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  • FossFoss Posts: 1,808
    Nigelb said:

    Cyclefree said:



    boulay said:

    Battlebus said:

    Good morning and may I tap into the PB expertise on badgers? For some reason a local badger has taken to arriving at 4:00 to dig up some newly laid topsoil and grass seeding. Could the panel suggest how I get the beast to visit my neighbours, whom we dislike. instead.

    Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells.

    Maybe buy a bag of dry dog food and throw handfuls into your neighbour’s garden when they are out which might attract the badger there for an easy meal. Perhaps leave a little trail from away from your garden towards theirs from the wilds where the badgers live.

    Either that or just kill one with a spade and leave it on a post as a warning to other badgers.
    Er..... no.

    Badgers are a protected species in the U.K. Do that and you're committing a criminal offence under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981.

    How is the badger getting into your garden?
    I think Robert established that the kill with a spade comment referred to the dislikable neighbours ?
    The State frowns on that kind of thing as well.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,747

    Carnyx said:

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/25508374.firm-linked-michelle-mone-repay-uk-government-122m/?ref=ebbn&nid=1457&u=f140ec39d500193051a33e140c12bd95&date=011025

    News on PPE Medpro front: almost, but not quite, all bawbees have to be repaid.

    'A COMPANY linked to Michelle Mone has been told it must repay the UK Government nearly £122 million back after it breached a contract to supply surgical gowns during the pandemic.

    The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) sued PPE Medpro, saying the company had provided 25m “faulty” gowns that were not sterile.

    Lawyers for the Government told a trial earlier this year that it was entitled to recover the £121m cost of the contract, as well as the costs of transporting and storing the items, which amount to an additional £8,648,691.'

    How surprised would anyone be if by the time this is finalised the company no longer has the means to repay the taxpayer and the money is safely in the accounts of its owners instead......
    I can't believe you could even conceive of such a notion.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,759
    This morning’s grandstanding at Quantico only solidified what we already know: @PeteHegseth continues to disparage and lie about women in the military.

    He claimed the military needs to “return to the male standard” in combat jobs (of 1990!), but here’s the truth: there has never been a separate male and female standard. When women entered combat roles, one standard was set, and we’ve been meeting it ever since. You can either do the job or you can’t. Period...

    https://x.com/AmyMcGrathKY/status/1973080569576624326
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,785

    A article from 10 years ago about the Russian strategic steam reserve:

    https://theweek.com/articles/454970/logic-behind-worlds-4-weirdest-strategic-reserves

    And they've hidden it in Box Tunnel?
    Yeah, I hear Harold Wilson, as part of his role as Soviet spy, got them there. They were dragged in from Avonmouth Docks behind the APT-E. All photos were then destroyed and bystanders' minds wiped by Wilson's KGB. The unions got to hear about it, which was why they blacklisted the APT-E. It was nothing to do with seats in the cab...
    There’s no room for steam engines in Box tunnel. It’s full of Deltics waiting to save the day and fight off the evil class 37s.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,783
    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    TimS said:

    The budget will be the Tories’ last chance to claw it back. We should get a solid 2-3 weeks where Reform is largely irrelevant. Nobody takes their fiscal prognostications seriously, I suspect even their own voters. Likewise the Greens.

    I think the Tories’ last chance is probably the leadership contest in 2026 (which must be coming). They’ve probably got one more roll of the dice to stay relevant - but it will need a big shift in momentum and direction from their new leader, and I’m not convinced there’s anyone who can offer that. Jenrick, for all his ills, is the closest in the sense that he can at least get headlines.
    The only headlines he will go for are on immigration and its tangents. Which boosts Reform and hurts the Conservatives as the question the Conservatives simply cannot answer is if it is such an existential issue why did they not just achieve no reduction in 14 years but ended up with the biggest wave of immigration in our history and a gridlocked court system that couldn't cope?
    What would kill the issue absolutely stone dead for the Tories, would be Labour having a degree of success in reducing the numbers significantly.

    Between that on one side, and the Reform ultras on the other, there would be no credible space to occupy, given their record in the previous government.
    Net immigration now falling due to Sunak and Cleverly's tighter visa wage rules.

    Taxes going up under Labour though

    DM for you.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,186
    Cyclefree said:



    boulay said:

    Battlebus said:

    Good morning and may I tap into the PB expertise on badgers? For some reason a local badger has taken to arriving at 4:00 to dig up some newly laid topsoil and grass seeding. Could the panel suggest how I get the beast to visit my neighbours, whom we dislike. instead.

    Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells.

    Maybe buy a bag of dry dog food and throw handfuls into your neighbour’s garden when they are out which might attract the badger there for an easy meal. Perhaps leave a little trail from away from your garden towards theirs from the wilds where the badgers live.

    Either that or just kill one with a spade and leave it on a post as a warning to other badgers.
    Er..... no.

    Badgers are a protected species in the U.K. Do that and you're committing a criminal offence under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981.

    How is the badger getting into your garden?
    Ha. We have exactly the same issue. Some mornings the lawn looks like a WW1 battlefield.

    They are very determined, badgers. I keep thinking I have sealed off the garden (we already have a deer fence due to roe deer taking a liking to our plants) but they seem to find an alternative way in each time. The battle continues, but I wouldn't bet against the Brocks.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,653
    edited October 1

    A article from 10 years ago about the Russian strategic steam reserve:

    https://theweek.com/articles/454970/logic-behind-worlds-4-weirdest-strategic-reserves

    And they've hidden it in Box Tunnel?
    Yeah, I hear Harold Wilson, as part of his role as Soviet spy, got them there. They were dragged in from Avonmouth Docks behind the APT-E. All photos were then destroyed and bystanders' minds wiped by Wilson's KGB. The unions got to hear about it, which was why they blacklisted the APT-E. It was nothing to do with seats in the cab...
    There’s no room for steam engines in Box tunnel. It’s full of Deltics waiting to save the day and fight off the evil class 37s.
    BURN THEM !!!!! DESTROY THEM WITH FIRE !!!!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,345
    rcs1000 said:

    Carnyx said:

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/25508374.firm-linked-michelle-mone-repay-uk-government-122m/?ref=ebbn&nid=1457&u=f140ec39d500193051a33e140c12bd95&date=011025

    News on PPE Medpro front: almost, but not quite, all bawbees have to be repaid.

    'A COMPANY linked to Michelle Mone has been told it must repay the UK Government nearly £122 million back after it breached a contract to supply surgical gowns during the pandemic.

    The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) sued PPE Medpro, saying the company had provided 25m “faulty” gowns that were not sterile.

    Lawyers for the Government told a trial earlier this year that it was entitled to recover the £121m cost of the contract, as well as the costs of transporting and storing the items, which amount to an additional £8,648,691.'

    How surprised would anyone be if by the time this is finalised the company no longer has the means to repay the taxpayer and the money is safely in the accounts of its owners instead......
    I can't believe you could even conceive of such a notion.
    The stupid thing would been not setting up a separate company for this deal. One that owns only a large pile of debt.

    That old classic - the builder who sets up a new company for every job. Alway check with Companies House - if they do that, run away.

    Another is in shipping. Each ship is owned by a different company, mortgaged to the eyeballs. Each ship is then operated by another company, also heavily in debt. The crew are hired as contractors, by yet another company.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,539

    A article from 10 years ago about the Russian strategic steam reserve:

    https://theweek.com/articles/454970/logic-behind-worlds-4-weirdest-strategic-reserves

    And they've hidden it in Box Tunnel?
    Yeah, I hear Harold Wilson, as part of his role as Soviet spy, got them there. They were dragged in from Avonmouth Docks behind the APT-E. All photos were then destroyed and bystanders' minds wiped by Wilson's KGB. The unions got to hear about it, which was why they blacklisted the APT-E. It was nothing to do with seats in the cab...
    There’s no room for steam engines in Box tunnel. It’s full of Deltics waiting to save the day and fight off the evil class 37s.
    BURN THEM !!!!! DESTROY THEM WITH FIRE !!!!
    Funny thing about having a national steam reserve is that we do have one. All those preserved lines and their steam locos (plus numerous diesels) all over the country. No need to hide them in tunnels...
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,813

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Starmer got his speech just right yesterday. Farage has been allowed to get away with murder. He's a full on xenophobe/racist and though late in the day Starmer has finally called him out for what he is. If voters are attracted to that then let the vast majority who don't see themselves that way understand the dividing line.

    Starmer was impressive yesterday as was Lammy. Labour have taken a year and a half to get the tone right. Don't row back.

    Lammy said Farage had links with the Hitler Youth. An organisation disbanded two decades before Farage was born
    Maybe he could try a defence of it wasn't the Hitler Youth it was the National Front on a bus?

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2024/jun/14/he-was-a-deeply-unembarrassed-racist-nigel-farage-by-those-who-have-known-him

    "Chloe Deakin, an English teacher at Dulwich college, wrote in 1981: “You will recall that at the recent, and lengthy, meeting about the selection of prefects, the remark by a colleague that Farage was ‘a fascist but that was no reason why he would not make a good prefect’ invoked considerable reaction from members of the common room.

    “Another colleague, who teaches the boy, described his publicly professed racist and neo-fascist views, and he cited a particular incident in which Farage was so offensive to a boy in his set, that he had to be removed from the lesson.”

    One Jewish pupil claimed Farage would sidle up to him and say: “Hitler was right,” or “Gas ’em.” Another claimed Farage had a preoccupation with his initials, NF, as they were the same as those of the National Front."
    Yuck. Show me the boy, I'll show you the man.
    I'm unsure that's true, or fair, in all cases.

    I was recently chatting to a friend from uni. I made the old aside that people turn more right-wing as they grow older. She turned to me and said: "Not you; you've become more left-wing!"

    Which we then discussed. :) : I see it slightly differently: it's just that I am less reactionary. Things that use to really annoy me, or get me het up, tend to just elicit little more than a shrug. Things I used to think were really important seem less so, now. Perhaps I have mellowed.

    She has actually made the reverse journey, and has become somewhat less left-wing as the decades have gone by.
    I think that as one gets older the difficulty of classifying people as simply left or right wing becomes more obvious. It's tempting for newspaper articles but like you most of us have simply become more nuanced. Nonetheless, people over 60 have more often accumulated wealth than the young, and that tends to make them less keen on redistribution.

    Personally I think of myself as just as left-wing as always on economic grounds, but then I run into some new defining characteristic like attitude to gender differentiation (where I don't know what I think, really). Bottom line: beware of stereotyping people with a simple one-liner - it's not helpful beyond a first approximation.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,653

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Starmer got his speech just right yesterday. Farage has been allowed to get away with murder. He's a full on xenophobe/racist and though late in the day Starmer has finally called him out for what he is. If voters are attracted to that then let the vast majority who don't see themselves that way understand the dividing line.

    Starmer was impressive yesterday as was Lammy. Labour have taken a year and a half to get the tone right. Don't row back.

    Lammy said Farage had links with the Hitler Youth. An organisation disbanded two decades before Farage was born
    Maybe he could try a defence of it wasn't the Hitler Youth it was the National Front on a bus?

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2024/jun/14/he-was-a-deeply-unembarrassed-racist-nigel-farage-by-those-who-have-known-him

    "Chloe Deakin, an English teacher at Dulwich college, wrote in 1981: “You will recall that at the recent, and lengthy, meeting about the selection of prefects, the remark by a colleague that Farage was ‘a fascist but that was no reason why he would not make a good prefect’ invoked considerable reaction from members of the common room.

    “Another colleague, who teaches the boy, described his publicly professed racist and neo-fascist views, and he cited a particular incident in which Farage was so offensive to a boy in his set, that he had to be removed from the lesson.”

    One Jewish pupil claimed Farage would sidle up to him and say: “Hitler was right,” or “Gas ’em.” Another claimed Farage had a preoccupation with his initials, NF, as they were the same as those of the National Front."
    Yuck. Show me the boy, I'll show you the man.
    I'm unsure that's true, or fair, in all cases.

    I was recently chatting to a friend from uni. I made the old aside that people turn more right-wing as they grow older. She turned to me and said: "Not you; you've become more left-wing!"

    Which we then discussed. :) : I see it slightly differently: it's just that I am less reactionary. Things that use to really annoy me, or get me het up, tend to just elicit little more than a shrug. Things I used to think were really important seem less so, now. Perhaps I have mellowed.

    She has actually made the reverse journey, and has become somewhat less left-wing as the decades have gone by.
    I think that as one gets older the difficulty of classifying people as simply left or right wing becomes more obvious. It's tempting for newspaper articles but like you most of us have simply become more nuanced. Nonetheless, people over 60 have more often accumulated wealth than the young, and that tends to make them less keen on redistribution.

    Personally I think of myself as just as left-wing as always on economic grounds, but then I run into some new defining characteristic like attitude to gender differentiation (where I don't know what I think, really). Bottom line: beware of stereotyping people with a simple one-liner - it's not helpful beyond a first approximation.
    People are complex.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,759
    rcs1000 said:

    Carnyx said:

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/25508374.firm-linked-michelle-mone-repay-uk-government-122m/?ref=ebbn&nid=1457&u=f140ec39d500193051a33e140c12bd95&date=011025

    News on PPE Medpro front: almost, but not quite, all bawbees have to be repaid.

