Wait a minute, 3/4 of the campaign has been acting as though the question is 'Could Scotland be an independent country?' People will be confused at seeing what the actual question is on the paper.
Yes, I certainly made the comparisons with Quebec and no I wouldn't be flabbergasted if it was 93% (surprised...but not f...d). That isn't quite the same as saying that I thought it would be 93% though. The important point from a betting point of view was that I was sure the betting markets were underestimating turnover, and I'm happy that my advice for people to get on appears to be working out well.
If I had to commit to a single figure right now I'd guess 84%, but 9 points higher is possible - 9 lower isn't.
Britain Elects @britainelects 13m Becoming pretty historic that they haven't been leaked yet.
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB 6m @britainelects The polling industry's learned lot in past 10 days. No embargoed copies and ultra secrecy. Even I don't know!
Mr. Royale, it's never nice to lose a bet, but luck does play a role (well, it does with F1). The golden rule of only betting what you can afford to lose is one to live by.
[I was a bit miffed when Lotus actually managed to get both cars to finish the last race].
Kevin Pringle @KevinJPringle 2 mins New #ICM #indyref poll for @TheScotsman shows a 6-point narrowing of gap: Yes 48% (+3), No 52% (-3). #VoteYes has the momentum. #letsdothis.
Kevin Pringle @KevinJPringle 2 mins New #ICM #indyref poll for @TheScotsman shows a 6-point narrowing of gap: Yes 48% (+3), No 52% (-3). #VoteYes has the momentum. #letsdothis.
Kevin Pringle @KevinJPringle 2 mins New #ICM #indyref poll for @TheScotsman shows a 6-point narrowing of gap: Yes 48% (+3), No 52% (-3). #VoteYes has the momentum. #letsdothis.
He's talking pish. Yes' lead has been wiped out
Was it their online poll showing the big point Yes lead a few days ago?
I don't like the latest direction of travel, but honestly I'll take what I can get It's not like a 20 point No lead would put Yes off, but certainly that lead is not going to terrify them given how volatile things have been.
Kevin Pringle @KevinJPringle 2 mins New #ICM #indyref poll for @TheScotsman shows a 6-point narrowing of gap: Yes 48% (+3), No 52% (-3). #VoteYes has the momentum. #letsdothis.
The best solution to the West Lothian question is for the Tories to pull their fingers out and get winning some seats in Scotland. An imploding SNP post referendum veering leftwards is probably their best chance to do that.
Kevin Pringle @KevinJPringle 2 mins New #ICM #indyref poll for @TheScotsman shows a 6-point narrowing of gap: Yes 48% (+3), No 52% (-3). #VoteYes has the momentum. #letsdothis.
He's talking pish. Yes' lead has been wiped out
Was it their online poll showing the big point Yes lead a few days ago?
Kevin Pringle @KevinJPringle 2 mins New #ICM #indyref poll for @TheScotsman shows a 6-point narrowing of gap: Yes 48% (+3), No 52% (-3). #VoteYes has the momentum. #letsdothis.
He's talking pish. Yes' lead has been wiped out
So it wasn't an outlier then?
I didn't say that, he's talking pish, making an incorrect comparison.
So really 59:41, and a fair few of the 'yesers' will have secret second thoughts on the day... so let's say 62:38 as the final score.
What do you base that on?
The fact that pretty much every referendum in history has had the status quo outperform the polls on the day.
And the fact that admitting that you agree with the cynically negative Project Fear makes you look like a scary cat.
I don't believe there are shy no voters. Why would they be afraid of telling a pollster? Would the girl on the minimum wage from the polling company on the phone judge you?
Basically, it really is this close - I can guarantee it. There was some internal polling done by one of the sides showing 41-41 with 18 undecided.
This is edge of the knife stuff, believe me. If the union survives, it'll be by a thread.
Fascinating rumours that the ICM poll was leaked early, the wrong way round, by an FX dealer (probably in EVIL TORY LONDON) so as to make a very quick killing on the £
What an utter bastard. Totally unbecoming of the decent financiers of this country.
The best solution to the West Lothian question is for the Tories to pull their fingers out and get winning some seats in Scotland. An imploding SNP post referendum veering leftwards is probably their best chance to do that.
twaddle. the best solution is for any devolution to be symmetrical.
