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  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,122
    The last government was bad, but this government just doesn’t seem to have a handle on anything. Just hopeless
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,885
    edited September 2
    isam said:

    He went back on his the pledges in the leadership election, renamed them ‘missions’ for the GE so as to make easier to row back on them, then…


    Sir Keir Starmer has streamlined his priorities for government by scrapping a unit that was intended to oversee his flagship missions as part of his latest reset

    The five missions were central to the prime minister’s vision for government when he was in opposition and included kickstarting economic growth, making Britain a clean energy superpower and building an NHS fit for the future…

    …It means that Starmer has now announced more than 30 different priorities since entering office, including an array of “foundations”, “missions”, “first steps”, “milestones” and “economic growth pillars”.



    https://www.thetimes.com/article/7ee9d7e8-8fa2-4b6d-8cfa-dce1fdcd376d?shareToken=824acb7830c000f6daf54653a28a4608

    It just isn’t clear leadership. You’ve got to stick to something consistent to tell people who you are. There does need to be a message. It’s all entirely nebulous with Starmer.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,825

    The polling is absolutely dire for Labour. But I don't think it's particularly relevant to draw historical comparisons, as the state of multi-party flux we are now in is atypical.

    Let's say Labour are on 20% and Reform on 30%. That's a big gap. But in previous times, you'd expect the main opposition party to be on at least 40% if Labour/the governing party were on 20% - a huge gap. Clumsily, what I'm trying to say is that those who argue there is no way back for Labour on current polling focus too much on Labour's dire score rather than on the size of the gap. We're in relatively new, highly volatile territory. And there's 4 years to go....

    The key for a Labour win is convincing their voters to turn out. That was the reason for their poor vote share last time, particularly the losses to Greens and Independents.

    There are few Lab losses to Ref or Con, the losses have been to LD and Green (both better at GOTV last July) and to DK/WNV. Labour needs to give those voters a reason to turn out or to tactically vote Lab, and that won't be via "Fun with Flags"

    Labour doesn't need a back room shuffle, it needs vision, ideology and charisma. Clearly that will never come from Starmer, so there needs to be a fresh face at the top, and a far better and aggressive media team. The current lot are abject.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,820
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Graham Linehan
    I was arrested for insulting the trans mob"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/i-was-arrested-for-insulting-the-trans-mob

    He got a Spectator article out of it so why's he complaining?
    Good work by the Govester there. The Spectator secured the biggest story of the day

    That’s why it is the greatest magazine - indeed possibly the greatest thing of any kind, including astral bodies - in the history of the cosmos
    Govey’s definitely got his finger on the edgy satire button.

    https://x.com/chiuauateardrop/status/1877009486885323168?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/sep/02/father-ted-creator-graham-linehan-arrested-over-posts-on-transgender-issues

    Polis statement:

    “The arrest was made by officers from the MPS aviation unit. It is routine for officers policing airports to carry firearms. These were not drawn or used at any point during the arrest.”
    So they didn’t actually try and shoot him. Just arrested him with five cops all with guns at the airport, for some jokey tweets
    Makes it alright then, doesn’t it !
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,814
    Taz said:

    Budget won’t be til mid November, earliest, as govt has not given PBR the ten week notice it needs

    That will reassure the markets

    https://x.com/hugogye/status/1962895554930688288?s=61

    That’s…. extraordinary

    This is the one time you want to deliver a budget as early and as confidently as possible, in case the country goes bankrupt as lenders lose confidence. Instead Labour soak the event in uncertainty, giving the distinct impression they are avoiding the dreadful day, as they’ve got no idea what to do and no one wants to deliver the awful news

    Jesus effing Christ. This is like the last days of Sunak, and we’re only a year in
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,667

    isam said:

    He went back on his the pledges in the leadership election, renamed them ‘missions’ for the GE so as to make easier to row back on them, then…


    Sir Keir Starmer has streamlined his priorities for government by scrapping a unit that was intended to oversee his flagship missions as part of his latest reset

    The five missions were central to the prime minister’s vision for government when he was in opposition and included kickstarting economic growth, making Britain a clean energy superpower and building an NHS fit for the future…

    …It means that Starmer has now announced more than 30 different priorities since entering office, including an array of “foundations”, “missions”, “first steps”, “milestones” and “economic growth pillars”.



    https://www.thetimes.com/article/7ee9d7e8-8fa2-4b6d-8cfa-dce1fdcd376d?shareToken=824acb7830c000f6daf54653a28a4608

    It just isn’t clear leadership. You’ve got to stick to something consistent to tell people who you are. There does need to be a message. It’s all entirely nebulous with Starmer.
    Not true. Starmer made it very clear, over the trans judgement, that he believes the moral and ethical answer is whatever the Supreme Court says.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,258
    "@YouGov

    While Keir Starmer yesterday insisted he will definitely lead Labour into the next election, most Britons see this as unlikely

    Likely: 32%
    Unlikely: 53%"

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1962894743232286960
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,814
    Foxy said:

    The polling is absolutely dire for Labour. But I don't think it's particularly relevant to draw historical comparisons, as the state of multi-party flux we are now in is atypical.

    Let's say Labour are on 20% and Reform on 30%. That's a big gap. But in previous times, you'd expect the main opposition party to be on at least 40% if Labour/the governing party were on 20% - a huge gap. Clumsily, what I'm trying to say is that those who argue there is no way back for Labour on current polling focus too much on Labour's dire score rather than on the size of the gap. We're in relatively new, highly volatile territory. And there's 4 years to go....

    The key for a Labour win is convincing their voters to turn out. That was the reason for their poor vote share last time, particularly the losses to Greens and Independents.

    There are few Lab losses to Ref or Con, the losses have been to LD and Green (both better at GOTV last July) and to DK/WNV. Labour needs to give those voters a reason to turn out or to tactically vote Lab, and that won't be via "Fun with Flags"

    Labour doesn't need a back room shuffle, it needs vision, ideology and charisma. Clearly that will never come from Starmer, so there needs to be a fresh face at the top, and a far better and aggressive media team. The current lot are abject.
    Yes

    Starmer isn’t up to the job and never will be. He’s a dud. The wrong man at the wrong time with the wrong mindset. The sooner Labour accepts this the better for them and the country

    Trouble is - who is better? Rayner?!
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,907

    isam said:

    He went back on his the pledges in the leadership election, renamed them ‘missions’ for the GE so as to make easier to row back on them, then…


    Sir Keir Starmer has streamlined his priorities for government by scrapping a unit that was intended to oversee his flagship missions as part of his latest reset

    The five missions were central to the prime minister’s vision for government when he was in opposition and included kickstarting economic growth, making Britain a clean energy superpower and building an NHS fit for the future…

    …It means that Starmer has now announced more than 30 different priorities since entering office, including an array of “foundations”, “missions”, “first steps”, “milestones” and “economic growth pillars”.



    https://www.thetimes.com/article/7ee9d7e8-8fa2-4b6d-8cfa-dce1fdcd376d?shareToken=824acb7830c000f6daf54653a28a4608

    It just isn’t clear leadership. You’ve got to stick to something consistent to tell people who you are. There does need to be a message. It’s all entirely nebulous with Starmer.
    There has been one clear message lately. Government prioritises immigrants over people who live here. Not sure SKS intended that message to come through quite so loudly & clearly, though.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,567
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    The polling is absolutely dire for Labour. But I don't think it's particularly relevant to draw historical comparisons, as the state of multi-party flux we are now in is atypical.

    Let's say Labour are on 20% and Reform on 30%. That's a big gap. But in previous times, you'd expect the main opposition party to be on at least 40% if Labour/the governing party were on 20% - a huge gap. Clumsily, what I'm trying to say is that those who argue there is no way back for Labour on current polling focus too much on Labour's dire score rather than on the size of the gap. We're in relatively new, highly volatile territory. And there's 4 years to go....

    The key for a Labour win is convincing their voters to turn out. That was the reason for their poor vote share last time, particularly the losses to Greens and Independents.

