my desk every night....
You should come, I'll be able to regale you with all the headlines about Reckless I didn't use during my stint as guest editor.
You're STILL whining about Reckless? Tut tut!
When I meet Mr Reckless, I shall unto him
To the last, I will grapple with thee... from Hell's heart, I stab at thee! For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee!
TSE - where the chuffing chuff is the pig dog traitor thread so we can debate Reckless's non-political appearance at the UKIP conference which had nothing whatsoever to do with anything electoral whatsoever at all and that'd for sure siree.
He was clearly just looking for the Tory bus to take round for Team 2015 or whatever we're called and sadly lost his way.
Patience.
As in the wait for Champs League for the nation's favourite, the boys from White Hart Lane. Oy! Spurs are on their way to .... er Milton Keynes... the kings are claiming their throne/hockey stadium.
If I'm honest, I'm waiting for the next poll before offering my thoughts (and my plans to campaign in Rochester)
If it's close, I may make my debut as a foot soldier for the blues there too.
These EU headbangers need seeing off. I hope that won't mean I lose my vote in the people's republic of Bercow.
Plus I've got a lot riding on the Tory candidate, she's doing a brilliant job as they say....
Are you coming to the PB meet at Dirty Dicks?
Not been there in years since I left my previous 'life' - ah, good times.... not these days, I've got the deficit to reduce by £5bn with my Corporation Tax bill so that needs me spamming PB when working at my desk every night....
You should come, I'll be able to regale you with all the headlines about Reckless I didn't use during my stint as guest editor.
You're STILL whining about Reckless? Tut tut!
When I meet Mr Reckless, I shall unto him
To the last, I will grapple with thee... from Hell's heart, I stab at thee! For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee!
And then you blow yourself up with a Genesis torpedo???
Twitter Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft · Oct 19 A poll is a snapshot not a prediction. A poll is a snapshot not a prediction. A poll is a snapshot not a prediction. A poll is a snapshot...
TSE - where the chuffing chuff is the pig dog traitor thread so we can debate Reckless's non-political appearance at the UKIP conference which had nothing whatsoever to do with anything electoral whatsoever at all and that'd for sure siree.
He was clearly just looking for the Tory bus to take round for Team 2015 or whatever we're called and sadly lost his way.
Patience.
As in the wait for Champs League for the nation's favourite, the boys from White Hart Lane. Oy! Spurs are on their way to .... er Milton Keynes... the kings are claiming their throne/hockey stadium.
If I'm honest, I'm waiting for the next poll before offering my thoughts (and my plans to campaign in Rochester)
If it's close, I may make my debut as a foot soldier for the blues there too.
These EU headbangers need seeing off. I hope that won't mean I lose my vote in the people's republic of Bercow.
Plus I've got a lot riding on the Tory candidate, she's doing a brilliant job as they say....
Are you coming to the PB meet at Dirty Dicks?
Not been there in years since I left my previous 'life' - ah, good times.... not these days, I've got the deficit to reduce by £5bn with my Corporation Tax bill so that needs me spamming PB when working at my desk every night....
You should come, I'll be able to regale you with all the headlines about Reckless I didn't use during my stint as guest editor.
You're STILL whining about Reckless? Tut tut!
When I meet Mr Reckless, I shall unto him
To the last, I will grapple with thee... from Hell's heart, I stab at thee! For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee!
TSE - where the chuffing chuff is the pig dog traitor thread so we can debate Reckless's non-political appearance at the UKIP conference which had nothing whatsoever to do with anything electoral whatsoever at all and that'd for sure siree.
He was clearly just looking for the Tory bus to take round for Team 2015 or whatever we're called and sadly lost his way.
Patience.
As in the wait for Champs League for the nation's favourite, the boys from White Hart Lane. Oy! Spurs are on their way to .... er Milton Keynes... the kings are claiming their throne/hockey stadium.
If I'm honest, I'm waiting for the next poll before offering my thoughts (and my plans to campaign in Rochester)
If it's close, I may make my debut as a foot soldier for the blues there too.
These EU headbangers need seeing off. I hope that won't mean I lose my vote in the people's republic of Bercow.
Plus I've got a lot riding on the Tory candidate, she's doing a brilliant job as they say....
Are you coming to the PB meet at Dirty Dicks?
Not been there in years since I left my previous 'life' - ah, good times.... not these days, I've got the deficit to reduce by £5bn with my Corporation Tax bill so that needs me spamming PB when working at my desk every night....
You should come, I'll be able to regale you with all the headlines about Reckless I didn't use during my stint as guest editor.
You're STILL whining about Reckless? Tut tut!
When I meet Mr Reckless, I shall unto him
To the last, I will grapple with thee... from Hell's heart, I stab at thee! For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee!
And then you blow yourself up with a Genesis torpedo???
It's hard to know how the polls have settled post conference season with UKIP's higher than usual score and the Green's progress distorting things somewhat.
