Kiev threatening to block gas transhipments through Ukraine next week. Cutting their own throats and bringing Europe down with them. Time for leadership in Europe, enough is enough, put the neo cons in Washington and their chums in Kiev back in their place. The EU economy is in enough trouble already and winter is on its way.
Ukraine itself is in collapse now, no money, tax rises, no gas, conscription introduced with the East still in rebel hands.
That Game of Thrones quote "Winter is coming" is going to be all the rage.
At the rate things are going, we will need Israel to fight ISIS.
A few threads back I mused that we would probably end up fighting the Caliphate and it looks as if this will happen sooner rather than later.
Max PB is right that Islamic extremism is the biggest threat the world faces, not just in the Middle East but within our own societies and we need to deal with it both there and here. I hope - but rather fear not - that the politicians have the guts to do what it takes but judging by the rush to appeasement of those who threaten violence by the likes of Warsi and Milliband and Clegg I'm not hopeful.
Delighted to learn the Yanks have bombed an ISIS crowd back to the stone age where they belong. Special forces should be sent in to wipe ISIS out.
So far they've said they're only going to bomb Isis forces when they threaten Erbil or Baghdad (where the US has regional command posts) and air dropping supplies elsewhere like the bods on the mountains.
They don't want to damage Isis because Isis are fighting Assad and Maliki.
Oh what a tangled web we weave ...........
I expect it to end with different teams of CIA bods in Langley shooting at each other from behind their desks.
When one recalls that the Afghan Taliban were originally armed with CIA money ..........
Delighted to learn the Yanks have bombed an ISIS crowd back to the stone age where they belong. Special forces should be sent in to wipe ISIS out.
So far they've said they're only going to bomb Isis forces when they threaten Erbil or Baghdad (where the US has regional command posts) and air dropping supplies elsewhere like the bods on the mountains.
They don't want to damage Isis because Isis are fighting Assad and Maliki.
Oh what a tangled web we weave ...........
I expect it to end with different teams of CIA bods in Langley shooting at each other from behind their desks.
When one recalls that the Afghan Taliban were originally armed with CIA money ..........
To fight the Russians. Saddam also was fighting Iran, then we fought Saddam - now we kind of need Iran onside to fight the Sunni extremists, who are supported by the Saudis.
Delighted to learn the Yanks have bombed an ISIS crowd back to the stone age where they belong. Special forces should be sent in to wipe ISIS out.
So far they've said they're only going to bomb Isis forces when they threaten Erbil or Baghdad (where the US has regional command posts) and air dropping supplies elsewhere like the bods on the mountains.
They don't want to damage Isis because Isis are fighting Assad and Maliki.
Oh what a tangled web we weave ...........
I expect it to end with different teams of CIA bods in Langley shooting at each other from behind their desks.
When one recalls that the Afghan Taliban were originally armed with CIA money ..........
Yup, flood a place full of under-employed young men with money and guns - what could possibly go wrong?
Because the UK is booming and thus spending on imports while European nations like France aren't importing off us because they're doing the opposite?
That's a preposterous way of measuring in these circumstances what's succeeding or failing, do you want us to implement Hollande-nomics to close the gap by impoverishing us all?
Because the UK is booming and thus spending on imports while European nations like France aren't importing off us because they're doing the opposite?
That's a preposterous way of measuring in these circumstances what's succeeding or failing, do you want us to implement Hollande-nomics to close the gap by impoverishing us all?
Last time I looked Osborne was impoverishing us all. Real wages are stagnant.
Even Hollande is more decisive than our PM. France are readying air strikes as well. Now of the three major western military powers only Britain stands by whistling and watching while thousands are starved to death or massacred by terrorist scum. Weak, weak, weak from Dave. Courting the Muslim vote is not worth the lives of those people.
Delighted to learn the Yanks have bombed an ISIS crowd back to the stone age where they belong. Special forces should be sent in to wipe ISIS out.
So far they've said they're only going to bomb Isis forces when they threaten Erbil or Baghdad (where the US has regional command posts) and air dropping supplies elsewhere like the bods on the mountains.
They don't want to damage Isis because Isis are fighting Assad and Maliki.
Oh what a tangled web we weave ...........
I expect it to end with different teams of CIA bods in Langley shooting at each other from behind their desks.
When one recalls that the Afghan Taliban were originally armed with CIA money ..........
To fight the Russians. Saddam also was fighting Iran, then we fought Saddam - now we kind of need Iran onside to fight the Sunni extremists, who are supported by the Saudis.
If you try and extrapolate all the possible combinations of weird future alliances set in train by this then your brain explodes.
Even Hollande is more decisive than our PM. France are readying air strikes as well. Now of the three major western military powers only Britain stands by whistling and watching while thousands are starved to death or massacred by terrorist scum. Weak, weak, weak from Dave. Courting the Muslim vote is not worth the lives of those people.
You'll get a whole bunch of people in desperate need of a wash coming out wanting to "Stop the war" in London if we bomb ISIS. As a Londoner do you really want that ?
@MrJones As a noted person once said "the definition of madness is repeating the same thing over and over again hoping for a different result" (praphrased)
On a (much) lighter note, it's rather pissing it down in Yorkshire.
On the same much lighter note, despite the doom sayers at the BBC (and Classic FM, to be fair) we have had a warm, dry day down here. However, Herself is out for the day and on her instructions I had to hoover the living room - where The Brute was sleeping through his celebration of International Cat's day. Well, if looks could kill ...
I am now a marked man. The best I can now hope for is a really big outdoor 5am Meow session (the one that wakes the neighbours), but I fear the worst. I think I might get, not only elephants on the upstairs landing at 0200, but also "I know you want to sleep so to help I am going to sit on your head and sing". He will probably sulk too, which means sitting with his back to Herself this evening. She will blame me, so I will get it from both directions.
Even Hollande is more decisive than our PM. France are readying air strikes as well. Now of the three major western military powers only Britain stands by whistling and watching while thousands are starved to death or massacred by terrorist scum. Weak, weak, weak from Dave. Courting the Muslim vote is not worth the lives of those people.
You'll get a whole bunch of people in desperate need of a wash coming out wanting to "Stop the war" in London if we bomb ISIS. As a Londoner do you really want that ?
Better than 100,000 dead Christians, Jews, Hindus and Yezidis massacred by ISIS.
Because the UK is booming and thus spending on imports while European nations like France aren't importing off us because they're doing the opposite?
That's a preposterous way of measuring in these circumstances what's succeeding or failing, do you want us to implement Hollande-nomics to close the gap by impoverishing us all?
Last time I looked Osborne was impoverishing us all. Real wages are stagnant.
"Data from the REC/KPMG report on jobs show 38.3pc of employers had to pay more in June than in the previous month to lure staff, compared with 58.2pc who said pay had not moved and 3.5pc who were paying less.
On the survey’s indexed scale, this gave a reading of 67.4 – well above the 50 mark which separates pay increases and decreases. It was also the highest reading since the survey launched 1997. Pay has now risen for 26 months."
Just remember this, Arabs/Muslims who live in Israel have the right to vote, the right to own land and the right to own/run a business without interference from the state. The same cannot be said for non-Muslims in Gaza (or almost any majority Islamic country for that matter).
Your claim is that non-Muslims are not allowed to vote in Gaza? That's a bizarre claim given that non-Muslims are even given reserved seats in the Legislative Council to ensure a minimum level of representation.
