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  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,427
    tlg86 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Why dive when you know dozens of cameras are filming you and millions of people watching? Mindboggling.

    I half expected the Argentinians to take a dive, I didn’t expect the Swiss to do it!
    It was a Swiss roll.
    Well they’re rolling into extra time.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,859
    This is going well for England.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,859
    Damn.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,427
    Andy_JS said:

    This is going well for England.

    Spoke too soon. 2-1 Argentina.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,859
    Sandpit said:

    Andy_JS said:

    This is going well for England.

    Spoke too soon. 2-1 Argentina.
    We still haven't forgotten about hand of god.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,786
    Andy_JS said:

    Sandpit said:

    Andy_JS said:

    This is going well for England.

    Spoke too soon. 2-1 Argentina.
    We still haven't forgotten about hand of god.
    I have still not forgotten the World Cup final in 1978 where the host team Argentina played Holland and how their antics even before the game started followed by their behaviour on the pitch along with the incredibly intimidating atmosphere in the stadium and the shocking referee decisions throughout the game which set the tone for the worst final I have ever watched.

    So I was no fan of the Argentina football team way before the hand of god incident against England and nothing I have seen since then in their continued World Cup appearances has ever managed to make me warm to them while I have in contrast developed a huge fondness over the years for their neighbour Brazil's national football team and their fans despite the amount of times Scotland has played and lost to them in World Cup tournaments!

    So when England face Argentina on Wednesday I will be cheering on the remaining home nation team in the World Cup tournament with gusto! I would love to see England win against Argentina and face France in the final, especially in light of the fact that the French have just loaned the British Museum the Bayeux Tapestry...
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 64,088
    Good morning, everyone.

    Hoping this is a day when the upstairs can actually cool down. Tired of this prolonged heatwave with interludes of bearable temperatures.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,071
    edited 5:57AM
    Andy_JS said:

    In hindsight it seemed very likely that the semi-finalists would probably be France, Spain, Argentina, England, but I wonder what the odds on that combination was before the tournament started. (Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any way to find out what they were at that time).

    I cannot see any odds against naming the semi-finalists but here are the pre-tournament outright prices:-



    ETA: look how far down you have to go to find Switzerland.

    ETA: evidence against England being under-priced for patriotic mugs! The perennially under-priced and overrated team is Brazil. Does anyone know if Nate Silver tipped them yet again?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,393
    viewcode said:

    Cookie said:

    Turned on the telly and realised we're on ITV.

    Well, it was a good run I suppose.

    The curse of ITV is a myth.
    Told you.

    Thank goodness.

    I will not have to listen to Sam Matterface and Lee Dixon commentate on another England match for the rest of the tournament.
    I'd be interested in the views of our resident statistician - but for about 25 years (roughly 1995-2020) the performances on ITV seemed to be consistently awful. It wasn't just win/lose, it was that the wins in ITV were unconvincing 2-0s against tiny Carribbean nations; the losses on BBC were creditable performances against Brazil and the losses on ITV were abject capitulations against Iceland.
    I don't believe it was a curse - but it was a very strong correlation.
    But over the last five years or so the pattern seems to uave gone away.
    https://metro.co.uk/2026/06/17/englands-itv-curse-real-three-lions-record-bbc-itv-ahead-world-cup-opener-2-28800845/

    Convert it into a 2x2 table thus:

    Channel Win Lose/Draw Total
    ITV 10 23 33
    BBC 21 09 30
    Total 31 32 63

    Then feed those numbers into a chi-square 2x2 online calculator. I used this one and Fisher's exact test and it gave me the following:

    https://www.graphpad.com/quickcalcs/contingency1/

    The results were
    • Fisher's exact test
    • The two-tailed P value equals 0.0024
    • The association between rows (groups) and columns (outcomes) is considered to be very statistically significant.
    Trying another one and chi-square gives us the following

    https://www.socscistatistics.com/tests/chisquare/calculator/

    Results:
    • χ² = 9.9078
    • df = 1
    • p-value = 0.001646
    • Cramér's V = 0.3966
    • So the difference between groups is significant and the association is moderate
    Result: Statistically Significant
    • There IS a statistically significant association between the variables (p = 0.0016).
    • At the 0.05 significance level, we reject the null hypothesis of independence. The two categorical variables appear to be related.
    • The effect size (Cramér's V = 0.397) suggests a moderate association.
    • Remember: Statistical significance doesn't necessarily mean practical importance. Consider the effect size and real-world context.
    So yes, the curse of ITV exists, but it's not a big curse. Kind of "you will have a shitty job" instead of "you will be unemployed for ever and your willy will drop off"

