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Weekend at Donnie’s – politicalbetting.com

It’s been almost a week since Trump made a public appearance or spoke to the press, apart from being spotted leaving the White House, allegedly on his way to the golf course. This is very unusual. What’s going on? pic.twitter.com/ZCLHyMe20B

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  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,879
    Yay! Now he's dead he's been given to us in the shire!
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,517
    edited 6:45AM
    2nd FPT:
    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    This from Musky Baby made me laugh:

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1962328379513844150

    So he's now going after women's contraception.

    Hmmm. That's from "Raw Egg Nationalist", which is a "Man's World" type account from the quiver alongside Catturd, is it not (very roughly)?

    One of Elon's feeders.
    Quote from his "Man's World" substack:

    The ruling class in the UK is the first Western ruling class in a hundred years to face the same problem faced by Eastern European Communist regimes in 1989—the extreme dissatisfaction of much of the population, with a large percentage of that population having concluded their dissatisfaction can never be resolved through the parliamentary system, so-called democracy. (The last Western regime to face this problem was the Weimar Republic.) The Communist regimes fell in 1989 because they lacked the will to put down massive spontaneous public protests led almost exclusively by previously-unknown men.

    This had precedent—in the most spectacular example, thirty years before, in 1956 Hungary, the exact same thing happened, but there the regional hegemon, the Soviet Union, stepped in with the required violence, which it refused to do in 1989. Thus this path to regime collapse, as well as what a regime must do to avoid collapse, is well-demonstrated. Does the UK regime lack the necessary will in the face of mass protest, violent or not, as well? We cannot know unless and until there are such protests. But my purpose here is to analyze the current situation and what might happen

    https://mansworldmag.online/on-the-united-kingdom-and-1989-eastern-europe-as-harbinger/
    Blimey.

    The level of ignorance in that post is staggering.
    We can't go too far with conclusions from such a narrow sample, but I think that type of knowledge / assessment feeds into what we hear from Musk, and Maga. Perhaps also feeding into some of the views we get from our own Nationalist movement * - especially at the young or superficial segments.

    * Not here referring to the Scottish or Welsh Nationalist movements :wink: .
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,879
    On topic, I am genuinely entertained by the crisis management team in the White House. The boss - self-styled as superman, the fittest, the most virile man everrrrrrr - has had a serious health incident. Of the exact kind he and his cult berated Biden over.

    What to do? COVER. Lets just have someone tweeting in a style almost wholly dissimilar to the boss - nobody will notice. Lets release some photos of him playing golf, video too. Obviously him. Forget that we released these 3 months ago. And now a nice photo of him smiling with a friend at his resort. No that isn't the Mar a Lago carpet. No we haven't badly photoshopped the mirror to hide that its Mar a Lago.

    How shit is the White House operation?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,932
    It would be convenient if he could keep up this hiding game until he’s due for the state visit.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,471
    You should writing material for Newsom's trolling, a shonky video clip of Vance et al in a scene from the film. Even if he hadn't had a stroke it might cause one.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,517
    Downing Street and the papers can't agree how to spin the latest changes. Either Reeves has successfully placed her man, or the PM is sidelining Number 11 (which rarely ends well).

    Starmer says he will lead Labour at the next election. Never believe anything until it's been officially denied – Jim Hacker. I still expect Starmer to step down early, although I wonder now if Trump's possible retirement will complicate his timing.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,063
    He’s just chilling in Beijing with his mates Vlad, Xi and Kim Jong Un but they’ve banned him from going public as they don’t want the embarrassment of everyone knowing they are besties with him.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,507
    Dopermean said:

    You should writing material for Newsom's trolling, a shonky video clip of Vance et al in a scene from the film. Even if he hadn't had a stroke it might cause one.

    Yay!

    Somebody spotted my subtle reference to a film from the 1980s in the headline.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,879
    POINT OF ORDER

    The White House briefing says "The PRESIDENT makes an announcement"

    It doesn't say who the president is / will be...
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,682
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,517

    On topic, I am genuinely entertained by the crisis management team in the White House. The boss - self-styled as superman, the fittest, the most virile man everrrrrrr - has had a serious health incident. Of the exact kind he and his cult berated Biden over.