Because the UK is booming and thus spending on imports while European nations like France aren't importing off us because they're doing the opposite?
That's a preposterous way of measuring in these circumstances what's succeeding or failing, do you want us to implement Hollande-nomics to close the gap by impoverishing us all?
Last time I looked Osborne was impoverishing us all. Real wages are stagnant.
"Data from the REC/KPMG report on jobs show 38.3pc of employers had to pay more in June than in the previous month to lure staff, compared with 58.2pc who said pay had not moved and 3.5pc who were paying less.
On the survey’s indexed scale, this gave a reading of 67.4 – well above the 50 mark which separates pay increases and decreases. It was also the highest reading since the survey launched 1997. Pay has now risen for 26 months."
It will see me quite happily up to the election H.
Osborne has been a fairly useless chancellor and the sooner he moves on the better. One day we might actually get a reformer in the job instead of Gordon Brown in slow motion.
Personally I don't blame the government for wanting to sit out another military intervention.
Last September parliament (and the media) gave a very, very clear signal that they will not tolerate any more military adventures. The whole mess was compounded by the game playing of that sh*t Ed Milliband.
Who could possibly trust Ed and thus the Labour Party on another matter of intervention?
Cameron was lucky to survive that fiasco and I don't for a second blame him for being wary in the extreme now.
People need to understand that when a government is defeated in Parliament on matters of war and peace it will inevitably have profound and long-term consequences.
Want someome to blame for our inaction now? Try Ed Milliband and the Labour Party.
Personally I don't blame the government for wanting to sit out another military intervention.
Last September parliament (and the media) gave a very, very clear signal that they will not tolerate any more military adventures. The whole mess was compounded by the game playing of that sh*t Ed Milliband.
Who could possibly trust Ed and thus the Labour Party on another matter of intervention?
Cameron was lucky to survive that fiasco and I don't for a second blame him for being wary in the extreme now.
People need to understand that when a government is defeated in Parliament on matters of war and peace it will inevitably have profound and long-term consequences.
Want someome to blame for our inaction now? Try Ed Milliband and the Labour Party.
The show Ed to be the appeasing, pandering fool that he is by calling an emergency session in Parliament and force him to vote down military intervention on a three line whip.
On a (much) lighter note, it's rather pissing it down in Yorkshire.
On the same much lighter note, despite the doom sayers at the BBC (and Classic FM, to be fair) we have had a warm, dry day down here. However, Herself is out for the day and on her instructions I had to hoover the living room - where The Brute was sleeping through his celebration of International Cat's day. Well, if looks could kill ...
I am now a marked man. The best I can now hope for is a really big outdoor 5am Meow session (the one that wakes the neighbours), but I fear the worst. I think I might get, not only elephants on the upstairs landing at 0200, but also "I know you want to sleep so to help I am going to sit on your head and sing". He will probably sulk too, which means sitting with his back to Herself this evening. She will blame me, so I will get it from both directions.
Personally I don't blame the government for wanting to sit out another military intervention.
Last September parliament (and the media) gave a very, very clear signal that they will not tolerate any more military adventures. The whole mess was compounded by the game playing of that sh*t Ed Milliband.
Who could possibly trust Ed and thus the Labour Party on another matter of intervention?
Cameron was lucky to survive that fiasco and I don't for a second blame him for being wary in the extreme now.
People need to understand that when a government is defeated in Parliament on matters of war and peace it will inevitably have profound and long-term consequences.
Want someome to blame for our inaction now? Try Ed Milliband and the Labour Party.
Am I alone in thinking that there is at least a tad of difference between the situation in Syria then and that in N Iraq now?
Just remember this, Arabs/Muslims who live in Israel have the right to vote, the right to own land and the right to own/run a business without interference from the state. The same cannot be said for non-Muslims in Gaza (or almost any majority Islamic country for that matter).
Your claim is that non-Muslims are not allowed to vote in Gaza? That's a bizarre claim given that non-Muslims are even given reserved seats in the Legislative Council to ensure a minimum level of representation.
Ah, Mr. Neil, as you obviously know far more about the politics of Gaza than the rest of us could you please answer a question I put up last night but nobody could answer?
What is the normal parliamentary term in Gaza?
The current Hamas administration was elected in 2006, the elections pencilled in for 2012 didn't happen. So when does the mandate for the government in Gaza actually run out?
Just remember this, Arabs/Muslims who live in Israel have the right to vote, the right to own land and the right to own/run a business without interference from the state. The same cannot be said for non-Muslims in Gaza (or almost any majority Islamic country for that matter).
Your claim is that non-Muslims are not allowed to vote in Gaza? That's a bizarre claim given that non-Muslims are even given reserved seats in the Legislative Council to ensure a minimum level of representation.
Ah, Mr. Neil, as you obviously know far more about the politics of Gaza than the rest of us could you please answer a question I put up last night but nobody could answer?
What is the normal parliamentary term in Gaza?
The current Hamas administration was elected in 2006, the elections pencilled in for 2012 didn't happen. So when does the mandate for the government in Gaza actually run out?
Just remember this, Arabs/Muslims who live in Israel have the right to vote, the right to own land and the right to own/run a business without interference from the state. The same cannot be said for non-Muslims in Gaza (or almost any majority Islamic country for that matter).
Your claim is that non-Muslims are not allowed to vote in Gaza? That's a bizarre claim given that non-Muslims are even given reserved seats in the Legislative Council to ensure a minimum level of representation.
How you believe such rubbish from Hamas is difficult to comprehend. Every second word they utter is a lie; they even lie to themselves and think them true:
This couple has died "twice". Once in Bangladesh - the second time in Gaza according to Palestinian news... pic.twitter.com/JabpZudSa1
The agreement between Hamas and Fatah earlier this year provided for new elections within 6 months. Given all that has happened since then that aim seems .. ambitious!
The agreement between Hamas and Fatah earlier this year provided for new elections within 6 months. Given all that has happened since then that aim seems .. ambitious!
I can't see either of those organisations rushing to hold an election, the voters might get it wrong.
How you believe such rubbish from Hamas is difficult to comprehend.
Er, it's not a claim from Hamas. If you want to argue that there are no reserved seats for non-Muslims in the Legislative Council then fine but you should also try arguing that black is white too.
Just remember this, Arabs/Muslims who live in Israel have the right to vote, the right to own land and the right to own/run a business without interference from the state. The same cannot be said for non-Muslims in Gaza (or almost any majority Islamic country for that matter).
Your claim is that non-Muslims are not allowed to vote in Gaza? That's a bizarre claim given that non-Muslims are even given reserved seats in the Legislative Council to ensure a minimum level of representation.
Ah, Mr. Neil, as you obviously know far more about the politics of Gaza than the rest of us could you please answer a question I put up last night but nobody could answer?
What is the normal parliamentary term in Gaza?
The current Hamas administration was elected in 2006, the elections pencilled in for 2012 didn't happen. So when does the mandate for the government in Gaza actually run out?
presumably when Hamas run out of ammo.
Probably right, but looks from various Wikipedia sites to be 6 years. If of course they are in state of war then they might need to be delayed. That state of war could be with Israel or between Hamas and Fatah. Or both (or all three?)
Personally I don't blame the government for wanting to sit out another military intervention.