    'A COMPANY linked to Michelle Mone has been told it must repay the UK Government nearly £122 million back after it breached a contract to supply surgical gowns during the pandemic.

    The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) sued PPE Medpro, saying the company had provided 25m “faulty” gowns that were not sterile.

    Lawyers for the Government told a trial earlier this year that it was entitled to recover the £121m cost of the contract, as well as the costs of transporting and storing the items, which amount to an additional £8,648,691.'

    How surprised would anyone be if by the time this is finalised the company no longer has the means to repay the taxpayer and the money is safely in the accounts of its owners instead......
    I can't believe you could even conceive of such a notion.
    That would rather undercut her "supplied in good faith" defence, though.

    Chasing (say) a Chinese supplier for potential malfeasance in supplying PPE during the pandemic would likely be a waste of time.
    Not sure that's the case here.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,587

    Barnesian said:

    Morning all.
    Labours More in Common Bounce disintegrates as they siip to joint second with the Tories

    Weekly voting intention - all fieldwork before Starmer speech - Reform lead back up to 10. Tories and Labour tie on 20%.

    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+2)
    🌹 LAB 20% (-5)
    🌳 CON 20% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+1)
    🌍 GREEN 8% (nc)
    🟡 SNP 3% (nc)
    ❓OTH 4% (+1)

    N = 2,012 | 26-29/9 | Change w 22/9

    ID policy impacting Labour?
    Combination of last week being an obvious outlier top end for Lab and noise imo.
    Starmer is at his lowest ever with MiC this week but I believe this is also Labours lowest ever with MiC too so perhaps there's been a negative reaction on top of the noise
    And it is getting worse for Labour.

    The Mail is suggesting today (as Nige did yesterday) that Starmer has furtively placed a murderous target on Nigey's sainted back.
    And it's getting even more worser: Sir Keir is now being held personally responsible for Donald Trump's incendiary remarks about Sadiq Khan and Sharia law:

    https://news.sky.com/story/farage-isnt-racist-says-pm-as-hes-challenged-over-trumps-sharia-law-comment-13441725

    Hmm. Labour have to be a bit careful with the hair splitting here. The nuance will get lost in the fog of war.

    SKS’s stance is, as far as I can see:

    1. Reform’s immigration policy is racist
    2. Nigel Farage, the leader of Reform, is not racist, despite being responsible for its immigration policy, which is racist. He hates Britain though.
    3. People who support Reform and Nigel Farage (who is not racist) are not racist either nor do they hate Britain, despite the immigration policy of Reform, which is racist, and the fact Reform is led by Nigel Farage, who hates Britain.

    Yes, I am sure this can all be communicated in a clear, unambiguous way that avoids all doubt and will be taken at face value by the voters, media and social networks.

    The upshot of all this is an unknown, but it shifts the scenery a bit.

    It depends on whether Labour can successfully land on Reform the claim that they intend to put at serious risk of deportation the foreign nationals with visas/ILR/settled status that are our friends, neighbours, my eye specialist, half the NHS etc.

    If they can, Reform are in trouble.

    It also depends how people translate 'Reform policies are racist'. If that it taken to mean 'Reform intend to deport a lot of people who are one or more of: illegals, criminals, overstayers, culturally extremely different from what we think is the UK norm, wasters, benefit frauds, then several million people will quietly say 'Fine. with me'. And Labour are in trouble.

    It's wonderfully unknowable. Both Labour and Reform are going to be engaged in a long bout of tortured dog whistling in which mistakes will get punished. What counts as a mistake will sometimes only become clear after the event.

    It won't be dull.

    Score from yesterday: Farage to a notable extent came across as someone who can dish it out but not take it.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,534
    Cyclefree said:



    boulay said:

    Battlebus said:

    Good morning and may I tap into the PB expertise on badgers? For some reason a local badger has taken to arriving at 4:00 to dig up some newly laid topsoil and grass seeding. Could the panel suggest how I get the beast to visit my neighbours, whom we dislike. instead.

    Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells.

    Maybe buy a bag of dry dog food and throw handfuls into your neighbour’s garden when they are out which might attract the badger there for an easy meal. Perhaps leave a little trail from away from your garden towards theirs from the wilds where the badgers live.

    Either that or just kill one with a spade and leave it on a post as a warning to other badgers.
    Er..... no.

    Badgers are a protected species in the U.K. Do that and you're committing a criminal offence under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981.

    How is the badger getting into your garden?
    It really wasn’t a serious suggestion, I hoped that the idea of them being left on posts as a warning to other badgers signalled the silliness of it.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,044

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Starmer got his speech just right yesterday. Farage has been allowed to get away with murder. He's a full on xenophobe/racist and though late in the day Starmer has finally called him out for what he is. If voters are attracted to that then let the vast majority who don't see themselves that way understand the dividing line.

    Starmer was impressive yesterday as was Lammy. Labour have taken a year and a half to get the tone right. Don't row back.

    Lammy said Farage had links with the Hitler Youth. An organisation disbanded two decades before Farage was born
    Maybe he could try a defence of it wasn't the Hitler Youth it was the National Front on a bus?

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2024/jun/14/he-was-a-deeply-unembarrassed-racist-nigel-farage-by-those-who-have-known-him

    "Chloe Deakin, an English teacher at Dulwich college, wrote in 1981: “You will recall that at the recent, and lengthy, meeting about the selection of prefects, the remark by a colleague that Farage was ‘a fascist but that was no reason why he would not make a good prefect’ invoked considerable reaction from members of the common room.

    “Another colleague, who teaches the boy, described his publicly professed racist and neo-fascist views, and he cited a particular incident in which Farage was so offensive to a boy in his set, that he had to be removed from the lesson.”

    One Jewish pupil claimed Farage would sidle up to him and say: “Hitler was right,” or “Gas ’em.” Another claimed Farage had a preoccupation with his initials, NF, as they were the same as those of the National Front."
    Yuck. Show me the boy, I'll show you the man.
    I'm unsure that's true, or fair, in all cases.

    I was recently chatting to a friend from uni. I made the old aside that people turn more right-wing as they grow older. She turned to me and said: "Not you; you've become more left-wing!"

    Which we then discussed. :) : I see it slightly differently: it's just that I am less reactionary. Things that use to really annoy me, or get me het up, tend to just elicit little more than a shrug. Things I used to think were really important seem less so, now. Perhaps I have mellowed.

    She has actually made the reverse journey, and has become somewhat less left-wing as the decades have gone by.
    I think that as one gets older the difficulty of classifying people as simply left or right wing becomes more obvious. It's tempting for newspaper articles but like you most of us have simply become more nuanced. Nonetheless, people over 60 have more often accumulated wealth than the young, and that tends to make them less keen on redistribution.

    Personally I think of myself as just as left-wing as always on economic grounds, but then I run into some new defining characteristic like attitude to gender differentiation (where I don't know what I think, really). Bottom line: beware of stereotyping people with a simple one-liner - it's not helpful beyond a first approximation.
    People are complex.
    (raises hand)

    I'm not.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,203

    ...

    Roger said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Starmer got his speech just right yesterday. Farage has been allowed to get away with murder. He's a full on xenophobe/racist and though late in the day Starmer has finally called him out for what he is. If voters are attracted to that then let the vast majority who don't see themselves that way understand the dividing line.

    Starmer was impressive yesterday as was Lammy. Labour have taken a year and a half to get the tone right. Don't row back.

    Lammy said Farage had links with the Hitler Youth. An organisation disbanded two decades before Farage was born
    I heard him say something about flirting with Nazism in his youth. Very smart of lammy to put it out there.

    Those who want to believe it will . Those like big boobs Betty from Barnsley on the BBC Vox Pop will also probably believe it but won't be bothered.
    It was the one real misstep widely criticised, including by labour supporters who are annoyed it dominated the news media

    Lammy back tracked on his comment subsequently
    Lammy is referencing widely reported stories from teachers at Dulwich College that Farage demonstrated "fascist" (their word) tendencies including allegedly singing Hitler Youth songs whilst on a field trip to Sussex.
    From Crick -

    Today's accusation by David Lammy about Farage & the Hitler Youth probably stems from a story I did years ago about a teacher at Dulwich College writing to the headmaster to say Farage was unsuitable to be a prefect since a colleague said he had "neo-fascist" views.

    And the teacher who complained to the head also quoted a colleague who said that on a CCF camp "Farage and others had marched through a quiet Sussex village very late at night, shouting Hitler Youth songs".

    Farage denied this when I broadcast the letter on C4 News. In researching that film & my subsequent biography, talking to c.60-80 people at his school, I found no corrororation for the Hitler Youth songs story, though plenty of evidence for much worse behaviour at school

    https://x.com/MichaelLCrick/status/1973114505694449898
    I apologise for my unintended fake news. But on the other hand your defence of Farage using Crick's confirmation is piss poor.
    It's clearly time to do a deep dive into Dulwich College's Farage portfolio. Crick used to be good at that sort of thing. The ghastly man has had a free ride but I suspect that now Starmer and Labour have rediscovered their backbone and they've given up on their anti semitism nonsense they can now take the gloves off.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,010
    edited October 1
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,587

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Starmer got his speech just right yesterday. Farage has been allowed to get away with murder. He's a full on xenophobe/racist and though late in the day Starmer has finally called him out for what he is. If voters are attracted to that then let the vast majority who don't see themselves that way understand the dividing line.

    Starmer was impressive yesterday as was Lammy. Labour have taken a year and a half to get the tone right. Don't row back.

    Lammy said Farage had links with the Hitler Youth. An organisation disbanded two decades before Farage was born
    Maybe he could try a defence of it wasn't the Hitler Youth it was the National Front on a bus?

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2024/jun/14/he-was-a-deeply-unembarrassed-racist-nigel-farage-by-those-who-have-known-him

    "Chloe Deakin, an English teacher at Dulwich college, wrote in 1981: “You will recall that at the recent, and lengthy, meeting about the selection of prefects, the remark by a colleague that Farage was ‘a fascist but that was no reason why he would not make a good prefect’ invoked considerable reaction from members of the common room.

    “Another colleague, who teaches the boy, described his publicly professed racist and neo-fascist views, and he cited a particular incident in which Farage was so offensive to a boy in his set, that he had to be removed from the lesson.”

    One Jewish pupil claimed Farage would sidle up to him and say: “Hitler was right,” or “Gas ’em.” Another claimed Farage had a preoccupation with his initials, NF, as they were the same as those of the National Front."
    Yuck. Show me the boy, I'll show you the man.
    I'm unsure that's true, or fair, in all cases.

    I was recently chatting to a friend from uni. I made the old aside that people turn more right-wing as they grow older. She turned to me and said: "Not you; you've become more left-wing!"

    Which we then discussed. :) : I see it slightly differently: it's just that I am less reactionary. Things that use to really annoy me, or get me het up, tend to just elicit little more than a shrug. Things I used to think were really important seem less so, now. Perhaps I have mellowed.

    She has actually made the reverse journey, and has become somewhat less left-wing as the decades have gone by.
    I think that as one gets older the difficulty of classifying people as simply left or right wing becomes more obvious. It's tempting for newspaper articles but like you most of us have simply become more nuanced. Nonetheless, people over 60 have more often accumulated wealth than the young, and that tends to make them less keen on redistribution.

    Personally I think of myself as just as left-wing as always on economic grounds, but then I run into some new defining characteristic like attitude to gender differentiation (where I don't know what I think, really). Bottom line: beware of stereotyping people with a simple one-liner - it's not helpful beyond a first approximation.
    We could do with a new political glossary, omitting 'left' and 'right' altogether. Currently for example 'left' does no justice to Labour people who have no intention whatever of shifting from the dominance of global capitalism as the basic working model of wealth production even though they don't say so. 'Right' does no justice to social conservatives who take for granted the gigantic cradle to grave state (like most Reform voters).
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,044

    Cyclefree said:



    boulay said:

    Battlebus said:

    Good morning and may I tap into the PB expertise on badgers? For some reason a local badger has taken to arriving at 4:00 to dig up some newly laid topsoil and grass seeding. Could the panel suggest how I get the beast to visit my neighbours, whom we dislike. instead.

    Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells.

    Maybe buy a bag of dry dog food and throw handfuls into your neighbour’s garden when they are out which might attract the badger there for an easy meal. Perhaps leave a little trail from away from your garden towards theirs from the wilds where the badgers live.

    Either that or just kill one with a spade and leave it on a post as a warning to other badgers.
    Er..... no.

    Badgers are a protected species in the U.K. Do that and you're committing a criminal offence under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981.

    How is the badger getting into your garden?
    Ha. We have exactly the same issue. Some mornings the lawn looks like a WW1 battlefield.

    They are very determined, badgers. I keep thinking I have sealed off the garden (we already have a deer fence due to roe deer taking a liking to our plants) but they seem to find an alternative way in each time. The battle continues, but I wouldn't bet against the Brocks.
    Before all the badgers were culled here in south Devon, the field behind our house would get as much as a third of the turf turned over. Hell of a mess.

