The possibility of nine Tory-defence by elections is making me reach for the smelling salts.
Were this to prove to be the case Cameron, or probably a new leader, would need to cobble together a deal with UKIP in double quick time. Otherwise the Tories might as well concede next year's GE in advance.
But surely LAB defectors to UKIP less likely to vote UKIP in this scenario
Therefore Cameron cant win either way
Depends on the deal. Local electoral pacts can be very successful - say Tories stand down in Plymouth Moor View in return for UKIP standing down in Plymouth Sutton.
How many more Tory MP defections being discussed on Newsnight.
Between one more to eight more apparently
If, and it's a monumentally massive if, they get 7 or more defections then (outside all the other ructions) it'll be the first time since 1929 (or rather it happened at the UK 1929 GE but continued to 1931) that no party has more than 300 seats.
Now that is a fact worthy of the nerdiest pub quiz on the planet. :')
I actually feel a long thread coming on. Possibly long enough to break into two or three.
I has a longish stint as Guest Editor coming up in about 3 weeks time.
Just saying....
Excellent.
Best brush up on my Historical knowledge.
Or spend 3 weeks in Cineworld!!!
I've written and published a few threads written at Cineworld Sheffield
Bugger
Apparently Mrs BJ reckons we should go on holiday late September!!
The possibility of nine Tory-defence by elections is making me reach for the smelling salts.
Were this to prove to be the case Cameron, or probably a new leader, would need to cobble together a deal with UKIP in double quick time. Otherwise the Tories might as well concede next year's GE in advance.
But surely LAB defectors to UKIP less likely to vote UKIP in this scenario
Therefore Cameron cant win either way
Depends on the deal. Local electoral pacts can be very successful - say Tories stand down in Plymouth Moor View in return for UKIP standing down in Plymouth Sutton.
Quite. The realisation of MAD will force a pact at some level.
"Posh students and academics. Liberal, bit Righty and loyal."
Maybe, Hugh. But that would have been fairly constant since last time, I suppose.
When the evening started, everybody was saying that it "was Labour´s for the taking." Instead, the Lib Dems have safely seen off the challenge. It seems to me that in Newscastle, and in some other places as well, the Lib Dems are not just lying down and waiting to be carved up.
A good result for the LDs, I am glad to be wrong in my prediction.
The possibility of nine Tory-defence by elections is making me reach for the smelling salts.
Were this to prove to be the case Cameron, or probably a new leader, would need to cobble together a deal with UKIP in double quick time. Otherwise the Tories might as well concede next year's GE in advance.
But surely LAB defectors to UKIP less likely to vote UKIP in this scenario
Therefore Cameron cant win either way
Depends on the deal. Local electoral pacts can be very successful - say Tories stand down in Plymouth Moor View in return for UKIP standing down in Plymouth Sutton.
I think they might soft pedal, but very much doubt actually standing down.
Word is speading in Clacton as I said earlier: Kevin Maguire @Kevin_Maguire 1h Word in Clacton is Con councillors are poised to follow Douglas Carswell and defect to Ukip. Purple is the new Blue
Make up of Tendring DC
Conservative (33 members) Labour (9 members) Independent (6 members) Tendring First (6 members) Holland-on-Sea Residents Group (3 members) Liberal-Democrat (2 members) Other (1 member)
Is Tendring about to become the first UKIP local authority (I doubt if it will be the last)?
It's worth bearing in mind that since the story has come out, Miliband has tweeted about Scotland, Carswell and Gaza, but zip about Rotherham.
He probably think it's no big deal.
From all accounts Ed Miliband is a decent individual. I'm sure he's horrified by this. But he also knows just how deeply dependent Labour are on the tribal Pakistani vote, and knows that a sizable chunk of them will resent a Jew criticising Muslims.
Nice guy or not, he is completely without a spine.
Why would Ed Miliband inevitably have to "criticise Muslims" if he were to comment on Rotherham?
Interesting you see this all through the prism of race, Socrates.
