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More voters think Reform are on the side of the establishment than the people – politicalbetting.com

The Green Party is most likely to be on the side of "the people" (39%), followed by the Liberal Democrats at 33% and Reform UK at 28%. The Conservative Party is most likely to be seen as on the side of "the establishment" (62%) ? https://tinyurl.com/5n8er7mc

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  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,399
    Wonder what binface would do if elected? Keep the joke going or take the bin off and reveal himself to be (i imagine) a Lib Dem?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,105
    Richard Tice commenting smugly on his links to the aristocracy can't have helped.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,522
    rkrkrk said:

    Wonder what binface would do if elected? Keep the joke going or take the bin off and reveal himself to be (i imagine) a Lib Dem?

    You think he is as silly as that?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,146
    Respondents must have forgotten the LibDems were in the Tory-led government just... blimey, it's over a decade ago.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,146
    Ann Widdecombe killing: police investigating possible leftwing motivation
    ...
    Investigators are considering whether leftwing, anarchist and single-issue terrorism (LASIT) played a role in the suspect’s alleged motivation, but are keeping an open mind as new material emerges.
    ...
    The ​i​nquiry is also ​l​ooking into the​ suspect’s history of mental health and neurodivergence.
    ...
    While the killing is being investigated by counter-terrorism police, it has not been formally designated as a terrorist attack. That is a decision made by the senior national coordinator for counter-terrorism.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jul/14/ann-widdecombe-killing-police-investigating-possible-leftwing-motivation
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,480


    FPT

    DoctorG said:

    Reports in The Times that the Treasury are looking to bring forward the increase in state pension age to 68 to start from 2037. The current published plan is to phase this increase in from April 2044.

    Millions forced to work longer under state pension age extension plan
    Treasury officials have told the Office for Budget Responsibility that the state retirement threshold will rise to 68 seven years earlier than legislated

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/state-pension-uk-retirement-age-68-nc50dzgcn (£££)

    Dr Suzy Morrissey is due to report imminently with her findings after last years call for evidence for the third state pension age review following the 2014 act. The govt then works on that.

    So there’s a bit of pre emoting of that although the scope also included how future state pension age will be determined.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/calls-for-evidence/third-state-pension-age-review-independent-report-call-for-evidence

    Final govt report/decision was supposedly not due til 2029

    Given the govt is supposedly committed to a 10 year notification of any change in state pension age if that holds this change would need to go through next year. If it is an actual proposed change rather than an assumption.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,419
    Loving the first sentence of that header - kudos @TSE.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,798
    Surely the establishment are people too?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,798
    Surely the establishment are people too?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,497

    Loving the first sentence of that header - kudos @TSE.

    Ha yes. And the last one and the middle one for that matter.

    Reform are not champions of the working class. They are emotional exploiters of the working class.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,105
    Eabhal said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Wonder what binface would do if elected? Keep the joke going or take the bin off and reveal himself to be (i imagine) a Lib Dem?

    Take the bin off to reveal another, smaller bin.
    Take the bin off and put Farage in it, to show he has taken out the rubbish.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,347
    DavidL said:

    I think a lot of things every time I see Jenrick. Glorious freedom fighter against the establishment is not one of them.

    A lot of what's happened to the right has been about second-tier elite resenting top draw elite.

    That's a tale as old as time, but with a couple of unhelpful recent additions. One is the concentration of political/business/media power in fewer bodies. The other is the refusal of some people to leave the stage until they've had a full go under the spotlight.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,480
    Does anyone do wordle.

    What the hell is that word today ?

    I only got it as I had the last four letters and just went along putting every free letter in until,it was right

    On the fifth go.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,508
    Eabhal said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Wonder what binface would do if elected? Keep the joke going or take the bin off and reveal himself to be (i imagine) a Lib Dem?

    Take the bin off to reveal another, smaller bin.
    Matryoshka bin!
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,648
    FPT…
    Sandpit said:

    The Iranians thought they could repost video of Ukrainian drones bombing Russian ships in the Sea of Azov, and present it as their own bombing of ships the Americans told could pass the Straight of Hormuz.

    https://x.com/dailyirannews/status/2076967451032457361

    The Americans thought they could impose a 20% fee on ships passing through the Straights of Hormuz, and present it as providing a service to those ships.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,565
    Taz said:

    Does anyone do wordle.

    What the hell is that word today ?

    I only got it as I had the last four letters and just went along putting every free letter in until,it was right

    On the fifth go.

    Similar experience here. American word.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,648
    MelonB said:

    Taz said:

    Does anyone do wordle.

    What the hell is that word today ?

    I only got it as I had the last four letters and just went along putting every free letter in until,it was right

    On the fifth go.

    Similar experience here. American word.
    In four. But I wouldn't have guessed the first two letters at stage 3 unless you had prompted me to think it would be obscure...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,346
    Sandpit said:

    Eabhal said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Wonder what binface would do if elected? Keep the joke going or take the bin off and reveal himself to be (i imagine) a Lib Dem?

    Take the bin off to reveal another, smaller bin.
    Matryoshka bin!
    Obvious ref.


  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,105
    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Surely the establishment are people too?

    I am sure I read on here that they are really lizards.
    I'd say Farage looks more like a frog actually.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,598
    This is where Kemi could score if she only stopped trying to be one of the establishment and a Reform Ultra

    A Sky article describes here as Burger Flipper - Burger Flipper to PM is a great story.

    She was also brought up on the mean streets of Lagos as part of the Nigerian diaspora (a big voting bloc).

    She had a real job as a "script kiddie" and web designer. I won't use the term "code monkey" as it could be misinterpreted but it was a real modern job in comparison to those that came through the Conservative research department.

    And she is a birthright citizen, one of the last after the UK changed its laws to remove that form of citizenship.

    So she could portray herself as definitely not the establishment and yet fails to use her advantages against the old school Tories in Reform. That's why Kemi is a dud.

    https://news.sky.com/story/who-is-kemi-badenoch-from-flipping-burgers-to-being-in-with-a-chance-to-be-the-next-prime-minister-12654976
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,522

    FPT…

    Sandpit said:

    The Iranians thought they could repost video of Ukrainian drones bombing Russian ships in the Sea of Azov, and present it as their own bombing of ships the Americans told could pass the Straight of Hormuz.

    https://x.com/dailyirannews/status/2076967451032457361

    The Americans thought they could impose a 20% fee on ships passing through the Straights of Hormuz, and present it as providing a service to those ships.
    Trump thought he could do a deal with himself to steal $1.7bn from the US taxpayer. It's incredible what people will believe given the right incentives.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,650
    Taz said:



    FPT

    DoctorG said:

    Reports in The Times that the Treasury are looking to bring forward the increase in state pension age to 68 to start from 2037. The current published plan is to phase this increase in from April 2044.

    Millions forced to work longer under state pension age extension plan
    Treasury officials have told the Office for Budget Responsibility that the state retirement threshold will rise to 68 seven years earlier than legislated

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/state-pension-uk-retirement-age-68-nc50dzgcn (£££)

    Dr Suzy Morrissey is due to report imminently with her findings after last years call for evidence for the third state pension age review following the 2014 act. The govt then works on that.

    So there’s a bit of pre emoting of that although the scope also included how future state pension age will be determined.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/calls-for-evidence/third-state-pension-age-review-independent-report-call-for-evidence

    Final govt report/decision was supposedly not due til 2029

    Given the govt is supposedly committed to a 10 year notification of any change in state pension age if that holds this change would need to go through next year. If it is an actual proposed change rather than an assumption.
    The eagerness to bring this change in is in complete contrast to the refusal to do anything about the triple lock.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,347

    FPT…

    Sandpit said:

    The Iranians thought they could repost video of Ukrainian drones bombing Russian ships in the Sea of Azov, and present it as their own bombing of ships the Americans told could pass the Straight of Hormuz.

    https://x.com/dailyirannews/status/2076967451032457361

    The Americans thought they could impose a 20% fee on ships passing through the Straights of Hormuz, and present it as providing a service to those ships.
    Looking at the rest of the modern economy, it was probably worth a punt.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,346
    rcs1000 said:

    Surely the establishment are people too?

    And most of the establishment work for a living - generational wealth is generally acquired after they leave office and go into the private sector.

    Part of the CramponsAndIceAxeAtTheDinerTable* social climbing, associated with the Nu10K, is their desperate efforts to Make It to ever higher levels.

    See the Mandlebrot.

    *Read Dune
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,522
    Eabhal said:

    FPT I still think it’s mad that the single biggest avoidable risk factor for COVID-19 deaths - obesity - is mentioned so little in the reports. It’s the reason the NHS came under so much pressure, and almost always why relatively young people died.

    E.g. in the 240 page resilience report it’s mentioned once. I do my best to be balanced about the conduct of public servants, but it really is a disgraceful abrogation of duty. Entirely unserious.

    But how do you blame a politician for people being fat? You are being diverted into irrelevancies like what caused the deaths instead of attaching blame to people you don't like.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,598

    FPT…

    Sandpit said:

    The Iranians thought they could repost video of Ukrainian drones bombing Russian ships in the Sea of Azov, and present it as their own bombing of ships the Americans told could pass the Straight of Hormuz.

    https://x.com/dailyirannews/status/2076967451032457361

    The Americans thought they could impose a 20% fee on ships passing through the Straights of Hormuz, and present it as providing a service to those ships.
    The Ukrainians could do it much, much cheaper.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,522
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Surely the establishment are people too?