Last September parliament (and the media) gave a very, very clear signal that they will not tolerate any more military adventures. The whole mess was compounded by the game playing of that sh*t Ed Milliband.
Who could possibly trust Ed and thus the Labour Party on another matter of intervention?
Cameron was lucky to survive that fiasco and I don't for a second blame him for being wary in the extreme now.
People need to understand that when a government is defeated in Parliament on matters of war and peace it will inevitably have profound and long-term consequences.
Want someome to blame for our inaction now? Try Ed Milliband and the Labour Party.
Am I alone in thinking that there is at least a tad of difference between the situation in Syria then and that in N Iraq now?
Probably, but many of us said on that day in August last year that what Parliament had effectively done (certainly for the remainder of the 2010-2015 Parliament) had been to withdraw the UK from the world stage (apart from direct attacks against our interests like an invasion of the Falklands or something) and so it has proved.
I'm not happy about this, but that's the consequence's of what happened last year. The PM and the government will not put their credibility on the line in such a way again.
I'm just waiting now for Ed Milliband to start wringing his hands about our inaction in Iraq. That will surely be the cheery on the cake!
Just remember this, Arabs/Muslims who live in Israel have the right to vote, the right to own land and the right to own/run a business without interference from the state. The same cannot be said for non-Muslims in Gaza (or almost any majority Islamic country for that matter).
Your claim is that non-Muslims are not allowed to vote in Gaza? That's a bizarre claim given that non-Muslims are even given reserved seats in the Legislative Council to ensure a minimum level of representation.
Ah, Mr. Neil, as you obviously know far more about the politics of Gaza than the rest of us could you please answer a question I put up last night but nobody could answer?
What is the normal parliamentary term in Gaza?
The current Hamas administration was elected in 2006, the elections pencilled in for 2012 didn't happen. So when does the mandate for the government in Gaza actually run out?
presumably when Hamas run out of ammo.
Probably right, but looks from various Wikipedia sites to be 6 years. If of course they are in state of war then......
..... then that's all very convenient for the incumbents so nobody's in a rush for peace.
Just remember this, Arabs/Muslims who live in Israel have the right to vote, the right to own land and the right to own/run a business without interference from the state. The same cannot be said for non-Muslims in Gaza (or almost any majority Islamic country for that matter).
Your claim is that non-Muslims are not allowed to vote in Gaza? That's a bizarre claim given that non-Muslims are even given reserved seats in the Legislative Council to ensure a minimum level of representation.
Ah, Mr. Neil, as you obviously know far more about the politics of Gaza than the rest of us could you please answer a question I put up last night but nobody could answer?
What is the normal parliamentary term in Gaza?
The current Hamas administration was elected in 2006, the elections pencilled in for 2012 didn't happen. So when does the mandate for the government in Gaza actually run out?
presumably when Hamas run out of ammo.
Afternoon, Mr B, I think various Arab states will ensure that Hamas never runs out of ammunition, but those same states will not do anything that could lead to a settlement, let alone accept the descendants of Palestinian refugees as citizens in their own states.
Anyway, well done for bringing the trade figures to our attention. The sooner people stop focusing on growf (i.e. the increase of a figure that they don't understand) and start to focus on a measure of prosperity then the sooner we might start to make our way out of the current mess.
Farage's new Labour opponent is Will Scobie. Very local. But has been a full time politician since graduating - usual stuff: local councillor, Spad to an MEP, blah, blah. Looks about 15. See: http://will4souththanet.co.uk/
The Tory is ex-UKIP deputy leader, Craig McKinley.
Just remember this, Arabs/Muslims who live in Israel have the right to vote, the right to own land and the right to own/run a business without interference from the state. The same cannot be said for non-Muslims in Gaza (or almost any majority Islamic country for that matter).
Your claim is that non-Muslims are not allowed to vote in Gaza? That's a bizarre claim given that non-Muslims are even given reserved seats in the Legislative Council to ensure a minimum level of representation.
Ah, Mr. Neil, as you obviously know far more about the politics of Gaza than the rest of us could you please answer a question I put up last night but nobody could answer?
What is the normal parliamentary term in Gaza?
The current Hamas administration was elected in 2006, the elections pencilled in for 2012 didn't happen. So when does the mandate for the government in Gaza actually run out?
presumably when Hamas run out of ammo.
Afternoon, Mr B, I think various Arab states will ensure that Hamas never runs out of ammunition, but those same states will not do anything that could lead to a settlement, let alone accept the descendants of Palestinian refugees as citizens in their own states.
Anyway, well done for bringing the trade figures to our attention. The sooner people stop focusing on growf (i.e. the increase of a figure that they don't understand) and start to focus on a measure of prosperity then the sooner we might start to make our way out of the current mess.
I can't see how we'll get out of the mess with "Third Way" Cameroons. They all beleive in the power of pixie dust and how it can help you avoid hard work.
In case this poll is replicated with one or two others giving,say,a 2 or 3 point Tory lead into the referendum,I would expect an uptick in the Yes price as Salmond points to the inevitability of another Tory government and how he can release all Scots from the evil Tories for all time.
You want him to sort out the crappy EU economies so they will buy more of our stuff ?
No, I want him to concentrate on import substitution as it's the only sensible way to cut the deficit in a world where exports are volatile.
I argued the same point with Mr Pole 4 years ago, today simply proves Osborne's a numpty.
Alan, Do not expect the numpties on here to get that any time soon. We are booming don't you know.
chortle hardly malc.
I noticed from one of the graphs that one of our biggest deficits was with Norway. So much for our energy policies and it can only get worse imo as N Sea resources run down.
Just remember this, Arabs/Muslims who live in Israel have the right to vote, the right to own land and the right to own/run a business without interference from the state. The same cannot be said for non-Muslims in Gaza (or almost any majority Islamic country for that matter).
Your claim is that non-Muslims are not allowed to vote in Gaza? That's a bizarre claim given that non-Muslims are even given reserved seats in the Legislative Council to ensure a minimum level of representation.
Is it true that Muslims are banned from joining the IDF?
In case this poll is replicated with one or two others giving,say,a 2 or 3 point Tory lead into the referendum,I would expect an uptick in the Yes price as Salmond points to the inevitability of another Tory government and how he can release all Scots from the evil Tories for all time.
It's a mad situation that Scotland could end a 300 year union purely on the basis of some "here today gone tomorrow" politicians who currently happen to be in power in Westminster.
The agreement between Hamas and Fatah earlier this year provided for new elections within 6 months. Given all that has happened since then that aim seems .. ambitious!
Really, that is interesting. There was a similar deal between Hamas and Fatah in 2012 if memory serves. Those elections never happened because of some crisis or other. Now within a couple of months of new elections another crisis kicks off because Hamas has started to lob more than usual amount of ordnance at Israel. Elections will have to be postponed yet again, Goodness gracious, what a terrible surprise.
A rather large puddle in one corner preventing a resumption at Old Trafford.
Play must resume by 6:00pm to allow the extra 90 minutes and a 7:30 finish.
Great PR for cricket.
Cricket? What a complete and utter waste of time!
Is that the Tebbit English view or the losing Indian view ?
When my dad arrived in Blighty during the 1950s, instead of pursuing medical studies as he promised his parents, he spent too much of his time playing cricket for a club in Southend, so that's my, ah, pretext for branding it a waste of time!