SD Yes, I do get Scotland, a beautiful country from the Highlands to Edinburgh, filled in the main with educated and decent people, but also a few with planet sized chips on their shoulders who seem to have congregated in the Yes campaign in this referendum
It's worth bearing in mind that since the story has come out, Miliband has tweeted about Scotland, Carswell and Gaza, but zip about Rotherham.
He probably think it's no big deal.
From all accounts Ed Miliband is a decent individual. I'm sure he's horrified by this. But he also knows just how deeply dependent Labour are on the tribal Pakistani vote, and knows that a sizable chunk of them will resent a Jew criticising Muslims.
Nice guy or not, he is completely without a spine.
Let's just see. Ed isn't the impulsive sort. He may just be taking his time. And Labour's reliance on the Pakistani vote is overplayed.
SD Well we shall see on referendum night whether I get it or not, but 1st post debates poll shows No still clearly ahead with just over a fortnight to go, and still only 1 poll the entire campaign showed Yes ahead, and that was last year
It's worth bearing in mind that since the story has come out, Miliband has tweeted about Scotland, Carswell and Gaza, but zip about Rotherham.
He probably think it's no big deal.
From all accounts Ed Miliband is a decent individual. I'm sure he's horrified by this. But he also knows just how deeply dependent Labour are on the tribal Pakistani vote, and knows that a sizable chunk of them will resent a Jew criticising Muslims.
Nice guy or not, he is completely without a spine.
Why would Ed Miliband inevitably have to "criticise Muslims" if he were to comment on Rotherham?
Interesting you see this all through the prism of race, Socrates.
Platos back, why not give her some stick about cats?
Word is speading in Clacton as I said earlier: Kevin Maguire @Kevin_Maguire 1h Word in Clacton is Con councillors are poised to follow Douglas Carswell and defect to Ukip. Purple is the new Blue
Make up of Tendring DC
Conservative (33 members) Labour (9 members) Independent (6 members) Tendring First (6 members) Holland-on-Sea Residents Group (3 members) Liberal-Democrat (2 members) Other (1 member)
Is Tendring about to become the first UKIP local authority (I doubt if it will be the last)?
I'd be surprised if the whole block defected and if they don't wouldn't it be more likely to go into a rather messy NOC?
How many more Tory MP defections being discussed on Newsnight.
Between one more to eight more apparently
If, and it's a monumentally massive if, they get 7 or more defections then (outside all the other ructions) it'll be the first time since 1929 (or rather it happened at the UK 1929 GE but continued to 1931) that no party has more than 300 seats.
Now that is a fact worthy of the nerdiest pub quiz on the planet. :')
I actually feel a long thread coming on. Possibly long enough to break into two or three.
I has a longish stint as Guest Editor coming up in about 3 weeks time.
Just saying....
Abba, Abba, Abba!
P.S. Also Blondie, though I realise that both may be a bit before your time.
It's worth bearing in mind that since the story has come out, Miliband has tweeted about Scotland, Carswell and Gaza, but zip about Rotherham.
He probably think it's no big deal.
From all accounts Ed Miliband is a decent individual. I'm sure he's horrified by this. But he also knows just how deeply dependent Labour are on the tribal Pakistani vote, and knows that a sizable chunk of them will resent a Jew criticising Muslims.
Nice guy or not, he is completely without a spine.
Why would Ed Miliband inevitably have to "criticise Muslims" if he were to comment on Rotherham?
Interesting you see this all through the prism of race, Socrates.
Platos back, why not give her some stick about cats?
Plato's a parody Tory poster isn't she, like Louise Mensch only with less income from Murdoch?
No chance on Zac btw, surely? More likely to join some freaky orange-blue grouping with David Laws.
Hilarious for all those people in Donbass who have had their homes destroyed and loved ones killed. NATO should be abolished, they can go and find productive jobs.
Louise M is clearly bored - she's retweeting the whole back catalogue of Carswell's anti UKIP, pull together for the blues tweeting...
It actually is quite effective mind you without anyone else sticking the knife in, it's his own words.
I think she has real potential, she's just a bit unfocused (unsurprisingly, given she is not an MP anymore, and can comment freely upon whatever takes her fancy), which can lead to trouble and silliness.
