= perfect example of politicians (let's call them the "out of touch elite") dancing on the head of a pin, both falling off, and no one except uber-geeks (let's call them "PB-ers") giving a tuppenny f***.
Who said what to whom about a nuance of difference in response to the "Trojan Horse" problem.
No doubt there is an issue to be addressed by the govt regarding the practice* and behaviour of some such schools but allowing it to be subsumed by internecine politics doesn't show the Tories off in any good light at all.
Mr. Bond, I must admit I've made the loth/loathe mistake (indeed, the spellchecker thinks loth isn't a real word). So, it should be:
I was loth to vote UKIP, but the alternative was Ed Miliband.
?
Mr. Tokyo, S and Z forms are both correct in English. It's the Americans who only use Z, which has led some Britons to erroneously conclude the Z is American and the S is British.
Mr. Tokyo (2), why wouldn't the Italians mind being told their voting was just for fun? The EU got rid of their elected government and they didn't do anything in response.
Mr. Eagles, that's appalling. Licence*, not license, unless you're using it as a verb.
Yes - a thousand times yes. Ditto with practice and practise. Can we also crack down hard on the use of program instead of programme? It is always the latter unless a computer is involved. We are British, not American.
Globalization is standardizing the English language, get with the program.
Indeed. I have given up "correcting" Americanizations. There seems little doubt now that their variety of English is going to win in the end.
Good piece on spitzenkandidat media coverage and awareness. Anti-Juncker people probably shouldn't hold out too much hope that the left-wing Italian government will join the right-wing blocking minority, since they seem to have reasonably high debate viewership and the people who paid attention probably won't respond well to being told the election was just for fun.
So we're asked to believe that a process that results in only one (tiny) country having an electorate sufficiently informed that more than a quarter of its voters could name any of the candidates must as a matter of democratic mandate result in the candidate whose bloc secured around a third of the seats in the European Parliament being selected as European Commission President?
Mr. Carnyx, haven't you just equated the Scottish Government with the Scottish people? (ie done exactly what you criticised Mr. P for).
No he hasn't.
First suggestion of Westminster influence was from (I presume English) FT chief foreign affairs commentator Gideon Rachman. Perhaps he's got a Scottish granny or something.
Gideon Rachman @gideonrachman · Jun 5 Those remarks from Obama on Scotland were not spontaneous. Came after an informal request from No 10.
What is also interesting is that if one checks exactly what is said this is what Mr Obama actually said
"The UK has been an extraordinary partner to us. From the outside at least it looks like things have worked pretty well and we obviously have a deep interest in making sure one of the closest allies that we will ever have remains a strong, robust, united and effective partner. Ultimately these are decisions to be made by folks there."
Interesting caveat there - 'from the outside' (as the source article notes), and generally remarkably vague. Hardly the full-blooded urge to ignore the precedent of 1776 Mr Cameron presumably wanted.
Mr Eagles, I'd assumed the reference was to Huhne not your good self.
I know.
I have just in the last week been caught speeding and face 3 points on my license.
Sure you won't get a course to do ?
Been there done that. Since 2006 this takes me to 18 points.
Haha know the feeling. Renewing my insurance was nice this time round though as 4 points I previously received for speeding dropped off (for insurance purposes > 5 yrs old) leaving me at 3 points total. Theres a massive difference in 7 -> 3 points, got my insurance this time for £250 (Protected no claims) rather than 400 last time round.
Mr Eagles, I'd assumed the reference was to Huhne not your good self.
I know.
I have just in the last week been caught speeding and face 3 points on my license.
Sure you won't get a course to do ?
Been there done that. Since 2006 this takes me to 18 points.
So what would it take to stop you speeding? A fatal accident?
I am a very good driver. Normally when I get caught it is when I was doing mere miles over the limit or been caught in a bus lane that wasn't a bus lane a few weeks earlier.
Last month's was doing 64 in a 60
Between 2005 and 2012 I used to do 25k miles per year.
Mr. Carnyx, haven't you just equated the Scottish Government with the Scottish people? (ie done exactly what you criticised Mr. P for).
No he hasn't.
First suggestion of Westminster influence was from (I presume English) FT chief foreign affairs commentator Gideon Rachman. Perhaps he's got a Scottish granny or something.
Gideon Rachman @gideonrachman · Jun 5 Those remarks from Obama on Scotland were not spontaneous. Came after an informal request from No 10.
What is also interesting is that if one checks exactly what is said this is what Mr Obama actually said
"The UK has been an extraordinary partner to us. From the outside at least it looks like things have worked pretty well and we obviously have a deep interest in making sure one of the closest allies that we will ever have remains a strong, robust, united and effective partner. Ultimately these are decisions to be made by folks there."
Interesting caveat there - 'from the outside' (as the source article notes), and generally remarkably vague. Hardly the full-blooded urge to ignore the precedent of 1776 Mr Cameron presumably wanted.
Mr Eagles, I'd assumed the reference was to Huhne not your good self.
I know.
I have just in the last week been caught speeding and face 3 points on my license.
Sure you won't get a course to do ?
Been there done that. Since 2006 this takes me to 18 points.
So what would it take to stop you speeding? A fatal accident?
I am a very good driver. Normally when I get caught it is when I was doing mere miles over the limit or been caught in a bus lane that wasn't a bus lane a few weeks earlier.
On topic this seat looks like yet another worthy and pointless second for UKIP to me. The Lib Dems will presumably fall back sharply giving Labour and UKIP a boost but with enough of them turning blue to make the tories untouchable.
Would the Labour vote fall again? That would be fun so near an election. There must be a good chance UKIP could squeeze them.
South Cambs is much less fertile territory for UKIP than Newark (and that wasn't particularly fertile). UKIP was second here in the Euros, but didn't perform particularly well in the locals here (they didn't stand in all seats, and even where they did stand, didn't score too well).
I would guess you would see a comfortable Conservative hold, and a tussle for second place between the LibDems and UKIP (provided the former bothered to turn up and fight).
I find it very hard to work out what UKIP will do even seat by seat. In 2010 their votes allowed the return of 21 MPs whose views on Yerp, foreign aid, and immigration they presumably find pretty abhorrent.
If you consider matters on the basis of seats where the winner's margin over the Tories was less than UKIP's vote, you get this list:
Labour MPs elected by the UKIP vote: Julie Hilling Chris Williamson Natascha Engel Ian Austin Austin Mitchell Glenda Jackson Tom Blenkinsop Ed Balls Paul Farrelly Alison Seabeck John Denham David Wright David Winnick Valerie Vaz Alison McGovern
LD MPs elected by the UKIP vote: Annette Brooke Lorely Burt David Heath Stephen Gilbert Andrew George Tessa Munt
It is a list of many of the ghastliest federalists imaginable. Glenda Jackson? Austin Mitchell? Ed Balls? Valerie "Keith's sister" Vaz? All the above are in effect UKIP's MPs.
They got routed in Newark yet consider it a triumph so GOK what they'd consider a bad result in Cambs.
Mr Eagles, I'd assumed the reference was to Huhne not your good self.
I know.
I have just in the last week been caught speeding and face 3 points on my license.
Sure you won't get a course to do ?
Been there done that. Since 2006 this takes me to 18 points.
So what would it take to stop you speeding? A fatal accident?
I am a very good driver. Normally when I get caught it is when I was doing mere miles over the limit or been caught in a bus lane that wasn't a bus lane a few weeks earlier.
Last month's was doing 64 in a 60
Christ, where was that ?
I thought you got 10% margin for speedos (not the swimming kind) being imperfect? Is that an urban myth or just an Anorakian brainfart?
Currently Cameron has a worse ratio of byelection holds in government than Gordon Brown.
Is this really a positive narrative?
Ed Miliband should be licking his lips at turning South Cambs red like a rose then eh ?
Erm, no. That wasn't my point. Chances of a Labour win here - absolute zero.
Am I missing the point but at what stage will Labour, as main opposition further-than-mid-term in what surely is the nastiest, most callous government of our age, actually start trying to win by-elections?
When the constituency falls into the 35% hole.
One Nation Labour - 'Tax the South, and splurge in the North'
Mr. Carnyx, haven't you just equated the Scottish Government with the Scottish people? (ie done exactly what you criticised Mr. P for).