    Of course, kids today would have to write a bloody letter program and do ten thousand iterations, wheras I just googled for a calculator and did it in under five minutes. Also of course I could have asked an AI, but cut me some slack it's gone midnight. If I've made a mistake I'm sure some kind person will point it out, so apologies in advance

    :)
    Yeah, my thoughts exactly.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,303
    Quite funny that England benefitted from an "anti-Arsenal" corner rule with the Argies benefitting from a rule punishing diving lol
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,561
    HYUFD said:

    Mrs Burnham very trusting in her husband

    'Andy Burnham may be at his most powerful - no Cabinet positions announced, 'North Korean' levels of support among Labour MPs - but there are already tensions and jockeying for position among his most loyal allies

    * Such is the speed of coronation that Burnham has yet to decide on his living arrangements. His wife, Marie-France Van Heel, is considering staying in Manchester so she can continue her role as a marketing executive, with the couple reuniting over long weekends. One ally jokingly said Burnham could end up living a 'bachelor' lifestyle above No 11..'

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2075972223219667194?s=20

    She's assuming he won't be in the role for long, so they'll need the income.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,034

    Good morning, everyone.

    Hoping this is a day when the upstairs can actually cool down. Tired of this prolonged heatwave with interludes of bearable temperatures.

    We desperately need rain as well. I have 300 gallon capacity for rainwater in water butts, all of which will be empty by the end of this week.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 64,088
    Battlebus said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mrs Burnham very trusting in her husband

    'Andy Burnham may be at his most powerful - no Cabinet positions announced, 'North Korean' levels of support among Labour MPs - but there are already tensions and jockeying for position among his most loyal allies

    * Such is the speed of coronation that Burnham has yet to decide on his living arrangements. His wife, Marie-France Van Heel, is considering staying in Manchester so she can continue her role as a marketing executive, with the couple reuniting over long weekends. One ally jokingly said Burnham could end up living a 'bachelor' lifestyle above No 11..'

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2075972223219667194?s=20

    She's assuming he won't be in the role for long, so they'll need the income.
    Pre-DnD discussion yesterday turned to how many Prime Ministers we've had since the campaign started mid-2023. Apparently the answer's just three, Sunak, Starmer and, (imminently) Burnham. If it had started a year earlier the answer would be five.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,362
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,737
    edited 6:31AM
    U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham has died, per his office. He was 71.
    https://x.com/VoteHub/status/2076189100856824049

    RIP
    Slightly more honest than McConnell to the end.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,034
    Taz said:
    Gosh. That's very sudden. Any word on what happened? I presume it was a stroke/heart attack.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,851
    Nigelb said:

    U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham has died, per his office. He was 71.
    https://x.com/VoteHub/status/2076189100856824049

    RIP

    Slightly more honest than McConnell to the end.

    With McConnell er, "unable to attend Congress", that makes for an interesting Senate for Trump.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,561
    Taz said:
    How soon before someone says they've been talking to him.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,034

    Nigelb said:

    U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham has died, per his office. He was 71.
    https://x.com/VoteHub/status/2076189100856824049

    RIP

    Slightly more honest than McConnell to the end.

    With McConnell er, "unable to attend Congress", that makes for an interesting Senate for Trump.
    The governor can appoint a replacement, and since he spends a lot of time sucking up to Trump he will almost certainly appoint somebody Trump will like very much.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,034
    Battlebus said:

    Taz said:
    How soon before someone says they've been talking to him.
    I imagine quite a few will be saying, rather shocked, 'But I spoke to him yesterday!'
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,455
    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:
    Gosh. That's very sudden. Any word on what happened? I presume it was a stroke/heart attack.
    He was slightly younger than I thought.

    RIP and we need to play up play up and play the game so ... one of the great characters of American public life. Yep.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,669
    @vcdgf555.bsky.social‬

    Senator Graham's office called it a "brief and sudden illness."

    Now we have NBC News adding EMTs responded to "cardiac arrest."

    NBC: Emergency personnel responded to a call for “cardiac arrest” at Graham’s Capitol Hill home on Saturday night, according to police scanner audio obtained by NBC News.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,669
    @darklaughtertdb.bsky.social‬

    Great, now we're going to have a week of people asking if Russia assassinated Lindsey Graham, and I wouldn't be shocked if one of the people wondering about it was Putin.

    Bortnikov: "Honestly? No clue. It sounds like something we'd do."
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,669
    @andycraig.bsky.social‬

    Senate vacancy primer, South Carolina:
    - McMaster can appoint an interim senator
    - There will be a special election in Nov (only covers lame duck few weeks)
    - Graham's seat was already up for a regular 2026 election
    - State GOP will also pick a new nominee to replace Graham for the regular election
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,034
    Scott_xP said:

    @andycraig.bsky.social‬

    Senate vacancy primer, South Carolina:
    - McMaster can appoint an interim senator
    - There will be a special election in Nov (only covers lame duck few weeks)
    - Graham's seat was already up for a regular 2026 election
    - State GOP will also pick a new nominee to replace Graham for the regular election

    AIUI that bit may not be correct. The interim Senator serves until January 3rd following the next set of elections, unless it is less than one hundred days before them (which this isn't).

    https://law.justia.com/codes/south-carolina/title-7/chapter-19/section-7-19-20/?__cf_chl_tk=zVzhAWxwoJvr2NT7VGmyokZgKFmhKvjfi9Gv8MVNzec-1783838521-1.0.1.1-gDWGuuRmRpdlFe8Yj6NfXMTkFA.z9Uf1oypYHOWw9Pc

    The only question might be, will he pick the person chosen to be the new candidate for the seat? It would be logical to.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,851
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham has died, per his office. He was 71.
    https://x.com/VoteHub/status/2076189100856824049

    RIP

    Slightly more honest than McConnell to the end.

    With McConnell er, "unable to attend Congress", that makes for an interesting Senate for Trump.
    The governor can appoint a replacement, and since he spends a lot of time sucking up to Trump he will almost certainly appoint somebody Trump will like very much.
    A Trump-endorsed replacement might help them to November. But not beyond. Likely means another seat the Republicans have to spend a shed load of cash they ween't expecting.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,071
    UK to crack down on unlicensed casinos sponsoring football teams
    Government to launch consultation after Everton’s deal with Stake.com went ahead amid warnings from Gambling Commission

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2026/jul/12/uk-unlicensed-casinos-football-sponsorship-gambling-commission

    Any celebrity Everton fans and soon-to-be Prime Ministers you can think of?
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,362
    Battlebus said:

    Taz said:
    How soon before someone says they've been talking to him.
    He’d just returned from a trip to Ukraine so I expect a few conspiracy theories to start.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,034
    edited 7:01AM

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham has died, per his office. He was 71.
    https://x.com/VoteHub/status/2076189100856824049

    RIP

    Slightly more honest than McConnell to the end.

    With McConnell er, "unable to attend Congress", that makes for an interesting Senate for Trump.
    The governor can appoint a replacement, and since he spends a lot of time sucking up to Trump he will almost certainly appoint somebody Trump will like very much.
    A Trump-endorsed replacement might help them to November. But not beyond. Likely means another seat the Republicans have to spend a shed load of cash they ween't expecting.
    It wouldn't surprise me at all, on reflection, if McMaster was himself the nominee. Whether he goes to the Senate in advance might be a different question given the complications around Evette losing the gubernatorial primary.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,777
    Taz said:
    Taken too late.

    Malak al-Maut has put a shift in over this last week. Good work.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,561
    Taz said:

    Battlebus said:

    Taz said:
    How soon before someone says they've been talking to him.
    He’d just returned from a trip to Ukraine so I expect a few conspiracy theories to start.
    He ate the soup you mean.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,034
    Battlebus said:

    Taz said:

    Battlebus said:

    Taz said:
    How soon before someone says they've been talking to him.
    He’d just returned from a trip to Ukraine so I expect a few conspiracy theories to start.
    He ate the soup you mean.
    Who knows what got Putin?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,507
    edited 7:06AM
    Battlebus said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mrs Burnham very trusting in her husband

    'Andy Burnham may be at his most powerful - no Cabinet positions announced, 'North Korean' levels of support among Labour MPs - but there are already tensions and jockeying for position among his most loyal allies

    * Such is the speed of coronation that Burnham has yet to decide on his living arrangements. His wife, Marie-France Van Heel, is considering staying in Manchester so she can continue her role as a marketing executive, with the couple reuniting over long weekends. One ally jokingly said Burnham could end up living a 'bachelor' lifestyle above No 11..'

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2075972223219667194?s=20

    She's assuming he won't be in the role for long, so they'll need the income.
    Hardly, even Liz Truss gets £115,000 a year Public Duty Costs Allowance and makes £16,000 an hour now as an ex PM on the speaker circuit

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/liz-truss-rakes-in-250k-in-speaking-fees-DWzgFX_2/
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,851
    edited 7:07AM
    Syrzan oil refinery hit by mutliplr drone strikes. Medium size refinery. Part of the Samara oil refining hub.

    Drones reportedly flying around "like they own the place".

    !,320 Rusian troops and 57 artillery/MLRS not reporting for duty in the Ukrainian SMO today.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,507
    edited 7:11AM
    Taz said:
    Sad news, Graham was very pro funding Ukraine and had only just met Zelensky before he died.

    He also had an over 30 year record of serving in Congress, most of that in the Senate but before that in the House of Representatives. A confirmed bachelor he is survived by his sister who he helped raise when his parents died relatively young and nieces
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 64,088

    Syrzan oil refinery hit by mutliplr drone strikes. Medium size refinery.

    Drones reportedly flying around "like they own the place".

    !,320 Rusian troops and 57 artillery/MLRS not reporting for duty in the Ukrainian SMO today.

    Blimey. This three day Special Military Operation feels like it's been going on forever.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,643
    HYUFD said:

    Battlebus said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mrs Burnham very trusting in her husband

    'Andy Burnham may be at his most powerful - no Cabinet positions announced, 'North Korean' levels of support among Labour MPs - but there are already tensions and jockeying for position among his most loyal allies

    * Such is the speed of coronation that Burnham has yet to decide on his living arrangements. His wife, Marie-France Van Heel, is considering staying in Manchester so she can continue her role as a marketing executive, with the couple reuniting over long weekends. One ally jokingly said Burnham could end up living a 'bachelor' lifestyle above No 11..'

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2075972223219667194?s=20

    She's assuming he won't be in the role for long, so they'll need the income.
    Hardly, even Liz Truss gets £115,000 a year Public Duty Costs Allowance and makes £16,000 an hour now as an ex PM on the speaker circuit

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/liz-truss-rakes-in-250k-in-speaking-fees-DWzgFX_2/
    At that money, I hope what an ex-PM has to say is worth while.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,777
    Taz said:

    Here’s one for @Dura_Ace

    A modern version of the MG Metro Turbo.

    I did drive the old version for about 12 months. It was okay.

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-15965371/MG-Metro-Turbo-electric-hot-hatch-comeback.html

    I kind of fuck with this idea. The new MGs are cheap shit but the old MGs were cheap shit, so it's on brand.

    It needs careful positioning in the market because the hot hatch market is sadly almost dead. The Civic Type-R is gone from the UK market so it's basically multiple Golf GTI derivatives vs GR Yaris.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,034
    HYUFD said:

    Battlebus said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mrs Burnham very trusting in her husband

    'Andy Burnham may be at his most powerful - no Cabinet positions announced, 'North Korean' levels of support among Labour MPs - but there are already tensions and jockeying for position among his most loyal allies

    * Such is the speed of coronation that Burnham has yet to decide on his living arrangements. His wife, Marie-France Van Heel, is considering staying in Manchester so she can continue her role as a marketing executive, with the couple reuniting over long weekends. One ally jokingly said Burnham could end up living a 'bachelor' lifestyle above No 11..'

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2075972223219667194?s=20

    She's assuming he won't be in the role for long, so they'll need the income.
    Hardly, even Liz Truss gets £115,000 a year Public Duty Costs Allowance and makes £16,000 an hour now as an ex PM on the speaker circuit

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/liz-truss-rakes-in-250k-in-speaking-fees-DWzgFX_2/
    It is extremely worrying to think there are people out there mad enough to pay to hear Liz Truss speak.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,794
    HYUFD said:

    Battlebus said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mrs Burnham very trusting in her husband

    'Andy Burnham may be at his most powerful - no Cabinet positions announced, 'North Korean' levels of support among Labour MPs - but there are already tensions and jockeying for position among his most loyal allies

    * Such is the speed of coronation that Burnham has yet to decide on his living arrangements. His wife, Marie-France Van Heel, is considering staying in Manchester so she can continue her role as a marketing executive, with the couple reuniting over long weekends. One ally jokingly said Burnham could end up living a 'bachelor' lifestyle above No 11..'

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2075972223219667194?s=20

    She's assuming he won't be in the role for long, so they'll need the income.
    Hardly, even Liz Truss gets £115,000 a year Public Duty Costs Allowance and makes £16,000 an hour now as an ex PM on the speaker circuit

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/liz-truss-rakes-in-250k-in-speaking-fees-DWzgFX_2/
    The fact that even dismally awful politicians can turn their attention to making real serious money by using their trashed reputation to delude the ignorant and extreme on the lecture and media circus is having a serious effect of political behaviour. There is serious money in being extreme and useless. Attlee's world this is not.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,777
    HYUFD said:

    confirmed bachelor

    LOL. This is like saying "larger than life" when you mean fat and "old school" when you mean alcoholic.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,298
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Battlebus said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mrs Burnham very trusting in her husband

    'Andy Burnham may be at his most powerful - no Cabinet positions announced, 'North Korean' levels of support among Labour MPs - but there are already tensions and jockeying for position among his most loyal allies

    * Such is the speed of coronation that Burnham has yet to decide on his living arrangements. His wife, Marie-France Van Heel, is considering staying in Manchester so she can continue her role as a marketing executive, with the couple reuniting over long weekends. One ally jokingly said Burnham could end up living a 'bachelor' lifestyle above No 11..'

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2075972223219667194?s=20

    She's assuming he won't be in the role for long, so they'll need the income.
    Hardly, even Liz Truss gets £115,000 a year Public Duty Costs Allowance and makes £16,000 an hour now as an ex PM on the speaker circuit

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/liz-truss-rakes-in-250k-in-speaking-fees-DWzgFX_2/
    It is extremely worrying to think there are people out there mad enough to pay to hear Liz Truss speak.
    I'd they're not mad before, listening to Liz might be enough to drive them so.

    As for Marie-France Van Heel, she's hardly the first Prime Ministerial spouse to have an interesting meaningful career of their own. The only difference is the rush with which Mr Burnham is Going to Westminster.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,034
    edited 7:22AM

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Battlebus said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mrs Burnham very trusting in her husband

    'Andy Burnham may be at his most powerful - no Cabinet positions announced, 'North Korean' levels of support among Labour MPs - but there are already tensions and jockeying for position among his most loyal allies

    * Such is the speed of coronation that Burnham has yet to decide on his living arrangements. His wife, Marie-France Van Heel, is considering staying in Manchester so she can continue her role as a marketing executive, with the couple reuniting over long weekends. One ally jokingly said Burnham could end up living a 'bachelor' lifestyle above No 11..'

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2075972223219667194?s=20

    She's assuming he won't be in the role for long, so they'll need the income.
    Hardly, even Liz Truss gets £115,000 a year Public Duty Costs Allowance and makes £16,000 an hour now as an ex PM on the speaker circuit

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/liz-truss-rakes-in-250k-in-speaking-fees-DWzgFX_2/
    It is extremely worrying to think there are people out there mad enough to pay to hear Liz Truss speak.
    I'd they're not mad before, listening to Liz might be enough to drive them so.

    As for Marie-France Van Heel, she's hardly the first Prime Ministerial spouse to have an interesting meaningful career of their own. The only difference is the rush with which Mr Burnham is Going to Westminster.
    Ignore, I misread the post.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,851
    algarkirk said:

    HYUFD said:

    Battlebus said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mrs Burnham very trusting in her husband

    'Andy Burnham may be at his most powerful - no Cabinet positions announced, 'North Korean' levels of support among Labour MPs - but there are already tensions and jockeying for position among his most loyal allies

    * Such is the speed of coronation that Burnham has yet to decide on his living arrangements. His wife, Marie-France Van Heel, is considering staying in Manchester so she can continue her role as a marketing executive, with the couple reuniting over long weekends. One ally jokingly said Burnham could end up living a 'bachelor' lifestyle above No 11..'

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2075972223219667194?s=20

    She's assuming he won't be in the role for long, so they'll need the income.
    Hardly, even Liz Truss gets £115,000 a year Public Duty Costs Allowance and makes £16,000 an hour now as an ex PM on the speaker circuit

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/liz-truss-rakes-in-250k-in-speaking-fees-DWzgFX_2/
    The fact that even dismally awful politicians can turn their attention to making real serious money by using their trashed reputation to delude the ignorant and extreme on the lecture and media circus is having a serious effect of political behaviour. There is serious money in being extreme and useless. Attlee's world this is not.
    That will give Farage some comfort in these difficult times....
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,751
    viewcode said:

    Cookie said:

    Turned on the telly and realised we're on ITV.

    Well, it was a good run I suppose.

    The curse of ITV is a myth.
    Told you.

    Thank goodness.

