It would do Dave no harm at all to kick big business in the nuts for once and play the people decide card.
He was unaccountably reluctant to let the Scots do that, as you may recall*. There was someone on this site who made the prediction that in many ways the Indyref was going to be a rehearsal for the Brexit (or, as things may be, EWNIexit) referendum. Very perceptive.
*until things had got to the stage where they would declare their own referendum and if need be UDI
Unfortunately he won't. It would do him no harm though!
The guardian needs to take a f**king long look at itself. For years now its downplayed this, and played dangerously with accusing all and sundry of racism (Clarkson, Meerkats, Thomas the tank engine et al). It's helped create this atmosphere, and it should now review what it posted, especially in CiF
So far the blame lies with Labour, political correctness, the Guardian and immigrants (natch).
If we could somehow shoehorn in the BBC, people on benefits and the EU we'd have a full house!
Great that we're taking this grave matter seriously rather than using it to score cheap political points huh.
I just posted a clear link showing how the Guardian attacked the people investigating this, and somehow criticising the Guardian is is "scoring cheap political points".
It's like Silvio Berlusconi complaining that all the attacks on him were just partisan smears from the Communists. You're doing exactly the same thing.
@dyedwoolie Are you suggesting that Labour Politicians are in league with child abusers? We need an immediate inquiry into these goings on in our ruling classes. The possibility of child molesters in government is something that needs looking into urgently.
@Socratese I must have missed your reply on child/arranged marriages in Europe from the sixth century to more "modern" times. Could you re-enlighten me?
Can I talk about Clacton? I think 10/1 for Labour is far too pessimistic. The question is: is Clacton another Lincoln 1973 (Labour MP defects and triggers a by-election; wins by taking votes from both main parties) or another Mitcham & Morden 1982 (Labour MP defects and triggers a by-election; Labour vote split and Conservatives come through the middle to win)?
Labour's vote share has been static or gone up in nearly every by-election of this Parliament. They even put on vote share (just) in Eastleigh when fourth position should have seen them squeezed. If Labour can hold its 2010 vote and take much of the LibDem vote, then they're well-placed to come through the middle of a Con/UKIP split vote and win.
This of course presumes that Labour don't do a Newark and fail to put up a fight.
In Lincoln, Tavener left his party to move to the centre. Carswell has left his party to move to the right. Tavener was able to pick up votes from Conservative, Labour and Liberal. Carswell could face anti-UKIP tactical voting. So I don't think this is another Lincoln. (Of course, it's probably not another Mitcham & Morden, which took place during the Falklands War... although given Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine, maybe World War III will have broken out by the time the by-election is held.)
@dyedwoolie Are you suggesting that Labour Politicians are in league with child abusers? We need an immediate inquiry into these goings on in our ruling classes. The possibility of child molesters in government is something that needs looking into urgently.
Local Labour politicians actively tried to interfere with the inquiry in Rotherham, and the woman carrying out the inquiry included this in the report.
Academic study: bigger firms could leave iScotland if currency deal fails
MAJOR Scottish companies will quit the country if post-Yes talks even start to suggest a currency union will not materialise, according to an independent survey.
Several "larger PLCs" would move their headquarters south of the Border as soon as they felt the "direction of travel" in separation negotiations would hurt the pound or put up barriers to trading, the Edinburgh University study found.
Oops! Edinburgh......
Has nobody on this site noticed that Mr Cameron was berated at the infamous illegal-when-planned dinner in Glasgow, and by the CBI no less, for his chaos over Brexit? (Or EWNIexit as the case may be.)
Yes, Dave was in receipt of two rather unhelpful interventions yesterday - tho I believe some suggested that while no one would believe the CBI on the UK, magically they would on the EU. Odd that.....
Well, you might want to consider the closeness of the links between the CBI's members and the London and Edinburgh governments respectively, and consider whose choke collar is having the lead yanked.
I see that US companies are already moving to Dublin, BTW. A Scotland in the EU and EWNI out of it could be very interesting.
How long will it take Scotland to become an EU member exactly?
Given the most recent reports from the EU, after Mr Camron;s chum left, in time for indy day (in a sense it is already a member, as a constituent nation of the UK). The tone has changed very noticeably from the EU end, and the No campaign seem to have shut up about it also very noticeably.
Any links?
Agreeing a treaty of accession, let alone getting it through 27 Parliaments by March 2016 may be, as Sir Humphrey might say, "ambitious".......and then there's the parliament that you've refused to pay your share of debt to......
@dyedwoolie Are you suggesting that Labour Politicians are in league with child abusers? We need an immediate inquiry into these goings on in our ruling classes. The possibility of child molesters in government is something that needs looking into urgently.
The labour council, labour head of child services and labour etc etc etc are complicit, you don't need to be 'in league' to be complicit. And yes, we do. All the sacred cows need to burn. I just fancy Labour first, given they are the worst of the bunch.
Another day of deafening silence from spineless Ed Miliband, on the sexual abuse of 1200 in Rotherham.
Do votes matter more than children?
A number of commentators here have suggested that this is too important an issue for a partisan approach. I look forward to your explanation as to why we are wrong and you are right.
Surely a non-partisan approach would mean a thorough condemnation from all party leaders and a pledge to work together to address all the issues?
Instead Miliband is silent on this. It's disgusting and he should be ashamed of himself.
Choosing to delegate is a sign of strength of leadership.It's easier when he has trusted able deputies like Yvette Cooper.
Yes, Ed Milband delegates his comments and press releases unless it's truly important stuff like Tory defections, the Scottish referendum and, um, the death of Richard Attenborough:
@dyedwoolie Are you suggesting that Labour Politicians are in league with child abusers? We need an immediate inquiry into these goings on in our ruling classes. The possibility of child molesters in government is something that needs looking into urgently.
Government no. Rotherham council ?...well that needs investigation doesn't it.
Are you suggesting that political correctness (or racial sensitivity, if you prefer) did not play a part?
Many Labour supporters, to their credit, do admit this. And it did no favours to the innocent (by far the majority) in the Pakistan community who are now being viewed with suspicion.
You can't complain if you "own" PC. You gain in the same way, because you "own" the NHS.
The guardian needs to take a f**king long look at itself. For years now its downplayed this, and played dangerously with accusing all and sundry of racism (Clarkson, Meerkats, Thomas the tank engine et al). It's helped create this atmosphere, and it should now review what it posted, especially in CiF
So far the blame lies with Labour, political correctness, the Guardian and immigrants (natch).
If we could somehow shoehorn in the BBC, people on benefits and the EU we'd have a full house!
