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edited June 2014 in General

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » This week’s Ashcroft phone poll sees LAB move to 6%

The latest Lord Ashcroft phone poll has just been published and the numbers have a more familiar ring to them. UKIP is down from the dizzy heights of 19% that they chalked up in the immediate aftermath of their EP14 success. The LDs are up from the miserable 6% they were on at the end of May.

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    edited June 2014
    First - Interesting that both this and today's populus sees Con + Lab up and UKIP falling.

    Did we hit peak Kipper last month?
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    edited June 2014
    First !

    (Edit : Nearly)
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,668
    I think there's a word missing in the headline!!
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    That's a poor poll for the Blues, especially with UKIP showing further signs of decline.
  • MillsyMillsy Posts: 900
    There's also fascinating focus group research done by Ashcroft as well:

    http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2014/06/lord-ashcroft-labour-lead-by-six-points-in-my-latest-national-poll.html

    Words associated with parties:

    Tories - out of touch, sensible, aggressive
    Labour - weak, confused, dull
    Ukip - dangerous, hope
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    First - Interesting that both this and today's populus sees Con + Lab up and UKIP falling.

    Did we hit peak Kipper last month?

    Kippers smoked?
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    edited June 2014
    Putting Ashcroft's latest [unwashed] chicken entrails into my computational black box, and I can present an update to...

    OblitusSumMe's Four to Forgo Forgetting

    Kingswood is still forecast as a Labour GAIN.
    Pendle is now forecast as a Labour GAIN.
    Vale of Glamorgan is now forecast as a Labour GAIN.
    Harlow is now forecast as a Labour GAIN.

    The Lib Dems come fifth in Kingswood and Vale of Glamorgan.

    Weird Ed becomes PM of a majority Labour government.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    Thanks Mike

    FPT - another poll that shows Labour on the rise. Hmm :)
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    ToryJim said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    First - Interesting that both this and today's populus sees Con + Lab up and UKIP falling.

    Did we hit peak Kipper last month?

    Kippers smoked?
    They'll be back for breakfast.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    Does anyone have any idea why the focus group chose Simon Cowell to represent the Kippers???
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    First - Interesting that both this and today's populus sees Con + Lab up and UKIP falling.

    Did we hit peak Kipper last month?

    We would clearly expect UKIP to fall back a little bit as their election triumph recedes into the past.

    However, they subsided only gently last year, and I would expect them to receive a boost leading up to the General Election. One of the big unknowns about next year is what UKIP will achieve, so it's bound to interest the papers and generate a healthy level of coverage.
  • BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    It explains why quite clearly in the link.

    http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2014/06/lord-ashcroft-labour-lead-by-six-points-in-my-latest-national-poll.html
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    OblitusSumMe said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    First - Interesting that both this and today's populus sees Con + Lab up and UKIP falling.

    Did we hit peak Kipper last month?

    We would clearly expect UKIP to fall back a little bit as their election triumph recedes into the past.

    However, they subsided only gently last year, and I would expect them to receive a boost leading up to the General Election. One of the big unknowns about next year is what UKIP will achieve, so it's bound to interest the papers and generate a healthy level of coverage.
    Depends on OFCOM, if they get categorised as a major party for the General Election
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JohnRentoul: Important analysis by Peter Kellner suggests Lib Dem collapse removes most of the pro-Lab bias in electoral system http://t.co/E6UXeq8GrR
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited June 2014
    Scott_P said:

    @JohnRentoul: Important analysis by Peter Kellner suggests Lib Dem collapse removes most of the pro-Lab bias in electoral system http://t.co/E6UXeq8GrR

    If true, that's excellent news for our democracy, and ironically [or is that paradoxically?] something the LibDems should be cheering. A brave and noble sacrifice...

  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    @Anorak

    I doubt the Liberals will be cheering the fact that they won't get anything like 10% of the seats on 10% of the votes
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Anorak said:

    Scott_P said:

    @JohnRentoul: Important analysis by Peter Kellner suggests Lib Dem collapse removes most of the pro-Lab bias in electoral system http://t.co/E6UXeq8GrR

    If true, that's excellent news for our democracy, and ironically [or is that paradoxically?] something the LibDems should be cheering. A brave and noble sacrifice...

