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  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,695
    edited 12:42PM
    “Robert Jenrick may have joined Reform but who is he getting his orders from? Trojan horse.”

    What is she actually saying? Bobby’s arse is a trap door, and an army of Badenoch’s are going to come out and capture the Reform Party?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,030
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    Andy_JS said:

    Donald Trump's letter to the Norwegian prime minister.

    "Dear Jonas:
    Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America. Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia or China, and why do they have a “right of ownership” anyway? There are no written documents, it’s only that a boat landed there hundreds of years ago, but we had boats landing there, also. I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now, NATO should do something for the United States. The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland.
    Thank you!
    President DJT"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/01/19/trump-taking-greenland-is-revenge-for-no-nobel-peace-prize/

    So, that's genuine, not a skit from Saturday Night Live?
    Unbelievable, they need to invoke the 25th amendment.
    Pass the 61st Amendment.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,526
    edited 12:43PM
    A good analysis by Simon Marks on LBC.

    Marks can't understand why Starmer is continuing with normalcy bias, particularly as US Government policy is to ensure the election of Nigel Farage as Prime Minister, and Elon Musk and MAGA consider Starmer to be a fascist.

    It is very good, and he eviscerates Starmer's "weakness".
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,959
    Sandpit said:

    Battlebus said:

    Truss’s disastrous tenure as prime minister destroyed the savings of tens of thousands of people in this country.

    I'm curious as to how that supposedly happened ?

    Thinking back to the Truss interlude I'm pretty sure my net wealth increased - the lower level of sterling causing the value of my investments and pensions to increase.

    I do wonder how many politicians have any idea about personal finances work for normal people.

    As opposed to politicians whose personal finances depend on generous expenses, a final salary pension scheme and mysterious donations from dubious people.

    It was the increase in mortgage rates that’s the issue.
    Mortgages are the opposite of savings though.

    Higher mortgage rates also mean higher savings rates.

    And interest rates were rising before Truss, after Truss, are set by the Bank of England and rose across the world.

    I wonder if BobbyJ was overextended on his mortgage ?

    This is not to defend Truss, whose economic strategy was complete bollox.
    It would be somewhat an oddity for Truss's idea of borrowing more while cutting taxes to become mainstream.

    Those wishing to invest in somewhere other than the US (and their bubble market) could finance a renaissance in UK DIB to become the alternative supplier of choice for weapons. Seems like a good punt for personal investment too.

    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/british-ultra-heavy-lift-drone-extends-range-to-2000km/

    and

    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/britains-new-drone-helicopter-takes-first-flight/


    There are clearly still lots of really smart engineers in Britain who can do great things if the country gets behind them.

    Britain needs British businesses to invest in engineering excellence instead of sweating assets to increase dividend payments. How do we create that change?
    Make it competitive.

    How’s about we give 10 teams of engineers £100m each, and let them build a pair of cars to a fixed set of regulations.

    Every couple of weeks we’ll take all the cars to a track somewhere in the world, and we can see who built the fastest one.

    We can put it on TV, and the teams can sell sponsorship on the cars. If they can. Get enough sponsorship they might be able to afford to hire the best driver for their cars.

    Do you see where I’m going yet…?
    Sure F1 is great, but regular British businesses are awful at investment, so despite Britain and British engineers playing a leading role in F1, we don't have the world-leading automotive car industry you might hope would be the knock-on from that.

    Capitalist markets are competitive. The prize is making large profits. But British businesses don't play the game in the way that leads to long-term success.

    In the defence industry it makes sense for the government to create competitions for companies to demonstrate technologies to fulfil certain tasks, but that level of intervention doesn't make sense for innovation in all areas of the economy.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,233

    Leon said:

    LET’S TALK ABOUT BOTTOMS

    I am at a waste to energy incinerator discussing the disposable of bottom ash if that helps.
    Don't use the "I" word. "Energy recovery facility" is the preferred terminology for plants that, er, incinerate waste.

    Is the site you are visiting considering retrofitting CCS, by any chance?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,233
    Battlebus said:

    Truss’s disastrous tenure as prime minister destroyed the savings of tens of thousands of people in this country.

    I'm curious as to how that supposedly happened ?

    Thinking back to the Truss interlude I'm pretty sure my net wealth increased - the lower level of sterling causing the value of my investments and pensions to increase.

    I do wonder how many politicians have any idea about personal finances work for normal people.

    As opposed to politicians whose personal finances depend on generous expenses, a final salary pension scheme and mysterious donations from dubious people.

    It was the increase in mortgage rates that’s the issue.
    Mortgages are the opposite of savings though.

    Higher mortgage rates also mean higher savings rates.

    And interest rates were rising before Truss, after Truss, are set by the Bank of England and rose across the world.

    I wonder if BobbyJ was overextended on his mortgage ?

    This is not to defend Truss, whose economic strategy was complete bollox.
    It would be somewhat an oddity for Truss's idea of borrowing more while cutting taxes to become mainstream.

    Those wishing to invest in somewhere other than the US (and their bubble market) could finance a renaissance in UK DIB to become the alternative supplier of choice for weapons. Seems like a good punt for personal investment too.

    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/british-ultra-heavy-lift-drone-extends-range-to-2000km/

    and

    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/britains-new-drone-helicopter-takes-first-flight/


    Is that a toy or full-size?

    We need a dog for scale.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,316
    boulay said:

    carnforth said:

    By the way, don't bother with the Lynley reboot. Almost comically badly-written at moments. More like a Channel 5 pulp murder mystery than a BBC production.

    It was pretty dreadful. They had tried to get a bit of a scandi Wallander feel to it but Lynsey was played like some cliche of an upper class arrogant toff with zero qualities. I actually cannot remember any of the storylines only a week or two on either.
    Yes, it was awful.
    But nowhere near as bad as Dawn French's latest BBC 'sitcom', Can you keep a Secret?, which the boss made me watch last night. I don't think I've seen anything as bad in my nearly 70 years. Worth a watch just for the sheer horror of the script (though we abandoned it after Episode 2).
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,478

    A good analysis by Simon Marks on LBC.

    Marks can't understand why Starmer is continuing with normalcy bias, particularly as US Government policy is to ensure the election of Nigel Farage as Prime Minister, and Elon Musk and MAGA consider Starmer to be a fascist.

    It is very good, and he eviscerates Starmer's "weakness".

    I can't keep up, surely if Musk and MAGA consider Starmer a fascist they would consider him an ally?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,715
    The Danes have binned their trip to Davos
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,349
    If anybody really wants to listen to Starmer's speech, it is here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx2k7gv0znmt

    I have a genuine problem with listening to Starmer speak: his whiny voice means I forget what he says a few moments after he says it, so I am in no position to say whether it was good or bad. So I'll leave that up to you.

    My prejudices regarding his character lead me to think it'll be bad: perhaps somebody can persuade me otherwise but looking at the comments so far I doubt it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,442
    Taz said:

    Battlebus said:

    Truss’s disastrous tenure as prime minister destroyed the savings of tens of thousands of people in this country.

    I'm curious as to how that supposedly happened ?

    Thinking back to the Truss interlude I'm pretty sure my net wealth increased - the lower level of sterling causing the value of my investments and pensions to increase.

    I do wonder how many politicians have any idea about personal finances work for normal people.

    As opposed to politicians whose personal finances depend on generous expenses, a final salary pension scheme and mysterious donations from dubious people.

    It was the increase in mortgage rates that’s the issue.
    Mortgages are the opposite of savings though.

    Higher mortgage rates also mean higher savings rates.

    And interest rates were rising before Truss, after Truss, are set by the Bank of England and rose across the world.

    I wonder if BobbyJ was overextended on his mortgage ?

    This is not to defend Truss, whose economic strategy was complete bollox.
    It would be somewhat an oddity for Truss's idea of borrowing more while cutting taxes to become mainstream.

    Those wishing to invest in somewhere other than the US (and their bubble market) could finance a renaissance in UK DIB to become the alternative supplier of choice for weapons. Seems like a good punt for personal investment too.

    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/british-ultra-heavy-lift-drone-extends-range-to-2000km/

    and

    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/britains-new-drone-helicopter-takes-first-flight/


    There are clearly still lots of really smart engineers in Britain who can do great things if the country gets behind them.

    Britain needs British businesses to invest in engineering excellence instead of sweating assets to increase dividend payments. How do we create that change?
    Offer businesses more incentives/tax reliefs to invest in R&D and Universities are a great place for potential R&D development. Fund more of them. For starters.

    Businesses need to make a profit and paying a dividend is not a bad thing as long as there is sufficient cover. Far from it. Some companies see it as a matter of pride to annually increase their dividend payments.
    You have to get from R&D to industrial production.

    But certainly, tax incentives are a small part of that.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,526

    Leon said:

    LET’S TALK ABOUT BOTTOMS

    I am at a waste to energy incinerator discussing the disposable of bottom ash if that helps.
    Don't use the "I" word. "Energy recovery facility" is the preferred terminology for plants that, er, incinerate waste.

    Is the site you are visiting considering retrofitting CCS, by any chance?
    Carbon capture is above my pay grade. I am merely advising on optimal disposal of bottom ash and the potential for salvaging ferrous and non ferrous residues.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,301

    Leon said:

    LET’S TALK ABOUT BOTTOMS

    I am at a waste to energy incinerator discussing the disposable of bottom ash if that helps.
    Don't use the "I" word. "Energy recovery facility" is the preferred terminology for plants that, er, incinerate waste.

    Is the site you are visiting considering retrofitting CCS, by any chance?
    Carbon capture is above my pay grade. I am merely advising on optimal disposal of bottom ash and the potential for salvaging ferrous and non ferrous residues.
    "bottom ash" sounds like a euphamism for ass-crack dandruff...
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,526
    edited 12:59PM

    A good analysis by Simon Marks on LBC.

