Brady doesnt get to decide whether there is a no confidence vote - it is triggered automatically by the letters from MPs.
You seem to be taking an almost unhealthy interest in the innermost workings of the Conservative Party. Can I interest you in a subscription? It will go straight to the Hersham Branch.
Surely the money would be better spend as a donation towards removing some of the many roundabouts on the A24 around there!! (Horsham!). That is a pain of a road when driving up to Gatwick!
Horsham...ghastly and grubby Hersham...radiant and rustic
Brady doesnt get to decide whether there is a no confidence vote - it is triggered automatically by the letters from MPs.
You seem to be taking an almost unhealthy interest in the innermost workings of the Conservative Party. Can I interest you in a subscription? It will go straight to the Hersham Branch.
Surely the money would be better spend as a donation towards removing some of the many roundabouts on the A24 around there!! (Horsham!). That is a pain of a road when driving up to Gatwick!
Horsham...ghastly and grubby Hersham...radiant and rustic
Shame on me for not having heard of Hersham before! And my brother lived in Feltham at one time so its not as though I don't know the area.
Just backed Philip Hammond, Theresa May and George Osborne for next PM in case Cameron resigns. I see all three as decent "under the bus" candidates. Hammond could even assume the John Major role and win a majority against the odds in 2015. He may be a bit charisma free, but he is state educated, comes from a modest background, has had a significant career outside of politics and is absolutely not a toff. He is wealthy, but AIUI he is a self-made millionaire. Better yet he is not a wet liberal fool like Cameron so he may give the Tories some well needed backbone. Happily he also has the longest odds of the three names.
This is madness!! If you think he resigns after the indyref just back the 16/1 he stops being PM in 2014
Hmm maybe but then you should back 8/1 he isn't leader at the GE instead?
If he says he is resigning the day after the indyref I am pretty sure you'd get paid out .. if you pick more than one to be next leader you are almost certainly taking under 16/1and could still be on a losing bet
If the wording is not PM in 2014, then the bookies wouldn't pay out until someone else lives in No 10, plus it could take a vote of no confidence from Tory MPs and Brady may need some convincing which adds time.
Its "leaves the post of PM in 2014"... so if he resigns the day after reckon that's a winner
Nope, he would still be PM, until the moment he resigned to the Queen, and she called for his successor, ie the day of the change of PM.
We had a similar situation when Blair announced in 2006, that he was quitting in 2007.
Bookies didn't pay out until the day he ceased being PM in 2007
If he announces he is resigning next week, what price he is still in No10 on Jan 1st?
Quite high, the Tory leadership election can take 3 months plus.
William Hague resigned as Tory leader on June 7th, and IDS was elected 3 months later.
So Dave quits September 19th, 3 months later it is just before Christmas
With it being a postal vote, and Christmas, the Tory party would probably extend the deadline for postal votes until after the new year.
Ill bet you that if he resigns within a week of a YES vote, he will no longer be PM by Jan1st
If Dave goes and the Tories want to show the country they aren't a bunch of posh Buller boys, what better than electing the Northern working class Muslim son of an immigrant
Hence why Sajid is a good bet
ort.
He would.
Remember our discussion on the booing of Moeen Ali?
'Munir Ali, Moeen’s father, told ESPNcricinfo. “We are very disappointed with what happened. It should have been a special day: Moeen was playing for his country in the city of his birth. It is the city I was born in and the city my mother was born in. The whole family was looking forward to it and we thought he would receive a warm welcome.
“Instead he was abused from the start. He was abused because he is a Muslim and because of his Pakistan heritage. That is disgraceful." '
They should stop focussing on the negatives, no England fan gives a rats arse that he is a Muslim or of Pakistani Heritage.
That should be a sign of great pride for him and the country.
England fans? Not UK fans?
I thought we were supposed to be "better together"?
And I read tonight it was an England team that beat Switzerland in Basel in the footy (huzzah, BTW!), not a UK team? Again, I thought were were supposed to be a "United" Kingdom?
Yeah England fans (and Wales fan too as it the England & Wales team)
Scottish cricket went independent a few years ago, and has it own team
I'm about to go to bed and would forget to do it tomorrow, so no time to look into the more detailed aspects of both, so have gone for the 'total guess' school of playing. I'm feeling confident.
Are people always as obtuse and reactionary on here as today?
The official PB Obtuseness Quotient and the Screaming Eagles number-of-total-tossers-tally certainly went up when you joined the site.
You are apparently as ignorant as you are offensive, and you bring neither insight nor wit, nor any betting intelligence. You are therefore useless and unwanted.
Consider your position then f*ck off back to Labourlist. Thanks.
I feel like the 33-1 on Hammond as next PM deserves a thread, he is surely the prime "under the bus" candidate should Cameron resign as a matter of principle. Osborne is voter poison, May has yet to live down her "nasty party" comments and none of the other Cabinet members are credible enough in terms of experience, though I would love for the lefty "coconut" jibes aimed at Javid were he to get in an unexpected twist of fate.
Fact is that only 10-15% of the ethnic minority vote is Conservative. I'm shocked it's that high to be honest.
Brady doesnt get to decide whether there is a no confidence vote - it is triggered automatically by the letters from MPs.
You seem to be taking an almost unhealthy interest in the innermost workings of the Conservative Party. Can I interest you in a subscription? It will go straight to the Hersham Branch.
Surely the money would be better spend as a donation towards removing some of the many roundabouts on the A24 around there!! (Horsham!). That is a pain of a road when driving up to Gatwick!
Horsham...ghastly and grubby Hersham...radiant and rustic
Shame on me for not having heard of Hersham before! And my brother lived in Feltham at one time so its not as though I don't know the area.
UKIP have selected Colin Mair as candidate in one of their most promising constituencies Louth & Horncastle where Father of the House Peter Tapsell is standing down:
Are people always as obtuse and reactionary on here as today?
The official PB Obtuseness Quotient and the Screaming Eagles number-of-total-tossers-tally certainly went up when you joined the site.
You are apparently as ignorant as you are offensive, and you bring neither insight nor wit, nor any betting intelligence. You are therefore useless and unwanted.
Consider your position then f*ck off back to Labourlist. Thanks.
A bizarre reaction.
Nope. Mainstream view of the silent majority, I suspect.
Are people always as obtuse and reactionary on here as today?
The official PB Obtuseness Quotient and the Screaming Eagles number-of-total-tossers-tally certainly went up when you joined the site.
You are apparently as ignorant as you are offensive, and you bring neither insight nor wit, nor any betting intelligence. You are therefore useless and unwanted.
Consider your position then f*ck off back to Labourlist. Thanks.
Are people always as obtuse and reactionary on here as today?
No, only a handful of posters like to obtusely call innocent old ladies bigots.
She isn't innocent - and was bigoted. She may have revised her views but at the time she was being bigoted.
No, she wasn't. She asked a rhetorical question expressing her surprise at the scale of immigration, and criticised the fact that you weren't allowed to question it. That doesn't make her a bigot.
I haven't got the staying power to prevent you having the last word. She was a bigot in my view - classic northern bigot rhetoric, like many of my clan. She may since have changed her views.
She didn't seem to know much about them other than they were foreigners. Not even their nationalities.
So you're now changing your argument from her bigotry being evidenced from being "scared" and "unwelcoming" to it being evidenced by the fact she didn't know their nationalities?
Even if she didn't know much about them, how does that make her a bigot? There's a bunch of Eastern Europeans that work in the barber shop I go to. I don't know all their nationalities. Does that make me a bigot?
And how do we know she didn't even know their nationalities? Maybe she did know they were mainly, say, Polish and Lithuanian in her area and she just grouped them together as "Eastern European"?
You're not the one complaining about them working in your hairdressers. "all these foreigners in the barbers shop where are they flocking in from?"
Why did she not ask them where they are from, rather than asking the PM? She might even have got to know them.
You clearly have never spoken to someone from the north of England. She wasn't literally asking which countries they were from. She was remarking about the scale. It's akin to saying to a child that ate a lot of food "Goodness gracious me. Where did you put all that food!?"
I'm from the North. She reminds me of many people in my own family.
You think many of your own family are bigots?
Well many of us have bigots in our families. Didn't a Labour MP get in trouble recently for relabelling Duffy a bigot though? It's not a fight worth making I think, not least because even if she is one, her comments on that day, concerned about the impact of large scale immigration are hardly uncommon and were not expressed in a bigoted fashion. Either she was and Brown was an exceptional judge of character and then became a cowardly liar for not sticking by that judgement, or her comments were to be taken as stated and Brown was right that he was mistaken.
HanDodges, tempers are unusually frayed this evening, worries from elsewhere bleeding through all around I think.
If Dave goes and the Tories want to show the country they aren't a bunch of posh Buller boys, what better than electing the Northern working class Muslim son of an immigrant
Hence why Sajid is a good bet
ort.
He would.
Remember our discussion on the booing of Moeen Ali?
'Munir Ali, Moeen’s father, told ESPNcricinfo. “We are very disappointed with what happened. It should have been a special day: Moeen was playing for his country in the city of his birth. It is the city I was born in and the city my mother was born in. The whole family was looking forward to it and we thought he would receive a warm welcome.