    There are few Lab losses to Ref or Con, the losses have been to LD and Green (both better at GOTV last July) and to DK/WNV. Labour needs to give those voters a reason to turn out or to tactically vote Lab, and that won't be via "Fun with Flags"

    Labour doesn't need a back room shuffle, it needs vision, ideology and charisma. Clearly that will never come from Starmer, so there needs to be a fresh face at the top, and a far better and aggressive media team. The current lot are abject.
    Yes

    Starmer isn’t up to the job and never will be. He’s a dud. The wrong man at the wrong time with the wrong mindset. The sooner Labour accepts this the better for them and the country

    Trouble is - who is better? Rayner?!
    Sir Richard Burgon of Leeds. The coming man
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,820
    AnneJGP said:

    isam said:

    He went back on his the pledges in the leadership election, renamed them ‘missions’ for the GE so as to make easier to row back on them, then…


    Sir Keir Starmer has streamlined his priorities for government by scrapping a unit that was intended to oversee his flagship missions as part of his latest reset

    The five missions were central to the prime minister’s vision for government when he was in opposition and included kickstarting economic growth, making Britain a clean energy superpower and building an NHS fit for the future…

    …It means that Starmer has now announced more than 30 different priorities since entering office, including an array of “foundations”, “missions”, “first steps”, “milestones” and “economic growth pillars”.



    https://www.thetimes.com/article/7ee9d7e8-8fa2-4b6d-8cfa-dce1fdcd376d?shareToken=824acb7830c000f6daf54653a28a4608

    It just isn’t clear leadership. You’ve got to stick to something consistent to tell people who you are. There does need to be a message. It’s all entirely nebulous with Starmer.
    There has been one clear message lately. Government prioritises immigrants over people who live here. Not sure SKS intended that message to come through quite so loudly & clearly, though.
    They do give the impression of having contempt for the voters.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,258
    edited September 2
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    The polling is absolutely dire for Labour. But I don't think it's particularly relevant to draw historical comparisons, as the state of multi-party flux we are now in is atypical.

    Let's say Labour are on 20% and Reform on 30%. That's a big gap. But in previous times, you'd expect the main opposition party to be on at least 40% if Labour/the governing party were on 20% - a huge gap. Clumsily, what I'm trying to say is that those who argue there is no way back for Labour on current polling focus too much on Labour's dire score rather than on the size of the gap. We're in relatively new, highly volatile territory. And there's 4 years to go....

    The key for a Labour win is convincing their voters to turn out. That was the reason for their poor vote share last time, particularly the losses to Greens and Independents.

    There are few Lab losses to Ref or Con, the losses have been to LD and Green (both better at GOTV last July) and to DK/WNV. Labour needs to give those voters a reason to turn out or to tactically vote Lab, and that won't be via "Fun with Flags"

    Labour doesn't need a back room shuffle, it needs vision, ideology and charisma. Clearly that will never come from Starmer, so there needs to be a fresh face at the top, and a far better and aggressive media team. The current lot are abject.
    Yes

    Starmer isn’t up to the job and never will be. He’s a dud. The wrong man at the wrong time with the wrong mindset. The sooner Labour accepts this the better for them and the country

    Trouble is - who is better? Rayner?!
    They could give Rayner a try for a couple of years and see how it goes. Still time to change to someone else.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,682
    Saudis have stopped shipping oil to India’s Russian-owned refinery, from 3m barrels a month.

    https://x.com/nexta_tv/status/1962792562651017255

    The sanctions are working.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,815
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Graham Linehan
    I was arrested for insulting the trans mob"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/i-was-arrested-for-insulting-the-trans-mob

    He got a Spectator article out of it so why's he complaining?
    Good work by the Govester there. The Spectator secured the biggest story of the day

    That’s why it is the greatest magazine - indeed possibly the greatest thing of any kind, including astral bodies - in the history of the cosmos
    Govey’s definitely got his finger on the edgy satire button.

    https://x.com/chiuauateardrop/status/1877009486885323168?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/sep/02/father-ted-creator-graham-linehan-arrested-over-posts-on-transgender-issues

    Polis statement:

    “The arrest was made by officers from the MPS aviation unit. It is routine for officers policing airports to carry firearms. These were not drawn or used at any point during the arrest.”
    So they didn’t actually try and shoot him. Just arrested him with five cops all with guns at the airport, for some jokey tweets
    Makes it alright then, doesn’t it !
    What did you expect the police to do with their guns? Stash them behind the counter at starbucks? As far as I am aware, all police in the airports are armed.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,686
    Those of you interested in the ice-cream case may wish to see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treating
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,823
    Just wait for model Y

    @bluememe.bsky.social‬

    People with critical thinking skills may have noticed that the stuff that Elon uses to inflate the value of his companies is always something that doesn't exist, and that his companies do not have any actual ability to deliver. And when the market begins to smell bullshit, he switches to a new con.

    https://bsky.app/profile/bluememe.bsky.social/post/3lxulinybxs2u
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,686
    edited September 2

    Taz said:

    Budget won’t be til mid November, earliest, as govt has not given PBR the ten week notice it needs

    That will reassure the markets

    https://x.com/hugogye/status/1962895554930688288?s=61

    'I spoke to a former PM and she reckons you don't have to do the OBR thing'
    'Awesome'
    The OBR should be abolished. It's staffed by economists. Its budget should be redeployed to the ONS. Which is staffed by statisticians.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,567
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    The polling is absolutely dire for Labour. But I don't think it's particularly relevant to draw historical comparisons, as the state of multi-party flux we are now in is atypical.

    Let's say Labour are on 20% and Reform on 30%. That's a big gap. But in previous times, you'd expect the main opposition party to be on at least 40% if Labour/the governing party were on 20% - a huge gap. Clumsily, what I'm trying to say is that those who argue there is no way back for Labour on current polling focus too much on Labour's dire score rather than on the size of the gap. We're in relatively new, highly volatile territory. And there's 4 years to go....

    The key for a Labour win is convincing their voters to turn out. That was the reason for their poor vote share last time, particularly the losses to Greens and Independents.

    There are few Lab losses to Ref or Con, the losses have been to LD and Green (both better at GOTV last July) and to DK/WNV. Labour needs to give those voters a reason to turn out or to tactically vote Lab, and that won't be via "Fun with Flags"

    Labour doesn't need a back room shuffle, it needs vision, ideology and charisma. Clearly that will never come from Starmer, so there needs to be a fresh face at the top, and a far better and aggressive media team. The current lot are abject.
    Yes

    Starmer isn’t up to the job and never will be. He’s a dud. The wrong man at the wrong time with the wrong mindset. The sooner Labour accepts this the better for them and the country

    Trouble is - who is better? Rayner?!
    They could give Rayner a try for a couple of years and see how it goes. Still time to change to someone else.
    SKS takes the Chiltern Hundreds, Feinstein wins the by-election for the fruits from Polanski, PM Rayner hails Labours third place 'one hundred and six' votes ahead of the Tories
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,814

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Graham Linehan
    I was arrested for insulting the trans mob"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/i-was-arrested-for-insulting-the-trans-mob

    He got a Spectator article out of it so why's he complaining?
    Good work by the Govester there. The Spectator secured the biggest story of the day

    That’s why it is the greatest magazine - indeed possibly the greatest thing of any kind, including astral bodies - in the history of the cosmos
    Govey’s definitely got his finger on the edgy satire button.

    https://x.com/chiuauateardrop/status/1877009486885323168?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/sep/02/father-ted-creator-graham-linehan-arrested-over-posts-on-transgender-issues

    Polis statement:

    “The arrest was made by officers from the MPS aviation unit. It is routine for officers policing airports to carry firearms. These were not drawn or used at any point during the arrest.”
    So they didn’t actually try and shoot him. Just arrested him with five cops all with guns at the airport, for some jokey tweets
    Makes it alright then, doesn’t it !
    What did you expect the police to do with their guns? Stash them behind the counter at starbucks? As far as I am aware, all police in the airports are armed.
    Why did they treat him like a suspect terrorist? It’s insane

    All they had to do was email him. Or message him. Ask him to come to a station

    The fact he’s being arrested at all for jokey tweets is crazy, the fact they did it in this aggressive, menacing way is mind boggling. Presumably some police person made this fucking dim decision. I’m gonna guess she or he is in their 50s, wildly over promoted, drenched with Wokeness

    The police are gaining the contempt of the people, not their consent. It’s tragic
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,650
    Pretty bleak conclusion from Rentoul on the Green's decision today in his evening newsletter.

    Basically the party just voted to become a green version of the SWP.

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,567
    viewcode said:

    Taz said:

    Budget won’t be til mid November, earliest, as govt has not given PBR the ten week notice it needs

    That will reassure the markets

    https://x.com/hugogye/status/1962895554930688288?s=61

    'I spoke to a former PM and she reckons you don't have to do the OBR thing'
    'Awesome'
    The OBR should be abolished. It's staffed by economists. Its budget should be redeployed to the ONS. Which is staffed by statisticians.
    Get rid of them all
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,745
    Scott_xP said:

    Just wait for model Y

    @bluememe.bsky.social‬

    People with critical thinking skills may have noticed that the stuff that Elon uses to inflate the value of his companies is always something that doesn't exist, and that his companies do not have any actual ability to deliver. And when the market begins to smell bullshit, he switches to a new con.

    https://bsky.app/profile/bluememe.bsky.social/post/3lxulinybxs2u

    I was chatting to a greybeard about this a few weeks back, and he said a significant change happened around the Dot-Com bubble crash. Many new tech firms went from "Here's a prototype, we need money to get it into production" to "Here's a dream, give us money and we'll collect the underpants".

