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  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,645
    JackW said:

    @bigjohnowls

    Clearly so.

    The moves have been at the margin. A notable feature of my ARSE projection has been the stability of the numbers within a narrow range. However this shouldn't be too much of a surprise as the factors within the projection have so far been correctly forecast.

    OK I am obviously new to this with my BJESUS but the volaitlity of your Arse is much more over last 6 weeks than my BJESUS. Why?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Paywall - Dominic Grieve may have just given Ed Miliband a load of ammunition

    David Cameron risks comparisons with President Putin of Russia if he presses ahead with “foolish” plans to give MPs a veto over human rights court rulings, the man whom he dismissed as attorney-general says in a speech to be given today (tuesday)

    Dynamite !

    But Cam will do anything to appease the raving Right !
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    Miliband admits to Obama he wants to be the next PM of the UK. pic.twitter.com/1AhUbFK3ec

    — Liar MPs (@LiarMPs) July 21, 2014
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Paywall - Dominic Grieve may have just given Ed Miliband a load of ammunition

    David Cameron risks comparisons with President Putin of Russia if he presses ahead with “foolish” plans to give MPs a veto over human rights court rulings, the man whom he dismissed as attorney-general says in a speech to be given today (tuesday)


    Sun Politics @Sun_Politics

    EXCL: Migrant flood has hit schools and homes, landmark govt report reveals: http://bit.ly/1p8x3ya

    This looks interesting behind the paywall,may leave some on here look abit foolish.(Tim)

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,575
    Floater Surely a matter for the voters to decide, and while Obama and the Democrats want Britain in the EU the likes of the Tea Party would very much welcome a UK exit
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,006
    edited July 2014
    Flightpath wrote:
    "You will have to forgive me because I genuinely do not know the answer to this question
    But after Big Bang in what way were we different from other financial markets? If we somehow had a magical advantage then did our cometitors do nothing or did they emulate us?

    My reason for asking is that if there were some consequences peculiar to Big Bang then surely the whole world is involved.
    Plus at the end of the day its the govt of the day's reponsibility to regulate financial services".

    Speaking in 2010 Nigel Lawson (Mrs T's Chancellor at the time of the "Big Bang" ) admitted that the 2008 financial crises was an unintended consequence of "big Bang". In very simple terms he stated that after deregulation UK investment banks which had previously very cautious in investing what was their own money merged with high street banks and started putting depositors' savings at risk and, US banks then followed suit. Certainly subsequent governments could have tightened financial regulation but in many peoples view it was what took place in 1986 actions that let the cat out of the bag so to speak.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069

    One for Scrapheap and Southam

    Telegraph Football ‏@TeleFootball

    Tottenham eye £25m Antoine Griezmann as successor to Gareth Bale - @Matt_Law_DT reports http://fw.to/6dSzjNY

    I'm not going to get much sleep tonight......
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Also looking at the Telegraph I spotted this which I suspect might feature in UKIP campaigns

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10981598/Pupils-at-Suffolk-primary-school-speak-58-languages.html

    471 pupils and 58 languages.

    "Lee Abbot, the head teacher at Hillside Community Primary School, denied that more money and time would be spent on these children."

    on the other hand

    " it has had to employ multilingual teachers."

    "Graham White, secretary of the National Union of Teachers in Suffolk, said pupils whose first language is not English adds pressure onto the education system.
    He said: "Say you have got 30 pupils and 10 don't speak English obviously you are going to spend a disproportionate amount of time on those children because it takes longer to explain things to them."


    Also means schools are over subscribed - as I found when I moved to Colchester.

  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789

    BobaFett said:

    BobaFett said:

    isam said:

    England wicketkeeper Matt Prior stands down from Test cricket for the rest of the summer due to injury

    Jumped before he was pushed more like.

    Bring in Read or Foster, let them captain the team and remove the burden from Cook.
    I thought exactly that. No need for big upheaval, let Cook just bat.

    Jordan for stokes maybe, and that'll do,
    Effing depressing day at Lord's, seeing us blown away like schoolboys to a bit of naughty bowling from India. All credit to our opponents - men against boys.

    I like Stokes but sadly he cannot continue given his recent batting record, which reads like a display on a doughnut stall.

    Cook has to lose the captaincy and Foster deserves a go with the gloves. I suspect that the ECB may go for Buttler though due to the modern theory that the keeper has to be a batter.
    I really like Stokes too and have high hopes for him, but his batting has been abysmal this summer. I think he is a better bowler that Jordan though and with Ali at six then Stokes at eight is OK, he will come good with the bat soon. Botham reckons Broad might be carrying an injury, might be a good time to give him a rest.
    A wildcard choice might be to let Root skipper the side. Graeme Smith skippered the Saffers at a similarly tender age.
    Jimmy Anderson?
    Jimmy looks tired out to me - not sure captaincy is what he needs at the moment. Also, you face the oak-aged problem of a bowler having to decide when to bowl himself...
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Tykejohnno

    "Migrant flood has hit schools and homes"

    Not building homes and opening schools in the wrong places might have an effect as well. Says well known Pragmatic Communist .
    (OK not that well known)
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    BobaFett said:

    BobaFett said:

    isam said:

    England wicketkeeper Matt Prior stands down from Test cricket for the rest of the summer due to injury

    Jumped before he was pushed more like.

    Bring in Read or Foster, let them captain the team and remove the burden from Cook.
    I thought exactly that. No need for big upheaval, let Cook just bat.

    Jordan for stokes maybe, and that'll do,
    Effing depressing day at Lord's, seeing us blown away like schoolboys to a bit of naughty bowling from India. All credit to our opponents - men against boys.

    I like Stokes but sadly he cannot continue given his recent batting record, which reads like a display on a doughnut stall.

    Cook has to lose the captaincy and Foster deserves a go with the gloves. I suspect that the ECB may go for Buttler though due to the modern theory that the keeper has to be a batter.
    I really like Stokes too and have high hopes for him, but his batting has been abysmal this summer. I think he is a better bowler that Jordan though and with Ali at six then Stokes at eight is OK, he will come good with the bat soon. Botham reckons Broad might be carrying an injury, might be a good time to give him a rest.
    A wildcard choice might be to let Root skipper the side. Graeme Smith skippered the Saffers at a similarly tender age.
    Jimmy Anderson?
    He alongwith Broad were the two biggest culprits. Wasting the new ball on a custom made green top.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821

    A strict belief in anything is dangerous IMO.

    Yes! Socialism being a good example.

    We'll make a Cameroon, one-nation Conservative of you yet, Nick!
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:



    Obviously I don't know your friends personally, but we are talking in broad terms here...

