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edited August 2014 in General

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » As the Salmond v Darling debate begins – Ipsos-Mori publishes a poll that gives Salmond and yes a boost

 

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  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,087
    Go on Salmond tear old Darling a new one.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,042
    Salmond wins round one.
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    Both Darling and Salmond looking and sounding nervous.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,184
    Still no STV player. What a tartan shambles.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Salmond wins round one.

    His argument resonates in any inner city Labour heartland.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    rottenborough said:

    Still no STV player. What a tartan shambles.

    Trying refresh browser and re-signin.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,042
    DaemonBarber said:

    Both Darling and Salmond looking and sounding nervous.

    I think they both know, if they mess it up, they change their country forever.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Phew! I'm in.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Salmond: children and disabled into poverty because of Westminster laws.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,603
    MarkHopkins said:

    rottenborough said:

    Still no STV player. What a tartan shambles.

    Trying refresh browser and re-signin.
    Didn't work for me. Oh well, I'll have to catch a replay.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Yes should be pleased. They are 14 bloody points behind. A landslide in any other language. Who writes this stuff ?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,048
    Can confirm the zattoo website works with just a free signup.

    http://zattoo.com/watch/stv
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,237
    Salmond from one clip on twitter just came out with same old, this is chance to get rid of evil Tories clichés!
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Salmond's arguments that didn't get government they voted for can equally be used to give independence to Cornwall or the South East.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    From what I can read, Salmond is playing Robin Hood and Darling his boring self.
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    The Chair is a bit useless.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    RobD said:

    Can confirm the zattoo website works with just a free signup.

    http://zattoo.com/watch/stv

    Thanks!!
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Darling: I didn't vote for [Salmond] but am stuck with him.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,184
    kle4 said:

    MarkHopkins said:

    rottenborough said:

    Still no STV player. What a tartan shambles.

    Trying refresh browser and re-signin.
    Didn't work for me. Oh well, I'll have to catch a replay.
    Still trying refresh. Getting bored now...

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,048
    Danny565 said:

    RobD said:

    Can confirm the zattoo website works with just a free signup.

    http://zattoo.com/watch/stv

    Thanks!!
    Not sure if it is geographically restricted, I'm using a UK-based proxy to connect. Still, seamless video, unlike the crock of shite which is the STVPlayer.
  • GadflyOnHolidayGadflyOnHoliday Posts: 9
    Curse of the new thread.

    Anybody struggling to access the debate may wish to try putting a Freeview box through its Initial Installation process using a Glaswegian postcode of G2 4PP. This worked for me using a Freeview box.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Darling: best of both worlds, dont take risks.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,048
    SeanT said:

    Oh dear. The panda joke from Salmond. Tut. Tumbleweed.

    Argh I think I am a few minutes behind. Spoils the fun of reading PB at the same time :p
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,048
    WTF. Why is the debate being interrupted by inane commentary.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,042
    I'm not liking the format of this debate.

    Spin room FFS
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672
    Lots of preaching to the converted. No real blows as yet.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,048
    and adverts. Jesus.
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    Argh. Break for the "spin room". What kind of half arsed debate is this? Feckin STV, the poor quality Scottish broadcaster could put people off voting Yes!
  • hucks67hucks67 Posts: 758
    STV online is working in England now and not freezing as much.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,042
    I think I understand the purpose of this debate.

    It's to allow Nats and Unionists to agree on one thing, the format of this debate is crap.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,175
    I'd be amazed if the debate changes the polling enough for Salmond to get his way - despite the move to Yes 14% is still a hefty gap to bridge in a few weeks.
  • pinball13pinball13 Posts: 83
    Got STV player working just in time for the adverts!
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    edited August 2014
    Sam Coates Times ‏@SamCoatesTimes 17 mins

    Want to watch independence debate in England? Broken STV player? Download iphone app TvCatchup, set to "Glasgow" ITV region and it works....
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    The audience is raising some right issues, how can there be a single country without the same currency (much less the same media).
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672
    SeanT said:

    This doesn't feel like a gamechanger yet. Nowhere near.

    Salmond definitely has the best lines, but he can't get away from the fact he is asking Scots to take a huge risk. If he's wrong, they're buggered.

    Interesting the biggest cheer so far was about trying to pay for a London cab with a Scottish £20 note.

  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited August 2014
    RobD said:

    and adverts. Jesus.

    I think it rather quaint - like watching TV from the 80's...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,048
    BBC may have its faults, but you know they can do this sort of thing properly.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    SouthamObserver said:

    SeanT said:

    This doesn't feel like a gamechanger yet. Nowhere near.

