Just to give everyone fair warning that the pb zoo inmates are going to be seriously rattling their cages tonight:
Alastair Stewart @alstewitn · 8m8 minutes ago .@itvnews at 6:30pm EXCLUSIVE Allegations of a large number of paedophiles, walking free in Manchester. Police know but can't or won't act.
Run and hide.
I take it you don't have kids, antifrank?
Funny how paedophilia is incredibly important when it's your political opponents involved:
Gays and Guardianistas - Roman Catholic Church Simon Danczuk - Rochdale Liberals Tory tabloids - BBC
And a "social problem" when their own favoured organisations are involved:
Peter Tatchell - Gays Guardianistas - BBC and Muslims TSE - Tory Party Labour Party - Asian Muslims
Perhaps we should not be surprised at the Mexican standoff at Westminster, but UKIP are just about to spoil all that.
'All the Tories want to do is get current MPs to vote on matters that affect their constituents, and not on matters that don't.'
When we have an hereditary head of state and a house of Lords part hereditary part appointed worrying about a few MP's being able to vote on matters that don't directly concern their constituents is beyond preposterous
Squirrel!!
The Lords can be over-ridden by the Commons (and interesting that you have an objection to the hereditories but not the equally unelected life peers), and the monarch hasn't vetoed a bill for about three centuries.
By contrast, there is a very real possibility going by current polls that the next election may result in Labour forming a majority government solely on the strength of its Scottish MPs. If it was considered unacceptable for the Conservatives to run Scotland from Westminster when the country was still a unitary state, due to only having about 1 in 7 MPs north of the border, it will be seen as much less acceptable for Scottish MPs to continually impose legislation on the English, against the wishes of English MPs.
The only reason it's not seen as much of an issue now is because it's not a current issue going on present parliamentary numbers.
'All the Tories want to do is get current MPs to vote on matters that affect their constituents, and not on matters that don't.'
When we have an hereditary head of state and a house of Lords part hereditary part appointed worrying about a few MP's being able to vote on matters that don't directly concern their constituents is beyond parody
Hopefully the SNP will help make the issue irrelevant - by robbing Labour of most of their seats in Scotland and then not voting on English only matters. Making EdM a lame duck PM.
Though I fear for the Union too.
Either way, I increasingly think it's effed. The only way to preserve the Union is to keep on ignoring the WLQ and adopt Roger's approach above. But that's going to be difficult now the Tories, as well as UKIP, are going big on it.
The crimes are similar, but no one here is deliberately being told to supress information or intimidated into not speaking up
These were the bits I thought were similar:
"How the legislation is at the moment and how public attitudes are at the moment is it’s much easier to blame the young people, to somehow think it’s their fault, they’ve brought this abuse upon themselves, they’ve been using drugs or they’ve run away from home, they’re bad children, so that’s what’s happening to them. Rather than actually turn it round and realise, no, there are a lot of adults out there who are using children for their own sexual gratification, who are abusing these children, and that’s where the focus should be, and there are more pressing, visible priorities for police."
"We wanted to ask Manchester’s Area Child Protection Committee why there appears to have been so little done to tackle the issue of teenage boys selling sex on the streets. It’s the body responsible for implementing government guidance to try to prevent the sexual exploitation of youngsters. But they refused to be interviewed or even to issue a statement. According to Tink Palmer, a former principal policy officer at the children’s charity Barnardos, Manchester’s failure to act is not untypical, and that’s an open invitation to child sex abusers."
"We wanted to ask the Association of Chief Police Officers about the questions raised by this programme, but no-one would be interviewed. A spokesman told us the chief officer who speaks on these issues wouldn’t comment because he wasn’t familiar enough with the individual cases. Those cases demonstrate that investigations aren’t getting to the perimeters of paedophile networks, or catching more offenders. It’s already difficult, costly and time-consuming police work. But critics argue that the government should make child abuse a formal national policing priority."
Note that this programme went out at exactly the time that the latest reports are saying that the Manchester police were not acting in relation to direct information.
Just to give everyone fair warning that the pb zoo inmates are going to be seriously rattling their cages tonight:
Alastair Stewart @alstewitn · 8m8 minutes ago .@itvnews at 6:30pm EXCLUSIVE Allegations of a large number of paedophiles, walking free in Manchester. Police know but can't or won't act.
Run and hide.
I take it you don't have kids, antifrank?
Funny how paedophilia is incredibly important when it's your political opponents involved:
Gays and Guardianistas - Roman Catholic Church Simon Danczuk - Rochdale Liberals Tory tabloids - BBC
And a "social problem" when their own favoured organisations are involved:
Peter Tatchell - Gays Guardianistas - BBC and Muslims TSE - Tory Party Labour Party - Asian Muslims
Perhaps we should not be surprised at the Mexican standoff at Westminster, but UKIP are just about to spoil all that.
Not before time.
This is a very astute post.
Have you not noticed that the relevant poster is always astute?
It seems to me that resigning your seat and standing for a new party creates several problems for those who want to unseat you. The main one being attacking someone they so recently endorsed. It doesn't work the opposite way -defectors seem to be able to slate their former parties with abandon.
This is a really interesting wiki page of floor crossings (apols if posted already):
I count 4 resignings of the whip and re-standing under different colours in an immediate by-elections now, 3 successful (Carswell, Lady Sylvia Hermon, Dick Taverne), one not (Bruce Douglas-Mann). That's quite a good record now.
Ed Miliband's call for a constitutional convention deals with the outstanding matters other than Scotland.After Gordon Brown powerful speech today,it is David Cameron who is playing fast and loose with Scotland's devolution proposals putting unnecessary barriers in the way of agreement and attempting to stitch-up Labour at the same time.Until Scotland's devolution,the constitutional convention will have to wait.
Just to give everyone fair warning that the pb zoo inmates are going to be seriously rattling their cages tonight:
Alastair Stewart @alstewitn · 8m8 minutes ago .@itvnews at 6:30pm EXCLUSIVE Allegations of a large number of paedophiles, walking free in Manchester. Police know but can't or won't act.
Run and hide.
I take it you don't have kids, antifrank?
Funny how paedophilia is incredibly important when it's your political opponents involved:
Gays and Guardianistas - Roman Catholic Church Simon Danczuk - Rochdale Liberals Tory tabloids - BBC
And a "social problem" when their own favoured organisations are involved:
Peter Tatchell - Gays Guardianistas - BBC and Muslims TSE - Tory Party Labour Party - Asian Muslims
Perhaps we should not be surprised at the Mexican standoff at Westminster, but UKIP are just about to spoil all that.
Not before time.
Ah, feeding time at the zoo.
Your ability to be both highly offensive and wildly inaccurate is a special knack. If you actually looked at the case that I'd linked to, you'd see that you couldn't be more wrong if you tried.
'All the Tories want to do is get current MPs to vote on matters that affect their constituents, and not on matters that don't.'
When we have an hereditary head of state and a house of Lords part hereditary part appointed worrying about a few MP's being able to vote on matters that don't directly concern their constituents is beyond parody
Well if we are talking about the House Of Lords forget the hereditaries its the fact it is stuffed full of establishment party stooges (particularly Labour). We need to purge the lot of them! That said it surprises me not that someone of the more extreme Labour tendency would happily defecate on voters democratic equality. 'Party before country' has always been Labour's motto.
jeff barker @jbarkermarine hours ago @MSmithsonPB . .another out of town UKIP activist who really doesn't understand how despised @MarkReckless is locally. ..keep dreaming buddy
'All the Tories want to do is get current MPs to vote on matters that affect their constituents, and not on matters that don't.'
When we have an hereditary head of state and a house of Lords part hereditary part appointed worrying about a few MP's being able to vote on matters that don't directly concern their constituents is beyond parody
Interesting approach - because there are other problems, there's no point in attempting to solve other problems or smaller aspects of that problem. If you cannot fix everything, why fix anything?
jeff barker @jbarkermarine hours ago @MSmithsonPB . .another out of town UKIP activist who really doesn't understand how despised @MarkReckless is locally. ..keep dreaming buddy
Oil price falls to just over $86 today. At what price are the Saudi's looking to stabalise things? $85? $80? even lower? Salmond must be glad he lost the Indy Ref.