It's worth bearing in mind that since the story has come out, Miliband has tweeted about Scotland, Carswell and Gaza, but zip about Rotherham.
He probably think it's no big deal.
From all accounts Ed Miliband is a decent individual. I'm sure he's horrified by this. But he also knows just how deeply dependent Labour are on the tribal Pakistani vote, and knows that a sizable chunk of them will resent a Jew criticising Muslims.
Nice guy or not, he is completely without a spine.
Why would Ed Miliband inevitably have to "criticise Muslims" if he were to comment on Rotherham?
Interesting you see this all through the prism of race, Socrates.
Platos back, why not give her some stick about cats?
Plato's a parody Tory poster isn't she, like Louise Mensch only with less income from Murdoch?
No chance on Zac btw, surely? More likely to join some freaky orange-blue grouping with David Laws.
I think he'd like to but wouldn't win his seat as a kipper
Finkelstein on newsnight might have a point... Carswell has set a precedent by having a by election, one that fellow ukip flirt ers. May not feel they could live up to
Establishment complacency over Scotland was only part of it though, surely. Indecision through fear that anything they did would actually make things worse (which was the charge of Yes whenever they did) seems to have played a part.
When the subject comes up elsewhere - it's boredom, as you say. When it's not boredom its thinly concealed 'glad to see the back of them, whingers' or a bit of nostalgia.
The English really aren't interested in Salmond's swaggering and just wish he'd go away.
I'm rather surprised by this - but then again, I'm sick of it too and the constant victim-card playing. I'm a Unionist, but TBH - I've had enough.
"He is the son of a stockbroker who went to Eton and married up."
No Englishman (since Harold Godwinson at Hastings in 1066), has ever presided over the loss of a third of the country's physical size.
Cameron will quit, if he loses the Union. The emotional pressure on him will be intolerable.
I really don't think pb-ers have processed how epochal this will be, if Scotland secedes.
A surprising number of people seem to not be concerned in the slightest, which baffles me a little. Even if one is an English person who firmly supports Scottish Independence, or otherwise has no concern for the current constitutional settlement or doesn't care which way they vote, it's still hugely significant if Yes wins. I wish it weren't; I wouldn't get so worked up then.
The worst example of complacency i recall was Sands End in 2002. I did mutual aid, and the local Conservatives thought they'd won by 2 pm, and threw a party. By 5 pm, they were completely pissed, and ridiculed my idea that we should be door-knocking. They lost by 7 votes.
My worst example of finding "helpers" not bothering was standing as Euro-candidate for Lab in 1995 in E Sussex & S Kent. For election day, Hastings Labour Party called a branch meeting, and spent the evening debating any other business etc. When I heard they'd called it and complained, they were genuinely bemused - "well, we aren't going to win this, so why bother?" Of course we weren't going to win, but elections are there to be fought, dammit...
The Indyref poll looks like a normal post-debate bounce - too close for comfort, but not really menacing. The YouGov is more interesting for its lack of serious movement. There certainly isn't any doubt that UKIP is having an optimal week, and if they don't see some significant progress in the polls soon they'll be pretty disappointed.
It's worth bearing in mind that since the story has come out, Miliband has tweeted about Scotland, Carswell and Gaza, but zip about Rotherham.
He probably think it's no big deal.
From all accounts Ed Miliband is a decent individual. I'm sure he's horrified by this. But he also knows just how deeply dependent Labour are on the tribal Pakistani vote, and knows that a sizable chunk of them will resent a Jew criticising Muslims.
Nice guy or not, he is completely without a spine.
Let's just see. Ed isn't the impulsive sort. He may just be taking his time. And Labour's reliance on the Pakistani vote is overplayed.
Not impulsive? He's usually first off the blocks, clamouring for an enquiry into something or other.
The WWC on who's vote he's relying are a bit quicker in the thinking stakes, and will have worked out something's up and why, soon enough.
Complacency is Hugh making comments about Miliband doing the Timmy-Tip Toes into No 10.
Louise M is clearly bored - she's retweeting the whole back catalogue of Carswell's anti UKIP, pull together for the blues tweeting...
