Can someone who knows about Scottish politics explain something to me? I've heard that Aberdeenshire is expected to be one of the most heavily anti-independence areas, and indeed it was one of the most against devolution in the 1997 referendum. But isn't that the SNP's heartland of heartlands?
A lot of people in Scotland vote for the party best placed to beat the Tories. In Aberdeenshire that's often been the SNP. It doesn't necessarily mean they're pro-independence.
I am from Aberdeen and my dad was a Lib Dem councillor briefly. This is a wealthy and very independently minded place that distrusts Edinburgh as much as Westminster. It is pro royal due to Braemar, pro the army and mostly rural. In Aberdeen there are some really grim housing estates. Many more than you would expect. No this is not SNP heartland but will have some pockets of SNP strength. This is the kind of place which does not take arrogance or half truths well.
Andrew Sinclair @andrewpolitics 20m Around 200 people are at tonight's conservative primary. Around 75% non party members
Andrew Sinclair @andrewpolitics 15m Ukip have a van outside the clacton primary which declares thst HS2 "won't help the north east" Do they know where they are?
My Lord, if that's true then it proves that the UKIP leadership are not loonies, but 100% certifiably insane.
They're using the same van they had for the a South Shields by election and haven't had a re spray by the look of it... Hardly a biggie
Yes, I'm sure the good people of Clacton will like being mistaken for living in the northeast.It shows contempt for them.
Besides, it's a bogus argument. Firstly, since when did an infrastructure project have to benefit all parts of the country? Should we not have the Kingskerswell Bypass because it does not benefit Kent? The A14 upgrade here in Cambridge because it does not benefit Mancunians?
Secondly, UKIP wanted several high-speed lines in their laughable 2010 manifesto.
Thirdly, it does benefit parts of the northeast.
You might get a little more credit if you occasionally said: "Oops!" instead of religiously defending anything UKIP.
Can someone who knows about Scottish politics explain something to me? I've heard that Aberdeenshire is expected to be one of the most heavily anti-independence areas, and indeed it was one of the most against devolution in the 1997 referendum. But isn't that the SNP's heartland of heartlands?
A lot of people in Scotland vote for the party best placed to beat the Tories. In Aberdeenshire that's often been the SNP. It doesn't necessarily mean they're pro-independence.
That makes sense, but it's just the scale of the mismatch that seems bizarre. I mean, in the 2011 Scottish election, the SNP's performance in Aberdeenshire was virtually North Korean-like (64% in one seat and 67% in another).
In the breathless excitement of yesterday's news the voodoo pollsters emerge from the shadows.
ComRes aren't a voodoo pollster
Indeed they aren't. I was referring to, and quoting from, the ITV Border poll which is just a gigantic pile of poo.
It isn't, it is properly weighted for the region, has a proper sample size.
OK as a regional poll, but it's sooooo full of problems re. weighting and then people erroneously extrapolating from it. A poll solely of the south of Scotland is, at this stage of the campaign, a bit daft. The last one for comparison was three months ago. They'd have done better keeping the 1000 sample size and making it a properly weighted national poll for comparison with their own and other national indy polls.
Can someone who knows about Scottish politics explain something to me? I've heard that Aberdeenshire is expected to be one of the most heavily anti-independence areas, and indeed it was one of the most against devolution in the 1997 referendum. But isn't that the SNP's heartland of heartlands?
A lot of people in Scotland vote for the party best placed to beat the Tories. In Aberdeenshire that's often been the SNP. It doesn't necessarily mean they're pro-independence.
Isn't it more the case that Aberdeen is the richest part of Scotland (oil), so they often vote for the "Tartan Tories" - the SNP - to keep out Labour?
However when it comes to indy we know the middle classes are firmly NO, including Aberdeen.
I'm from Aberdeen and steadfastly vote Conservative.
I've never been able to bring myself to tactical vote.
In the breathless excitement of yesterday's news the voodoo pollsters emerge from the shadows.