Ed Miliband's call for a constitutional convention deals with the outstanding matters other than Scotland.After Gordon Brown powerful speech today,it is David Cameron who is playing fast and loose with Scotland's devolution proposals putting unnecessary barriers in the way of agreement and attempting to stitch-up Labour at the same time.Until Scotland's devolution,the constitutional convention will have to wait.
Transparent kicking it into the long grass. More BS. As for Brown what business has that contemptible Scot who damn near ruined this country got in sticking his foul nose in English business again. The whole point of the English question is to keep vile individuals such as he out of our business for good!
If the current HoC runs the EVEL diktat, then only the Foreign Secretary and the Defence Secretary can be non-English. Otherwise, the Minister [ including the Prime Minister ] will not be able to vote on the very policies they themselves decided.
Those who compare such an outcome with the Executive in the USA, should remember that ours is a parliamentary system of government , not a Presidential one.
In any case, is it less acceptable that elected Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish MPs [ i.e. British MPs ] votes on English matters than unelected appointees in the House of Lords ?
Which leads to the obvious conclusion: Scottish , Welsh and Northern Irish Lords should not also vote on English matters.
EVEL can work provided it is a completely different parliament.
Mr. Smithson, you are renowned as the Lord High Kipper of pb, you know.
Mr. Sykes, it may be that the UK's death warrant was effectively signed by the grinning fool Blair when he needlessly gave Scotland a referendum on devolution in an effort to create a perpetual Labour fiefdom.
We need an English Parliament. It's possible a federal balance can be found, with equality for England, Scotland and Wales (Northern Ireland is a separate case due to historical reasons).
Those who advocate either carving England into shitty little regions or simply ignoring the blatantly unjust situation which exists today and will become much worse in the near future are utterly wrong.
Just to give everyone fair warning that the pb zoo inmates are going to be seriously rattling their cages tonight:
Alastair Stewart @alstewitn · 8m8 minutes ago .@itvnews at 6:30pm EXCLUSIVE Allegations of a large number of paedophiles, walking free in Manchester. Police know but can't or won't act.
Run and hide.
I am not an obsessive poster on this issue but it is rather a serious one. Why is it appropriate to call those who do post about it a "zoo"?
And your post only makes any sense at all if you have jumped to a (probably correct) conclusion about the paedophiles in question which can in no way be directly deduced from the information given in the tweet. Why do you jump to it?
The more you think about that, the sillier your position looks.
If large numbers of paedophiles are known to be walking free in Manchester because the police can't or won't act there is every reason to be furious. We do not need to know anything more than that, do we?
Just watched BBC News.
List of consumers of child pornography in the UK from Canadian police either not passed to local forces or not acted upon.
3 regional police forces self-referred to PCC plus National Crime Agengy.
Ed Miliband's call for a constitutional convention deals with the outstanding matters other than Scotland.After Gordon Brown powerful speech today,it is David Cameron who is playing fast and loose with Scotland's devolution proposals putting unnecessary barriers in the way of agreement and attempting to stitch-up Labour at the same time.Until Scotland's devolution,the constitutional convention will have to wait.
Transparent kicking it into the long grass. !
That's true, and the outcome might well be BS, but I do actually agree with the argument that the Cameron timetable is ridiculous and a political trap, even if Labour are hardly being angels in that sense.
Oil price falls to just over $86 today. At what price are the Saudi's looking to stabalise things? $85? $80? even lower? Salmond must be glad he lost the Indy Ref.
Oil price falls to just over $86 today. At what price are the Saudi's looking to stabalise things? $85? $80? even lower? Salmond must be glad he lost the Indy Ref.
Especially since their forecasts were built on $110 oil.....
jeff barker @jbarkermarine hours ago @MSmithsonPB . .another out of town UKIP activist who really doesn't understand how despised @MarkReckless is locally. ..keep dreaming buddy
Priceless. I assume 'Barkermarine' is friends with 'Kelly'. I wonder what he thinks of the latest defectors to UKIP?
jeff barker @jbarkermarine hours ago @MSmithsonPB . .another out of town UKIP activist who really doesn't understand how despised @MarkReckless is locally. ..keep dreaming buddy
Wow!!
Haha to be fair, reading his twitter he trumps your hatred of UKIP hands down.. how could you be bothered?!
Mr. Smithson, you are renowned as the Lord High Kipper of pb, you know.
Mr. Sykes, it may be that the UK's death warrant was effectively signed by the grinning fool Blair when he needlessly gave Scotland a referendum on devolution in an effort to create a perpetual Labour fiefdom.
We need an English Parliament. It's possible a federal balance can be found, with equality for England, Scotland and Wales (Northern Ireland is a separate case due to historical reasons).
Those who advocate either carving England into shitty little regions or simply ignoring the blatantly unjust situation which exists today and will become much worse in the near future are utterly wrong.
Indeed. STV have provided a helpful commentary on today's debate in the Commons.
jeff barker @jbarkermarine hours ago @MSmithsonPB . .another out of town UKIP activist who really doesn't understand how despised @MarkReckless is locally. ..keep dreaming buddy
Wow!!
Haha to be fair, reading his twitter he trumps your hatred of UKIP hands down.. how could you be bothered?!
Can the mods confirm whether its acceptable for posters to accuse others of drooling over child abuse? Because if so, I'm happy to respond in kind to Roger...
Ed Miliband's call for a constitutional convention deals with the outstanding matters other than Scotland.After Gordon Brown powerful speech today,it is David Cameron who is playing fast and loose with Scotland's devolution proposals putting unnecessary barriers in the way of agreement and attempting to stitch-up Labour at the same time.Until Scotland's devolution,the constitutional convention will have to wait.
Transparent kicking it into the long grass. !
That's true, and the outcome might well be BS, but I do actually agree with the argument that the Cameron timetable is ridiculous and a political trap, even if Labour are hardly being angels in that sense.
Well that's Cameron all over. It's a piece of blatant opportunism just as the boundary changes were. However, it was not Cameron who set the trap. It was Tony Blair who had a habit of laying minefields in his own backyard for his own party to deal with after his departure . There is no question this is Labour's fault. Therefore in my view its fair game for the Tories to take Labour to task over it at a time and date that they prefer.
That said I do not particularly support EV4EL. It is a quarter measure that does not get to the bottom of the issue but it does no harm and further would expose the absurd decision Labour made when implementing the devolution act. That they continue to prevaricate and obfuscate over the issue only acts as further indictment to their self indulgence and incompetence. I hope it hurts Miliband and his party greatly!
Can the mods confirm whether its acceptable for posters to accuse others of drooling over child abuse? Because if so, I'm happy to respond in kind to Roger...
Speaking as a poster here - you appear to be, by definition, on the team, Nimionoz sp. has chosen to not yet confirm.
Can the mods confirm whether its acceptable for posters to accuse others of drooling over child abuse? Because if so, I'm happy to respond in kind to Roger...
It must be ok, because Roger, Hugh and tim have all said it without being banned
Just to give everyone fair warning that the pb zoo inmates are going to be seriously rattling their cages tonight:
Alastair Stewart @alstewitn · 8m8 minutes ago .@itvnews at 6:30pm EXCLUSIVE Allegations of a large number of paedophiles, walking free in Manchester. Police know but can't or won't act.
Run and hide.
I take it you don't have kids, antifrank?
Funny how paedophilia is incredibly important when it's your political opponents involved:
Gays and Guardianistas - Roman Catholic Church Simon Danczuk - Rochdale Liberals Tory tabloids - BBC
And a "social problem" when their own favoured organisations are involved:
Peter Tatchell - Gays Guardianistas - BBC and Muslims TSE - Tory Party Labour Party - Asian Muslims
Perhaps we should not be surprised at the Mexican standoff at Westminster, but UKIP are just about to spoil all that.