In case this poll is replicated with one or two others giving,say,a 2 or 3 point Tory lead into the referendum,I would expect an uptick in the Yes price as Salmond points to the inevitability of another Tory government and how he can release all Scots from the evil Tories for all time.
It's a mad situation that Scotland could end a 300 year union purely on the basis of some "here today gone tomorrow" politicians who currently happen to be in power in Westminster.
A NO vote could well condemn the Tories to Opposition in 2015 and beyond...
The agreement between Hamas and Fatah earlier this year provided for new elections within 6 months. Given all that has happened since then that aim seems .. ambitious!
Really, that is interesting. There was a similar deal between Hamas and Fatah in 2012 if memory serves. Those elections never happened because of some crisis or other. Now within a couple of months of new elections another crisis kicks off because Hamas has started to lob more than usual amount of ordnance at Israel. Elections will have to be postponed yet again, Goodness gracious, what a terrible surprise.
lol, quite so Mr L, Hamas run Gaza and Fatah the West Bank and the inconvenience of an election suits neither of them. I suspect they're happy enough with the current arrangement.
In case this poll is replicated with one or two others giving,say,a 2 or 3 point Tory lead into the referendum,I would expect an uptick in the Yes price as Salmond points to the inevitability of another Tory government and how he can release all Scots from the evil Tories for all time.
It's a mad situation that Scotland could end a 300 year union purely on the basis of some "here today gone tomorrow" politicians who currently happen to be in power in Westminster.
A NO vote could well condemn the Tories to Opposition in 2015 and beyond...
It's got bugger all to do with a NO vote, if the Tories are in opposition in 2015 it's because they're crap at politics.
In case this poll is replicated with one or two others giving,say,a 2 or 3 point Tory lead into the referendum,I would expect an uptick in the Yes price as Salmond points to the inevitability of another Tory government and how he can release all Scots from the evil Tories for all time.
It's a mad situation that Scotland could end a 300 year union purely on the basis of some "here today gone tomorrow" politicians who currently happen to be in power in Westminster.
A NO vote could well condemn the Tories to Opposition in 2015 and beyond...
A no vote alone does absolutely no such thing.
The election in 2015 can be won by any party and will be determined by the voters in 2015. Given we have a Tory-led government now there's no reason why any outcome in the referendum prevents or assures the same outcome next year. Especially since regardless of Yes or No there will still be Scottish MPs in 2015 until independence if happens.
A rather large puddle in one corner preventing a resumption at Old Trafford.
Play must resume by 6:00pm to allow the extra 90 minutes and a 7:30 finish.
Great PR for cricket.
Cricket? What a complete and utter waste of time!
Is that the Tebbit English view or the losing Indian view ?
When my dad arrived in Blighty during the 1950s, instead of pursuing medical studies as he promised his parents, he spent too much of his time playing cricket for a club in Southend, so that's my, ah, pretext for branding it a waste of time!
My dear Sunil you bow down in praise of your family cricket heritage and devote the next issue of the "Sunil on Sunday" to the glory of willow and leather.
A rather large puddle in one corner preventing a resumption at Old Trafford.
Play must resume by 6:00pm to allow the extra 90 minutes and a 7:30 finish.
Great PR for cricket.
Cricket? What a complete and utter waste of time!
Is that the Tebbit English view or the losing Indian view ?
When my dad arrived in Blighty during the 1950s, instead of pursuing medical studies as he promised his parents, he spent too much of his time playing cricket for a club in Southend, so that's my, ah, pretext for branding it a waste of time!
And rightly so, Cap'n Doc. Now, if your Dad had been playing for a decent Sussex side rather than for the riff-raff of Essex ....
In case this poll is replicated with one or two others giving,say,a 2 or 3 point Tory lead into the referendum,I would expect an uptick in the Yes price as Salmond points to the inevitability of another Tory government and how he can release all Scots from the evil Tories for all time.
It's a mad situation that Scotland could end a 300 year union purely on the basis of some "here today gone tomorrow" politicians who currently happen to be in power in Westminster.
A NO vote could well condemn the Tories to Opposition in 2015 and beyond...
Doesn't Rod's Monte Carlo thingy predict that the Tories will have a mini-revival north of the border in 2015?
I'm not sure that the accusation that Hamas is running away from elections (if that's what it is) stacks up. Hamas won the last election and so that process had to be put aside by other actors (USA / EU boycott etc.) leaving Hamas in power in Gaza only. I havent seen any opinion polling recently but Hamas doesnt strike me as being particularly unpopular in the occupied territories and I would expect them to do well in any election. You are right that any time Hamas and Fatah look to be on the verge of reconciling that something always appears to crop up to interfere with that. Again Hamas wouldnt be at the top of my suspect list for groups seeking to undermine those initiatives.
Even with Nigel Farage contesting the seat it look's a tall order to over-turn that sort of lead in one election to me?
The problem is that UKIP were so badly organised in 2010 (Nigel himself spending election day in the airspace over a no-hope constituency) that there's no constituency in the country where they were particularly close.
In case this poll is replicated with one or two others giving,say,a 2 or 3 point Tory lead into the referendum,I would expect an uptick in the Yes price as Salmond points to the inevitability of another Tory government and how he can release all Scots from the evil Tories for all time.
It's a mad situation that Scotland could end a 300 year union purely on the basis of some "here today gone tomorrow" politicians who currently happen to be in power in Westminster.
It's mad that independence should be sought on a single vote... Two referenda, five years apart with two thirds majorities required would show a serious intent to get the peoples support for such a fundamental change... A grubby dash for a simple majority to change the constitution wouldn't be tolerated in the local bowls club...
At the rate things are going, we will need Israel to fight ISIS.
A few threads back I mused that we would probably end up fighting the Caliphate and it looks as if this will happen sooner rather than later.
Max PB is right that Islamic extremism is the biggest threat the world faces, not just in the Middle East but within our own societies and we need to deal with it both there and here. I hope - but rather fear not - that the politicians have the guts to do what it takes but judging by the rush to appeasement of those who threaten violence by the likes of Warsi and Milliband and Clegg I'm not hopeful.
surely the way for Christian values to prevail would be the application of Christian values such as turning t'other cheek and so on?
In case this poll is replicated with one or two others giving,say,a 2 or 3 point Tory lead into the referendum,I would expect an uptick in the Yes price as Salmond points to the inevitability of another Tory government and how he can release all Scots from the evil Tories for all time.
It's a mad situation that Scotland could end a 300 year union purely on the basis of some "here today gone tomorrow" politicians who currently happen to be in power in Westminster.
A NO vote could well condemn the Tories to Opposition in 2015 and beyond...
Doesn't Rod's Monte Carlo thingy predict that the Tories will have a mini-revival north of the border in 2015?
Not sure what Jacks Arse say's Re. this, though?
Jack doesn't know his ARSE from the Sunil on Sunday's ELBOW!
People need to understand that when a government is defeated in Parliament on matters of war and peace it will inevitably have profound and long-term consequences.
Want someome to blame for our inaction now? Try Ed Milliband and the Labour Party.
OK, happy to share in that. What if they'd failed to block it, and we were now involved in shipping weapons to ISIS (which is where I'd suggest weapons to the FSA would have partly ended up)? Or participating in some more active way? I think Parliament got it exactly right - it is not clear who the good, or less bad, sides are in the shifting sands of Syria and we therefore have no business helping either side in Syria kill the other.