    What to do? COVER. Lets just have someone tweeting in a style almost wholly dissimilar to the boss - nobody will notice. Lets release some photos of him playing golf, video too. Obviously him. Forget that we released these 3 months ago. And now a nice photo of him smiling with a friend at his resort. No that isn't the Mar a Lago carpet. No we haven't badly photoshopped the mirror to hide that its Mar a Lago.

    How shit is the White House operation?

    Very shit.

    Someone put some kryptonite in his milkshake.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,791
    Emerging from the White House dead or alive, the same question applies; " what is that vile odor (odour)?"
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,729
    edited 7:00AM
    As I noted, Trump is down to make a Presidential Announcement from the Oval Office at 2pm Eastern (I think 7pm here).

    https://rollcall.com/factbase/trump/topic/calendar/

    Oval Office announcements aren't daily things, but the last such was only August 22nd for the National Guard to DC announcement.

    Nothing else (yet) on the calendar.

    Depending on how that announcement goes, what it is and, indeed, whether it goes ahead, potentially that's when health concerns go from an internet speculation to mainstream, or subside once more.

    Set your watches.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,948

    On topic, I am genuinely entertained by the crisis management team in the White House. The boss - self-styled as superman, the fittest, the most virile man everrrrrrr - has had a serious health incident. Of the exact kind he and his cult berated Biden over.

    What to do? COVER. Lets just have someone tweeting in a style almost wholly dissimilar to the boss - nobody will notice. Lets release some photos of him playing golf, video too. Obviously him. Forget that we released these 3 months ago. And now a nice photo of him smiling with a friend at his resort. No that isn't the Mar a Lago carpet. No we haven't badly photoshopped the mirror to hide that its Mar a Lago.

    How shit is the White House operation?

    Starmer level?

    I think there’s an indication that the Trump operation has always been about barely controlled chaos, and without the orange talisman it begins to implode. It’ll be interesting (probably not in a good way) to see how long the magic lasts when Trump finally carks it.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,653
    viewcode said:
    Those who reflexively dislike Trump will all now be writing opinion pieces on how traditional-looking buildings are horrible, and how modernist glass-and-concrete building is a sign of a wonderful future.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,282
    viewcode said:
    That is the weirdest article ever because Penn Station has recently been renovated, and is now the most attractive station in America.

    It's new central concause is the Moynihan Train Hall: which the city spent about $1.6 billion on, and which opened in January 2021. Complete with a luminous glass roof and grand Beaux‑Arts touches.

    Go there.

    You'll love it.

    It's already beautiful.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,614

    Downing Street and the papers can't agree how to spin the latest changes. Either Reeves has successfully placed her man, or the PM is sidelining Number 11 (which rarely ends well).

    Starmer says he will lead Labour at the next election. Never believe anything until it's been officially denied – Jim Hacker. I still expect Starmer to step down early, although I wonder now if Trump's possible retirement will complicate his timing.

    "PM says they are not going to resign" is the nonnest of non-stories. Has anybody one ever come up with a better answer than "of course not"?

    Maybe TV news should revert to the old ways and essentially take the summer holidays off.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,282
    Sandpit said:

    viewcode said:
    Those who reflexively dislike Trump will all now be writing opinion pieces on how traditional-looking buildings are horrible, and how modernist glass-and-concrete building is a sign of a wonderful future.
    That's a stupid article, because Penn Station was renovated less than five years ago, and is now by far the most attractive station in the US. See:

    See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moynihan_Train_Hall
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,517
    edited 7:06AM
    Does anyone here know the warp and woof of railways in Scotland? Peak Fares have been abolished.