    I will not have to listen to Sam Matterface and Lee Dixon commentate on another England match for the rest of the tournament.
    I'd be interested in the views of our resident statistician - but for about 25 years (roughly 1995-2020) the performances on ITV seemed to be consistently awful. It wasn't just win/lose, it was that the wins in ITV were unconvincing 2-0s against tiny Carribbean nations; the losses on BBC were creditable performances against Brazil and the losses on ITV were abject capitulations against Iceland.
    I don't believe it was a curse - but it was a very strong correlation.
    But over the last five years or so the pattern seems to uave gone away.
    https://metro.co.uk/2026/06/17/englands-itv-curse-real-three-lions-record-bbc-itv-ahead-world-cup-opener-2-28800845/

    Convert it into a 2x2 table thus:

    Channel Win Lose/Draw Total
    ITV 10 23 33
    BBC 21 09 30
    Total 31 32 63

    Then feed those numbers into a chi-square 2x2 online calculator. I used this one and Fisher's exact test and it gave me the following:

    https://www.graphpad.com/quickcalcs/contingency1/

    The results were
    • Fisher's exact test
    • The two-tailed P value equals 0.0024
    • The association between rows (groups) and columns (outcomes) is considered to be very statistically significant.
    Trying another one and chi-square gives us the following

    https://www.socscistatistics.com/tests/chisquare/calculator/

    Results:
    • χ² = 9.9078
    • df = 1
    • p-value = 0.001646
    • Cramér's V = 0.3966
    • So the difference between groups is significant and the association is moderate
    Result: Statistically Significant
    • There IS a statistically significant association between the variables (p = 0.0016).
    • At the 0.05 significance level, we reject the null hypothesis of independence. The two categorical variables appear to be related.
    • The effect size (Cramér's V = 0.397) suggests a moderate association.
    • Remember: Statistical significance doesn't necessarily mean practical importance. Consider the effect size and real-world context.
    So yes, the curse of ITV exists, but it's not a big curse. Kind of "you will have a shitty job" instead of "you will be unemployed for ever and your willy will drop off"

    Of course, kids today would have to write a bloody program and do ten thousand iterations, wheras I just googled for a calculator and did it in under five minutes. Also of course I could have asked an AI, but cut me some slack it's gone midnight. If I've made a mistake I'm sure some kind person will point it out, so apologies in advance

    :)
    Thanks Viewcode. I knew it. I reckon if you were to further rank the results by quality (e.g. a 2-0 win over T&T shouldn't really go in the win column) you'd have got an even better curse. When I uninformedly tell people the results are significant I get told " no they aren't" by people who really mean "I cannot conceive any possible causal link". Which isn't the same thing. Not least because if it were a curse then of course you wouldn't; curses are by their nature magical.
    To be clear, I don't believe in a curse. But I also don't believe in dismissing statistical evidence because the results don't fit my preconceived ideas.

    I suspect once you take 2026 results into account the curse goes away. Perhaps the curse of ITV is simply now "you will be cursed by having to endure the views of a permanently angry Irishman".
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,669
    Battlebus said:

    Taz said:
    How soon before someone says they've been talking to him.
    Mitch McConnell spoke to him for 20 minutes this morning
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,751

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Battlebus said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mrs Burnham very trusting in her husband

    'Andy Burnham may be at his most powerful - no Cabinet positions announced, 'North Korean' levels of support among Labour MPs - but there are already tensions and jockeying for position among his most loyal allies

    * Such is the speed of coronation that Burnham has yet to decide on his living arrangements. His wife, Marie-France Van Heel, is considering staying in Manchester so she can continue her role as a marketing executive, with the couple reuniting over long weekends. One ally jokingly said Burnham could end up living a 'bachelor' lifestyle above No 11..'

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2075972223219667194?s=20

    She's assuming he won't be in the role for long, so they'll need the income.
    Hardly, even Liz Truss gets £115,000 a year Public Duty Costs Allowance and makes £16,000 an hour now as an ex PM on the speaker circuit

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/liz-truss-rakes-in-250k-in-speaking-fees-DWzgFX_2/
    It is extremely worrying to think there are people out there mad enough to pay to hear Liz Truss speak.
    I'd they're not mad before, listening to Liz might be enough to drive them so.

    As for Marie-France Van Heel, she's hardly the first Prime Ministerial spouse to have an interesting meaningful career of their own. The only difference is the rush with which Mr Burnham is Going to Westminster.
    I thought MFVH was in advertising?
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