TSE - where the chuffing chuff is the pig dog traitor thread so we can debate Reckless's non-political appearance at the UKIP conference which had nothing whatsoever to do with anything electoral whatsoever at all and that'd for sure siree.
He was clearly just looking for the Tory bus to take round for Team 2015 or whatever we're called and sadly lost his way.
Patience.
As in the wait for Champs League for the nation's favourite, the boys from White Hart Lane. Oy! Spurs are on their way to .... er Milton Keynes... the kings are claiming their throne/hockey stadium.
If I'm honest, I'm waiting for the next poll before offering my thoughts (and my plans to campaign in Rochester)
If it's close, I may make my debut as a foot soldier for the blues there too.
These EU headbangers need seeing off. I hope that won't mean I lose my vote in the people's republic of Bercow.
Plus I've got a lot riding on the Tory candidate, she's doing a brilliant job as they say....
Are you coming to the PB meet at Dirty Dicks?
Not been there in years since I left my previous 'life' - ah, good times.... not these days, I've got the deficit to reduce by £5bn with my Corporation Tax bill so that needs me spamming PB when working at my desk every night....
You should come, I'll be able to regale you with all the headlines about Reckless I didn't use during my stint as guest editor.
You're STILL whining about Reckless? Tut tut!
When I meet Mr Reckless, I shall unto him
To the last, I will grapple with thee... from Hell's heart, I stab at thee! For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee!
And then you blow yourself up with a Genesis torpedo???
"The EU ‘outers’ must win hearts and minds in 2017: A Europe without Britain looks possible now, but the out campaign will need strong leadership, not Little Englanders at the helm"
Excellent article from my perspective. On principle I would prefer Britain out of Europe, but I could not stand to campaign alongside so many people with whom I majoritively and vociferously disagree.
Incredible story. But inevitable. A general and serious resentment of Muslims is now palpable, yet unspoken, like a huge underground river. You can dowse it, but not officially detect it.
I sometimes wonder at the future of Muslims in Europe. They will have to sacrifice aspects of their faith to integrate, or they will be gradually expelled. Yet theirs is a faith that will not admit to error or any kind of reform, it seems.
Grisly.
Given who I have been known to talk about now and then on these matters I am sure you wont be surprised that I think this was kind of inevitable, but even I never thought I would see the day when people openly asked for a cab driver to be of a certain colour when they ring up
We are literally back to where we were 50 years ago in terms of race relations
Incredible story. But inevitable. A general and serious resentment of Muslims is now palpable, yet unspoken, like a huge underground river. You can dowse it, but not officially detect it.
I sometimes wonder at the future of Muslims in Europe. They will have to sacrifice aspects of their faith to integrate, or they will be gradually expelled. Yet theirs is a faith that will not admit to error or any kind of reform, it seems.
Grisly.
Given who I have been known to talk about now and then on these matters I am sure you wont be surprised that I think this was kind of inevitable, but even I never thought I would see the day when people openly asked for a cab driver to be of a certain colour when they ring up
We are literally back to where we were 50 years ago in terms of race relations
Result for you and your sort then!
How far back do you and your sort want to take it?
I do love it when Labour supporters think that with around six months to go, a lead of one per cent is awesome.
You must be worried that the tories are not in at least a lead regularly and with ed miliband as leader,at least a 5 point lead ;-)
Will the tory-light kippers return ? it must be a worry ;-)
Everything is going as foretold.
Occasional Tory leads this year including with the Gold Standard.
Dave and the Tories to widen their lead on leadership and the economy.
Remember no party has ever won an election trailing on both the economy and leadership.
Could all change with osbornes numbers going astray and camerons *BIG* announcement on immigration near Christmas is just bollocks,the grand old duke of York and all that.
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The Tory more would be presented as making candidate selection much more democratic. UKIP would look dumb taking any action.
The mere fact you are trying to make a comparison between Reckless telling people without a vote in the by election, while in Doncaster that he was going to resign from the Conservatives and the Tories bombarding constituents of Rochester and Strood with flyers, letters and invites to local halls to meet the candidates after the date had been announced is utterly ridiculous
Theyre trying to pull a fast one, it may well work, but to try and compare the two is completely silly
"porno land" "mustachioed shortar*es" and many others.
Agreed. For the reasons you and others have pointed out.
Also, I think some aggrieved Kippers on here think they have a clear-cut case, and all they have to do is complain and any Tory win will be overturned. The reality is a lot more complex, and it just wouldn't work like that at all.
He was clearly just looking for the Tory bus to take round for Team 2015 or whatever we're called and sadly lost his way.
Beth Rigby ✔ @BethRigby
Reckless needs 3/5 Tories to switch, for now he has a third. Counting on lab defectors http://on.ft.com/125DVFM #FT
Mr Kent2014 and iSam. You have both moved completely away from the original legal point, and misrepresented my arguments. Perhaps best to leave it there.