    Not in your original post, if you look at it - you expressed scepticism about the specific friends I was talking about. That's why I was teasing you, and it was genuinely meant to be a joke. Let's move on?

    In reply to Nigel - briefly, I mostly think we'd be a happier society if we were in a number of respects more like Scandinavia. I don't think constituents would be surprised to hear it's what I think. They haven't found a UKIP candidate yet - perhaps you'd like to have a go and we can see what people in the constituency prefer?

    I disagree that devoutly religious people can be as open minded and laid back as everyone you meet seems to be, but I don't know Broxtowe... Maybe people are different there
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Floater said:

    I don't even think Ed had to chase POTUS into the kitchen

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/10981593/Ed-Miliband-meets-Barack-Obama-at-the-White-House.html

    Ed really wants to stay in the EU, just like the Americans want.

    "Mr Miliband promised Mr Obama that a Labour government would stand "unambiguously" for Britain to remain in Europe amid growing fears in the White House that the UK could leave the EU"

    ""I'm going to the White House because I want to be prime minister of Britain in less than 10 months. It's incredibly important, and I think this is what the British people would want, to have a prime minister who works closely with the US," Mr Miliband said before the meeting."

    Yes Ed, slavishly follow America just like god old Tony, what could go wrong?

    I am a bit disappointed. I wanted Ed to start the United States of Europe campaign. What better place to start !
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,645
    Can we not use some of the taxes these immigrants are contributing to open a few schools or have we wasted that on Gove and Tobys pet project
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    BobaFett said:

    BobaFett said:

    BobaFett said:

    isam said:

    England wicketkeeper Matt Prior stands down from Test cricket for the rest of the summer due to injury

    Jumped before he was pushed more like.

    Bring in Read or Foster, let them captain the team and remove the burden from Cook.
    I thought exactly that. No need for big upheaval, let Cook just bat.

    Jordan for stokes maybe, and that'll do,
    Effing depressing day at Lord's, seeing us blown away like schoolboys to a bit of naughty bowling from India. All credit to our opponents - men against boys.

    I like Stokes but sadly he cannot continue given his recent batting record, which reads like a display on a doughnut stall.

    Cook has to lose the captaincy and Foster deserves a go with the gloves. I suspect that the ECB may go for Buttler though due to the modern theory that the keeper has to be a batter.
    I really like Stokes too and have high hopes for him, but his batting has been abysmal this summer. I think he is a better bowler that Jordan though and with Ali at six then Stokes at eight is OK, he will come good with the bat soon. Botham reckons Broad might be carrying an injury, might be a good time to give him a rest.
    A wildcard choice might be to let Root skipper the side. Graeme Smith skippered the Saffers at a similarly tender age.
    Jimmy Anderson?
    Jimmy looks tired out to me - not sure captaincy is what he needs at the moment. Also, you face the oak-aged problem of a bowler having to decide when to bowl himself...
    I looked earlier for an experienced county captain who could come in and take the pressure off Cook, while justifying his place in the side on merit...

    With the news of Priors injury, Chris Read or James Foster fit the bill for the rest if the series IMO

    Always nice to have an Essex boy in charge, (Fletcher, Goochie, Nass and Cook) so let's have Fozzie, the words best keeper
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @bigjohnowls
    The "market" decides for the most part where the Govetories are built, The "market" being the "yummy mummies"
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,439
    Apologies for the language

    But what fecking Bell end thought starting a test match in England on a SUNDAY was a good idea?
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    JackW said:

    @bigjohnowls

    Clearly so.

    The moves have been at the margin. A notable feature of my ARSE projection has been the stability of the numbers within a narrow range. However this shouldn't be too much of a surprise as the factors within the projection have so far been correctly forecast.

    OK I am obviously new to this with my BJESUS but the volaitlity of your Arse is much more over last 6 weeks than my BJESUS. Why?
    I can't account for your own pale imitation but I'm unaware of any significant volatility over the last six weeks for my ARSE.

    The range for Labour has been 271-282 and the Conservatives 307-315.

  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    JackW said:

    JackW said:

    Hugh said:

    JackW said:

    Hugh said:

    JackW said:

    Hugh said:

    JackW said:

    Latest ARSE 2015 General Election Projection Countdown

    12 hours 12 minutes 12 seconds

    Oh my sides. This joke never wears thin.
    You think its an old joke.

    Those who follow my ARSE of old ensure their bank balance never wears thin.








    Careful, PBMODERATOR warned me the other night for calling someone an idiot.

    (When Socrates said that the UK spends £350billion a year on teaching English to immigrants)
    I'm afraid any PBer that contravenes the evidence of the veracity of my ARSE is by definition an idiot.

    I'm used to dealing with flat earthers like you and frankly you're void of practical use. When I noted a decade back that IDS was tending to the barking as a contender for PM I was heavily attacked by Tories here. The same extended in 2005 with Michael Howard.

    Strangely LibDems were not enamoured of me when I said Charles Kennedy had let the party down as a lazy drunk and Ming Campbell couldn't carry the party to a general election.

    Labour partisans abused me for contending Gordon would never be returned as PM in 2010 and the fact that a hung parliament loomed. Now they also rage that I say Ed is doomed.

    In all these cases I was correct and the reputation of my ARSE is unsurpassed.

    2015 trickiest one yet though.

    What I dont get is that your latest ARSE had Tories only a few seats more than LAB. Why are you so certain Ed will never be PM, Your ARSE is close to EICIPM so why such certainty. Obviously you could make significant money at odds against Tories most seats.

    Presumably you are backing that position?
    Not so.

    The last ARSE on 8th July was Con 307 Lab - 282

    The other factor I think you ignore is that ARSE is a projection for May 2015 and not one for the present as other projections follow.

    The certainty is simple. So far my model has correctly noted a number of indicators that help to make up the analysis. On that basis no projection has then found a Labour lead in seats or on the current situation is it likely to.



    Yes so if 13 seats go LAB instead of Tory. Your projection has moved to Ed in recent ARSES has it not?
    Then it will come up against another patch in the ARSE model. Which is Ed can never be PMOTUK.

    That is when the ARSE will bellow out black smoke with a not so aromatic....
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Sun Politics @Sun_Politics · 26s

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by four points: CON 34, LAB 38, LD 9, UKIP 11

    Ukip sinking down.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    isam said:

    BobaFett said:

    BobaFett said:

    BobaFett said:

    isam said:

    England wicketkeeper Matt Prior stands down from Test cricket for the rest of the summer due to injury

    Jumped before he was pushed more like.