Great that we're taking this grave matter seriously rather than using it to score cheap political points huh.
I just posted a clear link showing how the Guardian attacked the people investigating this, and somehow criticising the Guardian is is "scoring cheap political points".
It's like Silvio Berlusconi complaining that all the attacks on him were just partisan smears from the Communists. You're doing exactly the same thing.
Were all dirty racists don't ya know? Anger is a sign of racism. Asking questions, that's racist. Wanting heads to roll, racist.
"By building an apparent consensus of voices "bravely" speaking out in the face of accusations of racism, it becomes that much harder for a figure from within the Muslim community to offer a more nuanced perspective or indeed state that these allegations are simply not true. The inevitable and distorting consequence of framing the debate around a "conspiracy of silence" is that it effectively shuts down or taints as mealy-mouthed any criticism.
The efforts of the Times to stand up this investigation are certainly considerable: selectively quoting or misquoting some groups, and inventing a category of "on-street grooming" that does not exist in law and was not recognised by any of the agencies I spoke to. It is also worth asking how responsible it is to provide ammunition to the violent racist extremists already active in these areas on such flawed evidence."
Can I talk about Clacton? I think 10/1 for Labour is far too pessimistic. The question is: is Clacton another Lincoln 1973 (Labour MP defects and triggers a by-election; wins by taking votes from both main parties) or another Mitcham & Morden 1982 (Labour MP defects and triggers a by-election; Labour vote split and Conservatives come through the middle to win)?
Labour's vote share has been static or gone up in nearly every by-election of this Parliament. They even put on vote share (just) in Eastleigh when fourth position should have seen them squeezed. If Labour can hold its 2010 vote and take much of the LibDem vote, then they're well-placed to come through the middle of a Con/UKIP split vote and win.
This of course presumes that Labour don't do a Newark and fail to put up a fight.
In Lincoln, Tavener left his party to move to the centre. Carswell has left his party to move to the right. Tavener was able to pick up votes from Conservative, Labour and Liberal. Carswell could face anti-UKIP tactical voting. So I don't think this is another Lincoln. (Of course, it's probably not another Mitcham & Morden, which took place during the Falklands War... although given Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine, maybe World War III will have broken out by the time the by-election is held.)
Hark at you, sullying political betting with your talk of politics and betting!
That was my initial thought too. The raw numbers would appear to give Labour a very good chance.
I don't think the political dynamics do though. And as you say, there's every chance they'll just put their feet up and get then popcorn in rather than having a go. I'd be tempted at a bit longer than 10/1 mind.
@Socrates "Local Labour politicians actively tried to interfere with the inquiry in Rotherham" Evidence went missing, and files were lost? Perhaps we could get the brother/sister of some of those involved to chair an investigation into the matter, and if anyone objects, we can sweep it under the carpet till a better time. Perhaps Dave could give pointers on how to do it?
Can I talk about Clacton? I think 10/1 for Labour is far too pessimistic. The question is: is Clacton another Lincoln 1973 (Labour MP defects and triggers a by-election; wins by taking votes from both main parties) or another Mitcham & Morden 1982 (Labour MP defects and triggers a by-election; Labour vote split and Conservatives come through the middle to win)?
Labour's vote share has been static or gone up in nearly every by-election of this Parliament. They even put on vote share (just) in Eastleigh when fourth position should have seen them squeezed. If Labour can hold its 2010 vote and take much of the LibDem vote, then they're well-placed to come through the middle of a Con/UKIP split vote and win.
This of course presumes that Labour don't do a Newark and fail to put up a fight.
In Lincoln, Tavener left his party to move to the centre. Carswell has left his party to move to the right. Tavener was able to pick up votes from Conservative, Labour and Liberal. Carswell could face anti-UKIP tactical voting. So I don't think this is another Lincoln. (Of course, it's probably not another Mitcham & Morden, which took place during the Falklands War... although given Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine, maybe World War III will have broken out by the time the by-election is held.)
Ukip won the euros by almost 10,000 in Clacton, and now they have the incumbent MP standing for them.... I think it takes a great leap of faith to think those who voted ukip in the euros are not more likely to do so again now
@Socrates "Local Labour politicians actively tried to interfere with the inquiry in Rotherham" Evidence went missing, and files were lost? Perhaps we could get the brother/sister of some of those involved to chair an investigation into the matter, and if anyone objects, we can sweep it under the carpet till a better time. Perhaps Dave could give pointers on how to do it?
A senior officer stated that councillors of Pakistani-heritage acted as "barriers" in the investigation.
@dyedwoolie Are you suggesting that Labour Politicians are in league with child abusers? We need an immediate inquiry into these goings on in our ruling classes. The possibility of child molesters in government is something that needs looking into urgently.
Government no. Rotherham council ?...well that needs investigation doesn't it.
MacShane admitted yesterday he shied away from investigating and should have done more. The rot goes into parliament.
It seems somewhat ironic that an independent Scotland using sterlingisation, may have to say goodbye to its banknotes, and use the ones printed by the Bank of England instead.
Imagine the amusement to be had by putting Thatcher on the back of the £10 note.
And Edward Longshanks!
Replace all the edge inscriptions on the pound coin with "Malleus Scotorum"
@Socrates "Local Labour politicians actively tried to interfere with the inquiry in Rotherham" Evidence went missing, and files were lost? Perhaps we could get the brother/sister of some of those involved to chair an investigation into the matter, and if anyone objects, we can sweep it under the carpet till a better time. Perhaps Dave could give pointers on how to do it?
It seems somewhat ironic that an independent Scotland using sterlingisation, may have to say goodbye to its banknotes, and use the ones printed by the Bank of England instead.
Imagine the amusement to be had by putting Thatcher on the back of the £10 note.
And perhaps something to remind us of another Scottish last leap into the dark, namely the Darien Scheme, to which I can see certain parallels...
@Slackbladder Yes, it does need investigation, but there seems to be a lack of suitable people who can do it. We already have an investigation "pending" on a possibly related matter.
Another day of deafening silence from spineless Ed Miliband, on the sexual abuse of 1200 in Rotherham.
Do votes matter more than children?
A number of commentators here have suggested that this is too important an issue for a partisan approach. I look forward to your explanation as to why we are wrong and you are right.
Surely a non-partisan approach would mean a thorough condemnation from all party leaders and a pledge to work together to address all the issues?
Instead Miliband is silent on this. It's disgusting and he should be ashamed of himself.
Choosing to delegate is a sign of strength of leadership.It's easier when he has trusted able deputies like Yvette Cooper.
Yes, Ed Milband delegates his comments and press releases unless it's truly important stuff like Tory defections, the Scottish referendum and, um, the death of Richard Attenborough:
I can never work out whether Labour posters on here are knowingly spinning a line about this stuff or genuinely have their head in the sand.
You cannot expect the Labour leader to dance to Ukip's tune.That's David Cameron's job.
Condemning what has happened in Rotherham and pledging to do something about it is not dancing to UKIPs tune. It should be politics 101.
People are upset about something - you make sure it's out there in the news that you are upset about it too.
Miliband showed that he knows this when he went walkabouts during the flooding last winter.
It's an important aspect of leadership not to commentate on the 24 hr. media cycle like Cameron does but to give considered,not knee-jerk, responses.
Thank God Ed Miliband doesn't comment on the 24 hr media cycle:
Ed Miliband @Ed_Miliband · Aug 25 Alistair Darling showed once again tonight that Alex Salmond has absolutely no answers on key questions around independence. #BetterTogether
Ed Miliband @Ed_Miliband · Aug 25 The death of Richard Attenborough is a sad day for the film world and the Labour movement. He and his work will be remembered.
Another day of deafening silence from spineless Ed Miliband, on the sexual abuse of 1200 in Rotherham.
Do votes matter more than children?
A number of commentators here have suggested that this is too important an issue for a partisan approach. I look forward to your explanation as to why we are wrong and you are right.
Surely a non-partisan approach would mean a thorough condemnation from all party leaders and a pledge to work together to address all the issues?
Instead Miliband is silent on this. It's disgusting and he should be ashamed of himself.
Choosing to delegate is a sign of strength of leadership.It's easier when he has trusted able deputies like Yvette Cooper.
Yes, Ed Milband delegates his comments and press releases unless it's truly important stuff like Tory defections, the Scottish referendum and, um, the death of Richard Attenborough:
Can I talk about Clacton? I think 10/1 for Labour is far too pessimistic. The question is: is Clacton another Lincoln 1973 (Labour MP defects and triggers a by-election; wins by taking votes from both main parties) or another Mitcham & Morden 1982 (Labour MP defects and triggers a by-election; Labour vote split and Conservatives come through the middle to win)?
Labour's vote share has been static or gone up in nearly every by-election of this Parliament. They even put on vote share (just) in Eastleigh when fourth position should have seen them squeezed. If Labour can hold its 2010 vote and take much of the LibDem vote, then they're well-placed to come through the middle of a Con/UKIP split vote and win.
This of course presumes that Labour don't do a Newark and fail to put up a fight.
In Lincoln, Tavener left his party to move to the centre. Carswell has left his party to move to the right. Tavener was able to pick up votes from Conservative, Labour and Liberal. Carswell could face anti-UKIP tactical voting. So I don't think this is another Lincoln. (Of course, it's probably not another Mitcham & Morden, which took place during the Falklands War... although given Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine, maybe World War III will have broken out by the time the by-election is held.)
Hark at you, sullying political betting with your talk of politics and betting!
That was my initial thought too. The raw numbers would appear to give Labour a very good chance.
I don't think the political dynamics do though. And as you say, there's every chance they'll just put their feet up and get then popcorn in rather than having a go. I'd be tempted at a bit longer than 10/1 mind.
I put a couple of quid on at 32:1 on Labour at Betfair.
Faisal Islam (@faisalislam) 29/08/2014 10:42 Ukip treasurer Stuart wheeler has told @SkyNews there are two other Conservative MPs considering defection to UKIP. Interview coming up..
Academic study: bigger firms could leave iScotland if currency deal fails
MAJOR Scottish companies will quit the country if post-Yes talks even start to suggest a currency union will not materialise, according to an independent survey.
Several "larger PLCs" would move their headquarters south of the Border as soon as they felt the "direction of travel" in separation negotiations would hurt the pound or put up barriers to trading, the Edinburgh University study found.
Oops! Edinburgh......
Has nobody on this site noticed that Mr Cameron was berated at the infamous illegal-when-planned dinner in Glasgow, and by the CBI no less, for his chaos over Brexit? (Or EWNIexit as the case may be.)
Yes, Dave was in receipt of two rather unhelpful interventions yesterday - tho I believe some suggested that while no one would believe the CBI on the UK, magically they would on the EU. Odd that.....
Well, you might want to consider the closeness of the links between the CBI's members and the London and Edinburgh governments respectively, and consider whose choke collar is having the lead yanked.
I see that US companies are already moving to Dublin, BTW. A Scotland in the EU and EWNI out of it could be very interesting.
How long will it take Scotland to become an EU member exactly?
Given the most recent reports from the EU, after Mr Camron;s chum left, in time for indy day (in a sense it is already a member, as a constituent nation of the UK). The tone has changed very noticeably from the EU end, and the No campaign seem to have shut up about it also very noticeably.
Any links?
Agreeing a treaty of accession, let alone getting it through 27 Parliaments by March 2016 may be, as Sir Humphrey might say, "ambitious".......and then there's the parliament that you've refused to pay your share of debt to......
Have to go out, genuinely, sorry - but much of it is a negative which I cannot therefore prove, obviously, and the rest you will be familiar with. If you need to refresh your memory on what has been a loooong campaign, you could check out the Wee Blue Book on wingsoverscotland.com - I am sure it will have germane facts (from the unionist side) and comment, and almost certainly the necessary references.
As for failue to pay the debt, (a) there is no such thing now the Treasury has spoken, and (b) it would only happen if EWNI had welshed in the first place.
@TheWatcher Out of all our highly paid judges, we only had one suitable to chair an inquiry into our politicians? It is unfortunate that her relationship to one of the people who may or may not have been involved seems to have torpedoed it, and that there is no other replacement available.
Updating the list to include more recent convictions that fit the same pattern, we find that there have been at least 27 similar cases in the last decade.
By date of conviction, we have evidence of such exploitation taking place in Keighley (2005 and 2013), Blackpool (2006), Oldham (2007 and 2008), Blackburn (2007, 2008 and 2009), Sheffield (2008), Manchester (2008 and 2013) Skipton (2009), Rochdale (two cases in 2010, one in 2012 and another in 2013), Nelson (2010), Preston (2010) Rotherham (2010) Derby (2010), Telford (2012), Bradford (2012), Ipswich (2013), Birmingham (2013), Oxford (2013), Barking (2013) and Peterborough (2013).
Ukip won the euros by almost 10,000 in Clacton, and now they have the incumbent MP standing for them.... I think it takes a great leap of faith to think those who voted ukip in the euros are not more likely to do so again now
People clearly do not vote the same way in Euro-elections and Westminster elections. And turnout will surely be higher in the by-election.
To say UKIP have an incumbent MP is misleading. He was elected as a Tory.
Faisal Islam (@faisalislam) 29/08/2014 10:42 Ukip treasurer Stuart wheeler has told @SkyNews there are two other Conservative MPs considering defection to UKIP. Interview coming up..
That's good news. It's six fewer than the last time he flew this particular kite, appears that UKIP is losing its appeal to potential ship jumpers.
I hope next week's episode remembers to have a coherent plot. Rather liked Capaldi's cantankerous exchanges with Clara.
He's a proper old school Doctor
Daleks tomorrow too
Cant wait I like Capaldis Dr Maybe I am too old.
We need more Slitheen.
Gordon Brown was one of the Slitheen in Eccleston's encounter with them at number ten. He thought the Beeb were filming a documentary. Yep, it's a GB is fat and evil comment.
Have to go out, genuinely, sorry - but much of it is a negative which I cannot therefore prove, obviously, and the rest you will be familiar with. If you need to refresh your memory on what has been a loooong campaign, you could check out the Wee Blue Book on wingsoverscotland.com - I am sure it will have germane facts (from the unionist side) and comment, and almost certainly the necessary references.
As for failue to pay the debt, (a) there is no such thing now the Treasury has spoken, and (b) it would only happen if EWNI had welshed in the first place.
I see you adopt the Swinney approach that the other side won't mind on the debt....good luck with that! When has rUK ever been asked if it wanted a currency union?
Faisal Islam (@faisalislam) 29/08/2014 10:42 Ukip treasurer Stuart wheeler has told @SkyNews there are two other Conservative MPs considering defection to UKIP. Interview coming up..
Mr Bone and Mad Nad. Go on, jump.
Doesn't say much for Wheelers dining company skills
I hope one of our many lurking journalists nails her for it.
I still can't quite get over how blase Denis MacShane was about it and even seemed perversely proud that his liberal Left credentials wouldn't allow him to acknowledge what was going on his in OWN constituency.
"By building an apparent consensus of voices "bravely" speaking out in the face of accusations of racism, it becomes that much harder for a figure from within the Muslim community to offer a more nuanced perspective or indeed state that these allegations are simply not true. The inevitable and distorting consequence of framing the debate around a "conspiracy of silence" is that it effectively shuts down or taints as mealy-mouthed any criticism.
The efforts of the Times to stand up this investigation are certainly considerable: selectively quoting or misquoting some groups, and inventing a category of "on-street grooming" that does not exist in law and was not recognised by any of the agencies I spoke to. It is also worth asking how responsible it is to provide ammunition to the violent racist extremists already active in these areas on such flawed evidence."
Faisal Islam (@faisalislam) 29/08/2014 10:42 Ukip treasurer Stuart wheeler has told @SkyNews there are two other Conseervative MPs considering defection to UKIP. Interview coming up..
Good morning all and firstly congratulations to the LibDems on their convincing hold in Newcastle yesterday. Should keep OGH and Mark Senior on good form until the next time they get a thumping.
Really don't know what to make of the Clacton episode yesterday. I suppose strategically as a Tory I should either want the By-election Tory candidate to beat Douglas Carswell but maybe the best thing is for him to split the vote and temporarily let Labour snatch the seat. That would make it clear Vote Kipper Get Ed the Bland one in No 10.
Well 3 weeks from now we will know the result of the IndyRef thank goodness.
Another day of deafening silence from spineless Ed Miliband, on the sexual abuse of 1200 in Rotherham.
Do votes matter more than children?
A number of commentators here have suggested that this is too important an issue for a partisan approach. I look forward to your explanation as to why we are wrong and you are right.
Surely a non-partisan approach would mean a thorough condemnation from all party leaders and a pledge to work together to address all the issues?
Instead Miliband is silent on this. It's disgusting and he should be ashamed of himself.
Choosing to delegate is a sign of strength of leadership.It's easier when he has trusted able deputies like Yvette Cooper.
Yes, Ed Milband delegates his comments and press releases unless it's truly important stuff like Tory defections, the Scottish referendum and, um, the death of Richard Attenborough:
Completely O/t but I'm a bit taken aback about this.
I've just received a letter from the council where I rented a property about 10 years ago. Apparently the property was wrongly banded and I am due a refund! Nice, however I phoned the council and asked about interest on the 'loan' I've effectively given the council for 10 years and was told that interest is not payable and that there is legislation to that effect.
Where else is there that enshrines in law that you have to loan money interest free for 10 years?
Another day of deafening silence from spineless Ed Miliband, on the sexual abuse of 1200 in Rotherham.
Do votes matter more than children?
A number of commentators here have suggested that this is too important an issue for a partisan approach. I look forward to your explanation as to why we are wrong and you are right.
Surely a non-partisan approach would mean a thorough condemnation from all party leaders and a pledge to work together to address all the issues?
Instead Miliband is silent on this. It's disgusting and he should be ashamed of himself.
Choosing to delegate is a sign of strength of leadership.It's easier when he has trusted able deputies like Yvette Cooper.
Yes, Ed Milband delegates his comments and press releases unless it's truly important stuff like Tory defections, the Scottish referendum and, um, the death of Richard Attenborough:
Completely O/t but I'm a bit taken aback about this.
I've just received a letter from the council where I rented a property about 10 years ago. Apparently the property was wrongly banded and I am due a refund! Nice, however I phoned the council and asked about interest on the 'loan' I've effectively given the council for 10 years and was told that interest is not payable and that there is legislation to that effect.
Where else is there that enshrines in law that you have to loan money interest free for 10 years?
The student loan system. They don't tell you that you've finished paying your loan until the beginning of the next academic year. So you'll quite often continue to make payments out of your pay check to the student loan company for months after you've already paid your loan. And no interest is received when you eventually get it back (which you have to apply for - not automatic).
Another day of deafening silence from spineless Ed Miliband, on the sexual abuse of 1200 in Rotherham.
Do votes matter more than children?
A number of commentators here have suggested that this is too important an issue for a partisan approach. I look forward to your explanation as to why we are wrong and you are right.
Surely a non-partisan approach would mean a thorough condemnation from all party leaders and a pledge to work together to address all the issues?
Instead Miliband is silent on this. It's disgusting and he should be ashamed of himself.
Choosing to delegate is a sign of strength of leadership.It's easier when he has trusted able deputies like Yvette Cooper.
Yes, Ed Milband delegates his comments and press releases unless it's truly important stuff like Tory defections, the Scottish referendum and, um, the death of Richard Attenborough:
I can never work out whether Labour posters on here are knowingly spinning a line about this stuff or genuinely have their head in the sand.
You cannot expect the Labour leader to dance to Ukip's tune.That's David Cameron's job.
Condemning what has happened in Rotherham and pledging to do something about it is not dancing to UKIPs tune. It should be politics 101.
People are upset about something - you make sure it's out there in the news that you are upset about it too.
Miliband showed that he knows this when he went walkabouts during the flooding last winter.
It's an important aspect of leadership not to commentate on the 24 hr. media cycle like Cameron does but to give considered,not knee-jerk, responses.
I hope that you're a Tory plant trying to make Labour people look bad.
The Rotherham report has been in the public domain for several days now. Plenty of time for Miliband to read the whole thing and give a considered response.
Ukip won the euros by almost 10,000 in Clacton, and now they have the incumbent MP standing for them.... I think it takes a great leap of faith to think those who voted ukip in the euros are not more likely to do so again now
People clearly do not vote the same way in Euro-elections and Westminster elections. And turnout will surely be higher in the by-election.
To say UKIP have an incumbent MP is misleading. He was elected as a Tory.
I didn't say ukip had an incumbent MP!
And isaid they were more likely to vote ukip with Carswell as the candidate... If you disagree there is a 1/100 shot that can be backed at 4/1 with Ladbrokes
Funny how PB Tories are still obsessed by the small town in Sheffield story as Tory MPs contemplating defection to UKIP appears to be somewhat a more serious problem for Dave
Another day of deafening silence from spineless Ed Miliband, on the sexual abuse of 1200 in Rotherham.
Do votes matter more than children?
A number of commentators here have suggested that this is too important an issue for a partisan approach. I look forward to your explanation as to why we are wrong and you are right.
Surely a non-partisan approach would mean a thorough condemnation from all party leaders and a pledge to work together to address all the issues?
Instead Miliband is silent on this. It's disgusting and he should be ashamed of himself.
Choosing to delegate is a sign of strength of leadership.It's easier when he has trusted able deputies like Yvette Cooper.
Yes, Ed Milband delegates his comments and press releases unless it's truly important stuff like Tory defections, the Scottish referendum and, um, the death of Richard Attenborough:
Funny how PB Tories are still obsessed by the small town in Sheffield story as Tory MPs contemplating defection to UKIP appears to be somewhat a more serious problem for Dave
Funny how Labour would rather talk about anything else. Guilty feet, they got no rhythm
If he walks into a meeting, there will be a sudden silence and lots of embarrassed glances. Any orders he gives will meet the same fate. He's an empty suit, achieving nothing.
Funny how PB Tories are still obsessed by the small town in Sheffield story as Tory MPs contemplating defection to UKIP appears to be somewhat a more serious problem for Dave
If he walks into a meeting, there will be a sudden silence and lots of embarrassed glances. Any orders he gives will meet the same fate. He's an empty suit, achieving nothing.
If he walks into a meeting, there will be a sudden silence and lots of embarrassed glances. Any orders he gives will meet the same fate. He's an empty suit, achieving nothing.
So it can only be for the money.
He resigned from the Labour Party to protect Ed and 'the party' He's earned his 30 pieces of silver
If he walks into a meeting, there will be a sudden silence and lots of embarrassed glances. Any orders he gives will meet the same fate. He's an empty suit, achieving nothing.
So it can only be for the money.
Stupid idea by coalition to have elected PCCs dont you think?
Funny how PB Tories are still obsessed by the small town in Sheffield story as Tory MPs contemplating defection to UKIP appears to be somewhat a more serious problem for Dave
Don't talk rubbish.
Rotherham is not a part of Sheffield
We have standards in Sheffield.
I am in Football chant mode and refuse to use the R word.
Funny how PB Tories are still obsessed by the small town in Sheffield story as Tory MPs contemplating defection to UKIP appears to be somewhat a more serious problem for Dave
You're surprised the systematic exploitation of 1400 kids and an institutional cover-up is talked about more than a political defection?
This case has really shown how callous some left-wing posters are.
I hope next week's episode remembers to have a coherent plot. Rather liked Capaldi's cantankerous exchanges with Clara.
He's a proper old school Doctor
Daleks tomorrow too
Cant wait I like Capaldis Dr Maybe I am too old.
We need more Slitheen.
Guys to me the word Capaldis will always mean Italian home made ice cream
I consumed Capaldi's ice cream, am trying to remember which chimes their van used. There was an option to have the ice cream covered in monkey's blood - thick raspberry sauce.
I was neutral on the idea but it was always likely to fail when it became a party political issue. You get to choose between a bunch of useless party hacks with a record of failure. But that's democracy, I suppose.
If he walks into a meeting, there will be a sudden silence and lots of embarrassed glances. Any orders he gives will meet the same fate. He's an empty suit, achieving nothing.
So it can only be for the money.
Stupid idea by coalition to have elected PCCs dont you think?
For those wondering up thread, why Asian/Muslim gangs targeted white girls, YA-B has a rather insightful article on the subject. – last two paragraphs most apt and very hard hitting.
Funny how PB Tories are still obsessed by the small town in Sheffield story as Tory MPs contemplating defection to UKIP appears to be somewhat a more serious problem for Dave
Could it be that mass rape is a bit more important than the defection of an MP?
If he walks into a meeting, there will be a sudden silence and lots of embarrassed glances. Any orders he gives will meet the same fate. He's an empty suit, achieving nothing.
So it can only be for the money.
Stupid idea by coalition to have elected PCCs dont you think?
The offences were 1997-2011; so before the era of PCC's.
They came to light and were investigated after councils lost some influence on police authorities.
Funny how PB Tories are still obsessed by the small town in Sheffield story as Tory MPs contemplating defection to UKIP appears to be somewhat a more serious problem for Dave
Tee hee PB Tories concerned about the rape and abuse of 1,400 girls when there's a new political story to talk about.
Fear not, Ed is waiting for PMQ's next Wednesday to call for a judge led public inquiry..
From the above reference:
"How many children are at risk?
A report by the Office of the Children’s Commissioner found that 2,409 children were confirmed as victims of sexual exploitation in gangs and groups in the 14 months between August 2010 to October 2011.
If that sounds low compared to the 1,400 identified in Rotherham alone, remember that this number covers 16 years.
This probably only scratches the surface of the real number of victims, and the children’s commissioner said that at least 16,500 children had been identified as being “at risk of sexual exploitation” during one year."
Such a crime epidemic on this scale needs a co-ordinated approach both at police level and council level, but I am not sure how this could/would be done.
If he walks into a meeting, there will be a sudden silence and lots of embarrassed glances. Any orders he gives will meet the same fate. He's an empty suit, achieving nothing.
So it can only be for the money.
Stupid idea by coalition to have elected PCCs dont you think?
All the crimes currently being investigated occurred under the PCC's predecessor system, which was obviously not fit for purpose.
Would you prefer to go back to police authorities?
In England and Wales, a police authority was a single purpose authority with representatives nominated by the local authority(ies), independent members, and magistrates. Typically, a police authority was made up of seventeen members - nine elected members (who are drawn from the local authority or authorities for the force area, and would be reflective of the political makeup of those authorities). The remaining eight members were called independent members, and were appointed from the local community for fixed terms of four years by the police authority itself. At least three of the police authority's independent members were magistrates. There was no difference in power or responsibility between the different types of member - there are examples of elected, independent and magistrate members chairing police authorities throughout England and Wales.
So they (outside the Met area in England) dominated by political appointees, and their work was essentially invisible to the public.
Funny how PB Tories are still obsessed by the small town in Sheffield story as Tory MPs contemplating defection to UKIP appears to be somewhat a more serious problem for Dave
You're surprised the systematic exploitation of 1400 kids and an institutional cover-up is talked about more than a political defection?
This case has really shown how callous some left-wing posters are.
and how obsessed with racial hatred some right wing posters are?
If he walks into a meeting, there will be a sudden silence and lots of embarrassed glances. Any orders he gives will meet the same fate. He's an empty suit, achieving nothing.
So it can only be for the money.
I expect it is only for the money, and I think he should certainly resign - which is one reason why a robust recall mechanism is essential. If signatures were now being gathered in South Yorkshire for a recall election then he would know the game was up - just as Parliament shouldn't have members such as Eric Joyce or Mike Hancock who are impossible to remove until the next general election.
However, his justification does have some logic to it, as he states that he resigned in 2010 on this issue and has a fresh electoral mandate for sorting it out as a result of the PCC elections. This raises two questions.
One - why on earth did Labour select him to be their PCC candidate?
Two - Is it not dangerous to create a system where people believe they have a democratic mandate in elections where the turnout is only ~15%? Maybe the proposed system for Trade Union ballots should be used for elections more widely, and a person can only be considered elected if they gain more votes than the "stay at home party" - otherwise the seat remains vacant and the election is re-run.
If he walks into a meeting, there will be a sudden silence and lots of embarrassed glances. Any orders he gives will meet the same fate. He's an empty suit, achieving nothing.
So it can only be for the money.
Stupid idea by coalition to have elected PCCs dont you think?
For those wondering up thread, why Asian/Muslim gangs targeted white girls, YA-B has a rather insightful article on the subject. – last two paragraphs most apt and very hard hitting.
I've already praised her on this topic, but, despite having very different views on a range of topics, she deserves serious kudos:
When these cases happen, as an Muslim Asian woman I am warned not to write on them because it encourages racism against us. Black Britons are similarly enraged when some of their bad men are exposed. Well damn such injunctions. Keeping the lid on dreadful crimes committed by Britons of colour only increases the numbers of racists in this country, maybe even turns good people who try hard not to be prejudiced.
If he walks into a meeting, there will be a sudden silence and lots of embarrassed glances. Any orders he gives will meet the same fate. He's an empty suit, achieving nothing.
So it can only be for the money.
Stupid idea by coalition to have elected PCCs dont you think?
All the crimes currently being investigated occurred under the PCC's predecessor system, which was obviously not fit for purpose.
Would you prefer to go back to police authorities?
In England and Wales, a police authority was a single purpose authority with representatives nominated by the local authority(ies), independent members, and magistrates. Typically, a police authority was made up of seventeen members - nine elected members (who are drawn from the local authority or authorities for the force area, and would be reflective of the political makeup of those authorities). The remaining eight members were called independent members, and were appointed from the local community for fixed terms of four years by the police authority itself. At least three of the police authority's independent members were magistrates. There was no difference in power or responsibility between the different types of member - there are examples of elected, independent and magistrate members chairing police authorities throughout England and Wales.
So they (outside the Met area in England) dominated by political appointees, and their work was essentially invisible to the public.
Wheras PCCs candidates are not generally political appointees and are elected by 10% of the electorate and then cannot be forced to resign.
No matter how much PB Tories rant that they should
@Socrates It shows how callous some right wing posters are that they only want to talk about abuse cases where they think they can get political traction. Child abuse seems to have been covered up in several other cases, covering all walks of life and regions. A laser like focus on only those ones that fit our political agendas without viewing them as a whole, does no party or commentator any credit. Yes Rotheram is a scandal, and should be investigated, but it is not a one party or group problem as all the other cases have shown. There is evidence, surprisingly enough, that even Mr.s T and her party whips could turn a blind eye when it suited them, and in the case of the whips, possibly used knowledge of misdeeds to ensure party discipline.
For those wondering up thread, why Asian/Muslim gangs targeted white girls, YA-B has a rather insightful article on the subject. – last two paragraphs most apt and very hard hitting.
I've already praised her on this topic, but, despite having very different views on a range of topics, she deserves serious kudos:
When these cases happen, as an Muslim Asian woman I am warned not to write on them because it encourages racism against us. Black Britons are similarly enraged when some of their bad men are exposed. Well damn such injunctions. Keeping the lid on dreadful crimes committed by Britons of colour only increases the numbers of racists in this country, maybe even turns good people who try hard not to be prejudiced.
The conductors of racial strife are the people in the middle who only listen to one side
Funny how PB Tories are still obsessed by the small town in Sheffield story as Tory MPs contemplating defection to UKIP appears to be somewhat a more serious problem for Dave
Tee hee PB Tories concerned about the rape and abuse of 1,400 girls when there's a new political story to talk about.
Bit embarassing for UKIP. They already have a candidate Roger Lord for Clacton who was only selected 3 weeks ago and has challenged Carswell to take part in a contest.
This government's record on reform of government is one of complete failure,the system of elected PCCs being only one.
IF you mean we still have shrinking rotten labour boroughs like Rotherham, while prosperous tory constituencies boom and that fact is not represented in the voting system, then I guess you are correct.
@Socrates It shows how callous some right wing posters are that they only want to talk about abuse cases where they think they can get political traction. Child abuse seems to have been covered up in several other cases, covering all walks of life and regions. A laser like focus on only those ones that fit our political agendas without viewing them as a whole, does no party or commentator any credit. Yes Rotheram is a scandal, and should be investigated, but it is not a one party or group problem as all the other cases have shown. There is evidence, surprisingly enough, that even Mr.s T and her party whips could turn a blind eye when it suited them, and in the case of the whips, possibly used knowledge of misdeeds to ensure party discipline.
Great post
Cant think it will stop the right wingers ranting for at least another week though.
If he walks into a meeting, there will be a sudden silence and lots of embarrassed glances. Any orders he gives will meet the same fate. He's an empty suit, achieving nothing.
So it can only be for the money.
I expect it is only for the money, and I think he should certainly resign - which is one reason why a robust recall mechanism is essential. If signatures were now being gathered in South Yorkshire for a recall election then he would know the game was up - just as Parliament shouldn't have members such as Eric Joyce or Mike Hancock who are impossible to remove until the next general election.
However, his justification does have some logic to it, as he states that he resigned in 2010 on this issue and has a fresh electoral mandate for sorting it out as a result of the PCC elections. This raises two questions.
One - why on earth did Labour select him to be their PCC candidate?
Two - Is it not dangerous to create a system where people believe they have a democratic mandate in elections where the turnout is only ~15%? Maybe the proposed system for Trade Union ballots should be used for elections more widely, and a person can only be considered elected if they gain more votes than the "stay at home party" - otherwise the seat remains vacant and the election is re-run.
But does that turnout argument apply for MPs as well? Shortly before the PCC election Lucy Powell got elected as an MP on just an 18.2% turnout.
Does she have a democratic mandate, and should she be an MP? Where do you set the limit? If 15% is too low, then is 18%? 30%? 50%?
Of course, this is just an argument for compulsory voting ;-) ...
If he walks into a meeting, there will be a sudden silence and lots of embarrassed glances. Any orders he gives will meet the same fate. He's an empty suit, achieving nothing.
So it can only be for the money.
Stupid idea by coalition to have elected PCCs dont you think?
A catastrophic policy.
All because of 1 rotten (ex)-Labour apple?
No, because of a total lack of mandate for the 40-odd PCCs in the original elections, the derisory turnout in the recent by-election in the West Midlands, the embarrassing PCC here in Kent, Shaun Wright, the bloke suspended in Bedfordshire.
Mr. G, Salmond cannot (unless he's wealthier than I imagined) guarantee deposits up to 85,000 (is that pounds, or euros?).
A central bank can.
The only ways the deposit guarantee can remain is: 1) currency union (pound or euro) 2) a Scottish currency
Why sterlingisation even remains on the table perplexes me. Maybe it's clever bluffing, and if Yes wins it'll be swept away for sound economic reasons, having served its purpose convincing people to vote for independence.
Comments
It's like Silvio Berlusconi complaining that all the attacks on him were just partisan smears from the Communists. You're doing exactly the same thing.
Are you suggesting that Labour Politicians are in league with child abusers?
We need an immediate inquiry into these goings on in our ruling classes.
The possibility of child molesters in government is something that needs looking into urgently.
Labour's vote share has been static or gone up in nearly every by-election of this Parliament. They even put on vote share (just) in Eastleigh when fourth position should have seen them squeezed. If Labour can hold its 2010 vote and take much of the LibDem vote, then they're well-placed to come through the middle of a Con/UKIP split vote and win.
This of course presumes that Labour don't do a Newark and fail to put up a fight.
In Lincoln, Tavener left his party to move to the centre. Carswell has left his party to move to the right. Tavener was able to pick up votes from Conservative, Labour and Liberal. Carswell could face anti-UKIP tactical voting. So I don't think this is another Lincoln. (Of course, it's probably not another Mitcham & Morden, which took place during the Falklands War... although given Russia's de facto invasion of Ukraine, maybe World War III will have broken out by the time the by-election is held.)
Cant wait I like Capaldis Dr Maybe I am too old.
Agreeing a treaty of accession, let alone getting it through 27 Parliaments by March 2016 may be, as Sir Humphrey might say, "ambitious".......and then there's the parliament that you've refused to pay your share of debt to......
And yes, we do.
All the sacred cows need to burn. I just fancy Labour first, given they are the worst of the bunch.
A parliament of daleks was just ridiculous. Do they hold by-elections? Have a dalek Chancellor of the Exchequer? A Lord High Exterminator?
Are you suggesting that political correctness (or racial sensitivity, if you prefer) did not play a part?
Many Labour supporters, to their credit, do admit this. And it did no favours to the innocent (by far the majority) in the Pakistan community who are now being viewed with suspicion.
You can't complain if you "own" PC. You gain in the same way, because you "own" the NHS.
"By building an apparent consensus of voices "bravely" speaking out in the face of accusations of racism, it becomes that much harder for a figure from within the Muslim community to offer a more nuanced perspective or indeed state that these allegations are simply not true. The inevitable and distorting consequence of framing the debate around a "conspiracy of silence" is that it effectively shuts down or taints as mealy-mouthed any criticism.
The efforts of the Times to stand up this investigation are certainly considerable: selectively quoting or misquoting some groups, and inventing a category of "on-street grooming" that does not exist in law and was not recognised by any of the agencies I spoke to. It is also worth asking how responsible it is to provide ammunition to the violent racist extremists already active in these areas on such flawed evidence."
What an appalling woman.
Miliband has tweeted about Carswell's defection. He has not about the 1,400 victims.
https://twitter.com/Ed_Miliband
That was my initial thought too. The raw numbers would appear to give Labour a very good chance.
I don't think the political dynamics do though. And as you say, there's every chance they'll just put their feet up and get then popcorn in rather than having a go. I'd be tempted at a bit longer than 10/1 mind.
"Local Labour politicians actively tried to interfere with the inquiry in Rotherham"
Evidence went missing, and files were lost? Perhaps we could get the brother/sister of some of those involved to chair an investigation into the matter, and if anyone objects, we can sweep it under the carpet till a better time.
Perhaps Dave could give pointers on how to do it?
Which is odd, as the first episodes of a Doctor in New Who have been generally fab.
I voted UKIP in the euros. There's very nearly a 0% chance of me doing so at the General Election.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darien_scheme
Yes, it does need investigation, but there seems to be a lack of suitable people who can do it.
We already have an investigation "pending" on a possibly related matter.
Ed Miliband @Ed_Miliband · Aug 25
Alistair Darling showed once again tonight that Alex Salmond has absolutely no answers on key questions around independence. #BetterTogether
Ed Miliband @Ed_Miliband · Aug 25
The death of Richard Attenborough is a sad day for the film world and the Labour movement. He and his work will be remembered.
https://twitter.com/Ed_Miliband
Maybe someone has set up a spoof account.
29/08/2014 10:42
Ukip treasurer Stuart wheeler has told @SkyNews there are two other Conservative MPs considering defection to UKIP. Interview coming up..
As for failue to pay the debt, (a) there is no such thing now the Treasury has spoken, and (b) it would only happen if EWNI had welshed in the first place.
Out of all our highly paid judges, we only had one suitable to chair an inquiry into our politicians? It is unfortunate that her relationship to one of the people who may or may not have been involved seems to have torpedoed it, and that there is no other replacement available.
To say UKIP have an incumbent MP is misleading. He was elected as a Tory.
He thought the Beeb were filming a documentary.
Yep, it's a GB is fat and evil comment.
http://notesfromnorthbritain.wordpress.com/2014/08/29/scotland-and-the-eu/
I see you adopt the Swinney approach that the other side won't mind on the debt....good luck with that! When has rUK ever been asked if it wanted a currency union?
Doesn't say much for Wheelers dining company skills
I'm trying to look at it objectively. My initial thought was 1/4 ukip was the right price. Would have backed all I could at 4/6 if paddy let me
Someone is trying to have a grand at 1.3 on betfair, so if you don't fancy it lay away!
Clacton isn't a Tory stronghold, Carswell was a popular mp, Goodwin and Ford have it as #1 in ukip friendly seats,
Prices seem about right to me
I still can't quite get over how blase Denis MacShane was about it and even seemed perversely proud that his liberal Left credentials wouldn't allow him to acknowledge what was going on his in OWN constituency.
Really don't know what to make of the Clacton episode yesterday. I suppose strategically as a Tory I should either want the By-election Tory candidate to beat Douglas Carswell but maybe the best thing is for him to split the vote and temporarily let Labour snatch the seat. That would make it clear Vote Kipper Get Ed the Bland one in No 10.
Well 3 weeks from now we will know the result of the IndyRef thank goodness.
'My God - it's even worse than I thought:
http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-grooming-gangs/18739?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Fear not, Ed is waiting for PMQ's next Wednesday to call for a judge led public inquiry..
I've just received a letter from the council where I rented a property about 10 years ago. Apparently the property was wrongly banded and I am due a refund! Nice, however I phoned the council and asked about interest on the 'loan' I've effectively given the council for 10 years and was told that interest is not payable and that there is legislation to that effect.
Where else is there that enshrines in law that you have to loan money interest free for 10 years?
If Ed won't call for an inquiry, then someone with a higher authority should....
Now, who could that be I wonder?
The Rotherham report has been in the public domain for several days now. Plenty of time for Miliband to read the whole thing and give a considered response.
And isaid they were more likely to vote ukip with Carswell as the candidate... If you disagree there is a 1/100 shot that can be backed at 4/1 with Ladbrokes
Guilty feet, they got no rhythm
If he walks into a meeting, there will be a sudden silence and lots of embarrassed glances. Any orders he gives will meet the same fate. He's an empty suit, achieving nothing.
So it can only be for the money.
I had assumed that it might be our elected government, but you might be right.
Stuart Wheeler has more power and respect than Cameron?
Rotherham is not a part of Sheffield
We have standards in Sheffield.
This case has really shown how callous some left-wing posters are.
I was neutral on the idea but it was always likely to fail when it became a party political issue. You get to choose between a bunch of useless party hacks with a record of failure. But that's democracy, I suppose.
All credit to YAB,for speaking out.
http://alibhai-brown.com/asian-grooming-gangs/
They came to light and were investigated after councils lost some influence on police authorities.
Just sayin...
"How many children are at risk?
A report by the Office of the Children’s Commissioner found that 2,409 children were confirmed as victims of sexual exploitation in gangs and groups in the 14 months between August 2010 to October 2011.
If that sounds low compared to the 1,400 identified in Rotherham alone, remember that this number covers 16 years.
This probably only scratches the surface of the real number of victims, and the children’s commissioner said that at least 16,500 children had been identified as being “at risk of sexual exploitation” during one year."
Such a crime epidemic on this scale needs a co-ordinated approach both at police level and council level, but I am not sure how this could/would be done.
Would you prefer to go back to police authorities? So they (outside the Met area in England) dominated by political appointees, and their work was essentially invisible to the public.
However, his justification does have some logic to it, as he states that he resigned in 2010 on this issue and has a fresh electoral mandate for sorting it out as a result of the PCC elections. This raises two questions.
One - why on earth did Labour select him to be their PCC candidate?
Two - Is it not dangerous to create a system where people believe they have a democratic mandate in elections where the turnout is only ~15%? Maybe the proposed system for Trade Union ballots should be used for elections more widely, and a person can only be considered elected if they gain more votes than the "stay at home party" - otherwise the seat remains vacant and the election is re-run.
When these cases happen, as an Muslim Asian woman I am warned not to write on them because it encourages racism against us. Black Britons are similarly enraged when some of their bad men are exposed. Well damn such injunctions. Keeping the lid on dreadful crimes committed by Britons of colour only increases the numbers of racists in this country, maybe even turns good people who try hard not to be prejudiced.
George Osborne on Carswells defection
You guessed it
"Regrettable and counter productive"
They're all just reading from the script, even the top dogs!
Wheras PCCs candidates are not generally political appointees and are elected by 10% of the electorate and then cannot be forced to resign.
No matter how much PB Tories rant that they should
Seems not even Obama is prepared to go along with Kiev's claim of yet another Russian invasion even if the MSM were.
It shows how callous some right wing posters are that they only want to talk about abuse cases where they think they can get political traction.
Child abuse seems to have been covered up in several other cases, covering all walks of life and regions.
A laser like focus on only those ones that fit our political agendas without viewing them as a whole, does no party or commentator any credit.
Yes Rotheram is a scandal, and should be investigated, but it is not a one party or group problem as all the other cases have shown.
There is evidence, surprisingly enough, that even Mr.s T and her party whips could turn a blind eye when it suited them, and in the case of the whips, possibly used knowledge of misdeeds to ensure party discipline.
IF you mean we still have shrinking rotten labour boroughs like Rotherham, while prosperous tory constituencies boom and that fact is not represented in the voting system, then I guess you are correct.
What odds would the PB commentariat give me?
Cant think it will stop the right wingers ranting for at least another week though.
Does she have a democratic mandate, and should she be an MP? Where do you set the limit? If 15% is too low, then is 18%? 30%? 50%?
Of course, this is just an argument for compulsory voting ;-) ...
A typically useless and wasteful Tory idea.