In post-referendum Scotland, the SNP are polling around 40 per cent, which could hand them more than a dozen Labour seats.
http://may2015.com/featured/could-the-snp-win-25-labour-seats-in-2015/
After all the dirty tricks used against them, including today?
Not everyone in the World is as spineless as you think.
BTW, have you sent me the e-mail as promised?
Or is that another example of the Kipping whining we've come to know, and well know.
You might as well say yes will win the referendum because of the all canvass returns they've had.
Oy! Spurs are on their way to .... er Milton Keynes... the kings are claiming their throne/hockey stadium.
I thought this was supposed to be the Tories trump card.
Stephen Tall @stephentall
Top Tory priority is winning & stopping Ukip. Even if subseq legal chall from Ukip successful story'll hv moved on, they'll seem sore losers
As for the way UKIP selects its candidates it is similar to the way other parties select theirs so they would look as 'dumb' as the other parties. Of course UKIP has in its Euro selection made it possible for the membership to deselect previously elected candidates if they do not live up to expectations unlike certain other parties who seem to think that once selected for a position its a job for as long as they want it (so long as they don't embarrass the leadership).
Lastly of course if UKIP took action and won, with the Tory being disqualified it wouldn't be them who would look dumb.
1. When UKIP uses a national conference to promote their candidate, but technically just before he resigns, then that's absolutely fine.
2. When the Tories carry out a primary between two candidates, but technically just before the candidate is chosen, then that's a heinous crime.
Glad PB could clear that one up for me.
*sarcasm face*
These EU headbangers need seeing off. I hope that won't mean I lose my vote in the people's republic of Bercow.
Plus I've got a lot riding on the Tory candidate, she's doing a brilliant job as they say....
Nick Sutton ✔ @suttonnick
Wednesday's Daily Mail front page:
Condemned to die by waiting list shambles
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/yH80a27fTV
Tory. Expenses. Fraud. Illegal. Cameron's idea.
Yep, nothing damaging there.
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Mr Kent2014 and iSam. You have both moved completely away from the original legal point, and misrepresented my arguments. Perhaps best to leave it there.
Shakes head.
PS Kippers - stop whining.
I can find my own comments without help, but thanks anyway.
YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead drops to one point: CON 32%, LAB 33%, LD 8%, UKIP 16%, GRN 5%
That's nothing - I had him in the back of my car once ( not in that sense of course!)
What's the point of the tories if for not been patriotic about this country with it's policies,the EU is destroying the tory party and the euro nutters better get real.
#cleanpairofheels
The PB Tories are never wrong!
(EDIT: Or was that the other way round???)
Is this the day that multiculturalism officially died?
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/oct/21/rochdale-taxi-firm-white-drivers-on-request
Greens need to release a Calypso song to sustain their bounce.
Perhaps they should do a rap version of the 'Jolly Green giant'?
If you could ask for traditional British or Polish Catholic or Pakistani Muslim then you might have a point.
That would be fun, I don't know who'd be in first place.
You can feel it.
BBC Newsnight ✔ @BBCNewsnight
Office for Budget Responsibility's Robert Chote: "Borrowing is likely to be higher than we anticipated in the Budget" #newsnight
@suttonnick: Wednesday's Scottish Daily Mail front page:
89p NHS meal
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers http://t.co/x7kHKWv2rR
To the last, I will grapple with thee... from Hell's heart, I stab at thee! For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee!
This weeks poll average 2.0% (4 polls)
3% average lead this week looking unlikely.
Bad news for Ed is Crap Methinks
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft · Oct 19
A poll is a snapshot not a prediction. A poll is a snapshot not a prediction. A poll is a snapshot not a prediction. A poll is a snapshot...
You khan't say that!
Anyhoo, compare and contrast, in October 2012, with YouGov, every poll had Labour above 41%.
We told you then, Ed was crap, but you didn't listen.
PB Kinnocks, always wrong, never learn.
We told you Brown was a duffer, but you never listened.
And on that note, good night.
Will the tory-light kippers return ? it must be a worry ;-)
'The only way is up'
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/21/eu-outers-europe-without-britain
Excellent article from my perspective. On principle I would prefer Britain out of Europe, but I could not stand to campaign alongside so many people with whom I majoritively and vociferously disagree.
Occasional Tory leads this year including with the Gold Standard.
Dave and the Tories to widen their lead on leadership and the economy.
Remember no party has ever won an election trailing on both the economy and leadership.
One PBHodgeasm after Dave's speech, and you couldn't move for them.
Meanwhile, Labour remain in the lead and Ed is heading for No 10. As has been the case for hundreds of polls....
We are literally back to where we were 50 years ago in terms of race relations
VI Polls for show, Elections Votes for dough
Driving Labours lead? I suggest reverse gear, from the trend.
The Tories are currently divided into at least 3.
How far back do you and your sort want to take it?