“Instead he was abused from the start. He was abused because he is a Muslim and because of his Pakistan heritage. That is disgraceful." '
They should stop focussing on the negatives, no England fan gives a rats arse that he is a Muslim or of Pakistani Heritage.
That should be a sign of great pride for him and the country.
England fans? Not UK fans?
I thought we were supposed to be "better together"?
And I read tonight it was an England team that beat Switzerland in Basel in the footy (huzzah, BTW!), not a UK team? Again, I thought were were supposed to be a "United" Kingdom?
Yeah England fans (and Wales fan too as it the England & Wales team)
Scottish cricket went independent a few years ago, and has it own team
Just backed Philip Hammond, Theresa May and George Osborne for next PM in case Cameron resigns. I see all three as decent "under the bus" candidates. Hammond could even assume the John Major role and win a majority against the odds in 2015. He may be a bit charisma free, but he is state educated, comes from a modest background, has had a significant career outside of politics and is absolutely not a toff. He is wealthy, but AIUI he is a self-made millionaire. Better yet he is not a wet liberal fool like Cameron so he may give the Tories some well needed backbone. Happily he also has the longest odds of the three names.
This is madness!! If you think he resigns after the indyref just back the 16/1 he stops being PM in 2014
Yes, unless preferring to back one outsider at huge odds, then Laddies 16/1 on Cameron "leaving the post of Prime Minister during 2014" is clearly the bet to go for. Even if he stayed on until his successor was selected, this shouldn't take more than 4/5 weeks, i.e. he'd be gone by end October or thereabouts.
Even if one takes the Ladbrokes' 16/1 shot on Dave leaving this year (or their watered-down version at half those odds of him being replaced as leader before the next GE, which looks lousy value by comparison), I still think Hague is worth a few quid as next PM at 50/1 or more, if only on the basis that he's a proven safe pair of hands and could deliver some northern seats at the GE. It will be interesting to see whether these prices shorten or even disappear over the coming days.
This is madness!! If you think he resigns after the indyref just back the 16/1 he stops being PM in 2014
Howard announced he was quitting in May but Cameron wasnt elected leader until December. Admittedly part of that was down to a deliberate decision to drag it out and the Tories will need a leader asap to face the GE but there has to be a little risk that given the nature of the ballot (postal vote of members after an indeterminate number of rounds of MPs voting) and proximity to Xmas that Cameron remains as PM until the New Year?
Hmm maybe but then you should back 8/1 he isn't leader at the GE instead?
If he says he is resigning the day after the indyref I am pretty sure you'd get paid out .. if you pick more than one to be next leader you are almost certainly taking under 16/1and could still be on a losing bet
If the wording is not PM in 2014, then the bookies wouldn't pay out until someone else lives in No 10, plus it could take a vote of no confidence from Tory MPs and Brady may need some convincing which adds time.
Its "leaves the post of PM in 2014"... so if he resigns the day after reckon that's a winner
Nope, he would still be PM, until the moment he resigned to the Queen, and she called for his successor, ie the day of the change of PM.
We had a similar situation when Blair announced in 2006, that he was quitting in 2007.
Bookies didn't pay out until the day he ceased being PM in 2007
If he announces he is resigning next week, what price he is still in No10 on Jan 1st?
Quite high, the Tory leadership election can take 3 months plus.
William Hague resigned as Tory leader on June 7th 2001, and IDS was elected 3 months later on September 11th 2001
So Dave quits September 19th, 3 months later it is just before Christmas
With it being a postal vote, and Christmas, the Tory party would probably extend the deadline for postal votes until after the new year.
Just backed Philip Hammond, Theresa May and George Osborne for next PM in case Cameron resigns. I see all three as decent "under the bus" candidates. Hammond could even assume the John Major role and win a majority against the odds in 2015. He may be a bit charisma free, but he is state educated, comes from a modest background, has had a significant career outside of politics and is absolutely not a toff. He is wealthy, but AIUI he is a self-made millionaire. Better yet he is not a wet liberal fool like Cameron so he may give the Tories some well needed backbone. Happily he also has the longest odds of the three names.
This is madness!! If you think he resigns after the indyref just back the 16/1 he stops being PM in 2014
Yes, unless preferring to back one outsider at huge odds, then Laddies 16/1 on Cameron "leaving the post of Prime Minister during 2014" is clearly the bet to go for. Even if he stayed on until his successor was selected, this shouldn't take more than 4/5 weeks, i.e. he'd be gone by end October or thereabouts.
Even if one takes the Ladbrokes' 16/1 shot on Dave leaving this year (or their watered-down version at half those odds of him being replaced as leader before the next GE, which looks lousy value by comparison), I still think Hague is worth a few quid as next PM at 50/1 or more, if only on the basis that he's a proven safe pair of hands and could deliver some northern seats at the GE. It will be interesting to see whether these prices shorten or even disappear over the coming days.
The Tory right despise Hague almost as much as they despise Cameron, they see him as someone who was on their side but went native once in power and in the FCO surrounded by pro-EU bureaucrats.
Just backed Philip Hammond, Theresa May and George Osborne for next PM in case Cameron resigns. I see all three as decent "under the bus" candidates. Hammond could even assume the John Major role and win a majority against the odds in 2015. He may be a bit charisma free, but he is state educated, comes from a modest background, has had a significant career outside of politics and is absolutely not a toff. He is wealthy, but AIUI he is a self-made millionaire. Better yet he is not a wet liberal fool like Cameron so he may give the Tories some well needed backbone. Happily he also has the longest odds of the three names.
This is madness!! If you think he resigns after the indyref just back the 16/1 he stops being PM in 2014
Hmm maybe but then you should back 8/1 he isn't leader at the GE instead?
If he says he is resigning the day after the indyref I am pretty sure you'd get paid out .. if you pick more than one to be next leader you are almost certainly taking under 16/1and could still be on a losing bet
If the wording is not PM in 2014, then the bookies wouldn't pay out until someone else lives in No 10, plus it could take a vote of no confidence from Tory MPs and Brady may need some convincing which adds time.
Its "leaves the post of PM in 2014"... so if he resigns the day after reckon that's a winner
Nope, he would still be PM, until the moment he resigned to the Queen, and she called for his successor, ie the day of the change of PM.
We had a similar situation when Blair announced in 2006, that he was quitting in 2007.
Bookies didn't pay out until the day he ceased being PM in 2007
If he announces he is resigning next week, what price he is still in No10 on Jan 1st?
Quite high, the Tory leadership election can take 3 months plus.
William Hague resigned as Tory leader on June 7th, and IDS was elected 3 months later.
So Dave quits September 19th, 3 months later it is just before Christmas
With it being a postal vote, and Christmas, the Tory party would probably extend the deadline for postal votes until after the new year.
Ill bet you that if he resigns within a week of a YES vote, he will no longer be PM by Jan1st
Obv bets void if he doesn't resign!
What price & how much?
Can I get back to you in the morning.
I need to get to bed and have just perfected my next PM/Tory leader portfolio.
Are people always as obtuse and reactionary on here as today?
No, only a handful of posters like to obtusely call innocent old ladies bigots.
She isn't innocent - and was bigoted. She may have revised her views but at the time she was being bigoted.
No, she wasn't. She asked a rhetorical question expressing her surprise at the scale of immigration, and criticised the fact that you weren't allowed to question it. That doesn't make her a bigot.
I haven't got the staying power to prevent you having the last word. She was a bigot in my view - classic northern bigot rhetoric, like many of my clan. She may since have changed her views.
Stop pretending you're being the grown up one here. You're just repeating the same slur again and again, while ignoring my questions. Well, in my view you're a bigot: judging this poor woman for saying a perfectly legitimate remark. And to make it worse, you seem to be partially basing it on her regional background too.
Brady doesnt get to decide whether there is a no confidence vote - it is triggered automatically by the letters from MPs.
You seem to be taking an almost unhealthy interest in the innermost workings of the Conservative Party. Can I interest you in a subscription? It will go straight to the Hersham Branch.
Surely the money would be better spend as a donation towards removing some of the many roundabouts on the A24 around there!! (Horsham!). That is a pain of a road when driving up to Gatwick!
Horsham...ghastly and grubby Hersham...radiant and rustic
Shame on me for not having heard of Hersham before! And my brother lived in Feltham at one time so its not as though I don't know the area.
Just backed Philip Hammond, Theresa May and George Osborne for next PM in case Cameron resigns. I see all three as decent "under the bus" candidates. Hammond could even assume the John Major role and win a majority against the odds in 2015. He may be a bit charisma free, but he is state educated, comes from a modest background, has had a significant career outside of politics and is absolutely not a toff. He is wealthy, but AIUI he is a self-made millionaire. Better yet he is not a wet liberal fool like Cameron so he may give the Tories some well needed backbone. Happily he also has the longest odds of the three names.
This is madness!! If you think he resigns after the indyref just back the 16/1 he stops being PM in 2014
If the wording is not PM in 2014, then the bookies wouldn't pay out until someone else lives in No 10, plus it could take a vote of no confidence from Tory MPs and Brady may need some convincing which adds time.