    I'm unconvinced that this is a better way if producing anything other than very rich tech pioneers and series A funders.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,814
    Scott_xP said:

    Just wait for model Y

    @bluememe.bsky.social‬

    People with critical thinking skills may have noticed that the stuff that Elon uses to inflate the value of his companies is always something that doesn't exist, and that his companies do not have any actual ability to deliver. And when the market begins to smell bullshit, he switches to a new con.

    https://bsky.app/profile/bluememe.bsky.social/post/3lxulinybxs2u

    “His companies do not have any actual ability to deliver”

    SpaceX now launches more rockets annually than any nation except the U.S. and China, accounting for nearly half of all global orbital launches and over 70–80% of those outside Russia and China.

    Meanwhile Starlink, SpaceX’s satellite internet constellation, now operates over 7,100 low-Earth orbit satellites (from more than 9,500 launched) to deliver high-speed broadband across 130+ countries, with plans to eventually deploy up to 42,000
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,091
    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Graham Linehan
    I was arrested for insulting the trans mob"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/i-was-arrested-for-insulting-the-trans-mob

    He got a Spectator article out of it so why's he complaining?
    Good work by the Govester there. The Spectator secured the biggest story of the day

    That’s why it is the greatest magazine - indeed possibly the greatest thing of any kind, including astral bodies - in the history of the cosmos
    Govey’s definitely got his finger on the edgy satire button.

    https://x.com/chiuauateardrop/status/1877009486885323168?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/sep/02/father-ted-creator-graham-linehan-arrested-over-posts-on-transgender-issues

    Polis statement:

    “The arrest was made by officers from the MPS aviation unit. It is routine for officers policing airports to carry firearms. These were not drawn or used at any point during the arrest.”
    So they didn’t actually try and shoot him. Just arrested him with five cops all with guns at the airport, for some jokey tweets
    Makes it alright then, doesn’t it !
    What did you expect the police to do with their guns? Stash them behind the counter at starbucks? As far as I am aware, all police in the airports are armed.
    Why did they treat him like a suspect terrorist? It’s insane

    All they had to do was email him. Or message him. Ask him to come to a station

    The fact he’s being arrested at all for jokey tweets is crazy, the fact they did it in this aggressive, menacing way is mind boggling. Presumably some police person made this fucking dim decision. I’m gonna guess she or he is in their 50s, wildly over promoted, drenched with Wokeness

    The police are gaining the contempt of the people, not their consent. It’s tragic
    They could have just sent whichever poor sod police detectives to wait for him and pull him to the side as he arrived and went through passport control and ask him to go to the station with them to answer questions.

    Even that would be ridiculous but if they “had to” get to him and ask questions formally they didn’t need five police and to arrest him

    There will no doubt be some mealy mouthed bullshit about protecting the public and the accused by sending five police in order to avoid any injuries or accidents and to maintain order in the sensitive area of an airport or whatever bollocks.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,765
    edited September 2
    viewcode said:

    Taz said:

    Budget won’t be til mid November, earliest, as govt has not given PBR the ten week notice it needs

    That will reassure the markets

    https://x.com/hugogye/status/1962895554930688288?s=61

    'I spoke to a former PM and she reckons you don't have to do the OBR thing'
    'Awesome'
    The OBR should be abolished. It's staffed by economists. Its budget should be redeployed to the ONS. Which is staffed by statisticians.
    Liars, damned liars... and statisticians?
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,885

    Pretty bleak conclusion from Rentoul on the Green's decision today in his evening newsletter.

    Basically the party just voted to become a green version of the SWP.

    If the Lib Dems are smart they’ll nab the moderates. They’re more in line with that group now anyway.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,667

    isam said:

    He went back on his the pledges in the leadership election, renamed them ‘missions’ for the GE so as to make easier to row back on them, then…


    Sir Keir Starmer has streamlined his priorities for government by scrapping a unit that was intended to oversee his flagship missions as part of his latest reset

    The five missions were central to the prime minister’s vision for government when he was in opposition and included kickstarting economic growth, making Britain a clean energy superpower and building an NHS fit for the future…

    …It means that Starmer has now announced more than 30 different priorities since entering office, including an array of “foundations”, “missions”, “first steps”, “milestones” and “economic growth pillars”.



    https://www.thetimes.com/article/7ee9d7e8-8fa2-4b6d-8cfa-dce1fdcd376d?shareToken=824acb7830c000f6daf54653a28a4608

    It just isn’t clear leadership. You’ve got to stick to something consistent to tell people who you are. There does need to be a message. It’s all entirely nebulous with Starmer.
    Not true. Starmer made it very clear, over the trans judgement, that he believes the moral and ethical answer is whatever the Supreme Court says.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,124
    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    What are you talking about, "a second Labour term"? Leon has already said on the previous thread that the Labour Party are done. Bet accordingly!

    He just doesn't see any way back for them, does he. It's a worry.
    As far as I know - I am happy to be corrected - no governing party with polling as poor as Starmer’s Labour has ever gone on to win a subsequent election

    That could be wrong, I’m still traumatised by my near death experience with the birds of Frankfurt, but if it is true then it suggests history is on my side here
    For recent Labour reference, Mr Gordon Brown of the Manse's Labour hit absolute rock bottom in May 2009 leading in to the local and Euro elections (including one 18% poll with MORI equalling the July 2019 and current FoN lows).
    The average May poll rating was above the current Labour average and had recovered to mid 20s within a month. We know how well his recovery went.......
    So, with SKS Labour in worse shape and huge economic headwinds (Brown's nadir was in a major recession) I think they struggle to recover.
    If Labour are in similar shape in May they'll be utterly mullered everywhere - Brown in 2009 Euros saw Labour come sixth in Cornwall behind Mebyon Kernow. Losses in London coukd be apocalyptic as coukd the Welsh and Scottish results
    I think we have to be careful with historical comparisons. Back then, the UK had a two (or two and a half) party system. That's no longer the case. We now have a five party system (using the Laakso & Taagepera formula).
    Granted, yes
    But recovery is required and we can identify from previous examples how well recovery has gone from these sort if very very low support levels. And we don't know if Labour have bottomed out yet (I suspect not and the record polling low will go over the next couple of months - possibly ditto the Tories)
    Labour will probably head somewhere below 20%, as we approach mid-term, so the coming local elections will be terrible for them,

    That does not rule out the sort of recovery that the Irish government enjoyed, after Sinn Fein had enjoyed huge leads, mid-term.
    Oh totally, never rule anything out! However im currently in the ain't happening camp.
    There is a narrative developing that isn’t helpful for the government. Every relaunch appears to be mocked or shrugged away, every announcement seems to be seen through a negative prism, and people just seem to have given up on Labour one year in.

    First impressions matter. Labour’s weren’t good, and they’ve not helped themselves since.

    I agree with everyone who has said Labour can win the next election. Politics is simply too much in a state of flux to say or predict otherwise. However, I do think that the fundamentals aren’t lining up on their side: They haven’t managed to get the unpopular stuff out of the way in Year 1 (the Year 2 budget looks to be worse than the first despite Reeves’ silly protestations that she “wasn’t coming back for more taxes”).

    They also face an increasingly parlous debt situation which threatens to tip us over into a full crisis at some point. If we do hit crisis point, Labour won’t be able to avoid wider tax rises, spending cuts and pensions reform, some of which will be right but none of which will be popular, and may hit at precisely the wrong point of the political cycle.
    The betting gives Labour a 35% chance of winning the next election. My reading of the PB consensus is that's a strong lay. By which I mean if weighted average PB is a person they ought to be laying it. Laying it now. Waiting till nearer the time is unwise because if the general "they look doomed" sentiment proves correct the value will disappear.
    In judging the issue you have to eliminate the impossible. Someone is going to lead the next government (alone or coalition); someone is going to get most seats, whether + or - 325.

    The Tories look out of it, and without the resource to make the attempt. It's astonishing, but they are not a serious party with serious MPs and serious members. This leaves only Reform and Labour together to come to a % points chance score of about 85 of most seats/leading next government.

    Current betting seems to split that approx Reform 50%, Labour 35%. That's too high for Reform. Time, lack of good people, the USA, and future contingencies are not their friend. Therefore Labour at 35% are too low. Reform are the lay.
    I agree. I'm happy to offer evens Reform to any PBer for as much as they like.

    And none of this £££ nonsense either. I'm talking hard currency kudos points.
  • I'm loving Fantasy Festoonery

    Starmer made a strong, non-divisive start with his giant British banner, but Cooper has edged into the lead with her big bundles of bunting

    Can't wait to see Thornberry's entry
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,091

    I'm loving Fantasy Festoonery

    Starmer made a strong, non-divisive start with his giant British banner, but Cooper has edged into the lead with her big bundles of bunting

    Can't wait to see Thornberry's entry

    Starmer just released a photo of himself in the Downing St apartment.