The wording was admittedly sloppy, but - apart from the point which Mr Divvie made - it might be pleaded, in defence to your thoughts, that the Scots government are all by definition Scots (people who live and work in Scotland), whereas the UK government is, well, a UK government. To claim that the Scots are racist or 'blam[ing] the English' just because they are criticising the Coalition Gmt, Westminster, etc., is simply wrong, however convenient it may be. Nor does it help rational analysis on PB.
Mr Eagles, I'd assumed the reference was to Huhne not your good self.
I know.
I have just in the last week been caught speeding and face 3 points on my license.
Sure you won't get a course to do ?
Been there done that. Since 2006 this takes me to 18 points.
So what would it take to stop you speeding? A fatal accident?
I am a very good driver. Normally when I get caught it is when I was doing mere miles over the limit or been caught in a bus lane that wasn't a bus lane a few weeks earlier.
Mr. Carnyx, haven't you just equated the Scottish Government with the Scottish people? (ie done exactly what you criticised Mr. P for).
No he hasn't.
First suggestion of Westminster influence was from (I presume English) FT chief foreign affairs commentator Gideon Rachman. Perhaps he's got a Scottish granny or something.
Gideon Rachman @gideonrachman · Jun 5 Those remarks from Obama on Scotland were not spontaneous. Came after an informal request from No 10.
What is also interesting is that if one checks exactly what is said this is what Mr Obama actually said
"The UK has been an extraordinary partner to us. From the outside at least it looks like things have worked pretty well and we obviously have a deep interest in making sure one of the closest allies that we will ever have remains a strong, robust, united and effective partner. Ultimately these are decisions to be made by folks there."
Interesting caveat there - 'from the outside' (as the source article notes), and generally remarkably vague. Hardly the full-blooded urge to ignore the precedent of 1776 Mr Cameron presumably wanted.
'David Cameron is ruining case for Scotland to remain part of UK, Gordon Brown warns' - Former Prime Minister launches withering attack on his successor as fears mount that pro-Union campaign is driving voters towards Scottish independence
Mr Brown, whose represents the Scottish seat of Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath, said it would be a “big mistake” if the Scottish people were “were persuaded that this was an issue of Scotland versus Britain”.
“I think the nationalists want people to think it’s Scotland versus Britain or Scotland versus England. And I think sometimes the Government itself has fallen into this trap,” he told Sky News.
“That’s been a problem, you know. You see, David Cameron probably thought he was doing the right thing. He said ‘Go up to Scotland, make the case for the union’.
“And then people came up to Scotland and said: ‘Britain says no to Scotland having its share in the British currency’, or ‘Britain says your defence jobs are going to go if Scotland goes into independent’, or ‘Britain says you’re going to be bankrupt’.
“It was all done for the right reasons or the right motives, but it looked like Britain versus Scotland.”
Mr. Eagles, that's appalling. Licence*, not license, unless you're using it as a verb.
Yes - a thousand times yes. Ditto with practice and practise. Can we also crack down hard on the use of program instead of programme? It is always the latter unless a computer is involved. We are British, not American.
Globalization is standardizing the English language, get with the program.
There's nothing wrong with the "z". That's perfectly acceptable British English.
Mr Eagles, I'd assumed the reference was to Huhne not your good self.
I know.
I have just in the last week been caught speeding and face 3 points on my license.
Sure you won't get a course to do ?
Been there done that. Since 2006 this takes me to 18 points.
So what would it take to stop you speeding? A fatal accident?
I am a very good driver. Normally when I get caught it is when I was doing mere miles over the limit or been caught in a bus lane that wasn't a bus lane a few weeks earlier.
Last month's was doing 64 in a 60
Christ, where was that ?
Stocksbridge bypass
Average speed camera - yes I know the stretch, J35 off the M1 I think ?
I'll have to watch that in future when I head over to Manchester
Mr Eagles, I'd assumed the reference was to Huhne not your good self.
I know.
I have just in the last week been caught speeding and face 3 points on my license.
Sure you won't get a course to do ?
Been there done that. Since 2006 this takes me to 18 points.
So what would it take to stop you speeding? A fatal accident?
I am a very good driver. Normally when I get caught it is when I was doing mere miles over the limit or been caught in a bus lane that wasn't a bus lane a few weeks earlier.
Last month's was doing 64 in a 60
Christ, where was that ?
I thought you got 10% margin for speedos being imperfect? Is that an urban myth or just an Anorakian brainfart?
Yes and no. They have discretion. But if you've already been on the course no.
The ones I got caught are part of an average speed limit camera system.
'David Cameron is ruining case for Scotland to remain part of UK, Gordon Brown warns' - Former Prime Minister launches withering attack on his successor as fears mount that pro-Union campaign is driving voters towards Scottish independence
Mr Brown, whose represents the Scottish seat of Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath, said it would be a “big mistake” if the Scottish people were “were persuaded that this was an issue of Scotland versus Britain”.
“I think the nationalists want people to think it’s Scotland versus Britain or Scotland versus England. And I think sometimes the Government itself has fallen into this trap,” he told Sky News.
“That’s been a problem, you know. You see, David Cameron probably thought he was doing the right thing. He said ‘Go up to Scotland, make the case for the union’.
“And then people came up to Scotland and said: ‘Britain says no to Scotland having its share in the British currency’, or ‘Britain says your defence jobs are going to go if Scotland goes into independent’, or ‘Britain says you’re going to be bankrupt’.
“It was all done for the right reasons or the right motives, but it looked like Britain versus Scotland.”
'David Cameron is ruining case for Scotland to remain part of UK, Gordon Brown warns' - Former Prime Minister launches withering attack on his successor as fears mount that pro-Union campaign is driving voters towards Scottish independence
Mr Brown, whose represents the Scottish seat of Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath, said it would be a “big mistake” if the Scottish people were “were persuaded that this was an issue of Scotland versus Britain”.
“I think the nationalists want people to think it’s Scotland versus Britain or Scotland versus England. And I think sometimes the Government itself has fallen into this trap,” he told Sky News.
“That’s been a problem, you know. You see, David Cameron probably thought he was doing the right thing. He said ‘Go up to Scotland, make the case for the union’.
“And then people came up to Scotland and said: ‘Britain says no to Scotland having its share in the British currency’, or ‘Britain says your defence jobs are going to go if Scotland goes into independent’, or ‘Britain says you’re going to be bankrupt’.
“It was all done for the right reasons or the right motives, but it looked like Britain versus Scotland.”
[that the Scots government are all by definition Scots (people who live and work in Scotland]
You are beyond parody Carnyx.
As ever, Briskin and co shall attempt some multi level translation.
[Interesting caveat there - 'from the outside']
If you speak American - you need something Glock-like - When I played Counter-strike, I was always the terrorists with the dual [gold?] pistols, Yeah!!! But who cares about video games, eh?
Good piece on spitzenkandidat media coverage and awareness. Anti-Juncker people probably shouldn't hold out too much hope that the left-wing Italian government will join the right-wing blocking minority, since they seem to have reasonably high debate viewership and the people who paid attention probably won't respond well to being told the election was just for fun.
So we're asked to believe that a process that results in only one (tiny) country having an electorate sufficiently informed that more than a quarter of its voters could name any of the candidates must as a matter of democratic mandate result in the candidate whose bloc secured around a third of the seats in the European Parliament being selected as European Commission President?
Run that one past me again.
The parties said beforehand that they were going to support those candidates, hence the democratic mandate. The winning candidate, not yet having the support of 50% in parliament, got the elected representatives of the other parties to agree to support them, in the same way that David Cameron got less than 50% of the seats but got some extra support from the LibDems. That gets you the mandate despite not having 50%.
Mr Eagles, I'd assumed the reference was to Huhne not your good self.
I know.
I have just in the last week been caught speeding and face 3 points on my license.
Sure you won't get a course to do ?
Been there done that. Since 2006 this takes me to 18 points.
So what would it take to stop you speeding? A fatal accident?
I am a very good driver. Normally when I get caught it is when I was doing mere miles over the limit or been caught in a bus lane that wasn't a bus lane a few weeks earlier.
Last month's was doing 64 in a 60
Between 2005 and 2012 I used to do 25k miles per year.
Are you sure you are getting a ticket. Unless the ACPO guidelines have changed recently you would not face prosecution unless you were doing 68mph. Ie 60 +10% + 2.
Mr Eagles, I'd assumed the reference was to Huhne not your good self.
I know.
I have just in the last week been caught speeding and face 3 points on my license.
Sure you won't get a course to do ?