    Is this a good or a bad thing, and is it going to increase or decrease revenue? That will depend on whether Peak trains in Scotland are full or not.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czxp9zl0k90o

    The skeptical parrot on my shoulder says that this is the last gasp SNP administration laying an egg for the following administration to deal with, but that would be too cynical surely?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,948
    Sandpit said:

    viewcode said:
    Those who reflexively dislike Trump will all now be writing opinion pieces on how traditional-looking buildings are horrible, and how modernist glass-and-concrete building is a sign of a wonderful future.
    C’mon, whatever one’s political view of Trump surely no one can be even slightly positive about his impact on aesthetics.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/style/inside-the-secret-world-of-trumps-bling-tastic-tower/
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,790
    The Guardian is parodying itself

    This is their MAIN headline

    “Prominent UK women tell rightwingers: stop linking immigration to sexual abuse”

    Shami Chakrabarti and Diane Abbott are among the purse-lipped matrons whacking every right wing erection with a cold metal spoon

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/02/women-stop-linking-asylum-seekers-sexual-abuse

    When did the Left lose its Cringe Function? Because it has gone very missing. And it’s a vital resource

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,948
    MattW said:

    Does anyone here know the warp and woof of railways in Scotland? Peak Fares have been abolished.

    Is this a good or a bad thing, and is it going to increase or decrease revenue? That will depend on whether Peak trains in Scotland are full or not.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czxp9zl0k90o

    The skeptical parrot on my shoulder says that this is the last gasp SNP administration laying an egg for the following administration to deal with, but that would be too cynical surely?

    What following administration will that be?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,255
    The circumstantial evidence, plus the more direct evidence of the candela bruising on the back of his hand, that he has had a fairly major health incident is certainly growing. Whether it is one he can recover from remains to be seen. As we saw with Biden and, historically, Reagan and FDR, it is remarkably easy to lie to the American people about the health of the President and the West Wing has absolutely no problem in doing so (no conflict of interest there, no sirree). Normally this could go on for quite a while (Biden, passim) but the State visit to the UK has come with awkward timing. If that is postponed this market will look a lot more interesting.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,981
    Trump doesn’t stay out of the limelight unless he has to so clearly something happened .

    Surely though something would have leaked if it had been a major new health scare . So more probable he had treatment for an existing medical condition .

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,948
    Leon said:

    The Guardian is parodying itself

    This is their MAIN headline

    “Prominent UK women tell rightwingers: stop linking immigration to sexual abuse”

    Shami Chakrabarti and Diane Abbott are among the purse-lipped matrons whacking every right wing erection with a cold metal spoon

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/02/women-stop-linking-asylum-seekers-sexual-abuse

    When did the Left lose its Cringe Function? Because it has gone very missing. And it’s a vital resource

    Well known that righties LOVE having their erections whacked with a cold metal spoon.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,517
    edited 7:11AM
    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:
    That is the weirdest article ever because Penn Station has recently been renovated, and is now the most attractive station in America.

    It's new central concause is the Moynihan Train Hall: which the city spent about $1.6 billion on, and which opened in January 2021. Complete with a luminous glass roof and grand Beaux‑Arts touches.

    Go there.

    You'll love it.

    It's already beautiful.
    The piece is by Nicholas Boys Smith, who co-chaired the Building Better, Building Beautiful Commission with Roger Scruton, for Gove.

    He's a New Urbanist, with a strangely single minded, imo indiscriminate, anti-fetish for modernism, and a bit too much of an enthusiasm for Poundbury. Poundbury is OK in a 1990s sort of "let's discover how it used to be" sort of way, but has it's own problems and is a bit too much cardboard cut out Trumpton.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,255
    MattW said:

    Does anyone here know the warp and woof of railways in Scotland? Peak Fares have been abolished.

    Is this a good or a bad thing, and is it going to increase or decrease revenue? That will depend on whether Peak trains in Scotland are full or not.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czxp9zl0k90o

    The skeptical parrot on my shoulder says that this is the last gasp SNP administration laying an egg for the following administration to deal with, but that would be too cynical surely?

    The Scottish government reintroduced peak fares not that long ago only to find that rail use cratered. Now they are making a big song and dance about cancelling the increases they put in place in the hope that traffic picks up again.

    What has been noticeable in recent years is the increase in intercity buses such as Ember is substantially undercutting the cost of trains and has been growing quite rapidly. Scotrail provides a truly shocking service, internet on their trains is very much the exception as indeed is sockets that actually work. I think, rather than causing problems for the next administration, the cut in fares is an uncharacteristic nod to the economic reality.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,742

    On topic, I am genuinely entertained by the crisis management team in the White House. The boss - self-styled as superman, the fittest, the most virile man everrrrrrr - has had a serious health incident. Of the exact kind he and his cult berated Biden over.