    I was told the thing to do is scatter peanuts over the surface. A BIG bag of peanuts. They will take them off the surface, rather than destroy the grass looking for stuff underneath.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,116

    Cyclefree said:



    boulay said:

    Battlebus said:

    Good morning and may I tap into the PB expertise on badgers? For some reason a local badger has taken to arriving at 4:00 to dig up some newly laid topsoil and grass seeding. Could the panel suggest how I get the beast to visit my neighbours, whom we dislike. instead.

    Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells.

    Maybe buy a bag of dry dog food and throw handfuls into your neighbour’s garden when they are out which might attract the badger there for an easy meal. Perhaps leave a little trail from away from your garden towards theirs from the wilds where the badgers live.

    Either that or just kill one with a spade and leave it on a post as a warning to other badgers.
    Er..... no.

    Badgers are a protected species in the U.K. Do that and you're committing a criminal offence under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981.

    How is the badger getting into your garden?
    Ha. We have exactly the same issue. Some mornings the lawn looks like a WW1 battlefield.

    They are very determined, badgers. I keep thinking I have sealed off the garden (we already have a deer fence due to roe deer taking a liking to our plants) but they seem to find an alternative way in each time. The battle continues, but I wouldn't bet against the Brocks.
    Before all the badgers were culled here in south Devon, the field behind our house would get as much as a third of the turf turned over. Hell of a mess.

    I was told the thing to do is scatter peanuts over the surface. A BIG bag of peanuts. They will take them off the surface, rather than destroy the grass looking for stuff underneath.
    Bastard badgers. There's a pair of tracks down the length of our back garden where they use it to run between houses and the woods. And I have several holes dug by the bastards.
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,232
    Mixed bag of local by-elections tomorrow. We have a Lab defence in Cheshire West and Chester and another one in Wigan. There is a Con defence in Brentwood and a Ref defence in Isle of Wight. Finally we have an odd case in Maidstone - 3 Ind defences in one ward..
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,196
    Nigelb said:

    The Mormon faith has always seemed to me somewhat strange.
    But they are often also quite admirable.

    This morning with our burned down church still smoldering and four saints murdered, members of the Church of Jesus Christ raised $60k for...checks notes...the shooter's wife and children...
    https://x.com/DerekjAndersen/status/1973130297739977080

    Same reason that Charlie Kirk’s widow says that she forgives her husband’s murderer. Faith.

    The wife and children in this case did nothing wrong.

    Be more like the Mormons and Mrs Kirk.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,653
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Mormon faith has always seemed to me somewhat strange.
    But they are often also quite admirable.

    This morning with our burned down church still smoldering and four saints murdered, members of the Church of Jesus Christ raised $60k for...checks notes...the shooter's wife and children...
    https://x.com/DerekjAndersen/status/1973130297739977080

    Same reason that Charlie Kirk’s widow says that she forgives her husband’s murderer. Faith.

    The wife and children in this case did nothing wrong.

    Be more like the Mormons and Mrs Kirk.
    There are plenty of people with faith who will never show forgiveness; and plenty of people without faith who show forgiveness.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,857

    Cyclefree said:



    boulay said:

    Battlebus said:

    Good morning and may I tap into the PB expertise on badgers? For some reason a local badger has taken to arriving at 4:00 to dig up some newly laid topsoil and grass seeding. Could the panel suggest how I get the beast to visit my neighbours, whom we dislike. instead.

    Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells.

    Maybe buy a bag of dry dog food and throw handfuls into your neighbour’s garden when they are out which might attract the badger there for an easy meal. Perhaps leave a little trail from away from your garden towards theirs from the wilds where the badgers live.

    Either that or just kill one with a spade and leave it on a post as a warning to other badgers.
    Er..... no.

    Badgers are a protected species in the U.K. Do that and you're committing a criminal offence under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981.

    How is the badger getting into your garden?
    Ha. We have exactly the same issue. Some mornings the lawn looks like a WW1 battlefield.

    They are very determined, badgers. I keep thinking I have sealed off the garden (we already have a deer fence due to roe deer taking a liking to our plants) but they seem to find an alternative way in each time. The battle continues, but I wouldn't bet against the Brocks.
    Before all the badgers were culled here in south Devon, the field behind our house would get as much as a third of the turf turned over. Hell of a mess.

    I was told the thing to do is scatter peanuts over the surface. A BIG bag of peanuts. They will take them off the surface, rather than destroy the grass looking for stuff underneath.
    Bastard badgers. There's a pair of tracks down the length of our back garden where they use it to run between houses and the woods. And I have several holes dug by the bastards.
    Not a fan of old Brock then, RP?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,817
    Naples Archaeological Museum. Wow
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,587
    Roger said:

    ...

    Roger said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Starmer got his speech just right yesterday. Farage has been allowed to get away with murder. He's a full on xenophobe/racist and though late in the day Starmer has finally called him out for what he is. If voters are attracted to that then let the vast majority who don't see themselves that way understand the dividing line.

    Starmer was impressive yesterday as was Lammy. Labour have taken a year and a half to get the tone right. Don't row back.

    Lammy said Farage had links with the Hitler Youth. An organisation disbanded two decades before Farage was born
    I heard him say something about flirting with Nazism in his youth. Very smart of lammy to put it out there.

    Those who want to believe it will . Those like big boobs Betty from Barnsley on the BBC Vox Pop will also probably believe it but won't be bothered.
    It was the one real misstep widely criticised, including by labour supporters who are annoyed it dominated the news media

    Lammy back tracked on his comment subsequently
    Lammy is referencing widely reported stories from teachers at Dulwich College that Farage demonstrated "fascist" (their word) tendencies including allegedly singing Hitler Youth songs whilst on a field trip to Sussex.
    From Crick -

    Today's accusation by David Lammy about Farage & the Hitler Youth probably stems from a story I did years ago about a teacher at Dulwich College writing to the headmaster to say Farage was unsuitable to be a prefect since a colleague said he had "neo-fascist" views.

    And the teacher who complained to the head also quoted a colleague who said that on a CCF camp "Farage and others had marched through a quiet Sussex village very late at night, shouting Hitler Youth songs".

    Farage denied this when I broadcast the letter on C4 News. In researching that film & my subsequent biography, talking to c.60-80 people at his school, I found no corrororation for the Hitler Youth songs story, though plenty of evidence for much worse behaviour at school

    https://x.com/MichaelLCrick/status/1973114505694449898
    I apologise for my unintended fake news. But on the other hand your defence of Farage using Crick's confirmation is piss poor.
    It's clearly time to do a deep dive into Dulwich College's Farage portfolio. Crick used to be good at that sort of thing. The ghastly man has had a free ride but I suspect that now Starmer and Labour have rediscovered their backbone and they've given up on their anti semitism nonsense they can now take the gloves off.
    I doubt if many opinionated adults would survive the scrutiny well if everything they thought and said and did at school were unearthed, exaggerated and published.

    There was a time when it was routine for immature opinionated people in school to have ludicrous views in support of Stalin, Lenin, Che Guevara, Castro, Mao Tse Tung, the IRA and so on.

    The adult Farage is absolutely fair game, but not perhaps the absurd school boy.

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,345
    algarkirk said:

    Roger said:

    ...

    Roger said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Starmer got his speech just right yesterday. Farage has been allowed to get away with murder. He's a full on xenophobe/racist and though late in the day Starmer has finally called him out for what he is. If voters are attracted to that then let the vast majority who don't see themselves that way understand the dividing line.

    Starmer was impressive yesterday as was Lammy. Labour have taken a year and a half to get the tone right. Don't row back.

    Lammy said Farage had links with the Hitler Youth. An organisation disbanded two decades before Farage was born
    I heard him say something about flirting with Nazism in his youth. Very smart of lammy to put it out there.

    Those who want to believe it will . Those like big boobs Betty from Barnsley on the BBC Vox Pop will also probably believe it but won't be bothered.
    It was the one real misstep widely criticised, including by labour supporters who are annoyed it dominated the news media

    Lammy back tracked on his comment subsequently
    Lammy is referencing widely reported stories from teachers at Dulwich College that Farage demonstrated "fascist" (their word) tendencies including allegedly singing Hitler Youth songs whilst on a field trip to Sussex.
    From Crick -

    Today's accusation by David Lammy about Farage & the Hitler Youth probably stems from a story I did years ago about a teacher at Dulwich College writing to the headmaster to say Farage was unsuitable to be a prefect since a colleague said he had "neo-fascist" views.

    And the teacher who complained to the head also quoted a colleague who said that on a CCF camp "Farage and others had marched through a quiet Sussex village very late at night, shouting Hitler Youth songs".

    Farage denied this when I broadcast the letter on C4 News. In researching that film & my subsequent biography, talking to c.60-80 people at his school, I found no corrororation for the Hitler Youth songs story, though plenty of evidence for much worse behaviour at school

    https://x.com/MichaelLCrick/status/1973114505694449898
    I apologise for my unintended fake news. But on the other hand your defence of Farage using Crick's confirmation is piss poor.
    It's clearly time to do a deep dive into Dulwich College's Farage portfolio. Crick used to be good at that sort of thing. The ghastly man has had a free ride but I suspect that now Starmer and Labour have rediscovered their backbone and they've given up on their anti semitism nonsense they can now take the gloves off.
    I doubt if many opinionated adults would survive the scrutiny well if everything they thought and said and did at school were unearthed, exaggerated and published.

    There was a time when it was routine for immature opinionated people in school to have ludicrous views in support of Stalin, Lenin, Che Guevara, Castro, Mao Tse Tung, the IRA and so on.

    The adult Farage is absolutely fair game, but not perhaps the absurd school boy.

    At one bank, we amused ourselves at an interview by asking mocking questions about the social media posts of the candidate.

    Who, a few months earlier, had been advocating violence against the “Banksters”,
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,897
    "Rupert Lowe MP
    @RupertLowe10

    A local Great Yarmouth charity refused my salary donation today, clearly because they don’t like my approach to politics. Left-leaning people involved.

    Thousands of pounds that won’t go to the people they’re supposed to help because they can’t put petty politics aside - very disappointing.

    Pathetic. We should all be in this to make Great Yarmouth a better place to live and raise a family.

    That’s the only thing I’m interested in - it’s why I’m donating my entire MP salary to make it happen, alongside all other efforts.

    We will find another home for the donation"

    https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/1973122545546330249
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,783
    boulay said:

    Cyclefree said:



    boulay said:

    Battlebus said:

    Good morning and may I tap into the PB expertise on badgers? For some reason a local badger has taken to arriving at 4:00 to dig up some newly laid topsoil and grass seeding. Could the panel suggest how I get the beast to visit my neighbours, whom we dislike. instead.

    Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells.

    Maybe buy a bag of dry dog food and throw handfuls into your neighbour’s garden when they are out which might attract the badger there for an easy meal. Perhaps leave a little trail from away from your garden towards theirs from the wilds where the badgers live.

    Either that or just kill one with a spade and leave it on a post as a warning to other badgers.
    Er..... no.

    Badgers are a protected species in the U.K. Do that and you're committing a criminal offence under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981.

    How is the badger getting into your garden?
    It really wasn’t a serious suggestion, I hoped that the idea of them being left on posts as a warning to other badgers signalled the silliness of it.
    People do kill badgers though. My very first job involved advising on wildlife law.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,783
    Leon said:

    Naples Archaeological Museum. Wow

    Wow indeed.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,028

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Starmer got his speech just right yesterday. Farage has been allowed to get away with murder. He's a full on xenophobe/racist and though late in the day Starmer has finally called him out for what he is. If voters are attracted to that then let the vast majority who don't see themselves that way understand the dividing line.

    Starmer was impressive yesterday as was Lammy. Labour have taken a year and a half to get the tone right. Don't row back.

    Lammy said Farage had links with the Hitler Youth. An organisation disbanded two decades before Farage was born
    Maybe he could try a defence of it wasn't the Hitler Youth it was the National Front on a bus?

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2024/jun/14/he-was-a-deeply-unembarrassed-racist-nigel-farage-by-those-who-have-known-him

    "Chloe Deakin, an English teacher at Dulwich college, wrote in 1981: “You will recall that at the recent, and lengthy, meeting about the selection of prefects, the remark by a colleague that Farage was ‘a fascist but that was no reason why he would not make a good prefect’ invoked considerable reaction from members of the common room.

    “Another colleague, who teaches the boy, described his publicly professed racist and neo-fascist views, and he cited a particular incident in which Farage was so offensive to a boy in his set, that he had to be removed from the lesson.”

    One Jewish pupil claimed Farage would sidle up to him and say: “Hitler was right,” or “Gas ’em.” Another claimed Farage had a preoccupation with his initials, NF, as they were the same as those of the National Front."
    Yuck. Show me the boy, I'll show you the man.
    I'm unsure that's true, or fair, in all cases.

    I was recently chatting to a friend from uni. I made the old aside that people turn more right-wing as they grow older. She turned to me and said: "Not you; you've become more left-wing!"

    Which we then discussed. :) : I see it slightly differently: it's just that I am less reactionary. Things that use to really annoy me, or get me het up, tend to just elicit little more than a shrug. Things I used to think were really important seem less so, now. Perhaps I have mellowed.

