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  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    Having just seen this on Guido...

    http://order-order.com/2014/10/03/labour-play-the-by-election-race-card-heywood-and-middleton-candidate-liz-mcinnes-white-is-ordinary/

    I am not sure whether it was an attempt to play the race card or just a candidate out of her depth in an interview - hard to tell without context

    But will be interesting to see if it gets traction

    Ah, the lady who claims to work for the NHS, but is really a union pilgrim working within the NHS.
    You clearly have every CCHQ file at your disposal.Same old Tories.

    Are you saying she's not a pilgrim?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Alistair said:

    Scott_P said:

    The Herald, the Nats paper of choice before the No vote...

    Sunday Herald was the paper to back Yes, the Herald firmly backed a No.
    Amazing the ignorance shown on here by some of those who insist on pronouncing on matters Scottish.
    Tipping point?
    The PB echo..
    So in other words, we PB Tories were right about what the Indyref result would be, unlike you Nats, who were on the ground.

    So our echo chamber was a damn sight more accurate than the Nat echo chamber.

    Keep listening to us, you Nats might learn something.

    Sorry to put the boot in, but even Rogerdamus, got the referendum result spot on.

    I don't remember 'you' making any predictions, but your use of the PB 'we' is very telling.
    I did, I said no would get 42% on a 82% turnout

    http://www.nojam.com/demo/pbindycomp/results.php?s_Name=tse&button=Search
    Perhaps a little table of "out of touch posh fop PB Tories" and "feet on the ground understand the real situation Nats" would be instructive?
    Actually I've got a thread coming up that touches on that (indirectly)
    Sorry for messing up your thread this morning.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,821
    If TTIP does come in, and indeed proves to be a way for American corporations to bludgeon their way past currently restricted EU markets, Ring-fencing NHS spending is essentially a way of moving a lot of British money to US corporations, very fast.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    edited October 2014
    antifrank said:

    Alistair said:

    Scott_P said:

    The Herald, the Nats paper of choice before the No vote...

    Sunday Herald was the paper to back Yes, the Herald firmly backed a No.
    Amazing the ignorance shown on here by some of those who insist on pronouncing on matters Scottish.
    Tipping point?
    The PB echo..
    So in other words, we PB Tories were right about what the Indyref result would be, unlike you Nats, who were on the ground.

    So our echo chamber was a damn sight more accurate than the Nat echo chamber.

    Keep listening to us, you Nats might learn something.

    Sorry to put the boot in, but even Rogerdamus, got the referendum result spot on.

    I don't remember 'you' making any predictions, but your use of the PB 'we' is very telling.
    I did, I said no would get 42% on a 82% turnout

    http://www.nojam.com/demo/pbindycomp/results.php?s_Name=tse&button=Search
    Perhaps a little table of "out of touch posh fop PB Tories" and "feet on the ground understand the real situation Nats" would be instructive?
    Actually I've got a thread coming up that touches on that (indirectly)
    Sorry for messing up your thread this morning.
    There's no need to apologise, these things happen, they've happened before, Corporeal, David Herdson and Henry G have all done it in the past.

    Is one of those occupational hazards.

    The flip side, is my afternoon thread, should be a humdinger.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I was truly stunned senseless by their scam. It was just so evil as far as fraud goes.

    Sky - Bogus Bomb Detector Scam Pair Sentenced

    Good they've had their comeuppance – looking at them, I'd not buy a newspaper from them.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1346782/bogus-bomb-detector-scam-pair-sentenced

  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708


    if I put an X against the Tory candidate, and write bastards next to the Labour and UKIP candidates, will my vote still be counted?

    I'd have thought so, it sounds like a clear expression of your preference.

    You should really write in Lizard People to keep them on their toes.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I'm not sure if it's been linked to, but James Kirkup has a blogpost up on the Clacton by-election with implications for Rochester and StroOd as well:

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jameskirkup/100287816/six-things-i-learned-about-douglas-carswell-ukip-and-the-clacton-by-election/

    "OK, it was a Wednesday lunchtime, but the People’s Army wasn’t exactly enormous.

    The campaign office is well-stocked with posters and lawn-signs. But posters and signs don’t do you any good stacked up in an office. They need to be displayed, and that requires volunteers to go out and put them up, and (generally) get permission to do so.

    Anyone who has reported a Lib Dem by-election campaign – where every flat surface is plastered with “Winning Here” posters – has witnessed a real political campaign machine in action. Ukip in Clacton isn’t in that league. The sense was that the campaign is basically Mr Carswell and those local activists he’s been able to bring with him.

