The Conservative Party is not taking any harsh decisions in government.
Vote for this guy then
@BBCNormanS: Ed Miliband says Labour will "look at" Govt proposals to curb benefit tourism but does not commit to support or oppose them
However much we collectively take the mickey re Dan Hodges opinion of EdM - he's often spot on. EdM isn't PM material, I'd never vote for him, he's brimming with Marxist wonk speak and even Mary 'Riddell thinks he's a loser.
Plato - be thankful that the broader left is still loyal to rEd and thinks they just have to turn up in 2015 to win - one of the few positives to take right now. Long may the nailed onners keep their heads in the sand.
Oh my childhood days. I used to have within my posession over 100 editions of 'Air International', all dated from the late 'Sixties thro' to early 'Eighties.
A childhood now lost!
:seeks-comfort-from-another-Airfix-model:
Wasn't it 'Flight International'? My dad use to buy it for me during the 80s. Always loved the cutaway diagrams, and the airline fleet lists!
@BBCNormanS: What's the betting some senior politicians are being urgently "prepped" on Fergie so they don't make a hash of inevitable doorstep question
"Paramedics were told they could not rush to the aid of a BBC staff member who appeared to be having a cardiac arrest in the newsroom because of strict rules designed to regulate on-screen behaviour, it has been reported...
Sue Harris, of the NUJ, said: 'The member of [BBC] staff had to struggle out of camera shot to get to the paramedic as the crew weren’t allowed to walk across the newsroom to them because of their high-vis jackets.
'This cannot be allowed to happen again. A more sensible solution has to be found, such as putting screens up. Fortunately on this occasion the person in question was not critically ill, but the BBC cannot let petty rules potentially put lives in danger.'
Alex Ferguson to retire, stand for Labour in a safe seat and become the chief whip in a new Labour government. Hairdryer treatment and cups of team or football boot throwing in the lobbies.
Oh, how quickly we forget. It's the economy, stupid.
Before the last election, when Alistair Darling was warning of cuts worse than Thatcher, considered opinion was that it would be a good election to lose. Whoever won would make themselves so unpopular they would be out of power for a generation ...
Now that the Government is really unpopular, it's because the PM went to Eton? Hmmm
The rise and rise of UKIP is so much like the Cleggasm. Clegg was popular for saying things the others couldn't. Then he made it into Government and realised why no serious party of Government could say the things he had been saying.
UKIP are the same. They are popular for saying things that no serious party of Government can say. At some point, maybe after they win lots of seats or gift a GE to Labour, the rhetoric and reality will clash in an annihilation scale event, but until then the Tories can't out-kipper them. You can't be a serious party of Government and UKIP at the same time, just as Clegg found out you can't be all things to all voters if you win power.
You think if ukip were in a coalition they would vote to stay in the EU a la the LibDems and tuition fees?
1. High profile candidates. Farage....and... errm? 2. The level of votes. More is better. 3. The standard deviation of the vote. More is better. 4. The relative standing of the parties. Closer is better.
The best example we have is the SDP in 1983 for 26% of the vote. None of their 6 seat wins was truly unexpected. Four incumbents, one by-election victor, and a seat which had previously been Liberal for most of the century. But the SDP only came within spitting distance in two other seats which did not include such factors - Stevenage and Durham...
You think if ukip were in a coalition they would vote to stay in the EU a la the LibDems and tuition fees?
I think if UKIP were in Government the £120 billion gap in their spending promises would disappoint large numbers of the people who voted for them, just like students voting for Lib Dems
Oh my childhood days. I used to have within my posession over 100 editions of 'Air International', all dated from the late 'Sixties thro' to early 'Eighties.
A childhood now lost!
:seeks-comfort-from-another-Airfix-model:
Wasn't it 'Flight International'? My dad use to buy it for me during the 80s. Always loved the cutaway diagrams, and the airline fleet lists!
Back issues of Flight International are available on-line, and make for fascinating reading if you are an engineering Geek.
Wasn't it 'Flight International'? My dad use to buy it for me during the 80s. Always loved the cutaway diagrams, and the airline fleet lists!
Dr Prasannan,
Please go back to learning about Prussia, Prussia-Brandenburg and Germanic history. "Air International" is still published by 'Key Publishing': Other, limited circulation magazines - "Air Enthusiast" and "Flight International" - are/were mere ripples on the tsunami of mode-kit reviews....
Is there actually anything about immigration in the Queen's speech? As far as I can tell it's just benefit changes that apply equally to UK nationals...
Is there actually anything about immigration in the Queen's speech? As far as I can tell it's just benefit changes that apply equally to UK nationals...
Something about health tourism - can't yet see the day where your ID card is checked at hospitals though - so hot air.
You think if ukip were in a coalition they would vote to stay in the EU a la the LibDems and tuition fees?
I think if UKIP were in Government the £120 billion gap in their spending promises would disappoint large numbers of the people who voted for them, just like students voting for Lib Dems
Gosh I wonder how the £500 billion gap in Labour's spending promises went down with those deluded people who voted Labour?
You think if ukip were in a coalition they would vote to stay in the EU a la the LibDems and tuition fees?