    Bring in Read or Foster, let them captain the team and remove the burden from Cook.
    I thought exactly that. No need for big upheaval, let Cook just bat.

    Jordan for stokes maybe, and that'll do,
    Effing depressing day at Lord's, seeing us blown away like schoolboys to a bit of naughty bowling from India. All credit to our opponents - men against boys.

    I like Stokes but sadly he cannot continue given his recent batting record, which reads like a display on a doughnut stall.

    Cook has to lose the captaincy and Foster deserves a go with the gloves. I suspect that the ECB may go for Buttler though due to the modern theory that the keeper has to be a batter.
    I really like Stokes too and have high hopes for him, but his batting has been abysmal this summer. I think he is a better bowler that Jordan though and with Ali at six then Stokes at eight is OK, he will come good with the bat soon. Botham reckons Broad might be carrying an injury, might be a good time to give him a rest.
    A wildcard choice might be to let Root skipper the side. Graeme Smith skippered the Saffers at a similarly tender age.
    Jimmy Anderson?
    Jimmy looks tired out to me - not sure captaincy is what he needs at the moment. Also, you face the oak-aged problem of a bowler having to decide when to bowl himself...
    I looked earlier for an experienced county captain who could come in and take the pressure off Cook, while justifying his place in the side on merit...

    With the news of Priors injury, Chris Read or James Foster fit the bill for the rest if the series IMO

    Always nice to have an Essex boy in charge, (Fletcher, Goochie, Nass and Cook) so let's have Fozzie, the words best keeper
    I said that earlier, keep up or you'll give us Kippers a bad name!
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    TGOHF said:

    Sun Politics @Sun_Politics · 26s

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by four points: CON 34, LAB 38, LD 9, UKIP 11

    Ukip sinking down.
    Swingback has started...........to Labour !
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Embargo was baby pics ?
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    PoliticsHome @politicshome

    Tomorrow's @TheTimes front page: 'Stop selling warships to Russia, PM tells France'

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    surbiton said:

    TGOHF said:

    Sun Politics @Sun_Politics · 26s

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by four points: CON 34, LAB 38, LD 9, UKIP 11

    Ukip sinking down.
    Swingback has started...........to Labour !
    kippers from Labour left last - first to rejoin.

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,645

    Apologies for the language

    But what fecking Bell end thought starting a test match in England on a SUNDAY was a good idea?

    In Southampton too. ECB make some strange decisions like keeping the batsman who is averaging less than 24 in last 14 tests as captain
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,439
    TGOHF said:

    Embargo was baby pics ?

    Yup
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,979


    PoliticsHome @politicshome

    Tomorrow's @TheTimes front page: 'Stop selling warships to Russia, PM tells France'

    Getting into the habit of saying allies cannot sell weapons to potentially hostile or, at the least, rival nations, seems like it would backfire on us.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789

    Apologies for the language

    But what fecking Bell end thought starting a test match in England on a SUNDAY was a good idea?

    Is that what's happening? You have got to be kidding - the scheduling has got worse and worse in recent times and this is the zenith of the malaise.

    That the Test won't include a Friday or a Saturday is a disgrace - yet more evidence that the schedulers have completely lost touch with the paying public.

    Or maybe they are just being kind to us.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Apologies for the language

    But what fecking Bell end thought starting a test match in England on a SUNDAY was a good idea?

    In Southampton too. ECB make some strange decisions like keeping the batsman who is averaging less than 24 in last 14 tests as captain
    A sell out as likely as Ed being PM.

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    BobaFett said:

    BobaFett said:

    BobaFett said:

    isam said:

    England wicketkeeper Matt Prior stands down from Test cricket for the rest of the summer due to injury

    Jumped before he was pushed more like.

    Bring in Read or Foster, let them captain the team and remove the burden from Cook.
    I thought exactly that. No need for big upheaval, let Cook just bat.

    Jordan for stokes maybe, and that'll do,
    Effing depressing day at Lord's, seeing us blown away like schoolboys to a bit of naughty bowling from India. All credit to our opponents - men against boys.

    I like Stokes but sadly he cannot continue given his recent batting record, which reads like a display on a doughnut stall.

    Cook has to lose the captaincy and Foster deserves a go with the gloves. I suspect that the ECB may go for Buttler though due to the modern theory that the keeper has to be a batter.
    I really like Stokes too and have high hopes for him, but his batting has been abysmal this summer. I think he is a better bowler that Jordan though and with Ali at six then Stokes at eight is OK, he will come good with the bat soon. Botham reckons Broad might be carrying an injury, might be a good time to give him a rest.
    A wildcard choice might be to let Root skipper the side. Graeme Smith skippered the Saffers at a similarly tender age.
    Jimmy Anderson?
    Jimmy looks tired out to me - not sure captaincy is what he needs at the moment. Also, you face the oak-aged problem of a bowler having to decide when to bowl himself...
    I looked earlier for an experienced county captain who could come in and take the pressure off Cook, while justifying his place in the side on merit...

    With the news of Priors injury, Chris Read or James Foster fit the bill for the rest if the series IMO

    Always nice to have an Essex boy in charge, (Fletcher, Goochie, Nass and Cook) so let's have Fozzie, the words best keeper
    I said that earlier, keep up or you'll give us Kippers a bad name!
    Sorry! As your comment was earlier in the thread I was responding to I thought I didn't need to acknowledge that it was your idea....

    Good idea mate ha!
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789

    TGOHF said:

    Embargo was baby pics ?

    Yup
    Zzzzzzzzzzz. Woman has baby. Baby grows a bit.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    I saw this very same picture in the Times today, I think. In the inside pages. So, what's new ?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,439
    BobaFett said:

    Apologies for the language

    But what fecking Bell end thought starting a test match in England on a SUNDAY was a good idea?

    Is that what's happening? You have got to be kidding - the scheduling has got worse and worse in recent times and this is the zenith of the malaise.

    That the Test won't include a Friday or a Saturday is a disgrace - yet more evidence that the schedulers have completely lost touch with the paying public.

    Or maybe they are just being kind to us.
    Yeah, next test starts Sunday.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    TGOHF said:

    Sun Politics @Sun_Politics · 26s

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by four points: CON 34, LAB 38, LD 9, UKIP 11

    Ukip sinking down.
    Pahahaha troll!! ;)
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @kle4
    Is there a headline where Cameron tells the "City" to impose sanctions?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549


    PoliticsHome @politicshome

    Tomorrow's @TheTimes front page: 'Stop selling warships to Russia, PM tells France'

    Hollande should strike back and say "Stop letting Russia us ethe City of London" !