Can the mods confirm whether its acceptable for posters to accuse others of drooling over child abuse? Because if so, I'm happy to respond in kind to Roger...
It must be ok, because Roger, Hugh and tim have all said it without being banned
I'm holding my tongue while I wait for the moderators to act, or neglect to as the case maybe.
"Interesting approach - because there are other problems, there's no point in attempting to solve other problems or smaller aspects of that problem. If you cannot fix everything, why fix anything?"
Well I don't see it as a problem but the only arguments I've ever seen for keeping our hereditary head of state is that the alternative would be .....Tony Blair or someone else no one likes or 'if it ain't broke don't fix it'.
Well relative to an hereditary head of state allowing 40 Scottish MP's to act as representatives of the the whole UK whether or not there is another authority in Scotland that controls some Scottish only matters seems very small beer and equally the argument 'if it aint broke' stands again.
jeff barker @jbarkermarine hours ago @MSmithsonPB . .another out of town UKIP activist who really doesn't understand how despised @MarkReckless is locally. ..keep dreaming buddy
"Interesting approach - because there are other problems, there's no point in attempting to solve other problems or smaller aspects of that problem. If you cannot fix everything, why fix anything?"
Well I don't see it as a problem but the only arguments I've ever seen for keeping our hereditary head of state is that the alternative would be .....Tony Blair or someone else no one likes or 'if it ain't broke don't fix it'.
Well relative to an hereditary head of state allowing 40 Scottish MP's to act as representatives of the the whole UK whether or not there is another authority in Scotland that controls some Scottish only matters seems very small beer and equally the argument 'if it aint broke' stands again.
The House of Commons wields far greater power than the Queen does.
jeff barker @jbarkermarine hours ago @MSmithsonPB . .another out of town UKIP activist who really doesn't understand how despised @MarkReckless is locally. ..keep dreaming buddy
Jeff Barker is a fruitcake.
No kippers are fruitcakes. Tory party activists and supporters are 'Swivel-Eyed Nutters'. Such etiquette is very important to the Eton Trifles.......
Can the mods confirm whether its acceptable for posters to accuse others of drooling over child abuse? Because if so, I'm happy to respond in kind to Roger...
Speaking as a poster here - you appear to be, by definition, on the team, Nimionoz sp. has chosen to not yet confirm.
Could we all just choose to leave it at that??
I'm sorry, but I really don't understand your sentence.
"Interesting approach - because there are other problems, there's no point in attempting to solve other problems or smaller aspects of that problem. If you cannot fix everything, why fix anything?"
Well I don't see it as a problem but the only arguments I've ever seen for keeping our hereditary head of state is that the alternative would be .....Tony Blair or someone else no one likes or 'if it ain't broke don't fix it'.
Well relative to an hereditary head of state allowing 40 Scottish MP's to act as representatives of the the whole UK whether or not there is another authority in Scotland that controls some Scottish only matters seems very small beer and equally the argument 'if it aint broke' stands again.
Maybe it is small beer, so what? If anything that means it should be easier to resolve and perhaps even spearhead a wider conversation about the larger issues. I've no issue with anyone thinking the matter unimportant - I can hardly argue otherwise when I don't have a solution at hand - many matters, most even, undertaken by government are unimportant to most people. That doesn't mean it is imperative this particular issue be resolved, but it's not an argument that we shouldn't do it because other people think other particular matters are more vital. We'll never agree on priorities, as an entire nation, and if something comes up and has its moment, it might as well be seized while it can be tackled.
Two US people killed in Riyadh. Apparently defence contractors. We await to see who claims it.
Just looked at a situation map for Kobani, If accurate the Kurds and FSA forces are under greater territorial pressure than ever with the availablilty of the Southern leg of the town that could have acted as a pivot for a right hook movement now looking to have been lost. Out in the Western pocket where the YPG still hold sway they have recaptured some hill territory. What it does do is provides essentially a high point of a thumb thickness route west of the town, skirting the Turkish border, either for resupply or escape. Onl;y problem right now is that IS main attack is coming from the east through the town.
In Iraq, the US are very very focussed on Baghdad airport. That goes, they have lost a critical air escape route for their people in the city. Other options will be chopper or overland but are frankly way more messy. Though the city itself is probably under existential threat, the US will be doing as much its allowed to to ensure that airport is kept safe.
Ramadi, the city that I mentioned was a key IS target over a month ago looks to be largely in their hands.
jeff barker @jbarkermarine hours ago @MSmithsonPB . .another out of town UKIP activist who really doesn't understand how despised @MarkReckless is locally. ..keep dreaming buddy
If Mr Barker is representative of the supporters Dave has working for him in Rochester, UKIP are home and hosed.
Two US people killed in Riyadh. Apparently defence contractors. We await to see who claims it.
Just looked at a situation map for Kobani, If accurate the Kurds and FSA forces are under greater territorial pressure than ever with the availablilty of the Southern leg of the town that could have acted as a pivot for a right hook movement now looking to have been lost. Out in the Western pocket where the YPG still hold sway they have recaptured some hill territory. What it does do is provides essentially a high point of a thumb thickness route west of the town, skirting the Turkish border, either for resupply or escape. Onl;y problem right now is that IS main attack is coming from the east through the town.
In Iraq, the US are very very focussed on Baghdad airport. That goes, they have lost a critical air escape route for their people in the city. Other options will be chopper or overland but are frankly way more messy. Though the city itself is probably under existential threat, the US will be doing as much its allowed to to ensure that airport is kept safe.
Ramadi, the city that I mentioned was a key IS target over a month ago looks to be largely in their hands.
That’s really frightening, Mr YOkel. Particularly from someone who clearly knows what they are talking about. Looks like we might almost be back to a Fall of Saigon situation.
Having said that, appalling though tne thought is, wholesale butchery of American citizens might bring the US in “properly”! With all tjhat that implies!
Thinking about whether the Greens warrant inclusion in the TV debates led me to look back on the 20 Westminster by-elections we have had this Parliament. Some statistics then:
Listed in descending order of best vote share: Sinn Fein: 70.6% Belfast W Labour: 69.1% Manchester C Respect: 55.9% Bradford W Conservative: 45.0% Newark UKIP: 59.7% Clacton independents: 34.4% Mid Ulster (candidate supported by DUP/UUP/TUV); best other 5.4% South Shields SNP: 33.0% Inverclyde LibDem: 31.1% Eastleigh SDLP: 17.4% Mid-Ulster Plaid Cymru: 9.5% Cardiff C BNP: 8.4% Rotherham People Before Profit: 7.6% Belfast W DUP: 6.1% Belfast W
No other parties ever saved their deposits. The best other performances were:
Green: 4.1% Cardiff C English Democrats: 3.3% Rotherham
No-one else topped 2%.
Listed in descending order of best position: Labour: 1st (many) Sinn Fein: 1st (twice) Respect: 1st Bradford W Conservative: 1st Newark UKIP: 1st Clacton LibDem: 1st Eastleigh independents: 2nd Mid Ulster (candidate supported by DUP/UUP/TUV); best other 4th SNP: 2nd Inverclyde SDLP: 2nd Belfast W People Before Profit: 3rd Belfast W BNP: 3rd Rotherham Plaid Cymru: 4th Cardiff C Green: 4th Clacton DUP: 4th Belfast W Alliance: 4th Mid-Ulster (out of 4) Monster Raving Loony: 5th Leicester S (out of 5) English Democrats: 6th (twice)
"Interesting approach - because there are other problems, there's no point in attempting to solve other problems or smaller aspects of that problem. If you cannot fix everything, why fix anything?"
Well I don't see it as a problem but the only arguments I've ever seen for keeping our hereditary head of state is that the alternative would be .....Tony Blair or someone else no one likes or 'if it ain't broke don't fix it'.