I think if UKIP were in Government the £120 billion gap in their spending promises would disappoint large numbers of the people who voted for them, just like students voting for Lib Dems
Gosh I wonder how the £500 billion gap in Labour's spending promises went down with those deluded people who voted Labour?
Spending promises are only a problem in the age of no money if you win - see the LDs on 9% for details or Labour on 29% in 2010.
Wasn't it 'Flight International'? My dad use to buy it for me during the 80s. Always loved the cutaway diagrams, and the airline fleet lists!
Dr Prasannan,
Please go back to learning about Prussia, Prussia-Brandenburg and Germanic history. "Air International" is still published by 'Key Publishing': Other, limited circulation magazines - "Air Enthusiast" and "Flight International" - are/were mere ripples on the tsunami of mode-kit reviews....
Interesting that the Conservative vote falls away for the middle two categories, but the young ones (Rik, Neil, Vyvyen etc) are likelier than the middle category chaps to vote for them.
I wonder if this is because older people are naturally more conservative, and younger people are acutely aware that they're the ones (largely) who'll be paying back the debt and working until (probably) their early to mid-70s.
My working assumption on this is that the middle categories include people who grew up under Thatcher/Major, whereas the youngest category grew up under Blair/Brown.
Everyone accepts that there is a toxic legacy in many voters' eyes from the 18 years that ended in the 1997 landslide, and in the years to come the Labour party will have to accept that there is an effect due to the legacy of Iraq and the Great Recession.
PB Tories in Awesome Speech/Ed's Tweet parody postings.
They never disappoint
tim - I'm looking forward to Mike publishing a collated volume of all of your posts praising rEd Miliband over the years - I hear it's going to be a special edition on the back of the new 2nd class stamp.
One does have to laugh at the naivety of pundits who praise Nigel Farage's 'plain-speaking'. His comments on the EEA are a masterpiece of obfuscation - he frequently cites Norway as a model :
"there is absolutely nothing to fear in terms of trade from leaving the European Union, because on D+1 we'll find ourselves part of the European Economic Area and with a free trade deal."
.. which doesn't exactly chime with his comments on immigration, does it?
He told the conference: "The truth is, that on immigration, those three parties, the LibLabCon, are all the same, because they all support a total open door to the whole of Eastern Europe.
"They all support that door being flung even wider open to the 29m people from Bulgaria and Romania ."
It seems that UKIP also supports a total open door to the whole of Eastern Europe.
You want some help charting the unravelling of the immigration crap being spouted today?
Queen's Speech: Jeremy Hunt 'unable' to explain how new immigration laws will work Plans to make landlords legally responsible for ensuring that they do not let properties to illegal immigrants were mired in confusion today after Jeremy Hunt refused to explain how the rules will actually work.
Grant Shapps doesn't count - he followed me for a while too!
Isnt the point that Grant Shapps has followed everyone who has ever been on twitter? And then quickly unfollowed them again. Or was that Michael Green?
The Conservative Party is not taking any harsh decisions in government.
Vote for this guy then
@BBCNormanS: Ed Miliband says Labour will "look at" Govt proposals to curb benefit tourism but does not commit to support or oppose them
Gawd sake rEd - he can't even rise to the rank of flip flopper - just a wet cloth.
What are the proposals?
Buy to Let landlords policing immigration?
GP's checking passports?
Nobody is going to commit to insane shit like that before it's worked through
GPs do not need to check passports, to be registered patients need an NHS number. Hospitals like mine have overseas officers to identify non emergency patients who are not eligible, and do bill them the cost of care. I have several overseas patients who are being billed at present. The money stays in the hospital, i get none of it.
Policing of these things is much tighter than previously, and overseas patients generally happy to pay.
Immigration, high-speed rail, cigarette packaging & dangerous dogs - what to expect in Queen's Speech http://bbc.in/10p0UDK #QueensSpeech
Must be those Tory attack dogs?
I just weep - a dog or two bites or worse their owner or a visitor and its legislated against? Let's stop co-habitation to stop domestic violence or car driving or falling off ladders or out of bed.
The chances of being killed by a neighbour's dog or even your own is vanishingly small. It's pathetic popularist stuff using any metric. The whole reason such tales make the news is BECAUSE they are very rare events.
You want some help charting the unravelling of the immigration crap being spouted today?
Queen's Speech: Jeremy Hunt 'unable' to explain how new immigration laws will work Plans to make landlords legally responsible for ensuring that they do not let properties to illegal immigrants were mired in confusion today after Jeremy Hunt refused to explain how the rules will actually work.
@MrHarryCole: I count about 500 twitter users who point out to Ed that Fergie is not dead.
@David_Cameron: Sir Alex Ferguson’s achievement at #MUFC has been exceptional. Hopefully his retirement will make life a little easier for my team #AVFC
Stop willy-waving. The Wiki image is 1871 and would have been negated by my mention, within post - remember that, hey - of the Austrian and Danish Wars. The image you require is supplied below...:
One does have to laugh at the naivety of pundits who praise Nigel Farage's 'plain-speaking'. His comments on the EEA are a masterpiece of obfuscation :
"there is absolutely nothing to fear in terms of trade from leaving the European Union, because on D+1 we'll find ourselves part of the European Economic Area and with a free trade deal."