    I'm sceptical of aspects of that analysis. Peter Kellner suggests that Labour supporters returning to the Lib Dems would result in fewer Labour seats. It seems more likely to me that it would result in fewer Conservative seats.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    OblitusSumMe said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    First - Interesting that both this and today's populus sees Con + Lab up and UKIP falling.

    Did we hit peak Kipper last month?

    We would clearly expect UKIP to fall back a little bit as their election triumph recedes into the past.

    However, they subsided only gently last year, and I would expect them to receive a boost leading up to the General Election. One of the big unknowns about next year is what UKIP will achieve, so it's bound to interest the papers and generate a healthy level of coverage.
    Depends on OFCOM, if they get categorised as a major party for the General Election
    That matters for the BBC and other broadcasters, but the newspapers aren't covered by OFCOM rules, and the broadcast media tend to follow the newspaper agenda.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    Scott_P said:

    @JohnRentoul: Important analysis by Peter Kellner suggests Lib Dem collapse removes most of the pro-Lab bias in electoral system http://t.co/E6UXeq8GrR

    Basically he says that, if he makes lots of assumptions and puts his fingers in the air, and plucks out a few adjustments at random, he gets different answers from UNS.

    I don't think we should take it too seriously, except that I think he is right in what he says in the last paragraph:

    But if my adjustments should be treated with caution, so should figures generated by uniform swing calculators. In particular, Labour would be unwise to assume that they can win more seats than the Tories with fewer votes. To be certain of leading the largest contingent of MPs in the next parliament, Ed Miliband needs his party to win the popular vote.


  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    BobaFett said:

    Does anyone have any idea why the focus group chose Simon Cowell to represent the Kippers???

    The text suggested it was to do with charisma / dependence on one individual.

    I fail to understand it myself!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Germany 2.18
    Portugal 3.75
    Draw 3.6

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/football/market?id=1.112173628&exp=e
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    Agree Mr Nabavi.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    @SouthamObserver FPT

    Powerless and hate...?

    Sounds like a cause for Social Media
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited June 2014
    'the blues are up the red team is up a bit more.'

    Arf - Tis this kind of detailed 'technical analysis' that makes PB, second to none. ; )
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    Charles said:

    BobaFett said:

    Does anyone have any idea why the focus group chose Simon Cowell to represent the Kippers???

    The text suggested it was to do with charisma / dependence on one individual.

    I fail to understand it myself!
    :)
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    OblitusSumMe said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    OblitusSumMe said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    First - Interesting that both this and today's populus sees Con + Lab up and UKIP falling.

    Did we hit peak Kipper last month?

    We would clearly expect UKIP to fall back a little bit as their election triumph recedes into the past.

    However, they subsided only gently last year, and I would expect them to receive a boost leading up to the General Election. One of the big unknowns about next year is what UKIP will achieve, so it's bound to interest the papers and generate a healthy level of coverage.
    Depends on OFCOM, if they get categorised as a major party for the General Election
    That matters for the BBC and other broadcasters, but the newspapers aren't covered by OFCOM rules, and the broadcast media tend to follow the newspaper agenda.
    The BBC actually have their own BBC trust guidelines separate from OFCOM, although they run on very similar criteria, so their's a minute but non-zero chance they classify UKIP differnetly.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,376
    From the polls we've had so far today it should be safe to assume Labour will have their lead back with ICM.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Anorak said:

    ToryJim said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    First - Interesting that both this and today's populus sees Con + Lab up and UKIP falling.

    Did we hit peak Kipper last month?

    Kippers smoked?
    They'll be back for breakfast.
    Kippers De Lux will appear in all over the country quite soon. Will be appearing at the Goose Fair so I hear.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    The one big difference that stands out from this poll compared to the previous one is that 33% of 2010 Lib Dem voters said they would vote Labour, compared with 14% last week. The balance is made up by fewer 2010 Lib Dems telling Ashcroft that they will vote Tory, UKIP, or don't know.

    Maybe Mr Smithson is right and it is these voters who will determine the next election. If that is the case then the sample size for this poll is a mere 92 Lib Dem 2010 voters in the unweighted base, giving a minimum margin of error of +/-10%

    I suppose the problem with trying to form a >1000 sample poll of only 2010 Lib Dems is that you would struggle to work out the other demographic weightings to apply, but if you could manage to do that it would be incredibly useful.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    If the exit poll shows Con 34, Labour 33 there's going to be lots of fun from angry people demanding to know why we got the wrong Prime Minister.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    OblitusSumMe said:

    The one big difference that stands out from this poll compared to the previous one is that 33% of 2010 Lib Dem voters said they would vote Labour, compared with 14% last week. The balance is made up by fewer 2010 Lib Dems telling Ashcroft that they will vote Tory, UKIP, or don't know.

    Maybe Mr Smithson is right and it is these voters who will determine the next election. If that is the case then the sample size for this poll is a mere 92 Lib Dem 2010 voters in the unweighted base, giving a minimum margin of error of +/-10%

    I suppose the problem with trying to form a >1000 sample poll of only 2010 Lib Dems is that you would struggle to work out the other demographic weightings to apply, but if you could manage to do that it would be incredibly useful.

    With small sub-sets like this you've got to look at data over a lot of polls and here the message is very clear. 2010 LDs have switched much more to LAB than other parties. This, and First Past The Post, is what keeps LAB hopes alive.

  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    Portugal are very very lucky there
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    MikeSmithson said:

    OblitusSumMe said:

    The one big difference that stands out from this poll compared to the previous one is that 33% of 2010 Lib Dem voters said they would vote Labour, compared with 14% last week. The balance is made up by fewer 2010 Lib Dems telling Ashcroft that they will vote Tory, UKIP, or don't know.

    Maybe Mr Smithson is right and it is these voters who will determine the next election. If that is the case then the sample size for this poll is a mere 92 Lib Dem 2010 voters in the unweighted base, giving a minimum margin of error of +/-10%

    I suppose the problem with trying to form a >1000 sample poll of only 2010 Lib Dems is that you would struggle to work out the other demographic weightings to apply, but if you could manage to do that it would be incredibly useful.

    With small sub-sets like this you've got to look at data over a lot of polls and here the message is very clear. 2010 LDs have switched much more to LAB than other parties. This, and First Past The Post, is what keeps LAB hopes alive.

    Labour's "definite" voters from 2010 Labour votes are pretty poor so far as I can work out for a main opposition party.

    The topline 10/10 to vote for Lib Dems in the Populus is the other figure that struck me as I went through the tables. 57%... dire for a party on such a low score.
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    FPT
    BobaFett said:

    Moving away from this tiresome topic, house prices now appear to be falling. I can't decide whether this is bad news for the government or otherwise. Thoughts?

    Depends. There's the range they ought to be (but if they hit that range the banks collapse) and then there's the excessive but not immediately catastrophic range which we've had for a while and then there's the nudging into catastrophic range we've been getting into recently (partly as a result of help to buy and other alternative sources of mortgage finance that have come along since the TBTF trading casinos stopped being banks and partly as a result of BRIC's oligarchs cash buying).

    So prices falling back into the not immediately catastrophic range is good news for the government, prices falling lower than that would be bad for them, prices rising above that range would be bad for them as well.

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,376
    edited June 2014
    Pulpstar said:

    If the exit poll shows Con 34, Labour 33 there's going to be lots of fun from angry people demanding to know why we got the wrong Prime Minister.

    The fact the Tories campaigned so heavily for the status quo during the AV referendum and lost boundary reform should help soften the blow.



  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    MikeSmithson said:

    OblitusSumMe said:

    The one big difference that stands out from this poll compared to the previous one is that 33% of 2010 Lib Dem voters said they would vote Labour, compared with 14% last week. The balance is made up by fewer 2010 Lib Dems telling Ashcroft that they will vote Tory, UKIP, or don't know.

    Maybe Mr Smithson is right and it is these voters who will determine the next election. If that is the case then the sample size for this poll is a mere 92 Lib Dem 2010 voters in the unweighted base, giving a minimum margin of error of +/-10%

    I suppose the problem with trying to form a >1000 sample poll of only 2010 Lib Dems is that you would struggle to work out the other demographic weightings to apply, but if you could manage to do that it would be incredibly useful.

    With small sub-sets like this you've got to look at data over a lot of polls and here the message is very clear. 2010 LDs have switched much more to LAB than other parties. This, and First Past The Post, is what keeps LAB hopes alive.
    No question about that, but because the sub-sample is so small it takes a large number of polls until you have enough data to conclude whether the behaviour of this sub-sample has changed.

    If it does change, it will be profitable to identify that change as early as possible.

    This sort of differential behaviour of different subgroups will tend to make the polls more variable, because you're effectively polling several discrete populations rather than one homogenous population.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Pulpstar said:

    If the exit poll shows Con 34, Labour 33 there's going to be lots of fun from angry people demanding to know why we got the wrong Prime Minister.

    Most experts think the Tory lead will be slightly larger than that.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    Did we miss this ICM poll on the economy and related issues?

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jun/16/insecure-britain-poll-economic-recovery-immigration

    (No voting intention as far as I can see).

    The thing which jumps out is the incoherence of the results. For example, although it's not quite clear what the options offered were, the results for 'What lies behind economic anxiety' are just bizarre.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited June 2014
    antifrank said:

    Anorak said:

    Scott_P said:

    @JohnRentoul: Important analysis by Peter Kellner suggests Lib Dem collapse removes most of the pro-Lab bias in electoral system http://t.co/E6UXeq8GrR

    If true, that's excellent news for our democracy, and ironically [or is that paradoxically?] something the LibDems should be cheering. A brave and noble sacrifice...

    I'm sceptical of aspects of that analysis. Peter Kellner suggests that Labour supporters returning to the Lib Dems would result in fewer Labour seats. It seems more likely to me that it would result in fewer Conservative seats.
    Analysing the 2005 election, Electoral Calculus concluded that:

    Tactical voting by Labour supporters cost the Conservatives 10 seats.
    Tactical voting by LD supporters cost the Conservatives 16 seats.

    http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/conlabgap.html

    If Labour supporters are no longer voting LD then that could be a 10 seat gain for the Conservatives.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    2-0 Germany.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    dr_spyn said:

    2-0 Germany.

    Frau Merkel looked pleased
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Red Card - Pepe.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    ToryJim said:

    dr_spyn said:

    2-0 Germany.

    Frau Merkel looked pleased
    Europe's most robust economy, Cameron bitch-slapped and 2-0 up against 10 man Portugal, why shouldn't she be looking pleased ?
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    Red card!
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    Hare kare by Portugal - how professional footballers come to headbutt an opponent on the field of play is beyond me.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    BobaFett said:

    Hare kare by Portugal - how professional footballers come to headbutt an opponent on the field of play is beyond me.

    Tony Blair innit ?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,704
    Alanbrooke said:

    BobaFett said:

    Hare kare by Portugal - how professional footballers come to headbutt an opponent on the field of play is beyond me.

    Tony Blair innit ?
    Isn't it Boris Johnson's special move?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOivzoRc0I8
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    3-0. Germany.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    Jonathan said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    BobaFett said:

    Hare kare by Portugal - how professional footballers come to headbutt an opponent on the field of play is beyond me.

    Tony Blair innit ?
    Isn't it Boris Johnson's special move?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOivzoRc0I8
    I knew I'd catch a Blairite :-)

    3-0 now
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    Didn't think Portugal would be this bad. Nightmare start for the Iberian teams.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    Hmm didn't expect such a one sided game, and certainly Portugal imploding wasn't on the script.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Will the Germans score many goals ?

    Nein !

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    You can still get 5 on England with Betfair:

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/cricket/market?id=1.114094778&exp=e
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Good evening, everyone.

    Glad the Germans are putting the Portuguese to the sword.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Good evening, everyone.

    Glad the Germans are putting the Portuguese to the sword.

    I think the portuguese are putting themselves to the sword.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Apologies for anyone who followed me in backing Portugal to win today.

    To recover my losses, I've backed Germany to win 5nil and 6 nil at 8/1 and 14/1 respectively.
  • JohnWheatleyJohnWheatley Posts: 141
    http://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/06/16/how-lib-dem-prospects-affect-arithmetic-ve-day/

    Waiting with interest for Mike's comments on this. May be it is not a "truth universally acknowledged" that the Tories need a 4 pt lead to get equal with labour afterall
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    Right so Adrian Chiles has just spent all the time banging on about one incident and going spare about it. Good grief.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Apologies for anyone who followed me in backing Portugal to win today.

    To recover my losses, I've backed Germany to win 5nil and 6 nil at 8/1 and 14/1 respectively.

    Okay I'll give those a go.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Talking of the Germans putting things to the sword, the telegraph reports Juncker is getting the top EU job, and very soon.

    Massive humiliation for Cameron if that's the case.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    taffys said:

    Talking of the Germans putting things to the sword, the telegraph reports Juncker is getting the top EU job, and very soon.

    Massive humiliation for Cameron if that's the case.

    Let's see, reading the piece I think there may be more to go even if he's appointed.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    taffys said:

    Talking of the Germans putting things to the sword, the telegraph reports Juncker is getting the top EU job, and very soon.

    Massive humiliation for Cameron if that's the case.

    Does it allow Cam to say - EU isn't listening - def need a referendum - I may not support staying in unless they shape up ?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I'm surprised you can still get 6 with Betfair for Germany scoring 6+ goals.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    Can anyone else understand a word Cannavaro is saying, I really can't follow him at all.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Kippers gutted.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    first they came for the cyber nats.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-27877694
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    199-7 and everyone is watching the Germans beat up the Portuguese.

    What happened to the Tebbit test?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Test match boiling up at last 7 down
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    AveryLP said:

    199-7 and everyone is watching the Germans beat up the Portuguese.

    What happened to the Tebbit test?

    It was ludicrous, at the time and more so now.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    If England win at Lords and Germany score 6+ it'll be quite a profitable evening for me.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    AveryLP said:

    199-7 and everyone is watching the Germans beat up the Portuguese.

    What happened to the Tebbit test?

    Decline of the country under Labour 1997-2010.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    If only the ECB/TCCB hadn't sold the rights to Sky...
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    dr_spyn said:

    If only the ECB/TCCB hadn't sold the rights to Sky...

    Despite being a huge cricket fan I refuse to pay for Sky, so have to listen to TMS instead and watch the highlights on Five.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,986
    TGOHF said:


    Decline of the country under Labour 1997-2010.

    Absurd comment as usual.

    If the cricket was on mainstream television and the World Cup was on Sky, it would be slightly different.

    Blame the Conservative Governments of 1979 to 1997. Now that's an absurd comment.

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    dr_spyn said:

    If only the ECB/TCCB hadn't sold the rights to Sky...

    Pah - best thing that happened to cricket ever. No more cutting away to Wimbledon and the racing.

    Sky sports better value than TV licence - ditch the latter to help pay for the former.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    stodge said:

    TGOHF said:


    Decline of the country under Labour 1997-2010.


    If the cricket was on mainstream television and the World Cup was on Sky, it would be slightly different.


    England probably would not have won any of the recent Ashes series.

    Sky money has helped immensely.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    stodge said:

    TGOHF said:


    Decline of the country under Labour 1997-2010.

    Absurd comment as usual.

    If the cricket was on mainstream television and the World Cup was on Sky, it would be slightly different.

    Blame the Conservative Governments of 1979 to 1997. Now that's an absurd comment.

    Eheu Stodgio

    Soon you will be arguing for a Lib Dem Councillor on the Test Match commentary team.

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    "It's my human right to have an affordable house, faiw ewectrwicity pwices and faiwness in test match cwicket tv coverage with 50% female commentators "

  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    201-8.

    Lancastrian swing not Lib Dem spin.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    AveryLP said:

    201-8.

    Lancastrian swing not Lib Dem spin.

    Yes yes yes.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    Cricket is dull isn't it...
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    Cricket is dull isn't it...

    Not at all
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    Cricket is dull isn't it...

    I like the way we had to put up with about 2 days of boring play to get this.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    Come on England. I took the 5-1 available just recently
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    Aim
    at
    the
    stumps
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,986
    AveryLP said:

    Eheu Stodgio

    Soon you will be arguing for a Lib Dem Councillor on the Test Match commentary team.

    To be fair, having listened to the ranting of Adrian Chiles, I'd even put up with a Conservative Councillor on the ITV World Cup team.

    Can we grind out an unlikely win at Lords or is that too unlikely ?

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    BobaFett said:

    Come on England. I took the 5-1 available just recently

    Was up at 17s at one point - I am small red draw, big green win, massive red SL :D

  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    Aim
    at
    the
    stumps

    Turn over to the cricket.

    The Germans don't need your advice.

  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    TGOHF said:

    BobaFett said:

    Come on England. I took the 5-1 available just recently

    Was up at 17s at one point - I am small red draw, big green win, massive red SL :D


    That's exactly my position @TGOHF
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    12 balls left - close but no cigar do we think?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,336
    edited June 2014
    dr_spyn said:

    first they came for the cyber nats.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-27877694

    Quite. While right and proper in itself, it should be borne in mind that this sort of prosecution is in any case happening in Scotland routinely - for instance there have been convictions for football-related abuse. So this is a bit of a spin by the BBC, not least because the content is minimal - all that the story actually says is someone - perhaps a third party, perhaps a Better Tgether campaign member - made a complaint to the polis; and that quite separately the prosecution service has made the obvious generic statement.

    It can be seen as part of what is obviously a concerted 'anti-cybernat' campaign by all the unionists, linked to their orchestrated blaming of the indy types for causing resentment and division - itself a big joke given the entire rationale of the No campaign's Project Fear. The problem is that a 'cybernat' is by definition anyone who disagrees with them and says so on the net because they aren't being allowed to do so in the same media and don't want to pay for the privilege (TV licence, newspaper price, etc.). Apart from this being very dodgy democracy in principle (with huge implications for sites such as PB), and giving the relevant websites plenty of publicity, it will, I hope, prompt an equally severe look at those who dished out lots more, and worse, from the unionist side - including, in great contrast to the affair of Ms Rowling, serving politicians and newspaper journalists and their editors (e.g. publishing what came very close to incitement against pro-indy campaigners, including NAMES and [edit: almost] ADDRESSES).
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    stodge said:

    AveryLP said:

    Eheu Stodgio

    Soon you will be arguing for a Lib Dem Councillor on the Test Match commentary team.

    To be fair, having listened to the ranting of Adrian Chiles, I'd even put up with a Conservative Councillor on the ITV World Cup team.

    Can we grind out an unlikely win at Lords or is that too unlikely ?

    Odds must be on a draw but there is still more hope for England at Lords than than in Belo Horizonte or wherever.

  • volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078
    No doubt about it televised cricket belongs on the BBC.What on earth is the point of having an Establishment if it does not represent the supremacy of cricket to all other sports in the nation's TV broadcasts?I refuse to have Murdoch in the house.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,986
    Well, if we replaced the whole World Cup panel with a political panel, who would it be ? Lord Mandelson has, I believe, knowledge of things Brazilian - there must be some Conservative who would like to spend a couple of weeks on Copacabana Beach though the modern young Tory is such a soulless, humourless specimen.

    As for a Lib Dem, it could only be Lembit.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    Cricket is dull isn't it...

    Can I send you a PM - had a quick question about JISAs...
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    BobaFett said:

    12 balls left - close but no cigar do we think?

    Mankad time..
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    4-0
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Not needed :D
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Yes yes yes yes yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    201-9

    5 balls to go.

    Now Broad, save one for Morley and Outwood.
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