Well relative to an hereditary head of state allowing 40 Scottish MP's to act as representatives of the the whole UK whether or not there is another authority in Scotland that controls some Scottish only matters seems very small beer and equally the argument 'if it aint broke' stands again.
Maybe it is small beer, so what? If anything that means it should be easier to resolve and perhaps even spearhead a wider conversation about the larger issues. I've no issue with anyone thinking the matter unimportant - I can hardly argue otherwise when I don't have a solution at hand - many matters, most even, undertaken by government are unimportant to most people. That doesn't mean it is imperative this particular issue be resolved, but it's not an argument that we shouldn't do it because other people think other particular matters are more vital. We'll never agree on priorities, as an entire nation, and if something comes up and has its moment, it might as well be seized while it can be tackled.
Well said though I would go further
Polling shows there is definitely a desire to resolve this issue. Few people favour the status quo when it comes to the English question..
However, I'd like to see the mandate for questioning whether we have a hereditary head of state or not. Frankly such distractions are puerile and invented solely to obfuscate the issue at hand.
Worst performances of the main parties in vote share (exc. NI where none of these parties stood): Conservative: 4.5% Manchester C Labour: 9.8% Eastleigh UKIP: 1.0% Inverclyde LibDem: 1.4% South Shields & Clacton Green: 1.1% Corby, but did not stand in numerous contests Respect: 1.1% Manchester C, but did not stand in numerous contests BNP: 1.7% Corby, but did not stand in numerous contests English Democrats: 0.1%, but did not stand in numerous contests (SNP and PC were only in one contest each, so not listed)
Worst performances of the main parties in position (exc. NI where none of these parties stood): Conservative: 5th Rotherham Labour: 4th Eastleigh UKIP: 5th (thrice) LibDem: 8th Rotherham Green: 7th Corby, but did not stand in numerous contests Respect: 9th Manchester C, but did not stand in numerous contests BNP: 6th (four times), but did not stand in numerous contests English Democrats: 12th Eastleigh, but did not stand in numerous contests (SNP and PC were only in one contest each, so not listed)
Changes in vote share: Best/worst Labour: +16.4% Manchester C/-20.3% Bradford W Conservative: -2.1% Inverclyde/-28.4% Clacton UKIP: +59.7% Clacton/-0.2% Inverclyde LibDem: +0.3% Oldham E/-18.5% Newark Green: +3.1% Wythenshawe and Heywood/-0.8% Bradford W
jeff barker @jbarkermarine hours ago @MSmithsonPB . .another out of town UKIP activist who really doesn't understand how despised @MarkReckless is locally. ..keep dreaming buddy
Jeff Barker is a fruitcake.
No kippers are fruitcakes. Tory party activists and supporters are 'Swivel-Eyed Nutters'. Such etiquette is very important to the Eton Trifles.......
Thank you for your precision. It seems that Reckless was wise to move his family to a place of safety while the likes of Barker are at large and energized.
So we have at least 250 child rapists in Rotherham (as per the information from one witness), "hundreds" of child rapists walking the streets in Manchester, a Rochdale investigation underway that needs to report at some point, and about 20 other towns where similar abuse has gone on. At what point is there a national government response? Don't MPs reading these stories have a twinge of moral responsibility in needing to address this?
I ask anyone in a position of influence reading this post to consider what it must be like to be a young teens crying herself to sleep at night after being gang raped, threatened at knife point, beaten up and knowing that more was to come with no end in sight and no one willing to step in. If you are a male and for some reason can't empathise with a member of the opposite sex, imagine instead it was your sister or daughter. Now realise that you are in a position of influence and you're capable of writing to a cabinet minister, or bringing it up in your next conversation, and using everything in your power to compel them to act. I know you all have one eye on your promotion prospects and might not want to rock the boat, thinking it's someone else's area, but surely if there's any reason you've gone into politics, it's to prevent evil and protect the innocent.
The crimes are similar, but no one here is deliberately being told to supress information or intimidated into not speaking up
These were the bits I thought were similar:
"How the legislation is at the moment and how public attitudes are at the moment is it’s much easier to blame the young people, to somehow think it’s their fault, they’ve brought this abuse upon themselves, they’ve been using drugs or they’ve run away from home, they’re bad children, so that’s what’s happening to them. Rather than actually turn it round and realise, no, there are a lot of adults out there who are using children for their own sexual gratification, who are abusing these children, and that’s where the focus should be, and there are more pressing, visible priorities for police."
"We wanted to ask Manchester’s Area Child Protection Committee why there appears to have been so little done to tackle the issue of teenage boys selling sex on the streets. It’s the body responsible for implementing government guidance to try to prevent the sexual exploitation of youngsters. But they refused to be interviewed or even to issue a statement. According to Tink Palmer, a former principal policy officer at the children’s charity Barnardos, Manchester’s failure to act is not untypical, and that’s an open invitation to child sex abusers."
"We wanted to ask the Association of Chief Police Officers about the questions raised by this programme, but no-one would be interviewed. A spokesman told us the chief officer who speaks on these issues wouldn’t comment because he wasn’t familiar enough with the individual cases. Those cases demonstrate that investigations aren’t getting to the perimeters of paedophile networks, or catching more offenders. It’s already difficult, costly and time-consuming police work. But critics argue that the government should make child abuse a formal national policing priority."
Note that this programme went out at exactly the time that the latest reports are saying that the Manchester police were not acting in relation to direct information.
Hmm well something is rotten there and no mistaking, but I don't think they were looking the other so much here, as with the unmentionable cases, as two of the main men were locked up ten years ago.
Two US people killed in Riyadh. Apparently defence contractors. We await to see who claims it.
Just looked at a situation map for Kobani, If accurate the Kurds and FSA forces are under greater territorial pressure than ever with the availablilty of the Southern leg of the town that could have acted as a pivot for a right hook movement now looking to have been lost. Out in the Western pocket where the YPG still hold sway they have recaptured some hill territory. What it does do is provides essentially a high point of a thumb thickness route west of the town, skirting the Turkish border, either for resupply or escape. Onl;y problem right now is that IS main attack is coming from the east through the town.
In Iraq, the US are very very focussed on Baghdad airport. That goes, they have lost a critical air escape route for their people in the city. Other options will be chopper or overland but are frankly way more messy. Though the city itself is probably under existential threat, the US will be doing as much its allowed to to ensure that airport is kept safe.
Ramadi, the city that I mentioned was a key IS target over a month ago looks to be largely in their hands.
That’s really frightening, Mr YOkel. Particularly from someone who clearly knows what they are talking about. Looks like we might almost be back to a Fall of Saigon situation.
Having said that, appalling though tne thought is, wholesale butchery of American citizens might bring the US in “properly”! With all tjhat that implies!
End of days stuff!
The US was "in" before too ! 200,000 of them What happened ?
Oil price falls to just over $86 today. At what price are the Saudi's looking to stabalise things? $85? $80? even lower? Salmond must be glad he lost the Indy Ref.
Just to give everyone fair warning that the pb zoo inmates are going to be seriously rattling their cages tonight:
Alastair Stewart @alstewitn · 8m8 minutes ago .@itvnews at 6:30pm EXCLUSIVE Allegations of a large number of paedophiles, walking free in Manchester. Police know but can't or won't act.
Run and hide.
I take it you don't have kids, antifrank?
Funny how paedophilia is incredibly important when it's your political opponents involved:
Gays and Guardianistas - Roman Catholic Church Simon Danczuk - Rochdale Liberals Tory tabloids - BBC
And a "social problem" when their own favoured organisations are involved:
Peter Tatchell - Gays Guardianistas - BBC and Muslims TSE - Tory Party Labour Party - Asian Muslims
Perhaps we should not be surprised at the Mexican standoff at Westminster, but UKIP are just about to spoil all that.
Not before time.
This is a very astute post.
Have you not noticed that the relevant poster is always astute?