    I am sure I read on here that they are really lizards.
    I'd say Farage looks more like a frog actually.
    I have no desire to fall out with Kermit at this time in the morning.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,836
    Morning all :)

    One of those nonsensical polls that tells you nothing.

    Who are "the Establishment" ? Who are "the People" ?

    By many metrics, most of us on here would be "the Establishment" and at what point in the glorious revolution (we haven't had one for over 350 years so we're probably due one) do "the People" become "the Establishment" and who will be "the People" once we have all broken wind in the palaces of the mighty?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,648
    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    One of those nonsensical polls that tells you nothing.

    Who are "the Establishment" ? Who are "the People" ?

    By many metrics, most of us on here would be "the Establishment" and at what point in the glorious revolution (we haven't had one for over 350 years so we're probably due one) do "the People" become "the Establishment" and who will be "the People" once we have all broken wind in the palaces of the mighty?

    I don’t think you count as part of the Establishment until you top 20,000 posts on PB.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,650
    Eabhal said:

    FPT I still think it’s mad that the single biggest avoidable risk factor for COVID-19 deaths - obesity - is mentioned so little in the reports. It’s the reason the NHS came under so much pressure, and almost always why relatively young people died.

    E.g. in the 240 page resilience report it’s mentioned once. I do my best to be balanced about the conduct of public servants, but it really is a disgraceful abrogation of duty. Entirely unserious.

    I'm still amazed that the government didn't encourage weight loss and improved personal fitness during covid.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,610

    Eabhal said:

    FPT I still think it’s mad that the single biggest avoidable risk factor for COVID-19 deaths - obesity - is mentioned so little in the reports. It’s the reason the NHS came under so much pressure, and almost always why relatively young people died.

    E.g. in the 240 page resilience report it’s mentioned once. I do my best to be balanced about the conduct of public servants, but it really is a disgraceful abrogation of duty. Entirely unserious.

    I'm still amazed that the government didn't encourage weight loss and improved personal fitness during covid.
    5 pounds off to save the NHS
  • MattWMattW Posts: 34,012
    edited 7:15AM
    Hmmmm.


  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,709

    Loving the first sentence of that header - kudos @TSE.

    It really boils my piss when a Cambridge educated lawyer like The Right Honourable Robert Jenrick tries to say he isn't establishment and is effectively working class.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,650
    For those referring to the cost of 'track and trace' remember that covid testing became a bizarre obsession among much of the middle classes with them loudly complaining (and claiming government conspiracy) if they couldn't test themselves morning, noon and night.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,480

    Taz said:



    FPT

    DoctorG said:

    Reports in The Times that the Treasury are looking to bring forward the increase in state pension age to 68 to start from 2037. The current published plan is to phase this increase in from April 2044.

    Millions forced to work longer under state pension age extension plan
    Treasury officials have told the Office for Budget Responsibility that the state retirement threshold will rise to 68 seven years earlier than legislated

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/state-pension-uk-retirement-age-68-nc50dzgcn (£££)

    Dr Suzy Morrissey is due to report imminently with her findings after last years call for evidence for the third state pension age review following the 2014 act. The govt then works on that.

    So there’s a bit of pre emoting of that although the scope also included how future state pension age will be determined.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/calls-for-evidence/third-state-pension-age-review-independent-report-call-for-evidence

    Final govt report/decision was supposedly not due til 2029

    Given the govt is supposedly committed to a 10 year notification of any change in state pension age if that holds this change would need to go through next year. If it is an actual proposed change rather than an assumption.
    The eagerness to bring this change in is in complete contrast to the refusal to do anything about the triple lock.
    They should do both. I mean I get my pension from the state in just over 6 years so it works jn my favour and my pension date is unlikely to move but both really need addressing sooner rather than later.

    Move to an average or wages less bonuses or something to slow the rate of growth.

  • FossFoss Posts: 2,906

    Eabhal said:

    FPT I still think it’s mad that the single biggest avoidable risk factor for COVID-19 deaths - obesity - is mentioned so little in the reports. It’s the reason the NHS came under so much pressure, and almost always why relatively young people died.

    E.g. in the 240 page resilience report it’s mentioned once. I do my best to be balanced about the conduct of public servants, but it really is a disgraceful abrogation of duty. Entirely unserious.

    I'm still amazed that the government didn't encourage weight loss and improved personal fitness during covid.
    That was the pre-ozempic, healthy at any weight era.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,346

    Taz said:



    FPT

    DoctorG said:

    Reports in The Times that the Treasury are looking to bring forward the increase in state pension age to 68 to start from 2037. The current published plan is to phase this increase in from April 2044.

    Millions forced to work longer under state pension age extension plan
    Treasury officials have told the Office for Budget Responsibility that the state retirement threshold will rise to 68 seven years earlier than legislated

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/state-pension-uk-retirement-age-68-nc50dzgcn (£££)

    Dr Suzy Morrissey is due to report imminently with her findings after last years call for evidence for the third state pension age review following the 2014 act. The govt then works on that.

    So there’s a bit of pre emoting of that although the scope also included how future state pension age will be determined.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/calls-for-evidence/third-state-pension-age-review-independent-report-call-for-evidence

    Final govt report/decision was supposedly not due til 2029

    Given the govt is supposedly committed to a 10 year notification of any change in state pension age if that holds this change would need to go through next year. If it is an actual proposed change rather than an assumption.
    The eagerness to bring this change in is in complete contrast to the refusal to do anything about the triple lock.
    The two are locked together like Holmes and Moriaty.

    If we creep the triple lock, eventually, the pensionable age will be raised to 27 minutes before the end of average life expectancy.

    This is because there is no political stomach for raising taxes to pay for the Triple Lock.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,105

    Loving the first sentence of that header - kudos @TSE.

    It really boils my piss when a Cambridge educated lawyer like The Right Honourable Robert Jenrick tries to say he isn't establishment and is effectively working class.
    You are as subtle as you are modest, Mr Eagles.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,347

    Eabhal said:

    FPT I still think it’s mad that the single biggest avoidable risk factor for COVID-19 deaths - obesity - is mentioned so little in the reports. It’s the reason the NHS came under so much pressure, and almost always why relatively young people died.

    E.g. in the 240 page resilience report it’s mentioned once. I do my best to be balanced about the conduct of public servants, but it really is a disgraceful abrogation of duty. Entirely unserious.

    I'm still amazed that the government didn't encourage weight loss and improved personal fitness during covid.
    It's something that Boris got right.

    And the solution that he has fairly consistently pushed- gentle active travel builds enough physical activity into people's lives- is on the right lines and is inherently political. It's all about how we divvy up finite shared space, after all.

    Unfortunately, both Sunak and Starmer blinked, panicked and drove away when they saw the opposition to measures that made cars a bit less convenient.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,692
    Sign going up in Clacton


  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,452

    Taz said:



    FPT

    DoctorG said:

    Reports in The Times that the Treasury are looking to bring forward the increase in state pension age to 68 to start from 2037. The current published plan is to phase this increase in from April 2044.

    Millions forced to work longer under state pension age extension plan
    Treasury officials have told the Office for Budget Responsibility that the state retirement threshold will rise to 68 seven years earlier than legislated

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/state-pension-uk-retirement-age-68-nc50dzgcn (£££)

    Dr Suzy Morrissey is due to report imminently with her findings after last years call for evidence for the third state pension age review following the 2014 act. The govt then works on that.

    So there’s a bit of pre emoting of that although the scope also included how future state pension age will be determined.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/calls-for-evidence/third-state-pension-age-review-independent-report-call-for-evidence

    Final govt report/decision was supposedly not due til 2029

    Given the govt is supposedly committed to a 10 year notification of any change in state pension age if that holds this change would need to go through next year. If it is an actual proposed change rather than an assumption.
    The eagerness to bring this change in is in complete contrast to the refusal to do anything about the triple lock.
    If you don't think you can touch the triple lock it's the obvious other way to keep the pension bill under control. Osborne was advocating this in a podcast episode the other day. I think not doing anything about the triple lock is political cowardice, but there is also a real question of whether it's better to support older people for more years at lower income level versus fewer years but at a higher income level.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,105

    Eabhal said:

    FPT I still think it’s mad that the single biggest avoidable risk factor for COVID-19 deaths - obesity - is mentioned so little in the reports. It’s the reason the NHS came under so much pressure, and almost always why relatively young people died.

    E.g. in the 240 page resilience report it’s mentioned once. I do my best to be balanced about the conduct of public servants, but it really is a disgraceful abrogation of duty. Entirely unserious.

    I'm still amazed that the government didn't encourage weight loss and improved personal fitness during covid.
    It's something that Boris got right.

    And the solution that he has fairly consistently pushed- gentle active travel builds enough physical activity into people's lives- is on the right lines and is inherently political. It's all about how we divvy up finite shared space, after all.

    Unfortunately, both Sunak and Starmer blinked, panicked and drove away when they saw the opposition to measures that made cars a bit less convenient.
    I am told - I'm not sure how accurate it is - that actually Boris Bikes have not been a success in that regard as they are so unstable they lead to multiple ankle injuries.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,389

    Eabhal said:

    FPT I still think it’s mad that the single biggest avoidable risk factor for COVID-19 deaths - obesity - is mentioned so little in the reports. It’s the reason the NHS came under so much pressure, and almost always why relatively young people died.

