I expect there will be something in the manifesto on that.
I doubt it. They will just promise to cut it further, but with no mechanism mentioned as to how. Given how the last promise turned out, we can't put much faith in it.
And, of course, Cameron is going to do practically nothing on EU immigration. Not even an attempt to limit it.
"And the big picture is that on the key issues facing the country - notably the economy, welfare, and education - they have governed extremely well."
On education some steps have been taken in the right direction, but our education system is still appalling, is still failing far too many children and will continue to do so until someone really gets a grip on the vested interests. Gove tried, made some progress and got sacked for his pains.
Kevin Williamson @williamsonkev 2m Dubious ICM poll about to be published. Disregard if big swing to YES or NO. They introduced untested methodology for this one.
On education some steps have been taken in the right direction, but our education system is still appalling, is still failing far too many children
Agreed. We need three terms to put the country back on the right course, as I've always said. That is precisely my point. Why on earth go back to the people who screwed it up so badly for 13 years, and who intend to screw it up even more badly next time?
Scottish referendum too close to call, says ICM poll
Guardian/ICM poll finds support for no campaign on 51% and yes on 49% with less than a week to go, but 17% of voters say they have yet to make up their mind
I expect there will be something in the manifesto on that.
I doubt it. They will just promise to cut it further, but with no mechanism mentioned as to how. Given how the last promise turned out, we can't put much faith in it.
And, of course, Cameron is going to do practically nothing on EU immigration. Not even an attempt to limit it.
However the EU will implement restrictions on movement, work and benefits avbailable and payable to EU migrants from poor / new EU states to the richer EU states such as rUK, Germany etc.
Scottish referendum too close to call, says ICM poll
Guardian/ICM poll finds support for no campaign on 51% and yes on 49% with less than a week to go, but 17% of voters say they have yet to make up their mind
And, of course, Cameron is going to do practically nothing on EU immigration. Not even an attempt to limit it.
Correct. And nor is anyone else. Get used to it. Even a UKIP government would have to sign a trade agreement with free movement of labour.
Given that the vast majority of the British public want to limit it, it will happen. Otherwise our democracy truly is broken. Which is another reason to vote UKIP: men like Carswell fighting for constitutional reform with recall elections and primaries. Similar things were in the manifesto but the Tories and Lib Dems didn't give a damn to actually see them through.
And for the one thousandth time, there is no way UKIP would sign a trade agreement with unlimited free movement of labour. It's not in the Korea-EU deal and it won't be in the Canada-EU deal, so there's no reason it needs to be in the UK-EU deal. I know you have to pretend otherwise to have a defensible position here, but you know full well it's nonsense.
Allowing 16-18 year olds to vote was a master stroke by Salmond. Shows why every European state was wary of giving them the franchise until they're over 18.
Scottish referendum too close to call, says ICM poll
Guardian/ICM poll finds support for no campaign on 51% and yes on 49% with less than a week to go, but 17% of voters say they have yet to make up their mind
I expect there will be something in the manifesto on that.
I doubt it. They will just promise to cut it further, but with no mechanism mentioned as to how. Given how the last promise turned out, we can't put much faith in it.
And, of course, Cameron is going to do practically nothing on EU immigration. Not even an attempt to limit it.
However the EU will implement restrictions on movement, work and benefits avbailable and payable to EU migrants from poor / new EU states to the richer EU states such as rUK, Germany etc.
They won't implement and restrictions on movement or work. Where on Earth did you get that idea from?
As for benefits, any restriction will only be access on the first year at most. It won't make a blind bit of difference to anyone immigration, whether they're Lithuanian builders or Bulgarian beggars.
Scottish referendum too close to call, says ICM poll
Guardian/ICM poll finds support for no campaign on 51% and yes on 49% with less than a week to go, but 17% of voters say they have yet to make up their mind
And, of course, Cameron is going to do practically nothing on EU immigration. Not even an attempt to limit it.
Correct. And nor is anyone else. Get used to it. Even a UKIP government would have to sign a trade agreement with free movement of labour.
Given that the vast majority of the British public want to limit it, it will happen. Otherwise our democracy truly is broken. Which is another reason to vote UKIP: men like Carswell fighting for constitutional reform with recall elections and primaries. Similar things were in the manifesto but the Tories and Lib Dems didn't give a damn to actually see them through.