    Yes, there’s a press officer from Ukip central and a sign-in sheet that shows that a few Kippers from outside Clacton have come to lend a hand (Roger Helmer looked to be the biggest party name to visit of late). But there were few other signs that the national party has mobilised significant resources to support Mr Carswell. That helps persuade local Tories that while they’ll probably lose the by-election, they have a better chance in the general election, when Ukip in Clacton may be even more stretched and superior Tory resources may prove decisive."
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,121


    if I put an X against the Tory candidate, and write bastards next to the Labour and UKIP candidates, will my vote still be counted?

    I'd have thought so, it sounds like a clear expression of your preference.

    You should really write in Lizard People to keep them on their toes.
    Won't necessarily be counted. The returning officer will ask the candidate's agents to agree whether or not the person's voting intention was clear. My experience is there's usually a small handful of these cases and usually the agents agree pretty swiftly and unanimously.

    Obviously if the word 'bastards' is next to some of the candidates, then the agents in question might be less inclined to say you had made your intention clear :-)
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I wish David Icke would stand in a by-election.

    Then I'd have a jolly good excuse to watch some of his marvellous interviews about lizard people...

    David Icke Versus the Lizard People


    if I put an X against the Tory candidate, and write bastards next to the Labour and UKIP candidates, will my vote still be counted?

    I'd have thought so, it sounds like a clear expression of your preference.

    You should really write in Lizard People to keep them on their toes.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    And Norman Tebbit has put up a post that is important for two reasons:

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/normantebbit/100288546/david-cameron-has-not-won-the-next-election-just-yet/

    1) "I will not be defecting to Ukip."

    2) His cautious analysis of David Cameron's speech, which provides a valuable corrective to those that think that with it the Conservatives are on the home straight:

    "At last the party strategists seem to have understood that general elections are not won on "the middle ground". Were that true, I rather doubt that Margaret Thatcher would have won three consecutive elections when we were what Mrs May described as "the nasty party". To give that lady credit, she seems to have learned from her error and made a brave show of nastiness herself this week.

    Mr Cameron's speech was pitched purposefully on "the common ground", a very different place indeed from the middle ground and it addressed the concerns of taxpayers and users of the health service alike, indeed Tories, Ukip and Labour supporters alike too.

    The one thing lacking from what was in any terms a successful week was a strategy to deal with the possibility of losing Tory marginal seats to Labour as a result of the loss votes to Ukip candidates. If the new mood of pragmatism in Tory HQ could deliver that the hopes of Mr Milliand would be dim indeed."

  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    Plato said:

    I was truly stunned senseless by their scam. It was just so evil as far as fraud goes.

    Sky - Bogus Bomb Detector Scam Pair Sentenced

    Good they've had their comeuppance – looking at them, I'd not buy a newspaper from them.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1346782/bogus-bomb-detector-scam-pair-sentenced

    "They said the picture was enough to excite neutrons and ions within the device to make the antenna work."

    I wonder if that was their defense when they were under scrutiny or if it was their sales pitch. If it's the latter, then I don't see a big difference between this and any other dangerous snake oil like homeopathic vaccines.

  • Plato said:

    I was truly stunned senseless by their scam. It was just so evil as far as fraud goes.

    Sky - Bogus Bomb Detector Scam Pair Sentenced

    Good they've had their comeuppance – looking at them, I'd not buy a newspaper from them.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1346782/bogus-bomb-detector-scam-pair-sentenced

    They say that owners get to look like their pets or should that be the other way round?
    These two look the spit of one another, right down to their hairstyles and double chins ..... amazing!
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Mr Hodges is amusing this morning
    Chasing polls is a mug’s game. Just ask David Blanchflower the well-known economist – well-known, that is, for predicting that the government’s spending cuts, would create 5 million unemployed – who responded to one of my articles yesterday by tweeting: “here he goes again Ed Miliband and Labour suck despite fact they are rising steadily in the polls. LOL.”
    blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100288608/ed-miliband-is-toast-and-he-has-been-for-a-long-time/
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited October 2014
    antifrank said:

    I'm not sure if it's been linked to, but James Kirkup has a blogpost up on the Clacton by-election with implications for Rochester and StroOd as well:

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jameskirkup/100287816/six-things-i-learned-about-douglas-carswell-ukip-and-the-clacton-by-election/

    "OK, it was a Wednesday lunchtime, but the People’s Army wasn’t exactly enormous.

    The campaign office is well-stocked with posters and lawn-signs. But posters and signs don’t do you any good stacked up in an office. They need to be displayed, and that requires volunteers to go out and put them up, and (generally) get permission to do so.

    Anyone who has reported a Lib Dem by-election campaign – where every flat surface is plastered with “Winning Here” posters – has witnessed a real political campaign machine in action. Ukip in Clacton isn’t in that league. The sense was that the campaign is basically Mr Carswell and those local activists he’s been able to bring with him.