  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,567

    I'm loving Fantasy Festoonery

    Starmer made a strong, non-divisive start with his giant British banner, but Cooper has edged into the lead with her big bundles of bunting

    Can't wait to see Thornberry's entry

    Thornberry is a prime candidate for a flag emblazoned egg cup
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,825

    Pretty bleak conclusion from Rentoul on the Green's decision today in his evening newsletter.

    Basically the party just voted to become a green version of the SWP.

    85% of members voting Polanski is an overwhelming mandate. Is there any other party leader with such backing?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,001
    boulay said:

    I'm loving Fantasy Festoonery

    Starmer made a strong, non-divisive start with his giant British banner, but Cooper has edged into the lead with her big bundles of bunting

    Can't wait to see Thornberry's entry

    Starmer just released a photo of himself in the Downing St apartment.


    OMG please make it stop !
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,567
    Foxy said:

    Pretty bleak conclusion from Rentoul on the Green's decision today in his evening newsletter.

    Basically the party just voted to become a green version of the SWP.

    85% of members voting Polanski is an overwhelming mandate. Is there any other party leader with such backing?
    Turnout rather dents it. The other parties get their membership interested, barely a third of Greens bothered.
    But in raw % its impressive. Or, Ramsey and Chowns are utter gash. Or both.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,907
    boulay said:

    I'm loving Fantasy Festoonery

    Starmer made a strong, non-divisive start with his giant British banner, but Cooper has edged into the lead with her big bundles of bunting

    Can't wait to see Thornberry's entry

    Starmer just released a photo of himself in the Downing St apartment.


    Is it a photoshop or AI? It's actually quite a good photograph of him.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,966
    nico67 said:

    boulay said:

    I'm loving Fantasy Festoonery

    Starmer made a strong, non-divisive start with his giant British banner, but Cooper has edged into the lead with her big bundles of bunting

    Can't wait to see Thornberry's entry

    Starmer just released a photo of himself in the Downing St apartment.


    OMG please make it stop !
    Naughty Boulay is posting a photoshop. Easy to be sucked in though.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,885
    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Graham Linehan
    I was arrested for insulting the trans mob"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/i-was-arrested-for-insulting-the-trans-mob

    He got a Spectator article out of it so why's he complaining?
    Good work by the Govester there. The Spectator secured the biggest story of the day

    That’s why it is the greatest magazine - indeed possibly the greatest thing of any kind, including astral bodies - in the history of the cosmos
    Govey’s definitely got his finger on the edgy satire button.

    https://x.com/chiuauateardrop/status/1877009486885323168?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/sep/02/father-ted-creator-graham-linehan-arrested-over-posts-on-transgender-issues

    Polis statement:

    “The arrest was made by officers from the MPS aviation unit. It is routine for officers policing airports to carry firearms. These were not drawn or used at any point during the arrest.”
    So they didn’t actually try and shoot him. Just arrested him with five cops all with guns at the airport, for some jokey tweets
    Makes it alright then, doesn’t it !
    What did you expect the police to do with their guns? Stash them behind the counter at starbucks? As far as I am aware, all police in the airports are armed.
    Why did they treat him like a suspect terrorist? It’s insane

    All they had to do was email him. Or message him. Ask him to come to a station

    The fact he’s being arrested at all for jokey tweets is crazy, the fact they did it in this aggressive, menacing way is mind boggling. Presumably some police person made this fucking dim decision. I’m gonna guess she or he is in their 50s, wildly over promoted, drenched with Wokeness

    The police are gaining the contempt of the people, not their consent. It’s tragic
    Arresting him as soon as he stepped foot in the country was - a decision.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,650
    The Linehan case is just perfect for Farage who is speaking this week iirc to Congress about free speech in the UK.

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,184

    nico67 said:

    boulay said:

    I'm loving Fantasy Festoonery

    Starmer made a strong, non-divisive start with his giant British banner, but Cooper has edged into the lead with her big bundles of bunting

    Can't wait to see Thornberry's entry

    Starmer just released a photo of himself in the Downing St apartment.


    OMG please make it stop !
    Naughty Boulay is posting a photoshop. Easy to be sucked in though.
    Complete with that odd badge we were discussing, no?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,058
    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Graham Linehan
    I was arrested for insulting the trans mob"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/i-was-arrested-for-insulting-the-trans-mob

    He got a Spectator article out of it so why's he complaining?
    Good work by the Govester there. The Spectator secured the biggest story of the day

    That’s why it is the greatest magazine - indeed possibly the greatest thing of any kind, including astral bodies - in the history of the cosmos
    Govey’s definitely got his finger on the edgy satire button.

    https://x.com/chiuauateardrop/status/1877009486885323168?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/sep/02/father-ted-creator-graham-linehan-arrested-over-posts-on-transgender-issues

    Polis statement:

    “The arrest was made by officers from the MPS aviation unit. It is routine for officers policing airports to carry firearms. These were not drawn or used at any point during the arrest.”
    So as described - five armed officers. Note - surely one would have sufficed?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,258
    "Boris Johnson calls for Starmer to 'swallow his pride' on Rwanda migrant scheme - 'We had a plan!'
    GB News"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAJZzR6PSq0
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,825

    The Linehan case is just perfect for Farage who is speaking this week iirc to Congress about free speech in the UK.

    Why the hell is Farage skiving the first week of Parliament? Couldn't he speak on the subject here?
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,256
    30 minute delay to Trump coming out?

    Speculate away...
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,966
    Carnyx said:

    nico67 said:

    boulay said:

    I'm loving Fantasy Festoonery

    Starmer made a strong, non-divisive start with his giant British banner, but Cooper has edged into the lead with her big bundles of bunting

    Can't wait to see Thornberry's entry

    Starmer just released a photo of himself in the Downing St apartment.


    OMG please make it stop !
    Naughty Boulay is posting a photoshop. Easy to be sucked in though.
    Complete with that odd badge we were discussing, no?
    Yes, Stone Island. Tbf Sir Keir has sported that in real life, I doubt he’s a Stella man though.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,650

    Foxy said:

    Pretty bleak conclusion from Rentoul on the Green's decision today in his evening newsletter.

    Basically the party just voted to become a green version of the SWP.

    85% of members voting Polanski is an overwhelming mandate. Is there any other party leader with such backing?
    Turnout rather dents it. The other parties get their membership interested, barely a third of Greens bothered.
    But in raw % its impressive. Or, Ramsey and Chowns are utter gash. Or both.
    The turnout is really poor.

    You get better turnout on a freezing rain windswept November Thursday for a council election in North Nowheres Whippet Town.

    Odd.

    Be really really interesting to see vote pattern based on when joined the party.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,966

    Foxy said:

    Pretty bleak conclusion from Rentoul on the Green's decision today in his evening newsletter.

    Basically the party just voted to become a green version of the SWP.

    85% of members voting Polanski is an overwhelming mandate. Is there any other party leader with such backing?
    Turnout rather dents it. The other parties get their membership interested, barely a third of Greens bothered.
    But in raw % its impressive. Or, Ramsey and Chowns are utter gash. Or both.
    The turnout is really poor.

    You get better turnout on a freezing rain windswept November Thursday for a council election in North Nowheres Whippet Town.

    Odd.

    Be really really interesting to see vote pattern based on when joined the party.
    The Scottish Greens turnout was worse I think.
  • viewcode said:

    Those of you interested in the ice-cream case may wish to see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treating

    That councillor will be in trouble with their Chief Mr Whippy.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,803
    ...
    Andy_JS said:

    "Boris Johnson calls for Starmer to 'swallow his pride' on Rwanda migrant scheme - 'We had a plan!'
    GB News"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAJZzR6PSq0

    It was a stunt. An appalling stunt to send people to an appalling country run by an appalling man.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,406
    boulay said:

    I'm loving Fantasy Festoonery

    Starmer made a strong, non-divisive start with his giant British banner, but Cooper has edged into the lead with her big bundles of bunting

    Can't wait to see Thornberry's entry

    Starmer just released a photo of himself in the Downing St apartment.


    Belgian Beer? Traitor.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,747
    CatMan said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    The President's announcement relates to the "Department of Defense".

    Some card: "What, the identity of the Commander-in-Chief?"

    Although, I am following this myself, as you'll have gathered -something does feel to have occurred and I'm wondering what.

    From The Guardian live blog:

    "There are murmurs that instead the “exciting announcement” will be about renaming the Department of Defense to the “Department of War” – it’s former name previously discontinued in 1947.