    E.g. in the 240 page resilience report it’s mentioned once. I do my best to be balanced about the conduct of public servants, but it really is a disgraceful abrogation of duty. Entirely unserious.

    I'm still amazed that the government didn't encourage weight loss and improved personal fitness during covid.
    I'm not sure it's fair to single out our then PM Boris Johnson in the report, he was working very hard and clearly didn't have time to watch what he was eating and exercise, it's no surprise his fitness regime slipped and he wasn't the same trim figure who lied about his weight to the zip wire operator.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,346

    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    One of those nonsensical polls that tells you nothing.

    Who are "the Establishment" ? Who are "the People" ?

    By many metrics, most of us on here would be "the Establishment" and at what point in the glorious revolution (we haven't had one for over 350 years so we're probably due one) do "the People" become "the Establishment" and who will be "the People" once we have all broken wind in the palaces of the mighty?

    I don’t think you count as part of the Establishment until you top 20,000 posts on PB.
    Meet the New Establishment. Very like The Old Establishment.

    A minor example - the Aberfan Disaster showed that former mine union officials became part of The Thing, the moment they assumed office. They became The Mine Owners they hated, almost instantly.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,346

    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    One of those nonsensical polls that tells you nothing.

    Who are "the Establishment" ? Who are "the People" ?

    By many metrics, most of us on here would be "the Establishment" and at what point in the glorious revolution (we haven't had one for over 350 years so we're probably due one) do "the People" become "the Establishment" and who will be "the People" once we have all broken wind in the palaces of the mighty?

    I don’t think you count as part of the Establishment until you top 20,000 posts on PB.
    Meet the New Establishment. Very like The Old Establishment.

    A minor example - the Aberfan Disaster showed that former mine union officials became part of The Thing, the moment they assumed office. They became The Mine Owners they hated, almost instantly.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,480

    Eabhal said:

    FPT I still think it’s mad that the single biggest avoidable risk factor for COVID-19 deaths - obesity - is mentioned so little in the reports. It’s the reason the NHS came under so much pressure, and almost always why relatively young people died.

    E.g. in the 240 page resilience report it’s mentioned once. I do my best to be balanced about the conduct of public servants, but it really is a disgraceful abrogation of duty. Entirely unserious.

    I'm still amazed that the government didn't encourage weight loss and improved personal fitness during covid.
    It’s always little,nudges.

    So we’vehad the so called soda tax, advertising bans, BOGOF bans, bans on placing sweets near checkouts and other drivel that hasn’t worked which was advocated by well organised and well remunerated lobbying groups.

    TFL even had to pull one of its own ads for places to visit in London as food featured in it was HFSS.

    Yet obesity still increases

    We now have an initiative coming where people will get vouchers and rewards if they walk a certain amount of time in the week.

    The answer is probably to get people on the jabs rather than all of this ineffective bullshit.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,389

    FPT…

    Sandpit said:

    The Iranians thought they could repost video of Ukrainian drones bombing Russian ships in the Sea of Azov, and present it as their own bombing of ships the Americans told could pass the Straight of Hormuz.

    https://x.com/dailyirannews/status/2076967451032457361

    The Americans thought they could impose a 20% fee on ships passing through the Straights of Hormuz, and present it as providing a service to those ships.
    Looking at the rest of the modern economy, it was probably worth a punt.
    I thought the gulf states have promised to funnel money direct to Trump front companies instead?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,105
    Scott_xP said:

    Sign going up in Clacton


    Not very accurate.

    Most of his 'donations' are a lot less than that.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,480
    Dopermean said:

    FPT…

    Sandpit said:

    The Iranians thought they could repost video of Ukrainian drones bombing Russian ships in the Sea of Azov, and present it as their own bombing of ships the Americans told could pass the Straight of Hormuz.

    https://x.com/dailyirannews/status/2076967451032457361

    The Americans thought they could impose a 20% fee on ships passing through the Straights of Hormuz, and present it as providing a service to those ships.
    Looking at the rest of the modern economy, it was probably worth a punt.
    I thought the gulf states have promised to funnel money direct to Trump front companies instead?
    That’s what he said.

    Let’s see what happens
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,480
    pm215 said:

    Taz said:



    FPT

    DoctorG said:

    Reports in The Times that the Treasury are looking to bring forward the increase in state pension age to 68 to start from 2037. The current published plan is to phase this increase in from April 2044.

    Millions forced to work longer under state pension age extension plan
    Treasury officials have told the Office for Budget Responsibility that the state retirement threshold will rise to 68 seven years earlier than legislated

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/state-pension-uk-retirement-age-68-nc50dzgcn (£££)

    Dr Suzy Morrissey is due to report imminently with her findings after last years call for evidence for the third state pension age review following the 2014 act. The govt then works on that.

    So there’s a bit of pre emoting of that although the scope also included how future state pension age will be determined.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/calls-for-evidence/third-state-pension-age-review-independent-report-call-for-evidence

    Final govt report/decision was supposedly not due til 2029

    Given the govt is supposedly committed to a 10 year notification of any change in state pension age if that holds this change would need to go through next year. If it is an actual proposed change rather than an assumption.
    The eagerness to bring this change in is in complete contrast to the refusal to do anything about the triple lock.
    If you don't think you can touch the triple lock it's the obvious other way to keep the pension bill under control. Osborne was advocating this in a podcast episode the other day. I think not doing anything about the triple lock is political cowardice, but there is also a real question of whether it's better to support older people for more years at lower income level versus fewer years but at a higher income level.
    I’d have thought more years at a lower income level because, generally, as you age you spend less. Fewer holidays, days out, restaurants, cruises etc etc.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,670
    DavidL said:

    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    One of those nonsensical polls that tells you nothing.

    Who are "the Establishment" ? Who are "the People" ?

    By many metrics, most of us on here would be "the Establishment" and at what point in the glorious revolution (we haven't had one for over 350 years so we're probably due one) do "the People" become "the Establishment" and who will be "the People" once we have all broken wind in the palaces of the mighty?

    My 3 year old daughter on a railway bridge:

    "We go on a train?"
    "No, not today."
    "People go on the train?"
    "Yes, people go on the train."
    "We people".
    "Yes..."
    "We go on the train?"

    At this point I knew I was in a lot of trouble.
    Good to see her reasoning powers developing into advocacy.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,743

    Taz said:



    FPT

    DoctorG said:

    Reports in The Times that the Treasury are looking to bring forward the increase in state pension age to 68 to start from 2037. The current published plan is to phase this increase in from April 2044.

    Millions forced to work longer under state pension age extension plan
    Treasury officials have told the Office for Budget Responsibility that the state retirement threshold will rise to 68 seven years earlier than legislated

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/state-pension-uk-retirement-age-68-nc50dzgcn (£££)

    Dr Suzy Morrissey is due to report imminently with her findings after last years call for evidence for the third state pension age review following the 2014 act. The govt then works on that.

    So there’s a bit of pre emoting of that although the scope also included how future state pension age will be determined.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/calls-for-evidence/third-state-pension-age-review-independent-report-call-for-evidence

    Final govt report/decision was supposedly not due til 2029

    Given the govt is supposedly committed to a 10 year notification of any change in state pension age if that holds this change would need to go through next year. If it is an actual proposed change rather than an assumption.
    The eagerness to bring this change in is in complete contrast to the refusal to do anything about the triple lock.
    The two are locked together like Holmes and Moriaty.

    If we creep the triple lock, eventually, the pensionable age will be raised to 27 minutes before the end of average life expectancy.

    This is because there is no political stomach for raising taxes to pay for the Triple Lock.
    Back to how it was when the modern state pension was introduced post war then. Male average life expectency at birth in 1947 was 64.6 years
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,347
    ydoethur said:

    Eabhal said:

    FPT I still think it’s mad that the single biggest avoidable risk factor for COVID-19 deaths - obesity - is mentioned so little in the reports. It’s the reason the NHS came under so much pressure, and almost always why relatively young people died.

    E.g. in the 240 page resilience report it’s mentioned once. I do my best to be balanced about the conduct of public servants, but it really is a disgraceful abrogation of duty. Entirely unserious.

    I'm still amazed that the government didn't encourage weight loss and improved personal fitness during covid.
    It's something that Boris got right.

    And the solution that he has fairly consistently pushed- gentle active travel builds enough physical activity into people's lives- is on the right lines and is inherently political. It's all about how we divvy up finite shared space, after all.

    Unfortunately, both Sunak and Starmer blinked, panicked and drove away when they saw the opposition to measures that made cars a bit less convenient.
    I am told - I'm not sure how accurate it is - that actually Boris Bikes have not been a success in that regard as they are so unstable they lead to multiple ankle injuries.
    My understanding is that the Boris bikes aren't particularly the problem; they're pretty solid, stable and slow, and the docking system makes them easier to manage. One of the commercial dockless providers was more problematic, but they claim that the issues are now fixed;

    https://www.londoncentric.media/p/lime-bike-london-lime-leg-new-design
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,670

    Eabhal said:

    FPT I still think it’s mad that the single biggest avoidable risk factor for COVID-19 deaths - obesity - is mentioned so little in the reports. It’s the reason the NHS came under so much pressure, and almost always why relatively young people died.

