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edited June 2014 in General

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » After Newark CON must be pretty confident of holding Cambs South – the next by-election in the pipeline?

I got on at 16/1 and since the price tightened to him being an odds-on favourite. Now the bookies are not taking bets for it’s been informally announced that Lansley’s the man and he has even spoken publicly about it.

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  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,405
    So the Lib Dems might poll well enough to keep their deposit here then ?
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    In the (admittedly unlikely) event that Cameron can russle up a blocking minority for Juncker to send to the European Parliament to reject, this whole process could end up taking the best part of a year, in which case it might end up being too late for a by-election. I doubt Lansley would want to resign his seat before his appoinment was finalized, because there's always the risk that it'll get blocked.
  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    Go fourth and multiply!
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    Frankfurter Allgemeine reckons Juncker is unstoppable:
    http://m.faz.net/aktuell/politik/europawahl/streit-um-eu-kommissionspraesidenten-cameron-kann-gegen-juncker-nur-verlieren-12978343.html

    Back on topic, it seems like the new Commission doesn't get confirmed until October even if everything goes smoothly, so leaving the seat open definitely seems like an option unless the Tories think the momentum would be useful.
    http://openeuropeblog.blogspot.jp/2014/05/what-happens-next-after-european.html?m=1
  • JohnLoony said:

    Go fourth and multiply!

    Come fourth and lose thy deposit.
  • Edin_RokzEdin_Rokz Posts: 516

    Frankfurter Allgemeine reckons Juncker is unstoppable:
    http://m.faz.net/aktuell/politik/europawahl/streit-um-eu-kommissionspraesidenten-cameron-kann-gegen-juncker-nur-verlieren-12978343.html

    Back on topic, it seems like the new Commission doesn't get confirmed until October even if everything goes smoothly, so leaving the seat open definitely seems like an option unless the Tories think the momentum would be useful.
    http://openeuropeblog.blogspot.jp/2014/05/what-happens-next-after-european.html?m=1

    Wot Sir!

    I hope you are not implying that an old Etonian would dump an old pal just to get him out of a job he is totally incompetent in, leaving the job up for grabs to maintain a momentum to return the Tory party back in 2015? Then again, the new job is totally within the gift of DC, I'm sure that those Europeans will be overjoyed and want DC's acolyte to lead them to the path of fiscal rectitude, just like wot he tried with the NHS.

    Sir, I must ask you to desist from such speculation, at least until after the probable reshuffle this Friday (according to that font of information, the Independent: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/senior-tories-await-david-camerons-ruthless-reshuffle-9507176.html) when Cameron tries to show he really has a spine.
  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    If you're a Liberal Democrat in a parliamentary by-election, you're likely to lose your deposit. But it's better than being an ant. If you're a Liberal Democrat, at least you're less likely to be eaten by an aardvark.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Edin_Rokz said:

    Frankfurter Allgemeine reckons Juncker is unstoppable:
    http://m.faz.net/aktuell/politik/europawahl/streit-um-eu-kommissionspraesidenten-cameron-kann-gegen-juncker-nur-verlieren-12978343.html

    Back on topic, it seems like the new Commission doesn't get confirmed until October even if everything goes smoothly, so leaving the seat open definitely seems like an option unless the Tories think the momentum would be useful.
    http://openeuropeblog.blogspot.jp/2014/05/what-happens-next-after-european.html?m=1

    Wot Sir!

    I hope you are not implying that an old Etonian would dump an old pal just to get him out of a job he is totally incompetent in, leaving the job up for grabs to maintain a momentum to return the Tory party back in 2015? Then again, the new job is totally within the gift of DC, I'm sure that those Europeans will be overjoyed and want DC's acolyte to lead them to the path of fiscal rectitude, just like wot he tried with the NHS.

    Sir, I must ask you to desist from such speculation, at least until after the probable reshuffle this Friday (according to that font of information, the Independent: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/senior-tories-await-david-camerons-ruthless-reshuffle-9507176.html) when Cameron tries to show he really has a spine.
    Could you translate that please?

  • Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    Another CON HOLD would start to set a narrative in the public's mind. We are so used to them losing by-elections that two holds in a row starts to look like the boys are back in town.
  • Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    Hate to be pedantic, but the constituency is called "South Cambridgeshire", not "Cambridgeshire South".
  • Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    I wonder what prices Shadsy will put on the LD/Green match bet in this seat? :)

    Is the by-election likely to be before or after 18 September?
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Hate to be pedantic, but...

    Welome to PB; you'll fit in perfectly ;)

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    What excuse can Farage come up with for chickening out of this one ?
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    TGOHF said:

    What excuse can Farage come up with for chickening out of this one ?

    Mothers' Day?

  • Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    GeoffM said:

    Hate to be pedantic, but...

    Welome to PB; you'll fit in perfectly ;)

    Why thank you kind sir.

    - Faux outrage? - check

    - Blatant hypocrisy? - check

    - See-through ramping? - check

    - Selective memory? - check

    - Ignoring poll results I don't like? - check

    - In-built rebuttal database? - check

    - Full of my own importance? - check

    - Rude to opponents? - check

    - Annoyingly pedantic? - check

    - Been blocked? - check

    - Knows the gender of the poster Andrea? - check

    Crikey, I fill all the criteria for being a perfect PB poster. Probably about the right time to call it a day.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    I wonder what prices Shadsy will put on the LD/Green match bet in this seat? :)

    Is the by-election likely to be before or after 18 September?