Been there done that. Since 2006 this takes me to 18 points.
So what would it take to stop you speeding? A fatal accident?
I am a very good driver. Normally when I get caught it is when I was doing mere miles over the limit or been caught in a bus lane that wasn't a bus lane a few weeks earlier.
Last month's was doing 64 in a 60
Christ, where was that ?
Stocksbridge bypass
Average speed camera - yes I know the stretch, J35 off the M1 I think ?
I'll have to watch that in future when I head over to Manchester
Yeah. Plus the bit when you get to Langsett is also a nightmare. You're meant to to go from 50 to 30 whilst up a hill.
Very interesting from Kavanagh. If not Lanley then who? Presumably Cameron will want this to be as strong eurosceptic and a powerful politician in their own right?
Mr Eagles, I'd assumed the reference was to Huhne not your good self.
I know.
I have just in the last week been caught speeding and face 3 points on my license.
Sure you won't get a course to do ?
Been there done that. Since 2006 this takes me to 18 points.
So what would it take to stop you speeding? A fatal accident?
I am a very good driver. Normally when I get caught it is when I was doing mere miles over the limit or been caught in a bus lane that wasn't a bus lane a few weeks earlier.
Last month's was doing 64 in a 60
Between 2005 and 2012 I used to do 25k miles per year.
Are you sure you are getting a ticket. Unless the ACPO guidelines have changed recently you would not face prosecution unless you were doing 68mph. Ie 60 +10% + 2.
The area I was caught in is an accident blackspot with average speed cameras, South Yorkshire police take a zero tolerance approach.
Along that stretch of the road the speed limit varies from 30 to 60
F1: Ladbrokes have Rosberg and Hamilton at 1.9 each to take the title.
Might put some on Hamilton so I'm all square or all green regardless of which driver takes it (I cannot see anyone else troubling them).
Edited extra bit: just done so. Hopefully one or two others backed the Rosberg 17 pre-season bet, which makes it quite possible to be green either way.
Already hedged on Betfair (Rosberg was 24 pre-season, though my stake was tiny so any profit will be minimal).
Just an aside, but when I hedge I always make it so that, at most, I'm equal either way, and usually so I make more if the bet rather than the hedge comes off. I think that's the better way to go, encourages me to get it right first time.
Very interesting from Kavanagh. If not Lanley then who? Presumably Cameron will want this to be as strong eurosceptic and a powerful politician in their own right?
Which makes you wonder why Lansley was in the frame as he always comes across as weak, wishy-washy and malleable.
On topic this seat looks like yet another worthy and pointless second for UKIP to me. The Lib Dems will presumably fall back sharply giving Labour and UKIP a boost but with enough of them turning blue to make the tories untouchable.
Would the Labour vote fall again? That would be fun so near an election. There must be a good chance UKIP could squeeze them.
South Cambs is much less fertile territory for UKIP than Newark (and that wasn't particularly fertile). UKIP was second here in the Euros, but didn't perform particularly well in the locals here (they didn't stand in all seats, and even where they did stand, didn't score too well).
I would guess you would see a comfortable Conservative hold, and a tussle for second place between the LibDems and UKIP (provided the former bothered to turn up and fight).
I find it very hard to work out what UKIP will do even seat by seat. In 2010 their votes allowed the return of 21 MPs whose views on Yerp, foreign aid, and immigration they presumably find pretty abhorrent.
If you consider matters on the basis of seats where the winner's margin over the Tories was less than UKIP's vote, you get this list:
Labour MPs elected by the UKIP vote: Julie Hilling Chris Williamson Natascha Engel Ian Austin Austin Mitchell Glenda Jackson Tom Blenkinsop Ed Balls Paul Farrelly Alison Seabeck John Denham David Wright David Winnick Valerie Vaz Alison McGovern
LD MPs elected by the UKIP vote: Annette Brooke Lorely Burt David Heath Stephen Gilbert Andrew George Tessa Munt
It is a list of many of the ghastliest federalists imaginable. Glenda Jackson? Austin Mitchell? Ed Balls? Valerie "Keith's sister" Vaz? All the above are in effect UKIP's MPs.
They got routed in Newark yet consider it a triumph so GOK what they'd consider a bad result in Cambs.
"They got routed in Newark yet consider it a triumph so GOK what they'd consider a bad result in Cambs"
No one said it was a triumph, where are you getting that?
It's not often that I think that shadsy is wide of the mark with his market-setting, but that's one example.
If he is so wide of the mark then you will certainly have taken advantage of the (rare) opportunity. How large is your stake, and which option did you plump for?
'David Cameron is ruining case for Scotland to remain part of UK, Gordon Brown warns' - Former Prime Minister launches withering attack on his successor as fears mount that pro-Union campaign is driving voters towards Scottish independence
Mr Brown, whose represents the Scottish seat of Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath, said it would be a “big mistake” if the Scottish people were “were persuaded that this was an issue of Scotland versus Britain”.
“I think the nationalists want people to think it’s Scotland versus Britain or Scotland versus England. And I think sometimes the Government itself has fallen into this trap,” he told Sky News.
“That’s been a problem, you know. You see, David Cameron probably thought he was doing the right thing. He said ‘Go up to Scotland, make the case for the union’.
“And then people came up to Scotland and said: ‘Britain says no to Scotland having its share in the British currency’, or ‘Britain says your defence jobs are going to go if Scotland goes into independent’, or ‘Britain says you’re going to be bankrupt’.
“It was all done for the right reasons or the right motives, but it looked like Britain versus Scotland.”
"How long do you think a white teacher would last in a British primary school if he were to tell his class of seven-year olds that all non-Christians were "filthy heathens"? Or if he referred to black people using the "n-word"? Or he accused all Muslims of being frustrated terrorists?"
Mr Eagles, I'd assumed the reference was to Huhne not your good self.
I know.
I have just in the last week been caught speeding and face 3 points on my license.
Sure you won't get a course to do ?
Been there done that. Since 2006 this takes me to 18 points.
So what would it take to stop you speeding? A fatal accident?
I am a very good driver. Normally when I get caught it is when I was doing mere miles over the limit or been caught in a bus lane that wasn't a bus lane a few weeks earlier.
Last month's was doing 64 in a 60
Between 2005 and 2012 I used to do 25k miles per year.
Are you sure you are getting a ticket. Unless the ACPO guidelines have changed recently you would not face prosecution unless you were doing 68mph. Ie 60 +10% + 2.
The area I was caught in is an accident blackspot with average speed cameras, South Yorkshire police take a zero tolerance approach.
Along that stretch of the road the speed limit varies from 30 to 60
Duded Powys must be more tolerant otherwise I would have had more than 3pts on my licence! Not that I am condoning speeding!
Mr. Bond, I must admit I've made the loth/loathe mistake (indeed, the spellchecker thinks loth isn't a real word). So, it should be:
I was loth to vote UKIP, but the alternative was Ed Miliband.
?
Mr. Tokyo, S and Z forms are both correct in English. It's the Americans who only use Z, which has led some Britons to erroneously conclude the Z is American and the S is British.
Mr. Tokyo (2), why wouldn't the Italians mind being told their voting was just for fun? The EU got rid of their elected government and they didn't do anything in response.
Shame on you. You stand corrected.
On Americanisms it is ridiculous to fight them because the language is already full of them. If you have ever used the expressions "stub your toe", "cuts no ice", "train station", "get it for free", "you're welcome", or even the word "maybe" - you have used an Americanism.
I do get a bit ticked off when any neologism simply trashes (oops, there I go again) a perfectly serviceable existing word. "Alternate", for example, used to mean "alternative", leaves us without a word for "alternate".
Mr Eagles, I'd assumed the reference was to Huhne not your good self.
I know.
I have just in the last week been caught speeding and face 3 points on my license.
Sure you won't get a course to do ?
Been there done that. Since 2006 this takes me to 18 points.
So what would it take to stop you speeding? A fatal accident?
I am a very good driver. Normally when I get caught it is when I was doing mere miles over the limit or been caught in a bus lane that wasn't a bus lane a few weeks earlier.
Last month's was doing 64 in a 60
Between 2005 and 2012 I used to do 25k miles per year.
Are you sure you are getting a ticket. Unless the ACPO guidelines have changed recently you would not face prosecution unless you were doing 68mph. Ie 60 +10% + 2.
The area I was caught in is an accident blackspot with average speed cameras, South Yorkshire police take a zero tolerance approach.