    Yes, there’s a press officer from Ukip central and a sign-in sheet that shows that a few Kippers from outside Clacton have come to lend a hand (Roger Helmer looked to be the biggest party name to visit of late). But there were few other signs that the national party has mobilised significant resources to support Mr Carswell. That helps persuade local Tories that while they’ll probably lose the by-election, they have a better chance in the general election, when Ukip in Clacton may be even more stretched and superior Tory resources may prove decisive."

    A Clacton town centre voxpop the other day couldn't find anyone intending to vote Conservative at the by-election. Whatever UKIP have done in Clacton appears to be working.

    http://order-order.com/2014/09/29/guy-news-clacton-special-report/
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    If the new mood of pragmatism in Tory HQ could deliver that the hopes of Mr Milliband would be dim indeed."

    I guess that is what Grayling's proposals proposals today are about. Clawing back the kipper vote.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Miss Plato, the Gene Hunt photo was an early indicator that Ed doesn't speak human [to coin an already atrocious phrase].
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844

    antifrank said:

    I'm not sure if it's been linked to, but James Kirkup has a blogpost up on the Clacton by-election with implications for Rochester and StroOd as well:

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jameskirkup/100287816/six-things-i-learned-about-douglas-carswell-ukip-and-the-clacton-by-election/

    "OK, it was a Wednesday lunchtime, but the People’s Army wasn’t exactly enormous.

    The campaign office is well-stocked with posters and lawn-signs. But posters and signs don’t do you any good stacked up in an office. They need to be displayed, and that requires volunteers to go out and put them up, and (generally) get permission to do so.

    Anyone who has reported a Lib Dem by-election campaign – where every flat surface is plastered with “Winning Here” posters – has witnessed a real political campaign machine in action. Ukip in Clacton isn’t in that league. The sense was that the campaign is basically Mr Carswell and those local activists he’s been able to bring with him.

    Yes, there’s a press officer from Ukip central and a sign-in sheet that shows that a few Kippers from outside Clacton have come to lend a hand (Roger Helmer looked to be the biggest party name to visit of late). But there were few other signs that the national party has mobilised significant resources to support Mr Carswell. That helps persuade local Tories that while they’ll probably lose the by-election, they have a better chance in the general election, when Ukip in Clacton may be even more stretched and superior Tory resources may prove decisive."

    A Clacton town centre voxpop the other day couldn't find anyone intending to vote Conservative at the by-election. Whatever UKIP have done in Clacton appears to be working.

    http://order-order.com/2014/09/29/guy-news-clacton-special-report/
    I wouldn't use a Guido vox pop as anything like being a fair or representative poll...
  • I suspect there's another thread on its way from TSE central.

    In the meanwhile I note some of Plato's music comments below and was wondering: Who is the most overrated musician / pop act ever? For me the gold medal goes to Prince, silver medal to Jimmy Hendrix and bronze to Lady Gaga.

    PB views?
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Signing Suarez was not the least of their troubles.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29479772

    Tax evasion by Messi.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    F1: bah. The Japanese Grand Prix will not be held on Saturday but might be held earlier on Sunday.

    Earlier than the 7am start planned, that is.

    At the moment, a start at the planned time remains the likeliest course.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    Patrick said:

    I suspect there's another thread on its way from TSE central.

    In the meanwhile I note some of Plato's music comments below and was wondering: Who is the most overrated musician / pop act ever? For me the gold medal goes to Prince, silver medal to Jimmy Hendrix and bronze to Lady Gaga.

    PB views?

    The sodding Beatles by a country mile. House band to CBeebies is as far as they should ever have got on their talents.

    Prince - agree. Hendrix could play the guitar, and Lady G can sing (see her recent version of "Anything Goes").

  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746

    antifrank said:

    I'm not sure if it's been linked to, but James Kirkup has a blogpost up on the Clacton by-election with implications for Rochester and StroOd as well:

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jameskirkup/100287816/six-things-i-learned-about-douglas-carswell-ukip-and-the-clacton-by-election/

    "OK, it was a Wednesday lunchtime, but the People’s Army wasn’t exactly enormous.

    The campaign office is well-stocked with posters and lawn-signs. But posters and signs don’t do you any good stacked up in an office. They need to be displayed, and that requires volunteers to go out and put them up, and (generally) get permission to do so.

    Anyone who has reported a Lib Dem by-election campaign – where every flat surface is plastered with “Winning Here” posters – has witnessed a real political campaign machine in action. Ukip in Clacton isn’t in that league. The sense was that the campaign is basically Mr Carswell and those local activists he’s been able to bring with him.

    Yes, there’s a press officer from Ukip central and a sign-in sheet that shows that a few Kippers from outside Clacton have come to lend a hand (Roger Helmer looked to be the biggest party name to visit of late). But there were few other signs that the national party has mobilised significant resources to support Mr Carswell. That helps persuade local Tories that while they’ll probably lose the by-election, they have a better chance in the general election, when Ukip in Clacton may be even more stretched and superior Tory resources may prove decisive."