Thinking about whether the Greens warrant inclusion in the TV debates led me to look back on the 20 Westminster by-elections we have had this Parliament. Some statistics then:
Listed in descending order of best vote share: Sinn Fein: 70.6% Belfast W Labour: 69.1% Manchester C Respect: 55.9% Bradford W Conservative: 45.0% Newark UKIP: 59.7% Clacton independents: 34.4% Mid Ulster (candidate supported by DUP/UUP/TUV); best other 5.4% South Shields SNP: 33.0% Inverclyde LibDem: 31.1% Eastleigh SDLP: 17.4% Mid-Ulster Plaid Cymru: 9.5% Cardiff C BNP: 8.4% Rotherham People Before Profit: 7.6% Belfast W DUP: 6.1% Belfast W
No other parties ever saved their deposits. The best other performances were:
Green: 4.1% Cardiff C English Democrats: 3.3% Rotherham
No-one else topped 2%.
Listed in descending order of best position: Labour: 1st (many) Sinn Fein: 1st (twice) Respect: 1st Bradford W Conservative: 1st Newark UKIP: 1st Clacton LibDem: 1st Eastleigh independents: 2nd Mid Ulster (candidate supported by DUP/UUP/TUV); best other 4th SNP: 2nd Inverclyde SDLP: 2nd Belfast W People Before Profit: 3rd Belfast W BNP: 3rd Rotherham Plaid Cymru: 4th Cardiff C Green: 4th Clacton DUP: 4th Belfast W Alliance: 4th Mid-Ulster (out of 4) Monster Raving Loony: 5th Leicester S (out of 5) English Democrats: 6th (twice)
I think you would be better advised aggregating vote totals. 69.1% vote share on an 18% turnout doesn't amount to much! Nor do those positions. I'd shorten it to the last two years as well. Politics has moved on from what it was 4 years ago.
Oil price falls to just over $86 today. At what price are the Saudi's looking to stabalise things? $85? $80? even lower? Salmond must be glad he lost the Indy Ref.
Just to give everyone fair warning that the pb zoo inmates are going to be seriously rattling their cages tonight:
Alastair Stewart @alstewitn · 8m8 minutes ago .@itvnews at 6:30pm EXCLUSIVE Allegations of a large number of paedophiles, walking free in Manchester. Police know but can't or won't act.
Run and hide.
I am not an obsessive poster on this issue but it is rather a serious one. Why is it appropriate to call those who do post about it a "zoo"?
And your post only makes any sense at all if you have jumped to a (probably correct) conclusion about the paedophiles in question which can in no way be directly deduced from the information given in the tweet. Why do you jump to it?
The more you think about that, the sillier your position looks.
If large numbers of paedophiles are known to be walking free in Manchester because the police can't or won't act there is every reason to be furious. We do not need to know anything more than that, do we?
Just watched BBC News.
List of consumers of child pornography in the UK from Canadian police either not passed to local forces or not acted upon.
3 regional police forces self-referred to PCC plus National Crime Agengy.
Generally speaking, I don't think the barely-concealed bigotry and obsessive racism streaked through UKIP will do them any favours in the long run.
They're reached a level now, they've got a chance to play with the big boys. If they and their supporters want to make genuine inroads they should probably tone it down, perhaps get some sane and sellable policies on other issues like economics too.
Though the lessons of far-right populist parties throughout history is mixed on this, I suppose.
Just to give everyone fair warning that the pb zoo inmates are going to be seriously rattling their cages tonight:
Alastair Stewart @alstewitn · 8m8 minutes ago .@itvnews at 6:30pm EXCLUSIVE Allegations of a large number of paedophiles, walking free in Manchester. Police know but can't or won't act.
Run and hide.
I am not an obsessive poster on this issue but it is rather a serious one. Why is it appropriate to call those who do post about it a "zoo"?
And your post only makes any sense at all if you have jumped to a (probably correct) conclusion about the paedophiles in question which can in no way be directly deduced from the information given in the tweet. Why do you jump to it?
The more you think about that, the sillier your position looks.
If large numbers of paedophiles are known to be walking free in Manchester because the police can't or won't act there is every reason to be furious. We do not need to know anything more than that, do we?
Just watched BBC News.
List of consumers of child pornography in the UK from Canadian police either not passed to local forces or not acted upon.
3 regional police forces self-referred to PCC plus National Crime Agengy.
Which the protect-the-children UKIPper crowd on PB have been oddly silent about. I wonder why?
I only just read about it today. If there's evidence there's a broader problem beyond this one case and no action to address it, I can assure you I'll make a big deal about it.
As far as the pair of you are concerned, I want you both to skip over each others posts, and not respond.
Roger was not responding to my post. Out of nowhere he called me a racist, when I was not engaging with him. Why am I now being censored? You're taking action against the innocent party and the guilty party alike here.
Oil price falls to just over $86 today. At what price are the Saudi's looking to stabalise things? $85? $80? even lower? Salmond must be glad he lost the Indy Ref.
They're trying to put Russia out of business.
So how do you see the Russians responding?
I suspect the same way they have to the US ripping asunder the post-Cold war settlement and driving their metaphorical tanks right up to Russia's doorstep aiming to provoke all out conflict -with admirable restraint.
Russia and China of course are trying to put the US out of business, by dumping the dollar in international transactions. It's BRICS vs. the US -the multi-polar world vs. US hegemony.
F1: from the BBC gossip column, Mercedes (having just won the Constructors' title) is to give every one of its 700 odd employees (including cleaners and catering staff) a bonus of at least £10,000.
Don't interact with one another, directly or indirectly.
Of course. Your site, Mr "PB Mod"
Isam is still a liar though for his post about me below.
Hugh • Posts: 831 August 31 We desperately need someone to get a grip at the top, to allow us all to get a grip on our country.Racists, anti-immigration obsessives and Powellites have been salivating at this, and on PB we have seen some posters excitedly pushing their nasty, narrow agenda for days now.
It's about far, far more than that. And the victims deserve better than this kind of vile trash
OKC As I posted below Iranian government already posting pictures of Iranian Rev Guard Commanders with Iraqi forces. Shia militias also started massacring Sunnis. Iraq is 1/3 Sunni, 2/3 Shia, in a bloodbath much of the country will be killed but the Shias would win, I suggest at that stage we leave them to it!
For some reason Vanilla won't let me post the Youtube clip, but has anyone seen the 'was the Heywood by-election fixed' clip, try to post a link please someone.
Storm in a tea cup but a pretty stupid thing for the Mayoress to say
As far as the pair of you are concerned, I want you both to skip over each others posts, and not respond.
Roger was not responding to my post. Out of nowhere he called me a racist, when I was not engaging with him. Why am I now being censored? You're taking action against the innocent party and the guilty party alike here.
As always
I reacted to someone graphically depicting an abortion, after I had asked them not to describe events using that term (I wonder why?) earlier this month, by swearing, and I got banned without warning, while they didn't even get spoken to
Just to give everyone fair warning that the pb zoo inmates are going to be seriously rattling their cages tonight:
Alastair Stewart @alstewitn · 8m8 minutes ago .@itvnews at 6:30pm EXCLUSIVE Allegations of a large number of paedophiles, walking free in Manchester. Police know but can't or won't act.
Run and hide.
I am not an obsessive poster on this issue but it is rather a serious one. Why is it appropriate to call those who do post about it a "zoo"?
And your post only makes any sense at all if you have jumped to a (probably correct) conclusion about the paedophiles in question which can in no way be directly deduced from the information given in the tweet. Why do you jump to it?
The more you think about that, the sillier your position looks.
If large numbers of paedophiles are known to be walking free in Manchester because the police can't or won't act there is every reason to be furious. We do not need to know anything more than that, do we?
Just watched BBC News.
List of consumers of child pornography in the UK from Canadian police either not passed to local forces or not acted upon.
3 regional police forces self-referred to PCC plus National Crime Agengy.
Which the protect-the-children UKIPper crowd on PB have been oddly silent about. I wonder why?
I only just read about it today. If there's evidence there's a broader problem beyond this one case and no action to address it, I can assure you I'll make a big deal about it.