ComRes aren't a voodoo pollster
Indeed they aren't. I was referring to, and quoting from, the ITV Border poll which is just a gigantic pile of poo.
It isn't, it is properly weighted for the region, has a proper sample size.
OK as a regional poll, but it's sooooo full of problems re. weighting and then people erroneously extrapolating from it. A poll solely of the south of Scotland is, at this stage of the campaign, a bit daft. The last one for comparison was three months ago. They'd have done better keeping the 1000 sample size and making it a properly weighted national poll for comparison with their own and other national indy polls.
Andrew Sinclair @andrewpolitics 20m Around 200 people are at tonight's conservative primary. Around 75% non party members
Andrew Sinclair @andrewpolitics 15m Ukip have a van outside the clacton primary which declares thst HS2 "won't help the north east" Do they know where they are?
My Lord, if that's true then it proves that the UKIP leadership are not loonies, but 100% certifiably insane.
They're using the same van they had for the a South Shields by election and haven't had a re spray by the look of it... Hardly a biggie
Yes, I'm sure the good people of Clacton will like being mistaken for living in the northeast.It shows contempt for them.
Besides, it's a bogus argument. Firstly, since when did an infrastructure project have to benefit all parts of the country? Should we not have the Kingskerswell Bypass because it does not benefit Kent? The A14 upgrade here in Cambridge because it does not benefit Mancunians?
Secondly, UKIP wanted several high-speed lines in their laughable 2010 manifesto.
Thirdly, it does benefit parts of the northeast.
You might get a little more credit if you occasionally said: "Oops!" instead of religiously defending anything UKIP.
I didn't defend it I just said why I thought it had happened. They drove people down there in an old van, probably forgot what it said on it
The report made it sound as if they'd painted it thinking that clacton was in the North East which is obviously not the case
Couldn't care less about your credit... If you think it's a blow for ukip you can back the Tories at massive odds to beat them
Andrew Sinclair @andrewpolitics 20m Around 200 people are at tonight's conservative primary. Around 75% non party members
Andrew Sinclair @andrewpolitics 15m Ukip have a van outside the clacton primary which declares thst HS2 "won't help the north east" Do they know where they are?
My Lord, if that's true then it proves that the UKIP leadership are not loonies, but 100% certifiably insane.
They're using the same van they had for the a South Shields by election and haven't had a re spray by the look of it... Hardly a biggie
Yes, I'm sure the good people of Clacton will like being mistaken for living in the northeast.It shows contempt for them.
Besides, it's a bogus argument. Firstly, since when did an infrastructure project have to benefit all parts of the country? Should we not have the Kingskerswell Bypass because it does not benefit Kent? The A14 upgrade here in Cambridge because it does not benefit Mancunians?
Secondly, UKIP wanted several high-speed lines in their laughable 2010 manifesto.
Thirdly, it does benefit parts of the northeast.
You might get a little more credit if you occasionally said: "Oops!" instead of religiously defending anything UKIP.
I didn't defend it I just said why I thought it had happened. They drove people down there in an old van, probably forgot what it said on it
The report made it sound as if they'd painted it thinking that clacton was in the North East which is obviously not the case
Couldn't care less about your credit... If you think it's a blow for ukip you can back the Tories at massive odds to beat them
For those of us who'll be out of the country on 18/19th September, will there be live streaming of any of the results programmes available internationally?
For those of us who'll be out of the country on 18/19th September, will there be live streaming of any of the results programmes available internationally?
If you give him your phone number, I'm sure Malcolm will give you a personal vote by vote report, and his own commentary for free.
For those of us who'll be out of the country on 18/19th September, will there be live streaming of any of the results programmes available internationally?
Potentially fascinating map - though the graphic designer had a rather odd way of doing it, unless his data restricted him. One can't sense the boundary. Nor does it allow for population: the Isles in particular seem prone to statistical fluctuation of small populations.
For those of us who'll be out of the country on 18/19th September, will there be live streaming of any of the results programmes available internationally?
or perhaps you'd like to suggest a suitable verse from Catullus.