It actually is quite effective mind you without anyone else sticking the knife in, it's his own words.
There is no small irony in someone who resigned her seat for purely personal reasons criticising someone for resigning his seat and party on matters of principle and policy but there again she was one of Cameron's A-Listers
SD Yes, I do get Scotland, a beautiful country from the Highlands to Edinburgh, filled in the main with educated and decent people, but also a few with planet sized chips on their shoulders who seem to have congregated in the Yes campaign in this referendum
I think I saw a poll earlier that had Yes ahead in Glasgow. I'd always assumed in days gone by that Nationalists were concentrated in the Highlands away from the central belt. Glasgow did at one time have the lowest life expectancy in the UK. It's yet more of the left behind voters who are causing Labour a headache in many of their English heartlands. There may be less moaning about immigration (Scotland isn't generally over-crowded) but the sense of disillusionment with elites, both Tory and New Labour is obvious. Ed Miiband might want to re-engage them but he doesn't have Obama's charisma.
It's worth bearing in mind that since the story has come out, Miliband has tweeted about Scotland, Carswell and Gaza, but zip about Rotherham.
He probably think it's no big deal.
From all accounts Ed Miliband is a decent individual. I'm sure he's horrified by this. But he also knows just how deeply dependent Labour are on the tribal Pakistani vote, and knows that a sizable chunk of them will resent a Jew criticising Muslims.
Nice guy or not, he is completely without a spine.
Why would Ed Miliband inevitably have to "criticise Muslims" if he were to comment on Rotherham?
Interesting you see this all through the prism of race, Socrates.
Platos back, why not give her some stick about cats?
Plato's a parody Tory poster isn't she, like Louise Mensch only with less income from Murdoch?
No chance on Zac btw, surely? More likely to join some freaky orange-blue grouping with David Laws.
I think he'd like to but wouldn't win his seat as a kipper
Finkelstein on newsnight might have a point... Carswell has set a precedent by having a by election, one that fellow ukip flirt ers. May not feel they could live up to
Did you ever watch Reggie perrin?
He just doesn't strike me as Kippy.
Aren't you lot climate science deniers for a start? And where do you stand on gay marriage again?
Being English, I do not have a vote, so I cannot get too worked up, though I would like the union to remain. Ultimately, it was the Scots who voted to join the Union in 1707, it is up to them whether they stay, it now looks like they will bar a dramatic, unforeseen development, but we shall see
Say UKIP win several seats and, perhaps with DUP held or something, are able to be the final numbers the Tories need for a majority (all very implausible I know) - would we see a LD style exodus from the former Labour or disaffected Ukippers who would see doing a deal with Cameron and company as a betrayal?
When the subject comes up elsewhere - it's boredom, as you say. When it's not boredom its thinly concealed 'glad to see the back of them, whingers' or a bit of nostalgia.
The English really aren't interested in Salmond's swaggering and just wish he'd go away.
I'm rather surprised by this - but then again, I'm sick of it too and the constant victim-card playing. I'm a Unionist, but TBH - I've had enough.
"He is the son of a stockbroker who went to Eton and married up."
No Englishman (since Harold Godwinson at Hastings in 1066), has ever presided over the loss of a third of the country's physical size.
Cameron will quit, if he loses the Union. The emotional pressure on him will be intolerable.
I really don't think pb-ers have processed how epochal this will be, if Scotland secedes.
A surprising number of people seem to not be concerned in the slightest, which baffles me a little. Even if one is an English person who firmly supports Scottish Independence, or otherwise has no concern for the current constitutional settlement or doesn't care which way they vote, it's still hugely significant if Yes wins. I wish it weren't; I wouldn't get so worked up then.
Thanks for those insightful dispatches from the front line.
The worst example of complacency i recall was Sands End in 2002. I did mutual aid, and the local Conservatives thought they'd won by 2 pm, and threw a party. By 5 pm, they were completely pissed, and ridiculed my idea that we should be door-knocking. They lost by 7 votes.