The potential SeanT-sponsored US airstrike intervention in Iraq does look justified to save the beleagured people, for the reasons he eloquently set out. But I'm not sure what Britain would have to add to it. I may be over-learning the lesson from Iraq, but I'd need a lot of convincing now that any British involvement is needed. And I was against intervening in Libya too (unlike the Labour party on that one), and have seen nothing happening there to make me think again.
In case this poll is replicated with one or two others giving,say,a 2 or 3 point Tory lead into the referendum,I would expect an uptick in the Yes price as Salmond points to the inevitability of another Tory government and how he can release all Scots from the evil Tories for all time.
It's a mad situation that Scotland could end a 300 year union purely on the basis of some "here today gone tomorrow" politicians who currently happen to be in power in Westminster.
A NO vote could well condemn the Tories to Opposition in 2015 and beyond...
Doesn't Rod's Monte Carlo thingy predict that the Tories will have a mini-revival north of the border in 2015?
Not sure what Jacks Arse say's Re. this, though?
I say how very dare you decapitalise my fine organ.
Just remember this, Arabs/Muslims who live in Israel have the right to vote, the right to own land and the right to own/run a business without interference from the state. The same cannot be said for non-Muslims in Gaza (or almost any majority Islamic country for that matter).
Your claim is that non-Muslims are not allowed to vote in Gaza? That's a bizarre claim given that non-Muslims are even given reserved seats in the Legislative Council to ensure a minimum level of representation.
Ah, Mr. Neil, as you obviously know far more about the politics of Gaza than the rest of us could you please answer a question I put up last night but nobody could answer?
What is the normal parliamentary term in Gaza?
The current Hamas administration was elected in 2006, the elections pencilled in for 2012 didn't happen. So when does the mandate for the government in Gaza actually run out?
presumably when Hamas run out of ammo.
Afternoon, Mr B, I think various Arab states will ensure that Hamas never runs out of ammunition, but those same states will not do anything that could lead to a settlement, let alone accept the descendants of Palestinian refugees as citizens in their own states.
Anyway, well done for bringing the trade figures to our attention. The sooner people stop focusing on growf (i.e. the increase of a figure that they don't understand) and start to focus on a measure of prosperity then the sooner we might start to make our way out of the current mess.
I can't see how we'll get out of the mess with "Third Way" Cameroons. They all beleive in the power of pixie dust and how it can help you avoid hard work.
Of course we won't get out of the mess with Cameron and his clique at the helm and nor do they care whether we do or not. None of the clique's children are going to suffer are they? Any more than Blair's eldest served in the armed forces (he couldn't actually serve but he is making a damn big grab for a safe seat).
Mind you, having, rightly slagged off Cameron and the Remove, don't ask the obvious question. Miliband seems to be some sort of student who hasn't grown up yet and is surrounded by total wankers. Clegg is a bit like Miliband but with less integrity. Farage is probably barking when it comes to serious politics and government, but he does have this knack of saying what lots of people are thinking.
Even with Nigel Farage contesting the seat it look's a tall order to over-turn that sort of lead in one election to me?
The problem is that UKIP were so badly organised in 2010 (Nigel himself spending election day in the airspace over a no-hope constituency) that there's no constituency in the country where they were particularly close.
Well yeah, that's why I think it's unlikely UKIP will gain a single seat in 2015.
If they can't do it in by elections, I just don't see it in a general election.
At the rate things are going, we will need Israel to fight ISIS.
A few threads back I mused that we would probably end up fighting the Caliphate and it looks as if this will happen sooner rather than later.
Max PB is right that Islamic extremism is the biggest threat the world faces, not just in the Middle East but within our own societies and we need to deal with it both there and here. I hope - but rather fear not - that the politicians have the guts to do what it takes but judging by the rush to appeasement of those who threaten violence by the likes of Warsi and Milliband and Clegg I'm not hopeful.
surely the way for Christian values to prevail would be the application of Christian values such as turning t'other cheek and so on?
Would you like to try out your recommendation on the relevant ground in front of ISIS and their ilk?? A study of history may guide you to the right answer.
People need to understand that when a government is defeated in Parliament on matters of war and peace it will inevitably have profound and long-term consequences.
Want someome to blame for our inaction now? Try Ed Milliband and the Labour Party.
OK, happy to share in that. What if they'd failed to block it, and we were now involved in shipping weapons to ISIS (which is where I'd suggest weapons to the FSA would have partly ended up)? Or participating in some more active way? I think Parliament got it exactly right - it is not clear who the good, or less bad, sides are in the shifting sands of Syria and we therefore have no business helping either side in Syria kill the other.
The potential SeanT-sponsored US airstrike intervention in Iraq does look justified to save the beleagured people, for the reasons he eloquently set out. But I'm not sure what Britain would have to add to it. I may be over-learning the lesson from Iraq, but I'd need a lot of convincing now that any British involvement is needed. And I was against intervening in Libya too (unlike the Labour party on that one), and have seen nothing happening there to make me think again.
We can debate the merit's (or not) of any Syrian action all day, but the upshot is the Prime Minister and the government recommended our involvement in that action, Parliament said NO (Ed said yes, then maybe, then what's in this for me, before finally saying NO) and the government was defeated.
The consequences of which are that we will not be getting involved in any more military engagements for the foreseeable future.
Just remember this, Arabs/Muslims who live in Israel have the right to vote, the right to own land and the right to own/run a business without interference from the state. The same cannot be said for non-Muslims in Gaza (or almost any majority Islamic country for that matter).
Your claim is that non-Muslims are not allowed to vote in Gaza? That's a bizarre claim given that non-Muslims are even given reserved seats in the Legislative Council to ensure a minimum level of representation.
Ah, Mr. Neil, as you obviously know far more about the politics of Gaza than the rest of us could you please answer a question I put up last night but nobody could answer?
What is the normal parliamentary term in Gaza?
The current Hamas administration was elected in 2006, the elections pencilled in for 2012 didn't happen. So when does the mandate for the government in Gaza actually run out?
presumably when Hamas run out of ammo.
Afternoon, Mr B, I think various Arab states will ensure that Hamas never runs out of ammunition, but those same states will not do anything that could lead to a settlement, let alone accept the descendants of Palestinian refugees as citizens in their own states.
Anyway, well done for bringing the trade figures to our attention. The sooner people stop focusing on growf (i.e. the increase of a figure that they don't understand) and start to focus on a measure of prosperity then the sooner we might start to make our way out of the current mess.
I can't see how we'll get out of the mess with "Third Way" Cameroons. They all beleive in the power of pixie dust and how it can help you avoid hard work.
Of course we won't get out of the mess with Cameron and his clique at the helm and nor do they care whether we do or not. None of the clique's children are going to suffer are they? Any more than Blair's eldest served in the armed forces (he couldn't actually serve but he is making a damn big grab for a safe seat).
Mind you, having, rightly slagged off Cameron and the Remove, don't ask the obvious question. Miliband seems to be some sort of student who hasn't grown up yet and is surrounded by total wankers. Clegg is a bit like Miliband but with less integrity. Farage is probably barking when it comes to serious politics and government, but he does have this knack of saying what lots of people are thinking.
well that post gave me an overwhelming sensation of optimism :-(
Even with Nigel Farage contesting the seat it look's a tall order to over-turn that sort of lead in one election to me?