.. which doesn't exactly chime with his comments on immigration, does it?
You want some help charting the unravelling of the immigration crap being spouted today?
Queen's Speech: Jeremy Hunt 'unable' to explain how new immigration laws will work Plans to make landlords legally responsible for ensuring that they do not let properties to illegal immigrants were mired in confusion today after Jeremy Hunt refused to explain how the rules will actually work.
Falling apart already, and that's before they try and explain how passports are relevant to healthcare.
The only way any of this can be done is to leave the EU. Your analogy of chamomile tea and strong brew was spot on.
But wouldn't the simplest proposal be just to include an immigration check in the housing benefit test? So landlords can let the properties to whoever they want, but they don't get paid by the state if the tenant shouldn't be there. This would then create a market incentive for the landlord to do their homework.
@David_Cameron: Sir Alex Ferguson’s achievement at #MUFC has been exceptional. Hopefully his retirement will make life a little easier for my team #AVFC
That is the right response. Whomever is penning his tweetfeed gets it.
Stop willy-waving. The Wiki image is 1871 and would have been negated by my mention, within post - remember that, hey - of the Austrian and Danish Wars. The image you require is supplied below...:
I see my creepy stalker and his man crush is on duty today. As every day. All day.
Be nice Scott,
I have sadly resigned myself to the fact that OGH's site is now funded by the "NHS Liverpool Pathway for Care-in-the-Community". We may be wasting our taxes but it keeps Wee-Timmy amused (and employs five Latvian 'care-workers')!
Immigration, high-speed rail, cigarette packaging & dangerous dogs - what to expect in Queen's Speech http://bbc.in/10p0UDK #QueensSpeech
Must be those Tory attack dogs?
I just weep - a dog or two bites or worse their owner or a visitor and its legislated against? Let's stop co-habitation to stop domestic violence or car driving or falling off ladders or out of bed.
The chances of being killed by a neighbour's dog or even your own is vanishingly small. It's pathetic popularist stuff using any metric. The whole reason such tales make the news is BECAUSE they are very rare events.
I was bitten by a relative's dog in India when I was 6 (more than thirty years ago). As a precaution I needed Tetanus, plus a course of SEVEN rabies jabs in my stomach muscle in as many days. I still have the bite scar above my left knee. Needless to say I've been wary around dogs ever since.
Well, it's a view - I find discriminating against anyone based on a single criterion of excellence really weird.
As one of the country’s leading fertility experts, Lord Winston might be expected to surround himself with the brightest minds at work. But the Labour peer has admitted ‘deliberately’ discriminating against job applicants with first class degrees.
Those that have fallen short of academic brilliance are often better employees because they are more rounded individuals who work well in a team, the scientist and The Human Body presenter claimed.
‘I know scientists who are amazingly stupid,’ he said. ‘And in my laboratory I have appointed scientists on the whole that didn’t get first-class honours degrees, deliberately, quite specifically, because, actually, I would rather have young people around me who developed other interests at university and didn’t just focus entirely on getting that first.
‘That’s been a very successful strategy. It’s produced a lot of useful science because we’ve worked as a group of friends, a team. That’s very much more important than almost anything else.’
The comments, made to pupils from Clapton Girls Academy who were delegates of this year’s London International Youth Science Forum, may be influenced by Lord Winston’s own academic background.
I see my creepy stalker and his man crush is on duty today. As every day. All day.
Be nice Scott,
I have sadly resigned myself to the fact that OGH's site is now funded by the "NHS Liverpool Pathway for Care-in-the-Community". We may be wasting our taxes but it keeps Wee-Timmy amused (and employs five Latvian 'care-workers')!
:rejoice:
Timmy gets good value though... what else can you spend 16 hours a day at non-stop?.,.
Actually in 1871, Prussia became Germany (or The German Empire if you like), so a date of 1870 should be acceptabubble.
:yawn:
Conquests and incorporation are not analogous to nations nor states. England did not exists in Canuck-land, Oz, India or Scotland. The creation of the German state - in 1871 - was a reaction to Prussia, not the result of!
Your medical training should recognise that! When a foreign host invades another cell it does not mean that the latter is the fore. It merely means...?
There's a quote by someone clever then I to the effect that the elderly always feel like immigrants in their own land. The voting patterns above certainly set that out. UKIP have tapped into that quite well but I'd suggest that there's something of a disconnect between the [relatively] articulate advocates no to EU does not mean no to the world and what I see as the majority of their support which, although they could not say it, believe in autarky for the UK.
To give my thoughts on [@Antifrank's] comments as to why the young let this happen, I'd look to a few things. Firstly, and most importantly, most young people's are looking to other things than politics - sex and employment amongst them - and, honestly, the sort of younger people who are into politics are the sort that you'd cross the street to avoid: think overkeen 18 year old standing as a LD candidate, student-grant type socialist workers or fat girls in taffeta dresses [YCs]. Secondly there is a practial issue of registration: when you are a student, knowing the processes for voter registration, let alone doing it, is something of a challenge. Finally, there may be a vicious circle in effect - the old (and the state-employed) vote therefore parties look to avoid pi**ing them off but that means that the burdens fall elsewhere, and where better than those who don't vote or don't fall into one of the priviliged classes.