    A Clacton town centre voxpop the other day couldn't find anyone intending to vote Conservative at the by-election. Whatever UKIP have done in Clacton appears to be working.

    http://order-order.com/2014/09/29/guy-news-clacton-special-report/
    I wouldn't use a Guido vox pop as anything like being a fair or representative poll...
    OK. In the two published polls UKIP lead the Conservatives by 32% and 44%.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clacton_by-election,_2014#Polling

    The Conservative vote having fallen from 2010: 53%, to 2014: 20%-24%

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/2015guide/clacton/
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844

    antifrank said:

    I'm not sure if it's been linked to, but James Kirkup has a blogpost up on the Clacton by-election with implications for Rochester and StroOd as well:

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jameskirkup/100287816/six-things-i-learned-about-douglas-carswell-ukip-and-the-clacton-by-election/

    "OK, it was a Wednesday lunchtime, but the People’s Army wasn’t exactly enormous.

    The campaign office is well-stocked with posters and lawn-signs. But posters and signs don’t do you any good stacked up in an office. They need to be displayed, and that requires volunteers to go out and put them up, and (generally) get permission to do so.

    Anyone who has reported a Lib Dem by-election campaign – where every flat surface is plastered with “Winning Here” posters – has witnessed a real political campaign machine in action. Ukip in Clacton isn’t in that league. The sense was that the campaign is basically Mr Carswell and those local activists he’s been able to bring with him.

    Yes, there’s a press officer from Ukip central and a sign-in sheet that shows that a few Kippers from outside Clacton have come to lend a hand (Roger Helmer looked to be the biggest party name to visit of late). But there were few other signs that the national party has mobilised significant resources to support Mr Carswell. That helps persuade local Tories that while they’ll probably lose the by-election, they have a better chance in the general election, when Ukip in Clacton may be even more stretched and superior Tory resources may prove decisive."

    A Clacton town centre voxpop the other day couldn't find anyone intending to vote Conservative at the by-election. Whatever UKIP have done in Clacton appears to be working.

    http://order-order.com/2014/09/29/guy-news-clacton-special-report/
    I wouldn't use a Guido vox pop as anything like being a fair or representative poll...
    OK. In the two published polls UKIP lead the Conservatives by 32% and 44%.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clacton_by-election,_2014#Polling

    The Conservative vote having fallen from 2010: 53%, to 2014: 20%-24%

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/2015guide/clacton/
    Properly handled polls are fine - and would indicate that there are still Tory votes in Clacton!

    Hyperbole is fine - as long as you are clear that is what it is!
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I'd be delighted if I was as athletic as my greyhounds!

    If I ever buy a pug, then I know that only celibacy awaits me.

    Plato said:

    I was truly stunned senseless by their scam. It was just so evil as far as fraud goes.

    Sky - Bogus Bomb Detector Scam Pair Sentenced

    Good they've had their comeuppance – looking at them, I'd not buy a newspaper from them.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1346782/bogus-bomb-detector-scam-pair-sentenced

    They say that owners get to look like their pets or should that be the other way round?
    These two look the spit of one another, right down to their hairstyles and double chins ..... amazing!
  • Patrick said:

    I suspect there's another thread on its way from TSE central.

    In the meanwhile I note some of Plato's music comments below and was wondering: Who is the most overrated musician / pop act ever? For me the gold medal goes to Prince, silver medal to Jimmy Hendrix and bronze to Lady Gaga.

    PB views?

    Good picks, but I'd probably argue with your order and Justin Bieber would probably make my top three.
  • Ishmael_X said:

    Patrick said:

    I suspect there's another thread on its way from TSE central.

    In the meanwhile I note some of Plato's music comments below and was wondering: Who is the most overrated musician / pop act ever? For me the gold medal goes to Prince, silver medal to Jimmy Hendrix and bronze to Lady Gaga.

    PB views?

    The sodding Beatles by a country mile. House band to CBeebies is as far as they should ever have got on their talents.

    Prince - agree. Hendrix could play the guitar, and Lady G can sing (see her recent version of "Anything Goes").

    I thought the Beatles were a religion not a pop act.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. X, Imagine annoys me.

    "Imagine there's no money," sang the millionaire, as he played his piano, in his mansion.
  • Good topic!
    U2 and the Smiths. Tedious, self important and massively overrated by muso-tossers the pair of 'em

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Quite.

    We were discussing zombies a day or so ago - have you seen World War Z? I've just been loaned a copy and expect to laugh myself silly.

    The Honest Trailer for it is a complete hoot. I can watch it and still cry with laughter again and again

    The Walking Dead one is rather good too. I once spent an entire afternoon laughing like a drain at these. So clever and spot on.