Tacitus might be more appropriate!
no Tacitus was just too nice to the scots - much like Agricola ;-)
Pedants' corner: the Scots were still in Ulster at the time . They were tangling with the Picts - sort of a Welshy lot.
quite so. The welsh were the scots and the scots were irish, so to speak.
And when is Alex Salmond going to recognise the naked aggression inflicted by Kenneth McAlpin on the innocent Pictish/Welsh of Strathclyde and Dumfries and Galloway and hand these lands back to their rightful government in Cardiff say I? ;-)
or perhaps you'd like to suggest a suitable verse from Catullus.
Tacitus might be more appropriate!
no Tacitus was just too nice to the scots - much like Agricola ;-)
Pedants' corner: the Scots were still in Ulster at the time . They were tangling with the Picts - sort of a Welshy lot.
quite so. The welsh were the scots and the scots were irish, so to speak.
And when is Alex Salmond going to recognise the naked aggression inflicted by Kenneth McAlpin on the innocent Pictish/Welsh of Strathclyde and Dumfries and Galloway and hand these lands back to their rightful government in Cardiff say I? ;-)
Not to mention the Votadini/Gododdin wanting their land back ...
"There isn’t an official BBC/ITV exit poll for the referendum – these days you only get them for general elections."
Shame on them ..... bloody penny-pinchers!
I'm sure somebody will do one. The publicity alone would make it worth the outlay.
Meanwhile, I have an image of Alex Salmond in Bute House, staring at his mobile. Waiting for the booty call from Uncle Rupert.
Nope, it costs a lot of money, and takes a lot of planning, which can't be done in the last week.
But do you know Sky aren't doing one? It seems an obvious move, as it would strengthen their claim to equality with the BBC - hey look, we did what the so-called national broadcaster didn't do.
And if they had an exit poll they would then grab all the indyref viewers from the off. "Tune in for our exit poll, coming soon".
Millions would switch, and wait.
Their advertisers would love it. I'd be quite surprised if Sky News - who do not lack money - haven't thought about it.
I think they have also ruled one out.
The UK General Election was co funded by Sky, BBC and ITV.
I think the logistics rule out commissioning one this close to the referendum/
"There isn’t an official BBC/ITV exit poll for the referendum – these days you only get them for general elections."
Shame on them ..... bloody penny-pinchers!
I'm sure somebody will do one. The publicity alone would make it worth the outlay.
Meanwhile, I have an image of Alex Salmond in Bute House, staring at his mobile. Waiting for the booty call from Uncle Rupert.
Nope, it costs a lot of money, and takes a lot of planning, which can't be done in the last week.
But do you know Sky aren't doing one? It seems an obvious move, as it would strengthen their claim to equality with the BBC - hey look, we did what the so-called national broadcaster didn't do.
And if they had an exit poll they would then grab all the indyref viewers from the off. "Tune in for our exit poll, coming soon".
Millions would switch, and wait.
Their advertisers would love it. I'd be quite surprised if Sky News - who do not lack money - haven't thought about it.
Perhaps they thought it was a foregone conclusion.
or perhaps you'd like to suggest a suitable verse from Catullus.
Tacitus might be more appropriate!
no Tacitus was just too nice to the scots - much like Agricola ;-)
Pedants' corner: the Scots were still in Ulster at the time . They were tangling with the Picts - sort of a Welshy lot.
quite so. The welsh were the scots and the scots were irish, so to speak.
And when is Alex Salmond going to recognise the naked aggression inflicted by Kenneth McAlpin on the innocent Pictish/Welsh of Strathclyde and Dumfries and Galloway and hand these lands back to their rightful government in Cardiff say I? ;-)
Not to mention the Votadini/Gododdin wanting their land back ...
Well that really would upset Edinburgh's financial service sector! Think we can all agree on that .
Think they ended up migrating to Gwynedd so their descendants are still Welsh.