Along that stretch of the road the speed limit varies from 30 to 60
Dyfed Powys must be more tolerant otherwise I would have had more than 3pts on my licence! Not that I am condoning speeding!
'David Cameron is ruining case for Scotland to remain part of UK, Gordon Brown warns' - Former Prime Minister launches withering attack on his successor as fears mount that pro-Union campaign is driving voters towards Scottish independence
Mr Brown, whose represents the Scottish seat of Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath, said it would be a “big mistake” if the Scottish people were “were persuaded that this was an issue of Scotland versus Britain”.
“I think the nationalists want people to think it’s Scotland versus Britain or Scotland versus England. And I think sometimes the Government itself has fallen into this trap,” he told Sky News.
“That’s been a problem, you know. You see, David Cameron probably thought he was doing the right thing. He said ‘Go up to Scotland, make the case for the union’.
“And then people came up to Scotland and said: ‘Britain says no to Scotland having its share in the British currency’, or ‘Britain says your defence jobs are going to go if Scotland goes into independent’, or ‘Britain says you’re going to be bankrupt’.
“It was all done for the right reasons or the right motives, but it looked like Britain versus Scotland.”
"How long do you think a white teacher would last in a British primary school if he were to tell his class of seven-year olds that all non-Christians were "filthy heathens"? Or if he referred to black people using the "n-word"? Or he accused all Muslims of being frustrated terrorists?"
On topic this seat looks like yet another worthy and pointless second for UKIP to me. The Lib Dems will presumably fall back sharply giving Labour and UKIP a boost but with enough of them turning blue to make the tories untouchable.
Would the Labour vote fall again? That would be fun so near an election. There must be a good chance UKIP could squeeze them.
South Cambs is much less fertile territory for UKIP than Newark (and that wasn't particularly fertile). UKIP was second here in the Euros, but didn't perform particularly well in the locals here (they didn't stand in all seats, and even where they did stand, didn't score too well).
I would guess you would see a comfortable Conservative hold, and a tussle for second place between the LibDems and UKIP (provided the former bothered to turn up and fight).
I find it very hard to work out what UKIP will do even seat by seat. In 2010 their votes allowed the return of 21 MPs whose views on Yerp, foreign aid, and immigration they presumably find pretty abhorrent.
If you consider matters on the basis of seats where the winner's margin over the Tories was less than UKIP's vote, you get this list:
Labour MPs elected by the UKIP vote: Julie Hilling Chris Williamson Natascha Engel Ian Austin Austin Mitchell Glenda Jackson Tom Blenkinsop Ed Balls Paul Farrelly Alison Seabeck John Denham David Wright David Winnick Valerie Vaz Alison McGovern
LD MPs elected by the UKIP vote: Annette Brooke Lorely Burt David Heath Stephen Gilbert Andrew George Tessa Munt
It is a list of many of the ghastliest federasts imaginable. Glenda Jackson? Austin Mitchell? Ed Balls? Valerie "Keith's sister" Vaz? All the above are in effect UKIP's MPs.
They got routed in Newark yet consider it a triumph so GOK what they'd consider a bad result in Cambs.
"They got routed in Newark yet consider it a triumph so GOK what they'd consider a bad result in Cambs"
No one said it was a triumph, where are you getting that?
Don't worry Sam, Bond's posts usually bear little resemblance to reality. The idea that UKIP were routed in Newark is almost as laughable as the claim that Austin Mitchell - one of the Labour party's strongest Eurosceptics - is a 'ghastly federalist'.
Mr Eagles, I'd assumed the reference was to Huhne not your good self.
I know.
I have just in the last week been caught speeding and face 3 points on my license.
Sure you won't get a course to do ?
Been there done that. Since 2006 this takes me to 18 points.
So what would it take to stop you speeding? A fatal accident?
I am a very good driver. Normally when I get caught it is when I was doing mere miles over the limit or been caught in a bus lane that wasn't a bus lane a few weeks earlier.
Last month's was doing 64 in a 60
Christ, where was that ?
Stocksbridge bypass
Average speed camera - yes I know the stretch, J35 off the M1 I think ?
I'll have to watch that in future when I head over to Manchester
Average speed cameras are much more accurate than spot location speed cameras.
An average of 4 mph over the limit implies that TSE was likely to be further over the limit at some point in the average speed measurement zone.
On topic this seat looks like yet another worthy and pointless second for UKIP to me. The Lib Dems will presumably fall back sharply giving Labour and UKIP a boost but with enough of them turning blue to make the tories untouchable.
Would the Labour vote fall again? That would be fun so near an election. There must be a good chance UKIP could squeeze them.
South Cambs is much less fertile territory for UKIP than Newark (and that wasn't particularly fertile). UKIP was second here in the Euros, but didn't perform particularly well in the locals here (they didn't stand in all seats, and even where they did stand, didn't score too well).
I would guess you would see a comfortable Conservative hold, and a tussle for second place between the LibDems and UKIP (provided the former bothered to turn up and fight).
I find it very hard to work out what UKIP will do even seat by seat. In 2010 their votes allowed the return of 21 MPs whose views on Yerp, foreign aid, and immigration they presumably find pretty abhorrent.
If you consider matters on the basis of seats where the winner's margin over the Tories was less than UKIP's vote, you get this list:
Labour MPs elected by the UKIP vote: Julie Hilling Chris Williamson Natascha Engel Ian Austin Austin Mitchell Glenda Jackson Tom Blenkinsop Ed Balls Paul Farrelly Alison Seabeck John Denham David Wright David Winnick Valerie Vaz Alison McGovern
LD MPs elected by the UKIP vote: Annette Brooke Lorely Burt David Heath Stephen Gilbert Andrew George Tessa Munt
It is a list of many of the ghastliest federasts imaginable. Glenda Jackson? Austin Mitchell? Ed Balls? Valerie "Keith's sister" Vaz? All the above are in effect UKIP's MPs.
They got routed in Newark yet consider it a triumph so GOK what they'd consider a bad result in Cambs.
"They got routed in Newark yet consider it a triumph so GOK what they'd consider a bad result in Cambs"
No one said it was a triumph, where are you getting that?
They were pretty cock a hoop over their defeat over in the DT comments. They reckon they shook the political establishment by winning no councils on May 22 as well.
Mr Eagles, I'd assumed the reference was to Huhne not your good self.
I know.
I have just in the last week been caught speeding and face 3 points on my license.
Sure you won't get a course to do ?
Been there done that. Since 2006 this takes me to 18 points.
So what would it take to stop you speeding? A fatal accident?
I am a very good driver. Normally when I get caught it is when I was doing mere miles over the limit or been caught in a bus lane that wasn't a bus lane a few weeks earlier.
Last month's was doing 64 in a 60
Christ, where was that ?
Stocksbridge bypass
Sorry TSE, you can blame me in part for that. I was in one of the road crews that built that road back in 1987. :-)
It's not often that I think that shadsy is wide of the mark with his market-setting, but that's one example.
If he is so wide of the mark then you will certainly have taken advantage of the (rare) opportunity. How large is your stake, and which option did you plump for?
£100, over. I'm expecting turnout to be in the 80s.
Very interesting from Kavanagh. If not Lanley then who? Presumably Cameron will want this to be as strong eurosceptic and a powerful politician in their own right?
'David Cameron is ruining case for Scotland to remain part of UK, Gordon Brown warns' - Former Prime Minister launches withering attack on his successor as fears mount that pro-Union campaign is driving voters towards Scottish independence
Mr Brown, whose represents the Scottish seat of Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath, said it would be a “big mistake” if the Scottish people were “were persuaded that this was an issue of Scotland versus Britain”.
“I think the nationalists want people to think it’s Scotland versus Britain or Scotland versus England. And I think sometimes the Government itself has fallen into this trap,” he told Sky News.
“That’s been a problem, you know. You see, David Cameron probably thought he was doing the right thing. He said ‘Go up to Scotland, make the case for the union’.
“And then people came up to Scotland and said: ‘Britain says no to Scotland having its share in the British currency’, or ‘Britain says your defence jobs are going to go if Scotland goes into independent’, or ‘Britain says you’re going to be bankrupt’.
“It was all done for the right reasons or the right motives, but it looked like Britain versus Scotland.”
Best news of the campaign, Brown calls it wrong again.