The problem is that UKIP were so badly organised in 2010 (Nigel himself spending election day in the airspace over a no-hope constituency) that there's no constituency in the country where they were particularly close.
Well yeah, that's why I think it's unlikely UKIP will gain a single seat in 2015.
If they can't do it in by elections, I just don't see it in a general election.
I disagree. By-elections are hard for smaller parties (and UKIP still is) because they face the undivided resources of the main parties. At a general election the main parties have to focus on beating each other and cant concentrate on blowing UKIP (or Greens or whoever) out of the water in their areas of strength. Given the right focus on the right number of seats in the right places I can see UKIP winning seats next year. And they've shown many signs of being better at this than in 2010 (mind you they couldnt be worse).
At the rate things are going, we will need Israel to fight ISIS.
A few threads back I mused that we would probably end up fighting the Caliphate and it looks as if this will happen sooner rather than later.
Max PB is right that Islamic extremism is the biggest threat the world faces, not just in the Middle East but within our own societies and we need to deal with it both there and here. I hope - but rather fear not - that the politicians have the guts to do what it takes but judging by the rush to appeasement of those who threaten violence by the likes of Warsi and Milliband and Clegg I'm not hopeful.
surely the way for Christian values to prevail would be the application of Christian values such as turning t'other cheek and so on?
Would you like to try out your recommendation on the relevant ground in front of ISIS and their ilk?? A study of history may guide you to the right answer.
In case this poll is replicated with one or two others giving,say,a 2 or 3 point Tory lead into the referendum,I would expect an uptick in the Yes price as Salmond points to the inevitability of another Tory government and how he can release all Scots from the evil Tories for all time.
It's a mad situation that Scotland could end a 300 year union purely on the basis of some "here today gone tomorrow" politicians who currently happen to be in power in Westminster.
A NO vote could well condemn the Tories to Opposition in 2015 and beyond...
Doesn't Rod's Monte Carlo thingy predict that the Tories will have a mini-revival north of the border in 2015?
Not sure what Jacks Arse say's Re. this, though?
I say how very dare you decapitalise my fine organ.
I would of course never dream of knowingly decapitalising, decapitating or even castrating your fine organ.
The agreement between Hamas and Fatah earlier this year provided for new elections within 6 months. Given all that has happened since then that aim seems .. ambitious!
Really, that is interesting. There was a similar deal between Hamas and Fatah in 2012 if memory serves. Those elections never happened because of some crisis or other. Now within a couple of months of new elections another crisis kicks off because Hamas has started to lob more than usual amount of ordnance at Israel. Elections will have to be postponed yet again, Goodness gracious, what a terrible surprise.
Yes, Israel have done everything possible to stop the reconciliation between Hamas and Fatah. Israel invaded on a trumped up reason so far murdering 2000 Palestinians.
As Jesus said to the Pahrisees 'Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.' Applies to the fifth column in this country too.
In case this poll is replicated with one or two others giving,say,a 2 or 3 point Tory lead into the referendum,I would expect an uptick in the Yes price as Salmond points to the inevitability of another Tory government and how he can release all Scots from the evil Tories for all time.
It's a mad situation that Scotland could end a 300 year union purely on the basis of some "here today gone tomorrow" politicians who currently happen to be in power in Westminster.
A NO vote could well condemn the Tories to Opposition in 2015 and beyond...
Doesn't Rod's Monte Carlo thingy predict that the Tories will have a mini-revival north of the border in 2015?
Not sure what Jacks Arse say's Re. this, though?
I say how very dare you decapitalise my fine organ.
I would of course never dream of knowingly decapitalising, decapitating or even castrating your fine organ.
Consider yourself on a final warning ....
A repeat offence will ensure your permanent membership of the Ed Miliband Glee Club.
At the rate things are going, we will need Israel to fight ISIS.
A few threads back I mused that we would probably end up fighting the Caliphate and it looks as if this will happen sooner rather than later.
Max PB is right that Islamic extremism is the biggest threat the world faces, not just in the Middle East but within our own societies and we need to deal with it both there and here. I hope - but rather fear not - that the politicians have the guts to do what it takes but judging by the rush to appeasement of those who threaten violence by the likes of Warsi and Milliband and Clegg I'm not hopeful.
surely the way for Christian values to prevail would be the application of Christian values such as turning t'other cheek and so on?
Would you like to try out your recommendation on the relevant ground in front of ISIS and their ilk?? A study of history may guide you to the right answer.
Our Christian values are superior, are they not?
Turning the other cheek NOT EQUAL Turning a blind eye to evil.
"The consequences of which are that we will not be getting involved in any more military engagements for the foreseeable future."
You obviously missed the news, the RAF is to start flying operations over northern Iraq. Just humanitarian drops and support of the USA in terms of refuelling and intelligence, you understand. No actual combat as such - for the moment.
Just remember this, Arabs/Muslims who live in Israel have the right to vote, the right to own land and the right to own/run a business without interference from the state. The same cannot be said for non-Muslims in Gaza (or almost any majority Islamic country for that matter).
Your claim is that non-Muslims are not allowed to vote in Gaza? That's a bizarre claim given that non-Muslims are even given reserved seats in the Legislative Council to ensure a minimum level of representation.
Ah, Mr. Neil, as you obviously know far more about the politics of Gaza than the rest of us could you please answer a question I put up last night but nobody could answer?
What is the normal parliamentary term in Gaza?
The current Hamas administration was elected in 2006, the elections pencilled in for 2012 didn't happen. So when does the mandate for the government in Gaza actually run out?
presumably when Hamas run out of ammo.
Afternoon, Mr B, I think various Arab states will ensure that Hamas never runs out of ammunition, but those same states will not do anything that could lead to a settlement, let alone accept the descendants of Palestinian refugees as citizens in their own states.
Anyway, well done for bringing the trade figures to our attention. The sooner people stop focusing on growf (i.e. the increase of a figure that they don't understand) and start to focus on a measure of prosperity then the sooner we might start to make our way out of the current mess.
I can't see how we'll get out of the mess with "Third Way" Cameroons. They all beleive in the power of pixie dust and how it can help you avoid hard work.
Of course we won't get out of the mess with Cameron and his clique at the helm and nor do they care whether we do or not. None of the clique's children are going to suffer are they? Any more than Blair's eldest served in the armed forces (he couldn't actually serve but he is making a damn big grab for a safe seat).
Mind you, having, rightly slagged off Cameron and the Remove, don't ask the obvious question. Miliband seems to be some sort of student who hasn't grown up yet and is surrounded by total wankers. Clegg is a bit like Miliband but with less integrity. Farage is probably barking when it comes to serious politics and government, but he does have this knack of saying what lots of people are thinking.
well that post gave me an overwhelming sensation of optimism :-(
It is Friday, Mr. Brooke, and coming up to gin-o'clock. In seventeen minutes you will feel much better.
At the rate things are going, we will need Israel to fight ISIS.
A few threads back I mused that we would probably end up fighting the Caliphate and it looks as if this will happen sooner rather than later.
Max PB is right that Islamic extremism is the biggest threat the world faces, not just in the Middle East but within our own societies and we need to deal with it both there and here. I hope - but rather fear not - that the politicians have the guts to do what it takes but judging by the rush to appeasement of those who threaten violence by the likes of Warsi and Milliband and Clegg I'm not hopeful.
surely the way for Christian values to prevail would be the application of Christian values such as turning t'other cheek and so on?