    A number of news outlets reported ahead of Labor Day that the White House had been working up plans for the reverted name, citing a White House official.
    "
    Is this in preparation for renaming the Nobel War Prize ?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,825

    Foxy said:

    Pretty bleak conclusion from Rentoul on the Green's decision today in his evening newsletter.

    Basically the party just voted to become a green version of the SWP.

    85% of members voting Polanski is an overwhelming mandate. Is there any other party leader with such backing?
    Turnout rather dents it. The other parties get their membership interested, barely a third of Greens bothered.
    But in raw % its impressive. Or, Ramsey and Chowns are utter gash. Or both.
    The turnout is really poor.

    You get better turnout on a freezing rain windswept November Thursday for a council election in North Nowheres Whippet Town.

    Odd.

    Be really really interesting to see vote pattern based on when joined the party.
    37% is a much higher turnout than the 22% in their last leadership poll.

    As I understand it, Green Party policy is set by Conference, not by the leader, so while Polanski represents a dynamic advocate for left wing policies, he has to convince conference first.

    I think he will.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,831
    Has Trump done his announcement yet or what
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,907

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Graham Linehan
    I was arrested for insulting the trans mob"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/i-was-arrested-for-insulting-the-trans-mob

    He got a Spectator article out of it so why's he complaining?
    Good work by the Govester there. The Spectator secured the biggest story of the day

    That’s why it is the greatest magazine - indeed possibly the greatest thing of any kind, including astral bodies - in the history of the cosmos
    Govey’s definitely got his finger on the edgy satire button.

    https://x.com/chiuauateardrop/status/1877009486885323168?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/sep/02/father-ted-creator-graham-linehan-arrested-over-posts-on-transgender-issues

    Polis statement:

    “The arrest was made by officers from the MPS aviation unit. It is routine for officers policing airports to carry firearms. These were not drawn or used at any point during the arrest.”
    So as described - five armed officers. Note - surely one would have sufficed?
    Maybe the officers were hoping to draw attention to the arrest, thinking it overkill themselves.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,567

    Foxy said:

    Pretty bleak conclusion from Rentoul on the Green's decision today in his evening newsletter.

    Basically the party just voted to become a green version of the SWP.

    85% of members voting Polanski is an overwhelming mandate. Is there any other party leader with such backing?
    Turnout rather dents it. The other parties get their membership interested, barely a third of Greens bothered.
    But in raw % its impressive. Or, Ramsey and Chowns are utter gash. Or both.
    The turnout is really poor.

    You get better turnout on a freezing rain windswept November Thursday for a council election in North Nowheres Whippet Town.

    Odd.

    Be really really interesting to see vote pattern based on when joined the party.
    The Scottish Greens turnout was worse I think.
    12.7%
    Lorna Slater getting 264 votes or about 4% of the membership has to be a fairly damning indictment of her tenure.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,730

    Has Trump done his announcement yet or what

    20 minutes late. No sign on Fox live.
  • Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Pretty bleak conclusion from Rentoul on the Green's decision today in his evening newsletter.

    Basically the party just voted to become a green version of the SWP.

    85% of members voting Polanski is an overwhelming mandate. Is there any other party leader with such backing?
    Turnout rather dents it. The other parties get their membership interested, barely a third of Greens bothered.
    But in raw % its impressive. Or, Ramsey and Chowns are utter gash. Or both.
    The turnout is really poor.

    You get better turnout on a freezing rain windswept November Thursday for a council election in North Nowheres Whippet Town.

    Odd.

    Be really really interesting to see vote pattern based on when joined the party.
    37% is a much higher turnout than the 22% in their last leadership poll.

    As I understand it, Green Party policy is set by Conference, not by the leader, so while Polanski represents a dynamic advocate for left wing policies, he has to convince conference first.

    I think he will.
    Will it be a question of convincing Conference, or telling them they can vote for what they want to hear?

    I mean, everyone else is doing it, so why shouldn't the Greens, but I'm pretty sure that it's a large part of why we're in this mess.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,650

    Julia Hartley-Brewer
    @JuliaHB1
    ·
    2h
    The new Green Party leader Zack Polanski always follows The Science - whether it's Net Zero or working as a hypnotherapist telling women they can THINK their boobs bigger. Politics has just got fun again.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,823
    DementiaDon late for his own press announcement.

    Yeah, nothing to see here...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,825
    Pro_Rata said:

    Has Trump done his announcement yet or what

    20 minutes late. No sign on Fox live.
    Perhaps try on Fox dead? 🤔
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,747
    If true, this is just stupid.

    Trump is set to announce that he is moving U.S. Space Command from Colorado to Alabama at the White House on Tuesday,
    @connorobrienNH, @paulmcleary, and me.

    The news was pre-empted by the Pentagon posting a “U.S. Space Command HQ Announcement” on DVIDS.

    https://x.com/JackDetsch/status/1962893248042500486

    A very expensive indeed nothingburger.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,825


    Julia Hartley-Brewer
    @JuliaHB1
    ·
    2h
    The new Green Party leader Zack Polanski always follows The Science - whether it's Net Zero or working as a hypnotherapist telling women they can THINK their boobs bigger. Politics has just got fun again.

    Sensible policies for a better Britain!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,124
    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Graham Linehan
    I was arrested for insulting the trans mob"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/i-was-arrested-for-insulting-the-trans-mob

    He got a Spectator article out of it so why's he complaining?
    Good work by the Govester there. The Spectator secured the biggest story of the day

    That’s why it is the greatest magazine - indeed possibly the greatest thing of any kind, including astral bodies - in the history of the cosmos
    Govey’s definitely got his finger on the edgy satire button.

    https://x.com/chiuauateardrop/status/1877009486885323168?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/sep/02/father-ted-creator-graham-linehan-arrested-over-posts-on-transgender-issues

    Polis statement:

    “The arrest was made by officers from the MPS aviation unit. It is routine for officers policing airports to carry firearms. These were not drawn or used at any point during the arrest.”
    So they didn’t actually try and shoot him. Just arrested him with five cops all with guns at the airport, for some jokey tweets
    Makes it alright then, doesn’t it !
    What did you expect the police to do with their guns? Stash them behind the counter at starbucks? As far as I am aware, all police in the airports are armed.
    Why did they treat him like a suspect terrorist? It’s insane

    All they had to do was email him. Or message him. Ask him to come to a station

    The fact he’s being arrested at all for jokey tweets is crazy, the fact they did it in this aggressive, menacing way is mind boggling. Presumably some police person made this fucking dim decision. I’m gonna guess she or he is in their 50s, wildly over promoted, drenched with Wokeness

    The police are gaining the contempt of the people, not their consent. It’s tragic
    Could this Linehan outrage be a tipping point that launches a movement like with George Floyd in America?

    Many similarities. Both of them suboptimal individuals, both of them treated clumsily by the police.

    People are angry. It just needs the right hashtag.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,650
    Farage is a snakeoil salesman

    So makes sense for the Greens to elect a hypnotherapist.

    Worth a shot...
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,058

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Graham Linehan
    I was arrested for insulting the trans mob"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/i-was-arrested-for-insulting-the-trans-mob

    He got a Spectator article out of it so why's he complaining?
    Good work by the Govester there. The Spectator secured the biggest story of the day

    That’s why it is the greatest magazine - indeed possibly the greatest thing of any kind, including astral bodies - in the history of the cosmos
    Govey’s definitely got his finger on the edgy satire button.

    https://x.com/chiuauateardrop/status/1877009486885323168?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/sep/02/father-ted-creator-graham-linehan-arrested-over-posts-on-transgender-issues

    Polis statement:

    “The arrest was made by officers from the MPS aviation unit. It is routine for officers policing airports to carry firearms. These were not drawn or used at any point during the arrest.”
    So they didn’t actually try and shoot him. Just arrested him with five cops all with guns at the airport, for some jokey tweets
    Makes it alright then, doesn’t it !
    What did you expect the police to do with their guns? Stash them behind the counter at starbucks? As far as I am aware, all police in the airports are armed.
    Well for a start wonder why they were arresting him in the first place. Then work out how many officers would be needed.* Then do something useful with their time.

    *I can’t see a need for more than one, can anyone?
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,125
    Foxy said:

    Pretty bleak conclusion from Rentoul on the Green's decision today in his evening newsletter.

    Basically the party just voted to become a green version of the SWP.

    85% of members voting Polanski is an overwhelming mandate. Is there any other party leader with such backing?
    It's worth repeating. The far left in both Scotland and E/W has managed to take over the Green brand as a way of gaining political influence.
    In Scotland the two most impressive Green politicians - Robin Harper & Andy Wightman - have been purged. One for not being pro-Indy, and the other over trans. Notably nothing to do with actual green issues. No doubt the same process will take place south of the border.
    Militant Tendency rides again!
  • Foxy said:


    Julia Hartley-Brewer
    @JuliaHB1
    ·
    2h
    The new Green Party leader Zack Polanski always follows The Science - whether it's Net Zero or working as a hypnotherapist telling women they can THINK their boobs bigger. Politics has just got fun again.