    She has actually made the reverse journey, and has become somewhat less left-wing as the decades have gone by.
    I think that as one gets older the difficulty of classifying people as simply left or right wing becomes more obvious. It's tempting for newspaper articles but like you most of us have simply become more nuanced. Nonetheless, people over 60 have more often accumulated wealth than the young, and that tends to make them less keen on redistribution.

    Personally I think of myself as just as left-wing as always on economic grounds, but then I run into some new defining characteristic like attitude to gender differentiation (where I don't know what I think, really). Bottom line: beware of stereotyping people with a simple one-liner - it's not helpful beyond a first approximation.
    People I know through work in the financial sector think I'm a communist. Family and friends think I am horrendously rightwing. I'm quite left/liberal on social issues but a bit drier on economics. I don't think governments can fix everything, I don't want excessive regulation or taxation, I do think the welfare system can blunt incentives to work, I think it's important to keep the bond market on side. Equally I think that rich people like me need to pay a decent amount of tax and shouldn't complain about it. I also think it's the government's job to prevent privilege becoming too entrenched. I'm not sure my views have changed much big picture but have probably become more nuanced in the details over time as I've learned more about what a complicated place the world is.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,183
    algarkirk said:

    Barnesian said:

    Morning all.
    Labours More in Common Bounce disintegrates as they siip to joint second with the Tories

    Weekly voting intention - all fieldwork before Starmer speech - Reform lead back up to 10. Tories and Labour tie on 20%.

    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+2)
    🌹 LAB 20% (-5)
    🌳 CON 20% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+1)
    🌍 GREEN 8% (nc)
    🟡 SNP 3% (nc)
    ❓OTH 4% (+1)

    N = 2,012 | 26-29/9 | Change w 22/9

    ID policy impacting Labour?
    Combination of last week being an obvious outlier top end for Lab and noise imo.
    Starmer is at his lowest ever with MiC this week but I believe this is also Labours lowest ever with MiC too so perhaps there's been a negative reaction on top of the noise
    And it is getting worse for Labour.

    The Mail is suggesting today (as Nige did yesterday) that Starmer has furtively placed a murderous target on Nigey's sainted back.
    And it's getting even more worser: Sir Keir is now being held personally responsible for Donald Trump's incendiary remarks about Sadiq Khan and Sharia law:

    https://news.sky.com/story/farage-isnt-racist-says-pm-as-hes-challenged-over-trumps-sharia-law-comment-13441725

    Hmm. Labour have to be a bit careful with the hair splitting here. The nuance will get lost in the fog of war.

    SKS’s stance is, as far as I can see:

    1. Reform’s immigration policy is racist
    2. Nigel Farage, the leader of Reform, is not racist, despite being responsible for its immigration policy, which is racist. He hates Britain though.
    3. People who support Reform and Nigel Farage (who is not racist) are not racist either nor do they hate Britain, despite the immigration policy of Reform, which is racist, and the fact Reform is led by Nigel Farage, who hates Britain.

    Yes, I am sure this can all be communicated in a clear, unambiguous way that avoids all doubt and will be taken at face value by the voters, media and social networks.

    The upshot of all this is an unknown, but it shifts the scenery a bit.

    It depends on whether Labour can successfully land on Reform the claim that they intend to put at serious risk of deportation the foreign nationals with visas/ILR/settled status that are our friends, neighbours, my eye specialist, half the NHS etc.

    If they can, Reform are in trouble.

    It also depends how people translate 'Reform policies are racist'. If that it taken to mean 'Reform intend to deport a lot of people who are one or more of: illegals, criminals, overstayers, culturally extremely different from what we think is the UK norm, wasters, benefit frauds, then several million people will quietly say 'Fine. with me'. And Labour are in trouble.

    It's wonderfully unknowable. Both Labour and Reform are going to be engaged in a long bout of tortured dog whistling in which mistakes will get punished. What counts as a mistake will sometimes only become clear after the event.

    It won't be dull.

    Score from yesterday: Farage to a notable extent came across as someone who can dish it out but not take it.
    Yes, I would hesitantly* call it a game changer. As for how it will change things, it remains to be seen.

    *I say “hesitantly” because Labour’s message discipline needs to be consistent for this to have any joy at filtering through (for better or for worse) and their message discipline has typically been utterly shocking.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,044
    Cyclefree said:

    boulay said:

    Cyclefree said:



    boulay said:

    Battlebus said:

    Good morning and may I tap into the PB expertise on badgers? For some reason a local badger has taken to arriving at 4:00 to dig up some newly laid topsoil and grass seeding. Could the panel suggest how I get the beast to visit my neighbours, whom we dislike. instead.

    Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells.

    Maybe buy a bag of dry dog food and throw handfuls into your neighbour’s garden when they are out which might attract the badger there for an easy meal. Perhaps leave a little trail from away from your garden towards theirs from the wilds where the badgers live.

    Either that or just kill one with a spade and leave it on a post as a warning to other badgers.
    Er..... no.

    Badgers are a protected species in the U.K. Do that and you're committing a criminal offence under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981.

    How is the badger getting into your garden?
    It really wasn’t a serious suggestion, I hoped that the idea of them being left on posts as a warning to other badgers signalled the silliness of it.
    People do kill badgers though. My very first job involved advising on wildlife law.
    Before the cull, lots of badgers were shot - and left as "roadkill".

    The loss of the badgers has been great news for hedgehogs though.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,806

    Cyclefree said:



    boulay said:

    Battlebus said:

    Good morning and may I tap into the PB expertise on badgers? For some reason a local badger has taken to arriving at 4:00 to dig up some newly laid topsoil and grass seeding. Could the panel suggest how I get the beast to visit my neighbours, whom we dislike. instead.

    Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells.

    Maybe buy a bag of dry dog food and throw handfuls into your neighbour’s garden when they are out which might attract the badger there for an easy meal. Perhaps leave a little trail from away from your garden towards theirs from the wilds where the badgers live.

    Either that or just kill one with a spade and leave it on a post as a warning to other badgers.
    Er..... no.

    Badgers are a protected species in the U.K. Do that and you're committing a criminal offence under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981.

    How is the badger getting into your garden?
    Ha. We have exactly the same issue. Some mornings the lawn looks like a WW1 battlefield.

    They are very determined, badgers. I keep thinking I have sealed off the garden (we already have a deer fence due to roe deer taking a liking to our plants) but they seem to find an alternative way in each time. The battle continues, but I wouldn't bet against the Brocks.
    Before all the badgers were culled here in south Devon, the field behind our house would get as much as a third of the turf turned over. Hell of a mess.

    I was told the thing to do is scatter peanuts over the surface. A BIG bag of peanuts. They will take them off the surface, rather than destroy the grass looking for stuff underneath.
    I remember talking to a grumpy farmer/developer near Evesham a couple of years ago who was just over the Gloucestershire border. He was not allowed to continue his development project due to badger sets. He was complaining that if he lived a couple of miles down the road in Worcestershire he could cull them.

    Years ago I was doing work at the Federal Mogul plant in Coleford which had been sold for redevelopment. The developer through his aggressive personal rudeness really pissed off my contact at Federal Mogul who was clearing the plant after the sale. My contact found some bats in the eves of one of the buildings, so he got his revenge by tipping off the Environment Agency and Forest of Dean Council. It caused no end of delay for the developer, who thought f*** the bats and demolished regardless. Then all Hell was let loose...
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,534
    Cyclefree said:

    boulay said:

    Cyclefree said:



    boulay said:

    Battlebus said:

    Good morning and may I tap into the PB expertise on badgers? For some reason a local badger has taken to arriving at 4:00 to dig up some newly laid topsoil and grass seeding. Could the panel suggest how I get the beast to visit my neighbours, whom we dislike. instead.

    Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells.

    Maybe buy a bag of dry dog food and throw handfuls into your neighbour’s garden when they are out which might attract the badger there for an easy meal. Perhaps leave a little trail from away from your garden towards theirs from the wilds where the badgers live.

    Either that or just kill one with a spade and leave it on a post as a warning to other badgers.
    Er..... no.

    Badgers are a protected species in the U.K. Do that and you're committing a criminal offence under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981.

    How is the badger getting into your garden?
    It really wasn’t a serious suggestion, I hoped that the idea of them being left on posts as a warning to other badgers signalled the silliness of it.
    People do kill badgers though. My very first job involved advising on wildlife law.
    I am in reality someone who tries to avoid killing ants yet alone badgers.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,440

    Andy_JS said:

    "Rupert Lowe MP
    @RupertLowe10

    A local Great Yarmouth charity refused my salary donation today, clearly because they don’t like my approach to politics. Left-leaning people involved.

    Thousands of pounds that won’t go to the people they’re supposed to help because they can’t put petty politics aside - very disappointing.

    Pathetic. We should all be in this to make Great Yarmouth a better place to live and raise a family.

    That’s the only thing I’m interested in - it’s why I’m donating my entire MP salary to make it happen, alongside all other efforts.

    We will find another home for the donation"

    https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/1973122545546330249

    To be fair to Lowe he does seem to believe in putting your money where yar mouth is. Which despite his politics, I think is great.
    No he’s using it as a monthly look at how generous I am supporting this charity which is clearly something some people take exception to - I can see why some charities won’t want to be part of his campaigning
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,897
    edited October 1
    Useless fact: thinking about visiting St Andrews tomorrow for the first time since 2020 (when people were being denied entry to the botanical gardens because of covid-19 lockdown measures). Apparently 20% of the students at the university are Americans.

    https://www.thetimes.com/life-style/celebrity/article/university-st-andrews-students-americans-americanisation-rn2m3cxc5
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,897

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Starmer got his speech just right yesterday. Farage has been allowed to get away with murder. He's a full on xenophobe/racist and though late in the day Starmer has finally called him out for what he is. If voters are attracted to that then let the vast majority who don't see themselves that way understand the dividing line.

    Starmer was impressive yesterday as was Lammy. Labour have taken a year and a half to get the tone right. Don't row back.

    Lammy said Farage had links with the Hitler Youth. An organisation disbanded two decades before Farage was born
    Maybe he could try a defence of it wasn't the Hitler Youth it was the National Front on a bus?

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2024/jun/14/he-was-a-deeply-unembarrassed-racist-nigel-farage-by-those-who-have-known-him

    "Chloe Deakin, an English teacher at Dulwich college, wrote in 1981: “You will recall that at the recent, and lengthy, meeting about the selection of prefects, the remark by a colleague that Farage was ‘a fascist but that was no reason why he would not make a good prefect’ invoked considerable reaction from members of the common room.

    “Another colleague, who teaches the boy, described his publicly professed racist and neo-fascist views, and he cited a particular incident in which Farage was so offensive to a boy in his set, that he had to be removed from the lesson.”

    One Jewish pupil claimed Farage would sidle up to him and say: “Hitler was right,” or “Gas ’em.” Another claimed Farage had a preoccupation with his initials, NF, as they were the same as those of the National Front."
    Yuck. Show me the boy, I'll show you the man.
    I'm unsure that's true, or fair, in all cases.

    I was recently chatting to a friend from uni. I made the old aside that people turn more right-wing as they grow older. She turned to me and said: "Not you; you've become more left-wing!"

    Which we then discussed. :) : I see it slightly differently: it's just that I am less reactionary. Things that use to really annoy me, or get me het up, tend to just elicit little more than a shrug. Things I used to think were really important seem less so, now. Perhaps I have mellowed.

    She has actually made the reverse journey, and has become somewhat less left-wing as the decades have gone by.
    I think that as one gets older the difficulty of classifying people as simply left or right wing becomes more obvious. It's tempting for newspaper articles but like you most of us have simply become more nuanced. Nonetheless, people over 60 have more often accumulated wealth than the young, and that tends to make them less keen on redistribution.

    Personally I think of myself as just as left-wing as always on economic grounds, but then I run into some new defining characteristic like attitude to gender differentiation (where I don't know what I think, really). Bottom line: beware of stereotyping people with a simple one-liner - it's not helpful beyond a first approximation.
    I get the impression a lot of people are economically left-wing and rather populist on social issues. When they walk into the polling station I suppose they have to decide whether economic or social issues are more important for them at that time.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,806
    Russell Scott who has written VIP Cronyism about the PPE scandal doesn't believe very many more than Michelle and Dougie will be called to account, certainly not the politicians involved.

    Luvvly Jubbly.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,195
    edited October 1
    Andy_JS said:

    Useless fact: thinking about visiting St Andrews tomorrow for the first time since 2020 (when people were being denied entry to the botanical gardens because of covid-19 lockdown measures). Apparently 20% of the students at the university are Americans.

    https://www.thetimes.com/life-style/celebrity/article/university-st-andrews-students-americans-americanisation-rn2m3cxc5

    I believe the number of applications from Americans for places at UK universities is up.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,144
    Battlebus said:

    Good morning and may I tap into the PB expertise on badgers? For some reason a local badger has taken to arriving at 4:00 to dig up some newly laid topsoil and grass seeding. Could the panel suggest how I get the beast to visit my neighbours, whom we dislike. instead.

    Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells.

    They dislike the smell of male urine, citronella and chilli peppers
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,817
    algarkirk said:

    Barnesian said:

    Morning all.
    Labours More in Common Bounce disintegrates as they siip to joint second with the Tories

    Weekly voting intention - all fieldwork before Starmer speech - Reform lead back up to 10. Tories and Labour tie on 20%.

