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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited September 2014
    The newly-selected UKIP candidate for Basildon & Billericay, Anne Marie Waters, has tweeted a link to SeantT's latest blog post:

    https://twitter.com/AMDWaters
    http://www.annemariewaters.org/why-i-am-proud-to-stand-for-ukip/
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    JohnLoony said:

    It occurs to me that betting on UKIP winning constituencies in 2015, but not winning any with a coastline, is a bit like betting on the Conservative Party getting a majority of seats but with Labour getting the plurality of votes.

    What is the best UKIP prospect sans coastline I wonder?
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Bit galling for Chris Kelly that the first time he makes the national news is to report his retirement and the fact that he "hasn't given any reasons" for his decision.

    Must be a slightly slow news night.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Sky vox-pop in Grimsby implies UKIP on at least 26%...

    Amazing to note that the Liberal candidate in the 1977 by-election was still the candidate in 2010 !!!

    Certainly a durability record...
    He contested the 1977 by-election as you say, but then didn't reemerge until 1997 since when he's contested it every time.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    UKIP candidate, Sutton Coldfield: Marcus John Brown.

    http://suttoncoldfieldlocal.co.uk/open-letter-marcus-john-brown-11559/
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    AndyJS said:

    "Your hours are long and arduous. Your colleagues are ghastly. Your brilliance goes unrewarded, while a callow schoolboy gets the business brief and a fool is made chair of your party."

    Funniest thing I've read for a long time!

    Agree! Although on ~3 times average earnings I doubt many share our sympathy!
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    Tory MPs to announce their retirements in the last 3 months:

    Chris Kelly (36)
    Mark Simmonds (50)
    David Ruffley (52)
    Dan Byles (40)
    Andrew Lansley (57)
    Greg Barker (48)
    David Willetts (58)
    William Hague (53)
    John Randall (59)
    Mike Weatherley (57)
    James Clappison (57)

    Average age = 51.5.

    Kelly might be the youngest person to voluntarily leave the Commons in quite a while...
    He might beat Paul Marsden's recent record of 37, in 2005...
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    AndyJS said:
    Useful collection of soundbites - but not much beyond that!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990

    AndyJS said:
    Useful collection of soundbites - but not much beyond that!
    Naturally, we'll be accused of complacency, but did you read this?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11064572/Nicola-Sturgeon-and-John-Swinney-ask-civil-servants-to-plan-for-No-vote.html
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited September 2014
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    Don't waste a vote – VOTE BARON BARNES von CLAPTRAP – your Loony candidate

    In these times of political, economic and climatic chaos it is time for a new lunatic to take charge of the asylum. The current asylum, based in Westminster, seems to have little consideration for those in the provinces and seems to be preoccupied with the financial welfare of the current incumbents.":


    http://www.gowerloonies.co.uk/message/
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited September 2014
    LD candidate in Hove advocates voting at the age of ten and the legalisation of all intoxicants:

    http://www.twoleftfeetblog.co.uk/leveakinshove/
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    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:
    Useful collection of soundbites - but not much beyond that!
    Naturally, we'll be accused of complacency, but did you read this?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11064572/Nicola-Sturgeon-and-John-Swinney-ask-civil-servants-to-plan-for-No-vote.html
    Doesn't surprise me, the SNP will want to retake the initiative if voters reject Salmond's Koolaid - but Housden has to be moved.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990

    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:
    Useful collection of soundbites - but not much beyond that!
    Naturally, we'll be accused of complacency, but did you read this?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11064572/Nicola-Sturgeon-and-John-Swinney-ask-civil-servants-to-plan-for-No-vote.html
    Doesn't surprise me, the SNP will want to retake the initiative if voters reject Salmond's Koolaid - but Housden has to be moved.
    Yeah I get the impression he hasn't curried any favours with his counterparts in the south.
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    AndyJS said:

    LD candidate in Hove advocates voting at the age of ten and the legalisation of all intoxicants:

    http://www.twoleftfeetblog.co.uk/leveakinshove/

    Good suggestions. The futility of banning drugs has been discussed plenty before. On kids voting, she's suggesting letting people vote once they're competent to fill out the registration form independently and vote independently. The thought is that you don't need a bureaucrat-specified cut-off, because people who aren't yet capable or interested won't bother. I think you'd want to be extra careful kids weren't being coerced so maybe no postal voting etc, but given that it seems workable, doesn't it? You don't need top-down rules to enforce things that enforce themselves, and people who are too young to get involved in politics don't get involved in politics.
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    From the pro-Indy Herald:

    l The Centre for Economics and Business Research estimated the start-up costs for an independent Scotland to be nearly £2.5bn with another £2bn costs because of the need for new currency arrangements, 10 times the SNP's preferred estimate;