    Sensible policies for a better Britain!
    After all, the last politician to talk like that was Boris Johnson. Whatever happened to him?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,058
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Just wait for model Y

    @bluememe.bsky.social‬

    People with critical thinking skills may have noticed that the stuff that Elon uses to inflate the value of his companies is always something that doesn't exist, and that his companies do not have any actual ability to deliver. And when the market begins to smell bullshit, he switches to a new con.

    https://bsky.app/profile/bluememe.bsky.social/post/3lxulinybxs2u

    “His companies do not have any actual ability to deliver”

    SpaceX now launches more rockets annually than any nation except the U.S. and China, accounting for nearly half of all global orbital launches and over 70–80% of those outside Russia and China.

    Meanwhile Starlink, SpaceX’s satellite internet constellation, now operates over 7,100 low-Earth orbit satellites (from more than 9,500 launched) to deliver high-speed broadband across 130+ countries, with plans to eventually deploy up to 42,000
    As an aside I observed 8 satellites in a few minutes last night. (Around 9 pm). I assume this is starlink?
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,730
    I think he will emerge from a trap door in the floor like Ozzy Osbourne at Villa Park.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,256
    edited September 2
    Foxy said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Has Trump done his announcement yet or what

    20 minutes late. No sign on Fox live.
    Perhaps try on Fox dead? 🤔
    Another delay until 2:45pm

    This seems a lot of palaver for a space announcement.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,567


    Julia Hartley-Brewer
    @JuliaHB1
    ·
    2h
    The new Green Party leader Zack Polanski always follows The Science - whether it's Net Zero or working as a hypnotherapist telling women they can THINK their boobs bigger. Politics has just got fun again.

    He must have been behind David Davis famous DD campaign in 2005
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,814
    I have returned from Austria. To my newly painted living room. For the first time

    And I can report…

    IT IS AN ABSOLUTE FUCKING TRIUMPH!!

    Jeez I was nervous. Took a big risk. Went bold and dark. It is SUMPTUOUS

    The room feels about 8% smaller and about 800% more glamorous

    *dances in Hicks Blue*
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,114
    edited September 2

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Graham Linehan
    I was arrested for insulting the trans mob"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/i-was-arrested-for-insulting-the-trans-mob

    He got a Spectator article out of it so why's he complaining?
    Good work by the Govester there. The Spectator secured the biggest story of the day

    That’s why it is the greatest magazine - indeed possibly the greatest thing of any kind, including astral bodies - in the history of the cosmos
    Govey’s definitely got his finger on the edgy satire button.

    https://x.com/chiuauateardrop/status/1877009486885323168?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/sep/02/father-ted-creator-graham-linehan-arrested-over-posts-on-transgender-issues

    Polis statement:

    “The arrest was made by officers from the MPS aviation unit. It is routine for officers policing airports to carry firearms. These were not drawn or used at any point during the arrest.”
    So they didn’t actually try and shoot him. Just arrested him with five cops all with guns at the airport, for some jokey tweets
    Makes it alright then, doesn’t it !
    What did you expect the police to do with their guns? Stash them behind the counter at starbucks? As far as I am aware, all police in the airports are armed.
    Well for a start wonder why they were arresting him in the first place. Then work out how many officers would be needed.* Then do something useful with their time.

    *I can’t see a need for more than one, can anyone?
    I presume two is normal for a planned arrest, to provide corrobarative evidence.

    Policing an airport is boring, they probably got a lot of volunteers.There is fuck all to do 99% of the time.

    Airport police are routinely armed. Have you ever been to Stansted? Essex Constabulary seem to particularly like swanning around with H&Ks. I imagine the Met are little different.

    So I imagine what happened was routine for a suspected criminal arriving at an airport.

    Do we know what the tweets were? The Guardian hasn't repeated them, so they obviously feel they were a bit dodgy. In any case, surely it is for a jury to decide whether they were a joke, or an incitement to violence
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,839

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Just wait for model Y

    @bluememe.bsky.social‬

    People with critical thinking skills may have noticed that the stuff that Elon uses to inflate the value of his companies is always something that doesn't exist, and that his companies do not have any actual ability to deliver. And when the market begins to smell bullshit, he switches to a new con.

    https://bsky.app/profile/bluememe.bsky.social/post/3lxulinybxs2u

    “His companies do not have any actual ability to deliver”

    SpaceX now launches more rockets annually than any nation except the U.S. and China, accounting for nearly half of all global orbital launches and over 70–80% of those outside Russia and China.

    Meanwhile Starlink, SpaceX’s satellite internet constellation, now operates over 7,100 low-Earth orbit satellites (from more than 9,500 launched) to deliver high-speed broadband across 130+ countries, with plans to eventually deploy up to 42,000
    As an aside I observed 8 satellites in a few minutes last night. (Around 9 pm). I assume this is starlink?
    It’s an increasing pain in the arse for Earth based astronomy. In 30 years you’ll glance up at the night sky and it won’t be dark; there will be adverts in the sky sponsored by sodding Coca-Cola to help fund satellite constellations.

    But you will be able to watch porn in the middle of the Amazon, over 8G mobile.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,256

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Just wait for model Y

    @bluememe.bsky.social‬

    People with critical thinking skills may have noticed that the stuff that Elon uses to inflate the value of his companies is always something that doesn't exist, and that his companies do not have any actual ability to deliver. And when the market begins to smell bullshit, he switches to a new con.

    https://bsky.app/profile/bluememe.bsky.social/post/3lxulinybxs2u

    “His companies do not have any actual ability to deliver”

    SpaceX now launches more rockets annually than any nation except the U.S. and China, accounting for nearly half of all global orbital launches and over 70–80% of those outside Russia and China.

    Meanwhile Starlink, SpaceX’s satellite internet constellation, now operates over 7,100 low-Earth orbit satellites (from more than 9,500 launched) to deliver high-speed broadband across 130+ countries, with plans to eventually deploy up to 42,000
    As an aside I observed 8 satellites in a few minutes last night. (Around 9 pm). I assume this is starlink?
    The night sky is totally cluttered now. Watching the Perseids was 2 or 3 satellites to one meteor.

    A bit depressing to be honest.

    I await the adverts.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,803
    Leon said:

    I have returned from Austria. To my newly painted living room. For the first time

    And I can report…

    IT IS AN ABSOLUTE FUCKING TRIUMPH!!

    Jeez I was nervous. Took a big risk. Went bold and dark. It is SUMPTUOUS

    The room feels about 8% smaller and about 800% more glamorous

    *dances in Hicks Blue*

    Lulu Lytle nails it again!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,650

    Greens Organise
    @GreensOrganise


    Zack Polanski is the new leader of the Green Party of England & Wales.

    You wanted a radical, leftist Green Party….you’ve got one!
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,495

    Foxy said:

    Pretty bleak conclusion from Rentoul on the Green's decision today in his evening newsletter.

    Basically the party just voted to become a green version of the SWP.

    85% of members voting Polanski is an overwhelming mandate. Is there any other party leader with such backing?
    Turnout rather dents it. The other parties get their membership interested, barely a third of Greens bothered.
    But in raw % its impressive. Or, Ramsey and Chowns are utter gash. Or both.
    The turnout is really poor.

    You get better turnout on a freezing rain windswept November Thursday for a council election in North Nowheres Whippet Town.

    Odd.

    Be really really interesting to see vote pattern based on when joined the party.

    Foxy said:

    Pretty bleak conclusion from Rentoul on the Green's decision today in his evening newsletter.

    Basically the party just voted to become a green version of the SWP.

    85% of members voting Polanski is an overwhelming mandate. Is there any other party leader with such backing?
    Turnout rather dents it. The other parties get their membership interested, barely a third of Greens bothered.
    But in raw % its impressive. Or, Ramsey and Chowns are utter gash. Or both.
    The turnout is really poor.

    You get better turnout on a freezing rain windswept November Thursday for a council election in North Nowheres Whippet Town.

    Odd.

    Be really really interesting to see vote pattern based on when joined the party.
    The Scottish Greens turnout was worse I think.
    … beaten to it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,814

    Leon said:

    I have returned from Austria. To my newly painted living room. For the first time

    And I can report…

    IT IS AN ABSOLUTE FUCKING TRIUMPH!!