    Marks can't understand why Starmer is continuing with normalcy bias, particularly as US Government policy is to ensure the election of Nigel Farage as Prime Minister, and Elon Musk and MAGA consider Starmer to be a fascist.

    It is very good, and he eviscerates Starmer's "weakness".

    I can't keep up, surely if Musk and MAGA consider Starmer a fascist they would consider him an ally?
    No Starmer is a fascist. They are not fascist. Or so it goes.

    Limiting Musk's X and Grok on the grounds of child safety is fascism. Shooting an unarmed mom in the face apparently is not.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,661
    viewcode said:

    If anybody really wants to listen to Starmer's speech, it is here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx2k7gv0znmt

    I have a genuine problem with listening to Starmer speak: his whiny voice means I forget what he says a few moments after he says it, so I am in no position to say whether it was good or bad. So I'll leave that up to you.

    My prejudices regarding his character lead me to think it'll be bad: perhaps somebody can persuade me otherwise but looking at the comments so far I doubt it.

    For Starmer, it was good.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,380

    Sandpit said:

    Battlebus said:

    Truss’s disastrous tenure as prime minister destroyed the savings of tens of thousands of people in this country.

    I'm curious as to how that supposedly happened ?

    Thinking back to the Truss interlude I'm pretty sure my net wealth increased - the lower level of sterling causing the value of my investments and pensions to increase.

    I do wonder how many politicians have any idea about personal finances work for normal people.

    As opposed to politicians whose personal finances depend on generous expenses, a final salary pension scheme and mysterious donations from dubious people.

    It was the increase in mortgage rates that’s the issue.
    Mortgages are the opposite of savings though.

    Higher mortgage rates also mean higher savings rates.

    And interest rates were rising before Truss, after Truss, are set by the Bank of England and rose across the world.

    I wonder if BobbyJ was overextended on his mortgage ?

    This is not to defend Truss, whose economic strategy was complete bollox.
    It would be somewhat an oddity for Truss's idea of borrowing more while cutting taxes to become mainstream.

    Those wishing to invest in somewhere other than the US (and their bubble market) could finance a renaissance in UK DIB to become the alternative supplier of choice for weapons. Seems like a good punt for personal investment too.

    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/british-ultra-heavy-lift-drone-extends-range-to-2000km/

    and

    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/britains-new-drone-helicopter-takes-first-flight/


    There are clearly still lots of really smart engineers in Britain who can do great things if the country gets behind them.

    Britain needs British businesses to invest in engineering excellence instead of sweating assets to increase dividend payments. How do we create that change?
    Make it competitive.

    How’s about we give 10 teams of engineers £100m each, and let them build a pair of cars to a fixed set of regulations.

    Every couple of weeks we’ll take all the cars to a track somewhere in the world, and we can see who built the fastest one.

    We can put it on TV, and the teams can sell sponsorship on the cars. If they can. Get enough sponsorship they might be able to afford to hire the best driver for their cars.

    Do you see where I’m going yet…?
    Sure F1 is great, but regular British businesses are awful at investment, so despite Britain and British engineers playing a leading role in F1, we don't have the world-leading automotive car industry you might hope would be the knock-on from that.

    Capitalist markets are competitive. The prize is making large profits. But British businesses don't play the game in the way that leads to long-term success.

    In the defence industry it makes sense for the government to create competitions for companies to demonstrate technologies to fulfil certain tasks, but that level of intervention doesn't make sense for innovation in all areas of the economy.
    Which is a fair reply to my slightly flippant answer.

    The general complaint is that there’s a lack of venture capital available in the UK, so such innovation that does happen is quickly sold into the US.

    This is where the sovereign wealth of places like the Gulf states could possibly come in useful, with some incentives for FDI from the government.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,526

    Leon said:

    LET’S TALK ABOUT BOTTOMS

    I am at a waste to energy incinerator discussing the disposable of bottom ash if that helps.
    Don't use the "I" word. "Energy recovery facility" is the preferred terminology for plants that, er, incinerate waste.

    Is the site you are visiting considering retrofitting CCS, by any chance?
    Carbon capture is above my pay grade. I am merely advising on optimal disposal of bottom ash and the potential for salvaging ferrous and non ferrous residues.
    "bottom ash" sounds like a euphamism for ass-crack dandruff...
    We are on the verge of returning to Leon's original request which I am circling around.

    Think of your wood burner and the ash that falls to the bottom but on an industrial scale.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,301
    Scott_xP said:

    The Danes have binned their trip to Davos

    Are they instead going to honour their Viking heritage - and sail to reclaim the America they discovered centuries before Columbus?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,329
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Eabhal said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Good morning

    I do not envy Starmer and did not like his fawning over Trump but he has little choice and I agree with his approach

    Anyone thinking Ed Davey 's antagonism to Trump would be helpful is just wanting to kick Trump [ as we all do] but would only have one result in making Trump more extreme

    I fear that Trump is not going to back down and his letter to Norway is alarming

    He can take devastating action against NATO, Europe and others including hugh tariffs, end US NATO membership, and withdraw support for Ukraine and withdraw his military from Europe

    Furthermore, has anyone considered that even if Trump goes others in the US will continue their demand to control Greenland

    The fact is Trump has all the cards and Europe is left powerless in a frightening change in security

    I wish Starmer well, but I really doubt that he, or indeed anyone, will change Trumps ambition to own Greenland

    Depends, if the Democrats get in next time they would leave Greenland to Denmark and the people of Greenland.

    Even most Republicans only want to buy Greenland, they oppose invading it
    You dont know that

    Look at the history of US and Greenland, and there is no doubt due to climate change the Artic region is at the front of US, Russia and China interests

    The world is changing and US does not need military action to acquire Greenland as we are seeing now
    I do know that.

    Not a single Democratic Congressman or Senator has said the US needs to take Greenland and 79% of Democrat voters oppose even trying to buy Greenland.

    Neither China nor Russia have said they want to acquire Greenland either
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/just-one-five-americans-support-trumps-efforts-acquire-greenland-reutersipsos-2026-01-14/
    You do not understand the geography

    Greenland is strategically the most important area east of the US to defend the wests interests in the Artic
    Neither do you - the US already has a base and there are no restrictions on them expanding their operations there. Denmark is a NATO ally, spends more than we do on defence and lost as many troops per capita as the US in Afghanistan. There's no logic behind this BigG, not sure why you're even trying to find some given the character we're dealing with.

    If you need some evidence, Europe just bolstered troop numbers there and Trump took that as provocation. It's conquest, nothing more.
    The point that is being missed is that Trump is determined to own it no matter how much pleading Europe and other countries complain

    I do not want the US owning Greenland but pointing out some hard facts is important in the context of discussion
    Sure Trump is determined, but that doesn't mean we have to give way.

    We can make it clear to America that if they go ahead with this there will be consequences, and if they don't want to suffer those consequences then they should deal with Trump.

    Then it's up to America to decide.

    The tactic of fawning over Trump and giving him everything he wants to placate him, as though he's an omnipotent Dudley Dursley, has to stop. It doesn't work.
    An annoucement at WEF that a coalition of a dozen European countries intends to develop a new common independent nuclear deterrent, would probably make the news Stateside.
    It would also make news domestically. The Greens, Lib Dems, half the Labour Party, the Nationalists, the Churches, the luvvies and the bien-pensants would wet themselves.
    Two birds, one stone…
    Big 'annoying the right people is fine when we do it' vibe.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,442
    edited 1:02PM

    Sandpit said:

    Battlebus said:

    Truss’s disastrous tenure as prime minister destroyed the savings of tens of thousands of people in this country.

    I'm curious as to how that supposedly happened ?

    Thinking back to the Truss interlude I'm pretty sure my net wealth increased - the lower level of sterling causing the value of my investments and pensions to increase.

    I do wonder how many politicians have any idea about personal finances work for normal people.

    As opposed to politicians whose personal finances depend on generous expenses, a final salary pension scheme and mysterious donations from dubious people.

    It was the increase in mortgage rates that’s the issue.
    Mortgages are the opposite of savings though.

    Higher mortgage rates also mean higher savings rates.

    And interest rates were rising before Truss, after Truss, are set by the Bank of England and rose across the world.

    I wonder if BobbyJ was overextended on his mortgage ?

    This is not to defend Truss, whose economic strategy was complete bollox.
    It would be somewhat an oddity for Truss's idea of borrowing more while cutting taxes to become mainstream.

    Those wishing to invest in somewhere other than the US (and their bubble market) could finance a renaissance in UK DIB to become the alternative supplier of choice for weapons. Seems like a good punt for personal investment too.

    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/british-ultra-heavy-lift-drone-extends-range-to-2000km/

    and

    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/britains-new-drone-helicopter-takes-first-flight/


    There are clearly still lots of really smart engineers in Britain who can do great things if the country gets behind them.

    Britain needs British businesses to invest in engineering excellence instead of sweating assets to increase dividend payments. How do we create that change?
    Make it competitive.

    How’s about we give 10 teams of engineers £100m each, and let them build a pair of cars to a fixed set of regulations.

    Every couple of weeks we’ll take all the cars to a track somewhere in the world, and we can see who built the fastest one.

    We can put it on TV, and the teams can sell sponsorship on the cars. If they can. Get enough sponsorship they might be able to afford to hire the best driver for their cars.

    Do you see where I’m going yet…?
    Sure F1 is great, but regular British businesses are awful at investment, so despite Britain and British engineers playing a leading role in F1, we don't have the world-leading automotive car industry you might hope would be the knock-on from that.

    Capitalist markets are competitive. The prize is making large profits. But British businesses don't play the game in the way that leads to long-term success.

    In the defence industry it makes sense for the government to create competitions for companies to demonstrate technologies to fulfil certain tasks, but that level of intervention doesn't make sense for innovation in all areas of the economy.
    It demonstrably does for an economy the size of China ... and could for the EU.