The best solution to the West Lothian question is for the Tories to pull their fingers out and get winning some seats in Scotland. An imploding SNP post referendum veering leftwards is probably their best chance to do that.
Maybe, but with what is expected to be a very close contest, even with a NO win I can't see the SNP imploding. They seem pretty well settled, and can exploit the Team Scotland vs Team Westminster thing for all they can.
Is it the international norm to permit, or to prohibit, polls in the final couple of days?
Is it a good thing to permit them?
Most countries allow them - France is a notable exception, though they get systematically leaked in neighbouring countries. Hard to prevent in the internet age.
It is difficult to believe that "genuine" undecideds are going to be anything but strongly for the status quo come polling day. And i think "no"s are far more likely to kid themselves that they are undecided.
So really 59:41, and a fair few of the 'yesers' will have secret second thoughts on the day... so let's say 62:38 as the final score.
What do you base that on?
The fact that pretty much every referendum in history has had the status quo outperform the polls on the day.
And the fact that admitting that you agree with the cynically negative Project Fear makes you look like a scary cat.
I don't believe there are shy no voters. Why would they be afraid of telling a pollster? Would the girl on the minimum wage from the polling company on the phone judge you?
I tend to agree. I know pollsters have underestimated party support, most notably in 1992, as shy voters even though I don't understand why it would be the case back then either, but it seems to be based on nothing now. It's not as though people might feel unwilling to admit they support a long standing and unpopular government, it's a one off question, either you support it, or don't, or are genuinely clueless. I cannot see many hiding away.
Fascinating rumours that the ICM poll was leaked early, the wrong way round, by an FX dealer (probably in EVIL TORY LONDON) so as to make a very quick killing on the £
What an utter bastard. Totally unbecoming of the decent financiers of this country.
I believe so also; the tweet of 52 YES came from a financial source. I hope the FSA investigate...
Does Bavaria have a zero tax zone along its border with Baden-Wurtemburg ? Does Victoria have a zero tax zone along its border with New South Wales ? Does New Jersey have a zero tax zone along its border with New York ?
etc, etc, etc
Not to mention the most likely movers to a zero tax zone in England would be English businesses from other parts of England rather than Scottish businesses, especially if English tax rates are raised elsewhere.
In other words the whole premise is crap, but crap being used as an argument to continue the treatment of English people as second class citizens.
BTW I wasn't referring to you as an anti-English bigot. They tend to be on the political left. But I was a little surprised that you gave any interest in the anti-English drivel which you posted.
Fascinating rumours that the ICM poll was leaked early, the wrong way round, by an FX dealer (probably in EVIL TORY LONDON) so as to make a very quick killing on the £
What an utter bastard. Totally unbecoming of the decent financiers of this country.
I believe so also; the tweet of 52 YES came from a financial source. I hope the FSA investigate...
The FSA don't exist any more, it is the PRA these days
Fascinating rumours that the ICM poll was leaked early, the wrong way round, by an FX dealer (probably in EVIL TORY LONDON) so as to make a very quick killing on the £
What an utter bastard. Totally unbecoming of the decent financiers of this country.
I believe so also; the tweet of 52 YES came from a financial source. I hope the FSA investigate...
The FSA don't exist any more, it is the PRA these days
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Leaves me plenty time to sit on tenterhooks in the house after work, Thursday.
How exciting though.
#ThisIsTheInternetSoIWillTakeNoChancesAndMakeClearIAmJoking
1) Publication for the Wednesday print edition
or
2) Publication on Wednesday on the newspaper website for the Thursday print edition
Some people think I'm joking about differential front end grip, you know.
For shame
@Casino
Yes, I certainly made the comparisons with Quebec and no I wouldn't be flabbergasted if it was 93% (surprised...but not f...d). That isn't quite the same as saying that I thought it would be 93% though. The important point from a betting point of view was that I was sure the betting markets were underestimating turnover, and I'm happy that my advice for people to get on appears to be working out well.
If I had to commit to a single figure right now I'd guess 84%, but 9 points higher is possible - 9 lower isn't.
All clear?
But I'd have gone for "Should Scotland become independent from the UK?"