Its "leaves the post of PM in 2014"... so if he resigns the day after reckon that's a winner
Nope, he would still be PM, until the moment he resigned to the Queen, and she called for his successor, ie the day of the change of PM.
We had a similar situation when Blair announced in 2006, that he was quitting in 2007.
Bookies didn't pay out until the day he ceased being PM in 2007
If he announces he is resigning next week, what price he is still in No10 on Jan 1st?
Quite high, the Tory leadership election can take 3 months plus.
William Hague resigned as Tory leader on June 7th, and IDS was elected 3 months later.
So Dave quits September 19th, 3 months later it is just before Christmas
With it being a postal vote, and Christmas, the Tory party would probably extend the deadline for postal votes until after the new year.
Ill bet you that if he resigns within a week of a YES vote, he will no longer be PM by Jan1st
Obv bets void if he doesn't resign!
What price & how much?
Can I get back to you in the morning.
I need to get to bed and have just perfected my next PM/Tory leader portfolio.
Brady doesnt get to decide whether there is a no confidence vote - it is triggered automatically by the letters from MPs.
You seem to be taking an almost unhealthy interest in the innermost workings of the Conservative Party. Can I interest you in a subscription? It will go straight to the Hersham Branch.
Surely the money would be better spend as a donation towards removing some of the many roundabouts on the A24 around there!! (Horsham!). That is a pain of a road when driving up to Gatwick!
Horsham...ghastly and grubby Hersham...radiant and rustic
Shame on me for not having heard of Hersham before! And my brother lived in Feltham at one time so its not as though I don't know the area.
Feltham?!! Pass the smelling salts, Mabel.
Wrong side of t'River!
More like the wrong side of SW Trains. (By the way, I saw one of their new 5 car 458/5 trains leaving Waterloo on Friday)
If Dave goes and the Tories want to show the country they aren't a bunch of posh Buller boys, what better than electing the Northern working class Muslim son of an immigrant
Hence why Sajid is a good bet
Hmm. I'd like to think you were right, but I very much doubt he'd get the grass roots support.
He would.
Remember our discussion on the booing of Moeen Ali?
'Munir Ali, Moeen’s father, told ESPNcricinfo. “We are very disappointed with what happened. It should have been a special day: Moeen was playing for his country in the city of his birth. It is the city I was born in and the city my mother was born in. The whole family was looking forward to it and we thought he would receive a warm welcome.
“Instead he was abused from the start. He was abused because he is a Muslim and because of his Pakistan heritage. That is disgraceful." '
The Guardian seems a bit coy about saying that it was the Indian fans booing Moeen, which seems to be the case from the CricInfo report I read. But then in leftyliberal land, only white people can be racist.
Interested in this quote from a copper:
“If further action was to be taken, the victim would need to make a complaint,” a spokesman for West Midlands police told ESPNcricinfo.
Why does the victim need to make a complaint? He is only a witness to the crime, criminal offences are committed against the state (or the Queen), not the individual. So if the are x thousand witnesses to a crime, I don't see why you can't prosecute anyway (not that I necessarily think that should have happened in this case, I just thought it's an interesting legal point).
Just backed Philip Hammond, Theresa May and George Osborne for next PM in case Cameron resigns. I see all three as decent "under the bus" candidates. Hammond could even assume the John Major role and win a majority against the odds in 2015. He may be a bit charisma free, but he is state educated, comes from a modest background, has had a significant career outside of politics and is absolutely not a toff. He is wealthy, but AIUI he is a self-made millionaire. Better yet he is not a wet liberal fool like Cameron so he may give the Tories some well needed backbone. Happily he also has the longest odds of the three names.
This is madness!! If you think he resigns after the indyref just back the 16/1 he stops being PM in 2014
Yes, unless preferring to back one outsider at huge odds, then Laddies 16/1 on Cameron "leaving the post of Prime Minister during 2014" is clearly the bet to go for. Even if he stayed on until his successor was selected, this shouldn't take more than 4/5 weeks, i.e. he'd be gone by end October or thereabouts.
Even if one takes the Ladbrokes' 16/1 shot on Dave leaving this year (or their watered-down version at half those odds of him being replaced as leader before the next GE, which looks lousy value by comparison), I still think Hague is worth a few quid as next PM at 50/1 or more, if only on the basis that he's a proven safe pair of hands and could deliver some northern seats at the GE. It will be interesting to see whether these prices shorten or even disappear over the coming days.
The Tory right despise Hague almost as much as they despise Cameron, they see him as someone who was on their side but went native once in power and in the FCO surrounded by pro-EU bureaucrats.
Max - I take your point as regards Hague BUT (i) it would only be a short term appointment and (ii) as much as anything else it would be a damage limitation exercise to save as many seats as possible and (iii) there aren't many, i.e. one or two, credible alternatives!
Brady doesnt get to decide whether there is a no confidence vote - it is triggered automatically by the letters from MPs.
You seem to be taking an almost unhealthy interest in the innermost workings of the Conservative Party. Can I interest you in a subscription? It will go straight to the Hersham Branch.
Surely the money would be better spend as a donation towards removing some of the many roundabouts on the A24 around there!! (Horsham!). That is a pain of a road when driving up to Gatwick!
Horsham...ghastly and grubby Hersham...radiant and rustic
Shame on me for not having heard of Hersham before! And my brother lived in Feltham at one time so its not as though I don't know the area.
Feltham?!! Pass the smelling salts, Mabel.
Wrong side of t'River!
More like the wrong side of SW Trains. (By the way, I saw one of their new 5 car 458/5 trains leaving Waterloo on Friday)
I've yet to see one in person (jealous!), but while they do look nicer from the front than the original 458 units they are in fact refurbished from both that class and the former Gatwick Class 460 units.
If Dave goes and the Tories want to show the country they aren't a bunch of posh Buller boys, what better than electing the Northern working class Muslim son of an immigrant
Hence why Sajid is a good bet
Hmm. I'd like to think you were right, but I very much doubt he'd get the grass roots support.
He would.
Remember our discussion on the booing of Moeen Ali?
'Munir Ali, Moeen’s father, told ESPNcricinfo. “We are very disappointed with what happened. It should have been a special day: Moeen was playing for his country in the city of his birth. It is the city I was born in and the city my mother was born in. The whole family was looking forward to it and we thought he would receive a warm welcome.
“Instead he was abused from the start. He was abused because he is a Muslim and because of his Pakistan heritage. That is disgraceful." '
The Guardian seems a bit coy about saying that it was the Indian fans booing Moeen, which seems to be the case from the CricInfo report I read. But then in leftyliberal land, only white people can be racist.
Interested in this quote from a copper:
“If further action was to be taken, the victim would need to make a complaint,” a spokesman for West Midlands police told ESPNcricinfo.
Why does the victim need to make a complaint? He is only a witness to the crime, criminal offences are committed against the state (or the Queen), not the individual. So if the are x thousand witnesses to a crime, I don't see why you can't prosecute anyway (not that I necessarily think that should have happened in this case, I just thought it's an interesting legal point).
That aspect (it was Indian fans) is properly being brushed under the carpet
You can see that multi culti people haven't learned from the Child abuse cover ups, their dogma is all conquering.. only white people are bad
You only have to imagine how it would be if white fans were booing a non white*** player who had done nothing wrong other than being born the way he was (in their eyes)
Sunil We now have A UK soccer team which we played at the 2012 Olympics for instance
It was a GB team at the Olympics .. not a UK one.
It's a UK team, but called GB by the Olympics for some reason. (No Northern Irish players were selected, or Scottish, but it still represented the whole UK).
If the referendum goes YES Cameron would immediately submit himself to a vote of confidence. He would have to avoid the indignity of being dragged out. Personally I think he would survive that vote.
But if he didn't then there would be no election because there would be only one candidate, Philip Hammond in my opinion. It would be necessary to square Hague and May on this (Osborne is far too toxic to be leader even if he has been a good CofE), but they would surely fall into line. This happened when IDS was ousted and Michael Howard took over. A long-winded contested leadership election, in the midst of a constitutional crisis, just weeks before the GE, is just too absurd for words.
Sunil We now have A UK soccer team which we played at the 2012 Olympics for instance
It was a GB team at the Olympics .. not a UK one.
It's a UK team, but called GB by the Olympics for some reason. (No Northern Irish players were selected, or Scottish, but it still represented the whole UK).
It didnt represent the UK. It was called GB by the Olympics because it was a GB team. There is no UK and RoI at the Olympics. There is GB and there is Ireland.
If Dave goes and the Tories want to show the country they aren't a bunch of posh Buller boys, what better than electing the Northern working class Muslim son of an immigrant
Hence why Sajid is a good bet
Hmm. I'd like to think you were right, but I very much doubt he'd get the grass roots support.
He would.
Remember our discussion on the booing of Moeen Ali?
'Munir Ali, Moeen’s father, told ESPNcricinfo. “We are very disappointed with what happened. It should have been a special day: Moeen was playing for his country in the city of his birth. It is the city I was born in and the city my mother was born in. The whole family was looking forward to it and we thought he would receive a warm welcome.
“Instead he was abused from the start. He was abused because he is a Muslim and because of his Pakistan heritage. That is disgraceful." '
The Guardian seems a bit coy about saying that it was the Indian fans booing Moeen, which seems to be the case from the CricInfo report I read. But then in leftyliberal land, only white people can be racist.
