From the ABC News Chief Washington correspondent: .
Pres Trump told me tonight the US had identified possible candidates to take over Iran, but they were killed in the initial attack.
"The attack was so successful it knocked out most of the candidates," Trump told me. "It's not going to be anybody that we were thinking of because they are all dead. Second or third place is dead."
I feel like Israel might be responsible for that, with its intelligence. Trump might have wanted a nice speedy takeover with most of the state aparatus intact, Israel might have a very different vision.
Same with Gaza. Hard for America to negotiate if everyone they talk to is killed.
You don't need much in the way of negotiations to say "we surrender".
Gaza did it. Iran should too. Even if it takes Gaza style destruction in Iran, whatever it takes.
Iran and Gaza are orders of magnitude apart. The scale of what you suggest is insane, when you consider what level of commitment it took in Gaza.
Bartholomew is the most ill informed poster on here. The number of his posts are in inverse proportion to his knowledge. Iran is twice the area of Pakistan It's population is 50x that of Gaza.
So frigging what?
Iran is the cause behind the instability across the Middle East, behind Hamas, and behind Hezbollah.
It is long since time for the Mullahs to be destroyed.
We managed to defeat the Nazis, we managed to defeat Imperial Japan. Give me one damn reason why the Mullahs can't be defeated.
Whatever it takes, we don't need "peace", we need victory.
You're talking about millions of deaths and you're treating it as a 'so frigging what?', even if it was something to be considered the atittude is parody levels of silliness.
Even beyond the human basic moral standpoint from a practical point of view it would also be in the order of about 10m refugees, maybe 1-2m to Europe and 100-200k extra coming to the UK.
From the ABC News Chief Washington correspondent: .
Pres Trump told me tonight the US had identified possible candidates to take over Iran, but they were killed in the initial attack.
"The attack was so successful it knocked out most of the candidates," Trump told me. "It's not going to be anybody that we were thinking of because they are all dead. Second or third place is dead."
I feel like Israel might be responsible for that, with its intelligence. Trump might have wanted a nice speedy takeover with most of the state aparatus intact, Israel might have a very different vision.
Same with Gaza. Hard for America to negotiate if everyone they talk to is killed.
You don't need much in the way of negotiations to say "we surrender".
Gaza did it. Iran should too. Even if it takes Gaza style destruction in Iran, whatever it takes.
Iran and Gaza are orders of magnitude apart. The scale of what you suggest is insane, when you consider what level of commitment it took in Gaza.
Bartholomew is the most ill informed poster on here. The number of his posts are in inverse proportion to his knowledge. Iran is twice the area of Pakistan It's population is 50x that of Gaza.
So frigging what?
Iran is the cause behind the instability across the Middle East, behind Hamas, and behind Hezbollah.
It is long since time for the Mullahs to be destroyed.
We managed to defeat the Nazis, we managed to defeat Imperial Japan. Give me one damn reason why the Mullahs can't be defeated.
Whatever it takes, we don't need "peace", we need victory.
You're talking about millions of deaths and you're treating it as a 'so frigging what?', even if it was something to be considered the atittude is parody levels of silliness.
Even beyond the human basic moral standpoint from a practical point of view it would also be in the order of about 10m refugees, maybe 1-2m to Europe and 100-200k extra coming to the UK.
Long-term eliminating the Mullahs and the evil they spread via Hamas and Hezbollah etc will result in far fewer.
It is a victory worth seeking.
In what world does killing 5m mostly civilians lead to more peace in the generations to follow? Have you ever considered history?
To be fair, the ethnic cleansing of minorities (not just German) in Europe, at the end of and post WWII, probably killed that many people.
Tidying up the people to match the new borders.
Not sure that’s quite the moral standard we are looking for, though.
From the ABC News Chief Washington correspondent: .
Pres Trump told me tonight the US had identified possible candidates to take over Iran, but they were killed in the initial attack.
"The attack was so successful it knocked out most of the candidates," Trump told me. "It's not going to be anybody that we were thinking of because they are all dead. Second or third place is dead."
I feel like Israel might be responsible for that, with its intelligence. Trump might have wanted a nice speedy takeover with most of the state aparatus intact, Israel might have a very different vision.
Same with Gaza. Hard for America to negotiate if everyone they talk to is killed.
You don't need much in the way of negotiations to say "we surrender".
Gaza did it. Iran should too. Even if it takes Gaza style destruction in Iran, whatever it takes.
Iran and Gaza are orders of magnitude apart. The scale of what you suggest is insane, when you consider what level of commitment it took in Gaza.
Bartholomew is the most ill informed poster on here. The number of his posts are in inverse proportion to his knowledge. Iran is twice the area of Pakistan It's population is 50x that of Gaza.
So frigging what?
Iran is the cause behind the instability across the Middle East, behind Hamas, and behind Hezbollah.
It is long since time for the Mullahs to be destroyed.
We managed to defeat the Nazis, we managed to defeat Imperial Japan. Give me one damn reason why the Mullahs can't be defeated.
Whatever it takes, we don't need "peace", we need victory.
You're talking about millions of deaths and you're treating it as a 'so frigging what?', even if it was something to be considered the atittude is parody levels of silliness.
I doubt it will take millions of deaths for Iran to surrender.
You lot talked about defeating Hamas as being "two million" deaths, and it took a small fraction of that - and that was when Hamas had Iran behind them, supporting them.