My worst example of finding "helpers" not bothering was standing as Euro-candidate for Lab in 1995 in E Sussex & S Kent. For election day, Hastings Labour Party called a branch meeting, and spent the evening debating any other business etc. When I heard they'd called it and complained, they were genuinely bemused - "well, we aren't going to win this, so why bother?" Of course we weren't going to win, but elections are there to be fought, dammit...
The Indyref poll looks like a normal post-debate bounce - too close for comfort, but not really menacing. The YouGov is more interesting for its lack of serious movement. There certainly isn't any doubt that UKIP is having an optimal week, and if they don't see some significant progress in the polls soon they'll be pretty disappointed.
I was once helping to run a council by-election campaign, on election day one of our candidates invited a friend over to his house and tried to play matchmaker by setting him up with the election agent/campaign manager.
It's worth bearing in mind that since the story has come out, Miliband has tweeted about Scotland, Carswell and Gaza, but zip about Rotherham.
He probably think it's no big deal.
From all accounts Ed Miliband is a decent individual. I'm sure he's horrified by this. But he also knows just how deeply dependent Labour are on the tribal Pakistani vote, and knows that a sizable chunk of them will resent a Jew criticising Muslims.
Nice guy or not, he is completely without a spine.
Why would Ed Miliband inevitably have to "criticise Muslims" if he were to comment on Rotherham?
Interesting you see this all through the prism of race, Socrates.
Platos back, why not give her some stick about cats?
Plato's a parody Tory poster isn't she, like Louise Mensch only with less income from Murdoch?
No chance on Zac btw, surely? More likely to join some freaky orange-blue grouping with David Laws.
I think he'd like to but wouldn't win his seat as a kipper
Finkelstein on newsnight might have a point... Carswell has set a precedent by having a by election, one that fellow ukip flirt ers. May not feel they could live up to
Did you ever watch Reggie perrin?
He just doesn't strike me as Kippy.
Aren't you lot climate science deniers for a start? And where do you stand on gay marriage again?
I'm not qualified to comment on climate change, I'd be guessing
Personally on that and gay marriage I don't care much but just dislike the strident tone of the people who think it's their wáy or no way, same with atheists which I also used to be
I liked Reggie perrin when he came back as someone else and everyone pretended they were talking to a stranger. Even though they all knew it was Reggie!
When the subject comes up elsewhere - it's boredom, as you say. When it's not boredom its thinly concealed 'glad to see the back of them, whingers' or a bit of nostalgia.
The English really aren't interested in Salmond's swaggering and just wish he'd go away.
I'm rather surprised by this - but then again, I'm sick of it too and the constant victim-card playing. I'm a Unionist, but TBH - I've had enough.
"He is the son of a stockbroker who went to Eton and married up."
No Englishman (since Harold Godwinson at Hastings in 1066), has ever presided over the loss of a third of the country's physical size.
Cameron will quit, if he loses the Union. The emotional pressure on him will be intolerable.
I really don't think pb-ers have processed how epochal this will be, if Scotland secedes.
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I try to take the matter in shifts, as I cannot keep it going otherwise - hence one reason why I think Scotland will go independent, if not now then not long after. Unionists in the end will, in significant enough numbers, get worn out from constantly having to defend the union, hearing how much so many people either despise, disdain or just don't care about it. It's dispiriting, exhausting, with the end goal just being maintaining a status quo which, while we like it, vast numbers will never be satisfied with and so it will be endlessly challenged. Unionists don't appear to able to sustain it for the long haul with the same intensity, and FederalUK supporters have yet to catch the fire in the same way as the Indy crowd.
About the Lady Schloss thing? They picked her very quickly as being the best.....but you would have thought they would have compared her against a shortlist of possibilities? Who was the one below her on the list?
When the subject comes up elsewhere - it's boredom, as you say. When it's not boredom its thinly concealed 'glad to see the back of them, whingers' or a bit of nostalgia.
The English really aren't interested in Salmond's swaggering and just wish he'd go away.
I'm rather surprised by this - but then again, I'm sick of it too and the constant victim-card playing. I'm a Unionist, but TBH - I've had enough.