Interested in this quote from a copper:
“If further action was to be taken, the victim would need to make a complaint,” a spokesman for West Midlands police told ESPNcricinfo.
Why does the victim need to make a complaint? He is only a witness to the crime, criminal offences are committed against the state (or the Queen), not the individual. So if the are x thousand witnesses to a crime, I don't see why you can't prosecute anyway (not that I necessarily think that should have happened in this case, I just thought it's an interesting legal point).
That aspect (it was Indian fans) is properly being brushed under the carpet
You can see that multi culti people haven't learned from the Child abuse cover ups, their dogma is all conquering.. only white people are bad
You only have to imagine how it would be if white fans were booing a non white*** player who had done nothing wrong other than being born the way he was (in their eyes)
***or Eastern European white guy
You are aware of the intense rivalry between India and Pakistan?
If Dave goes and the Tories want to show the country they aren't a bunch of posh Buller boys, what better than electing the Northern working class Muslim son of an immigrant
Hence why Sajid is a good bet
Hmm. I'd like to think you were right, but I very much doubt he'd get the grass roots support.
He would.
Remember our discussion on the booing of Moeen Ali?
'Munir Ali, Moeen’s father, told ESPNcricinfo. “We are very disappointed with what happened. It should have been a special day: Moeen was playing for his country in the city of his birth. It is the city I was born in and the city my mother was born in. The whole family was looking forward to it and we thought he would receive a warm welcome.
“Instead he was abused from the start. He was abused because he is a Muslim and because of his Pakistan heritage. That is disgraceful." '
The Guardian seems a bit coy about saying that it was the Indian fans booing Moeen, which seems to be the case from the CricInfo report I read. But then in leftyliberal land, only white people can be racist.
Interested in this quote from a copper:
“If further action was to be taken, the victim would need to make a complaint,” a spokesman for West Midlands police told ESPNcricinfo.
Why does the victim need to make a complaint? He is only a witness to the crime, criminal offences are committed against the state (or the Queen), not the individual. So if the are x thousand witnesses to a crime, I don't see why you can't prosecute anyway (not that I necessarily think that should have happened in this case, I just thought it's an interesting legal point).
That aspect (it was Indian fans) is properly being brushed under the carpet
You can see that multi culti people haven't learned from the Child abuse cover ups, their dogma is all conquering.. only white people are bad
You only have to imagine how it would be if white fans were booing a non white*** player who had done nothing wrong other than being born the way he was (in their eyes)
***or Eastern European white guy
If you want to see sectarian booing of sportspeople wait to see if Scotland selects a Rangers player for the qualifier in Dublin. (Or maybe things have improved.)
@PeterC Could be that he will announce his intention to stand down at the election, and allow the leadership contest to go on without him, Gives him the get out of saying it is necessary for the stability of the country as a whole.
Sunil We now have A UK soccer team which we played at the 2012 Olympics for instance
It was a GB team at the Olympics .. not a UK one.
It's a UK team, but called GB by the Olympics for some reason. (No Northern Irish players were selected, or Scottish, but it still represented the whole UK).
It didnt represent the UK. It was called GB by the Olympics because it was a GB team. There is no UK and RoI at the Olympics. There is GB and there is Ireland.
Not so. The Olympics goes with real countries. Some NI athletes of course compete under Irish colours. They just get the name wrong, certainly in the case of the UK which they call GB for some reason.
If Dave goes and the Tories want to show the country they aren't a bunch of posh Buller boys, what better than electing the Northern working class Muslim son of an immigrant
Hence why Sajid is a good bet
Hmm. I'd like to think you were right, but I very much doubt he'd get the grass roots support.
He would.
Remember our discussion on the booing of Moeen Ali?
'Munir Ali, Moeen’s father, told ESPNcricinfo. “We are very disappointed with what happened. It should have been a special day: Moeen was playing for his country in the city of his birth. It is the city I was born in and the city my mother was born in. The whole family was looking forward to it and we thought he would receive a warm welcome.
“Instead he was abused from the start. He was abused because he is a Muslim and because of his Pakistan heritage. That is disgraceful." '
The Guardian seems a bit coy about saying that it was the Indian fans booing Moeen, which seems to be the case from the CricInfo report I read. But then in leftyliberal land, only white people can be racist.
Interested in this quote from a copper:
“If further action was to be taken, the victim would need to make a complaint,” a spokesman for West Midlands police told ESPNcricinfo.
Why does the victim need to make a complaint? He is only a witness to the crime, criminal offences are committed against the state (or the Queen), not the individual. So if the are x thousand witnesses to a crime, I don't see why you can't prosecute anyway (not that I necessarily think that should have happened in this case, I just thought it's an interesting legal point).
That aspect (it was Indian fans) is properly being brushed under the carpet
You can see that multi culti people haven't learned from the Child abuse cover ups, their dogma is all conquering.. only white people are bad
You only have to imagine how it would be if white fans were booing a non white*** player who had done nothing wrong other than being born the way he was (in their eyes)
***or Eastern European white guy
It's more to do with the India-Pakistan cricketing history than anything else. Still lamentable, but not something that is going to turn the world upside down.
If Dave goes and the Tories want to show the country they aren't a bunch of posh Buller boys, what better than electing the Northern working class Muslim son of an immigrant
Hence why Sajid is a good bet
Hmm. I'd like to think you were right, but I very much doubt he'd get the grass roots support.
He would.
Remember our discussion on the booing of Moeen Ali?
'Munir Ali, Moeen’s father, told ESPNcricinfo. “We are very disappointed with what happened. It should have been a special day: Moeen was playing for his country in the city of his birth. It is the city I was born in and the city my mother was born in. The whole family was looking forward to it and we thought he would receive a warm welcome.
“Instead he was abused from the start. He was abused because he is a Muslim and because of his Pakistan heritage. That is disgraceful." '
The Guardian seems a bit coy about saying that it was the Indian fans booing Moeen, which seems to be the case from the CricInfo report I read. But then in leftyliberal land, only white people can be racist.
Interested in this quote from a copper:
“If further action was to be taken, the victim would need to make a complaint,” a spokesman for West Midlands police told ESPNcricinfo.
Why does the victim need to make a complaint? He is only a witness to the crime, criminal offences are committed against the state (or the Queen), not the individual. So if the are x thousand witnesses to a crime, I don't see why you can't prosecute anyway (not that I necessarily think that should have happened in this case, I just thought it's an interesting legal point).
That aspect (it was Indian fans) is properly being brushed under the carpet
You can see that multi culti people haven't learned from the Child abuse cover ups, their dogma is all conquering.. only white people are bad
You only have to imagine how it would be if white fans were booing a non white*** player who had done nothing wrong other than being born the way he was (in their eyes)
***or Eastern European white guy
You are aware of the intense rivalry between India and Pakistan?
Sunil We now have A UK soccer team which we played at the 2012 Olympics for instance
It was a GB team at the Olympics .. not a UK one.
It's a UK team, but called GB by the Olympics for some reason. (No Northern Irish players were selected, or Scottish, but it still represented the whole UK).
It didnt represent the UK. It was called GB by the Olympics because it was a GB team. There is no UK and RoI at the Olympics. There is GB and there is Ireland.
Not so. The Olympics goes with real countries. Some NI athletes of course compete under Irish colours. They just get the name wrong, certainly in the case of the UK which they call GB for some reason.
Ha. Yes, of course, the IOC just doesnt know what it's doing when it keeps on getting the name of the team wrong!
Sunil We now have A UK soccer team which we played at the 2012 Olympics for instance
It was a GB team at the Olympics .. not a UK one.
It's a UK team, but called GB by the Olympics for some reason. (No Northern Irish players were selected, or Scottish, but it still represented the whole UK).
It didnt represent the UK. It was called GB by the Olympics because it was a GB team. There is no UK and RoI at the Olympics. There is GB and there is Ireland.
Not so. The Olympics goes with real countries. Some NI athletes of course compete under Irish colours. They just get the name wrong, certainly in the case of the UK which they call GB for some reason.
see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_GB. British athletes used to be known as "Great Britain and Northern Ireland" which of course is the name of the country when you take the constitutional descriptor off.
@PeterC Could be that he will announce his intention to stand down at the election, and allow the leadership contest to go on without him, Gives him the get out of saying it is necessary for the stability of the country as a whole.
I agree, that is quite plausible. It would also help keep the coalition staggering on - on a barebones legislative programme.
It's a UK team, but called GB by the Olympics for some reason. (No Northern Irish players were selected, or Scottish, but it still represented the whole UK).
It seems to be my day for Obscure British Stuff, but..no, the British Olympic Committee does not select a UK team per se, but can include competitors from the Isle of Man and Channel Islands. TeamGB is drawn from the UK and the Crown Dependencies: the British Realm, in other words.
@PeterC Could be that he will announce his intention to stand down at the election, and allow the leadership contest to go on without him, Gives him the get out of saying it is necessary for the stability of the country as a whole.
Really can't see how that would fit in with the need to run a General Election campaign in less than eight months' time. If Cameron did step down you would need a new leader in place and quickly. No lame ducks, and no-one contentious.