    October 16th would be a good date.

    It is a couple of weeks after the Conservative Party Conference and just under a month after the Scottish Referendum.

    Should get a double bounce in the polls.

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,012
    fitalass said:
    It seems even now the Lib Dems want to be all things to all men. So the want a "rule" that during periods of growth debt should be reduced. What does that mean? A surplus or simply debt falling as a % of GDP?

    They want to achieve this but, unlike those nasty tories, they don't want to cut spending. Presumably they are going to increase taxes then, and very substantially.

    He does not want to talk about the cuts that Danny has already signed up for to get rid of the present humongous deficit, the task that will completely dominate the next Parliament. He is presumably going to pretend this is just going to happen by some sort of magic.

    He is going to play the same sort of games that Brown did claiming it is ok to borrow for investment, so long as that investment is promoting growth. So that will be alright then. That sort of rule and the so called golden rule worked out so well the last time.

    There is a legitimate and important debate to be had about where the cuts pencilled in for the next 5 years are to fall. There is a debate to be had about the balance between taxes and cuts, particularly welfare cuts.

    It is a major part of our problem that we spend so much on current spending making the funding of capital spending so difficult. But this looks like a lame and pretty dishonest contribution to that debate. It suggests easy answers even after 4 years of finding out just how hard government can be.

  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    That's quite good Stuart D - I think you might get double or triple points if you can do todays translation work.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,012
    On topic this seat looks like yet another worthy and pointless second for UKIP to me. The Lib Dems will presumably fall back sharply giving Labour and UKIP a boost but with enough of them turning blue to make the tories untouchable.

    Would the Labour vote fall again? That would be fun so near an election. There must be a good chance UKIP could squeeze them.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    In the EU Parliament results for South Cambridgeshire, the Conservatives topped the poll.

    http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/News/European-elections-Results-from-the-Cambridge-region-in-full-20140526004249.htm
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,012
    Looks like manufacturing is destined to grow faster than the overall economy this year: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/10885169/Manufacturers-predict-3.6pc-growth-in-buoyant-economy.html

    I wonder when that last happened? My suspicion would be that it would be at least 20 years ago. Manufacturing consistently fell as a share of the economy under the last government. We were told it was inevitable
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    DavidL said:

    On topic this seat looks like yet another worthy and pointless second for UKIP to me. The Lib Dems will presumably fall back sharply giving Labour and UKIP a boost but with enough of them turning blue to make the tories untouchable.

    Would the Labour vote fall again? That would be fun so near an election. There must be a good chance UKIP could squeeze them.

    I very much doubt the Lab vote would fall in S Cambs. Plus given the size of the L Dem vote a deposit hold would have to be a likelihood as can't see them losing that much share. I think though this could be marginally more tricky for Con to hold as there cannot be a candidate chosen until and unless Lansley is nodded to the EU. Others could get themselves geared up for a fight before the Cons could. I'd be wary of a by election here.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,012
    ToryJim said:

    DavidL said:

    On topic this seat looks like yet another worthy and pointless second for UKIP to me. The Lib Dems will presumably fall back sharply giving Labour and UKIP a boost but with enough of them turning blue to make the tories untouchable.

    Would the Labour vote fall again? That would be fun so near an election. There must be a good chance UKIP could squeeze them.

    I very much doubt the Lab vote would fall in S Cambs. Plus given the size of the L Dem vote a deposit hold would have to be a likelihood as can't see them losing that much share. I think though this could be marginally more tricky for Con to hold as there cannot be a candidate chosen until and unless Lansley is nodded to the EU. Others could get themselves geared up for a fight before the Cons could. I'd be wary of a by election here.
    I didn't think it would fall in Newark. Do you think they would turn up for this one?

  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    Currently Cameron has a worse ratio of byelection holds in government than Gordon Brown.

    Is this really a positive narrative?
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    DavidL said:

    ToryJim said:

    DavidL said:

    On topic this seat looks like yet another worthy and pointless second for UKIP to me. The Lib Dems will presumably fall back sharply giving Labour and UKIP a boost but with enough of them turning blue to make the tories untouchable.

    Would the Labour vote fall again? That would be fun so near an election. There must be a good chance UKIP could squeeze them.

    I very much doubt the Lab vote would fall in S Cambs. Plus given the size of the L Dem vote a deposit hold would have to be a likelihood as can't see them losing that much share. I think though this could be marginally more tricky for Con to hold as there cannot be a candidate chosen until and unless Lansley is nodded to the EU. Others could get themselves geared up for a fight before the Cons could. I'd be wary of a by election here.
    I didn't think it would fall in Newark. Do you think they would turn up for this one?

    Yes, they've got in enough trouble with this one. They won't risk a repeat.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    BobaFett said:

    Currently Cameron has a worse ratio of byelection holds in government than Gordon Brown.

    Is this really a positive narrative?