Potentially fascinating map - though the graphic designer had a rather odd way of doing it, unless his data restricted him. One can't sense the boundary. Nor does it allow for population: the Isles in particular seem prone to statistical fluctuation of small populations.
No exit poll means it'll be a lot more exciting waiting for the real votes to be counted. They're so accurate these days that they take a lot of the interest out of election night. 2005 election: exit poll predicted a 66 seat Labour majority, which is precisely what it was. Same thing in 2010.
Potentially fascinating map - though the graphic designer had a rather odd way of doing it, unless his data restricted him. One can't sense the boundary. Nor does it allow for population: the Isles in particular seem prone to statistical fluctuation of small populations.
Andrew Sinclair @andrewpolitics 20m Around 200 people are at tonight's conservative primary. Around 75% non party members
Andrew Sinclair @andrewpolitics 15m Ukip have a van outside the clacton primary which declares thst HS2 "won't help the north east" Do they know where they are?
My Lord, if that's true then it proves that the UKIP leadership are not loonies, but 100% certifiably insane.
They're using the same van they had for the a South Shields by election and haven't had a re spray by the look of it... Hardly a biggie
Yes, I'm sure the good people of Clacton will like being mistaken for living in the northeast.It shows contempt for them.
Besides, it's a bogus argument. Firstly, since when did an infrastructure project have to benefit all parts of the country? Should we not have the Kingskerswell Bypass because it does not benefit Kent? The A14 upgrade here in Cambridge because it does not benefit Mancunians?
Secondly, UKIP wanted several high-speed lines in their laughable 2010 manifesto.
Thirdly, it does benefit parts of the northeast.
You might get a little more credit if you occasionally said: "Oops!" instead of religiously defending anything UKIP.
When its costs are estimated as anything up to £70billion (and the DoT put it at £43billion). £43 billion buys an awful lot of ordinary transport upgrades like the A14 upgrade. If it turns out to be the White Elephant vanity project that many think then clearly that money could have been better spent improving the transport links for many whole counties instead of just a few cities. To pretend otherwise is extremely disingenuous.
Andrew Sinclair @andrewpolitics 20m Around 200 people are at tonight's conservative primary. Around 75% non party members
Andrew Sinclair @andrewpolitics 15m Ukip have a van outside the clacton primary which declares thst HS2 "won't help the north east" Do they know where they are?
My Lord, if that's true then it proves that the UKIP leadership are not loonies, but 100% certifiably insane.
They're using the same van they had for the a South Shields by election and haven't had a re spray by the look of it... Hardly a biggie
Yes, I'm sure the good people of Clacton will like being mistaken for living in the northeast.It shows contempt for them.
Besides, it's a bogus argument. Firstly, since when did an infrastructure project have to benefit all parts of the country? Should we not have the Kingskerswell Bypass because it does not benefit Kent? The A14 upgrade here in Cambridge because it does not benefit Mancunians?
Secondly, UKIP wanted several high-speed lines in their laughable 2010 manifesto.
Thirdly, it does benefit parts of the northeast.
You might get a little more credit if you occasionally said: "Oops!" instead of religiously defending anything UKIP.
When its costs are estimated as anything up to £70billion (and the DoT put it at £43billion). £43 billion buys an awful lot of ordinary transport upgrades like the A14 upgrade. If it turns out to be the White Elephant vanity project that many think then clearly that money could have been better spent improving the transport links for many whole counties instead of just a few cities. To pretend otherwise is extremely disingenuous.
"... anything up to £70billion"
Anyone who believes that figure needs serious education.
"If it turns out to be the White Elephant vanity project"
There is a real problem that needs solving. May I suggest you read the relevant documentation.
If the poll is to be believed could we be looking at the start of the campaign for the partitioning of Scotland with British separatists in the border counties demanding to remain with the Union (after all why should an independent Scotland retain its UK regional border?). That would then leave Kim Jong Eck master of 'North Scotland'?
does anybody how much a poll costs to do? with, say 1000 participants from a decent firm? (Out of interest, I couldn't afford one from a betting perspective!)