    The devil as ever in the detail.

    But recall that when we were a member we attracted an outsize share of investment.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,526
    Barnesian said:

    viewcode said:

    If anybody really wants to listen to Starmer's speech, it is here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx2k7gv0znmt

    I have a genuine problem with listening to Starmer speak: his whiny voice means I forget what he says a few moments after he says it, so I am in no position to say whether it was good or bad. So I'll leave that up to you.

    My prejudices regarding his character lead me to think it'll be bad: perhaps somebody can persuade me otherwise but looking at the comments so far I doubt it.

    For Starmer, it was good.
    If you listen to the BBC and LBC it really is disgusting appeasement.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,332
    viewcode said:

    If anybody really wants to listen to Starmer's speech, it is here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx2k7gv0znmt

    I have a genuine problem with listening to Starmer speak: his whiny voice means I forget what he says a few moments after he says it, so I am in no position to say whether it was good or bad. So I'll leave that up to you.

    My prejudices regarding his character lead me to think it'll be bad: perhaps somebody can persuade me otherwise but looking at the comments so far I doubt it.

    The style, not the voice, that Starmer seems unable to avoid is the same as Major. Bathos. Addressing the nation this morning on a major threat to world peace and world order and 80 years of western foreign and military policy he did OK, but can't avoid drifting off into domestic stuff about the cost of living and prices at the pumps or cones hotlines or something. He is absolutely anti-climactic. "Lower gas prices and breakfast clubs in our time".

    OTOH thirty years on Major is still quite well regarded. Perhaps Starmer will be too.

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,030

    Scott_xP said:

    The Danes have binned their trip to Davos

    Are they instead going to honour their Viking heritage - and sail to reclaim the America they discovered centuries before Columbus?
    They're smart - they are taking @rcs1000's advice and heading to the ski slopes.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,050
    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    Battlebus said:

    Truss’s disastrous tenure as prime minister destroyed the savings of tens of thousands of people in this country.

    I'm curious as to how that supposedly happened ?

    Thinking back to the Truss interlude I'm pretty sure my net wealth increased - the lower level of sterling causing the value of my investments and pensions to increase.

    I do wonder how many politicians have any idea about personal finances work for normal people.

    As opposed to politicians whose personal finances depend on generous expenses, a final salary pension scheme and mysterious donations from dubious people.

    It was the increase in mortgage rates that’s the issue.
    Mortgages are the opposite of savings though.

    Higher mortgage rates also mean higher savings rates.

    And interest rates were rising before Truss, after Truss, are set by the Bank of England and rose across the world.

    I wonder if BobbyJ was overextended on his mortgage ?

    This is not to defend Truss, whose economic strategy was complete bollox.
    It would be somewhat an oddity for Truss's idea of borrowing more while cutting taxes to become mainstream.

    Those wishing to invest in somewhere other than the US (and their bubble market) could finance a renaissance in UK DIB to become the alternative supplier of choice for weapons. Seems like a good punt for personal investment too.

    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/british-ultra-heavy-lift-drone-extends-range-to-2000km/

    and

    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/britains-new-drone-helicopter-takes-first-flight/


    There are clearly still lots of really smart engineers in Britain who can do great things if the country gets behind them.

    Britain needs British businesses to invest in engineering excellence instead of sweating assets to increase dividend payments. How do we create that change?
    Offer businesses more incentives/tax reliefs to invest in R&D and Universities are a great place for potential R&D development. Fund more of them. For starters.

    Businesses need to make a profit and paying a dividend is not a bad thing as long as there is sufficient cover. Far from it. Some companies see it as a matter of pride to annually increase their dividend payments.
    You have to get from R&D to industrial production.

    But certainly, tax incentives are a small part of that.
    Hence why I said ‘for starters’ it was not meant as an exhaustive list.

    Businesses will only do what is strategically in their interest. Universities can be a little more creative.

    Scalability is an issue, as is potential demand. I used to have suppliers come to me with new products and new developments and we had no interest. They had not done voice of the customer.

    I worked in industry for many years including new product development and new plant/capital to support it.

    And you have to sweat assets to get the payback.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,301

    Andy_JS said:

    Donald Trump's letter to the Norwegian prime minister.

    "Dear Jonas:
    Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America. Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia or China, and why do they have a “right of ownership” anyway? There are no written documents, it’s only that a boat landed there hundreds of years ago, but we had boats landing there, also. I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now, NATO should do something for the United States. The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland.
    Thank you!
    President DJT"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/01/19/trump-taking-greenland-is-revenge-for-no-nobel-peace-prize/

    So, that's genuine, not a skit from Saturday Night Live?
    Unbelievable, they need to invoke the 25th amendment.
    Such a toddler tantrum.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,279

    Leon said:

    LET’S TALK ABOUT BOTTOMS

    I am at a waste to energy incinerator discussing the disposable of bottom ash if that helps.
    Don't use the "I" word. "Energy recovery facility" is the preferred terminology for plants that, er, incinerate waste.

    Is the site you are visiting considering retrofitting CCS, by any chance?
    Carbon capture is above my pay grade. I am merely advising on optimal disposal of bottom ash and the potential for salvaging ferrous and non ferrous residues.
    Doesn't the bottom ash go into road building as a base? We could fill a lot of potholes with it.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,349
    Barnesian said:

    viewcode said:

    If anybody really wants to listen to Starmer's speech, it is here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx2k7gv0znmt

    I have a genuine problem with listening to Starmer speak: his whiny voice means I forget what he says a few moments after he says it, so I am in no position to say whether it was good or bad. So I'll leave that up to you.

    My prejudices regarding his character lead me to think it'll be bad: perhaps somebody can persuade me otherwise but looking at the comments so far I doubt it.

    For Starmer, it was good.
    High praise, dat. :(
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,346

    Battlebus said:

    Truss’s disastrous tenure as prime minister destroyed the savings of tens of thousands of people in this country.

    I'm curious as to how that supposedly happened ?

    Thinking back to the Truss interlude I'm pretty sure my net wealth increased - the lower level of sterling causing the value of my investments and pensions to increase.

    I do wonder how many politicians have any idea about personal finances work for normal people.

    As opposed to politicians whose personal finances depend on generous expenses, a final salary pension scheme and mysterious donations from dubious people.

    It was the increase in mortgage rates that’s the issue.
    Mortgages are the opposite of savings though.

    Higher mortgage rates also mean higher savings rates.

    And interest rates were rising before Truss, after Truss, are set by the Bank of England and rose across the world.

    I wonder if BobbyJ was overextended on his mortgage ?

    This is not to defend Truss, whose economic strategy was complete bollox.
    It would be somewhat an oddity for Truss's idea of borrowing more while cutting taxes to become mainstream.

    Those wishing to invest in somewhere other than the US (and their bubble market) could finance a renaissance in UK DIB to become the alternative supplier of choice for weapons. Seems like a good punt for personal investment too.

    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/british-ultra-heavy-lift-drone-extends-range-to-2000km/

    and

    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/britains-new-drone-helicopter-takes-first-flight/


    There are clearly still lots of really smart engineers in Britain who can do great things if the country gets behind them.

    Britain needs British businesses to invest in engineering excellence instead of sweating assets to increase dividend payments. How do we create that change?
    Start with making banks invest in engineering instead of property.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,329

    Barnesian said:

    viewcode said:

    If anybody really wants to listen to Starmer's speech, it is here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx2k7gv0znmt

    I have a genuine problem with listening to Starmer speak: his whiny voice means I forget what he says a few moments after he says it, so I am in no position to say whether it was good or bad. So I'll leave that up to you.

    My prejudices regarding his character lead me to think it'll be bad: perhaps somebody can persuade me otherwise but looking at the comments so far I doubt it.

    For Starmer, it was good.
    If you listen to the BBC and LBC it really is disgusting appeasement.
    Presumably GB News is going with not enough disgusting appeasement?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,346

    Eabhal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @jorgeliboreiro.bsky.social‬

    Now confirmed: the extraordinary summit of EU leaders to address the Greenland crisis will take place in Brussels on Thursday, 22 January.

    It will start, quite unusually, at 19.00 CET.

    ...5 days later? Weak. Should be 19:00 tonight.
    Thought the same. The comment that only two countries can stop Trump (China and Russia) is wrong. It's China and the EU, but the EU is paralysed by delay and indecision. They shouldn't be waiting till Thursday to 'have a meeting to have a meeting' and then come out with Hans Blix from Team America 'We will be very very angry and we will write you a letter......'. The EU needs a meeting tonight, or even this afternoon and they need a response. They (and us) are being played for fools.

    And worse, Trump is right. We, and they (the EU) are acting like fools.
    Unless they are acting in the background and not telling Trump.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,315

    Andy_JS said:

    Donald Trump's letter to the Norwegian prime minister.

    "Dear Jonas:
    Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America. Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia or China, and why do they have a “right of ownership” anyway? There are no written documents, it’s only that a boat landed there hundreds of years ago, but we had boats landing there, also. I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now, NATO should do something for the United States. The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland.
    Thank you!
    President DJT"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/01/19/trump-taking-greenland-is-revenge-for-no-nobel-peace-prize/

    So, that's genuine, not a skit from Saturday Night Live?
    Unbelievable, they need to invoke the 25th amendment.
    Such a toddler tantrum.
    Problem there is Trump is the Devil we know, Vance is the Devil we don't know and could well be worse - remember what Vance was like with Zelenskyy the first time Zelenskyy went to the White House..
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,715
    @normcharlatan.bsky.social‬

    Honestly boycotting the World Cup would be the most effective and probably the least disruptive of all of the options available to Europe. I’m not sure how you can send teams and fans to contribute to a spectacle designed entirely to celebrate a guy trying to invade your territory.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,715
    eek said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Donald Trump's letter to the Norwegian prime minister.