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/salmond-refuses-to-withdraw-threat-to-renege-on-independent-scotlands-debt.25192634
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990

    From the pro-Indy Herald:

    l The Centre for Economics and Business Research estimated the start-up costs for an independent Scotland to be nearly £2.5bn with another £2bn costs because of the need for new currency arrangements, 10 times the SNP's preferred estimate;

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/salmond-refuses-to-withdraw-threat-to-renege-on-independent-scotlands-debt.25192634

    Unionist lap dogs.
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    Far more people are planning to vote Yes than the polls show. That, in a nutshell, is what Alex Salmond's camp believe. And the thinking behind that belief is one of the most important hypotheticals underpinning this campaign.

    Will enough new voters turn out for Yes to swing it their way?
    Over the last 10 days, two of the First Minister's closest advisers have privately said they believe the polls are underplaying support for independence. Both had largely the same argument, which goes something like this.

    People are only ever picked up by pollsters if they have a landline telephone or internet connection. All the signs are that turnout will be as high as 80 per cent come September 18 (way above the last Scottish election, which was around 50 per cent). Huge swathes of new voters – registering for the first time or coming back to politics after years of apathy – are not being registered by polls. And the vast majority of them will vote Yes.


    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/benrileysmith/100284673/scotland-decides-17-days-left-team-salmond-believe-the-polls-are-wrong/
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,090
    Ishmael_X said:

    malcolmg said:

    Independence referendum ups record political bet, now stands to collect £1 million

    One customer has now bet a total of £800,000 on the vote, and stands to win £1 million if the Scottish people reject independence on September 18.

    The punter had already placed the biggest political bet ever, placing £400,000 in June 2014. He then increased that £600,000 in early August, at the same William Hill branch in south-west London where he has placed all of his bets.

    The middle-aged businessman, who has remained anonymous, is not a Scot and will not have a vote in the referendum.

    https://news.google.co.uk/news/section?pz=1&cf=all&topic=n

    How can he win a million if he bet #800K and gets back less than a million. Any moronic halfwit knows that is not a million never mind winning a million. If lucky he wins 173K which is far from a million.
    erm, malc, I am no expert but I think he might get his stake back.

    Just possibly.

    That is not winning , he gets his stake plus approx 173K , far from WINNING a million.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,090

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Hugh said:

    Does everyone agree that surely Rotherham MUST have an affect on the Labour vote? All parties of power have a share in the blame, but surely Labour must be the worst affected.

    No. This is way beyond party politics.

    And though PB Powellites have clearly been having a field day since the report, it's way beyond race too.

    In fact one of the most important things is that we don't allow racists and anti-immigration obsessives to hijack the whole thing to push their vile agenda. Otherwise we let down the victims and reduce our chances of dealing with this.
    Calling me a Powellite is fine with me.. I think Enoch was the greatest politician we have had, and recent events have proved him entirely right and idiots like you/tim completely wrong

    However, I haven't mentioned race, and specifically said the same would have happened (segregation and ghettoisation creating a them and us atmosphere/cover ups) if the immigrants had been Amish Americans

    Its your kind of thinking that's got us into this mess If I were you I'd try and change the subject again because your sort are guilty of aiding and abetting child rape
    Powell was a piss-poor politician. He was a first-class example of why a brilliant mind is not necessarily an advantage if it can't be allied to an understanding of the public. Both he and the country would have been much better if he'd stayed in academia, penning articles and appearing on TV and radio discussion programmes from time to time when he had something to say (which would have been frequently).
    Didn't understand the public????

    When he made the Birmingham speech, opinion polls overwhelmingly backed him, and Heseltine said he would have won a landslide! He was the voice of the people

    The politicians ignored his advice and look where we are now

    Check this out from 1965.... The public's opinion on whether Enoch would make a good leader

    http://www.macearchive.org/Archive/Title/atv-today-26071965-enoch-powell-vox-pops/MediaEntry/25428.html
    thing.
    If you asked the public to give you a politician from that era I bet his name would crop up most and in fact lots of people would only remember him.
    Just because you do not like him does not make him a poor politician. You try to make out that his speech, which has come true, and not the appeasers that have caused Rotherham. Blame lies with the current Labour and Tory freeloaders who have no backbone and whose only interest is filling their pockets. The current cartel of mediocrity needs to be broken and real humans need to start being politicians again, clear out these parasites.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,090