There's a quote by someone clever then I to the effect that the elderly always feel like immigrants in their own land. The voting patterns above certainly set that out. UKIP have tapped into that quite well but I'd suggest that there's something of a disconnect between the [relatively] articulate advocates no to EU does not mean no to the world and what I see as the majority of their support which, although they could not say it, believe in autarky for the UK.
To give my thoughts on [@Antifrank's] comments as to why the young let this happen, I'd look to a few things. Firstly, and most importantly, most young people's are looking to other things than politics - sex and employment amongst them - and, honestly, the sort of younger people who are into politics are the sort that you'd cross the street to avoid: think overkeen 18 year old standing as a LD candidate, student-grant type socialist workers or fat girls in taffeta dresses [YCs]. Secondly there is a practial issue of registration: when you are a student, knowing the processes for voter registration, let alone doing it, is something of a challenge. Finally, there may be a vicious circle in effect - the old (and the state-employed) vote therefore parties look to avoid pi**ing them off but that means that the burdens fall elsewhere, and where better than those who don't vote or don't fall into one of the priviliged classes.
I'd be interested in hearing that quote if you find it. That's how I imagine old people must feel, and one of the reasons I changed my views on immigration 180*
Immigration, high-speed rail, cigarette packaging & dangerous dogs - what to expect in Queen's Speech http://bbc.in/10p0UDK #QueensSpeech
Must be those Tory attack dogs?
I just weep - a dog or two bites or worse their owner or a visitor and its legislated against? Let's stop co-habitation to stop domestic violence or car driving or falling off ladders or out of bed.
The chances of being killed by a neighbour's dog or even your own is vanishingly small. It's pathetic popularist stuff using any metric. The whole reason such tales make the news is BECAUSE they are very rare events.
I was bitten by a relative's dog in India when I was 6 (more than thirty years ago). As a precaution I needed Tetanus, plus a course of SEVEN rabies jabs in my stomach muscle in as many days. I still have the bite scar above my left knee. Needless to say I've been wary around dogs ever since.
Cats are OK in my book, though!
Cat bites are nasty stuff if deep - I have a stock of antibiotics in the house in case I get bitten - within a few hours it becomes plain if one is affected/painful tracking up the arm etc - human bites are apparently also very nasty, fortunately I haven't met any toddlers or cannibals recently!
Well, it's a view - I find discriminating against anyone based on a single criterion of excellence really weird.
As one of the country’s leading fertility experts, Lord Winston might be expected to surround himself with the brightest minds at work. But the Labour peer has admitted ‘deliberately’ discriminating against job applicants with first class degrees.
Those that have fallen short of academic brilliance are often better employees because they are more rounded individuals who work well in a team, the scientist and The Human Body presenter claimed.
‘I know scientists who are amazingly stupid,’ he said. ‘And in my laboratory I have appointed scientists on the whole that didn’t get first-class honours degrees, deliberately, quite specifically, because, actually, I would rather have young people around me who developed other interests at university and didn’t just focus entirely on getting that first.
‘That’s been a very successful strategy. It’s produced a lot of useful science because we’ve worked as a group of friends, a team. That’s very much more important than almost anything else.’
The comments, made to pupils from Clapton Girls Academy who were delegates of this year’s London International Youth Science Forum, may be influenced by Lord Winston’s own academic background.
How bizarre. At university, I played two sports, was involved in intra-university debates, went to the gym most days, hit the bars several nights a week, and also had time for a long-term relationship. I hadn't realised until today that my first-class degree meant I didn't have other interests.
Bizarrely, Ed Miliband seems to be opposed to the government's plans on immigration on the gounds that they are not cracking down on legal immigration:
I’m concerned that there don’t seem to be measures in what they’re proposing to crack down on employers who use legal migration to not pay the minimum wage, recruitment agencies that only hire from overseas, slum landlords that put lots of people in one house – legal migrants.
Actually in 1871, Prussia became Germany (or The German Empire if you like), so a date of 1870 should be acceptabubble.
:yawn:
Conquests and incorporation are not analogous to nations nor states. England did not exists in Canuck-land, Oz, India or Scotland. The creation of the German state - in 1871 - was a reaction to Prussia, not the result of!
Your medical training should recognise that! When a foreign host invades another cell it does not mean that the latter is the fore. It merely means...?
When did I say I was medically trained?
BTW Prussia was a single Kingdom.
BTW2 Forgot to quote the relative land areas!:
Area of Englandistan: 130,000 sq. km. Area of Kingdom of Prussia (as was): 349,000 sq. Km. (apologies in advance for metric!)
If you had you'd stop rambling about white flight.
I stand corrected!
Not about white flight obviously, you have never moved me one inch from my original position. I just accept that you are a supporter of importing foreigners into communities whatever the feelings of the people who lived there, and won't accept the fact that they then do the frank bough.
Mr. Charles, I think page numbers are a bit of a bugger on most of the formats (ie they don't work properly because of the way e-books work compared to traditional books). On the plus side, I'm considering trying to self-publish the next book in electronic *and* physical format, so that would give you page numbers.
You are boring. You are wrong. Use whatever metric you wish.