    E.g. in the 240 page resilience report it’s mentioned once. I do my best to be balanced about the conduct of public servants, but it really is a disgraceful abrogation of duty. Entirely unserious.

    I'm still amazed that the government didn't encourage weight loss and improved personal fitness during covid.
    It was made crystal clear that obesity was a high risk factor.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,508
    Foss said:

    Eabhal said:

    FPT I still think it’s mad that the single biggest avoidable risk factor for COVID-19 deaths - obesity - is mentioned so little in the reports. It’s the reason the NHS came under so much pressure, and almost always why relatively young people died.

    E.g. in the 240 page resilience report it’s mentioned once. I do my best to be balanced about the conduct of public servants, but it really is a disgraceful abrogation of duty. Entirely unserious.

    I'm still amazed that the government didn't encourage weight loss and improved personal fitness during covid.
    That was the pre-ozempic, healthy at any weight era.
    Wasn’t it amazing just how quickly that movement disappeared, when a cheap and easy way emerged to lose significant amounts of weight?

    Yes, the failure to mention obesity during covid times absolutely contributed to the mortality rate.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,480
    Oops

    At least we’re pushing up,the state pension age to save 6 Billion a year

    The economically inactive dependents need funding somehow !!

    “ Give the Boriswave - 1.6m migrants - the right to settle permanently in the UK after 5 years and the cost is £30bn. It would have been cheaper to pay the unemployed already in the UK £150k plus each a year each to do the care work. Incentives etc.”

    https://x.com/merrynsw/status/2077286495707169233?s=61
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,709
    DavidL said:

    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    One of those nonsensical polls that tells you nothing.

    Who are "the Establishment" ? Who are "the People" ?

    By many metrics, most of us on here would be "the Establishment" and at what point in the glorious revolution (we haven't had one for over 350 years so we're probably due one) do "the People" become "the Establishment" and who will be "the People" once we have all broken wind in the palaces of the mighty?

    My 3 year old daughter on a railway bridge:

    "We go on a train?"
    "No, not today."
    "People go on the train?"
    "Yes, people go on the train."
    "We people".
    "Yes..."
    "We go on the train?"

    At this point I knew I was in a lot of trouble.
    As a toddler I drove my father mad as I insisted we go on bendy buses despite the fact the bendy buses went nowhere near where we wanted to go and more critically he had a car.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,480
    Sandpit said:

    Foss said:

    Eabhal said:

    FPT I still think it’s mad that the single biggest avoidable risk factor for COVID-19 deaths - obesity - is mentioned so little in the reports. It’s the reason the NHS came under so much pressure, and almost always why relatively young people died.

    E.g. in the 240 page resilience report it’s mentioned once. I do my best to be balanced about the conduct of public servants, but it really is a disgraceful abrogation of duty. Entirely unserious.

    I'm still amazed that the government didn't encourage weight loss and improved personal fitness during covid.
    That was the pre-ozempic, healthy at any weight era.
    Wasn’t it amazing just how quickly that movement disappeared, when a cheap and easy way emerged to lose significant amounts of weight?

    Yes, the failure to mention obesity during covid times absolutely contributed to the mortality rate.
    The body positivity movement was utterly nuts.

    It’s that Not the Nine OClock News sketch in real life.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,480

    Taz said:



    FPT

    DoctorG said:

    Reports in The Times that the Treasury are looking to bring forward the increase in state pension age to 68 to start from 2037. The current published plan is to phase this increase in from April 2044.

    Millions forced to work longer under state pension age extension plan
    Treasury officials have told the Office for Budget Responsibility that the state retirement threshold will rise to 68 seven years earlier than legislated

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/state-pension-uk-retirement-age-68-nc50dzgcn (£££)

    Dr Suzy Morrissey is due to report imminently with her findings after last years call for evidence for the third state pension age review following the 2014 act. The govt then works on that.

    So there’s a bit of pre emoting of that although the scope also included how future state pension age will be determined.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/calls-for-evidence/third-state-pension-age-review-independent-report-call-for-evidence

    Final govt report/decision was supposedly not due til 2029

    Given the govt is supposedly committed to a 10 year notification of any change in state pension age if that holds this change would need to go through next year. If it is an actual proposed change rather than an assumption.
    The eagerness to bring this change in is in complete contrast to the refusal to do anything about the triple lock.
    The two are locked together like Holmes and Moriaty.

    If we creep the triple lock, eventually, the pensionable age will be raised to 27 minutes before the end of average life expectancy.

    This is because there is no political stomach for raising taxes to pay for the Triple Lock.
    Back to how it was when the modern state pension was introduced post war then. Male average life expectency at birth in 1947 was 64.6 years
    Linking to life expectancy is one of the terms of reference for the Morrissey review.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,836
    Taz said:

    Eabhal said:

    FPT I still think it’s mad that the single biggest avoidable risk factor for COVID-19 deaths - obesity - is mentioned so little in the reports. It’s the reason the NHS came under so much pressure, and almost always why relatively young people died.

    E.g. in the 240 page resilience report it’s mentioned once. I do my best to be balanced about the conduct of public servants, but it really is a disgraceful abrogation of duty. Entirely unserious.

    I'm still amazed that the government didn't encourage weight loss and improved personal fitness during covid.
    It’s always little,nudges.

    So we’vehad the so called soda tax, advertising bans, BOGOF bans, bans on placing sweets near checkouts and other drivel that hasn’t worked which was advocated by well organised and well remunerated lobbying groups.

    TFL even had to pull one of its own ads for places to visit in London as food featured in it was HFSS.

    Yet obesity still increases

    We now have an initiative coming where people will get vouchers and rewards if they walk a certain amount of time in the week.

    The answer is probably to get people on the jabs rather than all of this ineffective bullshit.
    Is obesity increasing? Do you have any evidence for that assertion?

    During my week in Manchester, I saw a lot more vaping among young people than I see in London. Is vaping absent of health risk?

    As for the "jabs" (which will likely be pills before long), we'll see. There are those who might argue appetite suppression and reduced size has other economic consequences.

    Indeed, one of those consequences would be to make the manufacturers of Ozempic, Wegovy, Mounjaro and the rest extremely wealthy to an extent the drug cartels can only dream.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,610
    edited 7:37AM
    ydoethur said:

    Eabhal said:

    FPT I still think it’s mad that the single biggest avoidable risk factor for COVID-19 deaths - obesity - is mentioned so little in the reports. It’s the reason the NHS came under so much pressure, and almost always why relatively young people died.

    E.g. in the 240 page resilience report it’s mentioned once. I do my best to be balanced about the conduct of public servants, but it really is a disgraceful abrogation of duty. Entirely unserious.

    I'm still amazed that the government didn't encourage weight loss and improved personal fitness during covid.
    It's something that Boris got right.

    And the solution that he has fairly consistently pushed- gentle active travel builds enough physical activity into people's lives- is on the right lines and is inherently political. It's all about how we divvy up finite shared space, after all.

    Unfortunately, both Sunak and Starmer blinked, panicked and drove away when they saw the opposition to measures that made cars a bit less convenient.
    I am told - I'm not sure how accurate it is - that actually Boris Bikes have not been a success in that regard as they are so unstable they lead to multiple ankle injuries.
    That was proven to be a pack of lies, and has also been claimed about the current scheme - “Lime Bike Leg”, by the same people who gave us 60mph on the Embankment.

    When you have 40 million journeys a year you inevitably have a few injuries. The biggest risk factor for urban cycling is air pollution (you really don’t want to be stuck behind an old bus, but this is less of an issue now), followed by getting knocked over by a driver. Both are massively outweighed by the positives.
  • prh47bridgeprh47bridge Posts: 514
    MelonB said:

    Taz said:

    Does anyone do wordle.

    What the hell is that word today ?

    I only got it as I had the last four letters and just went along putting every free letter in until,it was right

    On the fifth go.

    Similar experience here. American word.
    No, not American. It originated in England in the early 17th Century. I've come across it in older books. One of Sherlock Holmes' catchphrases was "Pshaw, my dear boy! It was simplicity itself."
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,389
    Are whining NIMBYs not part of the "establishment"?

    Starting to get royally irritated by my local party branch whatsapp group, one part of the branch is very Lib Dem so whenever the LDs stir up some NIMBY protest they react by trying to get on board rather than making the case for what the Council (that the local party control!!) is doing.
    Prime example "Why aren't we opposing the plans for that 3 storey office block being replaced by a 4 storey office block like the Lib Dems?" weary councillor "As explained, the legal advice is that we'd lose because there's already a 4 storey building next to it, so it would just be a waste of money."
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,347
    pm215 said:

    Taz said:



    FPT

    DoctorG said:

    Reports in The Times that the Treasury are looking to bring forward the increase in state pension age to 68 to start from 2037. The current published plan is to phase this increase in from April 2044.

    Millions forced to work longer under state pension age extension plan
    Treasury officials have told the Office for Budget Responsibility that the state retirement threshold will rise to 68 seven years earlier than legislated

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/state-pension-uk-retirement-age-68-nc50dzgcn (£££)

    Dr Suzy Morrissey is due to report imminently with her findings after last years call for evidence for the third state pension age review following the 2014 act. The govt then works on that.

    So there’s a bit of pre emoting of that although the scope also included how future state pension age will be determined.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/calls-for-evidence/third-state-pension-age-review-independent-report-call-for-evidence

    Final govt report/decision was supposedly not due til 2029

    Given the govt is supposedly committed to a 10 year notification of any change in state pension age if that holds this change would need to go through next year. If it is an actual proposed change rather than an assumption.
    The eagerness to bring this change in is in complete contrast to the refusal to do anything about the triple lock.
    If you don't think you can touch the triple lock it's the obvious other way to keep the pension bill under control. Osborne was advocating this in a podcast episode the other day. I think not doing anything about the triple lock is political cowardice, but there is also a real question of whether it's better to support older people for more years at lower income level versus fewer years but at a higher income level.
    The affordability of the triple lock depends a lot on how stable inflation is. In normal times, the extra cost of the TL over an inflation lock isn't huge, and helps stop the state pension needing to be topped up with a means test. (Means testing pensions creates horrible incentives.)

    The catch is when inflation spikes. Because wages lag prices, you tend to get a 5-10% real-terms pension rise that stays forever. The trouble is that, no matter how good your internal economic management, external shocks will happen from time to time.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,820
    Taz said:



    FPT

    DoctorG said:

    Reports in The Times that the Treasury are looking to bring forward the increase in state pension age to 68 to start from 2037. The current published plan is to phase this increase in from April 2044.

    Millions forced to work longer under state pension age extension plan
    Treasury officials have told the Office for Budget Responsibility that the state retirement threshold will rise to 68 seven years earlier than legislated

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/state-pension-uk-retirement-age-68-nc50dzgcn (£££)

    Dr Suzy Morrissey is due to report imminently with her findings after last years call for evidence for the third state pension age review following the 2014 act. The govt then works on that.

    So there’s a bit of pre emoting of that although the scope also included how future state pension age will be determined.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/calls-for-evidence/third-state-pension-age-review-independent-report-call-for-evidence

    Final govt report/decision was supposedly not due til 2029

    Given the govt is supposedly committed to a 10 year notification of any change in state pension age if that holds this change would need to go through next year. If it is an actual proposed change rather than an assumption.
    It's not a proposed change.
    It's written into law (by a prior government) that they have to review it.
    Torsten Bell, who you would expect to know, yesterday explicitly denied any change was planned or proposed. FWIW
  • eekeek Posts: 34,536

    pm215 said:

    Taz said:



    FPT

    DoctorG said:

    Reports in The Times that the Treasury are looking to bring forward the increase in state pension age to 68 to start from 2037. The current published plan is to phase this increase in from April 2044.

    Millions forced to work longer under state pension age extension plan
    Treasury officials have told the Office for Budget Responsibility that the state retirement threshold will rise to 68 seven years earlier than legislated

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/state-pension-uk-retirement-age-68-nc50dzgcn (£££)

    Dr Suzy Morrissey is due to report imminently with her findings after last years call for evidence for the third state pension age review following the 2014 act. The govt then works on that.

    So there’s a bit of pre emoting of that although the scope also included how future state pension age will be determined.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/calls-for-evidence/third-state-pension-age-review-independent-report-call-for-evidence

    Final govt report/decision was supposedly not due til 2029

    Given the govt is supposedly committed to a 10 year notification of any change in state pension age if that holds this change would need to go through next year. If it is an actual proposed change rather than an assumption.
    The eagerness to bring this change in is in complete contrast to the refusal to do anything about the triple lock.
    If you don't think you can touch the triple lock it's the obvious other way to keep the pension bill under control. Osborne was advocating this in a podcast episode the other day. I think not doing anything about the triple lock is political cowardice, but there is also a real question of whether it's better to support older people for more years at lower income level versus fewer years but at a higher income level.
    The affordability of the triple lock depends a lot on how stable inflation is. In normal times, the extra cost of the TL over an inflation lock isn't huge, and helps stop the state pension needing to be topped up with a means test. (Means testing pensions creates horrible incentives.)

    The catch is when inflation spikes. Because wages lag prices, you tend to get a 5-10% real-terms pension rise that stays forever. The trouble is that, no matter how good your internal economic management, external shocks will happen from time to time.
    The lag time for wages is maximum 1 year - so if instead of working on a year on year basis you worked on a rolling 3 year basis, the inflation would be picked up in year 1 and were wages to rise enough there would be (at very best) a slight extra increase in year 2...
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,610
    edited 7:45AM
    Taz said:

    Eabhal said:

    FPT I still think it’s mad that the single biggest avoidable risk factor for COVID-19 deaths - obesity - is mentioned so little in the reports. It’s the reason the NHS came under so much pressure, and almost always why relatively young people died.

    E.g. in the 240 page resilience report it’s mentioned once. I do my best to be balanced about the conduct of public servants, but it really is a disgraceful abrogation of duty. Entirely unserious.

    I'm still amazed that the government didn't encourage weight loss and improved personal fitness during covid.
    It’s always little,nudges.

    So we’vehad the so called soda tax, advertising bans, BOGOF bans, bans on placing sweets near checkouts and other drivel that hasn’t worked which was advocated by well organised and well remunerated lobbying groups.

    TFL even had to pull one of its own ads for places to visit in London as food featured in it was HFSS.

    Yet obesity still increases

    We now have an initiative coming where people will get vouchers and rewards if they walk a certain amount of time in the week.

    The answer is probably to get people on the jabs rather than all of this ineffective bullshit.
    It’s not ineffective, nor inevitable . If you eat well and get some exercise there’s no need to spend billions on pharmaceuticals (who have their own lobbying efforts).

    Any student of Economics 1A knows that an insurance system like the NHS collapses if you don’t align the incentives properly. It’s the great fatal flaw of a public health system, and that’s why people are so keen on vouchers for exercise , or tax discounts for being a healthy weight- because that’s precisely what private insurance systems do to correct for moral hazard.

    The evidence is exceptionally strong that they work.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,820

    DavidL said:

    I think a lot of things every time I see Jenrick. Glorious freedom fighter against the establishment is not one of them.

    A lot of what's happened to the right has been about second-tier elite resenting top draw elite.

    That's a tale as old as time, but with a couple of unhelpful recent additions. One is the concentration of political/business/media power in fewer bodies. The other is the refusal of some people to leave the stage until they've had a full go under the spotlight.
    Plus a lot of overseas cash.
    On which note, the US govt is now doling out $3m grants to MAGA aligned "free speech" advocacy groups in Europe and the UK.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,389
    Eabhal said:

    ydoethur said:

    Eabhal said:

    FPT I still think it’s mad that the single biggest avoidable risk factor for COVID-19 deaths - obesity - is mentioned so little in the reports. It’s the reason the NHS came under so much pressure, and almost always why relatively young people died.

    E.g. in the 240 page resilience report it’s mentioned once. I do my best to be balanced about the conduct of public servants, but it really is a disgraceful abrogation of duty. Entirely unserious.

    I'm still amazed that the government didn't encourage weight loss and improved personal fitness during covid.
    It's something that Boris got right.

    And the solution that he has fairly consistently pushed- gentle active travel builds enough physical activity into people's lives- is on the right lines and is inherently political. It's all about how we divvy up finite shared space, after all.

    Unfortunately, both Sunak and Starmer blinked, panicked and drove away when they saw the opposition to measures that made cars a bit less convenient.
    I am told - I'm not sure how accurate it is - that actually Boris Bikes have not been a success in that regard as they are so unstable they lead to multiple ankle injuries.
    That was proven to be a pack of lies, and has also been claimed about the current scheme - “Lime Bike Leg”, by the same people who gave us 60mph on the Embankment.

    When you have 40 million journeys a year you inevitably have a few injuries. The biggest risk factor for urban cycling is air pollution (you really don’t want to be stuck behind an old bus, but this is less of an issue now), followed by getting knocked over by a driver. Both are massively outweighed by the positives.
    From observation the biggest risk for hire e-bike users is themselves, they attract a large contingent of non-cyclists who've got no road sense.
    Then I'd have expected it to be motorised vehicles, but I supposed air pollution doesn't appear in KSI stats, be interested to know if RTAs and pollution risk were combined in some study.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,347
    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    I think a lot of things every time I see Jenrick. Glorious freedom fighter against the establishment is not one of them.

    A lot of what's happened to the right has been about second-tier elite resenting top draw elite.

    That's a tale as old as time, but with a couple of unhelpful recent additions. One is the concentration of political/business/media power in fewer bodies. The other is the refusal of some people to leave the stage until they've had a full go under the spotlight.
    Plus a lot of overseas cash.
    On which note, the US govt is now doling out $3m grants to MAGA aligned "free speech" advocacy groups in Europe and the UK.
    Free speech, but not free speeches.

    (Yes, I nicked that one.)
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,964
    Eabhal said:

    FPT I still think it’s mad that the single biggest avoidable risk factor for COVID-19 deaths - obesity - is mentioned so little in the reports. It’s the reason the NHS came under so much pressure, and almost always why relatively young people died.

    E.g. in the 240 page resilience report it’s mentioned once. I do my best to be balanced about the conduct of public servants, but it really is a disgraceful abrogation of duty. Entirely unserious.

    When you compare to the attention rightly paid to reducing tobacco use in the interests of public health it is a major failing.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,508
    edited 7:50AM
    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    Eabhal said:

    FPT I still think it’s mad that the single biggest avoidable risk factor for COVID-19 deaths - obesity - is mentioned so little in the reports. It’s the reason the NHS came under so much pressure, and almost always why relatively young people died.

    E.g. in the 240 page resilience report it’s mentioned once. I do my best to be balanced about the conduct of public servants, but it really is a disgraceful abrogation of duty. Entirely unserious.

    I'm still amazed that the government didn't encourage weight loss and improved personal fitness during covid.
    It’s always little,nudges.

    So we’vehad the so called soda tax, advertising bans, BOGOF bans, bans on placing sweets near checkouts and other drivel that hasn’t worked which was advocated by well organised and well remunerated lobbying groups.

    TFL even had to pull one of its own ads for places to visit in London as food featured in it was HFSS.

    Yet obesity still increases

    We now have an initiative coming where people will get vouchers and rewards if they walk a certain amount of time in the week.

    The answer is probably to get people on the jabs rather than all of this ineffective bullshit.
    Is obesity increasing? Do you have any evidence for that assertion?

    During my week in Manchester, I saw a lot more vaping among young people than I see in London. Is vaping absent of health risk?

    As for the "jabs" (which will likely be pills before long), we'll see. There are those who might argue appetite suppression and reduced size has other economic consequences.

    Indeed, one of those consequences would be to make the manufacturers of Ozempic, Wegovy, Mounjaro and the rest extremely wealthy to an extent the drug cartels can only dream.
    Novo Nordisk already has Wegvy brand oral semaglutide pills approved and available in the US, they’ll be everywhere before long.

    https://abcnews.com/GMA/Wellness/wegovy-daily-pill-now-costs/story?id=128898797

    Better that regulated ‘big’ pharma makes money and pays taxes, than the profits going to the other end of the drug business.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,820

    MelonB said:

    Taz said:

    Does anyone do wordle.

    What the hell is that word today ?

    I only got it as I had the last four letters and just went along putting every free letter in until,it was right

    On the fifth go.

    Similar experience here. American word.
    No, not American. It originated in England in the early 17th Century. I've come across it in older books. One of Sherlock Holmes' catchphrases was "Pshaw, my dear boy! It was simplicity itself."
    A lot of the words which we decry as American (sidewalk and apartment, for example) are actually of English origin, which survived over there while they were replaced back home.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,480
    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    Eabhal said:

    FPT I still think it’s mad that the single biggest avoidable risk factor for COVID-19 deaths - obesity - is mentioned so little in the reports. It’s the reason the NHS came under so much pressure, and almost always why relatively young people died.

    E.g. in the 240 page resilience report it’s mentioned once. I do my best to be balanced about the conduct of public servants, but it really is a disgraceful abrogation of duty. Entirely unserious.

    I'm still amazed that the government didn't encourage weight loss and improved personal fitness during covid.
    It’s always little,nudges.

    So we’vehad the so called soda tax, advertising bans, BOGOF bans, bans on placing sweets near checkouts and other drivel that hasn’t worked which was advocated by well organised and well remunerated lobbying groups.

    TFL even had to pull one of its own ads for places to visit in London as food featured in it was HFSS.

    Yet obesity still increases

    We now have an initiative coming where people will get vouchers and rewards if they walk a certain amount of time in the week.

    The answer is probably to get people on the jabs rather than all of this ineffective bullshit.
    Is obesity increasing? Do you have any evidence for that assertion?

    During my week in Manchester, I saw a lot more vaping among young people than I see in London. Is vaping absent of health risk?

    As for the "jabs" (which will likely be pills before long), we'll see. There are those who might argue appetite suppression and reduced size has other economic consequences.

    Indeed, one of those consequences would be to make the manufacturers of Ozempic, Wegovy, Mounjaro and the rest extremely wealthy to an extent the drug cartels can only dream.
    Oh how awful. Lawful Businesses investing private capital to develop a product that helps solve a problem that is getting worse and is a burden on society and our sainted NHS make money from it !!

    We should be thanking them not reviling them and how many products do they spend billions on and flop. AZ shares took a tumble this week due to one such failure.

    Biopharma businesses use their profits to, partly, fund development of new drugs.

    Plenty of businesses make money at the moment on weight loss and weight managements. Slimming world, weight watchers, those bloody JanePlan ads.

    There are already pills.

    Obesity is increasing. From NHS England

    1993: 13% of men and 16% of women were living with obesity.

    2008: Obesity prevalence sharply increased to 25% across the adult population.

    2024: 30% of adults aged 16+ were classified as obese, with a further 36% classified as overweight
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,829
    DavidL said:

    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    One of those nonsensical polls that tells you nothing.

    Who are "the Establishment" ? Who are "the People" ?

    By many metrics, most of us on here would be "the Establishment" and at what point in the glorious revolution (we haven't had one for over 350 years so we're probably due one) do "the People" become "the Establishment" and who will be "the People" once we have all broken wind in the palaces of the mighty?

    My 3 year old daughter on a railway bridge:

    "We go on a train?"
    "No, not today."
    "People go on the train?"
    "Yes, people go on the train."
    "We people".
    "Yes..."
    "We go on the train?"

    At this point I knew I was in a lot of trouble.
    Don't Scottish nurseries teach even elementary Aristotelian logic?

    "People (unquantified) go on train
    I am a people
    therefore I go on a train"

    really won't do. If she had added 'all' in front of the first 'people' it would be fine.

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 64,102
    edited 7:55AM
    As an aside, I'm growing rather tired of sleeping badly due to heat. Trying to work out if being a clumsy fucker the last few days is just typical nonsense or a side effect.

    Edited extra bit: on obesity, I had a recent health checkup. My waist was recorded at 75cm (30").

    If only my wallet weren't similarly thinner than average.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 34,012
    edited 7:56AM
    Good morning everyone. What a bundle of news; I need to do a Stodge, about several people.

    I've been very interested listening to memories and commentary about Ann Widdecombe. The Rest is Politics were especially good in capturing her nature as a bit of a political and personal smorgasboard, with unexpected areas of attention and interest. * Alistair Campbell noted that when she was asked for his greatest contribution, she was the only one who mentioned his mental health: 'he shows that someone with mental health problems can hold down a role at the highest level' (paraphrase).

    I think of Anne Widdecombe as a Curate's Egg, someone capable of intense personal kindness and interest, but also old style high-handed indifferent, symbolic cruelty; there is something bizarre about a (probably) avowed lifelong virgin insisting that women in labour be kept in handcuffs to prevent them running away from hospital. If I make a "style" comparison, it would perhaps be with Roger Scruton.

    And Harvey Proctor. The piece linked earlier was a dignified reply to Zia Yusuf's trolling. I can't put a handle on Proctor either. For 2 decades, he was quite like one of Farage's proteges (Monday club secretary 1989-1971) and is now a more sympathetic figure.

    Plus Lord Hogan-Howe, former Met Commissioner. He was responsible for Operation Midland in the 2010s looking into historic child abuse allegations, and had to personally apologise to Proctor for the Met doing him over, and the Met paid £900k as a compensation package.

    I know him as one of the more ignorant of the cyclist-obsessed gang who fester in a corner of the House of Lords, and every time he wastes the Lords' time by making a speech on the subject I can tick off the tropes on my bingo-card.

    Hogan-Howe running the review into how our police should be structured.

    * The Rest is Politics on Widdecombe. 35 minutes.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWVCsgwV4s0
  • eekeek Posts: 34,536
    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Sign going up in Clacton


    Not very accurate.

    Most of his 'donations' are a lot less than that.
    But as with the bus it’s very hard to argue against - and it’s the sort of money that would make people think he’s not one of us, which I suspect is the point
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,692
    DavidL said:

    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    One of those nonsensical polls that tells you nothing.

    Who are "the Establishment" ? Who are "the People" ?

    By many metrics, most of us on here would be "the Establishment" and at what point in the glorious revolution (we haven't had one for over 350 years so we're probably due one) do "the People" become "the Establishment" and who will be "the People" once we have all broken wind in the palaces of the mighty?

    My 3 year old daughter on a railway bridge:

    "We go on a train?"
    "No, not today."
    "People go on the train?"
    "Yes, people go on the train."
    "We people".
    "Yes..."
    "We go on the train?"

    At this point I knew I was in a lot of trouble.
    "Do you have kids?"

    Yes

    "Oh, cool! Boys or girls?"

    Lawyers...

    "Oooooooh"
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,906
    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    Eabhal said:

    FPT I still think it’s mad that the single biggest avoidable risk factor for COVID-19 deaths - obesity - is mentioned so little in the reports. It’s the reason the NHS came under so much pressure, and almost always why relatively young people died.

    E.g. in the 240 page resilience report it’s mentioned once. I do my best to be balanced about the conduct of public servants, but it really is a disgraceful abrogation of duty. Entirely unserious.

    I'm still amazed that the government didn't encourage weight loss and improved personal fitness during covid.
    It’s always little,nudges.

    So we’vehad the so called soda tax, advertising bans, BOGOF bans, bans on placing sweets near checkouts and other drivel that hasn’t worked which was advocated by well organised and well remunerated lobbying groups.

    TFL even had to pull one of its own ads for places to visit in London as food featured in it was HFSS.

    Yet obesity still increases

    We now have an initiative coming where people will get vouchers and rewards if they walk a certain amount of time in the week.