    On Chris Kelly: who can blame him? The majority of parliamentarians have no prospect of achieving office and the vast majority have no prospect of achieving high office. The pay is well below what most can earn outside the House, and claiming allowances, even in accordance with the rules, is fraught with risks. By being an MP approximately half the population automatically hold you in low esteem. By aligning yourself with a party, 75% do. Much of your work is repetitive and of little consequence. On matters of great consequence you are likely to be compelled by the whip. The job lacks the glamour and excitement many outside assume it must have; attempts to find that excitement often end up with a double-page spread in the Mail on Sunday, an expensive divorce and a wry smile. You are pilloried if you stray off message, and condemned as an automaton if you do not. Your motives are suspected by many. Your hours are long and arduous. Your colleagues are ghastly. Your brilliance goes unrewarded, while a callow schoolboy gets the business brief and a fool is made chair of your party. Your voters are unforgiving. Your fortunes intertwined with your party.

    I have nothing but admiration for those who stand, but we really should reflect on whether the system encourages or dissuades good candidates from putting themselves forward and staying once there!

    Sure there are plenty of jobs giving more than 150K minimum for these dumplings. They are also likely to have low hours , 4 months holidays and gold plated pensions as well.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,090
    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:
    Useful collection of soundbites - but not much beyond that!
    Naturally, we'll be accused of complacency, but did you read this?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11064572/Nicola-Sturgeon-and-John-Swinney-ask-civil-servants-to-plan-for-No-vote.html
    Rob , that is what real politicians do, will be a shock on 19th when the turkeys in Westminster have to start planning after NO.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,941
    edited September 2014

    From the pro-Indy Herald:

    l The Centre for Economics and Business Research estimated the start-up costs for an independent Scotland to be nearly £2.5bn with another £2bn costs because of the need for new currency arrangements, 10 times the SNP's preferred estimate;

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/salmond-refuses-to-withdraw-threat-to-renege-on-independent-scotlands-debt.25192634

    The Herald's not pro-indy during the week, very far from it (except for some of its columnists, and they are more neutral than outright pro-indy). It's the Sunday Herald that is pro-indy, belatedly, and whose circulation has BTW gone up.

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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,090
    RobD said:

    From the pro-Indy Herald:

    l The Centre for Economics and Business Research estimated the start-up costs for an independent Scotland to be nearly £2.5bn with another £2bn costs because of the need for new currency arrangements, 10 times the SNP's preferred estimate;

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/salmond-refuses-to-withdraw-threat-to-renege-on-independent-scotlands-debt.25192634

    Unionist lap dogs.
    They are not even that good, comes from Jack's astroturf group so you can be sure it is absolute bollocks
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,090

    From the pro-Indy Herald:

    l The Centre for Economics and Business Research estimated the start-up costs for an independent Scotland to be nearly £2.5bn with another £2bn costs because of the need for new currency arrangements, 10 times the SNP's preferred estimate;

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/salmond-refuses-to-withdraw-threat-to-renege-on-independent-scotlands-debt.25192634

    The Herald is not pro Indy , quite the opposite as it is a rabid unionist rag. You are confused about Scottish matters as usual and mixing it up with the Sunday Herald.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,090
    edited September 2014
    Carnyx said:

    From the pro-Indy Herald:

    l The Centre for Economics and Business Research estimated the start-up costs for an independent Scotland to be nearly £2.5bn with another £2bn costs because of the need for new currency arrangements, 10 times the SNP's preferred estimate;

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/salmond-refuses-to-withdraw-threat-to-renege-on-independent-scotlands-debt.25192634

    The Herald's not pro-indy during the week, very far from it (except for some of its columnists, and they are more neutral than outright pro-indy). It's the Sunday Herald that is pro-indy, belatedly, and whose circulation has BTW gone up.

    Carnyx, LOL you are talking to someone who cares not about the truth as long as she can get a bitter twisted remark about Scotland posted. Obviously an establishment Tory trougher concerned about their future when the union is bust. Paid to post this rubbish no doubt, and still not good at it.
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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038
    RobD said:

    Dadge said:

    I wish Cameron and other leaders would stop pussyfooting around about the Ukraine. It's tantamount to appeasement. I know it would've hurt, but the only way to've stopped Putin in his tracks would've been full sanctions, i.e. an import/export ban and asset freeze. The idea that this man is now able to use the current situation as a bargaining position is pretty sickening.

    Given Europe's reliance on Russian gas, I doubt that would happen
    Well the best time to do it would've been back in May/June - surviving a few weeks (given that Putin would get the message and back down) in summer without energy is rather easier than a few weeks in winter. Top and bottom of it is, very few people want to see people killed and towns destroyed, and even fewer people want western military intervention. So the only options are the short-term hardship of sanctions, or a new Sudetenland.
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