Study Nineteenth Century history. Look at what happened within England between 1860 and 1913. Comparing and contrasting England - an imperial power - with a nationalist movement that unified the non-liberal areas of the Holy Roman Empire is facile without facts.
It is like talking to a SNat: In which way was Prussia bigger than England. Until you understand the question you will fail to understand Unionism and Conservatism.
"While out in Washington recently, I asked a number of US commentators why it was that Britain was so widely seen as some kind of horrific caricature of fiscal austerity gone wrong, whereas, as far as I could see, there hadn't been much austerity, and relatively speaking, the UK economy wasn't performing that badly.
Partly it was rhetoric, I was told. The UK Chancellor boasted of austerity even though he might be practising something else. Also it was to do with a number of high-profile American economics professors who take their cue from the shadow chancellor, Ed Balls.
He studied under one of them, and would have got to know some of the others during his time as Gordon Brown's adviser. In my experience, the rhetoric and the facts are rarely the same, but strangely this old truism seems to have escaped parts of US academia."
My take on this poll, is that the 60+ voters are looking at self interest and not of the country. They may have bought property when it was more affordable and be comfortable in their retirement. They would not be worried about leaving the EU, with the possible consequences of this affecting UK trade with the EU. Whereas those currently of working age, see the world differently. They are struggling with the costs of home ownership/costs of rent and the general costs of living. They don't get the winter fuel allowance and the free bus passes etc.
People under 60 must make sure they use their vote, otherwise the 60 & overs may well decide the future of the UK, when it is not in the interests of the whole country. For far too long Labour and Tories have been buying elections, by bribing pensioners with state benefits. They know these are the most likely to vote and we see the biding war between these parties near an election. Remember in 2010, when Labour said the Tories were going to cut some benefits and Cameron reacted with absolute fury, guaranteeing that the Tories would keep them.
15% of the 40-59 age group support UKIP, as do 10% of the 18-24 age group, according to this poll. They're all of working age.
Among the over 60's, plenty are still working, and this proportion will increase, as people live longer and need to make ends meet, in the face of dwindling pensions.
IMHO, it is the wealthiest voters who are least receptive to UKIP, including those who have done very well out of rising property prices. It's the voters who are worried about their children having a worse standard of living than their own who are most receptive to UKIP.
You are boring. You are wrong. Use whatever metric you wish.
Study Nineteenth Century history. Look at what happened within England between 1860 and 1913. Comparing and contrasting England - an imperial power - with a nationalist movement that unified the non-liberal areas of the Holy Roman Empire is facile without facts.
It is like talking to a SNat: In which way was Prussia bigger than England. Until you understand the question you will fail to understand Unionism and Conservatism.
Grade: E.
I have given you the area figures for Prussia and England (NOTE to our Dutch Denizens - England, not GB or the UK!). If you want to ignore the stats like our 'friend' Wee Timmy, be my guest, Liebling!
There's a quote by someone clever then I to the effect that the elderly always feel like immigrants in their own land. The voting patterns above certainly set that out. UKIP have tapped into that quite well but I'd suggest that there's something of a disconnect between the [relatively] articulate advocates no to EU does not mean no to the world and what I see as the majority of their support which, although they could not say it, believe in autarky for the UK.
To give my thoughts on [@Antifrank's] comments as to why the young let this happen, I'd look to a few things. Firstly, and most importantly, most young people's are looking to other things than politics - sex and employment amongst them - and, honestly, the sort of younger people who are into politics are the sort that you'd cross the street to avoid: think overkeen 18 year old standing as a LD candidate, student-grant type socialist workers or fat girls in taffeta dresses [YCs]. Secondly there is a practial issue of registration: when you are a student, knowing the processes for voter registration, let alone doing it, is something of a challenge. Finally, there may be a vicious circle in effect - the old (and the state-employed) vote therefore parties look to avoid pi**ing them off but that means that the burdens fall elsewhere, and where better than those who don't vote or don't fall into one of the priviliged classes.
I'd be interested in hearing that quote if you find it. That's how I imagine old people must feel, and one of the reasons I changed my views on immigration 180*
I can't have politicians moaning about immigrants from poorer countries all living in one house, sending money home etc while slum landlords make money out of it... What do they think is going to happen when Polish electricians are undercutting British ones by earning £60 a day, 7 days a week cash in hand? you can't live properly in the SE on that so they all live together in khazis.
You are boring. You are wrong. Use whatever metric you wish.
Study Nineteenth Century history. Look at what happened within England between 1860 and 1913. Comparing and contrasting England - an imperial power - with a nationalist movement that unified the non-liberal areas of the Holy Roman Empire is facile without facts.
It is like talking to a SNat: In which way was Prussia bigger than England. Until you understand the question you will fail to understand Unionism and Conservatism.
Grade: E.
I have given you the area figures for Prussia and England (NOTE to our Dutch Denizens - England, not GB or the UK!). If you want to ignore the stats like our 'friend' Wee Timmy, be my guest, Liebling!
The kingdom of Prussia was at its maximum extent at the beginning of C19 just after it had partitioned Poland for the 3rd time and swallowed up Hanover.
There's a quote by someone clever then I to the effect that the elderly always feel like immigrants in their own land. The voting patterns above certainly set that out. UKIP have tapped into that quite well but I'd suggest that there's something of a disconnect between the [relatively] articulate advocates no to EU does not mean no to the world and what I see as the majority of their support which, although they could not say it, believe in autarky for the UK.