    How do we know it was not the Nazi loving Ukranians ?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    isam said:

    TGOHF said:

    Sun Politics @Sun_Politics · 26s

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by four points: CON 34, LAB 38, LD 9, UKIP 11

    Ukip sinking down.
    Pahahaha troll!! ;)
    12% is the new 13% for yougov Kippers.

    G
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    isam said:

    isam said:

    BobaFett said:

    BobaFett said:

    BobaFett said:

    isam said:

    England wicketkeeper Matt Prior stands down from Test cricket for the rest of the summer due to injury

    Jumped before he was pushed more like.

    Bring in Read or Foster, let them captain the team and remove the burden from Cook.
    I thought exactly that. No need for big upheaval, let Cook just bat.

    Jordan for stokes maybe, and that'll do,
    Effing depressing day at Lord's, seeing us blown away like schoolboys to a bit of naughty bowling from India. All credit to our opponents - men against boys.

    I like Stokes but sadly he cannot continue given his recent batting record, which reads like a display on a doughnut stall.

    Cook has to lose the captaincy and Foster deserves a go with the gloves. I suspect that the ECB may go for Buttler though due to the modern theory that the keeper has to be a batter.
    I really like Stokes too and have high hopes for him, but his batting has been abysmal this summer. I think he is a better bowler that Jordan though and with Ali at six then Stokes at eight is OK, he will come good with the bat soon. Botham reckons Broad might be carrying an injury, might be a good time to give him a rest.
    A wildcard choice might be to let Root skipper the side. Graeme Smith skippered the Saffers at a similarly tender age.
    Jimmy Anderson?
    Jimmy looks tired out to me - not sure captaincy is what he needs at the moment. Also, you face the oak-aged problem of a bowler having to decide when to bowl himself...
    I looked earlier for an experienced county captain who could come in and take the pressure off Cook, while justifying his place in the side on merit...

    With the news of Priors injury, Chris Read or James Foster fit the bill for the rest if the series IMO

    Always nice to have an Essex boy in charge, (Fletcher, Goochie, Nass and Cook) so let's have Fozzie, the words best keeper
    I said that earlier, keep up or you'll give us Kippers a bad name!
    Sorry! As your comment was earlier in the thread I was responding to I thought I didn't need to acknowledge that it was your idea....

    Good idea mate ha!
    I was only taking the piss!
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    TGOHF said:

    isam said:

    TGOHF said:

    Sun Politics @Sun_Politics · 26s

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by four points: CON 34, LAB 38, LD 9, UKIP 11

    Ukip sinking down.
    Pahahaha troll!! ;)
    12% is the new 13% for yougov Kippers.

    G
    Haha yeah that's ok with me
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    surbiton said:


    PoliticsHome @politicshome

    Tomorrow's @TheTimes front page: 'Stop selling warships to Russia, PM tells France'

    Hollande should strike back and say "Stop letting Russia us ethe City of London" !

    How do we know it was not the Nazi loving Ukranians ?
    Yep,does seem a silly comment from cam,haven't seen the story but could cam have said that after hollande made the first remark to Cameron about the city of london ;-)
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523


    PoliticsHome @politicshome

    Tomorrow's @TheTimes front page: 'Stop selling warships to Russia, PM tells France'

    Cameron trying to get Britain out of the EU after all - kewl.

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,306


    PoliticsHome @politicshome

    Tomorrow's @TheTimes front page: 'Stop selling warships to Russia, PM tells France'

    God the man is such a bloody tool. Almost makes me look forward to the diplomatic finesse of Prime Minister Milliband.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,487


    PoliticsHome @politicshome

    Tomorrow's @TheTimes front page: 'Stop selling warships to Russia, PM tells France'

    I wonder if Cameron favours a united EU response to Russia, or individual member states doing their own thing?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,979
    Apparently the city of Mosul is now completely free of Christians. Sad to see, especially as such things would not happen if it did not have significant support among the populations across the region, or at the least not enough opposition to it to prevent it from happening.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    isam said:

    BobaFett said:

    BobaFett said:

    BobaFett said:

    isam said:

    England wicketkeeper Matt Prior stands down from Test cricket for the rest of the summer due to injury

    Jumped before he was pushed more like.

    Bring in Read or Foster, let them captain the team and remove the burden from Cook.
    I thought exactly that. No need for big upheaval, let Cook just bat.

    Jordan for stokes maybe, and that'll do,
    Effing depressing day at Lord's, seeing us blown away like schoolboys to a bit of naughty bowling from India. All credit to our opponents - men against boys.

    I like Stokes but sadly he cannot continue given his recent batting record, which reads like a display on a doughnut stall.

    Cook has to lose the captaincy and Foster deserves a go with the gloves. I suspect that the ECB may go for Buttler though due to the modern theory that the keeper has to be a batter.
    I really like Stokes too and have high hopes for him, but his batting has been abysmal this summer. I think he is a better bowler that Jordan though and with Ali at six then Stokes at eight is OK, he will come good with the bat soon. Botham reckons Broad might be carrying an injury, might be a good time to give him a rest.
    A wildcard choice might be to let Root skipper the side. Graeme Smith skippered the Saffers at a similarly tender age.
    Jimmy Anderson?
    Jimmy looks tired out to me - not sure captaincy is what he needs at the moment. Also, you face the oak-aged problem of a bowler having to decide when to bowl himself...
    I looked earlier for an experienced county captain who could come in and take the pressure off Cook, while justifying his place in the side on merit...

    With the news of Priors injury, Chris Read or James Foster fit the bill for the rest if the series IMO

    Always nice to have an Essex boy in charge, (Fletcher, Goochie, Nass and Cook) so let's have Fozzie, the words best keeper
    I said that earlier, keep up or you'll give us Kippers a bad name!
    Sorry! As your comment was earlier in the thread I was responding to I thought I didn't need to acknowledge that it was your idea....

    Good idea mate ha!
    I was only taking the piss!
    I know!

    I shouldn't think the selectors will concur though... Cook as skipper with Buttler keeping wicket looks odds on
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    An important article on the possible EU response to events in Ukraine:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/21/ukraine-crisis-sanctions-idUSL6N0PW1Y920140721

    A couple of points made in that article look questionable to me, though:

    - I suspect the journalists are underestimating the degree of outrage in Holland. Are there any PBers in Holland who could comment on this?

    - The article cites this as an argument against the proposition that there will be sanctions: "According to U.N. data, excluding Russian gas exports - around $60 billion a year - the Netherlands was Russia's biggest export destination last year, mostly oil and metals". Surely that is the wrong way round? That sounds like a strong bargaining chip in Dutch and/or EU hands, not the reverse,
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549

    BobaFett said:

    Apologies for the language

    But what fecking Bell end thought starting a test match in England on a SUNDAY was a good idea?