It's a UK team, but called GB by the Olympics for some reason. (No Northern Irish players were selected, or Scottish, but it still represented the whole UK).
It seems to be my day for Obscure British Stuff, but..no, the British Olympic Committee does not select a UK team per se, but can include competitors from the Isle of Man and Channel Islands. TeamGB is drawn from the UK and the Crown Dependencies: the British Realm, in other words.
Sunil We now have A UK soccer team which we played at the 2012 Olympics for instance
It was a GB team at the Olympics .. not a UK one.
It's a UK team, but called GB by the Olympics for some reason. (No Northern Irish players were selected, or Scottish, but it still represented the whole UK).
It didnt represent the UK. It was called GB by the Olympics because it was a GB team. There is no UK and RoI at the Olympics. There is GB and there is Ireland.
Not so. The Olympics goes with real countries. Some NI athletes of course compete under Irish colours. They just get the name wrong, certainly in the case of the UK which they call GB for some reason.
Ha. Yes, of course, the IOC just doesnt know what it's doing when it keeps on getting the name of the team wrong!
Team GB is the brand name used since 1999 by the British Olympic Association (BOA) for their Great Britain and Northern Ireland Olympic team.
@JohnLilburne The "new leader", after the party vote, would front the election campaign, Dave would soldier on till the end of his term, avoiding outright resignation. Most Tories would be as happy with that, as handing it on to a "caretaker" in what would be a national crisis?
If Dave goes and the Tories want to show the country they aren't a bunch of posh Buller boys, what better than electing the Northern working class Muslim son of an immigrant
Hence why Sajid is a good bet
Hmm. I'd like to think you were right, but I very much doubt he'd get the grass roots support.
The Guardian seems a bit coy about saying that it was the Indian fans booing Moeen, which seems to be the case from the CricInfo report I read. But then in leftyliberal land, only white people can be racist.
Interested in this quote from a copper:
“If further action was to be taken, the victim would need to make a complaint,” a spokesman for West Midlands police told ESPNcricinfo.
Why does the victim need to make a complaint? He is only a witness to the crime, criminal offences are committed against the state (or the Queen), not the individual. So if the are x thousand witnesses to a crime, I don't see why you can't prosecute anyway (not that I necessarily think that should have happened in this case, I just thought it's an interesting legal point).
That aspect (it was Indian fans) is properly being brushed under the carpet
You can see that multi culti people haven't learned from the Child abuse cover ups, their dogma is all conquering.. only white people are bad
You only have to imagine how it would be if white fans were booing a non white*** player who had done nothing wrong other than being born the way he was (in their eyes)
***or Eastern European white guy
You are aware of the intense rivalry between India and Pakistan?
Yes but the people booing are English and so is Moeen Ali!
Not necessarily. I was staying in Birmingham last week and saw a ton of India fans at New Street station - many of them had Indian accents (maybe students or temporary workers). They aren't all British Asians.
I'm going to Boston, MA for two weeks starting on the 17th and was about to buy dollars for the trip. Maybe that isn't such a good idea now, (unless I've got things back to front). Use a credit card instead.
If Dave goes and the Tories want to show the country they aren't a bunch of posh Buller boys, what better than electing the Northern working class Muslim son of an immigrant
Hence why Sajid is a good bet
Hmm. I'd like to think you were right, but I very much doubt he'd get the grass roots support.
The Guardian seems a bit coy about saying that it was the Indian fans booing Moeen, which seems to be the case from the CricInfo report I read. But then in leftyliberal land, only white people can be racist.
Interested in this quote from a copper:
“If further action was to be taken, the victim would need to make a complaint,” a spokesman for West Midlands police told ESPNcricinfo.
Why does the victim need to make a complaint? He is only a witness to the crime, criminal offences are committed against the state (or the Queen), not the individual. So if the are x thousand witnesses to a crime, I don't see why you can't prosecute anyway (not that I necessarily think that should have happened in this case, I just thought it's an interesting legal point).
That aspect (it was Indian fans) is properly being brushed under the carpet
You can see that multi culti people haven't learned from the Child abuse cover ups, their dogma is all conquering.. only white people are bad
You only have to imagine how it would be if white fans were booing a non white*** player who had done nothing wrong other than being born the way he was (in their eyes)
***or Eastern European white guy
You are aware of the intense rivalry between India and Pakistan?
Yes but the people booing are English and so is Moeen Ali!
Not necessarily. I was staying in Birmingham last week and saw a ton of India fans at New Street station - many of them had Indian accents (maybe students or temporary workers). They aren't all British Asians.
Ah well that makes it marginally better then... or should I say less worse?!
To be fair I don't have a massive opinion on this, Essex Girl jokes or anything like that, but just riles me when some things are allowed or not mentioned because they fit a different sort of prejudice... its either all wrong or all ok in my book
It's a UK team, but called GB by the Olympics for some reason. (No Northern Irish players were selected, or Scottish, but it still represented the whole UK).
It seems to be my day for Obscure British Stuff, but..no, the British Olympic Committee does not select a UK team per se, but can include competitors from the Isle of Man and Channel Islands. TeamGB is drawn from the UK and the Crown Dependencies: the British Realm, in other words.
I'm going to Boston, MA for two weeks starting on the 17th and was about to buy dollars for the trip. Maybe that isn't such a good idea now, (unless I've got things back to front). Use a credit card instead.
Unless the exchange rate collapses, you will probably lose out on the fees charged by the card. It's all swings and roundabouts, especially if you have leftover dollars.
If Dave goes and the Tories want to show the country they aren't a bunch of posh Buller boys, what better than electing the Northern working class Muslim son of an immigrant
Hence why Sajid is a good bet
Hmm. I'd like to think you were right, but I very much doubt he'd get the grass roots support.
The Guardian seems a bit coy about saying that it was the Indian fans booing Moeen, which seems to be the case from the CricInfo report I read. But then in leftyliberal land, only white people can be racist.
Interested in this quote from a copper:
“If further action was to be taken, the victim would need to make a complaint,” a spokesman for West Midlands police told ESPNcricinfo.
Why does the victim need to make a complaint? He is only a witness to the crime, criminal offences are committed against the state (or the Queen), not the individual. So if the are x thousand witnesses to a crime, I don't see why you can't prosecute anyway (not that I necessarily think that should have happened in this case, I just thought it's an interesting legal point).
That aspect (it was Indian fans) is properly being brushed under the carpet
You can see that multi culti people haven't learned from the Child abuse cover ups, their dogma is all conquering.. only white people are bad
You only have to imagine how it would be if white fans were booing a non white*** player who had done nothing wrong other than being born the way he was (in their eyes)
***or Eastern European white guy
You are aware of the intense rivalry between India and Pakistan?
Yes but the people booing are English and so is Moeen Ali!
Not necessarily. I was staying in Birmingham last week and saw a ton of India fans at New Street station - many of them had Indian accents (maybe students or temporary workers). They aren't all British Asians.
Ah well that makes it marginally better then... or should I say less worse?!
I still prefer football! Can't see why cricket is so popular in the Subcontinent!
Sunil We now have A UK soccer team which we played at the 2012 Olympics for instance
It was a GB team at the Olympics .. not a UK one.
It's a UK team, but called GB by the Olympics for some reason. (No Northern Irish players were selected, or Scottish, but it still represented the whole UK).
It didnt represent the UK. It was called GB by the Olympics because it was a GB team. There is no UK and RoI at the Olympics. There is GB and there is Ireland.
Not so. The Olympics goes with real countries. Some NI athletes of course compete under Irish colours. They just get the name wrong, certainly in the case of the UK which they call GB for some reason.
If Dave goes and the Tories want to show the country they aren't a bunch of posh Buller boys, what better than electing the Northern working class Muslim son of an immigrant
Hence why Sajid is a good bet
Hmm. I'd like to think you were right, but I very much doubt he'd get the grass roots support.
The Guardian seems a bit coy about saying that it was the Indian fans booing Moeen, which seems to be the case from the CricInfo report I read. But then in leftyliberal land, only white people can be racist.
Interested in this quote from a copper:
“If further action was to be taken, the victim would need to make a complaint,” a spokesman for West Midlands police told ESPNcricinfo.
Why does the victim need to make a complaint? He is only a witness to the crime, criminal offences are committed against the state (or the Queen), not the individual. So if the are x thousand witnesses to a crime, I don't see why you can't prosecute anyway (not that I necessarily think that should have happened in this case, I just thought it's an interesting legal point).
That aspect (it was Indian fans) is properly being brushed under the carpet
You can see that multi culti people haven't learned from the Child abuse cover ups, their dogma is all conquering.. only white people are bad
You only have to imagine how it would be if white fans were booing a non white*** player who had done nothing wrong other than being born the way he was (in their eyes)
***or Eastern European white guy
You are aware of the intense rivalry between India and Pakistan?
Yes but the people booing are English and so is Moeen Ali!
Not necessarily. I was staying in Birmingham last week and saw a ton of India fans at New Street station - many of them had Indian accents (maybe students or temporary workers). They aren't all British Asians.
Ah well that makes it marginally better then... or should I say less worse?!
I still prefer football! Can't see why cricket is so popular in the Subcontinent!