"He is the son of a stockbroker who went to Eton and married up."
No Englishman (since Harold Godwinson at Hastings in 1066), has ever presided over the loss of a third of the country's physical size.
Cameron will quit, if he loses the Union. The emotional pressure on him will be intolerable.
I really don't think pb-ers have processed how epochal this will be, if Scotland secedes.
A
I try to take the matter in shifts, as I cannot keep it going otherwise - hence one reason why I think Scotland will go independent, if not now then not long after. Unionists in the end will, in significant enough numbers, get worn out from constantly having to defend the union, hearing how much so many people either despise, disdain or just don't care about it. It's dispiriting, exhausting, with the end goal just being maintaining a status quo which, while we like it, vast numbers will never be satisfied with and so it will be endlessly challenged. Unionists don't appear to able to sustain it for the long haul with the same intensity, and FederalUK supporters have yet to catch the fire in the same way as the Indy crowd.
Natural in a way. Whadda we want, no change it's ok as it is, whenda we wannit, for the forseeable future.
There will no doubt be constitutional change after this though. As SeanT said earlier, David Cameron messed up big time.
Say UKIP win several seats and, perhaps with DUP held or something, are able to be the final numbers the Tories need for a majority (all very implausible I know) - would we see a LD style exodus from the former Labour or disaffected Ukippers who would see doing a deal with Cameron and company as a betrayal?
I don't think UKIP would enter into a formal pact (supply & confidence perhaps) and I'm not sure that the PCP who have made it very clear to Cameron that they want the final say on accepting future Coalitions and relationships and so forth would agree to a formal pact with UKIP or vice versa
Furthermore, I don't see the same sort of knee-jerk reaction from Kipper voters though either. Their reaction would very much depend on what the Tories agree to do in return for the S&C arrangement?
FrankBooth The polls seem to suggest the areas with consistent Yes leads are Mid Scotland and Fife and Glasgow, even if No win I would expect both those areas to vote Yes
I read in a book review the other day that 99% of ordinary Scots were against joining the Union in 1707 and it only happened because the Scottish aristocracy were bribed into it.
'Firstly today, our thoughts should be with the victims'. (Ed M on the day Andy Coulson was banged up.) Thousands of police hours. Multimillion pound public inquiry, poor old Hugh Grant and luvvies unlimited.
1400 children sexually exploited in Rotherham by gangs of ahem, (Labour target voters?) 'Silence in the air and tumbleweed clogging up the streets around Primrose Hill.'
Vote Labour, get cnuts. Hypocritical wealthy cnuts at that.
I read in a book review the other day that 99% of ordinary Scots were against joining the Union in 1707 and it only happened because the Scottish aristocracy were bribed into it.
I read in a book review the other day that 99% of ordinary Scots were against joining the Union in 1707 and it only happened because the Scottish aristocracy were bribed into it.
I am not sure that polling methodology was as well developed in 1707...
Let's just see. Ed isn't the impulsive sort. He may just be taking his time. And Labour's reliance on the Pakistani vote is overplayed.
What if as well as the main grooming aspect there was another part where local businessmen paid for these girls to service their houses full of illegal workers to stop them getting aggressive with each other. Some of these local businessmen might be quite substantial - community leaders even - and might appear in photographs shaking hands with all sorts of familiar faces and handing over party donations.
So it's not just the reliance - significant but over played as you say - it's the form that reliance took.
Patrick o Flynn on newsnight seemed to be saying there were plenty more defectors coming by his refusal to talk about it
Unless it was a double bluff!
Seemed to me he was saying there were people considering but he didn't believe they'd take the risk until it was clearer which way the tide was flowing - hence Carswell being a big deal.
(On that swing Ed Miliband would be feeling VERY nervous)
Nothing to do with Rotherham at all. What Harry omitted to mention in his preview is over 40% of the electorate in the Ward are students from both Newcastle and Northumbria Universities who are yet to return for the new academic year, thereby skewing the traditional composition of the electorate.
Excellent pre-poll analysis, now let's see the reaction to the result: the Lib Dems not only "hold on" but a huge poistive swing means ...................... ?
