@Steven_Swinford The Lib Dems have become the first party to call for Lord Mandelson to face an investigation for misconduct in public office - a criminal offence - over the leaking of sensitive No 10 emails
Ed Davey, Lib Dem leader, says: 'The Epstein files suggest Peter Mandelson leaked sensitive government information to a convicted sex offender while serving as a minister, and even suggested a US bank should threaten the Government to lower its tax bill
'These allegations are incredibly serious, it is now only right that the police investigate Peter Mandelson for potential misconduct in public office.'
"Lock him up," cry the Orange populists.
The difference is that Mandelson and Andrew will pay the price of their actions whereas Trump 's misdeeds will be covered up and he will get away with it.
Does anyone seriously believe that TRump's puppets at the DOJ aren't concealing/ destroying any evidence that implicates him?
I think that Labour are in really big trouble over this. They had a Cabinet member who allowed his paedophile ring running friend front run the UK market by giving him insider information about changes to tax before they were announced. Insider trading isn't a victimless crime, these people are stealing from other people including pension funds and individual investors.
This is probably one of the most serious scandals that the country has had in a while. If the FCA is made to investigate this and it proves that Epstien and linked vehicles profited from this insider information then I hope Mandelson goes to jail for a very long time and Starmer has to resign for resurrecting his career.
It's hard to disagree with this.
The UK government went to a lot of trouble to install Mandelson, who the US initially rejected.
To have installed a 'friend of Jeffrey', and one who appears to have leaked price sensitive information to him (albeit information the dissemination of which is not illegal), is extraordinary.
The only explanation that makes sense is this:
(1) Mandelson lied and (2) The US chose not to share information with the UK about Mandelson (either during the Biden administration or the Trump one)
It might even be supposed that in an act of dumb 4D chess they (HMG) thought putting in a friend of Epstein as ambassador to the court of another friend of Epstein was a smart move. Worked out well.
Who better than a sleazeball to handle a sleazeball?
A good principle of sending any email is that it will get back to the people you'd least like to see it, and thus should be phrased accordingly.
Earlier today we saw the damning email but couldn’t 100% confirm who it came from (albeit it was obvious).
The reply gave the game away and I think confirms the Official Secrets Act was broken
Alarmingly, broken by a Top Minister fifteen years ago, and we're only finding out now.
What other Bad Shit is happening without anyone noticing?
I suspect this type of abuse by the rich and powerful goes on now and always has done. The Epstein emails were uncovered because in the 2000's and 2010's the rich and powerful unguardedly emailed to each other, not realising the email server was capturing every communication. It was a point in time weakness. In the 1990's they would have phoned; post 2015 they would have Whatsapp'ed. And no-one would be any the wiser.
Consider the Reformation.
Consider the savage hatred of the existing church by a number of Protestants. And the accounts of what was going on in the monasteries in England - that were destroyed on the orders of Queen Mary. Add in the fact that a major reason for the Reformation was the extra-judicial privileges of the clergy. They were legally untouchable by the civil courts. Add in the modern scandals. Add in the fact that human nature has not changed.
What do you get?
Queen Mary destroyed the monasteries?????
I think the implication is that she destroyed the evidence gathered by Wolsey and Cromwell of all the terrible practices and behaviour in the Catholic monasteries. The abolition of the monasteries wasn't all about making money for Henry 8th (and incidentally creating some amazingly atmospheric ruins for 21st century visitors who like that kind of thing...)
Indeed.
The reformation has its roots in history, hundreds of years previous to Henry VIII and Cromwell. The three main strands were - the Church was immune to civil law and used that strongly to protect its own, the corruption that resulted within the church and the distance from the actual Bible by the doctrine of the Church hierarchy.
The sale of indulgences (see Martin Luther's blog page on the church door) was the tip of a big, big iceberg.
I think that Labour are in really big trouble over this. They had a Cabinet member who allowed his paedophile ring running friend front run the UK market by giving him insider information about changes to tax before they were announced. Insider trading isn't a victimless crime, these people are stealing from other people including pension funds and individual investors.
This is probably one of the most serious scandals that the country has had in a while. If the FCA is made to investigate this and it proves that Epstien and linked vehicles profited from this insider information then I hope Mandelson goes to jail for a very long time and Starmer has to resign for resurrecting his career.
It's hard to disagree with this.
The UK government went to a lot of trouble to install Mandelson, who the US initially rejected.
To have installed a 'friend of Jeffrey', and one who appears to have leaked price sensitive information to him (albeit information the dissemination of which is not illegal), is extraordinary.
The only explanation that makes sense is this:
(1) Mandelson lied and (2) The US chose not to share information with the UK about Mandelson (either during the Biden administration or the Trump one)
It might even be supposed that in an act of dumb 4D chess they (HMG) thought putting in a friend of Epstein as ambassador to the court of another friend of Epstein was a smart move. Worked out well.
Who better than a sleazeball to handle a sleazeball?
(I'd hope not but that thought struck me too)
Hiring Henry Morgan to stamp out piracy comes to mind.
@Steven_Swinford The Lib Dems have become the first party to call for Lord Mandelson to face an investigation for misconduct in public office - a criminal offence - over the leaking of sensitive No 10 emails
Ed Davey, Lib Dem leader, says: 'The Epstein files suggest Peter Mandelson leaked sensitive government information to a convicted sex offender while serving as a minister, and even suggested a US bank should threaten the Government to lower its tax bill
'These allegations are incredibly serious, it is now only right that the police investigate Peter Mandelson for potential misconduct in public office.'
"Lock him up," cry the Orange populists.
The difference is that Mandelson and Andrew will pay the price of their actions whereas Trump 's misdeeds will be covered up and he will get away with it.
Does anyone seriously believe that TRump's puppets at the DOJ aren't concealing/ destroying any evidence that implicates him?
The Maria Farmer testimony is among 3 million documents missing according to, checks notes, Maria Farmer.
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Does anyone seriously believe that TRump's puppets at the DOJ aren't concealing/ destroying any evidence that implicates him?
(I'd hope not but that thought struck me too)
The reformation has its roots in history, hundreds of years previous to Henry VIII and Cromwell. The three main strands were - the Church was immune to civil law and used that strongly to protect its own, the corruption that resulted within the church and the distance from the actual Bible by the doctrine of the Church hierarchy.
The sale of indulgences (see Martin Luther's blog page on the church door) was the tip of a big, big iceberg.