I guess its because the teams are better/more successful?
It's a UK team, but called GB by the Olympics for some reason. (No Northern Irish players were selected, or Scottish, but it still represented the whole UK).
It seems to be my day for Obscure British Stuff, but..no, the British Olympic Committee does not select a UK team per se, but can include competitors from the Isle of Man and Channel Islands. TeamGB is drawn from the UK and the Crown Dependencies: the British Realm, in other words.
You could argue that the Channel Islanders should compete under the French flag, as the Queen, as Duke of Normandy, arguably holds them as fiefs of the French crown ;-)
Paddy Power have "Next to leave the Coalition Cabinet"
Cameron 16/1
Is that better than "to leave post as PM"? Same I guess?
Not the same - Lib Dem reshuffle expected in Autumn and Carmichael almost certain to go - 16/1 to leave in 2014 gives you a few more months so better value.
If Dave goes and the Tories want to show the country they aren't a bunch of posh Buller boys, what better than electing the Northern working class Muslim son of an immigrant
Hence why Sajid is a good bet
Hmm. I'd like to think you were right, but I very much doubt he'd get the grass roots support.
The Guardian seems a bit coy about saying that it was the Indian fans booing Moeen, which seems to be the case from the CricInfo report I read. But then in leftyliberal land, only white people can be racist.
Interested in this quote from a copper:
“If further action was to be taken, the victim would need to make a complaint,” a spokesman for West Midlands police told ESPNcricinfo.
That aspect (it was Indian fans) is properly being brushed under the carpet
You can see that multi culti people haven't learned from the Child abuse cover ups, their dogma is all conquering.. only white people are bad
You only have to imagine how it would be if white fans were booing a non white*** player who had done nothing wrong other than being born the way he was (in their eyes)
***or Eastern European white guy
You are aware of the intense rivalry between India and Pakistan?
Yes but the people booing are English and so is Moeen Ali!
Not necessarily. I was staying in Birmingham last week and saw a ton of India fans at New Street station - many of them had Indian accents (maybe students or temporary workers). They aren't all British Asians.
Ah well that makes it marginally better then... or should I say less worse?!
I still prefer football! Can't see why cricket is so popular in the Subcontinent!
I guess its because the teams are better/more successful?
It's not as if you can't play footy in hot climates - try Brazil!
I still prefer football! Can't see why cricket is so popular in the Subcontinent!
Football was always a working class sport, and cricket a gentleman's one. Seeing that the British in the Raj were mainly aristocrats, I guess that cricket was the main sport they were introduced to. Also, the Indians were very hierarchical historically, so I imagine they would aspire to copy the British elite who were at the top of their social structure.
It's a UK team, but called GB by the Olympics for some reason. (No Northern Irish players were selected, or Scottish, but it still represented the whole UK).
It seems to be my day for Obscure British Stuff, but..no, the British Olympic Committee does not select a UK team per se, but can include competitors from the Isle of Man and Channel Islands. TeamGB is drawn from the UK and the Crown Dependencies: the British Realm, in other words.
You could argue that the Channel Islanders should compete under the French flag, as the Queen, as Duke of Normandy, arguably holds them as fiefs of the French crown ;-)
"I still prefer football! Can't see why cricket is so popular in the Subcontinent!
I've always assumed one of the main reasons is because it's too hot to play football a lot of the time. You can't run around for 90 minutes in 40 degree heat. Cricket, on the other hand, involves standing around most of the time, wearing clothes that cover you up and reflect the light.
Sunil We now have A UK soccer team which we played at the 2012 Olympics for instance
It was a GB team at the Olympics .. not a UK one.
It's a UK team, but called GB by the Olympics for some reason. (No Northern Irish players were selected, or Scottish, but it still represented the whole UK).
It didnt represent the UK. It was called GB by the Olympics because it was a GB team. There is no UK and RoI at the Olympics. There is GB and there is Ireland.
Not so. The Olympics goes with real countries. Some NI athletes of course compete under Irish colours. They just get the name wrong, certainly in the case of the UK which they call GB for some reason.
Wikipedia seems to disagree https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_Council_of_Ireland as it states that Olympic Committees should coincide with national boundaries, so in theory the OCI is just the Olympic Committee for the Republic. But in practice it does seem there is overlapping jurisdiction.
Some figures for the electorates of the 32 Scottish council areas. These aren't official figures; I calculated them from the 2011 census population data.
City of Aberdeen 178,234 Aberdeenshire 202,378 Angus 92,782 Argyll and Bute 70,533 Clackmannanshire 41,154 Dumfries and Galloway 121,059 City of Dundee 117,814 East Ayrshire 98,214 East Dunbartonshire 84,021 East Lothian 79,774 East Renfrewshire 72,459 City of Edinburgh 381,301 Falkirk 124,792 Fife 292,158 City of Glasgow 474,596 Highland 185,706 Inverclyde 65,188 Midlothian 66,550 Moray 74,636 Na h-Eileanan Siar (Western Isles) 22,147 North Ayrshire 110,517 North Lanarkshire 270,182 Orkney Islands 17,079 Perth and Kinross 117,322 Renfrewshire 139,926 Scottish Borders 91,096 Shetland Islands 18,534 South Ayrshire 90,239 South Lanarkshire 251,064 Stirling 72,198 West Dunbartonshire 72,576 West Lothian 93,694
"I still prefer football! Can't see why cricket is so popular in the Subcontinent!
I've always assumed one of the main reasons is because it's too hot to play football a lot of the time. You can't run around for 90 minutes in 40 degree heat. Cricket, on the other hand, involves standing around most of the time, wearing clothes that cover you up and reflect the light.
In which case, why do they play the soccer World Cup in hot countries and in summer? Football is a winter sport, every other time the World Cup should be played in Northern Europe in November.
It's a UK team, but called GB by the Olympics for some reason. (No Northern Irish players were selected, or Scottish, but it still represented the whole UK).
It seems to be my day for Obscure British Stuff, but..no, the British Olympic Committee does not select a UK team per se, but can include competitors from the Isle of Man and Channel Islands. TeamGB is drawn from the UK and the Crown Dependencies: the British Realm, in other words.
You could argue that the Channel Islanders should compete under the French flag, as the Queen, as Duke of Normandy, arguably holds them as fiefs of the French crown ;-)
Sunil We now have A UK soccer team which we played at the 2012 Olympics for instance
It was a GB team at the Olympics .. not a UK one.
It's a UK team, but called GB by the Olympics for some reason. (No Northern Irish players were selected, or Scottish, but it still represented the whole UK).
It didnt represent the UK. It was called GB by the Olympics because it was a GB team. There is no UK and RoI at the Olympics. There is GB and there is Ireland.
Not so. The Olympics goes with real countries. Some NI athletes of course compete under Irish colours. They just get the name wrong, certainly in the case of the UK which they call GB for some reason.
Wikipedia seems to disagree https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_Council_of_Ireland as it states that Olympic Committees should coincide with national boundaries, so in theory the OCI is just the Olympic Committee for the Republic. But in practice it does seem there is overlapping jurisdiction.
I've had cause to research this in detail (including a chat with dear old Paddy Hickey) and on this I am confident that the BBC is right and wiki is wrong. It is trivial stuff (because, rightly, Northern Irish people can choose which team they want to participate in and have done so with distinction for both) but where would pbc be without pedantry about obscure topics?
"I still prefer football! Can't see why cricket is so popular in the Subcontinent!
I've always assumed one of the main reasons is because it's too hot to play football a lot of the time. You can't run around for 90 minutes in 40 degree heat. Cricket, on the other hand, involves standing around most of the time, wearing clothes that cover you up and reflect the light.
They seem to like playing football in Brazil and many African countries.
If the "Brits" had taught the Indians to play football, they could now be the Brazil of Asia.
It's a UK team, but called GB by the Olympics for some reason. (No Northern Irish players were selected, or Scottish, but it still represented the whole UK).
It seems to be my day for Obscure British Stuff, but..no, the British Olympic Committee does not select a UK team per se, but can include competitors from the Isle of Man and Channel Islands. TeamGB is drawn from the UK and the Crown Dependencies: the British Realm, in other words.
You could argue that the Channel Islanders should compete under the French flag, as the Queen, as Duke of Normandy, arguably holds them as fiefs of the French crown ;-)
"I still prefer football! Can't see why cricket is so popular in the Subcontinent!
I've always assumed one of the main reasons is because it's too hot to play football a lot of the time. You can't run around for 90 minutes in 40 degree heat. Cricket, on the other hand, involves standing around most of the time, wearing clothes that cover you up and reflect the light.
They seem to like playing football in Brazil and many African countries.
If the "Brits" had taught the Indians to play football, they could now be the Brazil of Asia.
Pakistan could be Argentina
It's not as hot as India along the coast of Brazil, but you have a point with Africa. Maybe the French influence.
I still prefer football! Can't see why cricket is so popular in the Subcontinent!
Football was always a working class sport, and cricket a gentleman's one. Seeing that the British in the Raj were mainly aristocrats, I guess that cricket was the main sport they were introduced to. Also, the Indians were very hierarchical historically, so I imagine they would aspire to copy the British elite who were at the top of their social structure.
that does seem a sweeping generalisation. What about the Yorkshire captains who "whistled down the mine" for a new fast bowler? And I am not sure the Raj were aristocrats, a lot of people who went out to India were the impoverished middle classes who went out to make their fortunes. or soldiers who transferred to the Indian army.