Well, I've posted about it on here a fair few times. Imagine being one of the *800* families written to, saying your child *might* have been abused.
We need to get to understand these failures and correct them, rather than scapegoat people because of ethnicity or religion.
Fascinating stuff in the Evening Standard tonight. Apparently Carswell told his former constituency chairman that UKIP were 'bonkers' but not to worry because he could 'change them'. So the remarks I made about entryism the other week were prognosticative. Carswell intends to remake UKIP from within in his own image. The only question remaining is what does he do with some of the fruitier members and Nigel. It'll be interesting so see how Carswell's project turns out!
Generally speaking, I don't think the barely-concealed bigotry and obsessive racism streaked through UKIP will do them any favours in the long run.
They're reached a level now, they've got a chance to play with the big boys. If they and their supporters want to make genuine inroads they should probably tone it down, perhaps get some sane and sellable policies on other issues like economics too.
Though the lessons of far-right populist parties throughout history is mixed on this, I suppose.
In the real world, the one in which the Labour core vote live, it's called reality.
Fascinating stuff in the Evening Standard tonight. Apparently Carswell told his former constituency chairman that UKIP were 'bonkers' but not to worry because he could 'change them'. So the remarks I made about entryism the other week were prognosticative. Carswell intends to remake UKIP from within in his own image. The only question remaining is what does he do with some of the fruitier members and Nigel. It'll be interesting so see how Carswell's project turns out!
His former constituency chairman is a Tory I presume, case dismissed
For some reason Vanilla won't let me post the Youtube clip, but has anyone seen the 'was the Heywood by-election fixed' clip, try to post a link please someone.
Storm in a tea cup but a pretty stupid thing for the Mayoress to say
Just to give everyone fair warning that the pb zoo inmates are going to be seriously rattling their cages tonight:
Alastair Stewart @alstewitn · 8m8 minutes ago .@itvnews at 6:30pm EXCLUSIVE Allegations of a large number of paedophiles, walking free in Manchester. Police know but can't or won't act.
Run and hide.
I take it you don't have kids, antifrank?
Funny how paedophilia is incredibly important when it's your political opponents involved:
Gays and Guardianistas - Roman Catholic Church Simon Danczuk - Rochdale Liberals Tory tabloids - BBC
And a "social problem" when their own favoured organisations are involved:
Peter Tatchell - Gays Guardianistas - BBC and Muslims TSE - Tory Party Labour Party - Asian Muslims
Perhaps we should not be surprised at the Mexican standoff at Westminster, but UKIP are just about to spoil all that.
Not before time.
This is a very astute post.
Have you not noticed that the relevant poster is always astute?
I never appreciated that stute is a synonym for simpleton bigot, but there you go.
Generally speaking, I don't think the barely-concealed bigotry and obsessive racism streaked through UKIP will do them any favours in the long run.
They're reached a level now, they've got a chance to play with the big boys. If they and their supporters want to make genuine inroads they should probably tone it down, perhaps get some sane and sellable policies on other issues like economics too.
Though the lessons of far-right populist parties throughout history is mixed on this, I suppose.
It's really come to something when a Labour supporter argues on the economy.
"Fascinating stuff in the Evening Standard tonight. Apparently Carswell told his former constituency chairman that UKIP were 'bonkers' but not to worry because he could 'change them"
Raises rather more questions than it answers though don't you think?
Fascinating stuff in the Evening Standard tonight. Apparently Carswell told his former constituency chairman that UKIP were 'bonkers' but not to worry because he could 'change them'. So the remarks I made about entryism the other week were prognosticative. Carswell intends to remake UKIP from within in his own image. The only question remaining is what does he do with some of the fruitier members and Nigel. It'll be interesting so see how Carswell's project turns out!
Are you going to provide a link with that or should we assume you are just another facile troll
Fascinating stuff in the Evening Standard tonight. Apparently Carswell told his former constituency chairman that UKIP were 'bonkers' but not to worry because he could 'change them'. So the remarks I made about entryism the other week were prognosticative. Carswell intends to remake UKIP from within in his own image. The only question remaining is what does he do with some of the fruitier members and Nigel. It'll be interesting so see how Carswell's project turns out!
I had entirely forgotten, until my wife reminded me, that I was in classes at university with Carswell. Jointly, our memory of him is the bizarre jaw thing, the very young wearing of tweed and some no more than ok papers. Nothing else. A young fogey out of place. I've no doubt he thinks well of me....
Generally speaking, I don't think the barely-concealed bigotry and obsessive racism streaked through UKIP will do them any favours in the long run.
They're reached a level now, they've got a chance to play with the big boys. If they and their supporters want to make genuine inroads they should probably tone it down, perhaps get some sane and sellable policies on other issues like economics too.
Though the lessons of far-right populist parties throughout history is mixed on this, I suppose.
It's really come to something when a Labour supporter argues on the economy.
Given the 'Policies for people' page his assertions are nothing more than fetid flatulence. I doubt he will be in favour of scrapping the Labour part of the Bedroom Tax though.
Regarding the paedophile doctor with, possibly, 800 potential victims - even the articles JJ linked to made it clear that none of this man's colleagues knew what was going on:
"Detective Superintendent Gary Ridgway said the devious medic "groomed" colleagues to keep his abuse secret.
He said: "This man worked very hard to cultivate the environment to abuse young people.
"I make no criticism of his colleagues at all for not knowing what was happening.""
This isn't about a cover-up or about crimes being ignored because of the cultural or ethnic background of the perpetrator and a fear of "rocking the multi-cultural boat". Hardly comparable, really.
Shame that so many here apparently see any discussion of the happenings in Rotherham as being motivated by racism or "islamophobia". Fear of being seen as racist or "islamophobic" played a large part in allowing thes crimes to go on for so long with no action being taken, as has been widely reported. Seems such fears were by no means misplaced.
For some reason Vanilla won't let me post the Youtube clip, but has anyone seen the 'was the Heywood by-election fixed' clip, try to post a link please someone.
Storm in a tea cup but a pretty stupid thing for the Mayoress to say
Thanks but that's not the one, the Mayoress whispers 'it would have been that result whatever it said', on the clip I saw it is highlighted over and over
Probably nothing but it has been reported to the Electoral Commission and the Police
Regarding the paedophile doctor with, possibly, 800 potential victims - even the articles JJ linked to made it clear that none of this man's colleagues knew what was going on:
"Detective Superintendent Gary Ridgway said the devious medic "groomed" colleagues to keep his abuse secret.
He said: "This man worked very hard to cultivate the environment to abuse young people.
"I make no criticism of his colleagues at all for not knowing what was happening.""
This isn't about a cover-up or about crimes being ignored because of the cultural or ethnic background of the perpetrator and a fear of "rocking the multi-cultural boat". Hardly comparable, really.
Shame that so many here apparently see any discussion of the happenings in Rotherham as being motivated by racism or "islamophobia". Fear of being seen as racist or "islamophobic" played a large part in allowing thes crimes to go on for so long with no action being taken, as has been widely reported. Seems such fears were by no means misplaced.
Did I say they did? (And a good job too, for OGH's legal safety),.
They are comparable: it is only incomparable if you take the attitude that what matters is "cultural or ethnic background" of the perpetrators.
As you evidently do.
What matters is that clear warning signs in such cases were missed for too long. As it is infeasible to stop such a criminal before they strike, the important thing is to ensure that when they strike, and it becomes knowledge to family, friends, or the authorities, that such knowledge is acted on, fairly to all parties. (Edit: even if, as in the Bradbury case, it is was vague information. It should have been investigated, particularly considering the risk factor of him being a doctor).
If you looks at my posting history on here, you will see I have posted many times about abuse regardless of perpetrator's race or religions, or victim's race and sex. In fact, I've been keen to point out that sexual abuse of males is something that is routinely ignored, especially by the Labour Party.