Andrew Sinclair @andrewpolitics 20m Around 200 people are at tonight's conservative primary. Around 75% non party members
Andrew Sinclair @andrewpolitics 15m Ukip have a van outside the clacton primary which declares thst HS2 "won't help the north east" Do they know where they are?
My Lord, if that's true then it proves that the UKIP leadership are not loonies, but 100% certifiably insane.
They're using the same van they had for the a South Shields by election and haven't had a re spray by the look of it... Hardly a biggie
Yes, I'm sure the good people of Clacton will like being mistaken for living in the northeast.It shows contempt for them.
Besides, it's a bogus argument. Firstly, since when did an infrastructure project have to benefit all parts of the country? Should we not have the Kingskerswell Bypass because it does not benefit Kent? The A14 upgrade here in Cambridge because it does not benefit Mancunians?
Secondly, UKIP wanted several high-speed lines in their laughable 2010 manifesto.
Thirdly, it does benefit parts of the northeast.
You might get a little more credit if you occasionally said: "Oops!" instead of religiously defending anything UKIP.
"... anything up to £70billion"
Anyone who believes that figure needs serious education.
"If it turns out to be the White Elephant vanity project"
There is a real problem that needs solving. May I suggest you read the relevant documentation.
"Just a few cities"
The biggest cities in England.
IIRC Isn't the 70 billion figure the Treasury figure that has been rationalised to include inflation over the period of the project and therefore is a reasonable estimate of the actual end cost at the end of the project?
There may be a real problem but turning the likes of Birmingham into a dormitory for London (which is primarily what HS1 has done for specific Kent towns) is not the answer to the problem that it is supposed to fix.
So on we go with the continual polarisation around a handful of increasingly unmanageable and relatively expensive urban centres where the quality of life is dubious to say the least when the Tories have expressed time and time again that they wish to re-balance the economy. Have they ever heard of dis-economies of scale?
does anybody how much a poll costs to do? with, say 1000 participants from a decent firm? (Out of interest, I couldn't afford one from a betting perspective!)
does anybody how much a poll costs to do? with, say 1000 participants from a decent firm? (Out of interest, I couldn't afford one from a betting perspective!)
A phone poll can cost between £20k and 100k.
Online polls are a lot cheaper.
Who are they phoning?? Some dodgy premium rate lines, no doubt.
does anybody how much a poll costs to do? with, say 1000 participants from a decent firm? (Out of interest, I couldn't afford one from a betting perspective!)
A phone poll can cost between £20k and 100k.
Online polls are a lot cheaper.
Who are they phoning?? Some dodgy premium rate lines, no doubt.
You need serious manpower to get it completed in a reasonable time frame.
does anybody how much a poll costs to do? with, say 1000 participants from a decent firm? (Out of interest, I couldn't afford one from a betting perspective!)
A phone poll can cost between £20k and 100k.
Online polls are a lot cheaper.
Who are they phoning?? Some dodgy premium rate lines, no doubt.
You need serious manpower to get it completed in a reasonable time frame.
So I've just realised, with no exit polls there'll be no way for the morning papers to call it if the final polling is close. They'll have gone to print before even the first results are out won't they?
IIRC Isn't the 70 billion figure the Treasury figure that has been rationalised to include inflation over the period of the project and therefore is a reasonable estimate of the actual end cost at the end of the project?
There may be a real problem but turning the likes of Birmingham into a dormitory for London (which is primarily what HS1 has done for specific Kent towns) is not the answer to the problem that it is supposed to fix.
So on we go with the continual polarisation around a handful of increasingly unmanageable and relatively expensive urban centres where the quality of life is dubious to say the least the Tories have expressed time and time again that they wish to re-balance the economy. Have they ever heard of dis-economies of scale?
The £70bn figure is *alleged* to be a treasury figure, as told be someone to someone. But you never measure projects in such a manner; it's not the way it is done. So every alternative project would also have to be calculated in that manner for comparison.