    Is that what's happening? You have got to be kidding - the scheduling has got worse and worse in recent times and this is the zenith of the malaise.

    That the Test won't include a Friday or a Saturday is a disgrace - yet more evidence that the schedulers have completely lost touch with the paying public.

    Or maybe they are just being kind to us.
    Yeah, next test starts Sunday.
    Start it after lunch, finish around 9pm. Reduced tickets for evening only attendance.

    I'll take 1% commission and Robert's an 18th century prime minister who might be related to your mother.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,979


    PoliticsHome @politicshome

    Tomorrow's @TheTimes front page: 'Stop selling warships to Russia, PM tells France'

    I wonder if Cameron favours a united EU response to Russia, or individual member states doing their own thing?
    Whatever he favours, the latter is what will happen, or if possible the two in tandem. A light touch EU-wide response that, in general, supports the idea of getting tough without the reality, and then everyone else is free to go as far, or not, as they personally want.

    In the meantime, everyone must practice their serious 'won't take no nonsense' faces for the cameras.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    surbiton said:


    PoliticsHome @politicshome

    Tomorrow's @TheTimes front page: 'Stop selling warships to Russia, PM tells France'

    Hollande should strike back and say "Stop letting Russia us ethe City of London" !

    How do we know it was not the Nazi loving Ukranians ?


    PoliticsHome @politicshome

    Tomorrow's @TheSunNewspaper front page: 'Crony War' pic.twitter.com/xidBL2TV1Y

    It seem Cameron doing something about it ;-)
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited July 2014

    surbiton said:


    PoliticsHome @politicshome

    Tomorrow's @TheTimes front page: 'Stop selling warships to Russia, PM tells France'

    Hollande should strike back and say "Stop letting Russia us ethe City of London" !

    How do we know it was not the Nazi loving Ukranians ?
    Yep,does seem a silly comment from cam,haven't seen the story but could cam have said that after hollande made the first remark to Cameron about the city of london ;-)
    Tells you of the hypocrisy of all the sanctions wielding leaders. They are all for it as long as their own interests are not threatened. Merkel does not want too many sanctions as Russia can wield the ultimate sanction. Maybe , they will wait until December !
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    I see that the usual suspects, driven by irrational dislike of Cameron, are coming out in support of Putin.

    To which I can only say: Blimey.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,645
    JackW said:

    JackW said:

    @bigjohnowls

    Clearly so.

    The moves have been at the margin. A notable feature of my ARSE projection has been the stability of the numbers within a narrow range. However this shouldn't be too much of a surprise as the factors within the projection have so far been correctly forecast.

    OK I am obviously new to this with my BJESUS but the volaitlity of your Arse is much more over last 6 weeks than my BJESUS. Why?
    I can't account for your own pale imitation but I'm unaware of any significant volatility over the last six weeks for my ARSE.

    The range for Labour has been 271-282 and the Conservatives 307-315.

    315/271 = lead of 44 down to 307/282? = lead of 25 thats volatile! 12 more weeks of that trend and EICIPM!!

    BJESUS LAB 329-331 range Tories 263-268 range
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Anyone here going Goodwood next week?
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362


    PoliticsHome @politicshome

    Tomorrow's @TheTimes front page: 'Stop selling warships to Russia, PM tells France'

    God the man is such a bloody tool. Almost makes me look forward to the diplomatic finesse of Prime Minister Milliband.
    Are you mad ;-)
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Tykejohnno

    "Masterful inaction" Is the correct term I think?
    Here's a wild conspiracy theory.
    All the heads of governments on either side want a side show to stop us all finding out the worlds economy is now owned by a hedge fund?

    (I nominate myself for the Tapestry post of the year prize)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,439
    corporeal said:

    BobaFett said:

    Apologies for the language

    But what fecking Bell end thought starting a test match in England on a SUNDAY was a good idea?

    Is that what's happening? You have got to be kidding - the scheduling has got worse and worse in recent times and this is the zenith of the malaise.

    That the Test won't include a Friday or a Saturday is a disgrace - yet more evidence that the schedulers have completely lost touch with the paying public.

    Or maybe they are just being kind to us.
    Yeah, next test starts Sunday.
    Start it after lunch, finish around 9pm. Reduced tickets for evening only attendance.

    I'll take 1% commission and Robert's an 18th century prime minister who might be related to your mother.
    A day night test?

    Nooooo
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    An important article on the possible EU response to events in Ukraine:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/21/ukraine-crisis-sanctions-idUSL6N0PW1Y920140721

    A couple of points made in that article look questionable to me, though:

    - I suspect the journalists are underestimating the degree of outrage in Holland. Are there any PBers in Holland who could comment on this?

    - The article cites this as an argument against the proposition that there will be sanctions: "According to U.N. data, excluding Russian gas exports - around $60 billion a year - the Netherlands was Russia's biggest export destination last year, mostly oil and metals". Surely that is the wrong way round? That sounds like a strong bargaining chip in Dutch and/or EU hands, not the reverse,

    Really ? Europe buys Russian gas which they need to. Not because of their love for Russia.
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549

    corporeal said:

    BobaFett said:

    Apologies for the language

    But what fecking Bell end thought starting a test match in England on a SUNDAY was a good idea?

    Is that what's happening? You have got to be kidding - the scheduling has got worse and worse in recent times and this is the zenith of the malaise.

    That the Test won't include a Friday or a Saturday is a disgrace - yet more evidence that the schedulers have completely lost touch with the paying public.

    Or maybe they are just being kind to us.
    Yeah, next test starts Sunday.
    Start it after lunch, finish around 9pm. Reduced tickets for evening only attendance.

    I'll take 1% commission and Robert's an 18th century prime minister who might be related to your mother.
    A day night test?

    Nooooo
    Why not?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,979

    I see that the usual suspects, driven by irrational dislike of Cameron, are coming out in support of Putin.

    To which I can only say: Blimey.

    There may be a middle ground between disliking Cameron's position and supporting Putin, although there was a quote from Shaun Walker of the Guardian which I feel should always be kept in mind, namely:

    May well be valid points to make re Western Ukraine coverage, but greedily swallowing up every Russian half-truth/lie not the way to do so!

    I think a few forget the latter part.

    http://order-order.com/2014/05/14/guardians-man-in-moscow-slams-loony-guardian-columnist/
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Is there any proof that the Russian rebels did it ? Who is providing this proof ?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,439
    corporeal said:

    corporeal said:

    BobaFett said:

    Apologies for the language

    But what fecking Bell end thought starting a test match in England on a SUNDAY was a good idea?