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Miss Plato, the Gene Hunt photo was an early indicator that Ed doesn't speak human [to coin an already atrocious phrase].

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited October 2014

    Patrick said:

    I suspect there's another thread on its way from TSE central.

    In the meanwhile I note some of Plato's music comments below and was wondering: Who is the most overrated musician / pop act ever? For me the gold medal goes to Prince, silver medal to Jimmy Hendrix and bronze to Lady Gaga.

    PB views?

    Good picks, but I'd probably argue with your order and Justin Bieber would probably make my top three.
    Justin Bieber is not a pop act either. He was invented by Canadian Military Intelligence as a vergeltungswaffe against the USA, in retaliation for them releasing Miley Cyrus into the world. I believe One Direction was MI5's counterstike to the Bieber weapon. We'll end up in mutually assured destruction if this madness carries on.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    Mr. X, Imagine annoys me.

    "Imagine there's no money," sang the millionaire, as he played his piano, in his mansion.

    Was listening to "Money" by Pink Floyd this morning and thinking much the same.

  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Oasis are very overrated.

    The lyrics are meaningless cr8p.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Funny how potent cheap music can be.

    For the overrated, look to the supposedly credible bands like Radiohead.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    Mr. X, Imagine annoys me.

    "Imagine there's no money," sang the millionaire, as he played his piano, in his mansion.

    Tittenhurst Park complete with large guest house, lodge and sweeping lawns.

    Lennon was a sanctimonious cock.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    I love this from Dan Hannan....

    ''for human rights lawyers, the status of the ECHR is not an abstract question of parliamentary sovereignty, but a very immediate question of school fees''

    POW!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Miss Plato, saw both of those a little while ago. They are very good. (The Honest Trailers, I haven't seen the film or read the book of World War Z).

    Speaking of both rap and Bieber, pbers may wish to peruse Youtube for Justin Bieber Versus Beethoven rap battle (I think it contains strong language).
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564
    antifrank said:

    I'm not sure if it's been linked to, but James Kirkup has a blogpost up on the Clacton by-election with implications for Rochester and StroOd as well:

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jameskirkup/100287816/six-things-i-learned-about-douglas-carswell-ukip-and-the-clacton-by-election/

    A pleasant article, incidentally showing Carswell in rather a good light.

  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Green party membership passes 20,000:

    http://greenparty.org.uk/news/2014/10/03/green-surge-membership-of-the-green-party-up-45-in-2014-alone/

    I presume that's an England and Wales figure (given it's a press release from the England and Wales party), if so with Scotland and Northern Ireland it will be about 25,000 soon enough.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited October 2014
    taffys said:

    Oasis are very overrated.

    The lyrics are meaningless cr8p.

    I remember reading an article about David Bowie. At one point he was writing song lyrics by cutting words out of newspapers, and then picking them out of a hat.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Ohhh - the choice is so broad. Personally, I'd go for Paul Young and more recently Dido. What was she about? Celine Dion should've remained a destitute lounge room singer in somewhere like Quebec.

    Speaking of overrated things and Titanic - you may like this little pee take of Billy Zane movies.

    I can't judge Hendrix as I've a reflexive dislike of his stuff bar All Along The Watchtower. I did see the rock formation thingy in Morocco that one of his songs was supposedly based on - it's very eye-catching. It's an urban legend though.

    Wiki
    Beginning in the late 1960s, Essaouira became something of a hippie hangout. Despite common misconception,[13] Jimi Hendrix's song "Castles Made of Sand" was written in 1967, two years before he visited the castles of Essaouira.[14][15] Cat Stevens also spent some time in Essaouira.
    I can highly recommend Essaouira if you like huge sandy beaches, rip tides and wind. And the sort of sun that zaps you in 10 mins.

    Prince wrote Nothing Compares To You [as sung by Sinead O'Connor] which is his only redeeming feature in my book.

    Lady Gaga - like Madonna but with less talent. I did like Poker Face though. I think Britney Spears has more talent personally.
    Patrick said:

    I suspect there's another thread on its way from TSE central.

    In the meanwhile I note some of Plato's music comments below and was wondering: Who is the most overrated musician / pop act ever? For me the gold medal goes to Prince, silver medal to Jimmy Hendrix and bronze to Lady Gaga.

    PB views?

  • Most overrated song has to be Bohemian Rhapsody - I have dissed this before on here but it really is pretentious random screeches.

    Most overrated band is Oasis
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Watcher, quite. I don't begrudge people their wealth, but bleating about a world without money when you're loaded is (ahem) cheap.

    Mr. Taffys, Hannan sounds spot on.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    O/T may be of interest - new Maggie papers out

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/11137193/10-things-we-learn-about-Margaret-Thatcher-from-her-1984-papers.html

    " Mrs Thatcher physically tore up her conference speech following the Brighton bombing
    She had planned a bitter attack on Labour over the miners' strike, intending to use the speech to go beyond her controversial “enemy within” remarks by placing the opposition at the heart of a “dark cloud” created by the militant resistance of pit closures.