    Ed Miliband should be licking his lips at turning South Cambs red like a rose then eh ?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,405
    Labour have 20000 Lib Dem votes to squeeze here, so they might be able to get about 4000 votes in total then.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    edited June 2014
    Edin_Rokz said:

    I hope you are not implying that an old Etonian would dump an old pal just to get him out of a job he is totally incompetent in, leaving the job up for grabs to maintain a momentum to return the Tory party back in 2015? Then again, the new job is totally within the gift of DC, I'm sure that those Europeans will be overjoyed and want DC's acolyte to lead them to the path of fiscal rectitude, just like wot he tried with the NHS.

    No, not at all. One striking thing about David Cameron is that he's very loyal to his friends.

    The thought is simply that I'm probably not the only person to see the irony in Cameron making a big fuss about how broken the EU is and how it urgently needs some (vague, unspecified) reform, then proceeding to use the one EU appointment he gets to make to reward an old friend who turned out to be too incompetent to be trusted with a ministerial portfolio.

    As long as the Juncker appointment goes through I guess the European Parliament will probably decide to suck it up, but Lansley would be wise not to resign his seat until everything's been voted through and he's confirmed his name is properly attached to the door of his new office. It would be embarrassing enough to get back from the parliamentary confirmation hearings and discover someone had pinned "BETTER OFF WITHOUT" to the back of your suit, without then realizing that you no longer have a job to go back to.
  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    TGOHF said:

    What excuse can Farage come up with for chickening out of this one ?

    Halloween?
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    I read this tweet first and so a little odd to come to PB and see this thread... OGH may have banked this winning in his mind too soon?


    Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
    On the UK's next EU Commissioner, @trevor_kavanagh today: "I can reveal it will not be Commons Leader Andrew Lansley". @TheSunNewspaper
  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    OT

    Talking of 'manufacturing'

    "Work has started to excavate Britain's first new metal mine for more than 40 years.

    The Hemerdon tungsten mine on the edge of Dartmoor will cost about £130m to dig and is expected to start producing the metal in 2015.

    The mine, near Plympton, will exploit the world's fourth-largest deposit of tungsten.

    Australian owners Wolf Minerals hope to produce about 3,000 tonnes of tungsten and tin per year.

    Charlotte Wilkins from the company said it would employ local people....

    Dr Robin Shail, from Camborne School of Mines, said at least 80% of world tungsten production took place in China, allowing it to dictate supply to the rest of the world.

    He said: "This is a really significant moment for south-west England. We are seeing the development of a significant global producer.

    "Hemerdon mine will probably be the third or fourth-biggest tungsten mine in the world"

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-27754535

    Have the Greens and LDs been protesting about this new mine?
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited June 2014
    Cambridgeshire South - GE2010- LibDems, 20,157. – Ukip, 1,873.

    Only the Lib Dems can beat the Tories here - could we see the numbers reversed in GE2015?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,668
    DavidL said:

    Looks like manufacturing is destined to grow faster than the overall economy this year: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/10885169/Manufacturers-predict-3.6pc-growth-in-buoyant-economy.html

    I wonder when that last happened? My suspicion would be that it would be at least 20 years ago. Manufacturing consistently fell as a share of the economy under the last government. We were told it was inevitable

    Globalisation in action. Just 10 years ago, there were far fewer people able to buy goods manufactured in the UK than there are now. Also worth noting the very positive role that trade unions such as Unite have played as manufacturing has bounced back.

  • Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019
    O/T.

    If, like me, you're bored stiff by the Scottish referendum, you'd best avoid Sky news today. Wall to wall coverage with a silly sofa.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708

    I read this tweet first and so a little odd to come to PB and see this thread... OGH may have banked this winning in his mind too soon?


    Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
    On the UK's next EU Commissioner, @trevor_kavanagh today: "I can reveal it will not be Commons Leader Andrew Lansley". @TheSunNewspaper

    Makes sense, it would be really weird to blow a big legacy appointment like this.
  • I do hope there'll be a bye-election in my home constituency of S Cambs. Politics has not ben too tense round here.

    The current UKIP ppc is Lister Wilson. He was a tory local councillor, who has tried 2/3 times to win his seat back under a UKIP badge, each time failing narrowly. He is a hard working, able and earnest school-master. But as an inspirational speaker? Even his mum wouldn't give him many out of 10.

    The previous LD parliamentary candidate was Sebastian Kindersley, who was leader of the LDs on the council. He was concientious, and well respected and popular across party lines. He has said he won't be standing next time. I don't know the name of the local LD ppc, or even if one has already been selected. His profile is non-existent.

    I would be surprised if there were any doubt about a Tory win.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    DavidL said:

    Looks like manufacturing is destined to grow faster than the overall economy this year: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/10885169/Manufacturers-predict-3.6pc-growth-in-buoyant-economy.html

    I wonder when that last happened? My suspicion would be that it would be at least 20 years ago. Manufacturing consistently fell as a share of the economy under the last government. We were told it was inevitable

    Globalisation in action. Just 10 years ago, there were far fewer people able to buy goods manufactured in the UK than there are now. Also worth noting the very positive role that trade unions such as Unite have played as manufacturing has bounced back.

    Like at Grangemouth ?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,668
    TGOHF said:

    DavidL said:

    Looks like manufacturing is destined to grow faster than the overall economy this year: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/10885169/Manufacturers-predict-3.6pc-growth-in-buoyant-economy.html

    I wonder when that last happened? My suspicion would be that it would be at least 20 years ago. Manufacturing consistently fell as a share of the economy under the last government. We were told it was inevitable

    Globalisation in action. Just 10 years ago, there were far fewer people able to buy goods manufactured in the UK than there are now. Also worth noting the very positive role that trade unions such as Unite have played as manufacturing has bounced back.

    Like at Grangemouth ?

    No, like in the UK auto sector.



  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,668
    edited June 2014
    In 2012, 51% of Silicon Valley workforce spoke language other than English at home vs 21% for rest of US.

    twitter.com/erikbryn/status/475761746196844544/photo/1
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,608
    DavidL said:

    On topic this seat looks like yet another worthy and pointless second for UKIP to me. The Lib Dems will presumably fall back sharply giving Labour and UKIP a boost but with enough of them turning blue to make the tories untouchable.

    Would the Labour vote fall again? That would be fun so near an election. There must be a good chance UKIP could squeeze them.

    South Cambs is much less fertile territory for UKIP than Newark (and that wasn't particularly fertile). UKIP was second here in the Euros, but didn't perform particularly well in the locals here (they didn't stand in all seats, and even where they did stand, didn't score too well).

    I would guess you would see a comfortable Conservative hold, and a tussle for second place between the LibDems and UKIP (provided the former bothered to turn up and fight).
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,945
    edited June 2014
    Good morning, everyone.

    Maybe. Labour might tactically vote for the Lib Dems. It does look reasonable for the blues, but they might be tempting fate.

    F1: after a very exciting race, why not relax with the cunning insights only available at the enormo-haddock blog?

    http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/canada-post-race-analysis.html

    Edited extra bit: Perez given 5 place grid penalty for the crash:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/27758096
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,405
    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    On topic this seat looks like yet another worthy and pointless second for UKIP to me. The Lib Dems will presumably fall back sharply giving Labour and UKIP a boost but with enough of them turning blue to make the tories untouchable.

    Would the Labour vote fall again? That would be fun so near an election. There must be a good chance UKIP could squeeze them.

    South Cambs is much less fertile territory for UKIP than Newark (and that wasn't particularly fertile). UKIP was second here in the Euros, but didn't perform particularly well in the locals here (they didn't stand in all seats, and even where they did stand, didn't score too well).

    I would guess you would see a comfortable Conservative hold, and a tussle for second place between the LibDems and UKIP (provided the former bothered to turn up and fight).
    In betting terms this is all about 2nd place/ W/o Con
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    DavidL said:

    Looks like manufacturing is destined to grow faster than the overall economy this year: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/10885169/Manufacturers-predict-3.6pc-growth-in-buoyant-economy.html

    I wonder when that last happened? My suspicion would be that it would be at least 20 years ago. Manufacturing consistently fell as a share of the economy under the last government. We were told it was inevitable

    Globalisation in action. Just 10 years ago, there were far fewer people able to buy goods manufactured in the UK than there are now. Also worth noting the very positive role that trade unions such as Unite have played as manufacturing has bounced back.

    Like at Grangemouth ?

    No, like in the UK auto sector.



    But not at the London Gateway port .
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,668
    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    DavidL said:

    Looks like manufacturing is destined to grow faster than the overall economy this year: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/10885169/Manufacturers-predict-3.6pc-growth-in-buoyant-economy.html

    I wonder when that last happened? My suspicion would be that it would be at least 20 years ago. Manufacturing consistently fell as a share of the economy under the last government. We were told it was inevitable

    Globalisation in action. Just 10 years ago, there were far fewer people able to buy goods manufactured in the UK than there are now. Also worth noting the very positive role that trade unions such as Unite have played as manufacturing has bounced back.

    Like at Grangemouth ?

    No, like in the UK auto sector.



    But not at the London Gateway port .

    Au contraire. The port is doing well and is moving towards a deal with the unions:

    http://www.unitetheunion.org/how-we-help/listofregions/londonandeastern/londoneasternnews/dpw-opens-gateway-to-unite/

  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,780
    DavidL said:

    Looks like manufacturing is destined to grow faster than the overall economy this year: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/10885169/Manufacturers-predict-3.6pc-growth-in-buoyant-economy.html

    I wonder when that last happened? My suspicion would be that it would be at least 20 years ago. Manufacturing consistently fell as a share of the economy under the last government. We were told it was inevitable

    2010 actually, allbeit as a partial bounce back from the disasters of 2008 and 2009.

    http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/datasets-and-tables/data-selector.html?cdid=K2JE&dataset=diop&table-id=H1

    Osborne then presided over two more manufacturing recessions.

  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708

    The current UKIP ppc is Lister Wilson. He was a tory local councillor, who has tried 2/3 times to win his seat back under a UKIP badge, each time failing narrowly. He is a hard working, able and earnest school-master. But as an inspirational speaker? Even his mum wouldn't give him many out of 10.

    Just in case anyone connected with UKIP selections is reading this site I should mention that if you were to select David Kendrick to fight the seat, he'd attract support and volunteers from pb from across party lines.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,521
    Not too long ago, the Conservatives wouldn't have dared to cause a by-election in a seat where the Lib Dems are a strong second. I'd expect a result like Con 40%, UKIP 25%, Lib Dem 20%.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,945
    edited June 2014
    F1: Just watching Ted's Notebook on the Sky F1 site. Apparently the brake and MGU problems for Mercedes, as had been suggested, are linked. The MGUs help with rear braking, so when they failed that caused or exacerbated the brake problem.

    Also heard that Perez's brake problems had been resolved (it was a brake-by-wire issue that the team thought had been resolved). However, he did brake very early (Massa braked 5m earlier than his previous lap at the corner they crashed) and the stewards believe Perez moved illegally, hence the penalty.

    Also hard to disagree with Rob Smedley's suggestion that it was not very clever to let a driver stay out if they had such a potential brake problem.

    Edited extra bit: Newey's leaving. Sounds like he'll design the 2015 car and from then on it'll be up to others. I think he'll have an advisory role after 2015.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046
    Blue_rog said:

    O/T.

    If, like me, you're bored stiff by the Scottish referendum, you'd best avoid Sky news today. Wall to wall coverage with a silly sofa.

    Today on R5 they interviewed a woman who mumbled something about pensions being a key issue.

    For independence?

    FFS fine to pick one party vs another but for the freedom of your country from the shackles of the Imperial Overlord (or not, as she was in fact a "no" supporter)?

    God help us if it comes down to tax revenue projections under each scenario.

    I would respect a view (which tbf is closer to the Yes approach) which said:

    "Pensions? Debt? Tax? Who the f*** cares? We want independence."
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    In case he's reading, could I put out a cheeky request to @Andy_JS? I know that you keep things like European and local election results tabulated by region. Do you have any tables of the recent elections that you would be willing to share on the subject?
  • Innocent_AbroadInnocent_Abroad Posts: 3,294
    edited June 2014
    DavidL said:

    fitalass said:
    It seems even now the Lib Dems want to be all things to all men. So the want a "rule" that during periods of growth debt should be reduced. What does that mean? A surplus or simply debt falling as a % of GDP?

    They want to achieve this but, unlike those nasty tories, they don't want to cut spending. Presumably they are going to increase taxes then, and very substantially.

    He does not want to talk about the cuts that Danny has already signed up for to get rid of the present humongous deficit, the task that will completely dominate the next Parliament. He is presumably going to pretend this is just going to happen by some sort of magic.

    He is going to play the same sort of games that Brown did claiming it is ok to borrow for investment, so long as that investment is promoting growth. So that will be alright then. That sort of rule and the so called golden rule worked out so well the last time.

    There is a legitimate and important debate to be had about where the cuts pencilled in for the next 5 years are to fall. There is a debate to be had about the balance between taxes and cuts, particularly welfare cuts.

    It is a major part of our problem that we spend so much on current spending making the funding of capital spending so difficult. But this looks like a lame and pretty dishonest contribution to that debate. It suggests easy answers even after 4 years of finding out just how hard government can be.

    Government is only hard for cowards.

    The obvious answer is to round up all the Labour supporters, exterminate them and use their savings to pay off the national debt. After all, neither Her Gracious Majesty nor John Loony (if I have that the right way round, it's hard to tell) would be in the least inconvenienced.

    I'm beginning to feel the same as SD [7.03am]. Time for OGH to put the site up for sale?
  • david_kendrick1david_kendrick1 Posts: 325
    edited June 2014

    The current UKIP ppc is Lister Wilson. He was a tory local councillor, who has tried 2/3 times to win his seat back under a UKIP badge, each time failing narrowly. He is a hard working, able and earnest school-master. But as an inspirational speaker? Even his mum wouldn't give him many out of 10.

    The current UKIP ppc is Lister Wilson. He was a tory local councillor, who has tried 2/3 times to win his seat back under a UKIP badge, each time failing narrowly. He is a hard working, able and earnest school-master. But as an inspirational speaker? Even his mum wouldn't give him many out of 10.

    Just in case anyone connected with UKIP selections is reading this site I should mention that if you were to select David Kendrick to fight the seat, he'd attract support and volunteers from pb from across party lines.
    Thanks for that support.

    The highest profile local man who is basically UKIP is Robin Page. He left UKIP over some minor technicality. Irritated, he stood as an independent in 2010, and beat the official UKIP candidate, with nearly 2000 'personal' votes. If we could somehow get him back on board (he was our candidate in 2005) and add those votes to our previous 'paper' candidate's vote, it wouldn't look quite so unpromising.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Blame the English...

    @skynewsniall: As I've just reported, senior sources within Scottish govt say Obama comments on #indyref came after direct request from London
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    edited June 2014
    On the not-Lansley thing: If the assumption from the thread the other day during the May vs Gove bun-fight was right and top Tories don't expect to win, wouldn't a bigger hitter than Lansley be interested in the job? A bigger politician generally means a bigger job - if he's not interested in the leadership, does William Hague really want another term in opposition? Or what's George Osborne's next step if Cameron loses?