    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+2)
    🌹 LAB 20% (-5)
    🌳 CON 20% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+1)
    🌍 GREEN 8% (nc)
    🟡 SNP 3% (nc)
    ❓OTH 4% (+1)

    N = 2,012 | 26-29/9 | Change w 22/9

    ID policy impacting Labour?
    Combination of last week being an obvious outlier top end for Lab and noise imo.
    Starmer is at his lowest ever with MiC this week but I believe this is also Labours lowest ever with MiC too so perhaps there's been a negative reaction on top of the noise
    And it is getting worse for Labour.

    The Mail is suggesting today (as Nige did yesterday) that Starmer has furtively placed a murderous target on Nigey's sainted back.
    And it's getting even more worser: Sir Keir is now being held personally responsible for Donald Trump's incendiary remarks about Sadiq Khan and Sharia law:

    https://news.sky.com/story/farage-isnt-racist-says-pm-as-hes-challenged-over-trumps-sharia-law-comment-13441725

    Hmm. Labour have to be a bit careful with the hair splitting here. The nuance will get lost in the fog of war.

    SKS’s stance is, as far as I can see:

    1. Reform’s immigration policy is racist
    2. Nigel Farage, the leader of Reform, is not racist, despite being responsible for its immigration policy, which is racist. He hates Britain though.
    3. People who support Reform and Nigel Farage (who is not racist) are not racist either nor do they hate Britain, despite the immigration policy of Reform, which is racist, and the fact Reform is led by Nigel Farage, who hates Britain.

    Yes, I am sure this can all be communicated in a clear, unambiguous way that avoids all doubt and will be taken at face value by the voters, media and social networks.

    The upshot of all this is an unknown, but it shifts the scenery a bit.

    It depends on whether Labour can successfully land on Reform the claim that they intend to put at serious risk of deportation the foreign nationals with visas/ILR/settled status that are our friends, neighbours, my eye specialist, half the NHS etc.

    If they can, Reform are in trouble.

    It also depends how people translate 'Reform policies are racist'. If that it taken to mean 'Reform intend to deport a lot of people who are one or more of: illegals, criminals, overstayers, culturally extremely different from what we think is the UK norm, wasters, benefit frauds, then several million people will quietly say 'Fine. with me'. And Labour are in trouble.

    It's wonderfully unknowable. Both Labour and Reform are going to be engaged in a long bout of tortured dog whistling in which mistakes will get punished. What counts as a mistake will sometimes only become clear after the event.

    It won't be dull.

    Score from yesterday: Farage to a notable extent came across as someone who can dish it out but not take it.
    I for one am amazed that you’ve concluded “this thing I’ve noticed is not good for Reform”. Your neutral insight is invaluable
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,174

    ...

    Roger said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Starmer got his speech just right yesterday. Farage has been allowed to get away with murder. He's a full on xenophobe/racist and though late in the day Starmer has finally called him out for what he is. If voters are attracted to that then let the vast majority who don't see themselves that way understand the dividing line.

    Starmer was impressive yesterday as was Lammy. Labour have taken a year and a half to get the tone right. Don't row back.

    Lammy said Farage had links with the Hitler Youth. An organisation disbanded two decades before Farage was born
    I heard him say something about flirting with Nazism in his youth. Very smart of lammy to put it out there.

    Those who want to believe it will . Those like big boobs Betty from Barnsley on the BBC Vox Pop will also probably believe it but won't be bothered.
    It was the one real misstep widely criticised, including by labour supporters who are annoyed it dominated the news media

    Lammy back tracked on his comment subsequently
    Lammy is referencing widely reported stories from teachers at Dulwich College that Farage demonstrated "fascist" (their word) tendencies including allegedly singing Hitler Youth songs whilst on a field trip to Sussex.
    From Crick -

    Today's accusation by David Lammy about Farage & the Hitler Youth probably stems from a story I did years ago about a teacher at Dulwich College writing to the headmaster to say Farage was unsuitable to be a prefect since a colleague said he had "neo-fascist" views.

    And the teacher who complained to the head also quoted a colleague who said that on a CCF camp "Farage and others had marched through a quiet Sussex village very late at night, shouting Hitler Youth songs".

    Farage denied this when I broadcast the letter on C4 News. In researching that film & my subsequent biography, talking to c.60-80 people at his school, I found no corrororation for the Hitler Youth songs story, though plenty of evidence for much worse behaviour at school

    https://x.com/MichaelLCrick/status/1973114505694449898
    We are verging into otter's pocket territory here, or Crick is.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,024
    Barnesian said:

    Morning all.
    Labours More in Common Bounce disintegrates as they siip to joint second with the Tories

    Weekly voting intention - all fieldwork before Starmer speech - Reform lead back up to 10. Tories and Labour tie on 20%.

    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+2)
    🌹 LAB 20% (-5)
    🌳 CON 20% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+1)
    🌍 GREEN 8% (nc)
    🟡 SNP 3% (nc)
    ❓OTH 4% (+1)

    N = 2,012 | 26-29/9 | Change w 22/9

    ID policy impacting Labour?
    It's usually a mistake ascribing a change in a single poll to a single event. Let five or ten pile up before generating hypotheses
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,817
    Further Neapolitan notes

    Italians down here no longer dress well. In the past the city was dangerous but the men very stylish. Now the city is much safer but the men are slobs. Same crap clothes as everywhere - hoodies and jeans (cheap), naff branded sportswear, plastic shoes

    What’s happened to the bella figura?

    The best dressed people in Naples are girls from east Asia - Chinese, Japanese, Korean
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,174
    Another thing – am I the only PBer who would not recognise a Hitler Youth song? Wouldn't they be in German?

    Please don't send me links to such songs. Remember it is *your* search history that will be linked to your Digital ID card.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,028
    Andy_JS said:

    "Rupert Lowe MP
    @RupertLowe10

    A local Great Yarmouth charity refused my salary donation today, clearly because they don’t like my approach to politics. Left-leaning people involved.

    Thousands of pounds that won’t go to the people they’re supposed to help because they can’t put petty politics aside - very disappointing.

    Pathetic. We should all be in this to make Great Yarmouth a better place to live and raise a family.

    That’s the only thing I’m interested in - it’s why I’m donating my entire MP salary to make it happen, alongside all other efforts.

    We will find another home for the donation"

    https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/1973122545546330249

    Not every organisation will want to be part of Reform's reputational management strategy.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,195
    edited October 1

    Another thing – am I the only PBer who would not recognise a Hitler Youth song? Wouldn't they be in German?

    Please don't send me links to such songs. Remember it is *your* search history that will be linked to your Digital ID card.

    Henning Wehn used to do that as a trick...he would come on to this rousing music and encourage the audience to clap along and really get into the music as if you were listening to some sort of classic German folk song....and then cut the music and say can't beat the classics....from the Hitler Youth.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,425
    eek said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Rupert Lowe MP
    @RupertLowe10

    A local Great Yarmouth charity refused my salary donation today, clearly because they don’t like my approach to politics. Left-leaning people involved.

    Thousands of pounds that won’t go to the people they’re supposed to help because they can’t put petty politics aside - very disappointing.

    Pathetic. We should all be in this to make Great Yarmouth a better place to live and raise a family.

    That’s the only thing I’m interested in - it’s why I’m donating my entire MP salary to make it happen, alongside all other efforts.

    We will find another home for the donation"

    https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/1973122545546330249

    To be fair to Lowe he does seem to believe in putting your money where yar mouth is. Which despite his politics, I think is great.
    No he’s using it as a monthly look at how generous I am supporting this charity which is clearly something some people take exception to - I can see why some charities won’t want to be part of his campaigning
    Yes, how many people would object to a charity knocking back a donation from Tommy Robinson* (who is just Lowe in Stone Island)?

    *this is entirely an exercise in the imagination as the grifting little holiday-taker is as likely to make a charitable donation as read Keats.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,174

    Russell Scott who has written VIP Cronyism about the PPE scandal doesn't believe very many more than Michelle and Dougie will be called to account, certainly not the politicians involved.

    Luvvly Jubbly.

    We should not forget Lord Wossname who resigned from the government because nothing was being done about fraud.

    Treasury minister Lord Agnew resigns over government's 'lamentable' record on tackling COVID business loan fraud
    https://news.sky.com/story/treasury-minister-lord-agnew-resigns-over-governments-lamentable-record-on-tackling-covid-business-loan-fraud-12524460
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,069
    Ratters said:

    Nigelb said:

    This morning’s grandstanding at Quantico only solidified what we already know: @PeteHegseth continues to disparage and lie about women in the military.

    He claimed the military needs to “return to the male standard” in combat jobs (of 1990!), but here’s the truth: there has never been a separate male and female standard. When women entered combat roles, one standard was set, and we’ve been meeting it ever since. You can either do the job or you can’t. Period...

    https://x.com/AmyMcGrathKY/status/1973080569576624326

    What people like Hegseth don't understand is male and female physical capabilities are both distribution curves of some description - with the male curve further to the right of the female one.

    That means if you set qualifying criteria at anyone fixed point, you get more men than women meeting it. But some women will always qualify unless you set the bar extremely high such that you struggle to find enough men.

    Let's say "run 5km in 20 minutes" - most men can't do it but you'll find far more men than women in an amateur race (see any park run result). But the finalists in the women's 5k world athletics all ran it in around 15 minutes.

    So having women in the armed forces is entirely consistent with the idea of "on merit only". You would just suspect fewer than 50% women, which funnily enough is the case already.
    And converge in some cases, like in ultra-marathons where women sometimes outpace men. What you really need however is 16-year old COD players with insane reflexes for drone-on-drone warfare.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,897
    edited October 1
    Leon said:

    Further Neapolitan notes

    Italians down here no longer dress well. In the past the city was dangerous but the men very stylish. Now the city is much safer but the men are slobs. Same crap clothes as everywhere - hoodies and jeans (cheap), naff branded sportswear, plastic shoes

    What’s happened to the bella figura?

    The best dressed people in Naples are girls from east Asia - Chinese, Japanese, Korean

    Is there anywhere in the western world where men under 60 don't dress like slobs?

    Have you been in the funicular? I went up to the highest point and then walked down the steps with the view of the bay. One of the best things I did there.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,044
    Ukraine sent 230 drones into Russia - including 6 HIMARS - expecting them all to be taken down. Russia was cheering its success - unawre they were decoys to allow a further 6 HIMARS missiles through to take out the Belgorod thermal power station. A brilliant operation by the Ukrainians that blinded the Russians - and causing the railways to be shut down and crash their supply lines.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTt3YGBkcMY
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,174
    Leon said:

    Naples Archaeological Museum. Wow

    Pro-tip: you can save a lot of time in museums by heading straight for the gift shop, where all their best exhibits will be collated and available for purchase in postcard or replica form.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,534
    Ratters said:

    Nigelb said:

    This morning’s grandstanding at Quantico only solidified what we already know: @PeteHegseth continues to disparage and lie about women in the military.

    He claimed the military needs to “return to the male standard” in combat jobs (of 1990!), but here’s the truth: there has never been a separate male and female standard. When women entered combat roles, one standard was set, and we’ve been meeting it ever since. You can either do the job or you can’t. Period...

    https://x.com/AmyMcGrathKY/status/1973080569576624326

    What people like Hegseth don't understand is male and female physical capabilities are both distribution curves of some description - with the male curve further to the right of the female one.

    That means if you set qualifying criteria at anyone fixed point, you get more men than women meeting it. But some women will always qualify unless you set the bar extremely high such that you struggle to find enough men.

    Let's say "run 5km in 20 minutes" - most men can't do it but you'll find far more men than women in an amateur race (see any park run result). But the finalists in the women's 5k world athletics all ran it in around 15 minutes.

    So having women in the armed forces is entirely consistent with the idea of "on merit only". You would just suspect fewer than 50% women, which funnily enough is the case already.
    It’s also rarely the running that limits larger numbers of women in infantry roles, it’s the running with the same amount of kit that the men have to run with. The kit as a percentage of the carrier’s body weight is less likely to be disproportionate on men and there cannot be a situation where women soldiers are carrying less kit, it’s all necessary, or having only the men in a platoon carrying certain items as it reduces the capability.

  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,474
    edited October 1
    Andy_JS said:
    The messaging was poor to begin with and when the PM is so unpopular you have a toxic combination.

    The policy will either get shelved or narrowed to be just a right to work ID and only mandatory for those wanting to work.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,024
    If a Anybody-But-Reform (ABR) vote emerges, then tactical voting will not necessarily/just be good for Labour, it will also good for other parties. Would this lead to a more-likely hung parliament?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,759

    algarkirk said:

    Roger said:

    ...

    Roger said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Starmer got his speech just right yesterday. Farage has been allowed to get away with murder. He's a full on xenophobe/racist and though late in the day Starmer has finally called him out for what he is. If voters are attracted to that then let the vast majority who don't see themselves that way understand the dividing line.

    Starmer was impressive yesterday as was Lammy. Labour have taken a year and a half to get the tone right. Don't row back.