In addition, it is widely believed to have been plucked out of someone's backside.
Cities and towns outside the main HS2 routes benefit from having 'traditional' trains join them at places like Crewe, and running high-speed down to London.
Your arguments are ones of non-progress. Would you have been against the GWR in the early 1830s?
does anybody how much a poll costs to do? with, say 1000 participants from a decent firm? (Out of interest, I couldn't afford one from a betting perspective!)
A phone poll can cost between £20k and 100k.
Online polls are a lot cheaper.
Who are they phoning?? Some dodgy premium rate lines, no doubt.
The response rate can be quite poor, so you might have to ring 10,000 people to get 1,000 responses.
how long per phone call? 15 minutes including time to find somebody who answers the phone....so average minimum wager can survey, say 30 people in an 8 hour shift...so 30 staff could get the job done...pay them each £80-£100 per day..it's a good earner for the pollsters...£3k on wages, £1500 on phone calls computer stuff...sounds like a high margin business...you would need a few boffins to crunch the numbers as well of course, and a PR team...
does anybody how much a poll costs to do? with, say 1000 participants from a decent firm? (Out of interest, I couldn't afford one from a betting perspective!)
A phone poll can cost between £20k and 100k.
Online polls are a lot cheaper.
Who are they phoning?? Some dodgy premium rate lines, no doubt.
The response rate can be quite poor, so you might have to ring 10,000 people to get 1,000 responses.
So £10 per call.. probably takes on average 5 minutes per call (taking into account those very quick calls where the other end doesn't pick up)... think I should get in on this game at £120 an hour!
Oh god. This sounds bad for NO. Or maybe I am being paranoid!
@tnewtondunn 1m It's been a rollercoaster week - but it's not over yet. Stay tuned for our latest @YouGov poll on how Scots will vote; here, at 10pm.
I read it as meaning that Yes has plummeted as dramatically as it has rocketed but a week is still a long time in politics.
I am now a pathetic heap of gin-deprived nerves, but I read it as: the week began well for YES, but then swang back to NO (Survation, all the bank stuff) so this means it's swung AGAIN towards YES. A rollercoaster.
But I really DO need that bloody gin.
Well, as someone who has given us good wine tips on the past, what is your gin recommendation? I have been enjoying Sipsmith and Fever Tree, and Tom Collins made with Haymans Old Tom. Recently bought a bottle of Martin Miller's, first impression is that it is more elegant and smooth tasting than Sipsmith whicji has a lot of in-your-face fruity Juniper.
does anybody how much a poll costs to do? with, say 1000 participants from a decent firm? (Out of interest, I couldn't afford one from a betting perspective!)
A phone poll can cost between £20k and 100k.
Online polls are a lot cheaper.
Who are they phoning?? Some dodgy premium rate lines, no doubt.
The response rate can be quite poor, so you might have to ring 10,000 people to get 1,000 responses.
So £10 per call.. probably takes on average 5 minutes per call (taking into account those very quick calls where the other end doesn't pick up)... think I should get in on this game at £120 an hour!
Phone calls can be quite lengthy. Just look at the questions ICM and other phone pollsters ask, such as VI, and voter ID question
does anybody how much a poll costs to do? with, say 1000 participants from a decent firm? (Out of interest, I couldn't afford one from a betting perspective!)
A phone poll can cost between £20k and 100k.
Online polls are a lot cheaper.
Who are they phoning?? Some dodgy premium rate lines, no doubt.
The response rate can be quite poor, so you might have to ring 10,000 people to get 1,000 responses.
So £10 per call.. probably takes on average 5 minutes per call (taking into account those very quick calls where the other end doesn't pick up)... think I should get in on this game at £120 an hour!
Phone calls can be quite lengthy. Just look at the questions ICM and other phone pollsters ask, such as VI, and voter ID question
That average takes into account the 30 seconds for the call where no one answers. Given it is a 10:1 ratio, you could spend 45 minutes on the line to the 1 out of 10 who responds, to still make it an average of 5 minutes per call.