Iran has nobody behind them, nobody supporting them, as they have rapidly realised. It should not take anywhere near as much to break them, once the money dries up and the IRGC leadership realise they're both going to die and not getting paid, then I expect a military coup and surrender before long.
Either way though, in war victory is more important than peace. Which is why war should be a last resort, but that last resort is upon us. A false peace benefits nobody.
Not sure who you lot is but the population of Gaza is two million. Well was, now it is 5% less from deaths.
From the ABC News Chief Washington correspondent: .
Pres Trump told me tonight the US had identified possible candidates to take over Iran, but they were killed in the initial attack.
"The attack was so successful it knocked out most of the candidates," Trump told me. "It's not going to be anybody that we were thinking of because they are all dead. Second or third place is dead."
I feel like Israel might be responsible for that, with its intelligence. Trump might have wanted a nice speedy takeover with most of the state aparatus intact, Israel might have a very different vision.
Same with Gaza. Hard for America to negotiate if everyone they talk to is killed.
You don't need much in the way of negotiations to say "we surrender".
Gaza did it. Iran should too. Even if it takes Gaza style destruction in Iran, whatever it takes.
Iran and Gaza are orders of magnitude apart. The scale of what you suggest is insane, when you consider what level of commitment it took in Gaza.
Bartholomew is the most ill informed poster on here. The number of his posts are in inverse proportion to his knowledge. Iran is twice the area of Pakistan It's population is 50x that of Gaza.
So frigging what?
Iran is the cause behind the instability across the Middle East, behind Hamas, and behind Hezbollah.
It is long since time for the Mullahs to be destroyed.
We managed to defeat the Nazis, we managed to defeat Imperial Japan. Give me one damn reason why the Mullahs can't be defeated.
Whatever it takes, we don't need "peace", we need victory.
You're talking about millions of deaths and you're treating it as a 'so frigging what?', even if it was something to be considered the atittude is parody levels of silliness.
I doubt it will take millions of deaths for Iran to surrender.
You lot talked about defeating Hamas as being "two million" deaths, and it took a small fraction of that - and that was when Hamas had Iran behind them, supporting them.
Iran has nobody behind them, nobody supporting them, as they have rapidly realised. It should not take anywhere near as much to break them, once the money dries up and the IRGC leadership realise they're both going to die and not getting paid, then I expect a military coup and surrender before long.
Either way though, in war victory is more important than peace. Which is why war should be a last resort, but that last resort is upon us. A false peace benefits nobody.
Not sure who you lot is but the population of Gaza is two million. Well was, now it is 5% less from deaths.
Lots of people on this site kept saying defeating Hamas would take two million deaths, which was absurd, it was never going to take every last person being killed before Hamas surrendered.
And after a tiny fraction of that, Hamas did surrender. Good.
But Hamas are the puppets, Iran are the puppeteers. It is long-past time to cut out the evil at source. Kill every head of the hydra, destroy it, and see a free Persia and a more benign Middle East arise after it is vanquished.
This is pathetic. By all means make a case for things but describing 5% of a population being killed as a tiny fraction is genuinely pathetic. You are better than that.
Ffs Akrotiri under attack again. Requires military retaliation by Britain
Not according to the Lib Dem’s. Ed Davey doesn’t want us dragged into a war by Trump.
And Ed Davey would be right.
I think it appropriate his parties colour is yellow.
Our bases are under attack in Cyprus. We have to take defensive action.
Absolutely. The sovereign base areas are populated by families and local workers, not just military personnel. British citizens and territory are under active attack.
And a MAGA religion one. A white evangelical Pastor (Rt Rev Robert Schenk) who had run an organisation aiming to place Supreme Court judges in place who were against abortion, going back to the Reagan supporting Christian Right, and how the appearance of Donald Trump as Guest of Honour at Pat Robertson's 80th birthday ("they were both in the billionaires club after Robertson sold his TV station") in 2011 eventually lead him to question his movement.
He is interviewed on a podcast called "Native Land Pod" (which is black evangelical, essentially, afaics - it is a new one on me) about how came to his "Road to Damascus".
Shes excellent and never forgot where she came from too.
I’m watching a Taggart from 1994 at the moment. I’ll watch it after that.
Cracking Ford Sierra action,
I'm coming to the end of my Sweeney re-watch. Ford Granadas back in the mid-1970s, with Carter sometimes relegated to a Cortina. Villains drove Jags. I'd imagine this was partly because Ford supplied free cars provided only the good guys used them. There again, 60s villains really did favour the Mark 2 Jaguar.
Pointless anecdata: I was at the launch of the Ford Sierra in London's docklands after the docks closed and before the bankers moved in.
I misread that as your Swinney rewatch. Throwback to a similar era.
And a MAGA religion one. A white evangelical Pastor (Rt Rev Robert Schenk) who had run an organisation aiming to place Supreme Court judges in place who were against abortion, going back to the Reagan supporting Christian Right, and how the appearance of Donald Trump as Guest of Honour at Pat Robertson's 80th birthday ("they were both in the billionaires club after Robertson sold his TV station") in 2011 eventually lead him to question his movement.
He is interviewed on a podcast called "Native Land Pod" (which is black evangelical, essentially, afaics - it is a new one on me) about how came to his "Road to Damascus".
Shes excellent and never forgot where she came from too.
I’m watching a Taggart from 1994 at the moment. I’ll watch it after that.
Cracking Ford Sierra action,
I'm coming to the end of my Sweeney re-watch. Ford Granadas back in the mid-1970s, with Carter sometimes relegated to a Cortina. Villains drove Jags. I'd imagine this was partly because Ford supplied free cars provided only the good guys used them. There again, 60s villains really did favour the Mark 2 Jaguar.