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Apparently Mrs BJ reckons we should go on holiday late September!!
Not many kippers in that Northern city either...
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jameskirkup/100151721/pmqs-david-cameron-is-nasty-to-douglas-carswell/
Interesting you see this all through the prism of race, Socrates.
Unionist complacency has always been one of our ace cards. It is the gift that just keeps on giving and giving and giving.
Mr Dickson, where are you?
Are you in Scotland campaigning for a yes vote? (And voting I assume?)
Or in Sweden campaigning for, and voting for, the Moderates for the upcoming GE here?
Surely you can't do, (or vote in), both?
Ukip 100/1 Richmond Pk?
If zac defected I reckon it's still double figures... Prob why he hasn't!
I rather like her.
P.S. Also Blondie, though I realise that both may be a bit before your time.
No chance on Zac btw, surely? More likely to join some freaky orange-blue grouping with David Laws.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfMzK7QwfrU
Finkelstein on newsnight might have a point... Carswell has set a precedent by having a by election, one that fellow ukip flirt ers. May not feel they could live up to
Did you ever watch Reggie perrin?
The English really aren't interested in Salmond's swaggering and just wish he'd go away.
I'm rather surprised by this - but then again, I'm sick of it too and the constant victim-card playing. I'm a Unionist, but TBH - I've had enough.
The Indyref poll looks like a normal post-debate bounce - too close for comfort, but not really menacing. The YouGov is more interesting for its lack of serious movement. There certainly isn't any doubt that UKIP is having an optimal week, and if they don't see some significant progress in the polls soon they'll be pretty disappointed.
The WWC on who's vote he's relying are a bit quicker in the thinking stakes, and will have worked out something's up and why, soon enough.
Complacency is Hugh making comments about Miliband doing the Timmy-Tip Toes into No 10.
Aren't you lot climate science deniers for a start? And where do you stand on gay marriage again?
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Why would Ed Miliband inevitably have to "criticise Muslims" if he were to comment on Rotherham?'
Any idea why Rotherham is the only issue in this parliament that Ed has not called for a public inquiry?
Embarrassed or just spineless?
Has Dave fixed a judge for the inquiry he "urgently" wanted?
Edit:- should of course be picked a judge, slip of the tongue
Personally on that and gay marriage I don't care much but just dislike the strident tone of the people who think it's their wáy or no way, same with atheists which I also used to be
I liked Reggie perrin when he came back as someone else and everyone pretended they were talking to a stranger. Even though they all knew it was Reggie!
Who was the one below her on the list?
Unless it was a double bluff!
There will no doubt be constitutional change after this though. As SeanT said earlier, David Cameron messed up big time.
First fallout over Rotherham
(On that swing Ed Miliband would be feeling VERY nervous)
Furthermore, I don't see the same sort of knee-jerk reaction from Kipper voters though either. Their reaction would very much depend on what the Tories agree to do in return for the S&C arrangement?
'Has Dave fixed a judge for the inquiry he "urgently" wanted?
Edit:- should of course be picked a judge, slip of the tongue'
Still doesn't explain why Ed has nothing to say about 1,400 child abuse cases in Rotherham.
1400 children sexually exploited in Rotherham by gangs of ahem, (Labour target voters?)
'Silence in the air and tumbleweed clogging up the streets around Primrose Hill.'
Vote Labour, get cnuts. Hypocritical wealthy cnuts at that.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2133233/The-strange-feud-David-Cameron-Douglas-Carswell.html
What if as well as the main grooming aspect there was another part where local businessmen paid for these girls to service their houses full of illegal workers to stop them getting aggressive with each other. Some of these local businessmen might be quite substantial - community leaders even - and might appear in photographs shaking hands with all sorts of familiar faces and handing over party donations.
So it's not just the reliance - significant but over played as you say - it's the form that reliance took.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2741039/Blackout-alert-Offices-factories-undergo-1970s-style-electricity-rationing-winter-stop-households-plunged-darkness.html
It would be ironic if an ultra cold snap brought this matter to a head, and helped to bring down the coalition with it over the winter!