Wasn't the Unionist line that Brown was a huge asset to the No campaign? Make up your minds please
depends on which Unionist you talk to :-)
Well, indeed. That is the whole angle of that Telegraph article: the 'No' camp is irrevocably split.
You'd better hope that Cameron and Osborne know more about Scots' psychology and voting behaviour than Brown and McLeish. But the weight of evidence would tend to suggest that the latter two know more about the subject.
Very interesting from Kavanagh. If not Lanley then who? Presumably Cameron will want this to be as strong eurosceptic and a powerful politician in their own right?
Boris???? Blocks off the competition.
Maybe not really the kind of detail person they need for the job, but I suppose it would get rid of a competitor for a while and distract attention from a climb-down on Juncker...
Meanwhile, a couple of pieces from sceptics trying to talk the whole anti-Juncker campaign down from the ledge with the obvious point that he's not particularly more or less federalist than any of the other people they might pick:
It's not often that I think that shadsy is wide of the mark with his market-setting, but that's one example.
If he is so wide of the mark then you will certainly have taken advantage of the (rare) opportunity. How large is your stake, and which option did you plump for?
£100, over. I'm expecting turnout to be in the 80s.
Thanks. I agree with you.
Incidentally, you would have been better going with Bwin's 75%+ at 6/5, although it is uncertain how large a stake they would allow you.
I thought you didn't get points if you were within 10% of the limit?
I thought so too, TSE needs to find a decent lawyer,
cough cough
Having just done the speed awareness course, can confirm that the guideline adopted by most police forces is speed limit * 110% + 2 so for example, the threshold is 35mph in a 30 limit. However, a PC is entitled to disregard the guideline and take action if the speed limit is exceeded by any margin.
The course is offered if you haven't attended one in the past three years (might be five) and you have exceeded the limite by a marginal extent - I think it was up to 63mph in a 50. There is then a band in which the 3 point penalty is given without any offer of a course and, finally, a final threshold above which a prosecution follows. The bands can be found online.
Very interesting from Kavanagh. If not Lanley then who? Presumably Cameron will want this to be as strong eurosceptic and a powerful politician in their own right?
Boris???? Blocks off the competition.
Doubt it. Boris is a raging "in the closet" Europhile, I think.
Mr Eagles, I'd assumed the reference was to Huhne not your good self.
I know.
I have just in the last week been caught speeding and face 3 points on my license.
Sure you won't get a course to do ?
Been there done that. Since 2006 this takes me to 18 points.
So what would it take to stop you speeding? A fatal accident?
I am a very good driver. ....
"Since 2006 this takes me to 18 points."
You don't see a contradiction between those two statements?
I might go as far to suggest that, given your admissions as to your driving practices the last time this subject was discussed on here, your definition of good is not one that would be recognised by anyone else in the English speaking world.
Very interesting from Kavanagh. If not Lanley then who? Presumably Cameron will want this to be as strong eurosceptic and a powerful politician in their own right?
Boris???? Blocks off the competition.
Doubt it. Boris is a raging "in the closet" Europhile, I think.
It's interesting how anyone who doesn't advocate concreting up the Channel Tunnel and carpet bombing Strasbourg is a closet europhile,
"How long do you think a white teacher would last in a British primary school if he were to tell his class of seven-year olds that all non-Christians were "filthy heathens"? Or if he referred to black people using the "n-word"? Or he accused all Muslims of being frustrated terrorists?"
Mr Eagles, I'd assumed the reference was to Huhne not your good self.
I know.
I have just in the last week been caught speeding and face 3 points on my license.
Sure you won't get a course to do ?
Been there done that. Since 2006 this takes me to 18 points.
So what would it take to stop you speeding? A fatal accident?
I am a very good driver. ....
"Since 2006 this takes me to 18 points."
You don't see a contradiction between those two statements?
I might go as far to suggest that, given your admissions as to your driving practices the last time this subject was discussed on here, your definition of good is not one that would be recognised by anyone else in the English speaking world.
Ha ha ha!!! Taking on science, F1 and human nature. Honestly, who would do such a thing??
"How long do you think a white teacher would last in a British primary school if he were to tell his class of seven-year olds that all non-Christians were "filthy heathens"? Or if he referred to black people using the "n-word"? Or he accused all Muslims of being frustrated terrorists?"
Are we absolutely certain we are getting all the information and filtering out the ground axes?!?
My guess would be we dont know the half of what goes on. The fact that the far right target muslims causes the left to act in a "my enemies enemy is my friend" manner, and criticism or action just doesnt happen.
The UKIP MEP for London suggested a Muslims charter, for spokesman who claim to represent Muslims to sign, so we could see they were anti jihadist... If I were working in Iraq and claiming to represent white Christians, I would have no problem signing a form that said I had no time for the actions of Tony Blair or George Bush, and I would understand Iraqi muslims being wary of me if I refused. Gerard Batten was accused of racism, the story was altered to make it look as though ALL muslims had to sign it etc etc
Whats happening in England with Muslims is exactly what Enoch Powell predicted. He had lived in India during WW2 and seen how Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs lived as three seperate communities rather than one country, and saw the madness that lie ahead if England imported that kind of division. Now we are reaping the reward of ignoring his clear logic and hiding behind the cowardly cloak of political correctness.
Mr Eagles, I'd assumed the reference was to Huhne not your good self.
I know.
I have just in the last week been caught speeding and face 3 points on my license.
Sure you won't get a course to do ?
Been there done that. Since 2006 this takes me to 18 points.
So what would it take to stop you speeding? A fatal accident?
I am a very good driver. ....
"Since 2006 this takes me to 18 points."
You don't see a contradiction between those two statements?
I might go as far to suggest that, given your admissions as to your driving practices the last time this subject was discussed on here, your definition of good is not one that would be recognised by anyone else in the English speaking world.
I worked it out ages ago, given the number of miles I used to drive, I got one point for every 15,000 miles I drive.
Mr Eagles, I'd assumed the reference was to Huhne not your good self.
I know.
I have just in the last week been caught speeding and face 3 points on my license.
Sure you won't get a course to do ?
Been there done that. Since 2006 this takes me to 18 points.
So what would it take to stop you speeding? A fatal accident?
I am a very good driver. ....
"Since 2006 this takes me to 18 points."
You don't see a contradiction between those two statements?
I might go as far to suggest that, given your admissions as to your driving practices the last time this subject was discussed on here, your definition of good is not one that would be recognised by anyone else in the English speaking world.
I worked it out ages ago, given the number of miles I used to drive, I got one point for every 15,000 miles I drive.
+100 TSE - I've done everything except get points, sometimes I would just wish they take my Licence away...
"How long do you think a white teacher would last in a British primary school if he were to tell his class of seven-year olds that all non-Christians were "filthy heathens"? Or if he referred to black people using the "n-word"? Or he accused all Muslims of being frustrated terrorists?"
Re driving. License held 25 years, no points, no at fault accidents since passing test, average 15k miles per year, bloody good looking. Can I play the good driver game?
"How long do you think a white teacher would last in a British primary school if he were to tell his class of seven-year olds that all non-Christians were "filthy heathens"? Or if he referred to black people using the "n-word"? Or he accused all Muslims of being frustrated terrorists?"
Are we absolutely certain we are getting all the information and filtering out the ground axes?!?
My guess would be we dont know the half of what goes on. The fact that the far right target muslims causes the left to act in a "my enemies enemy is my friend" manner, and criticism or action just doesnt happen.
The UKIP MEP for London suggested a Muslims charter, for spokesman who claim to represent Muslims to sign, so we could see they were anti jihadist... If I were working in Iraq and claiming to represent white Christians, I would have no problem signing a form that said I had no time for the actions of Tony Blair or George Bush, and I would understand Iraqi muslims being wary of me if I refused. Gerard Batten was accused of racism, the story was altered to make it look as though ALL muslims had to sign it etc etc
Whats happening in England with Muslims is exactly what Enoch Powell predicted. He had lived in India during WW2 and seen how Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs lived as three seperate communities rather than one country, and saw the madness that lie ahead if England imported that kind of division. Now we are reaping the reward of ignoring his clear logic and hiding behind the cowardly cloak of political correctness.
So things are different in N.Ireland, Scotland and Wales, then?
Re driving. License held 25 years, no points, no at fault accidents since passing test, average 15k miles per year, bloody good looking. Can I play the good driver game?
Mr Eagles, I'd assumed the reference was to Huhne not your good self.
I know.
I have just in the last week been caught speeding and face 3 points on my license.