Would you like to try out your recommendation on the relevant ground in front of ISIS and their ilk?? A study of history may guide you to the right answer.
Our Christian values are superior, are they not?
Turning the other cheek NOT EQUAL Turning a blind eye to evil.
equally bombing democracy the fuck into the savages has not been so successful to date
The agreement between Hamas and Fatah earlier this year provided for new elections within 6 months. Given all that has happened since then that aim seems .. ambitious!
Really, that is interesting. There was a similar deal between Hamas and Fatah in 2012 if memory serves. Those elections never happened because of some crisis or other. Now within a couple of months of new elections another crisis kicks off because Hamas has started to lob more than usual amount of ordnance at Israel. Elections will have to be postponed yet again, Goodness gracious, what a terrible surprise.
Yes, Israel have done everything possible to stop the reconciliation between Hamas and Fatah. Israel invaded on a trumped up reason so far murdering 2000 Palestinians.
As Jesus said to the Pahrisees 'Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.' Applies to the fifth column in this country too.
Spiffing. Not sure what that has got to do with the Palestinians bot being able to arrange free and fair elections in Gaza and the est bank though.
The agreement between Hamas and Fatah earlier this year provided for new elections within 6 months. Given all that has happened since then that aim seems .. ambitious!
Really, that is interesting. There was a similar deal between Hamas and Fatah in 2012 if memory serves. Those elections never happened because of some crisis or other. Now within a couple of months of new elections another crisis kicks off because Hamas has started to lob more than usual amount of ordnance at Israel. Elections will have to be postponed yet again, Goodness gracious, what a terrible surprise.
Yes, Israel have done everything possible to stop the reconciliation between Hamas and Fatah. Israel invaded on a trumped up reason so far murdering 2000 Palestinians.
As Jesus said to the Pahrisees 'Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.' Applies to the fifth column in this country too.
Spiffing. Not sure what that has got to do with the Palestinians bot being able to arrange free and fair elections in Gaza and the est bank though.
It's not been a case of not being able to hold elections. The entire democratic process was sidelined after Hamas won the last elections. The winners of the last elections werent allowed to govern because others objected to the choice the Palestinian people made. Unless and until there is a resolution that will allow the winner of the next election to actually govern what is the point of holding one? The Hamas / Fatah reconciliation is obviously key to that process. As for why there isnt likely to be an election within the timescale envisaged in that agreement - well as Jack W pointed out the UK went without elections for the duration of WW2. What does Hamas have to fear from an election? All it can do is offer them the opportunity of taking power (well, the limited power that body is allowed to have).
The agreement between Hamas and Fatah earlier this year provided for new elections within 6 months. Given all that has happened since then that aim seems .. ambitious!
Really, that is interesting. There was a similar deal between Hamas and Fatah in 2012 if memory serves. Those elections never happened because of some crisis or other. Now within a couple of months of new elections another crisis kicks off because Hamas has started to lob more than usual amount of ordnance at Israel. Elections will have to be postponed yet again, Goodness gracious, what a terrible surprise.
Yes, Israel have done everything possible to stop the reconciliation between Hamas and Fatah. Israel invaded on a trumped up reason so far murdering 2000 Palestinians.
As Jesus said to the Pahrisees 'Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.' Applies to the fifth column in this country too.
Spiffing. Not sure what that has got to do with the Palestinians bot being able to arrange free and fair elections in Gaza and the est bank though.
It's not been a case of not being able to hold elections. The entire democratic process was sidelined after Hamas won the last elections. The winners of the last elections werent allowed to govern because others objected to the choice the Palestinian people made. Unless and until there is a resolution that will allow the winner of the next election to actually govern what is the point of holding one? The Hamas / Fatah reconciliation is obviously key to that process. As for why there isnt likely to be an election within the timescale envisaged in that agreement - well as Jack W pointed out the UK went without elections for the duration of WW2. What does Hamas have to fear from an election? All it can do is offer them the opportunity of taking power (well, the limited power that body is allowed to have).
which of course raises the question if they have nothing to fear from an election why aren't they holding one - at least in Gaza which they control ?
The agreement between Hamas and Fatah earlier this year provided for new elections within 6 months. Given all that has happened since then that aim seems .. ambitious!
Really, that is interesting. There was a similar deal between Hamas and Fatah in 2012 if memory serves. Those elections never happened because of some crisis or other. Now within a couple of months of new elections another crisis kicks off because Hamas has started to lob more than usual amount of ordnance at Israel. Elections will have to be postponed yet again, Goodness gracious, what a terrible surprise.
Yes, Israel have done everything possible to stop the reconciliation between Hamas and Fatah. Israel invaded on a trumped up reason so far murdering 2000 Palestinians.
As Jesus said to the Pahrisees 'Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.' Applies to the fifth column in this country too.
Spiffing. Not sure what that has got to do with the Palestinians bot being able to arrange free and fair elections in Gaza and the est bank though.
It's not been a case of not being able to hold elections. The entire democratic process was sidelined after Hamas won the last elections. The winners of the last elections werent allowed to govern because others objected to the choice the Palestinian people made. Unless and until there is a resolution that will allow the winner of the next election to actually govern what is the point of holding one? The Hamas / Fatah reconciliation is obviously key to that process. As for why there isnt likely to be an election within the timescale envisaged in that agreement - well as Jack W pointed out the UK went without elections for the duration of WW2. What does Hamas have to fear from an election? All it can do is offer them the opportunity of taking power (well, the limited power that body is allowed to have).
which of course raises the question if they have nothing to fear from an election why aren't they holding one - at least in Gaza which they control ?
The agreement between Hamas and Fatah earlier this year provided for new elections within 6 months. Given all that has happened since then that aim seems .. ambitious!
Really, that is interesting. There was a similar deal between Hamas and Fatah in 2012 if memory serves. Those elections never happened because of some crisis or other. Now within a couple of months of new elections another crisis kicks off because Hamas has started to lob more than usual amount of ordnance at Israel. Elections will have to be postponed yet again, Goodness gracious, what a terrible surprise.
Yes, Israel have done everything possible to stop the reconciliation between Hamas and Fatah. Israel invaded on a trumped up reason so far murdering 2000 Palestinians.
As Jesus said to the Pahrisees 'Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.' Applies to the fifth column in this country too.
Spiffing. Not sure what that has got to do with the Palestinians bot being able to arrange free and fair elections in Gaza and the est bank though.
It's not been a case of not being able to hold elections. The entire democratic process was sidelined after Hamas won the last elections. The winners of the last elections werent allowed to govern because others objected to the choice the Palestinian people made. Unless and until there is a resolution that will allow the winner of the next election to actually govern what is the point of holding one? The Hamas / Fatah reconciliation is obviously key to that process. As for why there isnt likely to be an election within the timescale envisaged in that agreement - well as Jack W pointed out the UK went without elections for the duration of WW2. What does Hamas have to fear from an election? All it can do is offer them the opportunity of taking power (well, the limited power that body is allowed to have).
which of course raises the question if they have nothing to fear from an election why aren't they holding one - at least in Gaza which they control ?
An election to what?
Ah right so the 2006 election was more X factor than actual politics ? They just held an election because, sounds logical.