If you cannot see this, then you are more interested in 'rocking the multicultural boat' then helping victims and potential victims.
I am shocked by Rotherham. I am shocked by Rochdale. I am shocked by the Bradbury case. I am shocked by the Williams case. I am shocked by the Morris case. I am shocked by the clergy cases.
As an aside, there are two important things: firstly for children to be taught that they have self-worth, regardless of their sex, and that anyone wanting to do such things to them is wrong, and should be reported. Secondly for them to be believed,
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The Lords can be over-ridden by the Commons (and interesting that you have an objection to the hereditories but not the equally unelected life peers), and the monarch hasn't vetoed a bill for about three centuries.
By contrast, there is a very real possibility going by current polls that the next election may result in Labour forming a majority government solely on the strength of its Scottish MPs. If it was considered unacceptable for the Conservatives to run Scotland from Westminster when the country was still a unitary state, due to only having about 1 in 7 MPs north of the border, it will be seen as much less acceptable for Scottish MPs to continually impose legislation on the English, against the wishes of English MPs.
The only reason it's not seen as much of an issue now is because it's not a current issue going on present parliamentary numbers.
Though I fear for the Union too.
Either way, I increasingly think it's effed. The only way to preserve the Union is to keep on ignoring the WLQ and adopt Roger's approach above. But that's going to be difficult now the Tories, as well as UKIP, are going big on it.
"How the legislation is at the moment and how public attitudes are at the moment is it’s much easier to blame the young people, to somehow think it’s their fault, they’ve brought this abuse upon themselves, they’ve been using drugs or they’ve run away from home, they’re bad children, so that’s what’s happening to them. Rather than actually turn it round and realise, no, there are a lot of adults out there who are using children for their own sexual gratification, who are abusing these children, and that’s where the focus should be, and there are more pressing, visible priorities for police."
"We wanted to ask Manchester’s Area Child Protection Committee why there appears to have been so little done to tackle the issue of teenage boys selling sex on the streets. It’s the body responsible for implementing government guidance to try to prevent the sexual exploitation of youngsters. But they refused to be interviewed or even to issue a statement. According to Tink Palmer, a former principal policy officer at the children’s charity Barnardos, Manchester’s failure to act is not untypical, and that’s an open invitation to child sex abusers."
"We wanted to ask the Association of Chief Police Officers about the questions raised by this programme, but no-one would be interviewed. A spokesman told us the chief officer who speaks on these issues wouldn’t comment because he wasn’t familiar enough with the individual cases. Those cases demonstrate that investigations aren’t getting to the perimeters of paedophile networks, or catching more offenders. It’s already difficult, costly and time-consuming police work. But critics argue that the government should make child abuse a formal national policing priority."
Note that this programme went out at exactly the time that the latest reports are saying that the Manchester police were not acting in relation to direct information.
"EV4EL is all about the status of Scottish MPs at Westminster"
Almost true - presumably it's about Welsh Lab MPs & any Lab support from NI MPs as well -but it's sod all to do with the narrative here.
Your ability to be both highly offensive and wildly inaccurate is a special knack. If you actually looked at the case that I'd linked to, you'd see that you couldn't be more wrong if you tried.
Good night.
Would you care to reply to me for a change...?
And explain your avatar?
Kind regards,
JBriskin (of Briskin and co fame)
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@MSmithsonPB .
.another out of town UKIP activist who really doesn't understand how despised @MarkReckless is locally. ..keep dreaming buddy
Those who compare such an outcome with the Executive in the USA, should remember that ours is a parliamentary system of government , not a Presidential one.
In any case, is it less acceptable that elected Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish MPs [ i.e. British MPs ] votes on English matters than unelected appointees in the House of Lords ?
Which leads to the obvious conclusion: Scottish , Welsh and Northern Irish Lords should not also vote on English matters.
EVEL can work provided it is a completely different parliament.
Mr. Sykes, it may be that the UK's death warrant was effectively signed by the grinning fool Blair when he needlessly gave Scotland a referendum on devolution in an effort to create a perpetual Labour fiefdom.
We need an English Parliament. It's possible a federal balance can be found, with equality for England, Scotland and Wales (Northern Ireland is a separate case due to historical reasons).
Those who advocate either carving England into shitty little regions or simply ignoring the blatantly unjust situation which exists today and will become much worse in the near future are utterly wrong.
List of consumers of child pornography in the UK from Canadian police either not passed to local forces or not acted upon.
3 regional police forces self-referred to PCC plus National Crime Agengy.
What possible excuse could there be for this?
Overnight night you made a comment that was defamatory, this was not your first transgression.
You are no longer permitted to talk about the following topic
1) Homosexuals or homosexuality
2) Child/sexual abuse
Please confirm you understand these instructions.
Haha to be fair, reading his twitter he trumps your hatred of UKIP hands down.. how could you be bothered?!
http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/analysis/295736-devomax-daily-stephen-daisley-on-westminster-devolution-debate/
That said I do not particularly support EV4EL. It is a quarter measure that does not get to the bottom of the issue but it does no harm and further would expose the absurd decision Labour made when implementing the devolution act. That they continue to prevaricate and obfuscate over the issue only acts as further indictment to their self indulgence and incompetence. I hope it hurts Miliband and his party greatly!
Extra Votes 4 Ed's Labour?
Could we all just choose to leave it at that??
If you don't agree with views, at least have the courage to say so.
"Interesting approach - because there are other problems, there's no point in attempting to solve other problems or smaller aspects of that problem. If you cannot fix everything, why fix anything?"
Well I don't see it as a problem but the only arguments I've ever seen for keeping our hereditary head of state is that the alternative would be .....Tony Blair or someone else no one likes or 'if it ain't broke don't fix it'.
Well relative to an hereditary head of state allowing 40 Scottish MP's to act as representatives of the the whole UK whether or not there is another authority in Scotland that controls some Scottish only matters seems very small beer and equally the argument 'if it aint broke' stands again.
http://www.itv.com/news/2014-10-14/itv-news-investigation-finds-hundreds-of-child-abusers-walking-free-in-manchester-due-to-police-failings/
I'll be asking Mike to email some people in the next few days on this topic.
Two US people killed in Riyadh. Apparently defence contractors. We await to see who claims it.
Just looked at a situation map for Kobani, If accurate the Kurds and FSA forces are under greater territorial pressure than ever with the availablilty of the Southern leg of the town that could have acted as a pivot for a right hook movement now looking to have been lost. Out in the Western pocket where the YPG still hold sway they have recaptured some hill territory. What it does do is provides essentially a high point of a thumb thickness route west of the town, skirting the Turkish border, either for resupply or escape. Onl;y problem right now is that IS main attack is coming from the east through the town.
In Iraq, the US are very very focussed on Baghdad airport. That goes, they have lost a critical air escape route for their people in the city. Other options will be chopper or overland but are frankly way more messy. Though the city itself is probably under existential threat, the US will be doing as much its allowed to to ensure that airport is kept safe.
Ramadi, the city that I mentioned was a key IS target over a month ago looks to be largely in their hands.
I know a post from the Daily Mash was removed for decency (or copyright). Fair enough.
Is it because I'm straying too far off-topic or becoming a bore. Fair enough.
But at least give the specifics of the charges against me.
Having said that, appalling though tne thought is, wholesale butchery of American citizens might bring the US in “properly”! With all tjhat that implies!
End of days stuff!
Listed in descending order of best vote share:
Sinn Fein: 70.6% Belfast W
Labour: 69.1% Manchester C
Respect: 55.9% Bradford W
Conservative: 45.0% Newark
UKIP: 59.7% Clacton
independents: 34.4% Mid Ulster (candidate supported by DUP/UUP/TUV); best other 5.4% South Shields
SNP: 33.0% Inverclyde
LibDem: 31.1% Eastleigh
SDLP: 17.4% Mid-Ulster
Plaid Cymru: 9.5% Cardiff C
BNP: 8.4% Rotherham
People Before Profit: 7.6% Belfast W
DUP: 6.1% Belfast W
No other parties ever saved their deposits. The best other performances were:
Green: 4.1% Cardiff C
English Democrats: 3.3% Rotherham
No-one else topped 2%.