    This also ties into the Juncker thing: I didn't see it but on Marr apparently Hague was soft-pedalling the anti-Juncker angle and saying how there were various different jobs and they needed to ensure a proper balance; Since there's no way to split the difference between giving the Commission job to the candidate with most votes and giving it to someone else, and since the antis don't seem to have a blocking minority so the latter isn't possible, isn't the obvious way to square the circle to give another big job to a big British Tory?
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    TGOHF said:

    BobaFett said:

    Currently Cameron has a worse ratio of byelection holds in government than Gordon Brown.

    Is this really a positive narrative?

    Ed Miliband should be licking his lips at turning South Cambs red like a rose then eh ?
    Erm, no. That wasn't my point.
    Chances of a Labour win here - absolute zero.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    On topic, it's generally better to walk around banana skins rather than to step on them in an experiment to see just how slippery they are.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    I can't wait to hear Clegg's speech. As trailed it's so intellectually incoherent it beggars belief.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,161
    So is Martin Callanan really in with a shout of the job? He is looking for work, after all.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,945
    Mr. M, what's it about?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,330
    Scott_P said:

    Blame the English...

    @skynewsniall: As I've just reported, senior sources within Scottish govt say Obama comments on #indyref came after direct request from London


    Feel free to equate the Coalition Tory-LD Government with the English nation, and thereby get your Scots = racist conclusion. Not all of us follow that syllogism.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,405
    antifrank said:

    On topic, it's generally better to walk around banana skins rather than to step on them in an experiment to see just how slippery they are.

    Maybe so, but Cameron is a bit of a (political) gambling man. He's let the Scots have their referendum and I think there WILL be a referendum in 2017 if there is a Con Majority (A big proviso but one Dave can't really get around). A S Cambridge hold looks very very safe in comparison to either of those and will keep the feeling of CON momentum up

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,945
    Mr. Carnyx, haven't you just equated the Scottish Government with the Scottish people? (ie done exactly what you criticised Mr. P for).
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046
    BobaFett said:

    TGOHF said:

    BobaFett said:

    Currently Cameron has a worse ratio of byelection holds in government than Gordon Brown.

    Is this really a positive narrative?

    Ed Miliband should be licking his lips at turning South Cambs red like a rose then eh ?
    Erm, no. That wasn't my point.
    Chances of a Labour win here - absolute zero.
    Am I missing the point but at what stage will Labour, as main opposition further-than-mid-term in what surely is the nastiest, most callous government of our age, actually start trying to win by-elections?
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    TOPPING said:

    BobaFett said:

    TGOHF said:

    BobaFett said:

    Currently Cameron has a worse ratio of byelection holds in government than Gordon Brown.

    Is this really a positive narrative?

    Ed Miliband should be licking his lips at turning South Cambs red like a rose then eh ?
    Erm, no. That wasn't my point.
    Chances of a Labour win here - absolute zero.
    Am I missing the point but at what stage will Labour, as main opposition further-than-mid-term in what surely is the nastiest, most callous government of our age, actually start trying to win by-elections?
    You have short memories.

    They already have taken Corby - directly from the Tories.

    Doh!
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    Mr Dancer, I believe it proposes:

    - reducing debt as a percentage of GDP during times of economic growth
    - running a balanced budget over an economic cycle, except for borrowing for capital spending.

    That's paraphrased from the Guardian. The Daily Mail is its usual intemperate self.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,956
    @PopulusPolls: New Populus VI: Lab 36 (+1); Cons 35 (+1); LD 9 (=); UKIP 14 (=); Oth 7 (-2) Tables http://t.co/m4CPxHDB5Q
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    BobaFett said:

    TOPPING said:

    BobaFett said:

    TGOHF said:

    BobaFett said:

    Currently Cameron has a worse ratio of byelection holds in government than Gordon Brown.

    Is this really a positive narrative?

    Ed Miliband should be licking his lips at turning South Cambs red like a rose then eh ?
    Erm, no. That wasn't my point.
    Chances of a Labour win here - absolute zero.
    Am I missing the point but at what stage will Labour, as main opposition further-than-mid-term in what surely is the nastiest, most callous government of our age, actually start trying to win by-elections?
    You have short memories.

    They already have taken Corby - directly from the Tories.

    Doh!
    The low hanging fruit is one thing, in by elections you should be frightening your opponents deep in their territory.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,141

    Mr. Carnyx, haven't you just equated the Scottish Government with the Scottish people? (ie done exactly what you criticised Mr. P for).

    No he hasn't.

    First suggestion of Westminster influence was from (I presume English) FT chief foreign affairs commentator Gideon Rachman. Perhaps he's got a Scottish granny or something.

    Gideon Rachman @gideonrachman · Jun 5
    Those remarks from Obama on Scotland were not spontaneous. Came after an informal request from No 10.


  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,956
    On topic it should be Michael Howard.

    No need for a by election.

    This post has nothing to do with the fact that I have a betting slip with Michael Howard's as our next man in Bruxelles at 25/1.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    BobaFett said:

    TOPPING said:

    BobaFett said:

    TGOHF said:

    BobaFett said:

    Currently Cameron has a worse ratio of byelection holds in government than Gordon Brown.

    Is this really a positive narrative?

    Ed Miliband should be licking his lips at turning South Cambs red like a rose then eh ?
    Erm, no. That wasn't my point.
    Chances of a Labour win here - absolute zero.
    Am I missing the point but at what stage will Labour, as main opposition further-than-mid-term in what surely is the nastiest, most callous government of our age, actually start trying to win by-elections?
    You have short memories.