    Is that what's happening? You have got to be kidding - the scheduling has got worse and worse in recent times and this is the zenith of the malaise.

    That the Test won't include a Friday or a Saturday is a disgrace - yet more evidence that the schedulers have completely lost touch with the paying public.

    Or maybe they are just being kind to us.
    Yeah, next test starts Sunday.
    Start it after lunch, finish around 9pm. Reduced tickets for evening only attendance.

    I'll take 1% commission and Robert's an 18th century prime minister who might be related to your mother.
    A day night test?

    Nooooo
    Why not?
    Because of the fact that a red ball is hard to see with the floodlights on.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited July 2014
    surbiton said:

    Is there any proof that the Russian rebels did it ? Who is providing this proof ?

    So you watch alot of RT then (Russian tv channel) ;-)
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,645
    Off to bed off to see Derbyshire CCC beat Glamorgan tomorrow. Back to back wins on the cards.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,230
    surbiton said:


    PoliticsHome @politicshome

    Tomorrow's @TheTimes front page: 'Stop selling warships to Russia, PM tells France'

    Hollande should strike back and say "Stop letting Russia us ethe City of London" !

    How do we know it was not the Nazi loving Ukranians ?
    More likely to be Stalin-loving Russians

  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    surbiton said:

    Really ? Europe buys Russian gas which they need to. Not because of their love for Russia.

    They don't need to buy (or, to be more precise, trade) oil and metals.

    This is going to get very nasty, and there will be collateral economic damage. The Dutch in particular are key to this, and the UK. The Germans will probably try to drag their feet, but will bend under pressure from the rest of the EU and from the US.

    As I posted earlier, I've sold out completely from the BP and Shell holdings I have in my retirement fund.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,979
    edited July 2014
    surbiton said:

    Is there any proof that the Russian rebels did it ? Who is providing this proof ?

    Neither side is going to be satisfied of the claims of the other side, so to the tragedy of the families of the victims, it is largely irrelevant. Since the facts will never be indisputable it comes down therefore to the Great Powers seeing who gets the most blame. Moscow have laid out that, no matter who shot down the plane, the Ukranian government is ultimately responsible because of their restarting their offensives in the east, that is to say, they are to blame for creating the situation even if pro-russian rebels did it. The West says that it is 'likely' it was the pro-russian rebels for a variety of reasons, but also no doubt that Russia bares much responsibility because there would not be such an intense war going on if they had not seized Crimea and then supported the uprising in the east.

    No-one's free of blame for using the whole affair for internal and external politics, but Moscow does give cause for the reactions it gets. And they like that, for the most part.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,935

    Crikey, I do feel like I am going around in circles here.

    Before the 80's, the idea that economies should be managed hands-on by the government held sway in the West. When a problem arose, that problem was bought into public ownership and clever men appointed to manage the problem scientifically. Compared to the more fervent Soviet approach it seemed reasonable, and it delivered good results: government management had worked well in the USA (the Depression public works, the Korean War, the Apollo program) and in the UK (WWII, the 1940's nationalisation program, the 1950's vaccination program). This post-war consensus of government-as-participant delivered growth and enormous health benefits (life expectancy in the 1930's was in the forties, but by the 1970's it was 20-30 years higher) and everybody was happy.

    But by the Seventies, this approach wasn't working any more. The expense of Vietnam, the collapse of fixed exchange rates, the early-seventies oil shocks, cheaper imports from Japan, produced problems faster than this approach could deal with them. So a new idea was required.

    That new idea was neoliberalism. Instead of the government-as-participant, the government became a referee: an impartial observer and enforcer of the rules. Instead of problems being managed by analysis and action by a single agent, they would be handled by trial-and-error by many actors, unguided participants iterating towards a solution

    Margaret Thatcher is blamed/praised for the rise of neoliberalism...unfairly in both cases: the idea was bigger than her. But her specific policies that you asked for were:

    * Union restriction: remove this single privileged large actor to enable free movement of ideas and labour
    * Cartel restriction: remove small groups to enable free movement of capital and production
    * Privatisation: remove government control to enable decisions to be taken by thousands of small voices
    * Transnationalism: deprioritise "British companies" in favour of "companies in Britain", enabling free movement of companies to set up in the UK even if foreign owned
    * Free trade: create a Europe-wide Single Market to enable free movement of goods.

    All these policies were means to an end: create an area where no one individual dominated and solutions could be iterated towards by trial-and-error - the "invisible hand". Coupled with globalisation, this free-market economy again delivered growth, comprehensively beat the Soviet Union, and enabled America to become the single hyperpower, and everybody was happy.

    But by the Noughties, this approach wasn't working any more. The collapse of collateralised debt obligations and the house market they underpinned higlighted a situation where clever people working in a free market had failed to produce an optimal solution: instead, it had gone very badly wrong and produced enormous debts. So a new idea is required...
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited July 2014

    Off to bed off to see Derbyshire CCC beat Glamorgan tomorrow. Back to back wins on the cards.

    So you not a yorkshireman,just a glory hunter sheff w fan ;-)

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,645

    surbiton said:


    PoliticsHome @politicshome

    Tomorrow's @TheTimes front page: 'Stop selling warships to Russia, PM tells France'

    Hollande should strike back and say "Stop letting Russia us ethe City of London" !

    How do we know it was not the Nazi loving Ukranians ?
    More likely to be Stalin-loving Russians

    They love Stalin?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    surbiton said:

    Really ? Europe buys Russian gas which they need to. Not because of their love for Russia.

    They don't need to buy (or, to be more precise, trade) oil and metals.

    This is going to get very nasty, and there will be collateral economic damage. The Dutch in particular are key to this, and the UK. The Germans will probably try to drag their feet, but will bend under pressure from the rest of the EU and from the US.

    As I posted earlier, I've sold out completely from the BP and Shell holdings I have in my retirement fund.
    As I posted earlier, I've sold out completely from the BP and Shell holdings I have in my retirement fund

    There speaks a Tory. Moral humbug, then, looking after number 1 !
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523

    I see that the usual suspects, driven by irrational dislike of Cameron, are coming out in support of Putin.

    To which I can only say: Blimey.

    You don't think Cameron demanding sacrifices from France and Germany while protecting the City might wind them up a tad?

    (not that i mind)
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549

    corporeal said:

    corporeal said:

    BobaFett said:

    Apologies for the language

    But what fecking Bell end thought starting a test match in England on a SUNDAY was a good idea?

    Is that what's happening? You have got to be kidding - the scheduling has got worse and worse in recent times and this is the zenith of the malaise.