    Jeez I was nervous. Took a big risk. Went bold and dark. It is SUMPTUOUS

    The room feels about 8% smaller and about 800% more glamorous

    *dances in Hicks Blue*

    Lulu Lytle nails it again!
    This is possibly even better than the bedroom. It’s like the dark masculine handsome partner of the decadently feminine opium den bordello of a bedroom. This is the ego calling to my anima, down the hallway of memories

    Gone is the last of the IKEA. Gone is the dreary greige and the listless cream

    SWOONS
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,814
    edited September 2
    I’m not even sure the room feels smaller. Painting it dark blue somehow makes it… bigger. You really notice the height of the Georgian ceilings
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,815
    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Graham Linehan
    I was arrested for insulting the trans mob"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/i-was-arrested-for-insulting-the-trans-mob

    He got a Spectator article out of it so why's he complaining?
    Good work by the Govester there. The Spectator secured the biggest story of the day

    That’s why it is the greatest magazine - indeed possibly the greatest thing of any kind, including astral bodies - in the history of the cosmos
    Govey’s definitely got his finger on the edgy satire button.

    https://x.com/chiuauateardrop/status/1877009486885323168?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/sep/02/father-ted-creator-graham-linehan-arrested-over-posts-on-transgender-issues

    Polis statement:

    “The arrest was made by officers from the MPS aviation unit. It is routine for officers policing airports to carry firearms. These were not drawn or used at any point during the arrest.”
    So they didn’t actually try and shoot him. Just arrested him with five cops all with guns at the airport, for some jokey tweets
    Makes it alright then, doesn’t it !
    What did you expect the police to do with their guns? Stash them behind the counter at starbucks? As far as I am aware, all police in the airports are armed.
    Why did they treat him like a suspect terrorist? It’s insane

    All they had to do was email him. Or message him. Ask him to come to a station

    The fact he’s being arrested at all for jokey tweets is crazy, the fact they did it in this aggressive, menacing way is mind boggling. Presumably some police person made this fucking dim decision. I’m gonna guess she or he is in their 50s, wildly over promoted, drenched with Wokeness

    The police are gaining the contempt of the people, not their consent. It’s tragic
    How was he treated as a terrorist? Was he spreadeagled on the floor with guns up his back? I thought the guns were holstered.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,256

    Foxy said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Has Trump done his announcement yet or what

    20 minutes late. No sign on Fox live.
    Perhaps try on Fox dead? 🤔
    Another delay until 2:45pm

    This seems a lot of palaver for a space announcement.
    Now 3pm. Drugs not working?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,825

    Foxy said:


    Julia Hartley-Brewer
    @JuliaHB1
    ·
    2h
    The new Green Party leader Zack Polanski always follows The Science - whether it's Net Zero or working as a hypnotherapist telling women they can THINK their boobs bigger. Politics has just got fun again.

    Sensible policies for a better Britain!
    After all, the last politician to talk like that was Boris Johnson. Whatever happened to him?
    He boobed, and went bust...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,825

    Foxy said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Has Trump done his announcement yet or what

    20 minutes late. No sign on Fox live.
    Perhaps try on Fox dead? 🤔
    Another delay until 2:45pm

    This seems a lot of palaver for a space announcement.
    Now 3pm. Drugs not working?
    Doesn't the Donald usually appear late? Partly out of selfish lack of interest in his supporters, and part to build tension in his adoring stormtroopers?
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,612
    edited September 2

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Just wait for model Y

    @bluememe.bsky.social‬

    People with critical thinking skills may have noticed that the stuff that Elon uses to inflate the value of his companies is always something that doesn't exist, and that his companies do not have any actual ability to deliver. And when the market begins to smell bullshit, he switches to a new con.

    https://bsky.app/profile/bluememe.bsky.social/post/3lxulinybxs2u

    “His companies do not have any actual ability to deliver”

    SpaceX now launches more rockets annually than any nation except the U.S. and China, accounting for nearly half of all global orbital launches and over 70–80% of those outside Russia and China.

    Meanwhile Starlink, SpaceX’s satellite internet constellation, now operates over 7,100 low-Earth orbit satellites (from more than 9,500 launched) to deliver high-speed broadband across 130+ countries, with plans to eventually deploy up to 42,000
    As an aside I observed 8 satellites in a few minutes last night. (Around 9 pm). I assume this is starlink?
    The night sky is totally cluttered now. Watching the Perseids was 2 or 3 satellites to one meteor.

    A bit depressing to be honest.

    I await the adverts.
    The eventual bout of Kessler syndrome will be pretty to watch.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,258
    edited September 2


    Julia Hartley-Brewer
    @JuliaHB1
    ·
    2h
    The new Green Party leader Zack Polanski always follows The Science - whether it's Net Zero or working as a hypnotherapist telling women they can THINK their boobs bigger. Politics has just got fun again.

    Why did he win with such a big majority, ie. with 85% of votes? Elections aren't usually that much of a walkover.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,124

    ...

    Andy_JS said:

    "Boris Johnson calls for Starmer to 'swallow his pride' on Rwanda migrant scheme - 'We had a plan!'
    GB News"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAJZzR6PSq0

    It was a stunt. An appalling stunt to send people to an appalling country run by an appalling man.
    And also at the time an appalling stunt to send people *from* a country run by an appalling man.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,139

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Just wait for model Y

    @bluememe.bsky.social‬

    People with critical thinking skills may have noticed that the stuff that Elon uses to inflate the value of his companies is always something that doesn't exist, and that his companies do not have any actual ability to deliver. And when the market begins to smell bullshit, he switches to a new con.

    https://bsky.app/profile/bluememe.bsky.social/post/3lxulinybxs2u

    “His companies do not have any actual ability to deliver”

    SpaceX now launches more rockets annually than any nation except the U.S. and China, accounting for nearly half of all global orbital launches and over 70–80% of those outside Russia and China.

    Meanwhile Starlink, SpaceX’s satellite internet constellation, now operates over 7,100 low-Earth orbit satellites (from more than 9,500 launched) to deliver high-speed broadband across 130+ countries, with plans to eventually deploy up to 42,000
    As an aside I observed 8 satellites in a few minutes last night. (Around 9 pm). I assume this is starlink?
    The night sky is totally cluttered now. Watching the Perseids was 2 or 3 satellites to one meteor.

    A bit depressing to be honest.

    I await the adverts.
    Think how epic the ablation cascade lightshow will be.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,124
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I have returned from Austria. To my newly painted living room. For the first time

    And I can report…

    IT IS AN ABSOLUTE FUCKING TRIUMPH!!

    Jeez I was nervous. Took a big risk. Went bold and dark. It is SUMPTUOUS

    The room feels about 8% smaller and about 800% more glamorous

    *dances in Hicks Blue*

    Lulu Lytle nails it again!
    This is possibly even better than the bedroom. It’s like the dark masculine handsome partner of the decadently feminine opium den bordello of a bedroom. This is the ego calling to my anima, down the hallway of memories

    Gone is the last of the IKEA. Gone is the dreary greige and the listless cream

    SWOONS
    I'm genuinely delighted for you.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,747
    Foss said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Just wait for model Y

    @bluememe.bsky.social‬

    People with critical thinking skills may have noticed that the stuff that Elon uses to inflate the value of his companies is always something that doesn't exist, and that his companies do not have any actual ability to deliver. And when the market begins to smell bullshit, he switches to a new con.

    https://bsky.app/profile/bluememe.bsky.social/post/3lxulinybxs2u

    “His companies do not have any actual ability to deliver”

    SpaceX now launches more rockets annually than any nation except the U.S. and China, accounting for nearly half of all global orbital launches and over 70–80% of those outside Russia and China.

    Meanwhile Starlink, SpaceX’s satellite internet constellation, now operates over 7,100 low-Earth orbit satellites (from more than 9,500 launched) to deliver high-speed broadband across 130+ countries, with plans to eventually deploy up to 42,000
    As an aside I observed 8 satellites in a few minutes last night. (Around 9 pm). I assume this is starlink?
    The night sky is totally cluttered now. Watching the Perseids was 2 or 3 satellites to one meteor.

    A bit depressing to be honest.

    I await the adverts.
    The eventual bout of Kessler syndrome will be pretty to watch.
    It really won't be.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,484
    Andy_JS said:


    Julia Hartley-Brewer
    @JuliaHB1
    ·
    2h
    The new Green Party leader Zack Polanski always follows The Science - whether it's Net Zero or working as a hypnotherapist telling women they can THINK their boobs bigger. Politics has just got fun again.