    They already have taken Corby - directly from the Tories.

    Doh!
    Would you be confident of taking Corby if a b/e was called for 2 weeks time ?

  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    edited June 2014

    @PopulusPolls: New Populus VI: Lab 36 (+1); Cons 35 (+1); LD 9 (=); UKIP 14 (=); Oth 7 (-2) Tables http://t.co/m4CPxHDB5Q

    It must be fairly certain that ICM will show at worst a tie , more likely a Tory lead .
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,945
    Mr. M, reducing debt's a good idea. Of course, it would require a surplus.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,956
    Should I be worried that Chris Huhne in his Guardian column comes to the same conclusion as I did re the May/Gove row.

    There is a second, implicit message in David Cameron's swift put-down of his two colleagues. It is that he does not want to be fought over as if he were a warm corpse. He is not dead yet, and does not take kindly to infighting that suggests senior Conservatives are already jockeying for position post-Cameron.

    It looks defeatist, as it implies they agree with the bookies that the Tories are unlikely to win the general election.


    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/08/michael-gove-theresa-may-spat-david-cameron?CMP=twt_gu
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,945
    Mr. Eagles, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    There will not be a by election in South Cambs IMO . If necessary , the seat would be left vacant for 5/6 months prior to the 2015 GE .
    For Mr Kendrick's information Sebastien Kindersley would be the Lib Dem candidate should there be a by election .
    The parliamentary constituency includes only part of South Cambs DC and one ( Lib Dem ) ward of Cambridge City council Queens Edith .
    Approx results for last local elections ( mostly this May ) held in the wards making up the seat are

    Con 14,300
    LD 10,000
    Lab 5,700
    UKIP 2,800
    Green 2,000
    Inds 2,800

    The Independent votes would probably split 1,200 Con 800 Lib Dem 800 Other parties
  • shadsyshadsy Posts: 289
    Ladbrokes have resurrected our market on next EU Commissioner following the very welcome prediction in The Sun that Lansley wouldn't get it.

    http://politicalbookie.wordpress.com/2014/06/09/is-lansley-our-next-eu-commissioner-latest-betting-reaction/
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    edited June 2014

    Mr. M, reducing debt's a good idea. Of course, it would require a surplus.

    Mr Dancer, if you knew me better, you would know that the coalition's failure to address the deficit is the subject that riles me up most. I'm all for debt reduction. I'll admit there's an argument that Osborne has done the best he can in the circumstances - I just disagree. I think he's kicked the deficit can down the road.

    Clegg's proposals are just more of the same. It's Coalition II: The Kickening.

    The idea that there is a predictable economic cycle (or that politicians would recognise and act on it, should that mythical creature actually exist) is risible - exhibit A being CoE Brown.

  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189

    Mr. Eagles, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

    Only if it's mechanical, a broken digital clock is just blank, vacant and useless ;)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,956
    ToryJim said:

    Mr. Eagles, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

    Only if it's mechanical, a broken digital clock is just blank, vacant and useless ;)
    Messrs Jim and Dancer.

    That's not a nice thing to say about me.

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,945
    F1: 4 races left before the long mid-season interval. Hamilton can't win it during that phase, but he could make it near certain Rosberg will claim the title. I suspect the gap will have narrowed somewhat (or even be overhauled, though that would be a slight surprise) by the time the interval arrives.

    Betfair reckons Hamilton's just over evens, and Rosberg's about 2.22. I think that's more or less right.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    Mr Eagles, I'd assumed the reference was to Huhne not your good self.
  • Innocent_AbroadInnocent_Abroad Posts: 3,294
    John_M said:

    Mr. M, reducing debt's a good idea. Of course, it would require a surplus.

    Mr Dancer, if you knew me better, you would know that the coalition's failure to address the deficit is the subject that riles me up most. I'm all for debt reduction. I'll admit there's an argument that Osborne has done the best he can in the circumstances - I just disagree. I think he's kicked the deficit can down the road.

    Clegg's proposals are just more of the same. It's Coalition II: The Kickening.

    The idea that there is a predictable economic cycle (or that politicians would recognise and act on it, should that mythical creature actually exist) is risible - exhibit A being CoE Brown.

    When would you scrap the NHS and means-test pensions, John? To-morrow? Next year? Yesterday?

    Perhaps people should swear (on their preferred form of Scripture) that they believe in debt reduction before they're admitted to the electoral roll...
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    edited June 2014
    shadsy said:

    Ladbrokes have resurrected our market on next EU Commissioner following the very welcome prediction in The Sun that Lansley wouldn't get it.

    http://politicalbookie.wordpress.com/2014/06/09/is-lansley-our-next-eu-commissioner-latest-betting-reaction/

    Time to look at the big Tory names. Like I say up-thread the UK are going to need some compensation assuming Juncker gets the Commission presidency. The Council don't like to just grind dissenting countries into the dust - everybody always has to go home with fabulous prizes. So somebody has to get a big job, but you obviously can't give an important post to Andrew Lansley.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,956
    ToryJim said:

    Mr Eagles, I'd assumed the reference was to Huhne not your good self.

    I know.