To give my thoughts on [@Antifrank's] comments as to why the young let this happen, I'd look to a few things. Firstly, and most importantly, most young people's are looking to other things than politics - sex and employment amongst them - and, honestly, the sort of younger people who are into politics are the sort that you'd cross the street to avoid: think overkeen 18 year old standing as a LD candidate, student-grant type socialist workers or fat girls in taffeta dresses [YCs]. Secondly there is a practial issue of registration: when you are a student, knowing the processes for voter registration, let alone doing it, is something of a challenge. Finally, there may be a vicious circle in effect - the old (and the state-employed) vote therefore parties look to avoid pi**ing them off but that means that the burdens fall elsewhere, and where better than those who don't vote or don't fall into one of the priviliged classes.
I'd be interested in hearing that quote if you find it. That's how I imagine old people must feel, and one of the reasons I changed my views on immigration 180*
Interesting. That sort of demographic shift must apply to most of Northern Europe.
Must really f*ck over the age-profile of the immigrants' countries of origin though. I'd hate to be responsible for the state pension scheme in Romania.
You are boring. You are wrong. Use whatever metric you wish.
Study Nineteenth Century history. Look at what happened within England between 1860 and 1913. Comparing and contrasting England - an imperial power - with a nationalist movement that unified the non-liberal areas of the Holy Roman Empire is facile without facts.
It is like talking to a SNat: In which way was Prussia bigger than England. Until you understand the question you will fail to understand Unionism and Conservatism.
Grade: E.
I have given you the area figures for Prussia and England (NOTE to our Dutch Denizens - England, not GB or the UK!). If you want to ignore the stats like our 'friend' Wee Timmy, be my guest, Liebling!
The kingdom of Prussia was at its maximum extent at the beginning of C19 just after it had partitioned Poland for the 3rd time and swallowed up Hanover.
However it lost the area around Warsaw ("South Prussia") firstly to the Grand Duchy of Warsaw and then to Russia by the end of the Napoleonic era (1815). But gained territory in the west (Hanover, Schleswig et al.) by 1870.
But the question asked was "Do you think that Nigel Farage is doing well or badly as leader of the UK Independence Party", which is a very different question to that of leading the UK.
However, when asked, "Do you think each of the following would make a better or worse Prime Minister than David Cameron?", only 11% thought NF would be better and 40% thought he would be worse (19% said neither and 30% were DK). Only 58% of the UKIPers thought he would be better.
So far, I have not been able to find a poll about that quality - leadership - which has been a strong topic recently - for any present or potential PM. Can any PBer point me in the right direction?
You have to ask people questions they can answer in a meaningful way.
It's as clear as day that Nigel Farage is doing well as leader of UKIP, much as I dislike UKIP as a party and distrust Farage. That's why the YouGov question is pointless, and the MORI approve/disapprove more meaningful.
I'm not sure I could accurately judge whether someone had leadership qualities based on a hypothetical question. It seems pretty clear that Cameron has not risen to the particularly demanding situation he has found himself in, but there isn't enough evidence to judge either way for Miliband, Farage, et al.
My take on this poll, is that the 60+ voters are looking at self interest and not of the country. They may have bought property when it was more affordable and be comfortable in their retirement. They would not be worried about leaving the EU, with the possible consequences of this affecting UK trade with the EU. Whereas those currently of working age, see the world differently. They are struggling with the costs of home ownership/costs of rent and the general costs of living. They don't get the winter fuel allowance and the free bus passes etc.
People under 60 must make sure they use their vote, otherwise the 60 & overs may well decide the future of the UK, when it is not in the interests of the whole country. For far too long Labour and Tories have been buying elections, by bribing pensioners with state benefits. They know these are the most likely to vote and we see the biding war between these parties near an election. Remember in 2010, when Labour said the Tories were going to cut some benefits and Cameron reacted with absolute fury, guaranteeing that the Tories would keep them.
15% of the 40-59 age group support UKIP, as do 10% of the 18-24 age group, according to this poll. They're all of working age.
Among the over 60's, plenty are still working, and this proportion will increase, as people live longer and need to make ends meet, in the face of dwindling pensions.
IMHO, it is the wealthiest voters who are least receptive to UKIP, including those who have done very well out of rising property prices. It's the voters who are worried about their children having a worse standard of living than their own who are most receptive to UKIP.
In this poll, 73% of UKIP supporters consider the economy the most important issue.
Interesting. That sort of demographic shift must apply to most of Northern Europe.
Must really f*ck over the age-profile of the immigrants' countries of origin though. I'd hate to be responsible for the state pension scheme in Romania.
This is my thought. Why are Romania and Bulgaria so keen on a system that encourages their brightest and best to migrate? Surely it is in their interests to be in the EU but with restricted migration rights. When their economies have converged with the EU average the border controls could be relaxed and there would be much fewer disruptive population shifts, and much more viable economies.
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18-24: 12%
25-39: 11%
40-59: 8%
60+: 7%
Page numbers would have been nice!