    "Dear Jonas:
    Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America. Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia or China, and why do they have a “right of ownership” anyway? There are no written documents, it’s only that a boat landed there hundreds of years ago, but we had boats landing there, also. I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now, NATO should do something for the United States. The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland.
    Thank you!
    President DJT"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/01/19/trump-taking-greenland-is-revenge-for-no-nobel-peace-prize/

    So, that's genuine, not a skit from Saturday Night Live?
    Unbelievable, they need to invoke the 25th amendment.
    Such a toddler tantrum.
    Problem there is Trump is the Devil we know, Vance is the Devil we don't know and could well be worse - remember what Vance was like with Zelenskyy the first time Zelenskyy went to the White House..
    Except we don't know Trump. He is completely irrational. Flattery doesn't work. Coercion might. Or it might provoke him further.

    Vance may be even more evil than trump, but he is rational AFAIK.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,715
    MaxPB said:

    Trump has really lost it right? I mean beyond standard insane. He's gone completely off the rails with the whole Nobel prize bullshit.

    yes
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,030
    MaxPB said:

    Trump has really lost it right? I mean beyond standard insane. He's gone completely off the rails with the whole Nobel prize bullshit.

    I believe the correct terminology is "Gone Full Tonto"
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,050

    Leon said:

    LET’S TALK ABOUT BOTTOMS

    I am at a waste to energy incinerator discussing the disposable of bottom ash if that helps.
    Don't use the "I" word. "Energy recovery facility" is the preferred terminology for plants that, er, incinerate waste.

    Is the site you are visiting considering retrofitting CCS, by any chance?
    Carbon capture is above my pay grade. I am merely advising on optimal disposal of bottom ash and the potential for salvaging ferrous and non ferrous residues.
    "bottom ash" sounds like a euphamism for ass-crack dandruff...
    We are on the verge of returning to Leon's original request which I am circling around.

    Think of your wood burner and the ash that falls to the bottom but on an industrial scale.
    But can’t you just put that on the garden as a fertiliser ?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,383
    viewcode said:

    If anybody really wants to listen to Starmer's speech, it is here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx2k7gv0znmt

    I have a genuine problem with listening to Starmer speak: his whiny voice means I forget what he says a few moments after he says it, so I am in no position to say whether it was good or bad. So I'll leave that up to you.

    My prejudices regarding his character lead me to think it'll be bad: perhaps somebody can persuade me otherwise but looking at the comments so far I doubt it.

    Annoying voice
    No charisma
    Beholden to Trump
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,138
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Foss said:

    Leon said:

    I specifically asked if we could TALK ABOUT BOTTOMS and yet what do get? Not a peep - especially from the Centrist Dads

    For me, this speaks volumes. This forum would rather talk about anything, literally anything - NATO, Tory politics, political betting, Brexit, Greenland, Gaza

    But bottoms? Nada

    Fine. Do fat bottomed girls make the rockin’ world go ‘round?
    Now you’re just lowering the tone

    I meant a serious discussion

    Ok. If PB is unprepared to address this in an adult way. Let’s ask an even bigger question: how much would you pay to avoid giving oral sex to Lord Heseltine?
    At his rather advanced years surely it’s moot point as he would be unlikely to get aroused ?
    That’s why, for me, the price would be pretty high. You’d have to really work at it
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,050

    MaxPB said:

    Trump has really lost it right? I mean beyond standard insane. He's gone completely off the rails with the whole Nobel prize bullshit.

    I believe the correct terminology is "Gone Full Tonto"
    Pants on his head and pencil up each nostril ?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,749
    Leon said:

    I specifically asked if we could TALK ABOUT BOTTOMS and yet what do get? Not a peep - especially from the Centrist Dads

    For me, this speaks volumes. This forum would rather talk about anything, literally anything - NATO, Tory politics, political betting, Brexit, Greenland, Gaza

    But bottoms? Nada

    Does talking from them not count?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,442
    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    Battlebus said:

    Truss’s disastrous tenure as prime minister destroyed the savings of tens of thousands of people in this country.

    I'm curious as to how that supposedly happened ?

    Thinking back to the Truss interlude I'm pretty sure my net wealth increased - the lower level of sterling causing the value of my investments and pensions to increase.

    I do wonder how many politicians have any idea about personal finances work for normal people.

    As opposed to politicians whose personal finances depend on generous expenses, a final salary pension scheme and mysterious donations from dubious people.

    It was the increase in mortgage rates that’s the issue.
    Mortgages are the opposite of savings though.

    Higher mortgage rates also mean higher savings rates.

    And interest rates were rising before Truss, after Truss, are set by the Bank of England and rose across the world.

    I wonder if BobbyJ was overextended on his mortgage ?

    This is not to defend Truss, whose economic strategy was complete bollox.
    It would be somewhat an oddity for Truss's idea of borrowing more while cutting taxes to become mainstream.

    Those wishing to invest in somewhere other than the US (and their bubble market) could finance a renaissance in UK DIB to become the alternative supplier of choice for weapons. Seems like a good punt for personal investment too.

    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/british-ultra-heavy-lift-drone-extends-range-to-2000km/

    and

    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/britains-new-drone-helicopter-takes-first-flight/


    There are clearly still lots of really smart engineers in Britain who can do great things if the country gets behind them.

    Britain needs British businesses to invest in engineering excellence instead of sweating assets to increase dividend payments. How do we create that change?
    Offer businesses more incentives/tax reliefs to invest in R&D and Universities are a great place for potential R&D development. Fund more of them. For starters.

    Businesses need to make a profit and paying a dividend is not a bad thing as long as there is sufficient cover. Far from it. Some companies see it as a matter of pride to annually increase their dividend payments.
    You have to get from R&D to industrial production.

    But certainly, tax incentives are a small part of that.
    Hence why I said ‘for starters’ it was not meant as an exhaustive list.

    Businesses will only do what is strategically in their interest. Universities can be a little more creative.

    Scalability is an issue, as is potential demand. I used to have suppliers come to me with new products and new developments and we had no interest. They had not done voice of the customer.

    I worked in industry for many years including new product development and new plant/capital to support it.

    And you have to sweat assets to get the payback.
    The point is that we've had numerous schemes, over several decades, to incentivise R&D.
    They've done very little indeed to shift the dial on the deindustrialisation that's been ongoing since the 80s.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,383
    MaxPB said:

    Trump has really lost it right? I mean beyond standard insane. He's gone completely off the rails with the whole Nobel prize bullshit.

    You mean you only just noticed?? :lol:
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,233
    edited 1:12PM
    Battlebus said:

    Leon said:

    LET’S TALK ABOUT BOTTOMS

    I am at a waste to energy incinerator discussing the disposable of bottom ash if that helps.
    Don't use the "I" word. "Energy recovery facility" is the preferred terminology for plants that, er, incinerate waste.

    Is the site you are visiting considering retrofitting CCS, by any chance?
    Carbon capture is above my pay grade. I am merely advising on optimal disposal of bottom ash and the potential for salvaging ferrous and non ferrous residues.
    Doesn't the bottom ash go into road building as a base? We could fill a lot of potholes with it.
    Yes, bottom ash is typically used in aggregates production. But you want to extract the metals first, and sell them.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,526
    Battlebus said:

    Leon said:

    LET’S TALK ABOUT BOTTOMS

    I am at a waste to energy incinerator discussing the disposable of bottom ash if that helps.
    Don't use the "I" word. "Energy recovery facility" is the preferred terminology for plants that, er, incinerate waste.

    Is the site you are visiting considering retrofitting CCS, by any chance?
    Carbon capture is above my pay grade. I am merely advising on optimal disposal of bottom ash and the potential for salvaging ferrous and non ferrous residues.
    Doesn't the bottom ash go into road building as a base? We could fill a lot of potholes with it.
    Some does. It depends what is being burned. If highly calorific "clean burn" material like solvents as a cement kiln fuel for example, and that ash can be sold to be added to the cement product. Most domestic bottom ash goes to landfill because it is contaminated by all sorts of old rubbish residue, otherwise further expensive sorting is required, although there are facilities that will do that.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,030
    Taz said:

    MaxPB said:

    Trump has really lost it right? I mean beyond standard insane. He's gone completely off the rails with the whole Nobel prize bullshit.

    I believe the correct terminology is "Gone Full Tonto"
    Pants on his head and pencil up each nostril ?
    Pants on head is just your basic wibble before going over the top to certain death.

    Full Tonto is several orders of magnitude beyond that.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,383
    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Foss said:

    Leon said:

    I specifically asked if we could TALK ABOUT BOTTOMS and yet what do get? Not a peep - especially from the Centrist Dads

    For me, this speaks volumes. This forum would rather talk about anything, literally anything - NATO, Tory politics, political betting, Brexit, Greenland, Gaza

    But bottoms? Nada

    Fine. Do fat bottomed girls make the rockin’ world go ‘round?
    Now you’re just lowering the tone

    I meant a serious discussion

    Ok. If PB is unprepared to address this in an adult way. Let’s ask an even bigger question: how much would you pay to avoid giving oral sex to Lord Heseltine?
    At his rather advanced years surely it’s moot point as he would be unlikely to get aroused ?
    That’s why, for me, the price would be pretty high. You’d have to really work at it
    I went to an all-boys' school. One of the subjects we discussed during lunch break was "would you let a grown man roger you for a million pounds?". Purely on a hypothetical basis, of course :lol:
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,138
    viewcode said:

    If anybody really wants to listen to Starmer's speech, it is here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx2k7gv0znmt

    I have a genuine problem with listening to Starmer speak: his whiny voice means I forget what he says a few moments after he says it, so I am in no position to say whether it was good or bad. So I'll leave that up to you.