    Lammy said Farage had links with the Hitler Youth. An organisation disbanded two decades before Farage was born
    I heard him say something about flirting with Nazism in his youth. Very smart of lammy to put it out there.

    Those who want to believe it will . Those like big boobs Betty from Barnsley on the BBC Vox Pop will also probably believe it but won't be bothered.
    It was the one real misstep widely criticised, including by labour supporters who are annoyed it dominated the news media

    Lammy back tracked on his comment subsequently
    Lammy is referencing widely reported stories from teachers at Dulwich College that Farage demonstrated "fascist" (their word) tendencies including allegedly singing Hitler Youth songs whilst on a field trip to Sussex.
    From Crick -

    Today's accusation by David Lammy about Farage & the Hitler Youth probably stems from a story I did years ago about a teacher at Dulwich College writing to the headmaster to say Farage was unsuitable to be a prefect since a colleague said he had "neo-fascist" views.

    And the teacher who complained to the head also quoted a colleague who said that on a CCF camp "Farage and others had marched through a quiet Sussex village very late at night, shouting Hitler Youth songs".

    Farage denied this when I broadcast the letter on C4 News. In researching that film & my subsequent biography, talking to c.60-80 people at his school, I found no corrororation for the Hitler Youth songs story, though plenty of evidence for much worse behaviour at school

    https://x.com/MichaelLCrick/status/1973114505694449898
    I apologise for my unintended fake news. But on the other hand your defence of Farage using Crick's confirmation is piss poor.
    It's clearly time to do a deep dive into Dulwich College's Farage portfolio. Crick used to be good at that sort of thing. The ghastly man has had a free ride but I suspect that now Starmer and Labour have rediscovered their backbone and they've given up on their anti semitism nonsense they can now take the gloves off.
    I doubt if many opinionated adults would survive the scrutiny well if everything they thought and said and did at school were unearthed, exaggerated and published.

    There was a time when it was routine for immature opinionated people in school to have ludicrous views in support of Stalin, Lenin, Che Guevara, Castro, Mao Tse Tung, the IRA and so on.

    The adult Farage is absolutely fair game, but not perhaps the absurd school boy.

    At one bank, we amused ourselves at an interview by asking mocking questions about the social media posts of the candidate.

    Who, a few months earlier, had been advocating violence against the “Banksters”,
    How well did they deal with it ?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,806
    Leon said:

    Further Neapolitan notes

    Italians down here no longer dress well. In the past the city was dangerous but the men very stylish. Now the city is much safer but the men are slobs. Same crap clothes as everywhere - hoodies and jeans (cheap), naff branded sportswear, plastic shoes

    What’s happened to the bella figura?

    The best dressed people in Naples are girls from east Asia - Chinese, Japanese, Korean

    Naples was never the Milan of the South. Is this your first visit to Naples? I stay in the Belair in Sorrento and Parkers in Naples. Dressing up for dinner is a requirement for both.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 57,345
    Nigelb said:

    algarkirk said:

    Roger said:

    ...

    Roger said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Starmer got his speech just right yesterday. Farage has been allowed to get away with murder. He's a full on xenophobe/racist and though late in the day Starmer has finally called him out for what he is. If voters are attracted to that then let the vast majority who don't see themselves that way understand the dividing line.

    Starmer was impressive yesterday as was Lammy. Labour have taken a year and a half to get the tone right. Don't row back.

    Lammy said Farage had links with the Hitler Youth. An organisation disbanded two decades before Farage was born
    I heard him say something about flirting with Nazism in his youth. Very smart of lammy to put it out there.

    Those who want to believe it will . Those like big boobs Betty from Barnsley on the BBC Vox Pop will also probably believe it but won't be bothered.
    It was the one real misstep widely criticised, including by labour supporters who are annoyed it dominated the news media

    Lammy back tracked on his comment subsequently
    Lammy is referencing widely reported stories from teachers at Dulwich College that Farage demonstrated "fascist" (their word) tendencies including allegedly singing Hitler Youth songs whilst on a field trip to Sussex.
    From Crick -

    Today's accusation by David Lammy about Farage & the Hitler Youth probably stems from a story I did years ago about a teacher at Dulwich College writing to the headmaster to say Farage was unsuitable to be a prefect since a colleague said he had "neo-fascist" views.

    And the teacher who complained to the head also quoted a colleague who said that on a CCF camp "Farage and others had marched through a quiet Sussex village very late at night, shouting Hitler Youth songs".

    Farage denied this when I broadcast the letter on C4 News. In researching that film & my subsequent biography, talking to c.60-80 people at his school, I found no corrororation for the Hitler Youth songs story, though plenty of evidence for much worse behaviour at school

    https://x.com/MichaelLCrick/status/1973114505694449898
    I apologise for my unintended fake news. But on the other hand your defence of Farage using Crick's confirmation is piss poor.
    It's clearly time to do a deep dive into Dulwich College's Farage portfolio. Crick used to be good at that sort of thing. The ghastly man has had a free ride but I suspect that now Starmer and Labour have rediscovered their backbone and they've given up on their anti semitism nonsense they can now take the gloves off.
    I doubt if many opinionated adults would survive the scrutiny well if everything they thought and said and did at school were unearthed, exaggerated and published.

    There was a time when it was routine for immature opinionated people in school to have ludicrous views in support of Stalin, Lenin, Che Guevara, Castro, Mao Tse Tung, the IRA and so on.

    The adult Farage is absolutely fair game, but not perhaps the absurd school boy.

    At one bank, we amused ourselves at an interview by asking mocking questions about the social media posts of the candidate.

    Who, a few months earlier, had been advocating violence against the “Banksters”,
    How well did they deal with it ?
    Not well. Lots of silences and “ummmmmms”
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,759
    boulay said:

    Ratters said:

    Nigelb said:

    This morning’s grandstanding at Quantico only solidified what we already know: @PeteHegseth continues to disparage and lie about women in the military.

    He claimed the military needs to “return to the male standard” in combat jobs (of 1990!), but here’s the truth: there has never been a separate male and female standard. When women entered combat roles, one standard was set, and we’ve been meeting it ever since. You can either do the job or you can’t. Period...

    https://x.com/AmyMcGrathKY/status/1973080569576624326

    What people like Hegseth don't understand is male and female physical capabilities are both distribution curves of some description - with the male curve further to the right of the female one.

    That means if you set qualifying criteria at anyone fixed point, you get more men than women meeting it. But some women will always qualify unless you set the bar extremely high such that you struggle to find enough men.

    Let's say "run 5km in 20 minutes" - most men can't do it but you'll find far more men than women in an amateur race (see any park run result). But the finalists in the women's 5k world athletics all ran it in around 15 minutes.

    So having women in the armed forces is entirely consistent with the idea of "on merit only". You would just suspect fewer than 50% women, which funnily enough is the case already.
    It’s also rarely the running that limits larger numbers of women in infantry roles, it’s the running with the same amount of kit that the men have to run with. The kit as a percentage of the carrier’s body weight is less likely to be disproportionate on men and there cannot be a situation where women soldiers are carrying less kit, it’s all necessary, or having only the men in a platoon carrying certain items as it reduces the capability.

    Rather ignores the fact that a very large number of roles in modern warfare don't involve much running or pack carrying.

    And completely ignores the very large number of issues of more importance to building efficient and capable armed forces.

    But I suppose it's of a piece with their 'return to the coal age' crap.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,069
    viewcode said:

    If a Anybody-But-Reform (ABR) vote emerges, then tactical voting will not necessarily/just be good for Labour, it will also good for other parties. Would this lead to a more-likely hung parliament?

    In the vast majority of constituencies it will be Labour unless the Lib Dems or Greens start polling over 20. Their voters are tightly concentrated in a way that Labour's aren't.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,817

    Leon said:

    Further Neapolitan notes

    Italians down here no longer dress well. In the past the city was dangerous but the men very stylish. Now the city is much safer but the men are slobs. Same crap clothes as everywhere - hoodies and jeans (cheap), naff branded sportswear, plastic shoes

    What’s happened to the bella figura?

    The best dressed people in Naples are girls from east Asia - Chinese, Japanese, Korean

    Naples was never the Milan of the South. Is this your first visit to Naples? I stay in the Belair in Sorrento and Parkers in Naples. Dressing up for dinner is a requirement for both.
    I’vs been half a dozen times. Naples was never Milan but nonetheless it was Italy. Fifteen years ago I’d say 1 in 5 men made a real effort. Jacket and shirt, pressed strides, pricey shoes - or absurdly fashionable extravagance

    Now it’s more like 1 in 50. They’ve all got fatter as well (like everyone else)

    Noticed the same in Sardinia last week but there I wasn’t so sure as I don’t know Sardinia well. I do know Naples well. Now confirmed
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,675
    The dangers of policy polling....
    They already have a govt right to work eligibility check service, they should just have quietly rolled that out as a "digital NI number" to everyone then gradually joined it up to the other services.
    The moment they called it an ID card they'd lost
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,806
    Phew, I think we got away with it. Other than in the headlines WATO avoids the PPE scandal. I have long contended that WATO is too Westminster centric and today they have focused on Russian drone attacks on Denmark, so I can't really complain.

    Oh wait, I apologise "Conservative Peer Michelle Mone contacted Michael Gove and Lord Agnew... PPE Medpro filed for administration yesterday"
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,675

    Russell Scott who has written VIP Cronyism about the PPE scandal doesn't believe very many more than Michelle and Dougie will be called to account, certainly not the politicians involved.

    Luvvly Jubbly.

    Michelle and Dougie have definitely been lined up to be sacrificed, and who would object, but the ITV doc 2 weeks ago named a lot more people.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,653
    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    Ratters said:

    Nigelb said:

    This morning’s grandstanding at Quantico only solidified what we already know: @PeteHegseth continues to disparage and lie about women in the military.

    He claimed the military needs to “return to the male standard” in combat jobs (of 1990!), but here’s the truth: there has never been a separate male and female standard. When women entered combat roles, one standard was set, and we’ve been meeting it ever since. You can either do the job or you can’t. Period...

    https://x.com/AmyMcGrathKY/status/1973080569576624326

    What people like Hegseth don't understand is male and female physical capabilities are both distribution curves of some description - with the male curve further to the right of the female one.

    That means if you set qualifying criteria at anyone fixed point, you get more men than women meeting it. But some women will always qualify unless you set the bar extremely high such that you struggle to find enough men.

    Let's say "run 5km in 20 minutes" - most men can't do it but you'll find far more men than women in an amateur race (see any park run result). But the finalists in the women's 5k world athletics all ran it in around 15 minutes.

    So having women in the armed forces is entirely consistent with the idea of "on merit only". You would just suspect fewer than 50% women, which funnily enough is the case already.
    It’s also rarely the running that limits larger numbers of women in infantry roles, it’s the running with the same amount of kit that the men have to run with. The kit as a percentage of the carrier’s body weight is less likely to be disproportionate on men and there cannot be a situation where women soldiers are carrying less kit, it’s all necessary, or having only the men in a platoon carrying certain items as it reduces the capability.

    Rather ignores the fact that a very large number of roles in modern warfare don't involve much running or pack carrying.

    And completely ignores the very large number of issues of more importance to building efficient and capable armed forces.

    But I suppose it's of a piece with their 'return to the coal age' crap.
    A girl in my year at school joined the army at 18. She became a bomb disposal officer, and AIUI was the first female bomb disposal officer to reach a certain rank.

    I dare anyone to say she did not serve the country as well as any man could have.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,817
    nico67 said:

    Andy_JS said:
    The messaging was poor to begin with and when the PM is so unpopular you have a toxic combination.

    The policy will either get shelved or narrowed to be just a right to work ID and only mandatory for those wanting to work.
    That poll is a death warrant for Starmer’s career. If a popular policy craters on presentation, simply because the abhorred PM announces it, then a government is effectively paralysed. It cannot announce anything

    I’ve been saying it for months and now we have proof. People don’t just disregard Starmer they loathe him. He provokes allergic reactions and general nausea. That’s why he has the worst polling in history. No one trusts him and everyone presumes everything he does is designed to hurt British people and help random Arabs on boats

    Rational or not, there is it. At this point Labour has no choice but to junk him

  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,534
    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    Ratters said:

    Nigelb said:

    This morning’s grandstanding at Quantico only solidified what we already know: @PeteHegseth continues to disparage and lie about women in the military.

    He claimed the military needs to “return to the male standard” in combat jobs (of 1990!), but here’s the truth: there has never been a separate male and female standard. When women entered combat roles, one standard was set, and we’ve been meeting it ever since. You can either do the job or you can’t. Period...

    https://x.com/AmyMcGrathKY/status/1973080569576624326

    What people like Hegseth don't understand is male and female physical capabilities are both distribution curves of some description - with the male curve further to the right of the female one.

    That means if you set qualifying criteria at anyone fixed point, you get more men than women meeting it. But some women will always qualify unless you set the bar extremely high such that you struggle to find enough men.

    Let's say "run 5km in 20 minutes" - most men can't do it but you'll find far more men than women in an amateur race (see any park run result). But the finalists in the women's 5k world athletics all ran it in around 15 minutes.