    Why did he win with such a big majority, ie. with 85% of votes? Elections aren't usually that much of a walkover.
    I'm not a Green member and haven't really followed the election, but I suspect he was just more interesting than the joint ticket.
    In which case, in terms of getting them more coverage and votes, the members have made the right choice.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,823
    Donny delayed again

    O.K.
    Just a little pinprick.
    There’ll be no more aaaaaaaaah!
    But you may feel a little sick.
    Can you stand up?
    I do believe it’s working, good.
    That’ll keep you going through the show
    Come on it’s time to go.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,139
    Foss said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Just wait for model Y

    @bluememe.bsky.social‬

    People with critical thinking skills may have noticed that the stuff that Elon uses to inflate the value of his companies is always something that doesn't exist, and that his companies do not have any actual ability to deliver. And when the market begins to smell bullshit, he switches to a new con.

    https://bsky.app/profile/bluememe.bsky.social/post/3lxulinybxs2u

    “His companies do not have any actual ability to deliver”

    SpaceX now launches more rockets annually than any nation except the U.S. and China, accounting for nearly half of all global orbital launches and over 70–80% of those outside Russia and China.

    Meanwhile Starlink, SpaceX’s satellite internet constellation, now operates over 7,100 low-Earth orbit satellites (from more than 9,500 launched) to deliver high-speed broadband across 130+ countries, with plans to eventually deploy up to 42,000
    As an aside I observed 8 satellites in a few minutes last night. (Around 9 pm). I assume this is starlink?
    The night sky is totally cluttered now. Watching the Perseids was 2 or 3 satellites to one meteor.

    A bit depressing to be honest.

    I await the adverts.
    The eventual bout of Kessler syndrome will be pretty to watch.
    Dammit, you snuck in there just before me.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,966

    Foxy said:


    Julia Hartley-Brewer
    @JuliaHB1
    ·
    2h
    The new Green Party leader Zack Polanski always follows The Science - whether it's Net Zero or working as a hypnotherapist telling women they can THINK their boobs bigger. Politics has just got fun again.

    Sensible policies for a better Britain!
    After all, the last politician to talk like that was Boris Johnson. Whatever happened to him?
    He’s currently entertaining the guid folk of Edinburgh, an..er..interesting bunch.

    Mystified why he hasn’t got an event in Glasgow.

    https://x.com/scotnational/status/1962938905516191885?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,567
    Andy_JS said:


    Julia Hartley-Brewer
    @JuliaHB1
    ·
    2h
    The new Green Party leader Zack Polanski always follows The Science - whether it's Net Zero or working as a hypnotherapist telling women they can THINK their boobs bigger. Politics has just got fun again.

    Why did he win with such a big majority, ie. with 85% of votes? Elections aren't usually that much of a walkover.
    Because the alternative was Ramsay and Chowns. Ramsay was an eminently forgettable Norwich city councillor 15 years ago and since winning the leadership has achieved precisely nothing. Hes quite a nice bloke but that's about all you can say for him politically. (Imho)
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,907

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Graham Linehan
    I was arrested for insulting the trans mob"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/i-was-arrested-for-insulting-the-trans-mob

    He got a Spectator article out of it so why's he complaining?
    Good work by the Govester there. The Spectator secured the biggest story of the day

    That’s why it is the greatest magazine - indeed possibly the greatest thing of any kind, including astral bodies - in the history of the cosmos
    Govey’s definitely got his finger on the edgy satire button.

    https://x.com/chiuauateardrop/status/1877009486885323168?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/sep/02/father-ted-creator-graham-linehan-arrested-over-posts-on-transgender-issues

    Polis statement:

    “The arrest was made by officers from the MPS aviation unit. It is routine for officers policing airports to carry firearms. These were not drawn or used at any point during the arrest.”
    So they didn’t actually try and shoot him. Just arrested him with five cops all with guns at the airport, for some jokey tweets
    Makes it alright then, doesn’t it !
    What did you expect the police to do with their guns? Stash them behind the counter at starbucks? As far as I am aware, all police in the airports are armed.
    Well for a start wonder why they were arresting him in the first place. Then work out how many officers would be needed.* Then do something useful with their time.

    *I can’t see a need for more than one, can anyone?
    I presume two is normal for a planned arrest, to provide corrobarative evidence.

    Policing an airport is boring, they probably got a lot of volunteers.There is fuck all to do 99% of the time.

    Airport police are routinely armed. Have you ever been to Stansted? Essex Constabulary seem to particularly like swanning around with H&Ks. I imagine the Met are little different.

    So I imagine what happened was routine for a suspected criminal arriving at an airport.

    Do we know what the tweets were? The Guardian hasn't repeated them, so they obviously feel they were a bit dodgy. In any case, surely it is for a jury to decide whether they were a joke, or an incitement to violence
    They're visible on Youtube. Didn't look like any big deal to me but I won't repeat or summarise for obvious reasons.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,814

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Graham Linehan
    I was arrested for insulting the trans mob"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/i-was-arrested-for-insulting-the-trans-mob

    He got a Spectator article out of it so why's he complaining?
    Good work by the Govester there. The Spectator secured the biggest story of the day

    That’s why it is the greatest magazine - indeed possibly the greatest thing of any kind, including astral bodies - in the history of the cosmos
    Govey’s definitely got his finger on the edgy satire button.

    https://x.com/chiuauateardrop/status/1877009486885323168?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/sep/02/father-ted-creator-graham-linehan-arrested-over-posts-on-transgender-issues

    Polis statement:

    “The arrest was made by officers from the MPS aviation unit. It is routine for officers policing airports to carry firearms. These were not drawn or used at any point during the arrest.”
    So they didn’t actually try and shoot him. Just arrested him with five cops all with guns at the airport, for some jokey tweets
    Makes it alright then, doesn’t it !
    What did you expect the police to do with their guns? Stash them behind the counter at starbucks? As far as I am aware, all police in the airports are armed.
    Why did they treat him like a suspect terrorist? It’s insane

    All they had to do was email him. Or message him. Ask him to come to a station

    The fact he’s being arrested at all for jokey tweets is crazy, the fact they did it in this aggressive, menacing way is mind boggling. Presumably some police person made this fucking dim decision. I’m gonna guess she or he is in their 50s, wildly over promoted, drenched with Wokeness

    The police are gaining the contempt of the people, not their consent. It’s tragic
    How was he treated as a terrorist? Was he spreadeagled on the floor with guns up his back? I thought the guns were holstered.
    How can you possibly defend this? It’s ludicrously aggressive policing and it is designed to intimidate and alarm. And it seems it worked - Linehan panicked so hard his BP hit 240 and they had to take him to hospital

    It’s a fucking disgrace and the police twat that signed this off needs to be sacked in the morning

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,823
    He's ALIVE !
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,862

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Graham Linehan
    I was arrested for insulting the trans mob"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/i-was-arrested-for-insulting-the-trans-mob

    He got a Spectator article out of it so why's he complaining?
    Good work by the Govester there. The Spectator secured the biggest story of the day

    That’s why it is the greatest magazine - indeed possibly the greatest thing of any kind, including astral bodies - in the history of the cosmos
    Govey’s definitely got his finger on the edgy satire button.

    https://x.com/chiuauateardrop/status/1877009486885323168?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/sep/02/father-ted-creator-graham-linehan-arrested-over-posts-on-transgender-issues

    Polis statement:

    “The arrest was made by officers from the MPS aviation unit. It is routine for officers policing airports to carry firearms. These were not drawn or used at any point during the arrest.”
    So they didn’t actually try and shoot him. Just arrested him with five cops all with guns at the airport, for some jokey tweets
    Makes it alright then, doesn’t it !
    What did you expect the police to do with their guns? Stash them behind the counter at starbucks? As far as I am aware, all police in the airports are armed.
    Well for a start wonder why they were arresting him in the first place. Then work out how many officers would be needed.* Then do something useful with their time.

    *I can’t see a need for more than one, can anyone?
    I presume two is normal for a planned arrest, to provide corrobarative evidence.

    Policing an airport is boring, they probably got a lot of volunteers.There is fuck all to do 99% of the time.

    Airport police are routinely armed. Have you ever been to Stansted? Essex Constabulary seem to particularly like swanning around with H&Ks. I imagine the Met are little different.

    So I imagine what happened was routine for a suspected criminal arriving at an airport.

    Do we know what the tweets were? The Guardian hasn't repeated them, so they obviously feel they were a bit dodgy. In any case, surely it is for a jury to decide whether they were a joke, or an incitement to violence
    Assuming it hasn’t been edited, I think this X post has screenshots: https://x.com/BillboardChris/status/1962814851006259447/photo/1
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,124
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Has Trump done his announcement yet or what

    20 minutes late. No sign on Fox live.
    Perhaps try on Fox dead? 🤔
    Another delay until 2:45pm

    This seems a lot of palaver for a space announcement.
    Now 3pm. Drugs not working?
    Doesn't the Donald usually appear late? Partly out of selfish lack of interest in his supporters, and part to build tension in his adoring stormtroopers?
    Stones at Altamont. And look what happened. Mick learned his lesson from it. Less hubris from then on.
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