And for the one thousandth time, there is no way UKIP would sign a trade agreement with unlimited free movement of labour. It's not in the Korea-EU deal and it won't be in the Canada-EU deal, so there's no reason it needs to be in the UK-EU deal. I know you have to pretend otherwise to have a defensible position here, but you know full well it's nonsense.
You do know that geographically Korea and Canada are nowhere near Europe, and so free movement of labour is irrelevant to those deals?
What can Kippers learn for the EU referendum from the Sindy referendum ?
I would have thought turning the poll into a cult of the glorious leader has been shown to fail.
Time for a new Kipper approach ?
You can see why Kippers are so afraid of a referendum, and doing all their best, to put Ed Miliband into Downing Street and stop a referendum happening.
Sometimes you can be very astute and at other times incredibly stupid. If after all this time you have still not got lost the 'divine right to rule' mindset that permeates certain sections of the Tory party then there really is no hope for you.
Answers Kipper discussion with "Tories" - the failed tactics of the SNP...
Nope. Moronic interpretation from you failing to follow the discussion. My reply was specifically in answer to TSE claiming that voting UKIP would put Miliband in power. Now unless he thinks the Lib Dems are going to sweep to power if no one votes UKIP then the only party he could have been talking about as an alternative is the Tories - which in case you missed it is his party.
Basic logic. Something you seem incapable of understanding.
That's a bit like using David Davis as a guide to Mr Cameron's policies. Mr Sillars has rather less political power than Gordon Brown - he is not even currently a MSP.
Allowing 16-18 year olds to vote was a master stroke by Salmond. Shows why every European state was wary of giving them the franchise until they're over 18.
It was a cynical manoeuvre by Salmond, which, if the polls are to be believed has backfired.
What is surprising is how confident both sides are that they will win. How can NO campaigners be finding that it is a 2:1 split on the doorstep as Dan Hodges claims (though he has form) with this kind of polling going on? Yes now looks incredibly well priced. When though was the fieldwork done? Prior to black Wednesday or (federal) Brown Tuesday?
Chatting to my son last night made me remember a recent survey which showed that the young are much more right wing than their parents in their attitudes. I think this may be part of the reason for there lack of enthusiasm in the creation of the Scottish Socialist state. It also may mean that this referendum is the last chance for a Yes vote.
The hot headed nationalist fervour which I was brought up in does not exist amongst the young. On the march with Ally's army means nothing to them.
One area I am surprised is how few Yes stickers exist in Glasgow. No more than 1% of windows exhibit a voting preference. In my block of around 1,000 flats I have seen just one sticker.
Over the last few days I have become more and more confident that No will get its vote out and thus win. I expect very little movement in intentions except that a few Yes may get cold feet and vote No at the booth. I continue to mistrust the poll weightings which stick to the last Scottish election.
RIP - a decent man who fought hard to stem the flow of handwringing to terrorists.
While he was a long way above the terrorist sympathisers in Sinn Fein, he was still highly bigoted towards Catholics, atheists and gay people. Let's not pretend otherwise.
As I have already said it would be difficult for the Scots to present a regime that was harsher and more ill considered than that perpetuated by successive UK governments over the last 2 decades.
The fact that it is better to operate in Norway than the UK at the moment surely says something about how bad the UK is managing the North Sea.
IIRC, Norway gives you 89% of your money back if you drill a dry hole. That's not such an unattractive regime...
Nope they give you 72% of your operating costs as an offset against tax on other production on an exploration well if it is dry and that is a small number of holes. But that is exactly what I am talking about.
The environment for drilling in Norway is far more difficult with a lot more deep water and Arctic exploration, much higher Labour costs and a much tougher regime on the oil companies in terms of working regulations for employees (all offshore workers do a 2 on 4 off rotation for example).
And yet overall because the Norwegians provide a very stable and well balanced tax regime for the oil companies it is far more attractive for companies to work there than the UK system where the tax rules changes every year or so.
Scottish referendum too close to call, says ICM poll
Guardian/ICM poll finds support for no campaign on 51% and yes on 49% with less than a week to go, but 17% of voters say they have yet to make up their mind
A Quebec moment methinks......
Yougov finds 3% undecided and ICM finds 17%
Say what ?
It's these phone polls: What? Whats that you said? I cant hear you! What?
And, of course, Cameron is going to do practically nothing on EU immigration. Not even an attempt to limit it.