"Paramedics were told they could not rush to the aid of a BBC staff member who appeared to be having a cardiac arrest in the newsroom because of strict rules designed to regulate on-screen behaviour, it has been reported...
Sue Harris, of the NUJ, said: 'The member of [BBC] staff had to struggle out of camera shot to get to the paramedic as the crew weren’t allowed to walk across the newsroom to them because of their high-vis jackets.
'This cannot be allowed to happen again. A more sensible solution has to be found, such as putting screens up. Fortunately on this occasion the person in question was not critically ill, but the BBC cannot let petty rules potentially put lives in danger.'
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Giles Dilnot @reporterboy 43s
Ed Miliband's Fergie Twibute sounds suspiciously as if a minion has told him the man's dead !
Ed MilibandVerified account @Ed_Miliband
Proud man. Great manager. Staunch Labour Party supporter. Sir Alex Ferguson will never be forgotten.
My account is with Billy Knoll. They don't have "Curbs" as a contender. How do I get them to give me odds on-line...?
RIP Fergie
No-one truly knows. It depends on four things.
1. High profile candidates. Farage....and... errm?
2. The level of votes. More is better.
3. The standard deviation of the vote. More is better.
4. The relative standing of the parties. Closer is better.
The best example we have is the SDP in 1983 for 26% of the vote. None of their 6 seat wins was truly unexpected. Four incumbents, one by-election victor, and a seat which had previously been Liberal for most of the century. But the SDP only came within spitting distance in two other seats which did not include such factors - Stevenage and Durham...
So Baxter is probably not far off the mark.
An example: a 1941 article on jet aircraft:
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1941/1941 - 2371.html?search=Whittle e.28/39 pioneer
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Immigration, high-speed rail, cigarette packaging & dangerous dogs - what to expect in Queen's Speech http://bbc.in/10p0UDK #QueensSpeech
Please go back to learning about Prussia, Prussia-Brandenburg and Germanic history. "Air International" is still published by 'Key Publishing': Other, limited circulation magazines - "Air Enthusiast" and "Flight International" - are/were mere ripples on the tsunami of mode-kit reviews....
:cough:
You seem to like these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_International
:cough:
unspoofable...
Seems 'Flight' dealt with real planes, not kits.
But remember: Prussia at its height in 1870 was bigger than England. Ja? Sehr gut!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prussiamap.gif
Christ. Talk about dumbing down.
Everyone accepts that there is a toxic legacy in many voters' eyes from the 18 years that ended in the 1997 landslide, and in the years to come the Labour party will have to accept that there is an effect due to the legacy of Iraq and the Great Recession.
The flailing is amusingly desperate - I'm waiting for references to Gideon, Enoch, toffs, country suppers et al as diversionary posts.
Those who fall for them need to get a grip - it's playground baiting fodder.
"there is absolutely nothing to fear in terms of trade from leaving the European Union, because on D+1 we'll find ourselves part of the European Economic Area and with a free trade deal."
.. which doesn't exactly chime with his comments on immigration, does it?
He told the conference: "The truth is, that on immigration, those three parties, the LibLabCon, are all the same, because they all support a total open door to the whole of Eastern Europe.
"They all support that door being flung even wider open to the 29m people from Bulgaria and Romania ."
It seems that UKIP also supports a total open door to the whole of Eastern Europe.
http://www.efdgroup.eu/newsroom/item/eea-farage-s-response-to-pm-cameron.html
http://www.udi.no/Norwegian-Directorate-of-Immigration/Central-topics/Work-and-residence/Work-and-residence-EUEEAEFTA-citizens/
http://news.sky.com/story/1068755/farage-ukip-a-real-alternative-to-main-parties
The only way any of this can be done is to leave the EU. Your analogy of chamomile tea and strong brew was spot on.
Policing of these things is much tighter than previously, and overseas patients generally happy to pay.
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I count about 500 twitter users who point out to Ed that Fergie is not dead.
timmy - why can't you be nice about rEd - go on - big him up - sell him to us...
You can't - and deep down it's killing you...
The chances of being killed by a neighbour's dog or even your own is vanishingly small. It's pathetic popularist stuff using any metric. The whole reason such tales make the news is BECAUSE they are very rare events.
I don't recall the previous government publishing every draft bill in full on the same day as the Queen's Speech (may be I am wrong).
More likely that you are creating a new - and ridiculous - standard to hold ministers to.
@MrHarryCole: I count about 500 twitter users who point out to Ed that Fergie is not dead.
@David_Cameron: Sir Alex Ferguson’s achievement at #MUFC has been exceptional. Hopefully his retirement will make life a little easier for my team #AVFC
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Ac.prussiamap3.gif/300px-Ac.prussiamap3.gif
One is happy to help....
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Ac.prussiamap3.gif/300px-Ac.prussiamap3.gif
One is happy to help....
Actually in 1871, Prussia became Germany (or The German Empire if you like), so a date of 1870 should be acceptabubble.
I have sadly resigned myself to the fact that OGH's site is now funded by the "NHS Liverpool Pathway for Care-in-the-Community". We may be wasting our taxes but it keeps Wee-Timmy amused (and employs five Latvian 'care-workers')!
:rejoice:
Cats are OK in my book, though!