    That the Test won't include a Friday or a Saturday is a disgrace - yet more evidence that the schedulers have completely lost touch with the paying public.

    Or maybe they are just being kind to us.
    Yeah, next test starts Sunday.
    Start it after lunch, finish around 9pm. Reduced tickets for evening only attendance.

    I'll take 1% commission and Robert's an 18th century prime minister who might be related to your mother.
    A day night test?

    Nooooo
    Why not?
    Because of the fact that a red ball is hard to see with the floodlights on.
    Pink's a lovely colour.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,645

    Off to bed off to see Derbyshire CCC beat Glamorgan tomorrow. Back to back wins on the cards.

    So you not a yorkshirman,just a glory hunter sheff w fan ;-)

    Glory you mean 1991 league cup winners. All glory following the Owls!!!
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    surbiton said:


    PoliticsHome @politicshome

    Tomorrow's @TheTimes front page: 'Stop selling warships to Russia, PM tells France'

    Hollande should strike back and say "Stop letting Russia us ethe City of London" !

    How do we know it was not the Nazi loving Ukranians ?
    More likely to be Stalin-loving Russians

    Are we talking about the man who defeated Nazi Germany until Johnny come lately Yanks joined in at the fag end to carve up Germany and take the Nazi scientists.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,230

    corporeal said:

    BobaFett said:

    Apologies for the language

    But what fecking Bell end thought starting a test match in England on a SUNDAY was a good idea?

    Is that what's happening? You have got to be kidding - the scheduling has got worse and worse in recent times and this is the zenith of the malaise.

    That the Test won't include a Friday or a Saturday is a disgrace - yet more evidence that the schedulers have completely lost touch with the paying public.

    Or maybe they are just being kind to us.
    Yeah, next test starts Sunday.
    Start it after lunch, finish around 9pm. Reduced tickets for evening only attendance.

    I'll take 1% commission and Robert's an 18th century prime minister who might be related to your mother.
    A day night test?

    Nooooo
    You could hold a test at midsummer in Chester-le-Street with a 9 o'clock finish and no need for lights.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,058
    edited July 2014

    corporeal said:

    corporeal said:

    BobaFett said:

    Apologies for the language

    But what fecking Bell end thought starting a test match in England on a SUNDAY was a good idea?

    Is that what's happening? You have got to be kidding - the scheduling has got worse and worse in recent times and this is the zenith of the malaise.

    That the Test won't include a Friday or a Saturday is a disgrace - yet more evidence that the schedulers have completely lost touch with the paying public.

    Or maybe they are just being kind to us.
    Yeah, next test starts Sunday.
    Start it after lunch, finish around 9pm. Reduced tickets for evening only attendance.

    I'll take 1% commission and Robert's an 18th century prime minister who might be related to your mother.
    A day night test?

    Nooooo
    Why not?
    Because of the fact that a red ball is hard to see with the floodlights on.
    http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/story/756461.html

    A pink ball would be used.

    One thing is for sure, batting in the final session of day 5 under lights on a normal test pitch would be bloody hard work (If a game got that far)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,979
    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:


    PoliticsHome @politicshome

    Tomorrow's @TheTimes front page: 'Stop selling warships to Russia, PM tells France'

    Hollande should strike back and say "Stop letting Russia us ethe City of London" !

    How do we know it was not the Nazi loving Ukranians ?
    More likely to be Stalin-loving Russians

    Are we talking about the man who defeated Nazi Germany until Johnny come lately Yanks joined in at the fag end to carve up Germany and take the Nazi scientists.
    Very handy of him, and a tremendous and brave sacrifice and loss by the Russian people to do that service. I think Stalin still ends up in the negative column overall though.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    surbiton said:

    Is there any proof that the Russian rebels did it ? Who is providing this proof ?

    So you watch alot of RT then (Russian tv channel) ;-)
    Actually, I don't. Where is the proof ? I hope it is better than Man did not land on the Moon.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Pulpstar

    They could invest in a decent lighting rig colour matched to daylight?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,645
    corporeal said:

    corporeal said:

    corporeal said:

    BobaFett said:

    Apologies for the language

    But what fecking Bell end thought starting a test match in England on a SUNDAY was a good idea?

    Is that what's happening? You have got to be kidding - the scheduling has got worse and worse in recent times and this is the zenith of the malaise.

    That the Test won't include a Friday or a Saturday is a disgrace - yet more evidence that the schedulers have completely lost touch with the paying public.

    Or maybe they are just being kind to us.
    Yeah, next test starts Sunday.
    Start it after lunch, finish around 9pm. Reduced tickets for evening only attendance.

    I'll take 1% commission and Robert's an 18th century prime minister who might be related to your mother.
    A day night test?

    Nooooo
    Why not?
    Because of the fact that a red ball is hard to see with the floodlights on.
    Pink's a lovely colour.
    PINK!!! England need opposition to bowl with a tennis ball
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,230
    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:


    PoliticsHome @politicshome

    Tomorrow's @TheTimes front page: 'Stop selling warships to Russia, PM tells France'

    Hollande should strike back and say "Stop letting Russia us ethe City of London" !

    How do we know it was not the Nazi loving Ukranians ?
    More likely to be Stalin-loving Russians

    Are we talking about the man who defeated Nazi Germany until Johnny come lately Yanks joined in at the fag end to carve up Germany and take the Nazi scientists.
    Yes, but he was almost as big a c*** as Hitler. No more than the-enemy-of-our-enemy.

    Look up Holodomor.

  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @bigjohnowls

    And underarm?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited July 2014
    surbiton said:

    There speaks a Tory. Moral humbug, then, looking after number 1 !

    Not having a taxpayer-funded, guaranteed, inflation-proofed pension like many Labour supporters, I have to try to protect things as much as I can. Even so, I have already been shafted by Brown's pension raid, and by the EU with its insane directive forbidding insurance companies from taking actuarial data into account, and by the appalling annuity rates now on offer - none of which blows hits Harriet Harman, or Ed Miliband, or indeed any of those teachers, policemen or civil servants who have been striking because they think they are hard done by.

    So I make no apology for what I hope is sensible planning, given that I take 100% of the risk - unlike typical Labour supporters, who take 0%.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,230

    surbiton said:


    PoliticsHome @politicshome

    Tomorrow's @TheTimes front page: 'Stop selling warships to Russia, PM tells France'

    Hollande should strike back and say "Stop letting Russia us ethe City of London" !

    How do we know it was not the Nazi loving Ukranians ?
    More likely to be Stalin-loving Russians

    They love Stalin?
    The Ukrainians love Hitler?