Correct. And nor is anyone else. Get used to it. Even a UKIP government would have to sign a trade agreement with free movement of labour.
Given that the vast majority of the British public want to limit it, it will happen. Otherwise our democracy truly is broken. Which is another reason to vote UKIP: men like Carswell fighting for constitutional reform with recall elections and primaries. Similar things were in the manifesto but the Tories and Lib Dems didn't give a damn to actually see them through.
And for the one thousandth time, there is no way UKIP would sign a trade agreement with unlimited free movement of labour. It's not in the Korea-EU deal and it won't be in the Canada-EU deal, so there's no reason it needs to be in the UK-EU deal. I know you have to pretend otherwise to have a defensible position here, but you know full well it's nonsense.
You do know that geographically Korea and Canada are nowhere near Europe, and so free movement of labour is irrelevant to those deals?
And normally you're so logical.
Your logic is the one failing here. If you really don't think poor people from Eastern Europe want to work in North America then you have a laughable grasp of history.
Besides, that's irrelevant. The question is "Would the EU be willing to sign up for a trade deal for the economic benefits despite not being able to export their poor workers?" The answer is clearly yes. Whether the obstacle is geography or political impossibility does not matter.
Allowing 16-18 year olds to vote was a master stroke by Salmond. Shows why every European state was wary of giving them the franchise until they're over 18.
I thought it was LD and Labour policy (but may be wrong on the latter).
But I also thought PB wisdom was the complete opposite for months and that the youngsters would win it for No? (Seriously. This is so counter to it that I am a bit surprised by your comment.)
BTW some lasses and loons don't seem too impressed with the way the BBC edited the Bigbigdebate broadcast last night, and what was carefully left out, any more than with its organization and Mr Galloway - which will no doubt have its effect. But after the fieldwork for the poll I assume.
Re the £ fall - so glad my pension [paid from the UK in €s] went in the bank this morning and almost identical to last months. Hopefully if the vote is yes any resultant turbulence will be over by next month. Other than that if Scotland chooses to go I'm just not very bovvered - after seeing some of the scenes on TV this week it increasingly seems a rather bigoted place full of resentment and bitterness. Maybe they need to be on their own to sort themselves out.
As I have already said it would be difficult for the Scots to present a regime that was harsher and more ill considered than that perpetuated by successive UK governments over the last 2 decades.
The fact that it is better to operate in Norway than the UK at the moment surely says something about how bad the UK is managing the North Sea.
IIRC, Norway gives you 89% of your money back if you drill a dry hole. That's not such an unattractive regime...
Nope they give you 72% of your operating costs as an offset against tax on other production on an exploration well if it is dry and that is a small number of holes. But that is exactly what I am talking about.
The environment for drilling in Norway is far more difficult with a lot more deep water and Arctic exploration, much higher Labour costs and a much tougher regime on the oil companies in terms of working regulations for employees (all offshore workers do a 2 on 4 off rotation for example).
And yet overall because the Norwegians provide a very stable and well balanced tax regime for the oil companies it is far more attractive for companies to work there than the UK system where the tax rules changes every year or so.
Stimulating exploration would require a mega tax break was the last conclusion I saw plus a pledge not to mess with the rates for at least five years.
I used to see (hear?) him thundering away in Ballymena Market years ago. I will not miss him....
I met him twice, the first time with some trepidation, and found him to be charming, courteous and thoughtful, so very different from the public persona and how he was always portrayed on TV that I was genuinely taken aback. A man of strong beliefs for sure, but not the bigot he was often portrayed as. I hope he gets on well with his new neighbours.
@Carnyx It always was a surprise that Salmond and The SNP believe that 16 year olds are as mature politically as 18 year olds. Most European democracies are wary of letting school kids near the ballot boxes, but Salmond was happy to let a bunch of immature voters loose on the referendum. The decision stunk at the time, and still stinks.
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@DPJHodges: People commenting on the 17% "undecideds" in the ICM poll. They're not undecideds. They're No voters.
5, 4, 3, 2, 1...
He's exaggerating, but fundamentally right. I'd guess 17% will break 11-6 to NO. Which would seal the deal for the union. Heck, half of them were probably women too scared to say NO as their ruddy-faced husband was in the same room ranting about Westminster and Tories.
So people are very sure the DK's will break for the status quo. I can understand why that is the case, the argument is simple. But why then is that not the case with the Scottish Devolution referendum in 1997 where DK's broke more towards Devo than Status Quo.