Listed in descending order of best position:
Labour: 1st (many)
Sinn Fein: 1st (twice)
Respect: 1st Bradford W
Conservative: 1st Newark
UKIP: 1st Clacton
LibDem: 1st Eastleigh
independents: 2nd Mid Ulster (candidate supported by DUP/UUP/TUV); best other 4th
SNP: 2nd Inverclyde
SDLP: 2nd Belfast W
People Before Profit: 3rd Belfast W
BNP: 3rd Rotherham
Plaid Cymru: 4th Cardiff C
Green: 4th Clacton
DUP: 4th Belfast W
Alliance: 4th Mid-Ulster (out of 4)
Monster Raving Loony: 5th Leicester S (out of 5)
English Democrats: 6th (twice)
Don't interact with one another, directly or indirectly.
I wish there was some better news, though.
Polling shows there is definitely a desire to resolve this issue. Few people favour the status quo when it comes to the English question..
http://toque.co.uk/english-parliament-opinion-polls
However, I'd like to see the mandate for questioning whether we have a hereditary head of state or not. Frankly such distractions are puerile and invented solely to obfuscate the issue at hand.
Conservative: 4.5% Manchester C
Labour: 9.8% Eastleigh
UKIP: 1.0% Inverclyde
LibDem: 1.4% South Shields & Clacton
Green: 1.1% Corby, but did not stand in numerous contests
Respect: 1.1% Manchester C, but did not stand in numerous contests
BNP: 1.7% Corby, but did not stand in numerous contests
English Democrats: 0.1%, but did not stand in numerous contests
(SNP and PC were only in one contest each, so not listed)
Worst performances of the main parties in position (exc. NI where none of these parties stood):
Conservative: 5th Rotherham
Labour: 4th Eastleigh
UKIP: 5th (thrice)
LibDem: 8th Rotherham
Green: 7th Corby, but did not stand in numerous contests
Respect: 9th Manchester C, but did not stand in numerous contests
BNP: 6th (four times), but did not stand in numerous contests
English Democrats: 12th Eastleigh, but did not stand in numerous contests
(SNP and PC were only in one contest each, so not listed)
Changes in vote share:
Best/worst
Labour: +16.4% Manchester C/-20.3% Bradford W
Conservative: -2.1% Inverclyde/-28.4% Clacton
UKIP: +59.7% Clacton/-0.2% Inverclyde
LibDem: +0.3% Oldham E/-18.5% Newark
Green: +3.1% Wythenshawe and Heywood/-0.8% Bradford W
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-kent-29484321
I ask anyone in a position of influence reading this post to consider what it must be like to be a young teens crying herself to sleep at night after being gang raped, threatened at knife point, beaten up and knowing that more was to come with no end in sight and no one willing to step in. If you are a male and for some reason can't empathise with a member of the opposite sex, imagine instead it was your sister or daughter. Now realise that you are in a position of influence and you're capable of writing to a cabinet minister, or bringing it up in your next conversation, and using everything in your power to compel them to act. I know you all have one eye on your promotion prospects and might not want to rock the boat, thinking it's someone else's area, but surely if there's any reason you've gone into politics, it's to prevent evil and protect the innocent.
Isam is still a liar though for his post about me below.
Iran posted a picture of Revolutionary Guard Commander with Iraqi forces
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/14/suleimani-high-profile-to-publicise-irans-key-anti-isis-role
Baghdad city itself is probably NOT under existential threat, certainly at this juncture. The airport does have an issue though.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-29240758
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Paedophile-doctor-Myles-Bradbury-8216-groomed/story-22931837-detail/story.html
Which the protect-the-children UKIPper crowd on PB have been oddly silent about. I wonder why?
They're reached a level now, they've got a chance to play with the big boys. If they and their supporters want to make genuine inroads they should probably tone it down, perhaps get some sane and sellable policies on other issues like economics too.
Though the lessons of far-right populist parties throughout history is mixed on this, I suppose.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-29240758
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Paedophile-doctor-Myles-Bradbury-8216-groomed/story-22931837-detail/story.html
Which the protect-the-children UKIPper crowd on PB have been oddly silent about. I wonder why?
I only just read about it today. If there's evidence there's a broader problem beyond this one case and no action to address it, I can assure you I'll make a big deal about it.
As far as the pair of you are concerned, I want you both to skip over each others posts, and not respond.
Russia and China of course are trying to put the US out of business, by dumping the dollar in international transactions. It's BRICS vs. the US -the multi-polar world vs. US hegemony.
Hugh • Posts: 831
August 31
We desperately need someone to get a grip at the top, to allow us all to get a grip on our country.Racists, anti-immigration obsessives and Powellites have been salivating at this, and on PB we have seen some posters excitedly pushing their nasty, narrow agenda for days now.
It's about far, far more than that. And the victims deserve better than this kind of vile trash
Storm in a tea cup but a pretty stupid thing for the Mayoress to say
I reacted to someone graphically depicting an abortion, after I had asked them not to describe events using that term (I wonder why?) earlier this month, by swearing, and I got banned without warning, while they didn't even get spoken to
Well, I've posted about it on here a fair few times. Imagine being one of the *800* families written to, saying your child *might* have been abused.
We need to get to understand these failures and correct them, rather than scapegoat people because of ethnicity or religion.
(In a PB context, I mean before the comments threads changed to Disqus, which was the system before it switched to Vanilla)
"Fascinating stuff in the Evening Standard tonight. Apparently Carswell told his former constituency chairman that UKIP were 'bonkers' but not to worry because he could 'change them"
Raises rather more questions than it answers though don't you think?
http://www.ukip.org/policies_for_people
"Detective Superintendent Gary Ridgway said the devious medic "groomed" colleagues to keep his abuse secret.
He said: "This man worked very hard to cultivate the environment to abuse young people.
"I make no criticism of his colleagues at all for not knowing what was happening.""
Read more at http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Paedophile-doctor-Myles-Bradbury-8216-groomed/story-22931837-detail/story.html#A6hI8J2RM6F27LVV.99
This isn't about a cover-up or about crimes being ignored because of the cultural or ethnic background of the perpetrator and a fear of "rocking the multi-cultural boat". Hardly comparable, really.
Shame that so many here apparently see any discussion of the happenings in Rotherham as being motivated by racism or "islamophobia". Fear of being seen as racist or "islamophobic" played a large part in allowing thes crimes to go on for so long with no action being taken, as has been widely reported. Seems such fears were by no means misplaced.
Probably nothing but it has been reported to the Electoral Commission and the Police
They are comparable: it is only incomparable if you take the attitude that what matters is "cultural or ethnic background" of the perpetrators.
As you evidently do.
What matters is that clear warning signs in such cases were missed for too long. As it is infeasible to stop such a criminal before they strike, the important thing is to ensure that when they strike, and it becomes knowledge to family, friends, or the authorities, that such knowledge is acted on, fairly to all parties. (Edit: even if, as in the Bradbury case, it is was vague information. It should have been investigated, particularly considering the risk factor of him being a doctor).
If you looks at my posting history on here, you will see I have posted many times about abuse regardless of perpetrator's race or religions, or victim's race and sex. In fact, I've been keen to point out that sexual abuse of males is something that is routinely ignored, especially by the Labour Party.
If you cannot see this, then you are more interested in 'rocking the multicultural boat' then helping victims and potential victims.
I am shocked by Rotherham. I am shocked by Rochdale. I am shocked by the Bradbury case. I am shocked by the Williams case. I am shocked by the Morris case. I am shocked by the clergy cases.
As an aside, there are two important things: firstly for children to be taught that they have self-worth, regardless of their sex, and that anyone wanting to do such things to them is wrong, and should be reported. Secondly for them to be believed,
We, as a society, are failing on both counts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDyJdEEjvUg