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The worm that turned? – politicalbetting.com

I don’t expect Robert Jenrick to defect any time soon, my logic is based on the assumption despite Kemi Badenoch’s ratings the Tories are still going to be shellacked senseless in next May’s elections.

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  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,980
    Are you Tories in disguise?
    Or not?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,100
    dixiedean said:

    Are you Tories in disguise?
    Or not?

    Well...


  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,106
    On topic !!!

    Have we done Christopher Harborne's £9 million donation to Reform?

    https://www.ft.com/content/db73535f-7d9d-4586-b53a-a690d3b0e36d
  • MattW said:

    On topic !!!

    Have we done Christopher Harborne's £9 million donation to Reform?

    https://www.ft.com/content/db73535f-7d9d-4586-b53a-a690d3b0e36d

    Depends how they use it. It will probably be used sending correspondence by mail to postal voters prior to election expenses kicking in wih said correspondence featuring Farage prominently. Whether that is a good use of funds I doubt.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,998
    MattW said:

    On topic !!!

    Have we done Christopher Harborne's £9 million donation to Reform?

    https://www.ft.com/content/db73535f-7d9d-4586-b53a-a690d3b0e36d

    From wiki:

    "In November 2022, Harborne donated £1 million to The Office of Boris Johnson Ltd, one of the biggest donations ever made to an individual British politician.[13] Boris Johnson awarded Qinetiq, a company in which Harborne was the largest single shareholder, with a £80m MoD contract in January 2023."
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,106
    It's a bit reminiscent of the noughties when Da Tory Parliamentary Youth Wing were Bill Hague and Seb Coe.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,030
    Averaging the 8 pollsters (F o N, Yougov, Focaldata, BMG, Freshwater, JL Partners, Opinium, M IC) gives:

    Ref UK 29.6%, Labour 19.8%, Con 19.4%, Green 12.9%, 12.5%.

    That gives Reform 366, Labour 94, Lib Dem 59, SNP 45, Con 34, Green 15.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,067

    MattW said:

    On topic !!!

    Have we done Christopher Harborne's £9 million donation to Reform?

    https://www.ft.com/content/db73535f-7d9d-4586-b53a-a690d3b0e36d

    From wiki:

    "In November 2022, Harborne donated £1 million to The Office of Boris Johnson Ltd, one of the biggest donations ever made to an individual British politician.[13] Boris Johnson awarded Qinetiq, a company in which Harborne was the largest single shareholder, with a £80m MoD contract in January 2023."
    Britain Trump.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,426

    MattW said:

    On topic !!!

    Have we done Christopher Harborne's £9 million donation to Reform?

    https://www.ft.com/content/db73535f-7d9d-4586-b53a-a690d3b0e36d

    From wiki:

    "In November 2022, Harborne donated £1 million to The Office of Boris Johnson Ltd, one of the biggest donations ever made to an individual British politician.[13] Boris Johnson awarded Qinetiq, a company in which Harborne was the largest single shareholder, with a £80m MoD contract in January 2023."
    One thing that is frankly amazing is that people enamoured by Boris seem to be drawn to Farage and vice-versa even though the realities of their (Possible in the case of Farage and historical in Boris' case) governance likely couldn't be more different especially regarding migration - which is the key issue for most people drawn to both I'd say.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,822
    Tiny Dancer is going fucking nowhere while it looks the Kemrod MRA4 project is getting the chop after next May's locals. If he loses the subsequent leadership stoush to "Clever"ly then he might want a free transfer to the Fukkers. It'd be win-win because it raises the average IQ of both parties.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,874

    MattW said:

    On topic !!!

    Have we done Christopher Harborne's £9 million donation to Reform?

    https://www.ft.com/content/db73535f-7d9d-4586-b53a-a690d3b0e36d

    Depends how they use it. It will probably be used sending correspondence by mail to postal voters prior to election expenses kicking in wih said correspondence featuring Farage prominently. Whether that is a good use of funds I doubt.
    Not so sure - a lot of the target audiences don't do social media, in part thanks to age. Particularly the Tory/Reform borderlands, given the Tory demographic.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,103
    I've been beginning to vaguely plan my route for my walk in the Spring

    The places I've chosen on the way are mostly (other than Nantes and la Rochelle) to guide the route where I wanted it to go, rather than places I particularly want to see

    I decided to go on the West bank before Bordeaux because I don't want to walk through Bordeaux, and I recognise more place names there

    Is there anything really good that I'm missing on that route?



    On Google Maps
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,693
    New poll

    Ref 31%
    Con 20%
    Grn 18%
    Lab 14%
    LD 11%
    SNP 3%

    https://x.com/PolliticoUK/status/1996572559756640274
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,100

    MattW said:

    On topic !!!

    Have we done Christopher Harborne's £9 million donation to Reform?

    https://www.ft.com/content/db73535f-7d9d-4586-b53a-a690d3b0e36d

    From wiki:

    "In November 2022, Harborne donated £1 million to The Office of Boris Johnson Ltd, one of the biggest donations ever made to an individual British politician.[13] Boris Johnson awarded Qinetiq, a company in which Harborne was the largest single shareholder, with a £80m MoD contract in January 2023."
    Britain Trump.
    See that’s misleading. Qinetiq has had lots of MOD contracts long before Boris Johnson became PM and will continue to do so after he left Number 10.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,100
    Dura_Ace said:

    Tiny Dancer is going fucking nowhere while it looks the Kemrod MRA4 project is getting the chop after next May's locals. If he loses the subsequent leadership stoush to "Clever"ly then he might want a free transfer to the Fukkers. It'd be win-win because it raises the average IQ of both parties.

    Welcome back.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,998
    Pulpstar said:

    MattW said:

    On topic !!!

    Have we done Christopher Harborne's £9 million donation to Reform?

    https://www.ft.com/content/db73535f-7d9d-4586-b53a-a690d3b0e36d

    From wiki:

    "In November 2022, Harborne donated £1 million to The Office of Boris Johnson Ltd, one of the biggest donations ever made to an individual British politician.[13] Boris Johnson awarded Qinetiq, a company in which Harborne was the largest single shareholder, with a £80m MoD contract in January 2023."
    One thing that is frankly amazing is that people enamoured by Boris seem to be drawn to Farage and vice-versa even though the realities of their (Possible in the case of Farage and historical in Boris' case) governance likely couldn't be more different especially regarding migration - which is the key issue for most people drawn to both I'd say.
    This chap has got migration sorted, he has moved to Thailand and also goes by the name Chakrit Sakunkrit.

    Had previously given £10m to the Brexit Party.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,133

    MattW said:

    On topic !!!

    Have we done Christopher Harborne's £9 million donation to Reform?

    https://www.ft.com/content/db73535f-7d9d-4586-b53a-a690d3b0e36d

    From wiki:

    "In November 2022, Harborne donated £1 million to The Office of Boris Johnson Ltd, one of the biggest donations ever made to an individual British politician.[13] Boris Johnson awarded Qinetiq, a company in which Harborne was the largest single shareholder, with a £80m MoD contract in January 2023."
    Like India losing the toss twenty times in succession, that is pure happenstance.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,067

    MattW said:

    On topic !!!

    Have we done Christopher Harborne's £9 million donation to Reform?

    https://www.ft.com/content/db73535f-7d9d-4586-b53a-a690d3b0e36d

    From wiki:

    "In November 2022, Harborne donated £1 million to The Office of Boris Johnson Ltd, one of the biggest donations ever made to an individual British politician.[13] Boris Johnson awarded Qinetiq, a company in which Harborne was the largest single shareholder, with a £80m MoD contract in January 2023."
    Britain Trump.
    See that’s misleading. Qinetiq has had lots of MOD contracts long before Boris Johnson became PM and will continue to do so after he left Number 10.
    That is because Qinetiq was MOD research until privatised.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,067
    edited 2:45PM

    I've been beginning to vaguely plan my route for my walk in the Spring

    The places I've chosen on the way are mostly (other than Nantes and la Rochelle) to guide the route where I wanted it to go, rather than places I particularly want to see

    I decided to go on the West bank before Bordeaux because I don't want to walk through Bordeaux, and I recognise more place names there

    Is there anything really good that I'm missing on that route?



    On Google Maps

    Bordeaux?

    And do you like pine forests?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,133
    The anonymous postings on X from (claimed) GDLS whistleblowers are either complete invention, or evidence of large scale corporate fraud.

    https://x.com/MilitaryBanter/status/1996330350889357562
    "I am an anonymous General Dynamics Employee (ex army) I've seen your recent post about the AJAX. The project being 8 years overdue is not even half of it:
    - Vehicles regularly come off the production line with circa 150 faults on them.
    - We can't even build the vehicles to meet the test standard which we came up with ourselves. If the Army finds too many failures they will either change the test so that the vehicle passes every time or the management will scurry off to the civil servants from DE&S that work on site to ask them to sign a "concession" for the vehicle to leave the factory and arrive at it's new unit with said faults on the vehicle (even though it's brand new).
    - We have working for us a number of ex army guys, one a them an ex REME ****** who's sole job seems to be to argue with the soldiers when they find faults with the vehicles and try to find a way of telling them they're wrong and essentially get us (General Dynamics) out of fixing the vehicle
    - General Dynamics upper management set impossible targets which we fail to meet ourselves, even after reducing the target a few times before the deadline. What the impact of this on the soldiers on site is that in December for example (our most recent missed target) was they forced the soldiers to wait around on site for approx 16 hours a day just so that they could sign off any faults as and when we repair them, failing this our managers would get the spineless morons from the civil service would just sign a concession (meaning the tank can leave our factory and go to the army with faults still on it)
    - I hear that a large portion of the relatively small team of soldiers have signed off, the unit is about the size of a platoon and it seems that most of the guys I speak to have had enough.
    - General Dynamics management will force the whole team of soldiers to come in all weekend at a moments notice just because we have 1 guy working overtime.
    - As an ex soldier myself seeing how General Dynamics management abuse the fact that soldiers essentially don't have any employment rights is painful to watch, if the Soldiers refuse to work ridiculous hours of overtime or multiple weekends straight our senior managers who have the email addresses of high up officers in Army HQ will directly contact them and force the soldiers into work.
    - Sometimes when a vehicle has passed inspection and the Army now owns it, our low level managers at General Dynamics will encourage us to rob parts off it to repair one that has failed an inspection.
    - I felt the need to write this to you as an ex army guy myself I think that the actions of the company I work for (General Dynamics) towards the soldiers are completely wrong and they are also robbing the tax payer."
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,705
    So one poll has the Greens on 9% and another on 18% . Very strange .
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,542
    edited 2:49PM

    MattW said:

    On topic !!!

    Have we done Christopher Harborne's £9 million donation to Reform?

    https://www.ft.com/content/db73535f-7d9d-4586-b53a-a690d3b0e36d

    From wiki:

    "In November 2022, Harborne donated £1 million to The Office of Boris Johnson Ltd, one of the biggest donations ever made to an individual British politician.[13] Boris Johnson awarded Qinetiq, a company in which Harborne was the largest single shareholder, with a £80m MoD contract in January 2023."
    Britain Trump.
    See that’s misleading. Qinetiq has had lots of MOD contracts long before Boris Johnson became PM and will continue to do so after he left Number 10.
    That is because Qinetiq was MOD research until privatised.
    The privatisation itself was where things were a little "interesting" financially.

    Selling off DERA did seem a bit weird at the time.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,100
    nico67 said:

    So one poll has the Greens on 9% and another on 18% . Very strange .

    It’s not, I need to finish the thread on this, my expectation right now the Greens are on 12% but in an election that would come down to 8%.

    What’s driving the Green surge is likelihood to vote, Labour voters are about 60% certain to vote Labour in an election tomorrow but about 90% certain to vote Labour in a 2029 general election, the opposite is true for Green voters.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,693
    nico67 said:

    So one poll has the Greens on 9% and another on 18% . Very strange .

    Most have them on about 12-14%. Which is probably the true situation.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,103
    Battlebus said:

    I've been beginning to vaguely plan my route for my walk in the Spring

    The places I've chosen on the way are mostly (other than Nantes and la Rochelle) to guide the route where I wanted it to go, rather than places I particularly want to see

    I decided to go on the West bank before Bordeaux because I don't want to walk through Bordeaux, and I recognise more place names there

    Is there anything really good that I'm missing on that route?



    On Google Maps

    Bordeaux?

    And do you like pine forests?
    I really didn't like Bordeaux when I spent a few hours there before my flight two walks ago (when I'd accidentally missed my Biarritz flight)

    Forests aren't great for views, but they're rather welcome on very hot or wet days
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,822
    Nigelb said:

    The anonymous postings on X from (claimed) GDLS whistleblowers are either complete invention, or evidence of large scale corporate fraud.

    https://x.com/MilitaryBanter/status/1996330350889357562
    "I am an anonymous General Dynamics Employee (ex army) I've seen your recent post about the AJAX. The project being 8 years overdue is not even half of it:
    - Vehicles regularly come off the production line with circa 150 faults on them.
    - We can't even build the vehicles to meet the test standard which we came up with ourselves. If the Army finds too many failures they will either change the test so that the vehicle passes every time or the management will scurry off to the civil servants from DE&S that work on site to ask them to sign a "concession" for the vehicle to leave the factory and arrive at it's new unit with said faults on the vehicle (even though it's brand new).
    - We have working for us a number of ex army guys, one a them an ex REME ****** who's sole job seems to be to argue with the soldiers when they find faults with the vehicles and try to find a way of telling them they're wrong and essentially get us (General Dynamics) out of fixing the vehicle
    - General Dynamics upper management set impossible targets which we fail to meet ourselves, even after reducing the target a few times before the deadline. What the impact of this on the soldiers on site is that in December for example (our most recent missed target) was they forced the soldiers to wait around on site for approx 16 hours a day just so that they could sign off any faults as and when we repair them, failing this our managers would get the spineless morons from the civil service would just sign a concession (meaning the tank can leave our factory and go to the army with faults still on it)
    - I hear that a large portion of the relatively small team of soldiers have signed off, the unit is about the size of a platoon and it seems that most of the guys I speak to have had enough.
    - General Dynamics management will force the whole team of soldiers to come in all weekend at a moments notice just because we have 1 guy working overtime.
    - As an ex soldier myself seeing how General Dynamics management abuse the fact that soldiers essentially don't have any employment rights is painful to watch, if the Soldiers refuse to work ridiculous hours of overtime or multiple weekends straight our senior managers who have the email addresses of high up officers in Army HQ will directly contact them and force the soldiers into work.
    - Sometimes when a vehicle has passed inspection and the Army now owns it, our low level managers at General Dynamics will encourage us to rob parts off it to repair one that has failed an inspection.
    - I felt the need to write this to you as an ex army guy myself I think that the actions of the company I work for (General Dynamics) towards the soldiers are completely wrong and they are also robbing the tax payer."

    Hegseth/Driscoll cancelled the American version (M10) after 26 deliveries but then GDLS managed to keep the 50mm gun version in the MICV program to replace the Bradley. It'll be chortlesome if they manage to win it.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,975

    nico67 said:

    So one poll has the Greens on 9% and another on 18% . Very strange .

    It’s not, I need to finish the thread on this, my expectation right now the Greens are on 12% but in an election that would come down to 8%.

    What’s driving the Green surge is likelihood to vote, Labour voters are about 60% certain to vote Labour in an election tomorrow but about 90% certain to vote Labour in a 2029 general election, the opposite is true for Green voters.
    My guess for 2029 is the Greens may get double figures, but not much more than that. Counter-intuitively YORP may get more seats than Greens because YORP vote is geographically concentrated, despite Green outpolling YORP
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,275
    edited 2:58PM
    Pulpstar said:

    MattW said:

    On topic !!!

    Have we done Christopher Harborne's £9 million donation to Reform?

    https://www.ft.com/content/db73535f-7d9d-4586-b53a-a690d3b0e36d

    From wiki:

    "In November 2022, Harborne donated £1 million to The Office of Boris Johnson Ltd, one of the biggest donations ever made to an individual British politician.[13] Boris Johnson awarded Qinetiq, a company in which Harborne was the largest single shareholder, with a £80m MoD contract in January 2023."
    One thing that is frankly amazing is that people enamoured by Boris seem to be drawn to Farage and vice-versa even though the realities of their (Possible in the case of Farage and historical in Boris' case) governance likely couldn't be more different especially regarding migration - which is the key issue for most people drawn to both I'd say.
    Two things, I'd say.

    For voters it's the 'not like normal politicians' shtick - aka confusing showmanship and a loose tongue with authenticity.

    For large donors the near certainty that with operators like Johnson and Farage the £££ will be reciprocated unabashedly with favours and influence.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,426

    Battlebus said:

    I've been beginning to vaguely plan my route for my walk in the Spring

    The places I've chosen on the way are mostly (other than Nantes and la Rochelle) to guide the route where I wanted it to go, rather than places I particularly want to see

    I decided to go on the West bank before Bordeaux because I don't want to walk through Bordeaux, and I recognise more place names there

    Is there anything really good that I'm missing on that route?



    On Google Maps

    Bordeaux?

    And do you like pine forests?
    I really didn't like Bordeaux when I spent a few hours there before my flight two walks ago (when I'd accidentally missed my Biarritz flight)

    Forests aren't great for views, but they're rather welcome on very hot or wet days
    Looks fab, if I didn't have any commitments I'd join you :D
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,543
    Pulpstar said:

    MattW said:

    On topic !!!

    Have we done Christopher Harborne's £9 million donation to Reform?

    https://www.ft.com/content/db73535f-7d9d-4586-b53a-a690d3b0e36d

    From wiki:

    "In November 2022, Harborne donated £1 million to The Office of Boris Johnson Ltd, one of the biggest donations ever made to an individual British politician.[13] Boris Johnson awarded Qinetiq, a company in which Harborne was the largest single shareholder, with a £80m MoD contract in January 2023."
    One thing that is frankly amazing is that people enamoured by Boris seem to be drawn to Farage and vice-versa even though the realities of their (Possible in the case of Farage and historical in Boris' case) governance likely couldn't be more different especially regarding migration - which is the key issue for most people drawn to both I'd say.
    To be fair, the current success of Reform rests on the back of the Boriswave.
  • CumberlandGapCumberlandGap Posts: 340

    MattW said:

    On topic !!!

    Have we done Christopher Harborne's £9 million donation to Reform?

    https://www.ft.com/content/db73535f-7d9d-4586-b53a-a690d3b0e36d

    From wiki:

    "In November 2022, Harborne donated £1 million to The Office of Boris Johnson Ltd, one of the biggest donations ever made to an individual British politician.[13] Boris Johnson awarded Qinetiq, a company in which Harborne was the largest single shareholder, with a £80m MoD contract in January 2023."
    Don't trust wiki, or people who post blindly from there. Boris left office in Sept 2022!
    And Boris wouldn't have awarded a contract to anyone. Ministers do not award contracts. For obvious reasons.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,067
    The Rest is Entertainment discusses politicians on HIGNFY
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCC9syMrdFI
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,133
    Interesting Foreign Affairs article.

    The West’s Last Chance
    How to Build a New Global Order Before It’s Too Late
    Alexander Stubb
    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/wests-last-chance
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,493
    edited 3:22PM

    I've been beginning to vaguely plan my route for my walk in the Spring

    The places I've chosen on the way are mostly (other than Nantes and la Rochelle) to guide the route where I wanted it to go, rather than places I particularly want to see

    I decided to go on the West bank before Bordeaux because I don't want to walk through Bordeaux, and I recognise more place names there

    Is there anything really good that I'm missing on that route?



    On Google Maps

    It would be a shame to miss Cognac (plot the course via Segonzac). Lovely vine-strewn rolling landscape. But it would lead you to the right bank. And worth heading a little outside Nantes to cross the Muscadet Sevre et Maine or Cotes de Grandlieu (a big lake) vineyards.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,100
    edited 3:24PM
    I’m not sure why Middlesex are allowed to play as the county doesn’t exist.

    Crisis club Middlesex begin plan to move away from Lord’s

    Exclusive: County take step towards private ownership amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive


    Middlesex have taken the first step towards private ownership to fund a new home away from Lord’s.

    The crisis-plagued county have told members they are actively exploring demutualisation after being plunged into fresh turmoil amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive.

    Andrew Cornish was absent from a meeting with members on Tuesday at which the club began a formal consultation over becoming just the fourth first-class county to go private.

    Chairman Richard Sykes told Telegraph Sport that Cornish was “on a leave of absence”, adding: “The Cricket Regulator is involved and I can’t say more than that.”

    The investigation into Cornish, who has denied any wrongdoing, is unrelated to demutualisation. But the timing could hardly be worse for the 161-year-old club as they look to join Durham, Northamptonshire and Hampshire in becoming privately owned.

    As tenants of Marylebone Cricket Club at Lord’s, Middlesex are unique among the 18 counties as they do not own their home ground. This means they are unable to make money through non-cricket activities such as conferencing and events.

    They play at a series of outgrounds such as Merchant Taylors’ School, Richmond and Radlett, but have long sought a “home away from home” to provide stability and generate income. Sykes believes the only way to raise the funds for this is via demutualisation.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/12/02/middlesex-county-cricket-club-plan-move-away-lords-private/
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,874

    I’m not sure why Middlesex are allowed to play as the county doesn’t exist.

    Crisis club Middlesex begin plan to move away from Lord’s

    Exclusive: County take step towards private ownership amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive


    Middlesex have taken the first step towards private ownership to fund a new home away from Lord’s.

    The crisis-plagued county have told members they are actively exploring demutualisation after being plunged into fresh turmoil amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive.

    Andrew Cornish was absent from a meeting with members on Tuesday at which the club began a formal consultation over becoming just the fourth first-class county to go private.

    Chairman Richard Sykes told Telegraph Sport that Cornish was “on a leave of absence”, adding: “The Cricket Regulator is involved and I can’t say more than that.”

    The investigation into Cornish, who has denied any wrongdoing, is unrelated to demutualisation. But the timing could hardly be worse for the 161-year-old club as they look to join Durham, Northamptonshire and Hampshire in becoming privately owned.

    As tenants of Marylebone Cricket Club at Lord’s, Middlesex are unique among the 18 counties as they do not own their home ground. This means they are unable to make money through non-cricket activities such as conferencing and events.

    They play at a series of outgrounds such as Merchant Taylors’ School, Richmond and Radlett, but have long sought a “home away from home” to provide stability and generate income. Sykes believes the only way to raise the funds for this is via demutualisation.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/12/02/middlesex-county-cricket-club-plan-move-away-lords-private/

    Er, how about Yorkshire?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,908

    MattW said:

    On topic !!!

    Have we done Christopher Harborne's £9 million donation to Reform?

    https://www.ft.com/content/db73535f-7d9d-4586-b53a-a690d3b0e36d

    From wiki:

    "In November 2022, Harborne donated £1 million to The Office of Boris Johnson Ltd, one of the biggest donations ever made to an individual British politician.[13] Boris Johnson awarded Qinetiq, a company in which Harborne was the largest single shareholder, with a £80m MoD contract in January 2023."
    Don't trust wiki, or people who post blindly from there. Boris left office in Sept 2022!
    And Boris wouldn't have awarded a contract to anyone. Ministers do not award contracts. For obvious reasons.
    No, they just get their mates on the PPE fast track gravy train.


    (If a gravy train is on the fast track, there may be a risk of the gravy spilling when it goes over a set of points.)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,100
    Carnyx said:

    I’m not sure why Middlesex are allowed to play as the county doesn’t exist.

    Crisis club Middlesex begin plan to move away from Lord’s

    Exclusive: County take step towards private ownership amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive


    Middlesex have taken the first step towards private ownership to fund a new home away from Lord’s.

    The crisis-plagued county have told members they are actively exploring demutualisation after being plunged into fresh turmoil amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive.

    Andrew Cornish was absent from a meeting with members on Tuesday at which the club began a formal consultation over becoming just the fourth first-class county to go private.

    Chairman Richard Sykes told Telegraph Sport that Cornish was “on a leave of absence”, adding: “The Cricket Regulator is involved and I can’t say more than that.”

    The investigation into Cornish, who has denied any wrongdoing, is unrelated to demutualisation. But the timing could hardly be worse for the 161-year-old club as they look to join Durham, Northamptonshire and Hampshire in becoming privately owned.

    As tenants of Marylebone Cricket Club at Lord’s, Middlesex are unique among the 18 counties as they do not own their home ground. This means they are unable to make money through non-cricket activities such as conferencing and events.

    They play at a series of outgrounds such as Merchant Taylors’ School, Richmond and Radlett, but have long sought a “home away from home” to provide stability and generate income. Sykes believes the only way to raise the funds for this is via demutualisation.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/12/02/middlesex-county-cricket-club-plan-move-away-lords-private/

    Er, how about Yorkshire?
    We still exist.
  • PJHPJH Posts: 983
    I see my MP is second in the list. I'm surprised he hasn't gone already as it would require absolutely no change of opinion by him on any policy at all.

    Except that I understand the local branch of Reform has loads of people who have fallen out with him over the years, which makes me wonder if he'd be reselected if he defected.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,100
    I agree with Ed Miliband, he’s showing the quality to be our next Prime Minister.

    Ed Miliband attacks ‘ignorant’ SNP for blocking nuclear power

    Energy Secretary urges Scots to summon their ‘inner Yimby’ in search for new reactor sites


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/12/04/ed-miliband-attacks-ignorant-snp-for-blocking-nuclear/
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,493
    While we’re on French long distance walks (or cycle rides) there is a fantastic route that nobody seems to take which crosses half of the country’s famous vineyards. I’ve driven it a lot but it’s perfect for slower travel.

    Start in the Southern edges of Champagne in Aube, then it’s practically a straight line of almost unbroken vineyardery through the cote de nuits, cote de beaune, cote châlonnaise, Maçonnais, the Beaujolais crus, beaujolais pierres dorées (prettiest part of the route), condrieu, cote rôtie, st Joseph, hermitage, with an extension of you’re feeling fit into the Southern Rhone.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,103
    TimS said:

    I've been beginning to vaguely plan my route for my walk in the Spring

    The places I've chosen on the way are mostly (other than Nantes and la Rochelle) to guide the route where I wanted it to go, rather than places I particularly want to see

    I decided to go on the West bank before Bordeaux because I don't want to walk through Bordeaux, and I recognise more place names there

    Is there anything really good that I'm missing on that route?



    On Google Maps

    It would be a shame to miss Cognac (plot the course via Segonzac). Lovely vine-strewn rolling landscape. But it would lead you to the right bank. And worth heading a little outside Nantes to cross the Muscadet Sevre et Maine or Cotes de Grandlieu (a big lake) vineyards.
    It looks lovely around Segonzac, but that adds a couple of days to the walk if I do avoid Bordeaux

    Cotes de Grandlieu looks a great diversion on the way out of Nantes
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,026

    MattW said:

    On topic !!!

    Have we done Christopher Harborne's £9 million donation to Reform?

    https://www.ft.com/content/db73535f-7d9d-4586-b53a-a690d3b0e36d

    From wiki:

    "In November 2022, Harborne donated £1 million to The Office of Boris Johnson Ltd, one of the biggest donations ever made to an individual British politician.[13] Boris Johnson awarded Qinetiq, a company in which Harborne was the largest single shareholder, with a £80m MoD contract in January 2023."
    Don't trust wiki, or people who post blindly from there. Boris left office in Sept 2022!
    And Boris wouldn't have awarded a contract to anyone. Ministers do not award contracts. For obvious reasons.
    The idea that Boris "awarded" a defence contract to Qinetiq is laughable. Do people really fall for this stuff? Qinetiq are one of the leading UK defence contractors and have significant ties to the government given that it's a state spin off.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,353
    edited 3:34PM

    I've been beginning to vaguely plan my route for my walk in the Spring

    The places I've chosen on the way are mostly (other than Nantes and la Rochelle) to guide the route where I wanted it to go, rather than places I particularly want to see

    I decided to go on the West bank before Bordeaux because I don't want to walk through Bordeaux, and I recognise more place names there

    Is there anything really good that I'm missing on that route?



    On Google Maps

    I have cycled most of that. It was my favourite trip. Do you remember me recommending the Basque tart (careful) and Basque drink to you? Both of which you said you enjoyed previously.

    You could walk to the west of Arcachon bay and get the ferry across and then walk past the Dunes of Pilat which are really worth seeing. The pine forest there is magnificent and you are entirely alone when going through it.

    There is a very large rocket testing area that you need to avoid. Can't remember exactly where, but I nearly tried to cycle through it. You are likely to get shot if you try.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,908

    I agree with Ed Miliband, he’s showing the quality to be our next Prime Minister.

    Ed Miliband attacks ‘ignorant’ SNP for blocking nuclear power

    Energy Secretary urges Scots to summon their ‘inner Yimby’ in search for new reactor sites


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/12/04/ed-miliband-attacks-ignorant-snp-for-blocking-nuclear/

    We've already got too much power generation in Scotland, and insufficient grid capacity to move the electrons down to England. Put the nukes in the Home Counties.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,450
    Farage puts the BBC on the naughty step for asking about allegations about him at Dulwich College
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,558

    I agree with Ed Miliband, he’s showing the quality to be our next Prime Minister.

    Ed Miliband attacks ‘ignorant’ SNP for blocking nuclear power

    Energy Secretary urges Scots to summon their ‘inner Yimby’ in search for new reactor sites


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/12/04/ed-miliband-attacks-ignorant-snp-for-blocking-nuclear/

    Opposition to nuclear power should be declared a hate crime against the French.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,103
    kjh said:

    I've been beginning to vaguely plan my route for my walk in the Spring

    The places I've chosen on the way are mostly (other than Nantes and la Rochelle) to guide the route where I wanted it to go, rather than places I particularly want to see

    I decided to go on the West bank before Bordeaux because I don't want to walk through Bordeaux, and I recognise more place names there

    Is there anything really good that I'm missing on that route?



    On Google Maps

    I have cycled most of that. It was my favourite trip. Do you remember me recommending the Basque tart (careful) and Basque drink to you?

    You could walk to the west of Arcachon bay and get the ferry across and then walk past the Dunes of Pilat which are really worth seeing. The pine forest there is magnificent and you are entirely alone when going through it.

    There is a very large rocket testing area that you need to avoid. Can't remember exactly where, but I nearly tried to cycle through it. You are likely to get shot if you try.
    I very happily remember your Basque advice. A fine recommendation that I much enjoyed

    I’ll try to see Arachon and Pilat
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,133

    Carnyx said:

    I’m not sure why Middlesex are allowed to play as the county doesn’t exist.

    Crisis club Middlesex begin plan to move away from Lord’s

    Exclusive: County take step towards private ownership amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive


    Middlesex have taken the first step towards private ownership to fund a new home away from Lord’s.

    The crisis-plagued county have told members they are actively exploring demutualisation after being plunged into fresh turmoil amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive.

    Andrew Cornish was absent from a meeting with members on Tuesday at which the club began a formal consultation over becoming just the fourth first-class county to go private.

    Chairman Richard Sykes told Telegraph Sport that Cornish was “on a leave of absence”, adding: “The Cricket Regulator is involved and I can’t say more than that.”

    The investigation into Cornish, who has denied any wrongdoing, is unrelated to demutualisation. But the timing could hardly be worse for the 161-year-old club as they look to join Durham, Northamptonshire and Hampshire in becoming privately owned.

    As tenants of Marylebone Cricket Club at Lord’s, Middlesex are unique among the 18 counties as they do not own their home ground. This means they are unable to make money through non-cricket activities such as conferencing and events.

    They play at a series of outgrounds such as Merchant Taylors’ School, Richmond and Radlett, but have long sought a “home away from home” to provide stability and generate income. Sykes believes the only way to raise the funds for this is via demutualisation.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/12/02/middlesex-county-cricket-club-plan-move-away-lords-private/

    Er, how about Yorkshire?
    We still exist.
    Well it would be hard to locate a ground in a place which didn't.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,874

    I agree with Ed Miliband, he’s showing the quality to be our next Prime Minister.

    Ed Miliband attacks ‘ignorant’ SNP for blocking nuclear power

    Energy Secretary urges Scots to summon their ‘inner Yimby’ in search for new reactor sites


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/12/04/ed-miliband-attacks-ignorant-snp-for-blocking-nuclear/

    We've already got too much power generation in Scotland, and insufficient grid capacity to move the electrons down to England. Put the nukes in the Home Counties.
    Then everyone can save on transmission charges. Not like now when *we* effectively get charged for exporting the stuff to the south-east.

    Mr Miliband really does not like local pricing, though.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,874
    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:

    I’m not sure why Middlesex are allowed to play as the county doesn’t exist.

    Crisis club Middlesex begin plan to move away from Lord’s

    Exclusive: County take step towards private ownership amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive


    Middlesex have taken the first step towards private ownership to fund a new home away from Lord’s.

    The crisis-plagued county have told members they are actively exploring demutualisation after being plunged into fresh turmoil amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive.

    Andrew Cornish was absent from a meeting with members on Tuesday at which the club began a formal consultation over becoming just the fourth first-class county to go private.

    Chairman Richard Sykes told Telegraph Sport that Cornish was “on a leave of absence”, adding: “The Cricket Regulator is involved and I can’t say more than that.”

    The investigation into Cornish, who has denied any wrongdoing, is unrelated to demutualisation. But the timing could hardly be worse for the 161-year-old club as they look to join Durham, Northamptonshire and Hampshire in becoming privately owned.

    As tenants of Marylebone Cricket Club at Lord’s, Middlesex are unique among the 18 counties as they do not own their home ground. This means they are unable to make money through non-cricket activities such as conferencing and events.

    They play at a series of outgrounds such as Merchant Taylors’ School, Richmond and Radlett, but have long sought a “home away from home” to provide stability and generate income. Sykes believes the only way to raise the funds for this is via demutualisation.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/12/02/middlesex-county-cricket-club-plan-move-away-lords-private/

    Er, how about Yorkshire?
    We still exist.
    Well it would be hard to locate a ground in a place which didn't.
    Lord's doesn't exist?
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,570

    Farage puts the BBC on the naughty step for asking about allegations about him at Dulwich College

    This is probably the most politically damaging situation Nigel has ever found himself in. Many Reform supporters are self-proclaimed Philosemites, so the allegations that their man was a vile Jew-baiter cannot be easily waved away. In fact, Nigel has even made himself vulnerable to anti-bigotry attacks from Tommy Robinson, which isn't optimal.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,215

    MattW said:

    On topic !!!

    Have we done Christopher Harborne's £9 million donation to Reform?

    https://www.ft.com/content/db73535f-7d9d-4586-b53a-a690d3b0e36d

    From wiki:

    "In November 2022, Harborne donated £1 million to The Office of Boris Johnson Ltd, one of the biggest donations ever made to an individual British politician.[13] Boris Johnson awarded Qinetiq, a company in which Harborne was the largest single shareholder, with a £80m MoD contract in January 2023."
    Don't trust wiki, or people who post blindly from there. Boris left office in Sept 2022!
    And Boris wouldn't have awarded a contract to anyone. Ministers do not award contracts. For obvious reasons.
    No, they just get their mates on the PPE fast track gravy train.


    (If a gravy train is on the fast track, there may be a risk of the gravy spilling when it goes over a set of points.)
    We have the finest politicians that money can buy...

    https://bylinetimes.com/2025/12/04/crypto-investor-donates-9-million-to-reform-uk-after-nigel-farage-plugs-his-company-and-tells-industry-i-am-your-champion/
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,100
    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:

    I’m not sure why Middlesex are allowed to play as the county doesn’t exist.

    Crisis club Middlesex begin plan to move away from Lord’s

    Exclusive: County take step towards private ownership amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive


    Middlesex have taken the first step towards private ownership to fund a new home away from Lord’s.

    The crisis-plagued county have told members they are actively exploring demutualisation after being plunged into fresh turmoil amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive.

    Andrew Cornish was absent from a meeting with members on Tuesday at which the club began a formal consultation over becoming just the fourth first-class county to go private.

    Chairman Richard Sykes told Telegraph Sport that Cornish was “on a leave of absence”, adding: “The Cricket Regulator is involved and I can’t say more than that.”

    The investigation into Cornish, who has denied any wrongdoing, is unrelated to demutualisation. But the timing could hardly be worse for the 161-year-old club as they look to join Durham, Northamptonshire and Hampshire in becoming privately owned.

    As tenants of Marylebone Cricket Club at Lord’s, Middlesex are unique among the 18 counties as they do not own their home ground. This means they are unable to make money through non-cricket activities such as conferencing and events.

    They play at a series of outgrounds such as Merchant Taylors’ School, Richmond and Radlett, but have long sought a “home away from home” to provide stability and generate income. Sykes believes the only way to raise the funds for this is via demutualisation.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/12/02/middlesex-county-cricket-club-plan-move-away-lords-private/

    Er, how about Yorkshire?
    We still exist.
    Well it would be hard to locate a ground in a place which didn't.
    Lord's doesn't exist?
    It does, but it no longer is in Middlex, Headingley exists but it is still in Yorkshire.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,450

    Farage puts the BBC on the naughty step for asking about allegations about him at Dulwich College

    This is probably the most politically damaging situation Nigel has ever found himself in. Many Reform supporters are self-proclaimed Philosemites, so the allegations that their man was a vile Jew-baiter cannot be easily waved away. In fact, Nigel has even made himself vulnerable to anti-bigotry attacks from Tommy Robinson, which isn't optimal.
    Listening to his attack on the BBC gave the impression that he 'protests too much' and the idea he could be PM just depresses me

    For all those hoping for the demise of the conservative party be careful.for what you wish for
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 297

    I agree with Ed Miliband, he’s showing the quality to be our next Prime Minister.

    Ed Miliband attacks ‘ignorant’ SNP for blocking nuclear power

    Energy Secretary urges Scots to summon their ‘inner Yimby’ in search for new reactor sites


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/12/04/ed-miliband-attacks-ignorant-snp-for-blocking-nuclear/

    Ed Miliband has previously been known to use his mystical powers to encourage Scots to vote Yes
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,067

    Farage puts the BBC on the naughty step for asking about allegations about him at Dulwich College

    This is probably the most politically damaging situation Nigel has ever found himself in. Many Reform supporters are self-proclaimed Philosemites, so the allegations that their man was a vile Jew-baiter cannot be easily waved away. In fact, Nigel has even made himself vulnerable to anti-bigotry attacks from Tommy Robinson, which isn't optimal.
    I'm not sure the matter of Farage's schoolboy politics has wings. I've not heard anyone offline mention it.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 297

    I agree with Ed Miliband, he’s showing the quality to be our next Prime Minister.

    Ed Miliband attacks ‘ignorant’ SNP for blocking nuclear power

    Energy Secretary urges Scots to summon their ‘inner Yimby’ in search for new reactor sites


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/12/04/ed-miliband-attacks-ignorant-snp-for-blocking-nuclear/

    We've already got too much power generation in Scotland, and insufficient grid capacity to move the electrons down to England. Put the nukes in the Home Counties.
    Capacity is a large part of why energy bills are going up again

    If it was big enough, the Principality of Sealand could host
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,089

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:

    I’m not sure why Middlesex are allowed to play as the county doesn’t exist.

    Crisis club Middlesex begin plan to move away from Lord’s

    Exclusive: County take step towards private ownership amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive


    Middlesex have taken the first step towards private ownership to fund a new home away from Lord’s.

    The crisis-plagued county have told members they are actively exploring demutualisation after being plunged into fresh turmoil amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive.

    Andrew Cornish was absent from a meeting with members on Tuesday at which the club began a formal consultation over becoming just the fourth first-class county to go private.

    Chairman Richard Sykes told Telegraph Sport that Cornish was “on a leave of absence”, adding: “The Cricket Regulator is involved and I can’t say more than that.”

    The investigation into Cornish, who has denied any wrongdoing, is unrelated to demutualisation. But the timing could hardly be worse for the 161-year-old club as they look to join Durham, Northamptonshire and Hampshire in becoming privately owned.

    As tenants of Marylebone Cricket Club at Lord’s, Middlesex are unique among the 18 counties as they do not own their home ground. This means they are unable to make money through non-cricket activities such as conferencing and events.

    They play at a series of outgrounds such as Merchant Taylors’ School, Richmond and Radlett, but have long sought a “home away from home” to provide stability and generate income. Sykes believes the only way to raise the funds for this is via demutualisation.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/12/02/middlesex-county-cricket-club-plan-move-away-lords-private/

    Er, how about Yorkshire?
    We still exist.
    Well it would be hard to locate a ground in a place which didn't.
    Lord's doesn't exist?
    It does, but it no longer is in Middlex, Headingley exists but it is still in Yorkshire.
    Why are Lancs allowed to play at Old Trafford? Why are Warwickshire allowed to play in Birmingham etc etc etc
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,860
    Have we done this yet? UK and Norway to deepen collaboration on protecting undersea cables:

    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-joins-norways-mine-warfare-mothership-project/
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,687

    I’m not sure why Middlesex are allowed to play as the county doesn’t exist.

    Crisis club Middlesex begin plan to move away from Lord’s

    Exclusive: County take step towards private ownership amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive


    Middlesex have taken the first step towards private ownership to fund a new home away from Lord’s.

    The crisis-plagued county have told members they are actively exploring demutualisation after being plunged into fresh turmoil amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive.

    Andrew Cornish was absent from a meeting with members on Tuesday at which the club began a formal consultation over becoming just the fourth first-class county to go private.

    Chairman Richard Sykes told Telegraph Sport that Cornish was “on a leave of absence”, adding: “The Cricket Regulator is involved and I can’t say more than that.”

    The investigation into Cornish, who has denied any wrongdoing, is unrelated to demutualisation. But the timing could hardly be worse for the 161-year-old club as they look to join Durham, Northamptonshire and Hampshire in becoming privately owned.

    As tenants of Marylebone Cricket Club at Lord’s, Middlesex are unique among the 18 counties as they do not own their home ground. This means they are unable to make money through non-cricket activities such as conferencing and events.

    They play at a series of outgrounds such as Merchant Taylors’ School, Richmond and Radlett, but have long sought a “home away from home” to provide stability and generate income. Sykes believes the only way to raise the funds for this is via demutualisation.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/12/02/middlesex-county-cricket-club-plan-move-away-lords-private/

    That will annoy the Hell out of my good friend, who’s only an MCCC member (of 30 years) because they play at Lord’s, and he can invite his guests and friends to walk around a very special place for 3/4 of the year.

    He’s nearly 50 and still at least a couple of decades away from his MCC membership.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,778
    Carnyx said:

    I agree with Ed Miliband, he’s showing the quality to be our next Prime Minister.

    Ed Miliband attacks ‘ignorant’ SNP for blocking nuclear power

    Energy Secretary urges Scots to summon their ‘inner Yimby’ in search for new reactor sites


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/12/04/ed-miliband-attacks-ignorant-snp-for-blocking-nuclear/

    We've already got too much power generation in Scotland, and insufficient grid capacity to move the electrons down to England. Put the nukes in the Home Counties.
    Then everyone can save on transmission charges. Not like now when *we* effectively get charged for exporting the stuff to the south-east.

    Mr Miliband really does not like local pricing, though.
    We should move to every town and city having its own mini-nuke generation capacity. It would also save on a significant amount of energy loss through transmission. Seriously, if they wanted to put one near my place I would have no issue at all.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,450
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,175
    @pippacrerar.bsky.social‬

    Tory spox: "Nigel Farage just called a press conference and used it to rant at journalists over historic allegations of racism and antisemitism - allegations he has just admitted are true."
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 297

    Carnyx said:

    I agree with Ed Miliband, he’s showing the quality to be our next Prime Minister.

    Ed Miliband attacks ‘ignorant’ SNP for blocking nuclear power

    Energy Secretary urges Scots to summon their ‘inner Yimby’ in search for new reactor sites


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/12/04/ed-miliband-attacks-ignorant-snp-for-blocking-nuclear/

    We've already got too much power generation in Scotland, and insufficient grid capacity to move the electrons down to England. Put the nukes in the Home Counties.
    Then everyone can save on transmission charges. Not like now when *we* effectively get charged for exporting the stuff to the south-east.

    Mr Miliband really does not like local pricing, though.
    We should move to every town and city having its own mini-nuke generation capacity. It would also save on a significant amount of energy loss through transmission. Seriously, if they wanted to put one near my place I would have no issue at all.
    We will end up paying fortunes for the upgrades from Beauly/Aberdeenshire down south

    The Anglesey nuclear plans seem to be hitting a problem with bird habitats ... similar issues have affected offshore wind but as nuclear isn't 'clean' it gets a rougher ride
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,175
    @mikeysmith

    I think that press conference is going to go down as one of Nigel Farage's biggest errors.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,778

    Farage puts the BBC on the naughty step for asking about allegations about him at Dulwich College

    This is probably the most politically damaging situation Nigel has ever found himself in. Many Reform supporters are self-proclaimed Philosemites, so the allegations that their man was a vile Jew-baiter cannot be easily waved away. In fact, Nigel has even made himself vulnerable to anti-bigotry attacks from Tommy Robinson, which isn't optimal.
    Listening to his attack on the BBC gave the impression that he 'protests too much' and the idea he could be PM just depresses me

    For all those hoping for the demise of the conservative party be careful.for what you wish for
    I think it comes under what may reasonably be described as 'a plague on both your houses'.

    Actually since I would include Labour, the Lib Dems, the Greens and the SNP as well, it is more accurately described as 'a plague on all your houses'.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,175
    @mkraju

    Rep. Jim Himes, top House Intel Dem
    who just got briefed on the double-tap strike by Admiral Bradley and chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff

    Himes told a group of us just now:

    “What I saw in that room was one of the most troubling things I've seen in my time in public service.”

    https://x.com/mkraju/status/1996601533803204846?s=20
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,450
    Scott_xP said:

    @pippacrerar.bsky.social‬

    Tory spox: "Nigel Farage just called a press conference and used it to rant at journalists over historic allegations of racism and antisemitism - allegations he has just admitted are true."

    Good for the conservatives to go on the attack on Farage
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,975
    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    On topic !!!

    Have we done Christopher Harborne's £9 million donation to Reform?

    https://www.ft.com/content/db73535f-7d9d-4586-b53a-a690d3b0e36d

    From wiki:

    "In November 2022, Harborne donated £1 million to The Office of Boris Johnson Ltd, one of the biggest donations ever made to an individual British politician.[13] Boris Johnson awarded Qinetiq, a company in which Harborne was the largest single shareholder, with a £80m MoD contract in January 2023."
    Don't trust wiki, or people who post blindly from there. Boris left office in Sept 2022!
    And Boris wouldn't have awarded a contract to anyone. Ministers do not award contracts. For obvious reasons.
    No, they just get their mates on the PPE fast track gravy train.


    (If a gravy train is on the fast track, there may be a risk of the gravy spilling when it goes over a set of points.)
    We have the finest politicians that money can buy...

    https://bylinetimes.com/2025/12/04/crypto-investor-donates-9-million-to-reform-uk-after-nigel-farage-plugs-his-company-and-tells-industry-i-am-your-champion/
    Unfortunately not. We seem to have mediocre politicians who can be bought for tuppence. If LeCarre wrote "Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy" today the spy would be a low-level cabinet member paid for by the Saudis/Israelis with bags of chips.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,874
    edited 4:09PM
    DoctorG said:

    Carnyx said:

    I agree with Ed Miliband, he’s showing the quality to be our next Prime Minister.

    Ed Miliband attacks ‘ignorant’ SNP for blocking nuclear power

    Energy Secretary urges Scots to summon their ‘inner Yimby’ in search for new reactor sites


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/12/04/ed-miliband-attacks-ignorant-snp-for-blocking-nuclear/

    We've already got too much power generation in Scotland, and insufficient grid capacity to move the electrons down to England. Put the nukes in the Home Counties.
    Then everyone can save on transmission charges. Not like now when *we* effectively get charged for exporting the stuff to the south-east.

    Mr Miliband really does not like local pricing, though.
    We should move to every town and city having its own mini-nuke generation capacity. It would also save on a significant amount of energy loss through transmission. Seriously, if they wanted to put one near my place I would have no issue at all.
    We will end up paying fortunes for the upgrades from Beauly/Aberdeenshire down south

    The Anglesey nuclear plans seem to be hitting a problem with bird habitats ... similar issues have affected offshore wind but as nuclear isn't 'clean' it gets a rougher ride
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgq5kx5k1qo

    Scottosh firms paying about 5.4bn out of the 28bn approved by Ofgem for grid improvements in the UK just now. Some for improving services in Scotland sure but quite a bit to export the stuff. With no local pricing. So we pay in our bills for some of the investment and pay even more to be level with the distant consumers, it seems. But against that savings are promised ... all very complex.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,450
    Scott_xP said:

    @mikeysmith

    I think that press conference is going to go down as one of Nigel Farage's biggest errors.

    It was astonishing and did him no favours
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,986

    Farage puts the BBC on the naughty step for asking about allegations about him at Dulwich College

    This is probably the most politically damaging situation Nigel has ever found himself in. Many Reform supporters are self-proclaimed Philosemites, so the allegations that their man was a vile Jew-baiter cannot be easily waved away. In fact, Nigel has even made himself vulnerable to anti-bigotry attacks from Tommy Robinson, which isn't optimal.
    I'm not sure the matter of Farage's schoolboy politics has wings. I've not heard anyone offline mention it.
    I think its the Russian stuff that is killing Farage, most people just assume that he was a bully and a tosser at school and the allegations clearly have more than the whiff of truth.

    The smoking gun question is: "How much were you paid to present your Russia Today show, and what is morally different between what you did for the Russians then and what Nathan Gill has just been sentenced to 10.5 years for doing for the Russians, more recently?"
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,133
    Carnyx said:

    DoctorG said:

    Carnyx said:

    I agree with Ed Miliband, he’s showing the quality to be our next Prime Minister.

    Ed Miliband attacks ‘ignorant’ SNP for blocking nuclear power

    Energy Secretary urges Scots to summon their ‘inner Yimby’ in search for new reactor sites


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/12/04/ed-miliband-attacks-ignorant-snp-for-blocking-nuclear/

    We've already got too much power generation in Scotland, and insufficient grid capacity to move the electrons down to England. Put the nukes in the Home Counties.
    Then everyone can save on transmission charges. Not like now when *we* effectively get charged for exporting the stuff to the south-east.

    Mr Miliband really does not like local pricing, though.
    We should move to every town and city having its own mini-nuke generation capacity. It would also save on a significant amount of energy loss through transmission. Seriously, if they wanted to put one near my place I would have no issue at all.
    We will end up paying fortunes for the upgrades from Beauly/Aberdeenshire down south

    The Anglesey nuclear plans seem to be hitting a problem with bird habitats ... similar issues have affected offshore wind but as nuclear isn't 'clean' it gets a rougher ride
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgq5kx5k1qo

    Scottosh firms paying about 5.4bn out of the 28bn approved by Ofgem for grid improvements in the UK just now. Some for improving services in Scotland sure but quite a bit to export the stuff. With no local pricing. So we pay in our bills for some of the investment and pay even more to be level with the distant consumers, it seems. But against that savings are promised ... all very complex.
    The Scottish companies will make a guaranteed return on their investment, of course.
    But Miliband setting his face against local pricing is stupid economics and politics. It's just wrong.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,543
    Jofra Archer!

    Wow. What an innings. 32 not out, a new Test Record for him.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,633
    Cicero said:

    Farage puts the BBC on the naughty step for asking about allegations about him at Dulwich College

    This is probably the most politically damaging situation Nigel has ever found himself in. Many Reform supporters are self-proclaimed Philosemites, so the allegations that their man was a vile Jew-baiter cannot be easily waved away. In fact, Nigel has even made himself vulnerable to anti-bigotry attacks from Tommy Robinson, which isn't optimal.
    I'm not sure the matter of Farage's schoolboy politics has wings. I've not heard anyone offline mention it.
    I think its the Russian stuff that is killing Farage, most people just assume that he was a bully and a tosser at school and the allegations clearly have more than the whiff of truth.

    The smoking gun question is: "How much were you paid to present your Russia Today show, and what is morally different between what you did for the Russians then and what Nathan Gill has just been sentenced to 10.5 years for doing for the Russians, more recently?"
    Love how invested people on this board think anyone else is about Russia. People seem to forget how detatched the average voter is from the stuff that actually affects them - when you step down to foreign affairs it really is a whole other level of DGAF. And banking of Reform voters thinking Farage isn't patriotic is taking optimism well past the point of naivety.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,908
    DougSeal said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:

    I’m not sure why Middlesex are allowed to play as the county doesn’t exist.

    Crisis club Middlesex begin plan to move away from Lord’s

    Exclusive: County take step towards private ownership amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive


    Middlesex have taken the first step towards private ownership to fund a new home away from Lord’s.

    The crisis-plagued county have told members they are actively exploring demutualisation after being plunged into fresh turmoil amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive.

    Andrew Cornish was absent from a meeting with members on Tuesday at which the club began a formal consultation over becoming just the fourth first-class county to go private.

    Chairman Richard Sykes told Telegraph Sport that Cornish was “on a leave of absence”, adding: “The Cricket Regulator is involved and I can’t say more than that.”

    The investigation into Cornish, who has denied any wrongdoing, is unrelated to demutualisation. But the timing could hardly be worse for the 161-year-old club as they look to join Durham, Northamptonshire and Hampshire in becoming privately owned.

    As tenants of Marylebone Cricket Club at Lord’s, Middlesex are unique among the 18 counties as they do not own their home ground. This means they are unable to make money through non-cricket activities such as conferencing and events.

    They play at a series of outgrounds such as Merchant Taylors’ School, Richmond and Radlett, but have long sought a “home away from home” to provide stability and generate income. Sykes believes the only way to raise the funds for this is via demutualisation.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/12/02/middlesex-county-cricket-club-plan-move-away-lords-private/

    Er, how about Yorkshire?
    We still exist.
    Well it would be hard to locate a ground in a place which didn't.
    Lord's doesn't exist?
    It does, but it no longer is in Middlex, Headingley exists but it is still in Yorkshire.
    Why are Lancs allowed to play at Old Trafford? Why are Warwickshire allowed to play in Birmingham etc etc etc
    Because pre-1974 county boundaries are the only ones that matter.

    Back when you had to be born in Yorkshire to play for Yorkshire, being born in Middlesbrough conferred eligibility, Chris Old was not kicked out of the Yorkshire team just because the Tories faffed about with local government in 1974.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,908
    carnforth said:

    Have we done this yet? UK and Norway to deepen collaboration on protecting undersea cables:

    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-joins-norways-mine-warfare-mothership-project/

    "deepen collaboration"

    Bury the cables?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,543

    MattW said:

    On topic !!!

    Have we done Christopher Harborne's £9 million donation to Reform?

    https://www.ft.com/content/db73535f-7d9d-4586-b53a-a690d3b0e36d

    From wiki:

    "In November 2022, Harborne donated £1 million to The Office of Boris Johnson Ltd, one of the biggest donations ever made to an individual British politician.[13] Boris Johnson awarded Qinetiq, a company in which Harborne was the largest single shareholder, with a £80m MoD contract in January 2023."
    Don't trust wiki, or people who post blindly from there. Boris left office in Sept 2022!
    That may be when the donation was reported, rather than when it actually happened.

    Nevertheless, @MaxPB's point is spot on.

    Qinetiq used to be part of the Ministry of Defence. It used to be the Defence Evaluation and Research Agency. The vast majority of its revenue comes from... you guessed it... the UK government. I suspect you can look at any point in time and fine a big contract signed.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,175
    @NatashaBertrand

    The IG report into Hegseth’s use of Signal is out. https://dodig.mil/reports.html/Article/4348367/evaluation-of-the-secretary-of-defenses-reported-use-of-a-commercially-availabl/

    Some key lines:

    “The Secretary sent nonpublic DoD information identifying the quantity and strike times of manned U.S. aircraft over hostile territory over an unapproved, unsecure network approximately 2 to 4 hours before the
    execution of those strikes. Using a personal cell phone to conduct official business and send nonpublic DoD information through Signal risks potential compromise of sensitive DoD information, which could cause harm to DoD personnel and mission objectives.

    We concluded that the Secretary sent sensitive, nonpublic, operational information that he determined
    did not require classification over the Signal chat on his personal cell phone. The Secretary is the head original
    classification authority in the DoD based on Executive Order 13526 and DoD Manual 5200.45 and holds the authority to determine the required classification level of all DoD information he communicates.

    However, because the Secretary indicated that he used the Signal application on his personal cell phone to send nonpublic DoD information, we concluded that the Secretary’s actions did not comply with DoD Instruction 8170.01, which prohibits using a personal device for official business and using a nonapproved commercially available messaging application to send nonpublic DoD information.”

    https://x.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1996614171396391272?s=20
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,213
    maaarsh said:

    Cicero said:

    Farage puts the BBC on the naughty step for asking about allegations about him at Dulwich College

    This is probably the most politically damaging situation Nigel has ever found himself in. Many Reform supporters are self-proclaimed Philosemites, so the allegations that their man was a vile Jew-baiter cannot be easily waved away. In fact, Nigel has even made himself vulnerable to anti-bigotry attacks from Tommy Robinson, which isn't optimal.
    I'm not sure the matter of Farage's schoolboy politics has wings. I've not heard anyone offline mention it.
    I think its the Russian stuff that is killing Farage, most people just assume that he was a bully and a tosser at school and the allegations clearly have more than the whiff of truth.

    The smoking gun question is: "How much were you paid to present your Russia Today show, and what is morally different between what you did for the Russians then and what Nathan Gill has just been sentenced to 10.5 years for doing for the Russians, more recently?"
    Love how invested people on this board think anyone else is about Russia. People seem to forget how detatched the average voter is from the stuff that actually affects them - when you step down to foreign affairs it really is a whole other level of DGAF. And banking of Reform voters thinking Farage isn't patriotic is taking optimism well past the point of naivety.
    On the contrary, I think most people in the UK are very anti-Russian and very pro-Ukraine at present.

    You don't have to be a deep thinker or very politically engaged to see Putin as an evil and very dangerous shit. The Russian population may be forgiven in time but by showing virtually zero inclination to challenge Putin they are culpable. Anyone in UK politics seen as being soft on Putin is rightly going to be under pressure.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,633

    maaarsh said:

    Cicero said:

    Farage puts the BBC on the naughty step for asking about allegations about him at Dulwich College

    This is probably the most politically damaging situation Nigel has ever found himself in. Many Reform supporters are self-proclaimed Philosemites, so the allegations that their man was a vile Jew-baiter cannot be easily waved away. In fact, Nigel has even made himself vulnerable to anti-bigotry attacks from Tommy Robinson, which isn't optimal.
    I'm not sure the matter of Farage's schoolboy politics has wings. I've not heard anyone offline mention it.
    I think its the Russian stuff that is killing Farage, most people just assume that he was a bully and a tosser at school and the allegations clearly have more than the whiff of truth.

    The smoking gun question is: "How much were you paid to present your Russia Today show, and what is morally different between what you did for the Russians then and what Nathan Gill has just been sentenced to 10.5 years for doing for the Russians, more recently?"
    Love how invested people on this board think anyone else is about Russia. People seem to forget how detatched the average voter is from the stuff that actually affects them - when you step down to foreign affairs it really is a whole other level of DGAF. And banking of Reform voters thinking Farage isn't patriotic is taking optimism well past the point of naivety.
    On the contrary, I think most people in the UK are very anti-Russian and very pro-Ukraine at present.

    You don't have to be a deep thinker or very politically engaged to see Putin as an evil and very dangerous shit. The Russian population may be forgiven in time but by showing virtually zero inclination to challenge Putin they are culpable. Anyone in UK politics seen as being soft on Putin is rightly going to be under pressure.
    In a poll it would come out 99-1 for Ukraine. But people who think this has electoral salience and will hurt Reform are just miles out of touch with those voters.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,050

    DougSeal said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:

    I’m not sure why Middlesex are allowed to play as the county doesn’t exist.

    Crisis club Middlesex begin plan to move away from Lord’s

    Exclusive: County take step towards private ownership amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive


    Middlesex have taken the first step towards private ownership to fund a new home away from Lord’s.

    The crisis-plagued county have told members they are actively exploring demutualisation after being plunged into fresh turmoil amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive.

    Andrew Cornish was absent from a meeting with members on Tuesday at which the club began a formal consultation over becoming just the fourth first-class county to go private.

    Chairman Richard Sykes told Telegraph Sport that Cornish was “on a leave of absence”, adding: “The Cricket Regulator is involved and I can’t say more than that.”

    The investigation into Cornish, who has denied any wrongdoing, is unrelated to demutualisation. But the timing could hardly be worse for the 161-year-old club as they look to join Durham, Northamptonshire and Hampshire in becoming privately owned.

    As tenants of Marylebone Cricket Club at Lord’s, Middlesex are unique among the 18 counties as they do not own their home ground. This means they are unable to make money through non-cricket activities such as conferencing and events.

    They play at a series of outgrounds such as Merchant Taylors’ School, Richmond and Radlett, but have long sought a “home away from home” to provide stability and generate income. Sykes believes the only way to raise the funds for this is via demutualisation.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/12/02/middlesex-county-cricket-club-plan-move-away-lords-private/

    Er, how about Yorkshire?
    We still exist.
    Well it would be hard to locate a ground in a place which didn't.
    Lord's doesn't exist?
    It does, but it no longer is in Middlex, Headingley exists but it is still in Yorkshire.
    Why are Lancs allowed to play at Old Trafford? Why are Warwickshire allowed to play in Birmingham etc etc etc
    Because pre-1974 county boundaries are the only ones that matter.

    Back when you had to be born in Yorkshire to play for Yorkshire, being born in Middlesbrough conferred eligibility, Chris Old was not kicked out of the Yorkshire team just because the Tories faffed about with local government in 1974.
    That's why Surrey play at the oval. Surrey county used to extend there.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,570

    maaarsh said:

    Cicero said:

    Farage puts the BBC on the naughty step for asking about allegations about him at Dulwich College

    This is probably the most politically damaging situation Nigel has ever found himself in. Many Reform supporters are self-proclaimed Philosemites, so the allegations that their man was a vile Jew-baiter cannot be easily waved away. In fact, Nigel has even made himself vulnerable to anti-bigotry attacks from Tommy Robinson, which isn't optimal.
    I'm not sure the matter of Farage's schoolboy politics has wings. I've not heard anyone offline mention it.
    I think its the Russian stuff that is killing Farage, most people just assume that he was a bully and a tosser at school and the allegations clearly have more than the whiff of truth.

    The smoking gun question is: "How much were you paid to present your Russia Today show, and what is morally different between what you did for the Russians then and what Nathan Gill has just been sentenced to 10.5 years for doing for the Russians, more recently?"
    Love how invested people on this board think anyone else is about Russia. People seem to forget how detatched the average voter is from the stuff that actually affects them - when you step down to foreign affairs it really is a whole other level of DGAF. And banking of Reform voters thinking Farage isn't patriotic is taking optimism well past the point of naivety.
    On the contrary, I think most people in the UK are very anti-Russian and very pro-Ukraine at present.

    You don't have to be a deep thinker or very politically engaged to see Putin as an evil and very dangerous shit. The Russian population may be forgiven in time but by showing virtually zero inclination to challenge Putin they are culpable. Anyone in UK politics seen as being soft on Putin is rightly going to be under pressure.
    Quite right. I encountered several people who I wouldn't have regarded as particularly engaged in foreign politics after the Trump/Vance ambush of Zelensky, and they were all absolutely up in arms in disgust.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,213
    edited 4:27PM
    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    Cicero said:

    Farage puts the BBC on the naughty step for asking about allegations about him at Dulwich College

    This is probably the most politically damaging situation Nigel has ever found himself in. Many Reform supporters are self-proclaimed Philosemites, so the allegations that their man was a vile Jew-baiter cannot be easily waved away. In fact, Nigel has even made himself vulnerable to anti-bigotry attacks from Tommy Robinson, which isn't optimal.
    I'm not sure the matter of Farage's schoolboy politics has wings. I've not heard anyone offline mention it.
    I think its the Russian stuff that is killing Farage, most people just assume that he was a bully and a tosser at school and the allegations clearly have more than the whiff of truth.

    The smoking gun question is: "How much were you paid to present your Russia Today show, and what is morally different between what you did for the Russians then and what Nathan Gill has just been sentenced to 10.5 years for doing for the Russians, more recently?"
    Love how invested people on this board think anyone else is about Russia. People seem to forget how detatched the average voter is from the stuff that actually affects them - when you step down to foreign affairs it really is a whole other level of DGAF. And banking of Reform voters thinking Farage isn't patriotic is taking optimism well past the point of naivety.
    On the contrary, I think most people in the UK are very anti-Russian and very pro-Ukraine at present.

    You don't have to be a deep thinker or very politically engaged to see Putin as an evil and very dangerous shit. The Russian population may be forgiven in time but by showing virtually zero inclination to challenge Putin they are culpable. Anyone in UK politics seen as being soft on Putin is rightly going to be under pressure.
    In a poll it would come out 99-1 for Ukraine. But people who think this has electoral salience and will hurt Reform are just miles out of touch with those voters.
    Drip, drip, drip,... though.

    Johnson was unaffected by Partygate, until he was.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,391
    @BlancheLivermore ... Since my comment yesterday on your beer effort called "Evening Mist" – that you shouldn't offer it to Germans – may not have been properly twigged, you should check what the German word "Mist" is in English
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,100
    edited 4:28PM
    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    Cicero said:

    Farage puts the BBC on the naughty step for asking about allegations about him at Dulwich College

    This is probably the most politically damaging situation Nigel has ever found himself in. Many Reform supporters are self-proclaimed Philosemites, so the allegations that their man was a vile Jew-baiter cannot be easily waved away. In fact, Nigel has even made himself vulnerable to anti-bigotry attacks from Tommy Robinson, which isn't optimal.
    I'm not sure the matter of Farage's schoolboy politics has wings. I've not heard anyone offline mention it.
    I think its the Russian stuff that is killing Farage, most people just assume that he was a bully and a tosser at school and the allegations clearly have more than the whiff of truth.

    The smoking gun question is: "How much were you paid to present your Russia Today show, and what is morally different between what you did for the Russians then and what Nathan Gill has just been sentenced to 10.5 years for doing for the Russians, more recently?"
    Love how invested people on this board think anyone else is about Russia. People seem to forget how detatched the average voter is from the stuff that actually affects them - when you step down to foreign affairs it really is a whole other level of DGAF. And banking of Reform voters thinking Farage isn't patriotic is taking optimism well past the point of naivety.
    On the contrary, I think most people in the UK are very anti-Russian and very pro-Ukraine at present.

    You don't have to be a deep thinker or very politically engaged to see Putin as an evil and very dangerous shit. The Russian population may be forgiven in time but by showing virtually zero inclination to challenge Putin they are culpable. Anyone in UK politics seen as being soft on Putin is rightly going to be under pressure.
    In a poll it would come out 99-1 for Ukraine. But people who think this has electoral salience and will hurt Reform are just miles out of touch with those voters.
    Nah, look at when Corbyn’s ratings went into the toilet, when it looked like he was defending Russia after the Salisbury poisonings.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,050

    DougSeal said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:

    I’m not sure why Middlesex are allowed to play as the county doesn’t exist.

    Crisis club Middlesex begin plan to move away from Lord’s

    Exclusive: County take step towards private ownership amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive


    Middlesex have taken the first step towards private ownership to fund a new home away from Lord’s.

    The crisis-plagued county have told members they are actively exploring demutualisation after being plunged into fresh turmoil amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive.

    Andrew Cornish was absent from a meeting with members on Tuesday at which the club began a formal consultation over becoming just the fourth first-class county to go private.

    Chairman Richard Sykes told Telegraph Sport that Cornish was “on a leave of absence”, adding: “The Cricket Regulator is involved and I can’t say more than that.”

    The investigation into Cornish, who has denied any wrongdoing, is unrelated to demutualisation. But the timing could hardly be worse for the 161-year-old club as they look to join Durham, Northamptonshire and Hampshire in becoming privately owned.

    As tenants of Marylebone Cricket Club at Lord’s, Middlesex are unique among the 18 counties as they do not own their home ground. This means they are unable to make money through non-cricket activities such as conferencing and events.

    They play at a series of outgrounds such as Merchant Taylors’ School, Richmond and Radlett, but have long sought a “home away from home” to provide stability and generate income. Sykes believes the only way to raise the funds for this is via demutualisation.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/12/02/middlesex-county-cricket-club-plan-move-away-lords-private/

    Er, how about Yorkshire?
    We still exist.
    Well it would be hard to locate a ground in a place which didn't.
    Lord's doesn't exist?
    It does, but it no longer is in Middlex, Headingley exists but it is still in Yorkshire.
    Why are Lancs allowed to play at Old Trafford? Why are Warwickshire allowed to play in Birmingham etc etc etc
    Because pre-1974 county boundaries are the only ones that matter.

    Back when you had to be born in Yorkshire to play for Yorkshire, being born in Middlesbrough conferred eligibility, Chris Old was not kicked out of the Yorkshire team just because the Tories faffed about with local government in 1974.
    That's why Surrey play at the oval. Surrey county used to extend there.
    And also Hampshire used to play at Bournemouth
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,450
    56% rise in patients in hospital with flu on 2024

    1,717 in hospital beds last week

    With all the flu vaccinations available today, especially for the elderly, why the increase ?
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,986
    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    Cicero said:

    Farage puts the BBC on the naughty step for asking about allegations about him at Dulwich College

    This is probably the most politically damaging situation Nigel has ever found himself in. Many Reform supporters are self-proclaimed Philosemites, so the allegations that their man was a vile Jew-baiter cannot be easily waved away. In fact, Nigel has even made himself vulnerable to anti-bigotry attacks from Tommy Robinson, which isn't optimal.
    I'm not sure the matter of Farage's schoolboy politics has wings. I've not heard anyone offline mention it.
    I think its the Russian stuff that is killing Farage, most people just assume that he was a bully and a tosser at school and the allegations clearly have more than the whiff of truth.

    The smoking gun question is: "How much were you paid to present your Russia Today show, and what is morally different between what you did for the Russians then and what Nathan Gill has just been sentenced to 10.5 years for doing for the Russians, more recently?"
    Love how invested people on this board think anyone else is about Russia. People seem to forget how detatched the average voter is from the stuff that actually affects them - when you step down to foreign affairs it really is a whole other level of DGAF. And banking of Reform voters thinking Farage isn't patriotic is taking optimism well past the point of naivety.
    On the contrary, I think most people in the UK are very anti-Russian and very pro-Ukraine at present.

    You don't have to be a deep thinker or very politically engaged to see Putin as an evil and very dangerous shit. The Russian population may be forgiven in time but by showing virtually zero inclination to challenge Putin they are culpable. Anyone in UK politics seen as being soft on Putin is rightly going to be under pressure.
    In a poll it would come out 99-1 for Ukraine. But people who think this has electoral salience and will hurt Reform are just miles out of touch with those voters.
    Actually a large number of Reform potential voters do not know about the RT stuff, and when you tell them, they are pretty unimpressed. I think it cuts through as soon as people learn about it.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,450
    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    Cicero said:

    Farage puts the BBC on the naughty step for asking about allegations about him at Dulwich College

    This is probably the most politically damaging situation Nigel has ever found himself in. Many Reform supporters are self-proclaimed Philosemites, so the allegations that their man was a vile Jew-baiter cannot be easily waved away. In fact, Nigel has even made himself vulnerable to anti-bigotry attacks from Tommy Robinson, which isn't optimal.
    I'm not sure the matter of Farage's schoolboy politics has wings. I've not heard anyone offline mention it.
    I think its the Russian stuff that is killing Farage, most people just assume that he was a bully and a tosser at school and the allegations clearly have more than the whiff of truth.

    The smoking gun question is: "How much were you paid to present your Russia Today show, and what is morally different between what you did for the Russians then and what Nathan Gill has just been sentenced to 10.5 years for doing for the Russians, more recently?"
    Love how invested people on this board think anyone else is about Russia. People seem to forget how detatched the average voter is from the stuff that actually affects them - when you step down to foreign affairs it really is a whole other level of DGAF. And banking of Reform voters thinking Farage isn't patriotic is taking optimism well past the point of naivety.
    On the contrary, I think most people in the UK are very anti-Russian and very pro-Ukraine at present.

    You don't have to be a deep thinker or very politically engaged to see Putin as an evil and very dangerous shit. The Russian population may be forgiven in time but by showing virtually zero inclination to challenge Putin they are culpable. Anyone in UK politics seen as being soft on Putin is rightly going to be under pressure.
    In a poll it would come out 99-1 for Ukraine. But people who think this has electoral salience and will hurt Reform are just miles out of touch with those voters.
    It almost certainly prevented Reform taking Caerphilly recently
  • CumberlandGapCumberlandGap Posts: 340

    56% rise in patients in hospital with flu on 2024

    1,717 in hospital beds last week

    With all the flu vaccinations available today, especially for the elderly, why the increase ?

    Because vaccinations only effective against the particular strains selected, which is an educated guess. And i'm willing to suspect 'the flu' is not confirmed cases of influenza but people with respiratory problems, viral and bacterial.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,213
    edited 4:31PM

    56% rise in patients in hospital with flu on 2024

    1,717 in hospital beds last week

    With all the flu vaccinations available today, especially for the elderly, why the increase ?

    Because there's a new, more potent strain of flu about this year. That's what happens, the flu virus evolves, sometimes becoming more dangerous, sometimes less. This year it's bad.

    https://news.sky.com/story/why-is-flu-season-set-to-be-worse-this-year-13472188
  • eekeek Posts: 32,090
    edited 4:34PM

    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    Cicero said:

    Farage puts the BBC on the naughty step for asking about allegations about him at Dulwich College

    This is probably the most politically damaging situation Nigel has ever found himself in. Many Reform supporters are self-proclaimed Philosemites, so the allegations that their man was a vile Jew-baiter cannot be easily waved away. In fact, Nigel has even made himself vulnerable to anti-bigotry attacks from Tommy Robinson, which isn't optimal.
    I'm not sure the matter of Farage's schoolboy politics has wings. I've not heard anyone offline mention it.
    I think its the Russian stuff that is killing Farage, most people just assume that he was a bully and a tosser at school and the allegations clearly have more than the whiff of truth.

    The smoking gun question is: "How much were you paid to present your Russia Today show, and what is morally different between what you did for the Russians then and what Nathan Gill has just been sentenced to 10.5 years for doing for the Russians, more recently?"
    Love how invested people on this board think anyone else is about Russia. People seem to forget how detatched the average voter is from the stuff that actually affects them - when you step down to foreign affairs it really is a whole other level of DGAF. And banking of Reform voters thinking Farage isn't patriotic is taking optimism well past the point of naivety.
    On the contrary, I think most people in the UK are very anti-Russian and very pro-Ukraine at present.

    You don't have to be a deep thinker or very politically engaged to see Putin as an evil and very dangerous shit. The Russian population may be forgiven in time but by showing virtually zero inclination to challenge Putin they are culpable. Anyone in UK politics seen as being soft on Putin is rightly going to be under pressure.
    In a poll it would come out 99-1 for Ukraine. But people who think this has electoral salience and will hurt Reform are just miles out of touch with those voters.
    It almost certainly prevented Reform taking Caerphilly recently
    Having a second none of the above party that voters could vote for prevented Reform taking Caerphilly

    That's not to say Ukraine / Farage's Russian links is not costing Reform votes, I just think without Plaid being an option Reform would have won.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,213

    DougSeal said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:

    I’m not sure why Middlesex are allowed to play as the county doesn’t exist.

    Crisis club Middlesex begin plan to move away from Lord’s

    Exclusive: County take step towards private ownership amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive


    Middlesex have taken the first step towards private ownership to fund a new home away from Lord’s.

    The crisis-plagued county have told members they are actively exploring demutualisation after being plunged into fresh turmoil amid a Cricket Regulator investigation into their chief executive.

    Andrew Cornish was absent from a meeting with members on Tuesday at which the club began a formal consultation over becoming just the fourth first-class county to go private.

    Chairman Richard Sykes told Telegraph Sport that Cornish was “on a leave of absence”, adding: “The Cricket Regulator is involved and I can’t say more than that.”

    The investigation into Cornish, who has denied any wrongdoing, is unrelated to demutualisation. But the timing could hardly be worse for the 161-year-old club as they look to join Durham, Northamptonshire and Hampshire in becoming privately owned.

    As tenants of Marylebone Cricket Club at Lord’s, Middlesex are unique among the 18 counties as they do not own their home ground. This means they are unable to make money through non-cricket activities such as conferencing and events.

    They play at a series of outgrounds such as Merchant Taylors’ School, Richmond and Radlett, but have long sought a “home away from home” to provide stability and generate income. Sykes believes the only way to raise the funds for this is via demutualisation.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/12/02/middlesex-county-cricket-club-plan-move-away-lords-private/

    Er, how about Yorkshire?
    We still exist.
    Well it would be hard to locate a ground in a place which didn't.
    Lord's doesn't exist?
    It does, but it no longer is in Middlex, Headingley exists but it is still in Yorkshire.
    Why are Lancs allowed to play at Old Trafford? Why are Warwickshire allowed to play in Birmingham etc etc etc
    Because pre-1974 county boundaries are the only ones that matter.

    Back when you had to be born in Yorkshire to play for Yorkshire, being born in Middlesbrough conferred eligibility, Chris Old was not kicked out of the Yorkshire team just because the Tories faffed about with local government in 1974.
    That's why Surrey play at the oval. Surrey county used to extend there.
    And also Hampshire used to play at Bournemouth
    Bournemouth used to be in Hampshire.
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