    “From this dark cloud falls an acid rain that eats into liberty,” said a handwritten text from Monday Oct 8 1984, the day she arrived in Brighton for the Conservative conference.
    “It can be seen above all in the natural home that these views and voices now find in the Labour Party."

    However, in the hours after the bomb she tore up the draft opening and later delivered a speech with virtually no references to Labour."
  • Neil said:

    Green party membership passes 20,000:

    http://greenparty.org.uk/news/2014/10/03/green-surge-membership-of-the-green-party-up-45-in-2014-alone/

    I presume that's an England and Wales figure (given it's a press release from the England and Wales party), if so with Scotland and Northern Ireland it will be about 25,000 soon enough.

    Wow
  • ...oooh ...I forgot Coldplay....weapons-grade megaton yield thermonuclear music for bedwetters....
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,821
    Plato said:

    I wish David Icke would stand in a by-election.

    Then I'd have a jolly good excuse to watch some of his marvellous interviews about lizard people...

    David Icke Versus the Lizard People


    if I put an X against the Tory candidate, and write bastards next to the Labour and UKIP candidates, will my vote still be counted?

    I'd have thought so, it sounds like a clear expression of your preference.

    You should really write in Lizard People to keep them on their toes.
    Does the fact that the 'truther' movement has some wilder theorists reassure you that none of it can be true?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Away, you are madder than a camel on skates.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited October 2014
    Oh The Beatles - ARGH. I've got HELP! [love the movie] and that's it. The rest is just so very So What Pop or LSD deep and meaningless.

    I asked a friend what album he'd take with him to a desert island - he said their album Rubber Soul [hope I've spelled that right]. I can't bring myself to even download it...
    Ishmael_X said:

    Patrick said:

    I suspect there's another thread on its way from TSE central.

    In the meanwhile I note some of Plato's music comments below and was wondering: Who is the most overrated musician / pop act ever? For me the gold medal goes to Prince, silver medal to Jimmy Hendrix and bronze to Lady Gaga.

    PB views?

    The sodding Beatles by a country mile. House band to CBeebies is as far as they should ever have got on their talents.

    Prince - agree. Hendrix could play the guitar, and Lady G can sing (see her recent version of "Anything Goes").

  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    taffys said:

    Oasis are very overrated.

    The lyrics are meaningless cr8p.

    I remember reading an article about David Bowie. At one point he was writing song lyrics by cutting words out of newspapers, and then picking them out of a hat.
    That general idea is not unique to him. Madonna's song "Candy Perfume Girl" was supposedly constructed out of found phrases using those fridge magnets with words on.

    I liked Mark Knopfler's method of getting lyrics for "Money For Nothing", which was basically a conversation he'd overheard.
  • TGOHF said:

    O/T may be of interest - new Maggie papers out

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/11137193/10-things-we-learn-about-Margaret-Thatcher-from-her-1984-papers.html

    " Mrs Thatcher physically tore up her conference speech following the Brighton bombing
    She had planned a bitter attack on Labour over the miners' strike, intending to use the speech to go beyond her controversial “enemy within” remarks by placing the opposition at the heart of a “dark cloud” created by the militant resistance of pit closures.

    “From this dark cloud falls an acid rain that eats into liberty,” said a handwritten text from Monday Oct 8 1984, the day she arrived in Brighton for the Conservative conference.
    “It can be seen above all in the natural home that these views and voices now find in the Labour Party."

    However, in the hours after the bomb she tore up the draft opening and later delivered a speech with virtually no references to Labour."

    She was brave to do a speech at all considering
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    edited October 2014
    taffys said:

    I love this from Dan Hannan....

    ''for human rights lawyers, the status of the ECHR is not an abstract question of parliamentary sovereignty, but a very immediate question of school fees''

    POW!

    They won't have to worry about that if the Tories win and go through with their plan to have two competing, incompatible human rights laws at the same time, one in Britain and another in Europe. (And probably something different again in Scotland and Wales.) You'll be able to sue according to either set of laws, and all kinds of things that already have some case-law get to be reopened and litigated again.
  • taffys said:

    Well that Populus brought us all down to earth a bit!

    That is why I am luvvin' these by-elections. How does support for a party in a poll translate into a concrete vote?

    V. interesting.

    Us?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    Neil said:

    Green party membership passes 20,000:

    http://greenparty.org.uk/news/2014/10/03/green-surge-membership-of-the-green-party-up-45-in-2014-alone/

    I presume that's an England and Wales figure (given it's a press release from the England and Wales party), if so with Scotland and Northern Ireland it will be about 25,000 soon enough.