However you could argue that the length of time a cricket match takes was easily found by the relatively leisured colonisers. And it is mostly too hot to play football.
"I still prefer football! Can't see why cricket is so popular in the Subcontinent!
I've always assumed one of the main reasons is because it's too hot to play football a lot of the time. You can't run around for 90 minutes in 40 degree heat. Cricket, on the other hand, involves standing around most of the time, wearing clothes that cover you up and reflect the light.
They seem to like playing football in Brazil and many African countries.
If the "Brits" had taught the Indians to play football, they could now be the Brazil of Asia.
"I still prefer football! Can't see why cricket is so popular in the Subcontinent!
I've always assumed one of the main reasons is because it's too hot to play football a lot of the time. You can't run around for 90 minutes in 40 degree heat. Cricket, on the other hand, involves standing around most of the time, wearing clothes that cover you up and reflect the light.
In which case, why do they play the soccer World Cup in hot countries and in summer? Football is a winter sport, every other time the World Cup should be played in Northern Europe in November.
Maybe in order to avoid conflicting with the premier league which seems to be the most important thing in football, although I don't follow it myself.
"Dear Matthew Parris: if the Tories abandon the working class to Ukip, they will deserve to lose 2015
I’m writing this blog at midnight: the angry hour. The hour when you’re only awake because you’ve spotted something that infuriates you and – damn it – you have to put every furious thought down. They teach this process in anger management, apparently. Talk through what went wrong from beginning to end and maybe it’ll all make sense.
What went wrong is that Matthew Parris wrote an article for The Times. A very ugly article indeed. He took a trip to Clacton, the seat being contested in a by-election by Tory/Ukip defector Douglas Carswell, and Matthew was not impressed by what he found. He found a bit of Britain that isn’t London."
Sunil We now have A UK soccer team which we played at the 2012 Olympics for instance
It was a GB team at the Olympics .. not a UK one.
It's a UK team, but called GB by the Olympics for some reason. (No Northern Irish players were selected, or Scottish, but it still represented the whole UK).
It didnt represent the UK. It was called GB by the Olympics because it was a GB team. There is no UK and RoI at the Olympics. There is GB and there is Ireland.
Not so. The Olympics goes with real countries. Some NI athletes of course compete under Irish colours. They just get the name wrong, certainly in the case of the UK which they call GB for some reason.
Wikipedia seems to disagree https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_Council_of_Ireland as it states that Olympic Committees should coincide with national boundaries, so in theory the OCI is just the Olympic Committee for the Republic. But in practice it does seem there is overlapping jurisdiction.
I've had cause to research this in detail (including a chat with dear old Paddy Hickey) and on this I am confident that the BBC is right and wiki is wrong. It is trivial stuff (because, rightly, Northern Irish people can choose which team they want to participate in and have done so with distinction for both) but where would pbc be without pedantry about obscure topics?
If you say the words "pedantry about obscure topics" five times into a mirror, I appear[1]...
The Irish position is that the Ireland Olympic team competes on an all-Ireland basis, encompassing 100% of the island of Ireland. Some people from Northern Ireland who identify as British may compete for TeamGB instead if they wish.
The British position is that TeamGB competes on a UK+Crown Dependencies basis, including 1/6th of the island of Ireland. Some people from Northern Ireland who identify as Irish may compete for Ireland instead if they wish.
Providing nobody enquires too closely, we can get through this without bombs. Look, squirrel!
I still prefer football! Can't see why cricket is so popular in the Subcontinent!
Football was always a working class sport, and cricket a gentleman's one. Seeing that the British in the Raj were mainly aristocrats, I guess that cricket was the main sport they were introduced to. Also, the Indians were very hierarchical historically, so I imagine they would aspire to copy the British elite who were at the top of their social structure.
that does seem a sweeping generalisation. What about the Yorkshire captains who "whistled down the mine" for a new fast bowler? And I am not sure the Raj were aristocrats, a lot of people who went out to India were the impoverished middle classes who went out to make their fortunes. or soldiers who transferred to the Indian army.
However you could argue that the length of time a cricket match takes was easily found by the relatively leisured colonisers. And it is mostly too hot to play football.
I do accept it's sweeping, but I think there's something in it. The Brits in India were a lot more aristocratic than the settlers in places like Rhodesia, Kenya etc.
I still prefer football! Can't see why cricket is so popular in the Subcontinent!
Football was always a working class sport, and cricket a gentleman's one. Seeing that the British in the Raj were mainly aristocrats, I guess that cricket was the main sport they were introduced to. Also, the Indians were very hierarchical historically, so I imagine they would aspire to copy the British elite who were at the top of their social structure.
that does seem a sweeping generalisation. What about the Yorkshire captains who "whistled down the mine" for a new fast bowler? And I am not sure the Raj were aristocrats, a lot of people who went out to India were the impoverished middle classes who went out to make their fortunes. or soldiers who transferred to the Indian army.
However you could argue that the length of time a cricket match takes was easily found by the relatively leisured colonisers. And it is mostly too hot to play football.
Whoever invented 5 day Tests certainly had way too much time on their hands! Did they call it "Test" cricket because it "tests" your patience?
The £, by the way, is still falling. Not dramatically. Not like falling off a cliff.
More like an autumn leaf, dleicately twirling in it sereness from a chestnut tree in late September.
But still. Falling.
Hi @SeanT! "Better together" but we seem to be unable to play Football (OK, except at London 2012), Rugby (OK, except rarely) or Cricket as a UNITED Kingdom?
Providing nobody enquires too closely, we can get through this without bombs. Look, squirrel!
But if you do inquire closely you get the IOC answer which is fairly definitive.
The BOA's recent attempts at land grabs have been unfortunate in my view. The best thing about the status quo is that it is mostly whatever everyone wants it to be (including believing it was a UK football team if you wanted to so long as I wasnt hanging around playing the pedant).
I still prefer football! Can't see why cricket is so popular in the Subcontinent!
Football was always a working class sport, and cricket a gentleman's one. Seeing that the British in the Raj were mainly aristocrats, I guess that cricket was the main sport they were introduced to. Also, the Indians were very hierarchical historically, so I imagine they would aspire to copy the British elite who were at the top of their social structure.
that does seem a sweeping generalisation. What about the Yorkshire captains who "whistled down the mine" for a new fast bowler? And I am not sure the Raj were aristocrats, a lot of people who went out to India were the impoverished middle classes who went out to make their fortunes. or soldiers who transferred to the Indian army.
However you could argue that the length of time a cricket match takes was easily found by the relatively leisured colonisers. And it is mostly too hot to play football.
Whoever invented 5 day Tests certainly had way too much time on their hands! Did they call it "Test" cricket because it "tests" your patience?
Most cricket lovers would probably say 5 day Tests are the most exciting form of the game.
I still prefer football! Can't see why cricket is so popular in the Subcontinent!
Football was always a working class sport, and cricket a gentleman's one. Seeing that the British in the Raj were mainly aristocrats, I guess that cricket was the main sport they were introduced to. Also, the Indians were very hierarchical historically, so I imagine they would aspire to copy the British elite who were at the top of their social structure.
that does seem a sweeping generalisation. What about the Yorkshire captains who "whistled down the mine" for a new fast bowler? And I am not sure the Raj were aristocrats, a lot of people who went out to India were the impoverished middle classes who went out to make their fortunes. or soldiers who transferred to the Indian army.
However you could argue that the length of time a cricket match takes was easily found by the relatively leisured colonisers. And it is mostly too hot to play football.
Whoever invented 5 day Tests certainly had way too much time on their hands! Did they call it "Test" cricket because it "tests" your patience?
Most cricket lovers would probably say 5 day Tests are the most exciting form of the game.
I watched "A Very British Coup" the other day (I have watched it several times), and I am currently part-way through watching the "A House of Cards" trilogy (for the first time since I saw it originally on TV in the 1990s).
I had the mischievous thought of imagining a TV drama combining the most ruthless and efficient characters from both. Francis Urquhart as Conservative Party leader, Harry Perkins as Labour Party leader, and Corder and Fiennes both plotting and scheming in the background.
For some reason I find myself having more sympathy for Francis Urquhart this time than I did the first time round. He seems to be surrounded by buffoons and incompetents (and Michael Kitchen's King is particularly booliakterous) whom he could easily have swatted away easily without even needing to murder several of them.
Sunil We now have A UK soccer team which we played at the 2012 Olympics for instance
It was a GB team at the Olympics .. not a UK one.
It's a UK team, but called GB by the Olympics for some reason. (No Northern Irish players were selected, or Scottish, but it still represented the whole UK).
It didnt represent the UK. It was called GB by the Olympics because it was a GB team. There is no UK and RoI at the Olympics. There is GB and there is Ireland.
Not so. The Olympics goes with real countries. Some NI athletes of course compete under Irish colours. They just get the name wrong, certainly in the case of the UK which they call GB for some reason.