    I have just in the last week been caught speeding and face 3 points on my license.

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,945
    Mr. M, you're quite right about the economic cycle being predictable (bit sleepy, didn't spot it before).

    I'd slightly take issue with your view on Coalition II: The Kickening. It should be Coalition II: Clegg Harder.

    Clegg's interest is retaining the role of DPM. His desire to join the euro and Mystic Clegg view of economic cycles does suggest his economic views are as mad as his EU-philia.

    Mr. Jim, indeed. Still, Huhne talks so much he's bound, by the law of averages, to accidentally not be wrong at some point.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,945
    Mr. Eagles, that's appalling. Licence*, not license, unless you're using it as a verb.
  • woody662woody662 Posts: 255
    Michael Howard stepped down from his job as Chairman of Arena Racecourses a little while back. Laying the ground maybe..
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,956

    Mr. Eagles, that's appalling. Licence*, not license, unless you're using it as a verb.

    Autocorrect.

    I did another horrible thing to the English language last night.

    I called a zebra a zee-bra.

  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    Mr Dancer, Huhne is the sort of person who if he told me anything I'd really need to check. I've rarely seen someone I've found more dislikeable, disreputable and oleaginous.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,668

    Mr. Eagles, that's appalling. Licence*, not license, unless you're using it as a verb.

    Yes - a thousand times yes. Ditto with practice and practise. Can we also crack down hard on the use of program instead of programme? It is always the latter unless a computer is involved. We are British, not American.

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,012
    More good news for George today: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10884643/UK-trumps-Germany-as-destination-for-investment.html

    This part was particularly startling:

    "The UK was the clear leader in attracting projects in the knowledge industries. Software investments surged by more than 50pc, with Britain securing more than a third of all projects in what is now Europe’s largest FDI sector."

    That is a third of all of the foreign direct investments in the whole of Europe were in the UK. Of course building some of the indigenous industry would not be a bad thing either.

    I went to a really interesting lecture a week past Saturday by Chris van Der Kuyl who runs 4Js (the traditional 3 Js in Dundee being Jute Jam and Journalism), the 4th J in Dundee now being joysticks apparently. It is astonishing how fast the economy is changing and how frivolities have become serious business (apologies to Max in advance).

    One small example. A very young man called Stumpie posts videos of himself playing games on Youtube explaining what you can do and the options. His videos get about 180m views a month (roughly the same number of views as the BBC) which in turn earns him about $180K a month. I am waiting for the day my son can pay his own school fees.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,668
    ToryJim said:
    A case of a headline not reflecting the contents of the article.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    Good piece on spitzenkandidat media coverage and awareness. Anti-Juncker people probably shouldn't hold out too much hope that the left-wing Italian government will join the right-wing blocking minority, since they seem to have reasonably high debate viewership and the people who paid attention probably won't respond well to being told the election was just for fun.

    http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2014/06/09/media-coverage-in-germany-and-the-uk-shows-why-both-countries-have-radically-different-views-over-who-should-be-the-next-commission-president/
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    edited June 2014

    John_M said:


    When would you scrap the NHS and means-test pensions, John? To-morrow? Next year? Yesterday?

    Perhaps people should swear (on their preferred form of Scripture) that they believe in debt reduction before they're admitted to the electoral roll...

    I think you're constructing a straw man. In fact two.

    Let me take 'em in reverse order. I don't think the electoral roll featured in any of my posts; I have merely ventured my opinion.

    Secondly, I know more about NHS palliative care than I'd like, but it's been excellent thus far, and I am truly thankful.

    Not withstanding my admiration, if we look ahead to 2015, the projected spends (in billions) are (out of c. £728 billion of public spending):

    Pensions - 148
    Health - 132
    Welfare - 113
    Education - 88
    Debt - 59

    That's around 75% of the total projected expenditure. It's harder to predict what proportion of that £728 billion will be borrowed - it was north of £100 billion last year. Whatever your political views, this can't continue ad nauseam.

    Sooner or later, we're going to have to cut or ration things that people REALLY care about, whether that's pensions, welfare, health or education. I believe the social scientists call this a 'wicked problem'.

    Note, I don't rule out tax increases; we're going to need those too. How they're implemented is probably another wicked problem.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    ToryJim said:
    A case of a headline not reflecting the contents of the article.
    SO

    you still on for a beer on thursday if sunil can make it ?
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708

    Mr. Eagles, that's appalling. Licence*, not license, unless you're using it as a verb.

    Yes - a thousand times yes. Ditto with practice and practise. Can we also crack down hard on the use of program instead of programme? It is always the latter unless a computer is involved. We are British, not American.

    Globalization is standardizing the English language, get with the program.
  • Bond_James_BondBond_James_Bond Posts: 1,939

    Mr. Eagles, that's appalling. Licence*, not license, unless you're using it as a verb.

    Yes - a thousand times yes. Ditto with practice and practise. Can we also crack down hard on the use of program instead of programme? It is always the latter unless a computer is involved. We are British, not American.

    It's not as bad as "font of all knowledge".

    A font is a basin found in a church that is used for christenings. A fount is a fountain or spring.

    Don't get me started on the constant mispelling of loth (meaning reluctant) as loathe (meaningless when misused for 'loth').
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