    Wow
    There are some tangental political betting implications of the news if you look for them.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    The best thing Morrissey ever said was that he planned on being celibate. At least then there'd be no Mini Morrissey to take over his mantle.

    U2's Desire is rather catchy - the rest of it, nope. Up themselves.

    Good topic!
    U2 and the Smiths. Tedious, self important and massively overrated by muso-tossers the pair of 'em

  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Plato said:

    Oh The Beatles - ARGH. I've got HELP! [love the movie] and that's it. The rest is just so very So What Pop or LSD deep and meaningless.

    I asked a friend what album he'd take with him to a desert island - he said their album Rubber Soul [hope I've spelled that right]. I can't bring myself to even download it...

    Ishmael_X said:

    Patrick said:

    I suspect there's another thread on its way from TSE central.

    In the meanwhile I note some of Plato's music comments below and was wondering: Who is the most overrated musician / pop act ever? For me the gold medal goes to Prince, silver medal to Jimmy Hendrix and bronze to Lady Gaga.

    PB views?

    The sodding Beatles by a country mile. House band to CBeebies is as far as they should ever have got on their talents.

    Prince - agree. Hendrix could play the guitar, and Lady G can sing (see her recent version of "Anything Goes").

    Rubber Soul is the best Beatles album (closely followed by Revolver).
  • ..at the other end of the spectrum I'm very very into the Unplugged Band's cover of Bad Touch. (Google it). They have no rating whatever, in fact I don't think anyone's ever heard of them, but certainly my fave at the mo...
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844

    Neil said:

    Green party membership passes 20,000:

    http://greenparty.org.uk/news/2014/10/03/green-surge-membership-of-the-green-party-up-45-in-2014-alone/

    I presume that's an England and Wales figure (given it's a press release from the England and Wales party), if so with Scotland and Northern Ireland it will be about 25,000 soon enough.

    Wow
    Not sure that is really a wow moment. Doesn't it look likely that the Greens will lose their only MP next year? (I am sure we have had some discussion of the Brighton situation at some point recently)

    The Greens had their high point all those years ago at the Euros - they have never come close to replicating that and never will.
  • antifrank said:

    Plato said:

    Oh The Beatles - ARGH. I've got HELP! [love the movie] and that's it. The rest is just so very So What Pop or LSD deep and meaningless.

    I asked a friend what album he'd take with him to a desert island - he said their album Rubber Soul [hope I've spelled that right]. I can't bring myself to even download it...

    Ishmael_X said:

    Patrick said:

    I suspect there's another thread on its way from TSE central.

    In the meanwhile I note some of Plato's music comments below and was wondering: Who is the most overrated musician / pop act ever? For me the gold medal goes to Prince, silver medal to Jimmy Hendrix and bronze to Lady Gaga.

    PB views?

    The sodding Beatles by a country mile. House band to CBeebies is as far as they should ever have got on their talents.

    Prince - agree. Hendrix could play the guitar, and Lady G can sing (see her recent version of "Anything Goes").

    Rubber Soul is the best Beatles album (closely followed by Revolver).
    I have no great musical ear but to me ,the Beatles were very good consistent singers. They held their voices really well through a song. Their songs varied in quality imo but they were good singers
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Speaking of manufactured bands - surely The Monkees were the first?

    I was very fond of their TV show. I've got their Greatest Hits too. Ummm... should I have disclosed that? Mickey Dolenz did the superb Randy Scouse Git
    Patrick said:

    Patrick said:

    I suspect there's another thread on its way from TSE central.

    In the meanwhile I note some of Plato's music comments below and was wondering: Who is the most overrated musician / pop act ever? For me the gold medal goes to Prince, silver medal to Jimmy Hendrix and bronze to Lady Gaga.

    PB views?

    Good picks, but I'd probably argue with your order and Justin Bieber would probably make my top three.
    Justin Bieber is not a pop act either. He was invented by Canadian Military Intelligence as a vergeltungswaffe against the USA, in retaliation for them releasing Miley Cyrus into the world. I believe One Direction was MI5's counterstike to the Bieber weapon. We'll end up in mutually assured destruction if this madness carries on.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Miss Plato, my understanding was that The Monkees were the first to admit it, and actually use the fact as some sort of marketing tool.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366

    Most over-rated pop singer? Easy ... that's Marc Bolan and T-Rex. They only ever made one record, but they kept re-releasing it with a different title.

    Well done that tree in Hyde Park.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,821
    Patrick said:

    I suspect there's another thread on its way from TSE central.

    In the meanwhile I note some of Plato's music comments below and was wondering: Who is the most overrated musician / pop act ever? For me the gold medal goes to Prince, silver medal to Jimmy Hendrix and bronze to Lady Gaga.

    PB views?