Sure you won't get a course to do ?
Been there done that. Since 2006 this takes me to 18 points.
So what would it take to stop you speeding? A fatal accident?
I am a very good driver. ....
"Since 2006 this takes me to 18 points."
You don't see a contradiction between those two statements?
I might go as far to suggest that, given your admissions as to your driving practices the last time this subject was discussed on here, your definition of good is not one that would be recognised by anyone else in the English speaking world.
I worked it out ages ago, given the number of miles I used to drive, I got one point for every 15,000 miles I drive.
Have you thought of donating all your points to your wife or someone else you know?
I believe it's quite a common practice in Southern England. I'm sending any I get to Richard Nabavi..
@isam I agree that things haven't been tackled properly for too long however I've worked with dozens of Muslims and all of them have been decent and ordinary and no different to the rest of us.
Yes that charter suggestion was nuts and would exacerbate the issues. It would solve nothing, could make things worse and looks very much like the thin end of a terrifying wedge.
"How long do you think a white teacher would last in a British primary school if he were to tell his class of seven-year olds that all non-Christians were "filthy heathens"? Or if he referred to black people using the "n-word"? Or he accused all Muslims of being frustrated terrorists?"
Are we absolutely certain we are getting all the information and filtering out the ground axes?!?
My guess would be we dont know the half of what goes on. The fact that the far right target muslims causes the left to act in a "my enemies enemy is my friend" manner, and criticism or action just doesnt happen.
The UKIP MEP for London suggested a Muslims charter, for spokesman who claim to represent Muslims to sign, so we could see they were anti jihadist... If I were working in Iraq and claiming to represent white Christians, I would have no problem signing a form that said I had no time for the actions of Tony Blair or George Bush, and I would understand Iraqi muslims being wary of me if I refused. Gerard Batten was accused of racism, the story was altered to make it look as though ALL muslims had to sign it etc etc
Whats happening in England with Muslims is exactly what Enoch Powell predicted. He had lived in India during WW2 and seen how Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs lived as three seperate communities rather than one country, and saw the madness that lie ahead if England imported that kind of division. Now we are reaping the reward of ignoring his clear logic and hiding behind the cowardly cloak of political correctness.
So things are different in N.Ireland, Scotland and Wales, then?
Apologies if I am mistaken, but I didnt think their was large scale immigration to those countries as there is to England. I cant think of any terrorism, although terrorism may not actually be the most dangerous problem if Maajid Nawaz was correct on the Sunday Politics
Re driving. License held 25 years, no points, no at fault accidents since passing test, average 15k miles per year, bloody good looking. Can I play the good driver game?
Yes!, You can, you did, and you just passed.
Go me! We will not mention the no damage, reversed into a tree that wasn't there a few moments before incident though!
Mr Eagles, I'd assumed the reference was to Huhne not your good self.
I know.
I have just in the last week been caught speeding and face 3 points on my license.
Sure you won't get a course to do ?
Been there done that. Since 2006 this takes me to 18 points.
So what would it take to stop you speeding? A fatal accident?
I am a very good driver. ....
"Since 2006 this takes me to 18 points."
You don't see a contradiction between those two statements?
I might go as far to suggest that, given your admissions as to your driving practices the last time this subject was discussed on here, your definition of good is not one that would be recognised by anyone else in the English speaking world.
I worked it out ages ago, given the number of miles I used to drive, I got one point for every 15,000 miles I drive.
Have you thought of donating all your points to your wife or someone else you know?
I believe it's quite a common practice in Southern England. I'm sending any I get to Richard Nabavi..
My Dad once got pulled over for speeding, but the copper saw my Dad's hospital car park pass, and let him off.
My Dad blamed me for that one! Saying it was my fault I had bought him that car.
"How long do you think a white teacher would last in a British primary school if he were to tell his class of seven-year olds that all non-Christians were "filthy heathens"? Or if he referred to black people using the "n-word"? Or he accused all Muslims of being frustrated terrorists?"
Mr Eagles, I'd assumed the reference was to Huhne not your good self.
I know.
I have just in the last week been caught speeding and face 3 points on my license.
Sure you won't get a course to do ?
Been there done that. Since 2006 this takes me to 18 points.
So what would it take to stop you speeding? A fatal accident?
I am a very good driver. ....
"Since 2006 this takes me to 18 points."
You don't see a contradiction between those two statements?
I might go as far to suggest that, given your admissions as to your driving practices the last time this subject was discussed on here, your definition of good is not one that would be recognised by anyone else in the English speaking world.
I worked it out ages ago, given the number of miles I used to drive, I got one point for every 15,000 miles I drive.
Have you thought of donating all your points to your wife or someone else you know?
I believe it's quite a common practice in Southern England. I'm sending any I get to Richard Nabavi..
My Dad once got pulled over for speeding, but the copper saw my Dad's hospital car park pass, and let him off.
My Dad blamed me for that one! Saying it was my fault I had bought him that car.
In the 70s my father parked in the centre of town to nip in and buy a jumper. When he came out he found the street had been cleared and the Army were about to detonate his car as a suspected car bomb.
Bit embarassing what with him being a policeman too and knowing he shouldn't have parked there. Oops.
"How long do you think a white teacher would last in a British primary school if he were to tell his class of seven-year olds that all non-Christians were "filthy heathens"? Or if he referred to black people using the "n-word"? Or he accused all Muslims of being frustrated terrorists?"
Do you have the original sources for the implied claim that a Muslim teacher has done that? It's outrageous if true, but I can't find any results on Google for it.
Mr Eagles, I'd assumed the reference was to Huhne not your good self.
I know.
I have just in the last week been caught speeding and face 3 points on my license.
Sure you won't get a course to do ?
Been there done that. Since 2006 this takes me to 18 points.
So what would it take to stop you speeding? A fatal accident?
I am a very good driver. ....
"Since 2006 this takes me to 18 points."
You don't see a contradiction between those two statements?
I might go as far to suggest that, given your admissions as to your driving practices the last time this subject was discussed on here, your definition of good is not one that would be recognised by anyone else in the English speaking world.
I worked it out ages ago, given the number of miles I used to drive, I got one point for every 15,000 miles I drive.
Have you thought of donating all your points to your wife or someone else you know?
I believe it's quite a common practice in Southern England. I'm sending any I get to Richard Nabavi..
My Dad once got pulled over for speeding, but the copper saw my Dad's hospital car park pass, and let him off.
My Dad blamed me for that one! Saying it was my fault I had bought him that car.
In the 70s my father parked in the centre of town to nip in and buy a jumper. When he came out he found the street had been cleared and the Army were about to detonate his car as a suspected car bomb.
Bit embarassing what with him being a policeman too and knowing he shouldn't have parked there. Oops.
I find it very hard to work out what UKIP will do even seat by seat. In 2010 their votes allowed the return of 21 MPs whose views on Yerp, foreign aid, and immigration they presumably find pretty abhorrent. ...
It is a list of many of the ghastliest federalists imaginable. Glenda Jackson? Austin Mitchell? Ed Balls? Valerie "Keith's sister" Vaz? All the above are in effect UKIP's MPs.
They got routed in Newark yet consider it a triumph so GOK what they'd consider a bad result in Cambs.
As others have said, you're on a different planet if you think Austin Mitchell is a "federalist"
But anyway you can't assume that the UKIP vote would solidly march off to the Tories, since every poll shows it's not the case. About half wouldn't vote and the rest would split 2-1 Tory. On the same basis I could claim that I lost in 2010 because of the green intervention, but one can doubt if they'd all have voted for me either.
FWIW I've discussed the issue this week in my blog:
@isam I agree that things haven't been tackled properly for too long however I've worked with dozens of Muslims and all of them have been decent and ordinary and no different to the rest of us.
Yes that charter suggestion was nuts and would exacerbate the issues. It would solve nothing, could make things worse and looks very much like the thin end of a terrifying wedge.
Ah the Enoch was right canard.
Another attractive post from you - really glad you joined PB. Have you thought of standing for the Tories somewhere (if you don't already)? As with DavidL, I'd have difficulty in resisting a tactical vote for you if you were the main competitor to a UKIP candidate in the Helmer mode.
Mr Eagles, I'd assumed the reference was to Huhne not your good self.
I know.
I have just in the last week been caught speeding and face 3 points on my license.
Sure you won't get a course to do ?
Been there done that. Since 2006 this takes me to 18 points.