    So having women in the armed forces is entirely consistent with the idea of "on merit only". You would just suspect fewer than 50% women, which funnily enough is the case already.
    It’s also rarely the running that limits larger numbers of women in infantry roles, it’s the running with the same amount of kit that the men have to run with. The kit as a percentage of the carrier’s body weight is less likely to be disproportionate on men and there cannot be a situation where women soldiers are carrying less kit, it’s all necessary, or having only the men in a platoon carrying certain items as it reduces the capability.

    Rather ignores the fact that a very large number of roles in modern warfare don't involve much running or pack carrying.

    And completely ignores the very large number of issues of more importance to building efficient and capable armed forces.

    But I suppose it's of a piece with their 'return to the coal age' crap.
    That’s why I referred specifically to Infantry roles - still vital in war as we see in Ukraine. Am not agreeing with Hegseth’s mindset but was replying to the post regarding running limiting female numbers in the military.

  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,359
    Have I missed the serenades for Sadiq and ULEZ?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c75q9d2pqyeo



  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,806

    ...

    Roger said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Starmer got his speech just right yesterday. Farage has been allowed to get away with murder. He's a full on xenophobe/racist and though late in the day Starmer has finally called him out for what he is. If voters are attracted to that then let the vast majority who don't see themselves that way understand the dividing line.

    Starmer was impressive yesterday as was Lammy. Labour have taken a year and a half to get the tone right. Don't row back.

    Lammy said Farage had links with the Hitler Youth. An organisation disbanded two decades before Farage was born
    I heard him say something about flirting with Nazism in his youth. Very smart of lammy to put it out there.

    Those who want to believe it will . Those like big boobs Betty from Barnsley on the BBC Vox Pop will also probably believe it but won't be bothered.
    It was the one real misstep widely criticised, including by labour supporters who are annoyed it dominated the news media

    Lammy back tracked on his comment subsequently
    Lammy is referencing widely reported stories from teachers at Dulwich College that Farage demonstrated "fascist" (their word) tendencies including allegedly singing Hitler Youth songs whilst on a field trip to Sussex.
    From Crick -

    Today's accusation by David Lammy about Farage & the Hitler Youth probably stems from a story I did years ago about a teacher at Dulwich College writing to the headmaster to say Farage was unsuitable to be a prefect since a colleague said he had "neo-fascist" views.

    And the teacher who complained to the head also quoted a colleague who said that on a CCF camp "Farage and others had marched through a quiet Sussex village very late at night, shouting Hitler Youth songs".

    Farage denied this when I broadcast the letter on C4 News. In researching that film & my subsequent biography, talking to c.60-80 people at his school, I found no corrororation for the Hitler Youth songs story, though plenty of evidence for much worse behaviour at school

    https://x.com/MichaelLCrick/status/1973114505694449898
    I apologise for my unintended fake news. But on the other hand your defence of Farage using Crick's confirmation is piss poor.
    I'm not defending him. That's another in your preposterous production line of strawmen
    Why post the Crick piece if you didn't intend it as a defence of Farage and a criticism of Lammy?
    To nudge you away from the possibly fake bit of your news

    No need for thanks, or an apology
    Are you mad? I only post fake news.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,269
    Someone made a point on the Radio earlier SKS didn’t mention these in his speech at all. Could they be dead ?

    In spite of some people here claiming the Lib Dem’s were fanatically pro these cards they have come out against them.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,665
    edited October 1

    Phew, I think we got away with it. Other than in the headlines WATO avoids the PPE scandal. I have long contended that WATO is too Westminster centric and today they have focused on Russian drone attacks on Denmark, so I can't really complain.

    Oh wait, I apologise "Conservative Peer Michelle Mone contacted Michael Gove and Lord Agnew... PPE Medpro filed for administration yesterday"

    Don't the courts release the draft decision the day before so that the parties and their briefs can check and resolve any legal error/misunderstanding? So PPE Medpro would likely have known the result and bolted for the door ASAP. What that does to Mone's and Barrowman's reputation is moot as they might not agree with the decision, even if they want to appeal it. Costs will be interesting as can't see the briefs swallowing the costs.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,806

    Have I missed the serenades for Sadiq and ULEZ?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c75q9d2pqyeo



    Sir Boris is the mother and father of ULEZ. Hats off to Sir Boris!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,044
    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Andy_JS said:
    The messaging was poor to begin with and when the PM is so unpopular you have a toxic combination.

    The policy will either get shelved or narrowed to be just a right to work ID and only mandatory for those wanting to work.
    That poll is a death warrant for Starmer’s career. If a popular policy craters on presentation, simply because the abhorred PM announces it, then a government is effectively paralysed. It cannot announce anything

    I’ve been saying it for months and now we have proof. People don’t just disregard Starmer they loathe him. He provokes allergic reactions and general nausea. That’s why he has the worst polling in history. No one trusts him and everyone presumes everything he does is designed to hurt British people and help random Arabs on boats

    Rational or not, there is it. At this point Labour has no choice but to junk him

    Do Labour have anybody that is better regarded - to the point where they could have got support for ID cards?

    Nope.

    Not only was Labour's electoral support a mile wide but an inch deep, their talent pool was an inch wide and an inch deep.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,539

    ...

    Roger said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Starmer got his speech just right yesterday. Farage has been allowed to get away with murder. He's a full on xenophobe/racist and though late in the day Starmer has finally called him out for what he is. If voters are attracted to that then let the vast majority who don't see themselves that way understand the dividing line.

    Starmer was impressive yesterday as was Lammy. Labour have taken a year and a half to get the tone right. Don't row back.

    Lammy said Farage had links with the Hitler Youth. An organisation disbanded two decades before Farage was born
    I heard him say something about flirting with Nazism in his youth. Very smart of lammy to put it out there.

    Those who want to believe it will . Those like big boobs Betty from Barnsley on the BBC Vox Pop will also probably believe it but won't be bothered.
    It was the one real misstep widely criticised, including by labour supporters who are annoyed it dominated the news media

    Lammy back tracked on his comment subsequently
    Lammy is referencing widely reported stories from teachers at Dulwich College that Farage demonstrated "fascist" (their word) tendencies including allegedly singing Hitler Youth songs whilst on a field trip to Sussex.
    From Crick -

    Today's accusation by David Lammy about Farage & the Hitler Youth probably stems from a story I did years ago about a teacher at Dulwich College writing to the headmaster to say Farage was unsuitable to be a prefect since a colleague said he had "neo-fascist" views.

    And the teacher who complained to the head also quoted a colleague who said that on a CCF camp "Farage and others had marched through a quiet Sussex village very late at night, shouting Hitler Youth songs".

    Farage denied this when I broadcast the letter on C4 News. In researching that film & my subsequent biography, talking to c.60-80 people at his school, I found no corrororation for the Hitler Youth songs story, though plenty of evidence for much worse behaviour at school

    https://x.com/MichaelLCrick/status/1973114505694449898
    We are verging into otter's pocket territory here, or Crick is.
    I'm interested to know if the songs were sung in German or as English translations. Seems relevant. If the former then he was surely merely practising his German skills...
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,675
    Dopermean said:

    Russell Scott who has written VIP Cronyism about the PPE scandal doesn't believe very many more than Michelle and Dougie will be called to account, certainly not the politicians involved.

    Luvvly Jubbly.

    Michelle and Dougie have definitely been lined up to be sacrificed, and who would object, but the ITV doc 2 weeks ago named a lot more people.
    Apols, I see that the ITV doc is based on Russell Scott's book.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,539

    Ukraine sent 230 drones into Russia - including 6 HIMARS - expecting them all to be taken down. Russia was cheering its success - unawre they were decoys to allow a further 6 HIMARS missiles through to take out the Belgorod thermal power station. A brilliant operation by the Ukrainians that blinded the Russians - and causing the railways to be shut down and crash their supply lines.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTt3YGBkcMY

    Did no-one at war school study previous wars (e.g. Bomber Command vs Germany)?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,236

    Have I missed the serenades for Sadiq and ULEZ?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c75q9d2pqyeo



    Sir Boris is the mother and father of ULEZ. Hats off to Sir Boris!
    As Hegseth would no doubt confirm, needing clean air is woke snowflakery. Anyway, nitrogen is a fertiliser so it must be good.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 2,055
    Carnyx said:

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/25508374.firm-linked-michelle-mone-repay-uk-government-122m/?ref=ebbn&nid=1457&u=f140ec39d500193051a33e140c12bd95&date=011025

    News on PPE Medpro front: almost, but not quite, all bawbees have to be repaid.

    'A COMPANY linked to Michelle Mone has been told it must repay the UK Government nearly £122 million back after it breached a contract to supply surgical gowns during the pandemic.

    The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) sued PPE Medpro, saying the company had provided 25m “faulty” gowns that were not sterile.

    Lawyers for the Government told a trial earlier this year that it was entitled to recover the £121m cost of the contract, as well as the costs of transporting and storing the items, which amount to an additional £8,648,691.'

    PPE MedPro's last accounts, to July 2025 (quite quick with the filing there - oh, now I see why) reports only net assets of some £666k (six hundred and sixty six thousand pounds).

    They have included a contigent liability note, but it is clear the company has no ability to repay this. Therefore, corporate lawyers?... unless the directors or shareholders can be held personally liable (highly unlikely, that's the whole point of limited liability) there is no chance of getting more than a token payment from this company.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,817

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Andy_JS said:
    The messaging was poor to begin with and when the PM is so unpopular you have a toxic combination.

    The policy will either get shelved or narrowed to be just a right to work ID and only mandatory for those wanting to work.
    That poll is a death warrant for Starmer’s career. If a popular policy craters on presentation, simply because the abhorred PM announces it, then a government is effectively paralysed. It cannot announce anything

    I’ve been saying it for months and now we have proof. People don’t just disregard Starmer they loathe him. He provokes allergic reactions and general nausea. That’s why he has the worst polling in history. No one trusts him and everyone presumes everything he does is designed to hurt British people and help random Arabs on boats

    Rational or not, there is it. At this point Labour has no choice but to junk him

    Do Labour have anybody that is better regarded - to the point where they could have got support for ID cards?

    Nope.

    Not only was Labour's electoral support a mile wide but an inch deep, their talent pool was an inch wide and an inch deep.
    Good point

    Still, Labour have no choice. Starmer has to quit because he can no longer govern. Anything he announces turns to ashes

    They’d be better off with an inane person like Cooper. At least she doesn’t immediately make you want to puke as you cringe

    The Starmer anti-Midas touch raises another issue. Is it not possible his attacks on Farage and Reform will - for this reason - actually boost Farage and Reform?
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,269
    The hammer of the subpostmasters has fired off a strong letter to SKS about Gaza.

    He has to put more pressure on Hamas. I’m sure they’ll listen.

    Presumably this nonsense polls well with key voter groups.

    https://x.com/edwardjdavey/status/1973308187882226061?s=61
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,759
    Ratters said:

    Nigelb said:

    This morning’s grandstanding at Quantico only solidified what we already know: @PeteHegseth continues to disparage and lie about women in the military.

    He claimed the military needs to “return to the male standard” in combat jobs (of 1990!), but here’s the truth: there has never been a separate male and female standard. When women entered combat roles, one standard was set, and we’ve been meeting it ever since. You can either do the job or you can’t. Period...

    https://x.com/AmyMcGrathKY/status/1973080569576624326

    What people like Hegseth don't understand...
    .. encapsulates most of human knowledge.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,884
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Andy_JS said:
    The messaging was poor to begin with and when the PM is so unpopular you have a toxic combination.

    The policy will either get shelved or narrowed to be just a right to work ID and only mandatory for those wanting to work.
    That poll is a death warrant for Starmer’s career. If a popular policy craters on presentation, simply because the abhorred PM announces it, then a government is effectively paralysed. It cannot announce anything

    I’ve been saying it for months and now we have proof. People don’t just disregard Starmer they loathe him. He provokes allergic reactions and general nausea. That’s why he has the worst polling in history. No one trusts him and everyone presumes everything he does is designed to hurt British people and help random Arabs on boats

    Rational or not, there is it. At this point Labour has no choice but to junk him

    Do Labour have anybody that is better regarded - to the point where they could have got support for ID cards?

    Nope.

    Not only was Labour's electoral support a mile wide but an inch deep, their talent pool was an inch wide and an inch deep.
    Good point

    Still, Labour have no choice. Starmer has to quit because he can no longer govern. Anything he announces turns to ashes

    They’d be better off with an inane person like Cooper. At least she doesn’t immediately make you want to puke as you cringe

    The Starmer anti-Midas touch raises another issue. Is it not possible his attacks on Farage and Reform will - for this reason - actually boost Farage and Reform?
    There is no alternative to Starmer though and if he doesn't want to resign there's no feasible way to remove him as a sitting PM. Labour don't have the same lax rules in dethroning a leader like the Tories. Starmer is here until he decides he's had enough or voters decide they've had enough.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,857

    Carnyx said:

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/25508374.firm-linked-michelle-mone-repay-uk-government-122m/?ref=ebbn&nid=1457&u=f140ec39d500193051a33e140c12bd95&date=011025

    News on PPE Medpro front: almost, but not quite, all bawbees have to be repaid.

    'A COMPANY linked to Michelle Mone has been told it must repay the UK Government nearly £122 million back after it breached a contract to supply surgical gowns during the pandemic.