Ah right so the 2006 election was more X factor than actual politics ? They just held an election because, sounds logical.
They held an election to the Parliament in 2006. When the rest of the world decided it didnt like the result of the election it was effectively set aside.
Ah right so the 2006 election was more X factor than actual politics ? They just held an election because, sounds logical.
They held an election to the Parliament in 2006. When the rest of the world decided it didnt like the result of the election it was effectively set aside.
Oh right, so the world's to blame. Glad you cleared that up.
Ah right so the 2006 election was more X factor than actual politics ? They just held an election because, sounds logical.
They held an election to the Parliament in 2006. When the rest of the world decided it didnt like the result of the election it was effectively set aside.
Oh right, so the world's to blame. Glad you cleared that up.
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A few threads back I mused that we would probably end up fighting the Caliphate and it looks as if this will happen sooner rather than later.
Max PB is right that Islamic extremism is the biggest threat the world faces, not just in the Middle East but within our own societies and we need to deal with it both there and here. I hope - but rather fear not - that the politicians have the guts to do what it takes but judging by the rush to appeasement of those who threaten violence by the likes of Warsi and Milliband and Clegg I'm not hopeful.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/08/farage-stand-selection-south-thanet
Award yourself three sticks and a chunk of flint.
I argued the same point with Mr Pole 4 years ago, today simply proves Osborne's a numpty.
That's a preposterous way of measuring in these circumstances what's succeeding or failing, do you want us to implement Hollande-nomics to close the gap by impoverishing us all?
......While watching Russia and keeping an eye on China, and fighting the wars on drugs, and as for Africa?
and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction.
Matthew 7:13-14
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As a noted person once said "the definition of madness is repeating the same thing over and over again hoping for a different result" (praphrased)
I am now a marked man. The best I can now hope for is a really big outdoor 5am Meow session (the one that wakes the neighbours), but I fear the worst. I think I might get, not only elephants on the upstairs landing at 0200, but also "I know you want to sleep so to help I am going to sit on your head and sing". He will probably sulk too, which means sitting with his back to Herself this evening. She will blame me, so I will get it from both directions.
That would be a right royal ding-dong!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/10952459/Starting-salaries-rise-at-record-rate.html
"Data from the REC/KPMG report on jobs show 38.3pc of employers had to pay more in June than in the previous month to lure staff, compared with 58.2pc who said pay had not moved and 3.5pc who were paying less.
On the survey’s indexed scale, this gave a reading of 67.4 – well above the 50 mark which separates pay increases and decreases. It was also the highest reading since the survey launched 1997. Pay has now risen for 26 months."
Osborne has been a fairly useless chancellor and the sooner he moves on the better. One day we might actually get a reformer in the job instead of Gordon Brown in slow motion.
Last September parliament (and the media) gave a very, very clear signal that they will not tolerate any more military adventures. The whole mess was compounded by the game playing of that sh*t Ed Milliband.
Who could possibly trust Ed and thus the Labour Party on another matter of intervention?
Cameron was lucky to survive that fiasco and I don't for a second blame him for being wary in the extreme now.
People need to understand that when a government is defeated in Parliament on matters of war and peace it will inevitably have profound and long-term consequences.
Want someome to blame for our inaction now? Try Ed Milliband and the Labour Party.
Can't live with 'em, can't drown 'em....
What is the normal parliamentary term in Gaza?
The current Hamas administration was elected in 2006, the elections pencilled in for 2012 didn't happen. So when does the mandate for the government in Gaza actually run out?
The agreement between Hamas and Fatah earlier this year provided for new elections within 6 months. Given all that has happened since then that aim seems .. ambitious!
I'm not happy about this, but that's the consequence's of what happened last year. The PM and the government will not put their credibility on the line in such a way again.
I'm just waiting now for Ed Milliband to start wringing his hands about our inaction in Iraq. That will surely be the cheery on the cake!
Play must resume by 6:00pm to allow the extra 90 minutes and a 7:30 finish.
Great PR for cricket.
festina lente
Anyway, well done for bringing the trade figures to our attention. The sooner people stop focusing on growf (i.e. the increase of a figure that they don't understand) and start to focus on a measure of prosperity then the sooner we might start to make our way out of the current mess.
There was no UK general election for 10 years because of the little matter of that Austrian corporal.
The Tory is ex-UKIP deputy leader, Craig McKinley.
Interesting...
I noticed from one of the graphs that one of our biggest deficits was with Norway. So much for our energy policies and it can only get worse imo as N Sea resources run down.
On the other hand, Farage just takes half the Labour and Tory vote and just wins outright with 20,000-odd.
Don't thank me all at once
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Thanet_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
Even with Nigel Farage contesting the seat it look's a tall order to over-turn that sort of lead in one election to me?
The election in 2015 can be won by any party and will be determined by the voters in 2015. Given we have a Tory-led government now there's no reason why any outcome in the referendum prevents or assures the same outcome next year. Especially since regardless of Yes or No there will still be Scottish MPs in 2015 until independence if happens.
If not .... then four weeks in ConHome.
Not sure what Jacks Arse say's Re. this, though?
I'm not sure that the accusation that Hamas is running away from elections (if that's what it is) stacks up. Hamas won the last election and so that process had to be put aside by other actors (USA / EU boycott etc.) leaving Hamas in power in Gaza only. I havent seen any opinion polling recently but Hamas doesnt strike me as being particularly unpopular in the occupied territories and I would expect them to do well in any election. You are right that any time Hamas and Fatah look to be on the verge of reconciling that something always appears to crop up to interfere with that. Again Hamas wouldnt be at the top of my suspect list for groups seeking to undermine those initiatives.
ELBOW - Electoral Leader-board of the Week.
The potential SeanT-sponsored US airstrike intervention in Iraq does look justified to save the beleagured people, for the reasons he eloquently set out. But I'm not sure what Britain would have to add to it. I may be over-learning the lesson from Iraq, but I'd need a lot of convincing now that any British involvement is needed. And I was against intervening in Libya too (unlike the Labour party on that one), and have seen nothing happening there to make me think again.
Mind you, having, rightly slagged off Cameron and the Remove, don't ask the obvious question. Miliband seems to be some sort of student who hasn't grown up yet and is surrounded by total wankers. Clegg is a bit like Miliband but with less integrity. Farage is probably barking when it comes to serious politics and government, but he does have this knack of saying what lots of people are thinking.
If they can't do it in by elections, I just don't see it in a general election.
The consequences of which are that we will not be getting involved in any more military engagements for the foreseeable future.
Mind to be fair .... it's never been known to rain in Manchester ....
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2014/07/08/who-started-the-cycle-of-violence-in-palestine/
As Jesus said to the Pahrisees 'Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.' Applies to the fifth column in this country too.
A repeat offence will ensure your permanent membership of the Ed Miliband Glee Club.
Sunday expect even more torrential rain
Dont lay the draw!!!
Utterly disgraceful. Old Trafford should be removed from the test match rota until further notice.
"The consequences of which are that we will not be getting involved in any more military engagements for the foreseeable future."
You obviously missed the news, the RAF is to start flying operations over northern Iraq. Just humanitarian drops and support of the USA in terms of refuelling and intelligence, you understand. No actual combat as such - for the moment.
England will need to press on fast given forecast for Sunday/ Monday