    Prince is great! Don't know enough of Jimmy Hendrix' music to comment. Gaga I agree needs binning. You could write a book on the unjustified media adulation poured in her direction.

    For me, if you're talking serious overration, you're talking Bob Dylan. Not without talent as a songwriter, but almost everyone performs his good songs better than him. I just find him utterly fake, and by all accounts many of his contemporaries agree.
  • Neil said:

    Green party membership passes 20,000:

    http://greenparty.org.uk/news/2014/10/03/green-surge-membership-of-the-green-party-up-45-in-2014-alone/

    I presume that's an England and Wales figure (given it's a press release from the England and Wales party), if so with Scotland and Northern Ireland it will be about 25,000 soon enough.

    Wow
    Not sure that is really a wow moment. Doesn't it look likely that the Greens will lose their only MP next year? (I am sure we have had some discussion of the Brighton situation at some point recently)

    The Greens had their high point all those years ago at the Euros - they have never come close to replicating that and never will.
    As Neil detected I was being a bit sarky
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  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited October 2014
    For strange lyrics - have you listened to Florence + The Machine?

    Some of those would match Alice Cooper for creepiness. The tunes/harp/singing all seem so *nice* but the lyrics are very very dark much of the time.

    The Girl With One Eye is a great creepy example. I love the track, but it did take me aback at first. The Bayou Percussion version is superb.
    taffys said:

    Oasis are very overrated.

    The lyrics are meaningless cr8p.

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I can't see why anyone likes Coldplay. I tried and only like When I Ruled The World.

    Snow Patrol on the otherhand are great. Don't much like The Arctic Monkeys - feels far to self-conscious werkingclass for me, but I can see the appeal.

    I do like Do I Wanna Know though - great tune.
    Patrick said:

    ...oooh ...I forgot Coldplay....weapons-grade megaton yield thermonuclear music for bedwetters....

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    What I find endlessly fascinating is how deep-and-meaningless some people get about it - or rather bits of it that they feel is *more worthy or intellectual*.

    So long as I can tap my foot or sing along at the top of my voice - I'm happy to listen to almost anything with a major key. Give it a minor/flat key and it requires much more effort.

    Amusing lyrics are great entertainment. AC/DC's Touch Too Much always makes me smile "She had the face of an angel and body of Venus, with arms"... LOL
    antifrank said:

    Funny how potent cheap music can be.

    For the overrated, look to the supposedly credible bands like Radiohead.

  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    CD13 said:


    Most over-rated pop singer? Easy ... that's Marc Bolan and T-Rex. They only ever made one record, but they kept re-releasing it with a different title.

    Well done that tree in Hyde Park.

    Wrap a yellow mini round the old oak tree.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Like a kidnapper's ransom note to his fans?!

    taffys said:

    Oasis are very overrated.

    The lyrics are meaningless cr8p.

    I remember reading an article about David Bowie. At one point he was writing song lyrics by cutting words out of newspapers, and then picking them out of a hat.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Must agree with you re BoHo Rap. I like a handful of Queen songs. I like ELO more. Wild West Hero - what a great tune.

    Most overrated song has to be Bohemian Rhapsody - I have dissed this before on here but it really is pretentious random screeches.

    Most overrated band is Oasis

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Given I think AGW is bollox - I had to give props to dare I say it Alex Jones for giving it airtime. Now, he's waaay off the reservation most of the time, but I'm with him in spirit here.

    Loonies can't be wrong all of the time. Sometimes it takes a loony to see things few others do first.

    Plato said:

    I wish David Icke would stand in a by-election.

    Then I'd have a jolly good excuse to watch some of his marvellous interviews about lizard people...

    David Icke Versus the Lizard People


    if I put an X against the Tory candidate, and write bastards next to the Labour and UKIP candidates, will my vote still be counted?

    I'd have thought so, it sounds like a clear expression of your preference.

    You should really write in Lizard People to keep them on their toes.
    Does the fact that the 'truther' movement has some wilder theorists reassure you that none of it can be true?
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I adore the cleverness of Moulin Rouge! using song lyrics as the dialogue for most of it. Most creative. Love the score.

    The Tango version of Roxanne was epic
    . It's much better than the Police's version.

    antifrank said:

    taffys said:

    Oasis are very overrated.

    The lyrics are meaningless cr8p.

    I remember reading an article about David Bowie. At one point he was writing song lyrics by cutting words out of newspapers, and then picking them out of a hat.
    That general idea is not unique to him. Madonna's song "Candy Perfume Girl" was supposedly constructed out of found phrases using those fridge magnets with words on.

    I liked Mark Knopfler's method of getting lyrics for "Money For Nothing", which was basically a conversation he'd overheard.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    '' Madonna's song "Candy Perfume Girl" was supposedly constructed out of found phrases using those fridge magnets with words on.'' -- Isn't that how all pop song lyrics are written?
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