    Salmond definitely has the best lines, but he can't get away from the fact he is asking Scots to take a huge risk. If he's wrong, they're buggered.

    Interesting the biggest cheer so far was about trying to pay for a London cab with a Scottish £20 note.

    They are right, scottish notes are unnecessary and confusing, they should be abolished.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,237
    STV Player now coming up with 'Segment loading security violation. Video playback not possible.' Any suggestions?
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    PB descritors are appreciated here. It's like seeing things with many faceted eyes.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,042
    Now that was a zinger from Ali Darling.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,005
    Good evening, everyone.

    Two contrary things to consider:
    Brown wasn't expected to debate well. When he failed to defecate in his undergarments live on air it was portrayed as a decent performance.

    Clegg wasn't expected to debate well. Apart from some blatant massive lies, he did alright (against Farage), and got murdered by the press coverage (and audience views, to be fair).

    How will Darling fare?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,048
    HYUFD said:

    STV Player now coming up with 'Segment loading security violation. Video playback not possible.' Any suggestions?

    http://zattoo.com/watch/stv

    Sign up here, this worked for me!
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    STV Player now coming up with 'Segment loading security violation. Video playback not possible.' Any suggestions?

    STV ‏@WeAreSTV 4m
    We're still working on fixing the live stream. The debate will be available online in full a few hours after the programme has finished.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,379
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Now that was a zinger from Ali Darling.

    What was it, please?



  • pinball13pinball13 Posts: 83
    HYUFD said:

    STV Player now coming up with 'Segment loading security violation. Video playback not possible.' Any suggestions?

    Refresh and sign in again - it worked for me, eventually.

  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Knock out blow by Darling. It's over.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672
    Salmond is going to need some good comeback questions. The currency is killing him.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,042
    Cyclefree said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Now that was a zinger from Ali Darling.

    What was it, please?



    I want you to consider that you might be wrong.

    It was the tone, that made it so impressive.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Darling pounding Salmond with the Pound.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,237
    pinball13 Thanks
  • GadflyOnHolidayGadflyOnHoliday Posts: 9
    Go Alistair!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,048
    Cyclefree said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Now that was a zinger from Ali Darling.

    What was it, please?



    "I know this will be hard, but contemplate for a moment that you might be wrong".. or something along those lines. Regarding the proposed currency union.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,042
    Salmond getting pounded like a Dockside hooker over the pound.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,048
    Has the word 'millstone' been mentioned yet?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,785
    Salmond floundering on the currency, as to be expected.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,237
    Speedy Oh, thanks very much STV a few hours AFTER the debate is finished, the rUK might be able to watch the most crucial debate in the UK's history. Glad to see the most crucial night in your channel's history has been such a triumph, NOT!!
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    RobD said:

    Cyclefree said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Now that was a zinger from Ali Darling.

    What was it, please?



    "I know this will be hard, but contemplate for a moment that you might be wrong".. or something along those lines. Regarding the proposed currency union.
    I'm going with this:

    “A currency union is stupidity on stilts. It only works if you have a political union”
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    I think Darling may be over egging it slightly now. He does have other questions eh?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,042
    RobD said:

    Has the word 'millstone' been mentioned yet?

    Yes
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    SouthamObserver said:

    Salmond is going to need some good comeback questions. The currency is killing him.

    Not if you judge the response of the audience by the clapping – the whole subject of the £ appears to go completely over their heads. – Darling has improved slightly on his opening statement, however .
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,048
    SimonStClare said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Salmond is going to need some good comeback questions. The currency is killing him.

    Not if you judge the response of the audience by the clapping – the whole subject of the £ appears to go completely over their heads. – Darling has improved slightly on his opening statement, however .
    There is too much clapping and noise coming from the audience, IMO.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Salmond close to tears. A disaster.
  • GadflyOnHolidayGadflyOnHoliday Posts: 9
    Salmond now reminding me of the Hamas guy who was interviewed by Jon Snow last week. "I can't answer your question, so I will dig up some history".
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    malgollum gone quiet.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Good evening, everyone.

    Two contrary things to consider:
    Brown wasn't expected to debate well. When he failed to defecate in his undergarments live on air it was portrayed as a decent performance.

    Clegg wasn't expected to debate well. Apart from some blatant massive lies, he did alright (against Farage), and got murdered by the press coverage (and audience views, to be fair).

    How will Darling fare?

    Clegg wasn't expected to debate well? It's what his whole public persona was built on wasn't it?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,379
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Now that was a zinger from Ali Darling.