Wikipedia seems to disagree https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_Council_of_Ireland as it states that Olympic Committees should coincide with national boundaries, so in theory the OCI is just the Olympic Committee for the Republic. But in practice it does seem there is overlapping jurisdiction.
You say "for some reason".
I wrote to the International Olympic Committee several years ago to ask why there is a GB team in the Olympics but not a UK one. The answer was basically that it used to be "Great Britain and Empire" (which included Ireland anyway) so the GB name continued after the Republic of Ireland split away. Athletes from Northern Ireland simply choose whether they prefer to compete as part of the GB team or the Ireland team.
It's actually quite frightening (in an odd sort of way) when Ian Richardson turns to the camera and does one of his monologues in House of Cards IMO with that sly sideways look.
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Esher Good
Eben-Esher Good!
Obv bets void if he doesn't resign!
What price & how much?
http://www.horncastlenews.co.uk/news/local/we-can-beat-the-tories-says-new-ukip-candidate-1-6286333#.VA4CW9Cm3Lo.twitter
HanDodges, tempers are unusually frayed this evening, worries from elsewhere bleeding through all around I think.
Good night all.
It will be interesting to see whether these prices shorten or even disappear over the coming days.
But then you think Hugh is tim and they could hardly be more different in style.
Vote NO, get Ed!
Vote YES, get (rid of) Dave!
SeanT - a truly weird request but one I shall grant by banning myself.
And that spells disaster for you. And Ed.
I need to get to bed and have just perfected my next PM/Tory leader portfolio.
(By the way, I saw one of their new 5 car 458/5 trains leaving Waterloo on Friday)
'Bobajob, Thelastboyscout, Boba Fett....'
Basil & his mate? the wording he uses to describe Rod's crossover theory is very familiar.
Interested in this quote from a copper: Why does the victim need to make a complaint? He is only a witness to the crime, criminal offences are committed against the state (or the Queen), not the individual. So if the are x thousand witnesses to a crime, I don't see why you can't prosecute anyway (not that I necessarily think that should have happened in this case, I just thought it's an interesting legal point).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_458
That aspect (it was Indian fans) is properly being brushed under the carpet
You can see that multi culti people haven't learned from the Child abuse cover ups, their dogma is all conquering.. only white people are bad
You only have to imagine how it would be if white fans were booing a non white*** player who had done nothing wrong other than being born the way he was (in their eyes)
***or Eastern European white guy
Stafford, National Health Action: Karen Howell.
http://www.staffordshirenewsletter.co.uk/Stafford-Hospital-campaigner-contest-general/story-22892312-detail/story.html
Reading East, LD: Jenny Woods.
https://twitter.com/DrJennyWoods
Tonbridge & Malling, Lab: Claire Leigh.
twitter.com/KentLabour/status/508729002992074753
But if he didn't then there would be no election because there would be only one candidate, Philip Hammond in my opinion. It would be necessary to square Hague and May on this (Osborne is far too toxic to be leader even if he has been a good CofE), but they would surely fall into line. This happened when IDS was ousted and Michael Howard took over. A long-winded contested leadership election, in the midst of a constitutional crisis, just weeks before the GE, is just too absurd for words.
You can see that multi culti people haven't learned from the Child abuse cover ups, their dogma is all conquering.. only white people are bad
You only have to imagine how it would be if white fans were booing a non white*** player who had done nothing wrong other than being born the way he was (in their eyes)
***or Eastern European white guy
You are aware of the intense rivalry between India and Pakistan?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India–Pakistan_relations
You can see that multi culti people haven't learned from the Child abuse cover ups, their dogma is all conquering.. only white people are bad
You only have to imagine how it would be if white fans were booing a non white*** player who had done nothing wrong other than being born the way he was (in their eyes)
***or Eastern European white guy
If you want to see sectarian booing of sportspeople wait to see if Scotland selects a Rangers player for the qualifier in Dublin. (Or maybe things have improved.)
Could be that he will announce his intention to stand down at the election, and allow the leadership contest to go on without him, Gives him the get out of saying it is necessary for the stability of the country as a whole.
You can see that multi culti people haven't learned from the Child abuse cover ups, their dogma is all conquering.. only white people are bad
You only have to imagine how it would be if white fans were booing a non white*** player who had done nothing wrong other than being born the way he was (in their eyes)
***or Eastern European white guy
It's more to do with the India-Pakistan cricketing history than anything else. Still lamentable, but not something that is going to turn the world upside down.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India–Pakistan_relations
Yes but the people booing are English and so is Moeen Ali!
Still unlikely that Dave is forced out though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_GB
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At91c3wX1Wu5dFkzTjFrRmJRN3F6ODBTTEs4NGFhcUE#gid=0
Cameron 16/1
Is that better than "to leave post as PM"? Same I guess?
The "new leader", after the party vote, would front the election campaign, Dave would soldier on till the end of his term, avoiding outright resignation. Most Tories would be as happy with that, as handing it on to a "caretaker" in what would be a national crisis?
Not necessarily. I was staying in Birmingham last week and saw a ton of India fans at New Street station - many of them had Indian accents (maybe students or temporary workers). They aren't all British Asians.
Ah well that makes it marginally better then... or should I say less worse?!
To be fair I don't have a massive opinion on this, Essex Girl jokes or anything like that, but just riles me when some things are allowed or not mentioned because they fit a different sort of prejudice... its either all wrong or all ok in my book
I still prefer football! Can't see why cricket is so popular in the Subcontinent!
"According to the International Olympic Committee's existing charter, the Olympic Council of Ireland represents the whole island of Ireland."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympics_2004/olympics_2012/3433557.stm
I guess its because the teams are better/more successful?
It's not as if you can't play footy in hot climates - try Brazil!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_claims_to_the_French_throne
I've always assumed one of the main reasons is because it's too hot to play football a lot of the time. You can't run around for 90 minutes in 40 degree heat. Cricket, on the other hand, involves standing around most of the time, wearing clothes that cover you up and reflect the light.
http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/blackburn/11458093.Former_top_cop_selected_as_Tory_candidate_for_Blackburn_general_election/
If the "Brits" had taught the Indians to play football, they could now be the Brazil of Asia.
Pakistan could be Argentina
However you could argue that the length of time a cricket match takes was easily found by the relatively leisured colonisers. And it is mostly too hot to play football.
I’m writing this blog at midnight: the angry hour. The hour when you’re only awake because you’ve spotted something that infuriates you and – damn it – you have to put every furious thought down. They teach this process in anger management, apparently. Talk through what went wrong from beginning to end and maybe it’ll all make sense.
What went wrong is that Matthew Parris wrote an article for The Times. A very ugly article indeed. He took a trip to Clacton, the seat being contested in a by-election by Tory/Ukip defector Douglas Carswell, and Matthew was not impressed by what he found. He found a bit of Britain that isn’t London."
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100285407/dear-matthew-parris-if-the-tories-abandon-the-working-class-to-ukip-they-will-deserve-to-lose-2015/
The Irish position is that the Ireland Olympic team competes on an all-Ireland basis, encompassing 100% of the island of Ireland. Some people from Northern Ireland who identify as British may compete for TeamGB instead if they wish.
The British position is that TeamGB competes on a UK+Crown Dependencies basis, including 1/6th of the island of Ireland. Some people from Northern Ireland who identify as Irish may compete for Ireland instead if they wish.
Providing nobody enquires too closely, we can get through this without bombs. Look, squirrel!
[1] Played by Tony Todd. Only shorter and paler.
"Better together" but we seem to be unable to play Football (OK, except at London 2012), Rugby (OK, except rarely) or Cricket as a UNITED Kingdom?
But less down sharply from the 1.70 high or so. (USD)
The BOA's recent attempts at land grabs have been unfortunate in my view. The best thing about the status quo is that it is mostly whatever everyone wants it to be (including believing it was a UK football team if you wanted to so long as I wasnt hanging around playing the pedant).
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/compulsory-premarital-potency-tests-divide-experts-down-the-middle/article6388344.ece
Con: 2/98
LAB: 28/72
LibD: 39/69
SNP: 87/13
Lab (18%) and LibD (31%) still have quite high Don't knows - 90% of the Tory & SNP Voters have made up their minds.
http://www.tns-bmrb.co.uk/uploads/files/TNSUK_SOM2014Sep9_DataTables.pdf
and
I am currently part-way through watching the "A House of Cards" trilogy (for the first time since I saw it originally on TV in the 1990s).
I had the mischievous thought of imagining a TV drama combining the most ruthless and efficient characters from both. Francis Urquhart as Conservative Party leader, Harry Perkins as Labour Party leader, and Corder and Fiennes both plotting and scheming in the background.
For some reason I find myself having more sympathy for Francis Urquhart this time than I did the first time round. He seems to be surrounded by buffoons and incompetents (and Michael Kitchen's King is particularly booliakterous) whom he could easily have swatted away easily without even needing to murder several of them.
I wrote to the International Olympic Committee several years ago to ask why there is a GB team in the Olympics but not a UK one. The answer was basically that it used to be "Great Britain and Empire" (which included Ireland anyway) so the GB name continued after the Republic of Ireland split away. Athletes from Northern Ireland simply choose whether they prefer to compete as part of the GB team or the Ireland team.