    My prejudices regarding his character lead me to think it'll be bad: perhaps somebody can persuade me otherwise but looking at the comments so far I doubt it.

    His voice physically distresses me. No joke. I get a kind of psychic nausea, feel genuinely queasy, and have to turn it off

    He’s the first actual human being to suffer from the Uncanny Valley effect
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,633

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Foss said:

    Leon said:

    I specifically asked if we could TALK ABOUT BOTTOMS and yet what do get? Not a peep - especially from the Centrist Dads

    For me, this speaks volumes. This forum would rather talk about anything, literally anything - NATO, Tory politics, political betting, Brexit, Greenland, Gaza

    But bottoms? Nada

    Fine. Do fat bottomed girls make the rockin’ world go ‘round?
    Now you’re just lowering the tone

    I meant a serious discussion

    Ok. If PB is unprepared to address this in an adult way. Let’s ask an even bigger question: how much would you pay to avoid giving oral sex to Lord Heseltine?
    At his rather advanced years surely it’s moot point as he would be unlikely to get aroused ?
    That’s why, for me, the price would be pretty high. You’d have to really work at it
    I went to an all-boys' school. One of the subjects we discussed during lunch break was "would you let a grown man roger you for a million pounds?". Purely on a hypothetical basis, of course :lol:
    Surely the formulation is normally "Would you let a grown man roger you for one pound? No? Ok, then how about for one million? Yes? Ok then you're just haggling over the price..."
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,442
    Nov 8 2024...

    We need to distract the GOP into focusing on very stupid, but way less damaging policies like building the border wall and buying Greenland.
    https://x.com/electionsjoe/status/1854678864695349724
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,346
    edited 1:21PM
    algarkirk said:

    viewcode said:

    If anybody really wants to listen to Starmer's speech, it is here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx2k7gv0znmt

    I have a genuine problem with listening to Starmer speak: his whiny voice means I forget what he says a few moments after he says it, so I am in no position to say whether it was good or bad. So I'll leave that up to you.

    My prejudices regarding his character lead me to think it'll be bad: perhaps somebody can persuade me otherwise but looking at the comments so far I doubt it.

    The style, not the voice, that Starmer seems unable to avoid is the same as Major. Bathos. Addressing the nation this morning on a major threat to world peace and world order and 80 years of western foreign and military policy he did OK, but can't avoid drifting off into domestic stuff about the cost of living and prices at the pumps or cones hotlines or something. He is absolutely anti-climactic. "Lower gas prices and breakfast clubs in our time".

    OTOH thirty years on Major is still quite well regarded. Perhaps Starmer will be too.

    If the tool his father made continues to equivocate and European leaders ask him to choose between them and Trump, sadly, I don’t know which way he will jump. Does anyone know whether Lord North’s father was a toolmaker?
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,050
    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    Battlebus said:

    Truss’s disastrous tenure as prime minister destroyed the savings of tens of thousands of people in this country.

    I'm curious as to how that supposedly happened ?

    Thinking back to the Truss interlude I'm pretty sure my net wealth increased - the lower level of sterling causing the value of my investments and pensions to increase.

    I do wonder how many politicians have any idea about personal finances work for normal people.

    As opposed to politicians whose personal finances depend on generous expenses, a final salary pension scheme and mysterious donations from dubious people.

    It was the increase in mortgage rates that’s the issue.
    Mortgages are the opposite of savings though.

    Higher mortgage rates also mean higher savings rates.

    And interest rates were rising before Truss, after Truss, are set by the Bank of England and rose across the world.

    I wonder if BobbyJ was overextended on his mortgage ?

    This is not to defend Truss, whose economic strategy was complete bollox.
    It would be somewhat an oddity for Truss's idea of borrowing more while cutting taxes to become mainstream.

    Those wishing to invest in somewhere other than the US (and their bubble market) could finance a renaissance in UK DIB to become the alternative supplier of choice for weapons. Seems like a good punt for personal investment too.

    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/british-ultra-heavy-lift-drone-extends-range-to-2000km/

    and

    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/britains-new-drone-helicopter-takes-first-flight/


    There are clearly still lots of really smart engineers in Britain who can do great things if the country gets behind them.

    Britain needs British businesses to invest in engineering excellence instead of sweating assets to increase dividend payments. How do we create that change?
    Offer businesses more incentives/tax reliefs to invest in R&D and Universities are a great place for potential R&D development. Fund more of them. For starters.

    Businesses need to make a profit and paying a dividend is not a bad thing as long as there is sufficient cover. Far from it. Some companies see it as a matter of pride to annually increase their dividend payments.
    You have to get from R&D to industrial production.

    But certainly, tax incentives are a small part of that.
    Hence why I said ‘for starters’ it was not meant as an exhaustive list.

    Businesses will only do what is strategically in their interest. Universities can be a little more creative.

    Scalability is an issue, as is potential demand. I used to have suppliers come to me with new products and new developments and we had no interest. They had not done voice of the customer.

    I worked in industry for many years including new product development and new plant/capital to support it.

    And you have to sweat assets to get the payback.
    The point is that we've had numerous schemes, over several decades, to incentivise R&D.
    They've done very little indeed to shift the dial on the deindustrialisation that's been ongoing since the 80s.
    Why would they ? deindustrialisation has been something we have been, as a nation, comfortable with and newly developed products will go abroad.

    We’ve been happy to offshore manufacturing and let it go really for most of my life.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,220
    eek said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Donald Trump's letter to the Norwegian prime minister.

    "Dear Jonas:
    Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America. Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia or China, and why do they have a “right of ownership” anyway? There are no written documents, it’s only that a boat landed there hundreds of years ago, but we had boats landing there, also. I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now, NATO should do something for the United States. The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland.
    Thank you!
    President DJT"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/01/19/trump-taking-greenland-is-revenge-for-no-nobel-peace-prize/

    So, that's genuine, not a skit from Saturday Night Live?
    Unbelievable, they need to invoke the 25th amendment.
    Such a toddler tantrum.
    Problem there is Trump is the Devil we know, Vance is the Devil we don't know and could well be worse - remember what Vance was like with Zelenskyy the first time Zelenskyy went to the White House..
    Simple solution: indict Trump and Vance together. You make Mike Johnson President as next in line. He'd be shit, but not as shit as Trump or Vance.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,346

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Foss said:

    Leon said:

    I specifically asked if we could TALK ABOUT BOTTOMS and yet what do get? Not a peep - especially from the Centrist Dads

    For me, this speaks volumes. This forum would rather talk about anything, literally anything - NATO, Tory politics, political betting, Brexit, Greenland, Gaza

    But bottoms? Nada

    Fine. Do fat bottomed girls make the rockin’ world go ‘round?
    Now you’re just lowering the tone

    I meant a serious discussion

    Ok. If PB is unprepared to address this in an adult way. Let’s ask an even bigger question: how much would you pay to avoid giving oral sex to Lord Heseltine?
    At his rather advanced years surely it’s moot point as he would be unlikely to get aroused ?
    That’s why, for me, the price would be pretty high. You’d have to really work at it
    I went to an all-boys' school. One of the subjects we discussed during lunch break was "would you let a grown man roger you for a million pounds?". Purely on a hypothetical basis, of course :lol:
    That’s a lot of money to pay to get rogered!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,138
    Scott_xP said:

    @normcharlatan.bsky.social‬

    Honestly boycotting the World Cup would be the most effective and probably the least disruptive of all of the options available to Europe. I’m not sure how you can send teams and fans to contribute to a spectacle designed entirely to celebrate a guy trying to invade your territory.

    I agree with this

    The Americans are really excited about the World Cup. I just did a World Cup road trip to 3 different hosting cities - LA, SF, Seattle. It’s a big deal, commercially, culturally, socially. Trump is cosy with FIFA, he wants a grand spectacle, etc

    If all the European teams pulled out that would totally ruin the tournament, lose lots of money for lots of people, and be a real slap in the face for Trump

    Bit tough on Mexico and Canada, but if Europe REALLY wants to hurt Trump and demonstrate some soft power, this is it. There is nothing else as potent
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,109
    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Classic of the genre.

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2012927850169418071
    KARL: Watch this video of a woman who says she's disabled getting dealt with by ICE. What do you think when you see this stuff?

    McCAUL: Well, the optics aren't good

    KARL: I mean, they smashed the window of her car and threw her to the ground

    McCAUL: It appears to be a little overzealous, but what about the actions of the murderers and drug traffickers?

    Are ICE recruiting murderers and drug traffickers directly now?
    Almost certainly
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,526
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    LET’S TALK ABOUT BOTTOMS

    I am at a waste to energy incinerator discussing the disposable of bottom ash if that helps.
    Don't use the "I" word. "Energy recovery facility" is the preferred terminology for plants that, er, incinerate waste.

    Is the site you are visiting considering retrofitting CCS, by any chance?
    Carbon capture is above my pay grade. I am merely advising on optimal disposal of bottom ash and the potential for salvaging ferrous and non ferrous residues.
    "bottom ash" sounds like a euphamism for ass-crack dandruff...
    We are on the verge of returning to Leon's original request which I am circling around.

    Think of your wood burner and the ash that falls to the bottom but on an industrial scale.
    But can’t you just put that on the garden as a fertiliser ?
    Potash for the roses. Yes, as a municipal householder from your wood burner, but don't tell the Environment Agency if you run a waste to energy facility. As a permitted site you would need mobile land spreading permits, deployment permissions and it would probably need to be in a liquid state, i.e. mixed with other stuff. The ph levels of the soil would be taken account of in the deployment plan too.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,442
    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    Battlebus said:

    Truss’s disastrous tenure as prime minister destroyed the savings of tens of thousands of people in this country.

    I'm curious as to how that supposedly happened ?

    Thinking back to the Truss interlude I'm pretty sure my net wealth increased - the lower level of sterling causing the value of my investments and pensions to increase.

    I do wonder how many politicians have any idea about personal finances work for normal people.

    As opposed to politicians whose personal finances depend on generous expenses, a final salary pension scheme and mysterious donations from dubious people.

    It was the increase in mortgage rates that’s the issue.
    Mortgages are the opposite of savings though.

    Higher mortgage rates also mean higher savings rates.

    And interest rates were rising before Truss, after Truss, are set by the Bank of England and rose across the world.

    I wonder if BobbyJ was overextended on his mortgage ?

    This is not to defend Truss, whose economic strategy was complete bollox.
    It would be somewhat an oddity for Truss's idea of borrowing more while cutting taxes to become mainstream.

    Those wishing to invest in somewhere other than the US (and their bubble market) could finance a renaissance in UK DIB to become the alternative supplier of choice for weapons. Seems like a good punt for personal investment too.

    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/british-ultra-heavy-lift-drone-extends-range-to-2000km/

    and

    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/britains-new-drone-helicopter-takes-first-flight/


    There are clearly still lots of really smart engineers in Britain who can do great things if the country gets behind them.

    Britain needs British businesses to invest in engineering excellence instead of sweating assets to increase dividend payments. How do we create that change?
    Offer businesses more incentives/tax reliefs to invest in R&D and Universities are a great place for potential R&D development. Fund more of them. For starters.

    Businesses need to make a profit and paying a dividend is not a bad thing as long as there is sufficient cover. Far from it. Some companies see it as a matter of pride to annually increase their dividend payments.
    You have to get from R&D to industrial production.

    But certainly, tax incentives are a small part of that.
    Hence why I said ‘for starters’ it was not meant as an exhaustive list.

    Businesses will only do what is strategically in their interest. Universities can be a little more creative.

    Scalability is an issue, as is potential demand. I used to have suppliers come to me with new products and new developments and we had no interest. They had not done voice of the customer.

    I worked in industry for many years including new product development and new plant/capital to support it.

    And you have to sweat assets to get the payback.
    The point is that we've had numerous schemes, over several decades, to incentivise R&D.
    They've done very little indeed to shift the dial on the deindustrialisation that's been ongoing since the 80s.
    Why would they ? deindustrialisation has been something we have been, as a nation, comfortable with and newly developed products will go abroad.

    We’ve been happy to offshore manufacturing and let it go really for most of my life.
    Yes, that's the point.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,175

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Foss said:

    Leon said:

    I specifically asked if we could TALK ABOUT BOTTOMS and yet what do get? Not a peep - especially from the Centrist Dads

    For me, this speaks volumes. This forum would rather talk about anything, literally anything - NATO, Tory politics, political betting, Brexit, Greenland, Gaza

    But bottoms? Nada

    Fine. Do fat bottomed girls make the rockin’ world go ‘round?
    Now you’re just lowering the tone

    I meant a serious discussion

    Ok. If PB is unprepared to address this in an adult way. Let’s ask an even bigger question: how much would you pay to avoid giving oral sex to Lord Heseltine?
    At his rather advanced years surely it’s moot point as he would be unlikely to get aroused ?
    That’s why, for me, the price would be pretty high. You’d have to really work at it
    I went to an all-boys' school. One of the subjects we discussed during lunch break was "would you let a grown man roger you for a million pounds?". Purely on a hypothetical basis, of course :lol:
    Was this a lunchtime debate club? If so, I think the teacher in charge will be in the newspapers soon or already.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,442
    Japan accuses the U.S. of failing to deliver $6.9B in military equipment, with 118 FMS contracts delayed over five years, forcing reliance on older gear and leaving critical systems like the E-2D Hawkeye unsupported despite advance payments.
    https://x.com/Defence_Index/status/2013104910708195334

    Obvious shared interest with Europe.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,050
    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Foss said:

    Leon said:

    I specifically asked if we could TALK ABOUT BOTTOMS and yet what do get? Not a peep - especially from the Centrist Dads

    For me, this speaks volumes. This forum would rather talk about anything, literally anything - NATO, Tory politics, political betting, Brexit, Greenland, Gaza

    But bottoms? Nada

    Fine. Do fat bottomed girls make the rockin’ world go ‘round?
    Now you’re just lowering the tone

    I meant a serious discussion

    Ok. If PB is unprepared to address this in an adult way. Let’s ask an even bigger question: how much would you pay to avoid giving oral sex to Lord Heseltine?
    At his rather advanced years surely it’s moot point as he would be unlikely to get aroused ?
    That’s why, for me, the price would be pretty high. You’d have to really work at it
    What if you couldn’t get it aroused ?

    You’d spend hours manipulating a geriatric todger for nothing ? On the plus side you wouldn’t have to perform the oral pleasuring, I guess, so that would be a load off your mind, unless you like that sort of thing.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,329
    edited 1:25PM
    Fucking hell, Mandelson on World At One sanewashing Trump’s current shite. His rehabilitation didn’t take long.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,749
    edited 1:29PM

    Truss’s disastrous tenure as prime minister destroyed the savings of tens of thousands of people in this country.

    I'm curious as to how that supposedly happened ?

    Thinking back to the Truss interlude I'm pretty sure my net wealth increased - the lower level of sterling causing the value of my investments and pensions to increase.

    I do wonder how many politicians have any idea about personal finances work for normal people.

    As opposed to politicians whose personal finances depend on generous expenses, a final salary pension scheme and mysterious donations from dubious people.

    It was the increase in mortgage rates that’s the issue.
    On Topic. And I am not standing up for Truss here, but the true political history of what happened. Out of the two points of view in the header, Jenrick’s is far closer to fiction, and rewriting history. Once the party membership installed Truss ahead of Sunak, there were so many Tory MPs not remotely prepared to put up with that. The actual budget did very little, it was a £12B giveaway with all the stealth threshold tax in it - but this was misreported by all the media, opposition parties, and crucially at same time, so many in the Conservative Party siding with the media’s and opposition parties un true viewpoint as a giveaway splurge causing market meltdown. In reality markets go up and down, and it was not a wild splurge budget. Just one measure, borrowed from Keir Starmer and Labour, promise of £250B of government handouts to offset energy costs, spooked the markets because of the amount of borrowing involved.
    That is the true history of what happened. Truss was undermined and removed by her own parties MPs, who wanted the far more capable and electable Rishi Sunak as PM, not her mistakes as PM, as the budget had no real medium or long term hits in it - Hunt removed the £250B spending promise/policy on his day 1 and the markets instantly went from erupting to dormant volcano.
    As it turned out, neither capable nor electable. But that's the analytical capability of Tory MPs for you.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,367
    I have some sympathy for Starmer. UK policy has been based around being close to the Americans since at least 1940. We deluded ourselves that we had influence over them when we usually didn't. Even after Suez this was a comfortable and comforting delusion. To accept that is all at an end is deeply disappointing.

    But it is. To threaten another NATO member with an invasion is completely and utterly unacceptable. NATO has been staggering for a while. This is a knock out blow and a leader being honest with us would have to admit that rather than wishing it were not so. Starmer did not do that this morning. He no doubt thought that this was not in our interests. I respect his position but I also respectfully disagree.

    We need to disengage from the US. We don't need to shout to the rooftops about it, we don't need to make a fuss and we don't need to do it all tomorrow. But we do need to get on with it. The terms of engagement have changed. Uncomfortable, unfortunate, expensive but necessary. We simply cannot assume that Trump is 4 years of madness and then things go back to normal. He has far too much support for that.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,526
    Mandelson apologises on WATO for being an Epstein c***! Nice one Ed!

    WATO is a million times better with Stourton than it is with the useless Montague or Dimond.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,233
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    LET’S TALK ABOUT BOTTOMS

    I am at a waste to energy incinerator discussing the disposable of bottom ash if that helps.
    Don't use the "I" word. "Energy recovery facility" is the preferred terminology for plants that, er, incinerate waste.

    Is the site you are visiting considering retrofitting CCS, by any chance?
    Carbon capture is above my pay grade. I am merely advising on optimal disposal of bottom ash and the potential for salvaging ferrous and non ferrous residues.
    "bottom ash" sounds like a euphamism for ass-crack dandruff...
    We are on the verge of returning to Leon's original request which I am circling around.

    Think of your wood burner and the ash that falls to the bottom but on an industrial scale.
    But can’t you just put that on the garden as a fertiliser ?
    Years ago, ash from the Byker incinerator was used to make paths on some allotments in Newcastle. The only problem was that toxic heavy metals leached out of the ash into the soil where folk were growing their vegetables.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,233

    viewcode said:

    If anybody really wants to listen to Starmer's speech, it is here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx2k7gv0znmt

    I have a genuine problem with listening to Starmer speak: his whiny voice means I forget what he says a few moments after he says it, so I am in no position to say whether it was good or bad. So I'll leave that up to you.

    My prejudices regarding his character lead me to think it'll be bad: perhaps somebody can persuade me otherwise but looking at the comments so far I doubt it.

    Annoying voice
    No charisma
    Beholden to Trump
    Keep Calmer, Vote Davey?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,220

    viewcode said:

    If anybody really wants to listen to Starmer's speech, it is here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx2k7gv0znmt

    I have a genuine problem with listening to Starmer speak: his whiny voice means I forget what he says a few moments after he says it, so I am in no position to say whether it was good or bad. So I'll leave that up to you.

    My prejudices regarding his character lead me to think it'll be bad: perhaps somebody can persuade me otherwise but looking at the comments so far I doubt it.

    Annoying voice
    No charisma
    Beholden to Trump
    Keep Calmer, Vote Davey?
    Where's the Gravy, Vote Davey
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,774
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @normcharlatan.bsky.social‬

    Honestly boycotting the World Cup would be the most effective and probably the least disruptive of all of the options available to Europe. I’m not sure how you can send teams and fans to contribute to a spectacle designed entirely to celebrate a guy trying to invade your territory.