    What to do? COVER. Lets just have someone tweeting in a style almost wholly dissimilar to the boss - nobody will notice. Lets release some photos of him playing golf, video too. Obviously him. Forget that we released these 3 months ago. And now a nice photo of him smiling with a friend at his resort. No that isn't the Mar a Lago carpet. No we haven't badly photoshopped the mirror to hide that its Mar a Lago.

    How shit is the White House operation?

    It's of the same standard as the rest of his administration.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,902

    On topic, I am genuinely entertained by the crisis management team in the White House. The boss - self-styled as superman, the fittest, the most virile man everrrrrrr - has had a serious health incident. Of the exact kind he and his cult berated Biden over.

    What to do? COVER. Lets just have someone tweeting in a style almost wholly dissimilar to the boss - nobody will notice. Lets release some photos of him playing golf, video too. Obviously him. Forget that we released these 3 months ago. And now a nice photo of him smiling with a friend at his resort. No that isn't the Mar a Lago carpet. No we haven't badly photoshopped the mirror to hide that its Mar a Lago.

    How shit is the White House operation?

    Without challenging your assessment of the photo (I don't think I've seen it) it amuses me tremendously that photos produced via photoshopping or AI always seem to be so bad that anyone can see through them or so good that they're a threat to civilisation.

    Good morning everyone.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,687
    edited 7:22AM
    MattW said:

    Does anyone here know the warp and woof of railways in Scotland? Peak Fares have been abolished.

    Is this a good or a bad thing, and is it going to increase or decrease revenue? That will depend on whether Peak trains in Scotland are full or not.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czxp9zl0k90o

    The skeptical parrot on my shoulder says that this is the last gasp SNP administration laying an egg for the following administration to deal with, but that would be too cynical surely?

    I'm delighted, will save me a fortune. But...
    1. the trial didn't have a huge effect on passenger numbers, so is in effect a cash transfer to current rail commuters. Many trains are maxed out already so you'd really want prices to go up.
    2. rail commuters tend to be quite high income (only car commuters are richer in Scotland), so it can be framed as a middle class bung
    3. but these do tend to be younger people working in the big cities, so a slightly unusual reduction in costs for my cohort
    4. I would guess it will be offset in the long run in an relative increase in off-peak fares, which isn't great for efficiency - rail only realises all its benefits if you maximise passenger numbers
    I'd just like it if there were more bike spots. 4 on each Edinburgh - Glasgow train is only 16 per hour.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,803
    Apparently all the roads around Walter Reed were closed off yesterday.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,790

    Leon said:

    The Guardian is parodying itself

    This is their MAIN headline

    “Prominent UK women tell rightwingers: stop linking immigration to sexual abuse”

    Shami Chakrabarti and Diane Abbott are among the purse-lipped matrons whacking every right wing erection with a cold metal spoon

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/02/women-stop-linking-asylum-seekers-sexual-abuse

    When did the Left lose its Cringe Function? Because it has gone very missing. And it’s a vital resource

    Well known that righties LOVE having their erections whacked with a cold metal spoon.
    lol. Good line. Might steal

    Because this really is a thing. Lefty Cringelordism


    Look at Starmer’s latest tweet

    “I’m proud of our flag as a patriotic symbol of our nation, like lots of people I’ve proudly got one up at home.

    Using our flag to divide devalues it.”

    Pure, unadulterated CRINGE
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,255
    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:
    That is the weirdest article ever because Penn Station has recently been renovated, and is now the most attractive station in America.

    It's new central concause is the Moynihan Train Hall: which the city spent about $1.6 billion on, and which opened in January 2021. Complete with a luminous glass roof and grand Beaux‑Arts touches.

    Go there.

    You'll love it.

    It's already beautiful.
    The Trump administration is all about delivery. Delivering a project 4 years early is exceptional, even for them. We stand back in awe of this man.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,517
    DavidL said:

    MattW said:

    Does anyone here know the warp and woof of railways in Scotland? Peak Fares have been abolished.

    Is this a good or a bad thing, and is it going to increase or decrease revenue? That will depend on whether Peak trains in Scotland are full or not.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czxp9zl0k90o

    The skeptical parrot on my shoulder says that this is the last gasp SNP administration laying an egg for the following administration to deal with, but that would be too cynical surely?