Pointless anecdata: I was at the launch of the Ford Sierra in London's docklands after the docks closed and before the bankers moved in.
I’m halfway through season 2. Just watched Hit and Run where Carters wife was killed off. Supposedly because Stephanie Turner was after some money from the producers.
I don’t know about the sweeney but after the early Professionals episodes Ford supplied the cars and the lads drove a great Capri.
I suspect the Sweeney villains drove old jags as they were cheap and always going to be totalled in a car chase.
About to order the Blu Ray of season 3
The whole lot (of The Sweeney) can be streamed from ITVx that might give better quality. Tbh although it was high quality at the time, being shot on film and on location, when judged against modern standards some of it is quite poor.
From the ABC News Chief Washington correspondent: .
Pres Trump told me tonight the US had identified possible candidates to take over Iran, but they were killed in the initial attack.
"The attack was so successful it knocked out most of the candidates," Trump told me. "It's not going to be anybody that we were thinking of because they are all dead. Second or third place is dead."
I feel like Israel might be responsible for that, with its intelligence. Trump might have wanted a nice speedy takeover with most of the state aparatus intact, Israel might have a very different vision.
Same with Gaza. Hard for America to negotiate if everyone they talk to is killed.
You don't need much in the way of negotiations to say "we surrender".
Gaza did it. Iran should too. Even if it takes Gaza style destruction in Iran, whatever it takes.
Iran and Gaza are orders of magnitude apart. The scale of what you suggest is insane, when you consider what level of commitment it took in Gaza.
Bartholomew is the most ill informed poster on here. The number of his posts are in inverse proportion to his knowledge. Iran is twice the area of Pakistan It's population is 50x that of Gaza.
So frigging what?
Iran is the cause behind the instability across the Middle East, behind Hamas, and behind Hezbollah.
It is long since time for the Mullahs to be destroyed.
We managed to defeat the Nazis, we managed to defeat Imperial Japan. Give me one damn reason why the Mullahs can't be defeated.
Whatever it takes, we don't need "peace", we need victory.
You're talking about millions of deaths and you're treating it as a 'so frigging what?', even if it was something to be considered the atittude is parody levels of silliness.
I doubt it will take millions of deaths for Iran to surrender.
You lot talked about defeating Hamas as being "two million" deaths, and it took a small fraction of that - and that was when Hamas had Iran behind them, supporting them.
Iran has nobody behind them, nobody supporting them, as they have rapidly realised. It should not take anywhere near as much to break them, once the money dries up and the IRGC leadership realise they're both going to die and not getting paid, then I expect a military coup and surrender before long.
Either way though, in war victory is more important than peace. Which is why war should be a last resort, but that last resort is upon us. A false peace benefits nobody.
Not sure who you lot is but the population of Gaza is two million. Well was, now it is 5% less from deaths.
From the ABC News Chief Washington correspondent: .
Pres Trump told me tonight the US had identified possible candidates to take over Iran, but they were killed in the initial attack.
"The attack was so successful it knocked out most of the candidates," Trump told me. "It's not going to be anybody that we were thinking of because they are all dead. Second or third place is dead."
I feel like Israel might be responsible for that, with its intelligence. Trump might have wanted a nice speedy takeover with most of the state aparatus intact, Israel might have a very different vision.
Same with Gaza. Hard for America to negotiate if everyone they talk to is killed.
You don't need much in the way of negotiations to say "we surrender".
Gaza did it. Iran should too. Even if it takes Gaza style destruction in Iran, whatever it takes.
Iran and Gaza are orders of magnitude apart. The scale of what you suggest is insane, when you consider what level of commitment it took in Gaza.
Bartholomew is the most ill informed poster on here. The number of his posts are in inverse proportion to his knowledge. Iran is twice the area of Pakistan It's population is 50x that of Gaza.
So frigging what?
Iran is the cause behind the instability across the Middle East, behind Hamas, and behind Hezbollah.
It is long since time for the Mullahs to be destroyed.
We managed to defeat the Nazis, we managed to defeat Imperial Japan. Give me one damn reason why the Mullahs can't be defeated.
Whatever it takes, we don't need "peace", we need victory.
You're talking about millions of deaths and you're treating it as a 'so frigging what?', even if it was something to be considered the atittude is parody levels of silliness.
I doubt it will take millions of deaths for Iran to surrender.
You lot talked about defeating Hamas as being "two million" deaths, and it took a small fraction of that - and that was when Hamas had Iran behind them, supporting them.
Iran has nobody behind them, nobody supporting them, as they have rapidly realised. It should not take anywhere near as much to break them, once the money dries up and the IRGC leadership realise they're both going to die and not getting paid, then I expect a military coup and surrender before long.
Either way though, in war victory is more important than peace. Which is why war should be a last resort, but that last resort is upon us. A false peace benefits nobody.
Not sure who you lot is but the population of Gaza is two million. Well was, now it is 5% less from deaths.
Lots of people on this site kept saying defeating Hamas would take two million deaths, which was absurd, it was never going to take every last person being killed before Hamas surrendered.
And after a tiny fraction of that, Hamas did surrender. Good.
But Hamas are the puppets, Iran are the puppeteers. It is long-past time to cut out the evil at source. Kill every head of the hydra, destroy it, and see a free Persia and a more benign Middle East arise after it is vanquished.
This is pathetic. By all means make a case for things but describing 5% of a population being killed as a tiny fraction is genuinely pathetic. You are better than that.
I'm sorry, but if you are going to bang on about two million deaths then the reality is 3.5% of that, then yes it is a tiny fraction of what was claimed.
People die in war. It sucks. That's why it should be a last resort. But when that last resort arrives, then fighting for victory is the right thing to do - even if that means people die in the process.
And a MAGA religion one. A white evangelical Pastor (Rt Rev Robert Schenk) who had run an organisation aiming to place Supreme Court judges in place who were against abortion, going back to the Reagan supporting Christian Right, and how the appearance of Donald Trump as Guest of Honour at Pat Robertson's 80th birthday ("they were both in the billionaires club after Robertson sold his TV station") in 2011 eventually lead him to question his movement.
He is interviewed on a podcast called "Native Land Pod" (which is black evangelical, essentially, afaics - it is a new one on me) about how came to his "Road to Damascus".
Shes excellent and never forgot where she came from too.
I’m watching a Taggart from 1994 at the moment. I’ll watch it after that.
Cracking Ford Sierra action,
I'm coming to the end of my Sweeney re-watch. Ford Granadas back in the mid-1970s, with Carter sometimes relegated to a Cortina. Villains drove Jags. I'd imagine this was partly because Ford supplied free cars provided only the good guys used them. There again, 60s villains really did favour the Mark 2 Jaguar.
Pointless anecdata: I was at the launch of the Ford Sierra in London's docklands after the docks closed and before the bankers moved in.
I’m halfway through season 2. Just watched Hit and Run where Carters wife was killed off. Supposedly because Stephanie Turner was after some money from the producers.
I don’t know about the sweeney but after the early Professionals episodes Ford supplied the cars and the lads drove a great Capri.
I suspect the Sweeney villains drove old jags as they were cheap and always going to be totalled in a car chase.
About to order the Blu Ray of season 3
Ford also supplied the baddies cars too which were invariably used S type Jags and Triumph 2000s. Ford didn't want bad guys behind the blue oval ( although a few Transits were used). I understand the S type used in the title sequence was crashed through cardboard box walls in several episodes. Carter's wife is run down by Dr Who's Morris Marina. For real car geeks I believe Regan's first Granada was not designated Granada, but a Ford Consul GT.
I really hate Sky News when we have incidents like this. Everytime they are the same.
They had some British woman who is stuck in UAE and it was absolutely come on, UK government is crap isn't it, well no they have done ok, come on though, you must have a message for the foreign office, you have been trapped there with no date when you will leave, well its difficult situation I don't think they can say much more as it situation is changing day by day, but come on i want a gotcha headline that says foreign nationals trapped abroad failed by government....
Yeah they can all F. Off.
Are they expecting the SAS to pick them up from the hotel they’re currently staying in for free?
Listening to the news on greatest hits radio yesterday they were focussing on a couple of people from Manchester who had their flight cancelled on the second article and were going through the trauma of working out another route.
Well those of us who live here are continuing pretty much as usual (albeit WFH today), and everywhere’s open as usual except for a couple of theme parks.
They should sit back, relax, and order another cocktail by the pool. There’s much worse places in the world to be stuck for a few days.
And a MAGA religion one. A white evangelical Pastor (Rt Rev Robert Schenk) who had run an organisation aiming to place Supreme Court judges in place who were against abortion, going back to the Reagan supporting Christian Right, and how the appearance of Donald Trump as Guest of Honour at Pat Robertson's 80th birthday ("they were both in the billionaires club after Robertson sold his TV station") in 2011 eventually lead him to question his movement.
He is interviewed on a podcast called "Native Land Pod" (which is black evangelical, essentially, afaics - it is a new one on me) about how came to his "Road to Damascus".
Shes excellent and never forgot where she came from too.
I’m watching a Taggart from 1994 at the moment. I’ll watch it after that.
Cracking Ford Sierra action,
I'm coming to the end of my Sweeney re-watch. Ford Granadas back in the mid-1970s, with Carter sometimes relegated to a Cortina. Villains drove Jags. I'd imagine this was partly because Ford supplied free cars provided only the good guys used them. There again, 60s villains really did favour the Mark 2 Jaguar.
Pointless anecdata: I was at the launch of the Ford Sierra in London's docklands after the docks closed and before the bankers moved in.
I’m halfway through season 2. Just watched Hit and Run where Carters wife was killed off. Supposedly because Stephanie Turner was after some money from the producers.
I don’t know about the sweeney but after the early Professionals episodes Ford supplied the cars and the lads drove a great Capri.
I suspect the Sweeney villains drove old jags as they were cheap and always going to be totalled in a car chase.
About to order the Blu Ray of season 3
Ford also supplied the baddies cars too which were invariably used S type Jags and Triumph 2000s. Ford didn't want bad guys behind the blue oval ( although a few Transits were used) I understand the S type used in the title sequence was crashed through cardboard box walls in several episodes. Carter's wife is run down by Dr Who's Morris Marina. For real car geeks I believe Regan's first Granada was not designated Granada, but a Ford Consul GT.
Yes, Ford dropped the Consul badge they'd used for the bottom of the Granada range.
I wonder whether the people who are so pusillanimous here and view "victory" as a foul word would have been the same in WWII when we were fighting the Nazis? How dare we be fighting for victory?
The Mullahs are an evil that needs defeating. Now is the time to press for victory and see them eliminated once and for all.
War should be a last resort, but when war comes, fighting for victory is the right thing to do.
I really hate Sky News when we have incidents like this. Everytime they are the same.
They had some British woman who is stuck in UAE and it was absolutely come on, UK government is crap isn't it, well no they have done ok, come on though, you must have a message for the foreign office, you have been trapped there with no date when you will leave, well its difficult situation I don't think they can say much more as it situation is changing day by day, but come on i want a gotcha headline that says foreign nationals trapped abroad failed by government....
If god forbid we ever do get an escalation to a nuclear crisis at some point, I dread to think quite how the media will behave.
Imagine the Starmer response. "The nuclear devastation of the United Kingdom is clearly illegal, and I have therefore commenced preliminary legal proceedings against the (allegedly) guilty party."
From the ABC News Chief Washington correspondent: .
Pres Trump told me tonight the US had identified possible candidates to take over Iran, but they were killed in the initial attack.
"The attack was so successful it knocked out most of the candidates," Trump told me. "It's not going to be anybody that we were thinking of because they are all dead. Second or third place is dead."
I feel like Israel might be responsible for that, with its intelligence. Trump might have wanted a nice speedy takeover with most of the state aparatus intact, Israel might have a very different vision.
Same with Gaza. Hard for America to negotiate if everyone they talk to is killed.
You don't need much in the way of negotiations to say "we surrender".
Gaza did it. Iran should too. Even if it takes Gaza style destruction in Iran, whatever it takes.
Iran and Gaza are orders of magnitude apart. The scale of what you suggest is insane, when you consider what level of commitment it took in Gaza.
Bartholomew is the most ill informed poster on here. The number of his posts are in inverse proportion to his knowledge. Iran is twice the area of Pakistan It's population is 50x that of Gaza.
So frigging what?
Iran is the cause behind the instability across the Middle East, behind Hamas, and behind Hezbollah.
It is long since time for the Mullahs to be destroyed.
We managed to defeat the Nazis, we managed to defeat Imperial Japan. Give me one damn reason why the Mullahs can't be defeated.
Whatever it takes, we don't need "peace", we need victory.
You're talking about millions of deaths and you're treating it as a 'so frigging what?', even if it was something to be considered the atittude is parody levels of silliness.
I doubt it will take millions of deaths for Iran to surrender.
You lot talked about defeating Hamas as being "two million" deaths, and it took a small fraction of that - and that was when Hamas had Iran behind them, supporting them.
Iran has nobody behind them, nobody supporting them, as they have rapidly realised. It should not take anywhere near as much to break them, once the money dries up and the IRGC leadership realise they're both going to die and not getting paid, then I expect a military coup and surrender before long.
Either way though, in war victory is more important than peace. Which is why war should be a last resort, but that last resort is upon us. A false peace benefits nobody.
Not sure who you lot is but the population of Gaza is two million. Well was, now it is 5% less from deaths.
From the ABC News Chief Washington correspondent: .
Pres Trump told me tonight the US had identified possible candidates to take over Iran, but they were killed in the initial attack.
"The attack was so successful it knocked out most of the candidates," Trump told me. "It's not going to be anybody that we were thinking of because they are all dead. Second or third place is dead."
I feel like Israel might be responsible for that, with its intelligence. Trump might have wanted a nice speedy takeover with most of the state aparatus intact, Israel might have a very different vision.
Same with Gaza. Hard for America to negotiate if everyone they talk to is killed.
You don't need much in the way of negotiations to say "we surrender".
Gaza did it. Iran should too. Even if it takes Gaza style destruction in Iran, whatever it takes.
Iran and Gaza are orders of magnitude apart. The scale of what you suggest is insane, when you consider what level of commitment it took in Gaza.
Bartholomew is the most ill informed poster on here. The number of his posts are in inverse proportion to his knowledge. Iran is twice the area of Pakistan It's population is 50x that of Gaza.
So frigging what?
Iran is the cause behind the instability across the Middle East, behind Hamas, and behind Hezbollah.
It is long since time for the Mullahs to be destroyed.
We managed to defeat the Nazis, we managed to defeat Imperial Japan. Give me one damn reason why the Mullahs can't be defeated.
Whatever it takes, we don't need "peace", we need victory.
You're talking about millions of deaths and you're treating it as a 'so frigging what?', even if it was something to be considered the atittude is parody levels of silliness.
I doubt it will take millions of deaths for Iran to surrender.
You lot talked about defeating Hamas as being "two million" deaths, and it took a small fraction of that - and that was when Hamas had Iran behind them, supporting them.
Iran has nobody behind them, nobody supporting them, as they have rapidly realised. It should not take anywhere near as much to break them, once the money dries up and the IRGC leadership realise they're both going to die and not getting paid, then I expect a military coup and surrender before long.
Either way though, in war victory is more important than peace. Which is why war should be a last resort, but that last resort is upon us. A false peace benefits nobody.
Not sure who you lot is but the population of Gaza is two million. Well was, now it is 5% less from deaths.
Lots of people on this site kept saying defeating Hamas would take two million deaths, which was absurd, it was never going to take every last person being killed before Hamas surrendered.
And after a tiny fraction of that, Hamas did surrender. Good.
But Hamas are the puppets, Iran are the puppeteers. It is long-past time to cut out the evil at source. Kill every head of the hydra, destroy it, and see a free Persia and a more benign Middle East arise after it is vanquished.
This is pathetic. By all means make a case for things but describing 5% of a population being killed as a tiny fraction is genuinely pathetic. You are better than that.
I'm sorry, but if you are going to bang on about two million deaths then the reality is 3.5% of that, then yes it is a tiny fraction of what was claimed.
People die in war. It sucks. That's why it should be a last resort. But when that last resort arrives, then fighting for victory is the right thing to do - even if that means people die in the process.
What was the big announcement. I had more important things to do. Sending an EVRI parcel
Thoughts and prayers at this difficult time.
Sending an EVRI parcel isn't that difficult, surely?
Sending is fairly easy, as long as you're not invested in what happens next.
Anecdata suggests you're correct. I ordered some flowers to be delivered to a relative on the 1st anniversary of a death. It's with Evri; delivery expected between 1900 and 2100. I'm not very happy about that.
I suspect Netanyahu and Huckerbee have been the masterminds behind this entire enterprise. Doesn't Huckerbee want the entire biblical Middle East to be a single Judaist-Christian homeland?
I really hate Sky News when we have incidents like this. Everytime they are the same.
They had some British woman who is stuck in UAE and it was absolutely come on, UK government is crap isn't it, well no they have done ok, come on though, you must have a message for the foreign office, you have been trapped there with no date when you will leave, well its difficult situation I don't think they can say much more as it situation is changing day by day, but come on i want a gotcha headline that says foreign nationals trapped abroad failed by government....
Yeah they can all F. Off.
Are they expecting the SAS to pick them up from the hotel they’re currently staying in for free?
Listening to the news on greatest hits radio yesterday they were focussing on a couple of people from Manchester who had their flight cancelled on the second article and were going through the trauma of working out another route.
Well those of us who live here are continuing pretty much as usual (albeit WFH today), and everywhere’s open as usual except for a couple of theme parks.
They should sit back, relax, and order another cocktail by the pool. There’s much worse places in the world to be stuck for a few days.
Don’t worry, Sandpit. Barty is on his way to protect you, and he’s fully tooled up.
I suspect Netanyahu and Huckerbee have been the masterminds behind this entire enterprise. Doesn't Huckerbee want the entire biblical Middle East to be a single Judaist-Christian homeland?
Yes. He saw the 3000 year old contract with God apparently.
I suspect Netanyahu and Huckerbee have been the masterminds behind this entire enterprise. Doesn't Huckerbee want the entire biblical Middle East to be a single Judaist-Christian homeland?
Yes. He saw the 3000 year old contract with God apparently.
3000 years? That’s nearly as long as North Ayrshire Council’s PFI contracts!
Stock market taken a big hit. That should wipe the smile off Trumps face.
We're all capable of checking your statement and seeing that it is wrong.
So why bother even making it.
My shares are down £11,000 since Friday which would have bought me 5 nights at the Hotel du Cap. To you it might be nothing.
I'll have a whip round with my teaching assistants.
Did we do a whip for the Russians on the Côte d'Azur who were reduced to glumness by the Ukraine War - our correspondent told us the mood in several hotels was down due to the seizure of yachts.
Carter's wife is run down by Dr Who's Morris Marina.
In "The Sweeney" series 2 episode 5 episode "Hit and Run" which aired on Sep 29, 1975, the character of "Reg Crofts" (the killer of Carter's wife) is played by Patrick Troughton, who also played the Second Doctor in "Doctor Who"
I really hate Sky News when we have incidents like this. Everytime they are the same.
They had some British woman who is stuck in UAE and it was absolutely come on, UK government is crap isn't it, well no they have done ok, come on though, you must have a message for the foreign office, you have been trapped there with no date when you will leave, well its difficult situation I don't think they can say much more as it situation is changing day by day, but come on i want a gotcha headline that says foreign nationals trapped abroad failed by government....
If god forbid we ever do get an escalation to a nuclear crisis at some point, I dread to think quite how the media will behave.
Imagine the Starmer response. "The nuclear devastation of the United Kingdom is clearly illegal, and I have therefore commenced preliminary legal proceedings against the (allegedly) guilty party."
So he wouldn’t get to the vital question, that I’ve asked repeatedly -
If Slough is turned into a radioactive wasteland inhabited by mutant cannibal zombies, who pays the CGT on the uplift in commercial property?
Anyone know if there's anything behind these "credible stories" ?
Credible stories beginning to emerge that Israel pre-empted the strikes on Iran to catch the leadership napping, and that US claims they had warning of a pre-emptive Iranian attack are not true. Trump is now trying to recapture the narrative but it may be unravelling for him. 1/5 https://x.com/gregbagwell/status/2028408105302712422
I mean, it's credible as in 'credible scenario', but is there any actual evidence for it ?
I suspect Netanyahu and Huckerbee have been the masterminds behind this entire enterprise. Doesn't Huckerbee want the entire biblical Middle East to be a single Judaist-Christian homeland?
Yes. He saw the 3000 year old contract with God apparently.
3000 years? That’s nearly as long as North Ayrshire Council’s PFI contracts!
Is it not the current target date for the SNP to close the poverty related attainment gap in education?
Carter's wife is run down by Dr Who's Morris Marina.
In "The Sweeney" series 2 episode 5 episode "Hit and Run" which aired on Sep 29, 1975, the character of "Reg Crofts" (the killer of Carter's wife) is played by Patrick Troughton, who also played the Second Doctor in "Doctor Who"
I suspect Netanyahu and Huckerbee have been the masterminds behind this entire enterprise. Doesn't Huckerbee want the entire biblical Middle East to be a single Judaist-Christian homeland?
A significant strand of thinking on the American right has for decades argued for the reshaping of the ME by force. It is worth bearing that in mind when we see the current scenes - in Trump they have found someone trigger happy enough to go for it (and a conveniently distracted Russia) but this is just the culmination of something they’ve been after for years. Iraq was the first step. If that war hadn’t turned into such an unpopular quagmire Iran would have followed much quicker than today.
Try watching it. It doesn't take you five minutes to see whether it has a slant. It my opinion it's most comprehensive News Services around . It is not about editorialising. Take a look
My investment portfolio is taking a pounding harder than Tehran. Hopefully just a blip.
All mine is in my DC pension pot, which actually is showing as an all time high right now ! USD has strengthened against GBP a bit which should take the edge off too as I'm basically in global and tech trackers.
My investment portfolio is taking a pounding harder than Tehran. Hopefully just a blip.
I wouldn't ever wish you and your loved ones to live under the threat of arial bombardment, but if you did you perhaps wouldn't make crass comments like this.
Try watching it. It doesn't take you five minutes to see whether it has a slant. It my opinion it's most comprehensive News Services around . It is not about editorialising. Take a look
Stock market taken a big hit. That should wipe the smile off Trumps face.
We're all capable of checking your statement and seeing that it is wrong.
So why bother even making it.
PB Trumpers getting very heated at PB Trump war sceptics.
Its revealing that anyone who points out inconvenient facts are 'PB Trumpers' in your view.
Check today's FTSE.
less than 1% , nothing to be concerned about and nobody should have all their pf in the FTSE, mine has not moved and is up significantly this year overall.
Try watching it. It doesn't take you five minutes to see whether it has a slant. It my opinion it's most comprehensive News Services around . It is not about editorialising. Take a look
Try watching it. It doesn't take you five minutes to see whether it has a slant. It my opinion it's most comprehensive News Services around . It is not about editorialising. Take a look
Anyone know if there's anything behind these "credible stories" ?
Credible stories beginning to emerge that Israel pre-empted the strikes on Iran to catch the leadership napping, and that US claims they had warning of a pre-emptive Iranian attack are not true. Trump is now trying to recapture the narrative but it may be unravelling for him. 1/5 https://x.com/gregbagwell/status/2028408105302712422
I mean, it's credible as in 'credible scenario', but is there any actual evidence for it ?
One oddity that struck me at the time was the attacks started on the Jewish sabbath, and I do not think America would have done that.
What was the big announcement. I had more important things to do. Sending an EVRI parcel
Thoughts and prayers at this difficult time.
Sending an EVRI parcel isn't that difficult, surely?
Sending is fairly easy, as long as you're not invested in what happens next.
Anecdata suggests you're correct. I ordered some flowers to be delivered to a relative on the 1st anniversary of a death. It's with Evri; delivery expected between 1900 and 2100. I'm not very happy about that.
A 200 year delivery window sees excessive, even by Evri's standards.
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Aljazeera Arabic is the version that contains the most pro-Qatar interests in the region / anti-Western propaganda slant.
Isn't Qatar on the receiving end of Iranian missiles, so hardly pro-Iran?
I didn't say it was, I said it was very biased. It is the mouthpiece of the Qatar government, particularly the Arabic version, when it comes to regional politics.
The immediate evidence, however, is that this is the least popular US military intervention in history. Only one in four Americans supports these strikes, when normally a President can expect at least 50-60% support for military action at the start from the American people (and usually much more than this). I cannot think of any other decision to start the use military force that comes close to the lack of support for these strikes. It might explain his desperation. Trump started this to have a win for him, but starting it as he has, he has made getting that win very difficult. It could lead him to get desperate.
Over the past 24 hours, it has become increasingly clear that Iran’s leadership is prioritizing one objective above all else: projecting internal stability while imposing costs externally.
Domestically, the regime has moved quickly to signal continuity. The appointment of an interim governing framework, coordinated messaging by senior officials in Iranian media, and visible deployment of Basij and IRGC forces across major urban centers all serve a single purpose — deterrence of mass mobilization. The regime understands that its most acute vulnerability is internal fragmentation, not battlefield losses.
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Public messaging from Tehran continues to reject negotiations at this stage. The regime appears to be betting less on battlefield reversal and more on political fatigue — particularly within the United States and among Gulf partners. The underlying assumption seems to be that external actors will seek to cap the conflict before it evolves into an existential threat to regime survival.
Morrissey sold out the o2 on Saturday night. A topical header could be "I've been dreaming of a time when the English are sick to death of Labour and Tory"
Try watching it. It doesn't take you five minutes to see whether it has a slant. It my opinion it's most comprehensive News Services around . It is not about editorialising. Take a look
Aljazeera Arabic is the version that contains the most pro-Qatar interests in the region / anti-Western propaganda slant.
Isn't Qatar on the receiving end of Iranian missiles, so hardly pro-Iran?
I didn't say it was, I said it was very biased. It is the mouthpiece of the Qatar government, particularly the Arabic version, when it comes to regional politics.
How many nights at the Hotel du Cap has that rise bought you ?
You can't add in the 16% increase to explain how well things are going as a result of a quite probably illegal (if morally justified- if regime change occurs) war. The 1% drop since opening of business today should be your starting point.
The Greeks are deploying their air force to.Cyprus, apparently. They have a fair few jets, actually, with all their military insurance againstt Turkey.
At what point can we reasonably say this has become World War III?
Nowhere near unless China takes the opportunity to move on Taiwan, or Russia gets involved.