So what would it take to stop you speeding? A fatal accident?
I am a very good driver. ....
"Since 2006 this takes me to 18 points."
You don't see a contradiction between those two statements?
I might go as far to suggest that, given your admissions as to your driving practices the last time this subject was discussed on here, your definition of good is not one that would be recognised by anyone else in the English speaking world.
I worked it out ages ago, given the number of miles I used to drive, I got one point for every 15,000 miles I drive.
Have you thought of donating all your points to your wife or someone else you know?
I believe it's quite a common practice in Southern England. I'm sending any I get to Richard Nabavi..
My Dad once got pulled over for speeding, but the copper saw my Dad's hospital car park pass, and let him off.
My Dad blamed me for that one! Saying it was my fault I had bought him that car.
In the 70s my father parked in the centre of town to nip in and buy a jumper. When he came out he found the street had been cleared and the Army were about to detonate his car as a suspected car bomb.
Bit embarassing what with him being a policeman too and knowing he shouldn't have parked there. Oops.
Just be glad your Dad doesn't look my Dad!
I think it should be the other way round Mr Eagles, mine died three years ago !
Mr Eagles, I'd assumed the reference was to Huhne not your good self.
I know.
I have just in the last week been caught speeding and face 3 points on my license.
Sure you won't get a course to do ?
Been there done that. Since 2006 this takes me to 18 points.
So what would it take to stop you speeding? A fatal accident?
I am a very good driver. ....
"Since 2006 this takes me to 18 points."
You don't see a contradiction between those two statements?
I might go as far to suggest that, given your admissions as to your driving practices the last time this subject was discussed on here, your definition of good is not one that would be recognised by anyone else in the English speaking world.
I worked it out ages ago, given the number of miles I used to drive, I got one point for every 15,000 miles I drive.
Have you thought of donating all your points to your wife or someone else you know?
I believe it's quite a common practice in Southern England. I'm sending any I get to Richard Nabavi..
My Dad once got pulled over for speeding, but the copper saw my Dad's hospital car park pass, and let him off.
My Dad blamed me for that one! Saying it was my fault I had bought him that car.
In the 70s my father parked in the centre of town to nip in and buy a jumper. When he came out he found the street had been cleared and the Army were about to detonate his car as a suspected car bomb.
Bit embarassing what with him being a policeman too and knowing he shouldn't have parked there. Oops.
Just be glad your Dad doesn't look my Dad!
I think it should be the other way round Mr Eagles, mine died three years ago !
@isam I agree that things haven't been tackled properly for too long however I've worked with dozens of Muslims and all of them have been decent and ordinary and no different to the rest of us.
Yes that charter suggestion was nuts and would exacerbate the issues. It would solve nothing, could make things worse and looks very much like the thin end of a terrifying wedge.
Ah the Enoch was right canard.
It would be as ridiculous to claim that most muslims are not decent and ordinary and no different to the rest of us as it would be to close our eyes to the problem caused by the extremists
Believe me, I had some troubled times philosophically before I came to the conclusion that Enoch was right. I was a labour voting lefty who thought we shouldnt have passports as we alll own the world a decade ago. I had never read his speech and just assumed he was a 60s Nick Griffin, but when I did, I found the logic impossible to deny, and the charcterisation of him as an ogre ridiculous.
To me the whole politics of the problem of Muslim extremism stems from the refusal to admit that he was right.
"People will not see, people do not want to know, what is happening in their own countyr"
It's not often that I think that shadsy is wide of the mark with his market-setting, but that's one example.
..... and it's not like you antifrank to miss the best value available in the market - Betfair currently have £40+ available at 2.2, thats 1.14/1 net in old money on the Scots' Indy turnout being >75.0%. That's 1% lower than Ladbrokes' fulcrum point and at 36.8% better odds.
I know it's common to get a bit more reactionary as you get older, but what happens if you're already an anti-semitic, old fascist?
'Put Jewish singer in an oven, says Le Pen
The founder of France’s National Front caused outrage yesterday by saying that a popular Jewish singer should be put in an oven. Two weeks after topping the polls in the European elections, the party was on the defensive after the latest in a long line of anti-Semitic cracks by Jean-Marie Le Pen.'
"How long do you think a white teacher would last in a British primary school if he were to tell his class of seven-year olds that all non-Christians were "filthy heathens"? Or if he referred to black people using the "n-word"? Or he accused all Muslims of being frustrated terrorists?"
Do you have the original sources for the implied claim that a Muslim teacher has done that? It's outrageous if true, but I can't find any results on Google for it.
"Well-placed sources have told The Mail on Sunday that the term ‘white prostitute’ was used to suggest to pupils that Muslim women were moral but non-Muslim women were not.
Oldknow Academy, which has around 600 pupils, is said to have been the subject of a gradual takeover by extremists, who allegedly pushed out head teacher, Bhupinder Kondal, because she opposed the ‘Islamisation’ of the school.
Officially, Mrs Kondal is on sick leave, and she refused to discuss the matter with The Mail on Sunday.
She was among four of the school’s six senior managers who have left in recent months.
It is also claimed that in one assembly, just before Christmas last year, a senior teacher led ‘an anti-Christian’ chant. He allegedly shouted at the pupils ‘Do we believe in Christmas?’, to which the pupils replied collectively ‘No we don’t"
@isam I agree that things haven't been tackled properly for too long however I've worked with dozens of Muslims and all of them have been decent and ordinary and no different to the rest of us.
Yes that charter suggestion was nuts and would exacerbate the issues. It would solve nothing, could make things worse and looks very much like the thin end of a terrifying wedge.
Ah the Enoch was right canard.
That charter reminds me of American airport staff who on my frequent visits to America ask me
She was among four of the school’s six senior managers who have left in recent months.
I've read that a number of these ousted educationalists have been given gagging payoffs, which is perhaps why it is difficult to get quotes and hard evidence.
And so our various governments haven't just failed to do anything to prevent the spread of Islamic radicalism. They used our money to ensure it flourished.
It's not often that I think that shadsy is wide of the mark with his market-setting, but that's one example.
..... and it's not like you antifrank to miss the best value available in the market - Betfair currently have £40+ available at 2.2, thats 1.14/1 net in old money on the Scots' Indy turnout being >75.0%. That's 1% lower than Ladbrokes' fulcrum point and at 36.8% better odds.
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= perfect example of politicians (let's call them the "out of touch elite") dancing on the head of a pin, both falling off, and no one except uber-geeks (let's call them "PB-ers") giving a tuppenny f***.
Who said what to whom about a nuance of difference in response to the "Trojan Horse" problem.
No doubt there is an issue to be addressed by the govt regarding the practice* and behaviour of some such schools but allowing it to be subsumed by internecine politics doesn't show the Tories off in any good light at all.
*for you TSE
I was loth to vote UKIP, but the alternative was Ed Miliband.
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Mr. Tokyo, S and Z forms are both correct in English. It's the Americans who only use Z, which has led some Britons to erroneously conclude the Z is American and the S is British.
Mr. Tokyo (2), why wouldn't the Italians mind being told their voting was just for fun? The EU got rid of their elected government and they didn't do anything in response.
Run that one past me again.
"The UK has been an extraordinary partner to us. From the outside at least it looks like things have worked pretty well and we obviously have a deep interest in making sure one of the closest allies that we will ever have remains a strong, robust, united and effective partner. Ultimately these are decisions to be made by folks there."
Interesting caveat there - 'from the outside' (as the source article notes), and generally remarkably vague. Hardly the full-blooded urge to ignore the precedent of 1776 Mr Cameron presumably wanted.
(source: http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-opinion/9301-ignore-obamas-comments-there-will-be-deep-support-in-the-us-for-scottish-independence)
Last month's was doing 64 in a 60
Between 2005 and 2012 I used to do 25k miles per year.
http://labourlist.org/2014/06/rachel-reeves-is-right-were-losing-many-of-our-voters-so-what-are-we-doing-about-it/
If you consider matters on the basis of seats where the winner's margin over the Tories was less than UKIP's vote, you get this list:
Labour MPs elected by the UKIP vote:
Julie Hilling
Chris Williamson
Natascha Engel
Ian Austin
Austin Mitchell
Glenda Jackson
Tom Blenkinsop
Ed Balls
Paul Farrelly
Alison Seabeck
John Denham
David Wright
David Winnick
Valerie Vaz
Alison McGovern
LD MPs elected by the UKIP vote:
Annette Brooke
Lorely Burt
David Heath
Stephen Gilbert
Andrew George
Tessa Munt
It is a list of many of the ghastliest federalists imaginable. Glenda Jackson? Austin Mitchell? Ed Balls? Valerie "Keith's sister" Vaz? All the above are in effect UKIP's MPs.