    The Scottish government reintroduced peak fares not that long ago only to find that rail use cratered. Now they are making a big song and dance about cancelling the increases they put in place in the hope that traffic picks up again.

    What has been noticeable in recent years is the increase in intercity buses such as Ember is substantially undercutting the cost of trains and has been growing quite rapidly. Scotrail provides a truly shocking service, internet on their trains is very much the exception as indeed is sockets that actually work. I think, rather than causing problems for the next administration, the cut in fares is an uncharacteristic nod to the economic reality.
    Thank-you. That is helpful context.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,517
    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    Does anyone here know the warp and woof of railways in Scotland? Peak Fares have been abolished.

    Is this a good or a bad thing, and is it going to increase or decrease revenue? That will depend on whether Peak trains in Scotland are full or not.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czxp9zl0k90o

    The skeptical parrot on my shoulder says that this is the last gasp SNP administration laying an egg for the following administration to deal with, but that would be too cynical surely?

    I'm delighted, will save me a fortune. But...
    1. the trial didn't have a huge effect on passenger numbers, so is in effect a cash transfer to current rail commuters. Many trains are maxed out already so you'd really want prices to go up.
    2. rail commuters tend to be quite high income (only car commuters are richer in Scotland), so it can be framed as a middle class bung
    3. but these do tend to be younger people working in the big cities, so a slightly unusual reduction in costs for my cohort
    4. I would guess it will be offset in the long run in an relative increase in off-peak fares, which isn't great for efficiency - rail only realises all its benefits if you maximise passenger numbers
    I'd just like it if there were more bike spots. 4 on each Edinburgh - Glasgow train is only 16 per hour.
    Also helpful context. Thanks.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,803
    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:
    That is the weirdest article ever because Penn Station has recently been renovated, and is now the most attractive station in America.

    It's new central concause is the Moynihan Train Hall: which the city spent about $1.6 billion on, and which opened in January 2021. Complete with a luminous glass roof and grand Beaux‑Arts touches.

    Go there.

    You'll love it.

    It's already beautiful.
    The Trump administration is all about delivery. Delivering a project 4 years early is exceptional, even for them. We stand back in awe of this man.
    Apparently the National Guard deployment in DC is exactly 29 days.

    Why 29 you ask?

    Cos at 30 their benefits kick in.

    DementiaDon, cheap to his last breath...
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,742
    edited 7:30AM
    Leon said:

    The Guardian is parodying itself

    This is their MAIN headline

    “Prominent UK women tell rightwingers: stop linking immigration to sexual abuse”

    Shami Chakrabarti and Diane Abbott are among the purse-lipped matrons whacking every right wing erection with a cold metal spoon

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/02/women-stop-linking-asylum-seekers-sexual-abuse

    When did the Left lose its Cringe Function? Because it has gone very missing. And it’s a vital resource

    The probability that a male immigrant or assylum seeker has been or is involved in violence or sexual misconduct against a woman would appear to be small fraction of a per cent, and there isn't evidence that it is significantly greater than for existing UK male residents of the same ages. Whereas the probability of someone elected as a Reform MP of having been involved in violence or sexual misconduct against a woman would appear to be at least 20%....
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,791
    Scott_xP said:

    Apparently all the roads around Walter Reed were closed off yesterday.

    It is remarkable that a draft dodger sees out his days in the finest military hospital in the USA.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,981
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The Guardian is parodying itself

    This is their MAIN headline

    “Prominent UK women tell rightwingers: stop linking immigration to sexual abuse”

    Shami Chakrabarti and Diane Abbott are among the purse-lipped matrons whacking every right wing erection with a cold metal spoon

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/02/women-stop-linking-asylum-seekers-sexual-abuse

    When did the Left lose its Cringe Function? Because it has gone very missing. And it’s a vital resource

    Well known that righties LOVE having their erections whacked with a cold metal spoon.
    lol. Good line. Might steal

    Because this really is a thing. Lefty Cringelordism


    Look at Starmer’s latest tweet

    “I’m proud of our flag as a patriotic symbol of our nation, like lots of people I’ve proudly got one up at home.

    Using our flag to divide devalues it.”