    The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) sued PPE Medpro, saying the company had provided 25m “faulty” gowns that were not sterile.

    Lawyers for the Government told a trial earlier this year that it was entitled to recover the £121m cost of the contract, as well as the costs of transporting and storing the items, which amount to an additional £8,648,691.'

    PPE MedPro's last accounts, to July 2025 (quite quick with the filing there - oh, now I see why) reports only net assets of some £666k (six hundred and sixty six thousand pounds).

    They have included a contigent liability note, but it is clear the company has no ability to repay this. Therefore, corporate lawyers?... unless the directors or shareholders can be held personally liable (highly unlikely, that's the whole point of limited liability) there is no chance of getting more than a token payment from this company.
    The woman took the profits, she should stand the losses
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,759

    Nigelb said:

    algarkirk said:

    Roger said:

    ...

    Roger said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Starmer got his speech just right yesterday. Farage has been allowed to get away with murder. He's a full on xenophobe/racist and though late in the day Starmer has finally called him out for what he is. If voters are attracted to that then let the vast majority who don't see themselves that way understand the dividing line.

    Starmer was impressive yesterday as was Lammy. Labour have taken a year and a half to get the tone right. Don't row back.

    Lammy said Farage had links with the Hitler Youth. An organisation disbanded two decades before Farage was born
    I heard him say something about flirting with Nazism in his youth. Very smart of lammy to put it out there.

    Those who want to believe it will . Those like big boobs Betty from Barnsley on the BBC Vox Pop will also probably believe it but won't be bothered.
    It was the one real misstep widely criticised, including by labour supporters who are annoyed it dominated the news media

    Lammy back tracked on his comment subsequently
    Lammy is referencing widely reported stories from teachers at Dulwich College that Farage demonstrated "fascist" (their word) tendencies including allegedly singing Hitler Youth songs whilst on a field trip to Sussex.
    From Crick -

    Today's accusation by David Lammy about Farage & the Hitler Youth probably stems from a story I did years ago about a teacher at Dulwich College writing to the headmaster to say Farage was unsuitable to be a prefect since a colleague said he had "neo-fascist" views.

    And the teacher who complained to the head also quoted a colleague who said that on a CCF camp "Farage and others had marched through a quiet Sussex village very late at night, shouting Hitler Youth songs".

    Farage denied this when I broadcast the letter on C4 News. In researching that film & my subsequent biography, talking to c.60-80 people at his school, I found no corrororation for the Hitler Youth songs story, though plenty of evidence for much worse behaviour at school

    https://x.com/MichaelLCrick/status/1973114505694449898
    I apologise for my unintended fake news. But on the other hand your defence of Farage using Crick's confirmation is piss poor.
    It's clearly time to do a deep dive into Dulwich College's Farage portfolio. Crick used to be good at that sort of thing. The ghastly man has had a free ride but I suspect that now Starmer and Labour have rediscovered their backbone and they've given up on their anti semitism nonsense they can now take the gloves off.
    I doubt if many opinionated adults would survive the scrutiny well if everything they thought and said and did at school were unearthed, exaggerated and published.

    There was a time when it was routine for immature opinionated people in school to have ludicrous views in support of Stalin, Lenin, Che Guevara, Castro, Mao Tse Tung, the IRA and so on.

    The adult Farage is absolutely fair game, but not perhaps the absurd school boy.

    At one bank, we amused ourselves at an interview by asking mocking questions about the social media posts of the candidate.

    Who, a few months earlier, had been advocating violence against the “Banksters”,
    How well did they deal with it ?
    Not well. Lots of silences and “ummmmmms”
    Disappointing; I was hoping for a smart and feisty rejoinder.
    Poor interview prep.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,675

    Have I missed the serenades for Sadiq and ULEZ?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c75q9d2pqyeo



    Sir Boris is the mother and father of ULEZ. Hats off to Sir Boris!
    Huzzah!! He deserves the plaudits, he should be lauded on BBC London.

    In rare cross-party consensus, Sadiq thought it such a good idea he implemented it 3 years early, first as T-charge then ULEZ.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,759
    A quick check on the Trump Administration just hours from shutting down the government …

    Oh.

    They’re fighting with the latest pentagon-approved AI tool.

    https://x.com/GovPressOffice/status/1973118911798485393

    The spectacle of a deputy White House Comms director publicly arguing with grok is undeniably amusing.
    "Yo @grok you're wrong..."
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,505

    Carnyx said:

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/25508374.firm-linked-michelle-mone-repay-uk-government-122m/?ref=ebbn&nid=1457&u=f140ec39d500193051a33e140c12bd95&date=011025

    News on PPE Medpro front: almost, but not quite, all bawbees have to be repaid.

    'A COMPANY linked to Michelle Mone has been told it must repay the UK Government nearly £122 million back after it breached a contract to supply surgical gowns during the pandemic.

    The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) sued PPE Medpro, saying the company had provided 25m “faulty” gowns that were not sterile.

    Lawyers for the Government told a trial earlier this year that it was entitled to recover the £121m cost of the contract, as well as the costs of transporting and storing the items, which amount to an additional £8,648,691.'

    PPE MedPro's last accounts, to July 2025 (quite quick with the filing there - oh, now I see why) reports only net assets of some £666k (six hundred and sixty six thousand pounds).

    They have included a contigent liability note, but it is clear the company has no ability to repay this. Therefore, corporate lawyers?... unless the directors or shareholders can be held personally liable (highly unlikely, that's the whole point of limited liability) there is no chance of getting more than a token payment from this company.
    There are a number of potential options. If the company has been trading whilst insolvent the directors can become personally liable. Ditto if there has been "wrongful trading" which might be a better option. If the liability has been incurred by the company as a result of breaches of fiduciary duty by a director (eg the director knew that the goods supplied were not conform but proceeded anyway) then the liquidator may have a claim for the liabilities incurred. There may be some insurance.

    None of these are straightforward (except insurance) but given the sums and the political profile I think the government may well be minded to pursue one or more of them.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,116
    DavidL said:

    Carnyx said:

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/25508374.firm-linked-michelle-mone-repay-uk-government-122m/?ref=ebbn&nid=1457&u=f140ec39d500193051a33e140c12bd95&date=011025

    News on PPE Medpro front: almost, but not quite, all bawbees have to be repaid.

    'A COMPANY linked to Michelle Mone has been told it must repay the UK Government nearly £122 million back after it breached a contract to supply surgical gowns during the pandemic.

    The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) sued PPE Medpro, saying the company had provided 25m “faulty” gowns that were not sterile.

    Lawyers for the Government told a trial earlier this year that it was entitled to recover the £121m cost of the contract, as well as the costs of transporting and storing the items, which amount to an additional £8,648,691.'

    PPE MedPro's last accounts, to July 2025 (quite quick with the filing there - oh, now I see why) reports only net assets of some £666k (six hundred and sixty six thousand pounds).

    They have included a contigent liability note, but it is clear the company has no ability to repay this. Therefore, corporate lawyers?... unless the directors or shareholders can be held personally liable (highly unlikely, that's the whole point of limited liability) there is no chance of getting more than a token payment from this company.
    There are a number of potential options. If the company has been trading whilst insolvent the directors can become personally liable. Ditto if there has been "wrongful trading" which might be a better option. If the liability has been incurred by the company as a result of breaches of fiduciary duty by a director (eg the director knew that the goods supplied were not conform but proceeded anyway) then the liquidator may have a claim for the liabilities incurred. There may be some insurance.

    None of these are straightforward (except insurance) but given the sums and the political profile I think the government may well be minded to pursue one or more of them.
    Coming soon to GBNews as the victims here...
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,162
    edited October 1

    Cyclefree said:



    boulay said:

    Battlebus said:

    Good morning and may I tap into the PB expertise on badgers? For some reason a local badger has taken to arriving at 4:00 to dig up some newly laid topsoil and grass seeding. Could the panel suggest how I get the beast to visit my neighbours, whom we dislike. instead.

    Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells.

    Maybe buy a bag of dry dog food and throw handfuls into your neighbour’s garden when they are out which might attract the badger there for an easy meal. Perhaps leave a little trail from away from your garden towards theirs from the wilds where the badgers live.

    Either that or just kill one with a spade and leave it on a post as a warning to other badgers.
    Er..... no.

    Badgers are a protected species in the U.K. Do that and you're committing a criminal offence under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981.

    How is the badger getting into your garden?
    Ha. We have exactly the same issue. Some mornings the lawn looks like a WW1 battlefield.

    They are very determined, badgers. I keep thinking I have sealed off the garden (we already have a deer fence due to roe deer taking a liking to our plants) but they seem to find an alternative way in each time. The battle continues, but I wouldn't bet against the Brocks.
    Before all the badgers were culled here in south Devon, the field behind our house would get as much as a third of the turf turned over. Hell of a mess.

    I was told the thing to do is scatter peanuts over the surface. A BIG bag of peanuts. They will take them off the surface, rather than destroy the grass looking for stuff underneath.
    I remember talking to a grumpy farmer/developer near Evesham a couple of years ago who was just over the Gloucestershire border. He was not allowed to continue his development project due to badger sets. He was complaining that if he lived a couple of miles down the road in Worcestershire he could cull them.

    Years ago I was doing work at the Federal Mogul plant in Coleford which had been sold for redevelopment. The developer through his aggressive personal rudeness really pissed off my contact at Federal Mogul who was clearing the plant after the sale. My contact found some bats in the eves of one of the buildings, so he got his revenge by tipping off the Environment Agency and Forest of Dean Council. It caused no end of delay for the developer, who thought f*** the bats and demolished regardless. Then all Hell was let loose...
    I have a great friend in Lancashire who's wife owned a field next to their house.

    So their children grew up playing in it in the 1980s, and .. moving newts between the different ponds in the other fields.

    So when they came to self-build on it in around 2013 or so, they had to build newt fences to keep them out, and all the other stuff.

    (Whoever it is in the above thread can probably manage the Roe Deer by shooting and eating, which is a Good Thing To Do - but you need to know that you do not have overly-squeamish neighbours.)

    But he's German, and he approves conserving nature-at-risk, so they followed the rules.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,817
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Andy_JS said:
    The messaging was poor to begin with and when the PM is so unpopular you have a toxic combination.

    The policy will either get shelved or narrowed to be just a right to work ID and only mandatory for those wanting to work.
    That poll is a death warrant for Starmer’s career. If a popular policy craters on presentation, simply because the abhorred PM announces it, then a government is effectively paralysed. It cannot announce anything

    I’ve been saying it for months and now we have proof. People don’t just disregard Starmer they loathe him. He provokes allergic reactions and general nausea. That’s why he has the worst polling in history. No one trusts him and everyone presumes everything he does is designed to hurt British people and help random Arabs on boats

    Rational or not, there is it. At this point Labour has no choice but to junk him

    Do Labour have anybody that is better regarded - to the point where they could have got support for ID cards?

    Nope.

    Not only was Labour's electoral support a mile wide but an inch deep, their talent pool was an inch wide and an inch deep.
    Good point

    Still, Labour have no choice. Starmer has to quit because he can no longer govern. Anything he announces turns to ashes

    They’d be better off with an inane person like Cooper. At least she doesn’t immediately make you want to puke as you cringe

    The Starmer anti-Midas touch raises another issue. Is it not possible his attacks on Farage and Reform will - for this reason - actually boost Farage and Reform?
    There is no alternative to Starmer though and if he doesn't want to resign there's no feasible way to remove him as a sitting PM. Labour don't have the same lax rules in dethroning a leader like the Tories. Starmer is here until he decides he's had enough or voters decide they've had enough.
    That’s true theoretically but not in actuality. If - for instance - the majority of his Cabinet go to him and express no confidence or threaten to resign, if he continues, then a PM will quit

    Or a majority of his MPs and so on
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,759
    The drone threat to the rest of Europe appears rather more serious than a couple of incursions.

    NEW (Germany): Authorities say the drone incidents over Schleswig-Holstein were more serious than first thought. Swarms of drones deliberately flew over critical infrastructure including the Thyssenkrupp naval shipyard in Kiel, Kiel University Hospital, a power plant, the Kiel State Parliament, and the Heide refinery that supplies Hamburg Airport with kerosene..
    https://x.com/InsiderGeo/status/1973312973155291319

    I don't think anyone outside of Ukraine yet has even a partial capacity to prevent a determined attack.
  • Ukraine sent 230 drones into Russia - including 6 HIMARS - expecting them all to be taken down. Russia was cheering its success - unawre they were decoys to allow a further 6 HIMARS missiles through to take out the Belgorod thermal power station. A brilliant operation by the Ukrainians that blinded the Russians - and causing the railways to be shut down and crash their supply lines.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTt3YGBkcMY

    Did no-one at war school study previous wars (e.g. Bomber Command vs Germany)?
    Somebody in Ukraine's high command has studied the hell out of the allied bomber campaign in the second world war and clearly learned all the right lessons.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,367

    Have I missed the serenades for Sadiq and ULEZ?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c75q9d2pqyeo

    It's quite an achievement for London to have better air quality than smaller cities like Birmingham, Manchester or Liverpool.
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