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And, of course, Cameron is going to do practically nothing on EU immigration. Not even an attempt to limit it.
http://electionsetc.com/2014/09/12/forecast-update-12-september-2014/#more-446
"And the big picture is that on the key issues facing the country - notably the economy, welfare, and education - they have governed extremely well."
On education some steps have been taken in the right direction, but our education system is still appalling, is still failing far too many children and will continue to do so until someone really gets a grip on the vested interests. Gove tried, made some progress and got sacked for his pains.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/11080151/Nearly-half-of-poor-11-year-olds-unable-to-read-books-newspapers-and-websites.html
Dubious ICM poll about to be published. Disregard if big swing to YES or NO. They introduced untested methodology for this one.
Yes... phones. hahahaha...
Scottish referendum too close to call, says ICM poll
Guardian/ICM poll finds support for no campaign on 51% and yes on 49% with less than a week to go, but 17% of voters say they have yet to make up their mind
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/12/scottish-referendum-too-close-to-call-says-icm-poll
Scottish Independence Poll (ICM):
YES - 49%
NO - 51%
Scottish Independence Poll (ICM):
YES - 49%
NO - 51%
Guardian/ICM poll finds support for no campaign on 51% and yes on 49% with less than a week to go, but 17% of voters say they have yet to make up their mind
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/12/scottish-referendum-too-close-to-call-says-icm-poll?CMP=twt_gu
And for the one thousandth time, there is no way UKIP would sign a trade agreement with unlimited free movement of labour. It's not in the Korea-EU deal and it won't be in the Canada-EU deal, so there's no reason it needs to be in the UK-EU deal. I know you have to pretend otherwise to have a defensible position here, but you know full well it's nonsense.
ICM/Guardian Poll: No 51%, Yes 49% http://order-order.com/2014/09/12/icmguardian-poll-no-51-yes-49/ …
Neck and Neck
@TelePolitics: Big business warned of 'day of reckoning' if Scots vote Yes http://t.co/9qSXQi7foK
As for benefits, any restriction will only be access on the first year at most. It won't make a blind bit of difference to anyone immigration, whether they're Lithuanian builders or Bulgarian beggars.
Say what ?
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You do know that geographically Korea and Canada are nowhere near Europe, and so free movement of labour is irrelevant to those deals?
And normally you're so logical.
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Basic logic. Something you seem incapable of understanding.
17% wont say..
NO needs a bigger lead than this.
The hot headed nationalist fervour which I was brought up in does not exist amongst the young. On the march with Ally's army means nothing to them.
One area I am surprised is how few Yes stickers exist in Glasgow. No more than 1% of windows exhibit a voting preference. In my block of around 1,000 flats I have seen just one sticker.
Over the last few days I have become more and more confident that No will get its vote out and thus win. I expect very little movement in intentions except that a few Yes may get cold feet and vote No at the booth. I continue to mistrust the poll weightings which stick to the last Scottish election.
Reason why 17% DKs in ICM phone poll compared with 4% YouGov is that the latter are members of polling panel & therefore more engaged
The environment for drilling in Norway is far more difficult with a lot more deep water and Arctic exploration, much higher Labour costs and a much tougher regime on the oil companies in terms of working regulations for employees (all offshore workers do a 2 on 4 off rotation for example).
And yet overall because the Norwegians provide a very stable and well balanced tax regime for the oil companies it is far more attractive for companies to work there than the UK system where the tax rules changes every year or so.
Check your calendar Malc.
Besides, that's irrelevant. The question is "Would the EU be willing to sign up for a trade deal for the economic benefits despite not being able to export their poor workers?" The answer is clearly yes. Whether the obstacle is geography or political impossibility does not matter.
5, 4, 3, 2, 1...
But I also thought PB wisdom was the complete opposite for months and that the youngsters would win it for No? (Seriously. This is so counter to it that I am a bit surprised by your comment.)
BTW some lasses and loons don't seem too impressed with the way the BBC edited the Bigbigdebate broadcast last night, and what was carefully left out, any more than with its organization and Mr Galloway - which will no doubt have its effect. But after the fieldwork for the poll I assume.
NO NO NO!
The judge in the Oscar Pistorious case is a total moron. She said he didn't act like a killer. This is another O.J. disaster!
I must say I tend to concur.
That verdict is the best argument for the jury system I have ever heard.