    Pure, unadulterated CRINGE
    Yes that was nauseating. The next journalist who asks about flags should be fired !
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,876
    Starmer does provide entertainment.

    "Like many Britons, I too enjoy food."
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,876
    F1: one thing I didn't notice until post-recording is that Albon's now tied on points with Antonelli: 64 each.

    Hadjar and Hulkenberg are tied on 37 each. Hulkenberg has still not reached Q3 this year.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,790
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    The Guardian is parodying itself

    This is their MAIN headline

    “Prominent UK women tell rightwingers: stop linking immigration to sexual abuse”

    Shami Chakrabarti and Diane Abbott are among the purse-lipped matrons whacking every right wing erection with a cold metal spoon

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/02/women-stop-linking-asylum-seekers-sexual-abuse

    When did the Left lose its Cringe Function? Because it has gone very missing. And it’s a vital resource

    The probability that a male immigrant or assylum seeker has been or is involved in violence or sexual misconduct against a woman would appear to be small fraction of a per cent, and there isn't evidence that it is significantly greater than for existing UK male residents of the same ages. Whereas the probability of someone elected as a Reform MP of being involved in violence or sexual misconduct against a woman would appear to be at least 20%....
    Given that we’re literally not allowed to present any contrary evidence on this matter, I shall refrain from the debate and go back to my original point

    The cringe thing. I also saw this on Bluesky

    “I created a list to record prominent posters here who are still very active on X. It's not complete and I'll add to it over time. People have their reasons, but also it's worth knowing who is and who is not contributing to the survival there and the lack of growth here. “

    He’s worried about Bluesky dying so he’s made a deeply sinister and cringeworthy list of suspicious people still using X, so that they can be bullied into moving to Bluesky

    If his Cringe Module was still operational, he would not have written that ridiculous comment

    https://bsky.app/profile/t0nyyates.bsky.social/post/3lxptuxnjk22o

  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,815
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The Guardian is parodying itself

    This is their MAIN headline

    “Prominent UK women tell rightwingers: stop linking immigration to sexual abuse”

    Shami Chakrabarti and Diane Abbott are among the purse-lipped matrons whacking every right wing erection with a cold metal spoon

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/02/women-stop-linking-asylum-seekers-sexual-abuse

    When did the Left lose its Cringe Function? Because it has gone very missing. And it’s a vital resource

    Well known that righties LOVE having their erections whacked with a cold metal spoon.
    lol. Good line. Might steal

    Because this really is a thing. Lefty Cringelordism


    Look at Starmer’s latest tweet

    “I’m proud of our flag as a patriotic symbol of our nation, like lots of people I’ve proudly got one up at home.

    Using our flag to divide devalues it.”

    Pure, unadulterated CRINGE
    Paid the fine yet?...

    :smile:
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,948
    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The Guardian is parodying itself

    This is their MAIN headline

    “Prominent UK women tell rightwingers: stop linking immigration to sexual abuse”

    Shami Chakrabarti and Diane Abbott are among the purse-lipped matrons whacking every right wing erection with a cold metal spoon

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/02/women-stop-linking-asylum-seekers-sexual-abuse

    When did the Left lose its Cringe Function? Because it has gone very missing. And it’s a vital resource

    Well known that righties LOVE having their erections whacked with a cold metal spoon.
    lol. Good line. Might steal

    Because this really is a thing. Lefty Cringelordism


    Look at Starmer’s latest tweet

    “I’m proud of our flag as a patriotic symbol of our nation, like lots of people I’ve proudly got one up at home.

    Using our flag to divide devalues it.”

    Pure, unadulterated CRINGE
    Yes that was nauseating. The next journalist who asks about flags should be fired !
    Why the hell can’t Starmer and other vaguely left of centre pols give a sensible answer along the lines of ‘I love my country and while I’m happy to see people flying the flag(s), I prefer to show my patriotism in other ways’. The guff above just supports the notion that Labour is yet again running scared of flag shagger in chief Farage.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,742
    edited 7:37AM
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    The Guardian is parodying itself

    This is their MAIN headline

    “Prominent UK women tell rightwingers: stop linking immigration to sexual abuse”

    Shami Chakrabarti and Diane Abbott are among the purse-lipped matrons whacking every right wing erection with a cold metal spoon