Comments
I was meant to be at the cinema tonight, but rescheduled my plans so I can bring PBers and Mike the YouGov polling.
You've given a fair and honest account I'd say.
Besides, it's a bogus argument. Firstly, since when did an infrastructure project have to benefit all parts of the country? Should we not have the Kingskerswell Bypass because it does not benefit Kent? The A14 upgrade here in Cambridge because it does not benefit Mancunians?
Secondly, UKIP wanted several high-speed lines in their laughable 2010 manifesto.
Thirdly, it does benefit parts of the northeast.
You might get a little more credit if you occasionally said: "Oops!" instead of religiously defending anything UKIP.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/picturesoftheday/11088885/Pictures-of-the-day-11-September-2014.html?frame=3034990
or perhaps you'd like to suggest a suitable verse from Catullus.
I've never been able to bring myself to tactical vote.
Catalan independence, that is, under the hashtag #CatalansVote9N. Apparently 1.8m people were marching on the streets of Barcelona.
I wonder how much the result and the fact a vote and campaign is being held in Scotland will affect Catalan opinion and that in Madrid.
I've got a special one, which will amuse many.
The report made it sound as if they'd painted it thinking that clacton was in the North East which is obviously not the case
Couldn't care less about your credit... If you think it's a blow for ukip you can back the Tories at massive odds to beat them
It was following this story.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2328067/Boris-Johnsons-secret-lovechild-daughter-Stephanie-victory-publics-right-know.html
UKIP professionalism.
Teehee
Anyway, I'm off.
"There isn’t an official BBC/ITV exit poll for the referendum – these days you only get them for general elections."
Shame on them ..... bloody penny-pinchers!
Potentially fascinating map - though the graphic designer had a rather odd way of doing it, unless his data restricted him. One can't sense the boundary. Nor does it allow for population: the Isles in particular seem prone to statistical fluctuation of small populations.
The June figures are 71% NO 15% YES 71% certain to vote.
High turnout favours Eck.
The UK General Election was co funded by Sky, BBC and ITV.
I think the logistics rule out commissioning one this close to the referendum/
Think they ended up migrating to Gwynedd so their descendants are still Welsh.
http://s1252.photobucket.com/user/photobucket114/media/voting_intentions_zpsc9720db0.png.html
Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn 41s
It's been a rollercoaster week - but it's not over yet. Stay tuned for our latest @YouGov poll on how Scots will vote; here, at 10pm.
It's been a rollercoaster week - but it's not over yet. Stay tuned for our latest @YouGov poll on how Scots will vote; here, at 10pm.
Nicholas Watt @nicholaswatt 3m
@tnewtondunn @YouGov give us a clue
Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn 35s
@nicholaswatt @YouGov No. Or should that be Yes?
So, there are going to be very few leaks, unlike with the survation and TNS-BMRB
Anyone who believes that figure needs serious education.
"If it turns out to be the White Elephant vanity project"
There is a real problem that needs solving. May I suggest you read the relevant documentation.
"Just a few cities"
The biggest cities in England.
Maybe they didn't tell him this time.
There may be a real problem but turning the likes of Birmingham into a dormitory for London (which is primarily what HS1 has done for specific Kent towns) is not the answer to the problem that it is supposed to fix.
So on we go with the continual polarisation around a handful of increasingly unmanageable and relatively expensive urban centres where the quality of life is dubious to say the least when the Tories have expressed time and time again that they wish to re-balance the economy. Have they ever heard of dis-economies of scale?
Online polls are a lot cheaper.
Don;t be such a wet blanket....
In addition, it is widely believed to have been plucked out of someone's backside.
Cities and towns outside the main HS2 routes benefit from having 'traditional' trains join them at places like Crewe, and running high-speed down to London.
Your arguments are ones of non-progress. Would you have been against the GWR in the early 1830s?
It's just my personal prediction, based on having spent most of the last 20 years staring at election statistics.