The former is more likely than the latter, but still very unlikely for now.
Maybe Spain will join the war on Iran’s side.
Plenty of Nukes around. Now they've assassinated Iran's leader his order that nuclear bombs are unislamic will be reversed and Iran might use their natural recourses to buy themselves one.
Morrissey sold out the o2 on Saturday night. A topical header could be "I've been dreaming of a time when the English are sick to death of Labour and Tory"
At what point can we reasonably say this has become World War III?
One point would be if Iran finds it has allies willing to act in concert with it. SFAICS, not as yet. Like us, they often have interests rather than alliances. I wonder in whose interest it is the commit armed force alongside Iran? No doubt we shall find out.
Another point might be if this seemed a golden opportunity to act elsewhere in the world.
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Tidying up the people to match the new borders.
Not sure that’s quite the moral standard we are looking for, though.
https://www.aljazeera.com/
British citizens and territory are under active attack.
https://x.com/visegrad24/status/2028411603662614665
People die in war. It sucks. That's why it should be a last resort. But when that last resort arrives, then fighting for victory is the right thing to do - even if that means people die in the process.
Mine are up.
The tiny fall in share prices being countered by the lower value of sterling.
And my gold and silver ETFs have had another good day.
@duncanweldon.bsky.social
Adopting a new rule: if I don’t think you could name four different Iranian cities until this weekend, I’m not interested in your Iran analysis.
https://bsky.app/profile/duncanweldon.bsky.social/post/3mg2zc5t54s2e
The most nicked car in history
They should sit back, relax, and order another cocktail by the pool. There’s much worse places in the world to be stuck for a few days.
Davey spends his life seemingly on Twitter crapping on the US president. Not sure what he expects to gain from that?
The Mullahs are an evil that needs defeating. Now is the time to press for victory and see them eliminated once and for all.
War should be a last resort, but when war comes, fighting for victory is the right thing to do.
"The nuclear devastation of the United Kingdom is clearly illegal, and I have therefore commenced preliminary legal proceedings against the (allegedly) guilty party."
Otherwise, not so much.
I suspect Netanyahu and Huckerbee have been the masterminds behind this entire enterprise. Doesn't Huckerbee want the entire biblical Middle East to be a single Judaist-Christian homeland?
So i guess its Super Serious
Stock market today: Dow, S&P 500, Nasdaq futures plunge while oil prices surge as Iran conflict jolts markets
Admittedly a smaller "plunge", so far, than the 2025 stockmarket crash inspired by Trump's tariff wars
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/live/stock-market-today-dow-sp-500-nasdaq-futures-sink-while-oil-prices-surge-as-iran-conflict-rattles-markets-235000379.html
Shangers. What a city
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0714437/?ref_=nm_flmg_job_1_accord_1_cdt_epp_sm_1
What are you proposing ?
If Slough is turned into a radioactive wasteland inhabited by mutant cannibal zombies, who pays the CGT on the uplift in commercial property?
Credible stories beginning to emerge that Israel pre-empted the strikes on Iran to catch the leadership napping, and that US claims they had warning of a pre-emptive Iranian attack are not true. Trump is now trying to recapture the narrative but it may be unravelling for him. 1/5
https://x.com/gregbagwell/status/2028408105302712422
I mean, it's credible as in 'credible scenario', but is there any actual evidence for it ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_diplomatic_crisis
https://www.aljazeera.com/
A 1% fall following a 16% yearly rise.
How many nights at the Hotel du Cap has that rise bought you ?
Dont believe Rogeresque type statements or images. A lot are fakes
The former is more likely than the latter, but still very unlikely for now.
https://phillipspobrien.substack.com/p/the-usisraeli-bombing-of-iran-means?r=1tgexa&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true
Trump ‘very disappointed’ in Starmer over Iran
President tells Telegraph that PM ‘took far too long’ to let America use Chagos Islands air base
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/03/02/exclusive-trump-very-disappointed-in-starmer-over-iran/
WSJ: "Three U.S. jet fighters were mistakenly shot down in Kuwait, U.S. Central Command said."
Perhaps Nigel should tell Trump that Starmer stole the 2020 Presidential Election for Biden.
Over the past 24 hours, it has become increasingly clear that Iran’s leadership is prioritizing one objective above all else: projecting internal stability while imposing costs externally.
Domestically, the regime has moved quickly to signal continuity. The appointment of an interim governing framework, coordinated messaging by senior officials in Iranian media, and visible deployment of Basij and IRGC forces across major urban centers all serve a single purpose — deterrence of mass mobilization. The regime understands that its most acute vulnerability is internal fragmentation, not battlefield losses.
...
Public messaging from Tehran continues to reject negotiations at this stage. The regime appears to be betting less on battlefield reversal and more on political fatigue — particularly within the United States and among Gulf partners. The underlying assumption seems to be that external actors will seek to cap the conflict before it evolves into an existential threat to regime survival.
https://x.com/citrinowicz/status/2028391203733963022
Al Jazeera’s coverage is about to pivot against Iran so fast its presenters will get whiplash
It’s for other countries to take the fallout .
No one, and I mean no one outside anti-Trump YouTubers are interested in Epstein now.
Good politics from Trump.
If Trump wants to de escalate he'll have to take Netanyahu out.
Another point might be if this seemed a golden opportunity to act elsewhere in the world.
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Anyone with a brain could be excused for thinking Rachel has turned the Tory titanic around and we're inching to calmer waters.