    I agree with this

    The Americans are really excited about the World Cup. I just did a World Cup road trip to 3 different hosting cities - LA, SF, Seattle. It’s a big deal, commercially, culturally, socially. Trump is cosy with FIFA, he wants a grand spectacle, etc

    If all the European teams pulled out that would totally ruin the tournament, lose lots of money for lots of people, and be a real slap in the face for Trump

    Bit tough on Mexico and Canada, but if Europe REALLY wants to hurt Trump and demonstrate some soft power, this is it. There is nothing else as potent
    Boycotting the World Cup might annoy Trump but then either USA wins, which will please him no end (and remember his favourite son is a fan) or a South American team which might please voters in the diaspora communities.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,220
    Right, I'm off to have an oesophagogastroduodenoscopy. If I post anything later today, ignore me, I'll be on drugs.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,773
    I understand why Starmer gave that speech . But it’s still painful . The Trump administration will actively work to ensure Farage wins the next GE . And Starmer has to stand there continuing this pathetic charade.

  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,109

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    LET’S TALK ABOUT BOTTOMS

    I am at a waste to energy incinerator discussing the disposable of bottom ash if that helps.
    Don't use the "I" word. "Energy recovery facility" is the preferred terminology for plants that, er, incinerate waste.

    Is the site you are visiting considering retrofitting CCS, by any chance?
    Carbon capture is above my pay grade. I am merely advising on optimal disposal of bottom ash and the potential for salvaging ferrous and non ferrous residues.
    "bottom ash" sounds like a euphamism for ass-crack dandruff...
    We are on the verge of returning to Leon's original request which I am circling around.

    Think of your wood burner and the ash that falls to the bottom but on an industrial scale.
    But can’t you just put that on the garden as a fertiliser ?
    Years ago, ash from the Byker incinerator was used to make paths on some allotments in Newcastle. The only problem was that toxic heavy metals leached out of the ash into the soil where folk were growing their vegetables.
    Hence Ant and Dec
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,233

    Battlebus said:

    Leon said:

    LET’S TALK ABOUT BOTTOMS

    I am at a waste to energy incinerator discussing the disposable of bottom ash if that helps.
    Don't use the "I" word. "Energy recovery facility" is the preferred terminology for plants that, er, incinerate waste.

    Is the site you are visiting considering retrofitting CCS, by any chance?
    Carbon capture is above my pay grade. I am merely advising on optimal disposal of bottom ash and the potential for salvaging ferrous and non ferrous residues.
    Doesn't the bottom ash go into road building as a base? We could fill a lot of potholes with it.
    Some does. It depends what is being burned. If highly calorific "clean burn" material like solvents as a cement kiln fuel for example, and that ash can be sold to be added to the cement product. Most domestic bottom ash goes to landfill because it is contaminated by all sorts of old rubbish residue, otherwise further expensive sorting is required, although there are facilities that will do that.
    For the EfW I'm most familiar with (burning "black bag" waste) the bottom ash goes into aggregates.

    In cement kilns, the combustion ash is already mixed with the limestone and therefore goes into the cement clinker automatically. They can burn practically any old shite in cement kilns. If some of that fuel is biogenic in origin, it cuts down on CO2 emissions, and with CCS, you could in theory get carbon-negative cement.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,349

    Right, I'm off to have an oesophagogastroduodenoscopy. If I post anything later today, ignore me, I'll be on drugs.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esophagogastroduodenoscopy
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,526
    nico67 said:

    I understand why Starmer gave that speech . But it’s still painful . The Trump administration will actively work to ensure Farage wins the next GE . And Starmer has to stand there continuing this pathetic charade.

    His problem is a fecked economy* is further fecked by tit-for-tat tariffs.

    * Another Brexit bonus.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,186
    nico67 said:

    I understand why Starmer gave that speech . But it’s still painful . The Trump administration will actively work to ensure Farage wins the next GE . And Starmer has to stand there continuing this pathetic charade.

    The Trump admin will be gone by May 2029.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,316
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @normcharlatan.bsky.social‬

    Honestly boycotting the World Cup would be the most effective and probably the least disruptive of all of the options available to Europe. I’m not sure how you can send teams and fans to contribute to a spectacle designed entirely to celebrate a guy trying to invade your territory.

    I agree with this

    The Americans are really excited about the World Cup. I just did a World Cup road trip to 3 different hosting cities - LA, SF, Seattle. It’s a big deal, commercially, culturally, socially. Trump is cosy with FIFA, he wants a grand spectacle, etc

    If all the European teams pulled out that would totally ruin the tournament, lose lots of money for lots of people, and be a real slap in the face for Trump

    Bit tough on Mexico and Canada, but if Europe REALLY wants to hurt Trump and demonstrate some soft power, this is it. There is nothing else as potent
    It would piss him off even more if we could continue the World Cup but just delete the USA bit and play all games in Canada and Mexico. Maybe with the final in Venezuela.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,599
    MaxPB said:

    nico67 said:

    I understand why Starmer gave that speech . But it’s still painful . The Trump administration will actively work to ensure Farage wins the next GE . And Starmer has to stand there continuing this pathetic charade.

    The Trump admin will be gone by May 2029.
    We hope.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,599

    Right, I'm off to have an oesophagogastroduodenoscopy. If I post anything later today, ignore me, I'll be on drugs.

    Best wishes.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,233
    Dopermean said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    LET’S TALK ABOUT BOTTOMS

    I am at a waste to energy incinerator discussing the disposable of bottom ash if that helps.
    Don't use the "I" word. "Energy recovery facility" is the preferred terminology for plants that, er, incinerate waste.

    Is the site you are visiting considering retrofitting CCS, by any chance?
    Carbon capture is above my pay grade. I am merely advising on optimal disposal of bottom ash and the potential for salvaging ferrous and non ferrous residues.
    "bottom ash" sounds like a euphamism for ass-crack dandruff...
    We are on the verge of returning to Leon's original request which I am circling around.

    Think of your wood burner and the ash that falls to the bottom but on an industrial scale.
    But can’t you just put that on the garden as a fertiliser ?
    Years ago, ash from the Byker incinerator was used to make paths on some allotments in Newcastle. The only problem was that toxic heavy metals leached out of the ash into the soil where folk were growing their vegetables.
    Hence Ant and Dec
    (Un)interesting fact: Byker Grove was not set in Byker.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,346

    Right, I'm off to have an oesophagogastroduodenoscopy. If I post anything later today, ignore me, I'll be on drugs.

    Hope all goes well. If offered, accept sedation. Check they have cleaned the camera if they previously used it for a colonoscopy!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,526
    edited 1:48PM

    Battlebus said:

    Leon said:

    LET’S TALK ABOUT BOTTOMS

    I am at a waste to energy incinerator discussing the disposable of bottom ash if that helps.
    Don't use the "I" word. "Energy recovery facility" is the preferred terminology for plants that, er, incinerate waste.

    Is the site you are visiting considering retrofitting CCS, by any chance?
    Carbon capture is above my pay grade. I am merely advising on optimal disposal of bottom ash and the potential for salvaging ferrous and non ferrous residues.
    Doesn't the bottom ash go into road building as a base? We could fill a lot of potholes with it.
    Some does. It depends what is being burned. If highly calorific "clean burn" material like solvents as a cement kiln fuel for example, and that ash can be sold to be added to the cement product. Most domestic bottom ash goes to landfill because it is contaminated by all sorts of old rubbish residue, otherwise further expensive sorting is required, although there are facilities that will do that.
    For the EfW I'm most familiar with (burning "black bag" waste) the bottom ash goes into aggregates.

    In cement kilns, the combustion ash is already mixed with the limestone and therefore goes into the cement clinker automatically. They can burn practically any old shite in cement kilns. If some of that fuel is biogenic in origin, it cuts down on CO2 emissions, and with CCS, you could in theory get carbon-negative cement.
    The cemfuel burns hot and clean. The clean bottom ash is then mixed with thee limestone. We were sending highly calorific solvent materials to be blended as cemfuel. So long as it has a calorific value it goes in the pot.

    The municipal waste to energy facilities I deal with tend to landfill bottom ash complete with metal content. Even with higher rate landfill tax it is generally a cheaper option.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,233

    nico67 said:

    I understand why Starmer gave that speech . But it’s still painful . The Trump administration will actively work to ensure Farage wins the next GE . And Starmer has to stand there continuing this pathetic charade.

    His problem is a fecked economy* is further fecked by tit-for-tat tariffs.

    * Another Brexit bonus.
    I'm in favour of putting tariffs on tat. Less sure about the former.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,220
    viewcode said:

    Right, I'm off to have an oesophagogastroduodenoscopy. If I post anything later today, ignore me, I'll be on drugs.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esophagogastroduodenoscopy
    I'm having a British one, so it starts with an "o". At times like this, we must resist US imperialism!
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,959
    algarkirk said:

    viewcode said:

    If anybody really wants to listen to Starmer's speech, it is here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx2k7gv0znmt

    I have a genuine problem with listening to Starmer speak: his whiny voice means I forget what he says a few moments after he says it, so I am in no position to say whether it was good or bad. So I'll leave that up to you.

    My prejudices regarding his character lead me to think it'll be bad: perhaps somebody can persuade me otherwise but looking at the comments so far I doubt it.

    The style, not the voice, that Starmer seems unable to avoid is the same as Major. Bathos. Addressing the nation this morning on a major threat to world peace and world order and 80 years of western foreign and military policy he did OK, but can't avoid drifting off into domestic stuff about the cost of living and prices at the pumps or cones hotlines or something. He is absolutely anti-climactic. "Lower gas prices and breakfast clubs in our time".

    OTOH thirty years on Major is still quite well regarded. Perhaps Starmer will be too.