    The answer is probably to get people on the jabs rather than all of this ineffective bullshit.
    Is obesity increasing? Do you have any evidence for that assertion?

    During my week in Manchester, I saw a lot more vaping among young people than I see in London. Is vaping absent of health risk?

    As for the "jabs" (which will likely be pills before long), we'll see. There are those who might argue appetite suppression and reduced size has other economic consequences.

    Indeed, one of those consequences would be to make the manufacturers of Ozempic, Wegovy, Mounjaro and the rest extremely wealthy to an extent the drug cartels can only dream.
    Ozempic’s patents have already started to expire in other parts of the world and will eventually expire here. The rent is finite.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,820
    Taz said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    Eabhal said:

    FPT I still think it’s mad that the single biggest avoidable risk factor for COVID-19 deaths - obesity - is mentioned so little in the reports. It’s the reason the NHS came under so much pressure, and almost always why relatively young people died.

    E.g. in the 240 page resilience report it’s mentioned once. I do my best to be balanced about the conduct of public servants, but it really is a disgraceful abrogation of duty. Entirely unserious.

    I'm still amazed that the government didn't encourage weight loss and improved personal fitness during covid.
    It’s always little,nudges.

    So we’vehad the so called soda tax, advertising bans, BOGOF bans, bans on placing sweets near checkouts and other drivel that hasn’t worked which was advocated by well organised and well remunerated lobbying groups.

    TFL even had to pull one of its own ads for places to visit in London as food featured in it was HFSS.

    Yet obesity still increases

    We now have an initiative coming where people will get vouchers and rewards if they walk a certain amount of time in the week.

    The answer is probably to get people on the jabs rather than all of this ineffective bullshit.
    Is obesity increasing? Do you have any evidence for that assertion?

    During my week in Manchester, I saw a lot more vaping among young people than I see in London. Is vaping absent of health risk?

    As for the "jabs" (which will likely be pills before long), we'll see. There are those who might argue appetite suppression and reduced size has other economic consequences.

    Indeed, one of those consequences would be to make the manufacturers of Ozempic, Wegovy, Mounjaro and the rest extremely wealthy to an extent the drug cartels can only dream.
    Oh how awful. Lawful Businesses investing private capital to develop a product that helps solve a problem that is getting worse and is a burden on society and our sainted NHS make money from it !!

    We should be thanking them not reviling them and how many products do they spend billions on and flop. AZ shares took a tumble this week due to one such failure.

    Biopharma businesses use their profits to, partly, fund development of new drugs.

    Plenty of businesses make money at the moment on weight loss and weight managements. Slimming world, weight watchers, those bloody JanePlan ads.

    There are already pills.

    Obesity is increasing. From NHS England

    1993: 13% of men and 16% of women were living with obesity.

    2008: Obesity prevalence sharply increased to 25% across the adult population.

    2024: 30% of adults aged 16+ were classified as obese, with a further 36% classified as overweight
    Obesity rates have started to level off (probably associated with the availability of the new drugs).
    https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/articles/2026/obesity-rates-levelling-off-and-even-declining-in-many-nations-says-global-progress-report/

    The UK is pretty poor amongst developed countries, but better than the US.

    Childhood obesity levels are our most urgent problem, and the benefit from tackling that would be the greatest, both in health and economic terms.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,419
    Sandpit said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    Eabhal said:

    FPT I still think it’s mad that the single biggest avoidable risk factor for COVID-19 deaths - obesity - is mentioned so little in the reports. It’s the reason the NHS came under so much pressure, and almost always why relatively young people died.

    E.g. in the 240 page resilience report it’s mentioned once. I do my best to be balanced about the conduct of public servants, but it really is a disgraceful abrogation of duty. Entirely unserious.

    I'm still amazed that the government didn't encourage weight loss and improved personal fitness during covid.
    It’s always little,nudges.

    So we’vehad the so called soda tax, advertising bans, BOGOF bans, bans on placing sweets near checkouts and other drivel that hasn’t worked which was advocated by well organised and well remunerated lobbying groups.

    TFL even had to pull one of its own ads for places to visit in London as food featured in it was HFSS.

    Yet obesity still increases

    We now have an initiative coming where people will get vouchers and rewards if they walk a certain amount of time in the week.

    The answer is probably to get people on the jabs rather than all of this ineffective bullshit.
    Is obesity increasing? Do you have any evidence for that assertion?

    During my week in Manchester, I saw a lot more vaping among young people than I see in London. Is vaping absent of health risk?

    As for the "jabs" (which will likely be pills before long), we'll see. There are those who might argue appetite suppression and reduced size has other economic consequences.

    Indeed, one of those consequences would be to make the manufacturers of Ozempic, Wegovy, Mounjaro and the rest extremely wealthy to an extent the drug cartels can only dream.
    Novo Nordisk already has Wegvy brand oral semaglutide pills approved and available in the US, they’ll be everywhere before long.

    https://abcnews.com/GMA/Wellness/wegovy-daily-pill-now-costs/story?id=128898797

    Better that regulated ‘big’ pharma makes money and pays taxes, than the profits going to the other end of the drug business.
    Those Wegovy pills are already available for sale in the UK.

    At £150 - £200 per month, they are not an option* for many of the poorest but the pay back for the NHS and the DWP must surley be there if they were allowed freely on the NHS.

    I'm sure that will come within the next 5 years.

    (*Not an easy option at any rate.)
  • MattWMattW Posts: 34,012
    edited 8:02AM
    ydoethur said:

    Eabhal said:

    FPT I still think it’s mad that the single biggest avoidable risk factor for COVID-19 deaths - obesity - is mentioned so little in the reports. It’s the reason the NHS came under so much pressure, and almost always why relatively young people died.

    E.g. in the 240 page resilience report it’s mentioned once. I do my best to be balanced about the conduct of public servants, but it really is a disgraceful abrogation of duty. Entirely unserious.

    I'm still amazed that the government didn't encourage weight loss and improved personal fitness during covid.
    It's something that Boris got right.

    And the solution that he has fairly consistently pushed- gentle active travel builds enough physical activity into people's lives- is on the right lines and is inherently political. It's all about how we divvy up finite shared space, after all.

    Unfortunately, both Sunak and Starmer blinked, panicked and drove away when they saw the opposition to measures that made cars a bit less convenient.
    I am told - I'm not sure how accurate it is - that actually Boris Bikes have not been a success in that regard as they are so unstable they lead to multiple ankle injuries.
    I don't think it is a high injury rate - unless you fall off and 20kg+ lands on your leg. They are clunkers as they are heavy - so people may try to treat them like a normal whippy bike and find it does not work. They are the Morris Oxford or London Taxi of bicycles.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,480
    Foss said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    Eabhal said:

    FPT I still think it’s mad that the single biggest avoidable risk factor for COVID-19 deaths - obesity - is mentioned so little in the reports. It’s the reason the NHS came under so much pressure, and almost always why relatively young people died.

    E.g. in the 240 page resilience report it’s mentioned once. I do my best to be balanced about the conduct of public servants, but it really is a disgraceful abrogation of duty. Entirely unserious.

    I'm still amazed that the government didn't encourage weight loss and improved personal fitness during covid.
    It’s always little,nudges.

    So we’vehad the so called soda tax, advertising bans, BOGOF bans, bans on placing sweets near checkouts and other drivel that hasn’t worked which was advocated by well organised and well remunerated lobbying groups.

    TFL even had to pull one of its own ads for places to visit in London as food featured in it was HFSS.

    Yet obesity still increases

    We now have an initiative coming where people will get vouchers and rewards if they walk a certain amount of time in the week.

    The answer is probably to get people on the jabs rather than all of this ineffective bullshit.
    Is obesity increasing? Do you have any evidence for that assertion?

    During my week in Manchester, I saw a lot more vaping among young people than I see in London. Is vaping absent of health risk?

    As for the "jabs" (which will likely be pills before long), we'll see. There are those who might argue appetite suppression and reduced size has other economic consequences.

    Indeed, one of those consequences would be to make the manufacturers of Ozempic, Wegovy, Mounjaro and the rest extremely wealthy to an extent the drug cartels can only dream.
    Ozempic’s patents have already started to expire in other parts of the world and will eventually expire here. The rent is finite.
    Plus now it’s in tablet form this is considerably more cost effective to manufacture than the liquid form and can be done, en masse, in the far east like many other tablets in blister packs

    I don’t know why people get so annoyed at pharma companies making a profit on product they’ve developed and brought to market. It’s not exactly risk free and these products, by and large, are good and improve lives.

    They also need to generate revenue to invest in future development.

    Oh, and just look at the share prices of the likes of Novo, AZ and other pharma companies. They’re hardly achievers
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,281
    What the hell kind of inane bullshit is a curfew that ypu can opt out of?
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,413

    As an aside, I'm growing rather tired of sleeping badly due to heat. Trying to work out if being a clumsy fucker the last few days is just typical nonsense or a side effect.

    Edited extra bit: on obesity, I had a recent health checkup. My waist was recorded at 75cm (30").

    If only my wallet weren't similarly thinner than average.

    I found a couple of nights not sleeping due to the heat kicked off a spell of what feels more like generic insomnia. With the windows open, it has been cool enough here to sleep under a summer weight duvet, but I'm still having disturbed nights.