They got routed in Newark yet consider it a triumph so GOK what they'd consider a bad result in Cambs.
One Nation Labour - 'Tax the South, and splurge in the North'
- Former Prime Minister launches withering attack on his successor as fears mount that pro-Union campaign is driving voters towards Scottish independence http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/10885955/David-Cameron-is-ruining-case-for-Scotland-to-remain-part-of-UK-Gordon-Brown-warns.html
cough cough
I'll have to watch that in future when I head over to Manchester
The ones I got caught are part of an average speed limit camera system.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13022347
Nice to know Gord remains pure poison.
Best news of the campaign, Brown calls it wrong again.
You are beyond parody Carnyx.
As ever, Briskin and co shall attempt some multi level translation.
[Interesting caveat there - 'from the outside']
If you speak American - you need something Glock-like - When I played Counter-strike, I was always the terrorists with the dual [gold?] pistols, Yeah!!! But who cares about video games, eh?
Over 76% 5/6
Under 76% 5/6
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2011/may/17/ed-miliband-endorses-blue-labour-thinking
Along that stretch of the road the speed limit varies from 30 to 60
Might put some on Hamilton so I'm all square or all green regardless of which driver takes it (I cannot see anyone else troubling them).
Edited extra bit: just done so. Hopefully one or two others backed the Rosberg 17 pre-season bet, which makes it quite possible to be green either way.
Already hedged on Betfair (Rosberg was 24 pre-season, though my stake was tiny so any profit will be minimal).
Just an aside, but when I hedge I always make it so that, at most, I'm equal either way, and usually so I make more if the bet rather than the hedge comes off. I think that's the better way to go, encourages me to get it right first time.
No one said it was a triumph, where are you getting that?
Wasn't the Unionist line that Brown was a huge asset to the No campaign? Make up your minds please
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/06/09/One-rule-for-Islamists-and-another-for-everyone-else-It-s-not-fair-it-s-not-British-and-it-s-a-recipe-for-disaster
Shame on you. You stand corrected.
On Americanisms it is ridiculous to fight them because the language is already full of them. If you have ever used the expressions "stub your toe", "cuts no ice", "train station", "get it for free", "you're welcome", or even the word "maybe" - you have used an Americanism.
I do get a bit ticked off when any neologism simply trashes (oops, there I go again) a perfectly serviceable existing word. "Alternate", for example, used to mean "alternative", leaves us without a word for "alternate".
depends on which Unionist you talk to :-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richmond_(Yorks)_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
If Cameron isn't planning to do this yet (maybe getting behind on the pb threads) somebody needs to call him up and explain it to him.
An average of 4 mph over the limit implies that TSE was likely to be further over the limit at some point in the average speed measurement zone.
Well, indeed. That is the whole angle of that Telegraph article: the 'No' camp is irrevocably split.
You'd better hope that Cameron and Osborne know more about Scots' psychology and voting behaviour than Brown and McLeish. But the weight of evidence would tend to suggest that the latter two know more about the subject.
Meanwhile, a couple of pieces from sceptics trying to talk the whole anti-Juncker campaign down from the ledge with the obvious point that he's not particularly more or less federalist than any of the other people they might pick:
Boris:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/10885373/Junking-Junckers-pointless.-It-doesnt-matter-who-gets-the-job.html
Hannan:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100275121/rude-arrogant-euro-fanatical-jean-claude-juncker-may-be-our-best-choice/?utm_content=bufferf0e2a&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Incidentally, you would have been better going with Bwin's 75%+ at 6/5, although it is uncertain how large a stake they would allow you.
The course is offered if you haven't attended one in the past three years (might be five) and you have exceeded the limite by a marginal extent - I think it was up to 63mph in a 50. There is then a band in which the 3 point penalty is given without any offer of a course and, finally, a final threshold above which a prosecution follows. The bands can be found online.
You don't see a contradiction between those two statements?
I might go as far to suggest that, given your admissions as to your driving practices the last time this subject was discussed on here, your definition of good is not one that would be recognised by anyone else in the English speaking world.
The UKIP MEP for London suggested a Muslims charter, for spokesman who claim to represent Muslims to sign, so we could see they were anti jihadist... If I were working in Iraq and claiming to represent white Christians, I would have no problem signing a form that said I had no time for the actions of Tony Blair or George Bush, and I would understand Iraqi muslims being wary of me if I refused. Gerard Batten was accused of racism, the story was altered to make it look as though ALL muslims had to sign it etc etc
Whats happening in England with Muslims is exactly what Enoch Powell predicted. He had lived in India during WW2 and seen how Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs lived as three seperate communities rather than one country, and saw the madness that lie ahead if England imported that kind of division. Now we are reaping the reward of ignoring his clear logic and hiding behind the cowardly cloak of political correctness.
Think how much bandwidth we'd save OGH.
Can I play the good driver game?
I believe it's quite a common practice in Southern England. I'm sending any I get to Richard Nabavi..
I agree that things haven't been tackled properly for too long however I've worked with dozens of Muslims and all of them have been decent and ordinary and no different to the rest of us.
Yes that charter suggestion was nuts and would exacerbate the issues. It would solve nothing, could make things worse and looks very much like the thin end of a terrifying wedge.
Ah the Enoch was right canard.
EDIT: 4.7% of England, 1.2 of Wales & Scotland
http://www.ed.ac.uk/schools-departments/literatures-languages-cultures/alwaleed/muslims-in-britain/overview
We will not mention the no damage, reversed into a tree that wasn't there a few moments before incident though!
My Dad blamed me for that one! Saying it was my fault I had bought him that car.
Bit embarassing what with him being a policeman too and knowing he shouldn't have parked there. Oops.
But anyway you can't assume that the UKIP vote would solidly march off to the Tories, since every poll shows it's not the case. About half wouldn't vote and the rest would split 2-1 Tory. On the same basis I could claim that I lost in 2010 because of the green intervention, but one can doubt if they'd all have voted for me either.
FWIW I've discussed the issue this week in my blog:
http://www.nickpalmer.org.uk/democracy-fairness-and-the-smaller-party-dilemma/
Good luck everyone, circa 2 hours of Tv to go....
Believe me, I had some troubled times philosophically before I came to the conclusion that Enoch was right. I was a labour voting lefty who thought we shouldnt have passports as we alll own the world a decade ago. I had never read his speech and just assumed he was a 60s Nick Griffin, but when I did, I found the logic impossible to deny, and the charcterisation of him as an ogre ridiculous.
To me the whole politics of the problem of Muslim extremism stems from the refusal to admit that he was right.
"People will not see, people do not want to know, what is happening in their own countyr"
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xGLmFNZ1tM
****** HURRY! ******
'Put Jewish singer in an oven, says Le Pen
The founder of France’s National Front caused outrage yesterday by saying that a popular Jewish singer should be put in an oven. Two weeks after topping the polls in the European elections, the party was on the defensive after the latest in a long line of anti-Semitic cracks by Jean-Marie Le Pen.'
http://tinyurl.com/nm5kx84
Oldknow Academy, which has around 600 pupils, is said to have been the subject of a gradual takeover by extremists, who allegedly pushed out head teacher, Bhupinder Kondal, because she opposed the ‘Islamisation’ of the school.
Officially, Mrs Kondal is on sick leave, and she refused to discuss the matter with The Mail on Sunday.
She was among four of the school’s six senior managers who have left in recent months.
It is also claimed that in one assembly, just before Christmas last year, a senior teacher led ‘an anti-Christian’ chant. He allegedly shouted at the pupils ‘Do we believe in Christmas?’, to which the pupils replied collectively ‘No we don’t"
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2651700/Hellfire-Muslim-teachers-Trojan-Horse-school-warned-six-year-olds-white-prostitutes.html#ixzz348a7jMdV
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"Are you a member of a terrorist organisation"
If I were, would I really admit to you?
I've read that a number of these ousted educationalists have been given gagging payoffs, which is perhaps why it is difficult to get quotes and hard evidence.
And so our various governments haven't just failed to do anything to prevent the spread of Islamic radicalism. They used our money to ensure it flourished.