    Starmer (& Sunak) were preceded by Johnson and Truss and will be followed by Farage. The comparison will flatter S&S to a degree that is not warranted.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,233

    Battlebus said:

    Leon said:

    LET’S TALK ABOUT BOTTOMS

    I am at a waste to energy incinerator discussing the disposable of bottom ash if that helps.
    Don't use the "I" word. "Energy recovery facility" is the preferred terminology for plants that, er, incinerate waste.

    Is the site you are visiting considering retrofitting CCS, by any chance?
    Carbon capture is above my pay grade. I am merely advising on optimal disposal of bottom ash and the potential for salvaging ferrous and non ferrous residues.
    Doesn't the bottom ash go into road building as a base? We could fill a lot of potholes with it.
    Some does. It depends what is being burned. If highly calorific "clean burn" material like solvents as a cement kiln fuel for example, and that ash can be sold to be added to the cement product. Most domestic bottom ash goes to landfill because it is contaminated by all sorts of old rubbish residue, otherwise further expensive sorting is required, although there are facilities that will do that.
    For the EfW I'm most familiar with (burning "black bag" waste) the bottom ash goes into aggregates.

    In cement kilns, the combustion ash is already mixed with the limestone and therefore goes into the cement clinker automatically. They can burn practically any old shite in cement kilns. If some of that fuel is biogenic in origin, it cuts down on CO2 emissions, and with CCS, you could in theory get carbon-negative cement.
    The cemfuel burns hot and clean. The clean bottom ash is then mixed with thee limestone. We were sending highly calorific solvent materials to be blended as cemfuel. So long as it has a calorific value it goes in the pot.

    The municipal waste to energy facilities I deal with tend to landfill bottom ash complete with metal content. Even with higher rate landfill tax it is generally a cheaper option.
    This is getting dangerously close to a work meeting, so best we end it there!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,633

    viewcode said:

    Right, I'm off to have an oesophagogastroduodenoscopy. If I post anything later today, ignore me, I'll be on drugs.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esophagogastroduodenoscopy
    I'm having a British one, so it starts with an "o". At times like this, we must resist US imperialism!
    Quite. I'm teaching breast cancer this year and it will definitely be Oestrogen, not Estrogen.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,599

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Foss said:

    Leon said:

    I specifically asked if we could TALK ABOUT BOTTOMS and yet what do get? Not a peep - especially from the Centrist Dads

    For me, this speaks volumes. This forum would rather talk about anything, literally anything - NATO, Tory politics, political betting, Brexit, Greenland, Gaza

    But bottoms? Nada

    Fine. Do fat bottomed girls make the rockin’ world go ‘round?
    Now you’re just lowering the tone

    I meant a serious discussion

    Ok. If PB is unprepared to address this in an adult way. Let’s ask an even bigger question: how much would you pay to avoid giving oral sex to Lord Heseltine?
    At his rather advanced years surely it’s moot point as he would be unlikely to get aroused ?
    That’s why, for me, the price would be pretty high. You’d have to really work at it
    I went to an all-boys' school. One of the subjects we discussed during lunch break was "would you let a grown man roger you for a million pounds?". Purely on a hypothetical basis, of course :lol:
    Good heavens.
  • MaxPB said:

    Trump has really lost it right? I mean beyond standard insane. He's gone completely off the rails with the whole Nobel prize bullshit.

    It says something about the general tenor of your previous recent posts, that I'm genuinely relieved to see you say this :)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,138

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @normcharlatan.bsky.social‬

    Honestly boycotting the World Cup would be the most effective and probably the least disruptive of all of the options available to Europe. I’m not sure how you can send teams and fans to contribute to a spectacle designed entirely to celebrate a guy trying to invade your territory.

    I agree with this

    The Americans are really excited about the World Cup. I just did a World Cup road trip to 3 different hosting cities - LA, SF, Seattle. It’s a big deal, commercially, culturally, socially. Trump is cosy with FIFA, he wants a grand spectacle, etc

    If all the European teams pulled out that would totally ruin the tournament, lose lots of money for lots of people, and be a real slap in the face for Trump

    Bit tough on Mexico and Canada, but if Europe REALLY wants to hurt Trump and demonstrate some soft power, this is it. There is nothing else as potent
    Boycotting the World Cup might annoy Trump but then either USA wins, which will please him no end (and remember his favourite son is a fan) or a South American team which might please voters in the diaspora communities.
    No, it would totally ruin the tournament. 80% of the best teams and players are European

    It would be a commercially devastating boycott. No one would fucking care worldwide. No Mbappe, no Bellingham, no Dembele, no Kane, no Yamal, no Saka. No England, France, Spain, Germany

    Worst World Cup EVAH. It would genuinely hurt

    But the Europeans haven’t got the cullions to do it. I’d love if it if they did, if only to fuck off FIFA as WELL as Trump, two birds, one stone
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,442
    What fucking security umbrella, you arse ?

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2012898103351771355
    WELKER: Is Greenland or NATO more essential to US national security?

    BESSENT: That's obviously a false choice

    WELKER: Not from the perspective of European leaders

    BESSENT: European leaders will come around and understand they need to be under the US security umbrella. What would happen in Ukraine if the US pulled its support out? The whole thing would collapse.



  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,039
    Scott_xP said:

    The Danes have binned their trip to Davos

    That'll probably save them some money.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,526
    edited 1:54PM

    Battlebus said:

    Leon said:

    LET’S TALK ABOUT BOTTOMS

    I am at a waste to energy incinerator discussing the disposable of bottom ash if that helps.
    Don't use the "I" word. "Energy recovery facility" is the preferred terminology for plants that, er, incinerate waste.

    Is the site you are visiting considering retrofitting CCS, by any chance?
    Carbon capture is above my pay grade. I am merely advising on optimal disposal of bottom ash and the potential for salvaging ferrous and non ferrous residues.
    Doesn't the bottom ash go into road building as a base? We could fill a lot of potholes with it.
    Some does. It depends what is being burned. If highly calorific "clean burn" material like solvents as a cement kiln fuel for example, and that ash can be sold to be added to the cement product. Most domestic bottom ash goes to landfill because it is contaminated by all sorts of old rubbish residue, otherwise further expensive sorting is required, although there are facilities that will do that.
    For the EfW I'm most familiar with (burning "black bag" waste) the bottom ash goes into aggregates.

    In cement kilns, the combustion ash is already mixed with the limestone and therefore goes into the cement clinker automatically. They can burn practically any old shite in cement kilns. If some of that fuel is biogenic in origin, it cuts down on CO2 emissions, and with CCS, you could in theory get carbon-negative cement.
    The cemfuel burns hot and clean. The clean bottom ash is then mixed with thee limestone. We were sending highly calorific solvent materials to be blended as cemfuel. So long as it has a calorific value it goes in the pot.

    The municipal waste to energy facilities I deal with tend to landfill bottom ash complete with metal content. Even with higher rate landfill tax it is generally a cheaper option.
    This is getting dangerously close to a work meeting, so best we end it there!
    We have nonetheless fulfilled Leon's requirement for discussing bottom. Although a far duller conversation than he envisaged.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,138

    Battlebus said:

    Leon said:

    LET’S TALK ABOUT BOTTOMS

    I am at a waste to energy incinerator discussing the disposable of bottom ash if that helps.
    Don't use the "I" word. "Energy recovery facility" is the preferred terminology for plants that, er, incinerate waste.

    Is the site you are visiting considering retrofitting CCS, by any chance?
    Carbon capture is above my pay grade. I am merely advising on optimal disposal of bottom ash and the potential for salvaging ferrous and non ferrous residues.
    Doesn't the bottom ash go into road building as a base? We could fill a lot of potholes with it.
    Some does. It depends what is being burned. If highly calorific "clean burn" material like solvents as a cement kiln fuel for example, and that ash can be sold to be added to the cement product. Most domestic bottom ash goes to landfill because it is contaminated by all sorts of old rubbish residue, otherwise further expensive sorting is required, although there are facilities that will do that.
    For the EfW I'm most familiar with (burning "black bag" waste) the bottom ash goes into aggregates.

    In cement kilns, the combustion ash is already mixed with the limestone and therefore goes into the cement clinker automatically. They can burn practically any old shite in cement kilns. If some of that fuel is biogenic in origin, it cuts down on CO2 emissions, and with CCS, you could in theory get carbon-negative cement.
    You see?

    That’s why I said LET’S TALK ABOUT BOTTOMS

    I felt the PB chat was getting a bit bogged down in arcane and boring stuff, and now here we are, as a result of my BOTTOMS intervention, gassing away happily about cement clinkers and limestone ash combustion
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,383

    Right, I'm off to have an oesophagogastroduodenoscopy. If I post anything later today, ignore me, I'll be on drugs.

    Best wishes!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,526
    We have been complaining at Starmer's Trump adjacency all morning. Justin Webb on R4 takes it up several notches of bollocks!
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 410
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @normcharlatan.bsky.social‬

    Honestly boycotting the World Cup would be the most effective and probably the least disruptive of all of the options available to Europe. I’m not sure how you can send teams and fans to contribute to a spectacle designed entirely to celebrate a guy trying to invade your territory.

    I agree with this

    The Americans are really excited about the World Cup. I just did a World Cup road trip to 3 different hosting cities - LA, SF, Seattle. It’s a big deal, commercially, culturally, socially. Trump is cosy with FIFA, he wants a grand spectacle, etc

    If all the European teams pulled out that would totally ruin the tournament, lose lots of money for lots of people, and be a real slap in the face for Trump

    Bit tough on Mexico and Canada, but if Europe REALLY wants to hurt Trump and demonstrate some soft power, this is it. There is nothing else as potent
    What would hurt FIFA more financially, is sponsors pulling out

    But as most of them are American, its not going to happen
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