    Yesterday was "the wrong amount of alcohol" though so I may skip my usual pub visit tonight and see if that helps. The pub will be full of football fans in any case, and I'd have to cut any visit short to avoid the match
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,820

    Taz said:



    FPT

    DoctorG said:

    Reports in The Times that the Treasury are looking to bring forward the increase in state pension age to 68 to start from 2037. The current published plan is to phase this increase in from April 2044.

    Millions forced to work longer under state pension age extension plan
    Treasury officials have told the Office for Budget Responsibility that the state retirement threshold will rise to 68 seven years earlier than legislated

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/state-pension-uk-retirement-age-68-nc50dzgcn (£££)

    Dr Suzy Morrissey is due to report imminently with her findings after last years call for evidence for the third state pension age review following the 2014 act. The govt then works on that.

    So there’s a bit of pre emoting of that although the scope also included how future state pension age will be determined.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/calls-for-evidence/third-state-pension-age-review-independent-report-call-for-evidence

    Final govt report/decision was supposedly not due til 2029

    Given the govt is supposedly committed to a 10 year notification of any change in state pension age if that holds this change would need to go through next year. If it is an actual proposed change rather than an assumption.
    The eagerness to bring this change in is in complete contrast to the refusal to do anything about the triple lock.
    What eagerness ?

    We have not announced any change of policy - and certainly not this specific one. There is currently a review of the State Pension age underway - that is simply because legislation (the 2014 Act) requires the Secretary of State to conduct such reviews on a fairly regular basis
    https://x.com/TorstenBell/status/2077158252677071350
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,480

    What the hell kind of inane bullshit is a curfew that ypu can opt out of?

    Something needs to be done

    This is something
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,413
    Nigelb said:

    MelonB said:

    Taz said:

    Does anyone do wordle.

    What the hell is that word today ?

    I only got it as I had the last four letters and just went along putting every free letter in until,it was right

    On the fifth go.

    Similar experience here. American word.
    No, not American. It originated in England in the early 17th Century. I've come across it in older books. One of Sherlock Holmes' catchphrases was "Pshaw, my dear boy! It was simplicity itself."
    A lot of the words which we decry as American (sidewalk and apartment, for example) are actually of English origin, which survived over there while they were replaced back home.
    Indeed, for some reason we decided autumn sounded fancier than fall
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,480

    Sandpit said:

    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    Eabhal said:

    FPT I still think it’s mad that the single biggest avoidable risk factor for COVID-19 deaths - obesity - is mentioned so little in the reports. It’s the reason the NHS came under so much pressure, and almost always why relatively young people died.

    E.g. in the 240 page resilience report it’s mentioned once. I do my best to be balanced about the conduct of public servants, but it really is a disgraceful abrogation of duty. Entirely unserious.

    I'm still amazed that the government didn't encourage weight loss and improved personal fitness during covid.
    It’s always little,nudges.

    So we’vehad the so called soda tax, advertising bans, BOGOF bans, bans on placing sweets near checkouts and other drivel that hasn’t worked which was advocated by well organised and well remunerated lobbying groups.

    TFL even had to pull one of its own ads for places to visit in London as food featured in it was HFSS.

    Yet obesity still increases

    We now have an initiative coming where people will get vouchers and rewards if they walk a certain amount of time in the week.

    The answer is probably to get people on the jabs rather than all of this ineffective bullshit.
    Is obesity increasing? Do you have any evidence for that assertion?

    During my week in Manchester, I saw a lot more vaping among young people than I see in London. Is vaping absent of health risk?

    As for the "jabs" (which will likely be pills before long), we'll see. There are those who might argue appetite suppression and reduced size has other economic consequences.

    Indeed, one of those consequences would be to make the manufacturers of Ozempic, Wegovy, Mounjaro and the rest extremely wealthy to an extent the drug cartels can only dream.
    Novo Nordisk already has Wegvy brand oral semaglutide pills approved and available in the US, they’ll be everywhere before long.

    https://abcnews.com/GMA/Wellness/wegovy-daily-pill-now-costs/story?id=128898797

    Better that regulated ‘big’ pharma makes money and pays taxes, than the profits going to the other end of the drug business.
    Those Wegovy pills are already available for sale in the UK.

    At £150 - £200 per month, they are not an option* for many of the poorest but the pay back for the NHS and the DWP must surley be there if they were allowed freely on the NHS.

    I'm sure that will come within the next 5 years.

    (*Not an easy option at any rate.)
    There are four dose ranges for those. They start well below your range. £99 on Boots for the lowest dose

    There is a cheaper pill called Orlestat too.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,281
    Taz said:

    Eabhal said:

    FPT I still think it’s mad that the single biggest avoidable risk factor for COVID-19 deaths - obesity - is mentioned so little in the reports. It’s the reason the NHS came under so much pressure, and almost always why relatively young people died.

    E.g. in the 240 page resilience report it’s mentioned once. I do my best to be balanced about the conduct of public servants, but it really is a disgraceful abrogation of duty. Entirely unserious.

    I'm still amazed that the government didn't encourage weight loss and improved personal fitness during covid.
    It’s always little,nudges.

    So we’vehad the so called soda tax, advertising bans, BOGOF bans, bans on placing sweets near checkouts and other drivel that hasn’t worked which was advocated by well organised and well remunerated lobbying groups.

    TFL even had to pull one of its own ads for places to visit in London as food featured in it was HFSS.

    Yet obesity still increases

    We now have an initiative coming where people will get vouchers and rewards if they walk a certain amount of time in the week.

    The answer is probably to get people on the jabs rather than all of this ineffective bullshit.
    HFSS is bullshit too.

    I used to be obese, peaking during Covid.

    Nearly 3 years ago changed my diet and now no longer overweight, let alone obese. Blood tests etc all coming back great too.

    No drugs taken, just a change in food.

    And yet on traffic light labels much of the food I eat is labelled red for fats, and some red for salts.

    High fat is perfectly healthy so long as it is not combined with high carbs. It is the two combined that is problematic.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,536
    Taz said:

    What the hell kind of inane bullshit is a curfew that ypu can opt out of?

    Something needs to be done

    This is something
    The fix is impossible because insisting on proper moderation would result in 100% tariffs on all goods sold to the USA.

    Hence we do crap around the edges because it’s all we can do
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,480
    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:



    FPT

    DoctorG said:

    Reports in The Times that the Treasury are looking to bring forward the increase in state pension age to 68 to start from 2037. The current published plan is to phase this increase in from April 2044.

    Millions forced to work longer under state pension age extension plan
    Treasury officials have told the Office for Budget Responsibility that the state retirement threshold will rise to 68 seven years earlier than legislated

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/state-pension-uk-retirement-age-68-nc50dzgcn (£££)

    Dr Suzy Morrissey is due to report imminently with her findings after last years call for evidence for the third state pension age review following the 2014 act. The govt then works on that.

    So there’s a bit of pre emoting of that although the scope also included how future state pension age will be determined.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/calls-for-evidence/third-state-pension-age-review-independent-report-call-for-evidence

    Final govt report/decision was supposedly not due til 2029

    Given the govt is supposedly committed to a 10 year notification of any change in state pension age if that holds this change would need to go through next year. If it is an actual proposed change rather than an assumption.
    The eagerness to bring this change in is in complete contrast to the refusal to do anything about the triple lock.
    What eagerness ?

    We have not announced any change of policy - and certainly not this specific one. There is currently a review of the State Pension age underway - that is simply because legislation (the 2014 Act) requires the Secretary of State to conduct such reviews on a fairly regular basis
    https://x.com/TorstenBell/status/2077158252677071350
    So it’s either been floated to assess reaction or an assumption put into forecasts.

    The Morrissey review into state pension age called for evidence last fall and is due to report imminently

    The govt timescale conveniently,kicks its response to it out to spring 29
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,346
    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    Eabhal said:

    FPT I still think it’s mad that the single biggest avoidable risk factor for COVID-19 deaths - obesity - is mentioned so little in the reports. It’s the reason the NHS came under so much pressure, and almost always why relatively young people died.

    E.g. in the 240 page resilience report it’s mentioned once. I do my best to be balanced about the conduct of public servants, but it really is a disgraceful abrogation of duty. Entirely unserious.

    I'm still amazed that the government didn't encourage weight loss and improved personal fitness during covid.
    It’s always little,nudges.

    So we’vehad the so called soda tax, advertising bans, BOGOF bans, bans on placing sweets near checkouts and other drivel that hasn’t worked which was advocated by well organised and well remunerated lobbying groups.

    TFL even had to pull one of its own ads for places to visit in London as food featured in it was HFSS.

    Yet obesity still increases

    We now have an initiative coming where people will get vouchers and rewards if they walk a certain amount of time in the week.

    The answer is probably to get people on the jabs rather than all of this ineffective bullshit.
    It’s not ineffective, nor inevitable . If you eat well and get some exercise there’s no need to spend billions on pharmaceuticals (who have their own lobbying efforts).

    Any student of Economics 1A knows that an insurance system like the NHS collapses if you don’t align the incentives properly. It’s the great fatal flaw of a public health system, and that’s why people are so keen on vouchers for exercise , or tax discounts for being a healthy weight- because that’s precisely what private insurance systems do to correct for moral hazard.

    The evidence is exceptionally strong that they work.
    The Vitality scheme (private health insurance combined with vouchers & discounts) was a roaring success.
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