Or "Is Gordon Brown ace and David Cameron a chinless born loser?"
Something like that.
For the record, though, I placed my turnout bets ages ago back in July - so it was an early independent spot;-)
Unless I am mistaken, the last figures were : 46.5 Yes to 53.5 No (42 Yes, 49 No, 7 DK)
Britain Elects @britainelects 13m
Becoming pretty historic that they haven't been leaked yet.
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB 6m
@britainelects The polling industry's learned lot in past 10 days. No embargoed copies and ultra secrecy. Even I don't know!
Is it a good thing to permit them?
I'm kicking myself for not putting more on. Spin's opening bid of 79 was ridiculously low,
@OpiniumResearch 5m
#indyref YES/NO #indypoll out in a few minutes... @Telegraph
Dan Hodges @DPJHodges 52s
Labour saying it will cancel its party conference if Scotland votes "Yes". Does Ed Miliband actually want anyone in England to vote Labour?
AMENDED: new @Survation #indyref poll for the Scottish Daily Mail will be published at 10pm.
"Labour To 'Cancel Annual Party Conference' If Scotland Votes 'Yes'" - my exclusive for HuffPost UK: http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/5831418?1410896690 …
AMENDED: new @Survation #indyref poll for the Scottish Daily Mail will be published at 10pm.
Latest ICM poll: 52% Yes, 48% No
zerohedge @zerohedge 3 mins
Latest ICM poll: 52% Yes, 48% No
Scottish Independence Poll (ICM): YES - 48% NO - 52%
@britainelects 38s
Scottish Independence Poll (ICM): YES - 41% NO - 45% (DK) - 14%
Scottish Independence Poll (ICM):
YES - 41%
NO - 45%
(DK) - 14%
Lab lead 3.68% - up from 3.53% in the previous period - so not a huge change in the lead. But Con and Lab both down significantly
Here http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/scottish-independence-poll-icm-puts-yes-up-to-48-1-3543614
First ever quantum poll, it seems. But surely by publishing it only one result becomes possible?
[I was a bit miffed when Lotus actually managed to get both cars to finish the last race].
Either "feck it let's do this" or "nae, too risky" last-minute pencil-hoverers are going to decide the fate of our nation.
Heh.
New #ICM #indyref poll for @TheScotsman shows a 6-point narrowing of gap: Yes 48% (+3), No 52% (-3). #VoteYes has the momentum. #letsdothis.
One day left and both ICM + @Telegraph Opinium poll predict 4pt No victory.
No 52
Yes 48
And the fact that admitting that you agree with the cynically negative Project Fear makes you look like a scary cat.
How big was Shaun Wright's payoff ?
How long will it be before Shaun Wright is given another public sector fatcat non-job ?
Keep up the NO hope....wait
edit - fixed already.
Yes, otherwise you would have to rely on the leaked "private polling" or "canvas returns" of the participants.
Basically, it really is this close - I can guarantee it. There was some internal polling done by one of the sides showing 41-41 with 18 undecided.
This is edge of the knife stuff, believe me. If the union survives, it'll be by a thread.
But starting to look hopeful. Go Gordon! Most countries allow them - France is a notable exception, though they get systematically leaked in neighbouring countries. Hard to prevent in the internet age.
I have said all along it will be 40-60.
LOL salmond and sturgeon humiliation and cheerio SNP as a political force!
Is malcolmg back yet? Should we let him back on Thursday night?!!
Does Bavaria have a zero tax zone along its border with Baden-Wurtemburg ?
Does Victoria have a zero tax zone along its border with New South Wales ?
Does New Jersey have a zero tax zone along its border with New York ?
etc, etc, etc
Not to mention the most likely movers to a zero tax zone in England would be English businesses from other parts of England rather than Scottish businesses, especially if English tax rates are raised elsewhere.
In other words the whole premise is crap, but crap being used as an argument to continue the treatment of English people as second class citizens.
BTW I wasn't referring to you as an anti-English bigot. They tend to be on the political left. But I was a little surprised that you gave any interest in the anti-English drivel which you posted.
Oh for politicians of Brown's stature in these days of political pygmies like Cameron.
What happened when Ed was campaigning today?
What was Salmond like on Sky news? I couldn't bring myself to watch.