    What was it, please?



    I want you to consider that you might be wrong.

    It was the tone, that made it so impressive.
    Thank you.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,042
    RobD said:

    SimonStClare said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Salmond is going to need some good comeback questions. The currency is killing him.

    Not if you judge the response of the audience by the clapping – the whole subject of the £ appears to go completely over their heads. – Darling has improved slightly on his opening statement, however .
    There is too much clapping and noise coming from the audience, IMO.
    The format of this debate is Ed Miliband crap
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,785
    Increase public spending by 3%. Life on candy mountain.
    Too many percentages flying around.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,237
    RobD Thanks, FINALLY got it!!
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Did anyone really think that us Scots .... Scots of all people, would vote for independence and a currency nobody but nobody knew anything about !!

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    How's Darling doing? Not too boring I hope.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Eh, I think Darling is coming across awfully. And I'm a Labour supporter.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,005
    Mr. Isam, poorly phrased. I meant Clegg was expected to lose the debate for popularity and subject matter reasons, but he didn't so much get beaten as thrashed to within an inch of his life.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy Oh, thanks very much STV a few hours AFTER the debate is finished, the rUK might be able to watch the most crucial debate in the UK's history. Glad to see the most crucial night in your channel's history has been such a triumph, NOT!!

    STV, showcasting cutting edge scottish technology.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,042
    Somebody's going to rue the day

    Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 53s

    Salmond coming over as condescending & patronising. Bad
  • volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078
    Darling ahead on points on the currency debate.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,048
    AndyJS said:

    How's Darling doing? Not too boring I hope.

    No, lol.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    This bit is a good old ding-dong. Better a twosome than a threesome (phnar).
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    Danny565 said:

    Eh, I think Darling is coming across awfully. And I'm a Labour supporter.

    Nonsense Darling is making mincemeat of Salmond
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,785
    Right hand side driving! Outer space. ... for God’s sake.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,048
    edited August 2014
    Seriously! Alien attacks?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    I declare the pound debate as Salmond's Clegg moment.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,042
    Carola said:

    This bit is a good old ding-dong. Better a twosome than a threesome (phnar).

    So the Prime Ministerial debates should either be be a twosome or a foursome. No threesome.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,237
    Speedy Indeed, finally got it through Zattoo. Darling seemingly hardhitting, Salmond more relaxed but smug
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,042
    Has someone put LSD in my redbull, or did Salmond just talk about Space Attacks?
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Salmond a tragic clown.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Andrew Neil (@afneil)
    05/08/2014 20:18
    The one night rest of UK WANTS to watch STV AND their systems freeze. Useless.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672
    This is just dreadful from Salmond. There must be some method in this madness.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Salmond playing the man not the ball - I don't think we'll get a straight answer from him on any subject this evening.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited August 2014
    Trying to watch here but it isn't working:

    http://player.stv.tv/live/

    Obviously can't cope with the volume of traffic.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,042
    SouthamObserver said:

    This is just dreadful from Salmond. There must be some method in this madness.

    Note how many times he mentions England instead of rump UK.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Carola said:

    This bit is a good old ding-dong. Better a twosome than a threesome (phnar).

    So the Prime Ministerial debates should either be be a twosome or a foursome. No threesome.
    We could do it as a knockout. Winner stays on.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,048
    AndyJS said:

    Trying to watch here but it isn't working:

    http://player.stv.tv/live/

    Obviously can't cope with the volume of traffic.

    Sign up here:

    http://zattoo.com/watch/stv

    Works flawlessly for me.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,005
    I can confirm I have declined Salmond's request to relocate the space cannon project to Scotland.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Has someone put LSD in my redbull, or did Salmond just talk about Space Attacks?

    Did it jump a shark as well?
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,175
    How long are they debating for?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited August 2014
    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    Trying to watch here but it isn't working:

    http://player.stv.tv/live/

    Obviously can't cope with the volume of traffic.

    Sign up here:

    http://zattoo.com/watch/stv

    Works flawlessly for me.
    Thanks but I can't be bothered to sign up just for this.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,042
    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics 42s

    After 45mins: Currency debate pulls it back for Darling, now ahead; Salmond slips into negative ratings #ScotDecides

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuTLB3eIIAEZh1h.png
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,184
    isam said:

    Andrew Neil (@afneil)
    05/08/2014 20:18
    The one night rest of UK WANTS to watch STV AND their systems freeze. Useless.

    Well said. I've refreshed about 20x and still nothing.
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