As one of the country’s leading fertility experts, Lord Winston might be expected to surround himself with the brightest minds at work. But the Labour peer has admitted ‘deliberately’ discriminating against job applicants with first class degrees.
Those that have fallen short of academic brilliance are often better employees because they are more rounded individuals who work well in a team, the scientist and The Human Body presenter claimed.
‘I know scientists who are amazingly stupid,’ he said. ‘And in my laboratory I have appointed scientists on the whole that didn’t get first-class honours degrees, deliberately, quite specifically, because, actually, I would rather have young people around me who developed other interests at university and didn’t just focus entirely on getting that first.
‘That’s been a very successful strategy. It’s produced a lot of useful science because we’ve worked as a group of friends, a team. That’s very much more important than almost anything else.’
The comments, made to pupils from Clapton Girls Academy who were delegates of this year’s London International Youth Science Forum, may be influenced by Lord Winston’s own academic background.
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Conquests and incorporation are not analogous to nations nor states. England did not exists in Canuck-land, Oz, India or Scotland. The creation of the German state - in 1871 - was a reaction to Prussia, not the result of!
Your medical training should recognise that! When a foreign host invades another cell it does not mean that the latter is the fore. It merely means...?
To give my thoughts on [@Antifrank's] comments as to why the young let this happen, I'd look to a few things. Firstly, and most importantly, most young people's are looking to other things than politics - sex and employment amongst them - and, honestly, the sort of younger people who are into politics are the sort that you'd cross the street to avoid: think overkeen 18 year old standing as a LD candidate, student-grant type socialist workers or fat girls in taffeta dresses [YCs]. Secondly there is a practial issue of registration: when you are a student, knowing the processes for voter registration, let alone doing it, is something of a challenge. Finally, there may be a vicious circle in effect - the old (and the state-employed) vote therefore parties look to avoid pi**ing them off but that means that the burdens fall elsewhere, and where better than those who don't vote or don't fall into one of the priviliged classes.
First Thatcher dies, then Ferguson retires. Somewhere there is a Scouser with a lamp and one wish left.
*not 360 as I originally said!
@paulwaugh: Looks like @Ed_Miliband getting a Twitterkicking for suggesting Sir Alex Ferguson is dead. #perilsoftweetingtributes
I’m concerned that there don’t seem to be measures in what they’re proposing to crack down on employers who use legal migration to not pay the minimum wage, recruitment agencies that only hire from overseas, slum landlords that put lots of people in one house – legal migrants.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2013/may/08/queens-speech-2013-politics-live
I just realised that! Haha ill edit it
Despite time...?
BTW Prussia was a single Kingdom.
BTW2 Forgot to quote the relative land areas!:
Area of Englandistan: 130,000 sq. km.
Area of Kingdom of Prussia (as was): 349,000 sq. Km.
(apologies in advance for metric!)
Not about white flight obviously, you have never moved me one inch from my original position. I just accept that you are a supporter of importing foreigners into communities whatever the feelings of the people who lived there, and won't accept the fact that they then do the frank bough.
You are boring. You are wrong. Use whatever metric you wish.
Study Nineteenth Century history. Look at what happened within England between 1860 and 1913. Comparing and contrasting England - an imperial power - with a nationalist movement that unified the non-liberal areas of the Holy Roman Empire is facile without facts.
It is like talking to a SNat: In which way was Prussia bigger than England. Until you understand the question you will fail to understand Unionism and Conservatism.
Grade: E.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/jeremy-warner/10040303/Britains-economy-is-fast-decoupling-from-Europe.html
"While out in Washington recently, I asked a number of US commentators why it was that Britain was so widely seen as some kind of horrific caricature of fiscal austerity gone wrong, whereas, as far as I could see, there hadn't been much austerity, and relatively speaking, the UK economy wasn't performing that badly.
Partly it was rhetoric, I was told. The UK Chancellor boasted of austerity even though he might be practising something else. Also it was to do with a number of high-profile American economics professors who take their cue from the shadow chancellor, Ed Balls.
He studied under one of them, and would have got to know some of the others during his time as Gordon Brown's adviser. In my experience, the rhetoric and the facts are rarely the same, but strangely this old truism seems to have escaped parts of US academia."
Among the over 60's, plenty are still working, and this proportion will increase, as people live longer and need to make ends meet, in the face of dwindling pensions.
IMHO, it is the wealthiest voters who are least receptive to UKIP, including those who have done very well out of rising property prices. It's the voters who are worried about their children having a worse standard of living than their own who are most receptive to UKIP.
Do they have a Germanic version of the Daily Mail?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22446774
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Must really f*ck over the age-profile of the immigrants' countries of origin though. I'd hate to be responsible for the state pension scheme in Romania.
It's as clear as day that Nigel Farage is doing well as leader of UKIP, much as I dislike UKIP as a party and distrust Farage. That's why the YouGov question is pointless, and the MORI approve/disapprove more meaningful.
I'm not sure I could accurately judge whether someone had leadership qualities based on a hypothetical question. It seems pretty clear that Cameron has not risen to the particularly demanding situation he has found himself in, but there isn't enough evidence to judge either way for Miliband, Farage, et al.
1. immigration
2. economy
3. EU
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4918911/Brits-wake-up-to-UKIP.html