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Off to bed off to see Derbyshire CCC beat Glamorgan tomorrow. Back to back wins on the cards.

    So you not a yorkshirman,just a glory hunter sheff w fan ;-)

    Glory you mean 1991 league cup winners. All glory following the Owls!!!
    OK then,glory hunting Derbyshire fan ;-)
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,517
    edited July 2014



    - I suspect the journalists are underestimating the degree of outrage in Holland. Are there any PBers in Holland who could comment on this?

    Not in Holland, but see

    http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2014/07/ukraine_crash_dutch_editorials.php

    for an overview. Seems the Dutch premier is reserving judgment until the evidence has been studied, though some but not all the papers are urging him to take a stronger line. So the article you linked to is probably right.

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,645

    surbiton said:


    PoliticsHome @politicshome

    Tomorrow's @TheTimes front page: 'Stop selling warships to Russia, PM tells France'

    Hollande should strike back and say "Stop letting Russia us ethe City of London" !

    How do we know it was not the Nazi loving Ukranians ?
    More likely to be Stalin-loving Russians

    They love Stalin?
    The Ukrainians love Hitler?

    Do they? two ludicrous statements methinks
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    MrJones said:

    I see that the usual suspects, driven by irrational dislike of Cameron, are coming out in support of Putin.

    To which I can only say: Blimey.

    You don't think Cameron demanding sacrifices from France and Germany while protecting the City might wind them up a tad?

    (not that i mind)
    He's not protecting the City, is he? This is what Osborne said:

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/07/21/uk-ukraine-crisis-sanctions-britain-idUKKBN0FQ0JU20140721


  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    JackW said:

    JackW said:

    @bigjohnowls

    Clearly so.

    The moves have been at the margin. A notable feature of my ARSE projection has been the stability of the numbers within a narrow range. However this shouldn't be too much of a surprise as the factors within the projection have so far been correctly forecast.

    OK I am obviously new to this with my BJESUS but the volaitlity of your Arse is much more over last 6 weeks than my BJESUS. Why?
    I can't account for your own pale imitation but I'm unaware of any significant volatility over the last six weeks for my ARSE.

    The range for Labour has been 271-282 and the Conservatives 307-315.

    315/271 = lead of 44 down to 307/282? = lead of 25 thats volatile! 12 more weeks of that trend and EICIPM!!

    BJESUS LAB 329-331 range Tories 263-268 range
    Why would we take your projection seriously when you tell us literally every day that you don't understand how projections work? Baxtering yougov doesn't really cut it, except as a way of discrediting your own methodology.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,439
    corporeal said:

    corporeal said:

    corporeal said:

    BobaFett said:

    Apologies for the language

    But what fecking Bell end thought starting a test match in England on a SUNDAY was a good idea?

    Is that what's happening? You have got to be kidding - the scheduling has got worse and worse in recent times and this is the zenith of the malaise.

    That the Test won't include a Friday or a Saturday is a disgrace - yet more evidence that the schedulers have completely lost touch with the paying public.

    Or maybe they are just being kind to us.
    Yeah, next test starts Sunday.
    Start it after lunch, finish around 9pm. Reduced tickets for evening only attendance.

    I'll take 1% commission and Robert's an 18th century prime minister who might be related to your mother.
    A day night test?

    Nooooo
    Why not?
    Because of the fact that a red ball is hard to see with the floodlights on.
    Pink's a lovely colour.
    Tell that to Morris Dancer, he thought my pink and blue shirt was awful
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,230

    I see that the usual suspects, driven by irrational dislike of Cameron, are coming out in support of Putin.

    To which I can only say: Blimey.

    I think Cameron is irrelevant. The usual suspects are still fighting the Cold War and they are giving Putin's thugocracy-and-cronyism the same support they gave Brezhnevite communism.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,712


    PoliticsHome @politicshome

    Tomorrow's @TheTimes front page: 'Stop selling warships to Russia, PM tells France'

    Which warships are these???
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,230

    surbiton said:


    PoliticsHome @politicshome

    Tomorrow's @TheTimes front page: 'Stop selling warships to Russia, PM tells France'

    Hollande should strike back and say "Stop letting Russia us ethe City of London" !

    How do we know it was not the Nazi loving Ukranians ?
    More likely to be Stalin-loving Russians

    They love Stalin?
    The Ukrainians love Hitler?

    Do they? two ludicrous statements methinks
    D'uh!

  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821



    - I suspect the journalists are underestimating the degree of outrage in Holland. Are there any PBers in Holland who could comment on this?

    Not in Holland, but see

    http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2014/07/ukraine_crash_dutch_editorials.php

    for an overview. Seems the Dutch premier is reserving judgment until the evidence has been studied, though some but not all the papers are urging him to take a stronger line. So the article you linked to is probably right.

    Thanks, Nick. Of course it makes very good sense to reserve judgement on the facts, but the newspapers seem pretty united on the outrage.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,645

    Off to bed off to see Derbyshire CCC beat Glamorgan tomorrow. Back to back wins on the cards.

    So you not a yorkshirman,just a glory hunter sheff w fan ;-)

    Glory you mean 1991 league cup winners. All glory following the Owls!!!
    OK then,glory hunting Derbyshire fan ;-)
    Worst season ever been to every T20 game this season highlght was the one point gained when it pissed it down all night at the Northants game never in danger of losing.

    Good night all
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,439

    Off to bed off to see Derbyshire CCC beat Glamorgan tomorrow. Back to back wins on the cards.

    So you not a yorkshirman,just a glory hunter sheff w fan ;-)

    Glory you mean 1991 league cup winners. All glory following the Owls!!!
    Who can forget the War of the Monster Trucks?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,712
    kle4 said:

    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:


    PoliticsHome @politicshome

    Tomorrow's @TheTimes front page: 'Stop selling warships to Russia, PM tells France'

    Hollande should strike back and say "Stop letting Russia us ethe City of London" !

    How do we know it was not the Nazi loving Ukranians ?
    More likely to be Stalin-loving Russians

    Are we talking about the man who defeated Nazi Germany until Johnny come lately Yanks joined in at the fag end to carve up Germany and take the Nazi scientists.
    Very handy of him, and a tremendous and brave sacrifice and loss by the Russian people to do that service. I think Stalin still ends up in the negative column overall though.
    Which was why the Russians themselves renamed Stalingrad to Volgograd
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,979
    Man, there's a lot I didn't know about Stalin.

    In 1907 Stalin made use of his reputation as a poet to stage the 1907 Tiflis bank robbery.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin

    I wonder what Man of Steel was released as in Russia.
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