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/02/women-stop-linking-asylum-seekers-sexual-abuse

    When did the Left lose its Cringe Function? Because it has gone very missing. And it’s a vital resource

    The probability that a male immigrant or assylum seeker has been or is involved in violence or sexual misconduct against a woman would appear to be small fraction of a per cent, and there isn't evidence that it is significantly greater than for existing UK male residents of the same ages. Whereas the probability of someone elected as a Reform MP of being involved in violence or sexual misconduct against a woman would appear to be at least 20%....
    Given that we’re literally not allowed to present any contrary evidence on this matter, I shall refrain from the debate and go back to my original point


    I didn't expect you to be up to taking on the statistics, as we know that maths is one of your many weak spots.

    But surely you see the nonsense of trying to stigmatise a whole group of people based on the behaviour of a tiny, tiny, minority? The principle is precisely the same when there are just five of them, and by your logic because one of the elected Reform MPs has previously been convicted of assault against a woman, we are entitled to similarly condemn the lot of them?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,653
    Scott_xP said:

    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:
    That is the weirdest article ever because Penn Station has recently been renovated, and is now the most attractive station in America.

    It's new central concause is the Moynihan Train Hall: which the city spent about $1.6 billion on, and which opened in January 2021. Complete with a luminous glass roof and grand Beaux‑Arts touches.

    Go there.

    You'll love it.

    It's already beautiful.
    The Trump administration is all about delivery. Delivering a project 4 years early is exceptional, even for them. We stand back in awe of this man.
    Apparently the National Guard deployment in DC is exactly 29 days.

    Why 29 you ask?

    Cos at 30 their benefits kick in.

    DementiaDon, cheap to his last breath...
    Nothing to do with 30 days being the maximum deployment the President can authorise without Congressional approval then?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,063

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The Guardian is parodying itself

    This is their MAIN headline

    “Prominent UK women tell rightwingers: stop linking immigration to sexual abuse”

    Shami Chakrabarti and Diane Abbott are among the purse-lipped matrons whacking every right wing erection with a cold metal spoon

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/02/women-stop-linking-asylum-seekers-sexual-abuse

    When did the Left lose its Cringe Function? Because it has gone very missing. And it’s a vital resource

    Well known that righties LOVE having their erections whacked with a cold metal spoon.
    lol. Good line. Might steal

    Because this really is a thing. Lefty Cringelordism


    Look at Starmer’s latest tweet

    “I’m proud of our flag as a patriotic symbol of our nation, like lots of people I’ve proudly got one up at home.

    Using our flag to divide devalues it.”

    Pure, unadulterated CRINGE
    Yes that was nauseating. The next journalist who asks about flags should be fired !
    Why the hell can’t Starmer and other vaguely left of centre pols give a sensible answer along the lines of ‘I love my country and while I’m happy to see people flying the flag(s), I prefer to show my patriotism in other ways’. The guff above just supports the notion that Labour is yet again running scared of flag shagger in chief Farage.
    Not just left of centre pols, every politician should give short shrift to these moronic journalist questions.

    “Prime Minister, do you know the price of a pint of milk.”

    “No idea, did you before you checked this morning, I’m glad you used your one question for something so important to the country.”

    “prime minister, do you like the English flag?”

    “Of course I do, it’s a symbol of our country and I’m happy we are free enough for people to fly them if they want to, would you like now to ask about our plan to stave off a debt crisis?”

    I think the vast majority of the population would rather this than inane clearly BS answers and after the initial screeching from the media that they can’t control the narrative things would be much better.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,790
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    The Guardian is parodying itself

    This is their MAIN headline

    “Prominent UK women tell rightwingers: stop linking immigration to sexual abuse”

    Shami Chakrabarti and Diane Abbott are among the purse-lipped matrons whacking every right wing erection with a cold metal spoon

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/02/women-stop-linking-asylum-seekers-sexual-abuse

    When did the Left lose its Cringe Function? Because it has gone very missing. And it’s a vital resource

    The probability that a male immigrant or assylum seeker has been or is involved in violence or sexual misconduct against a woman would appear to be small fraction of a per cent, and there isn't evidence that it is significantly greater than for existing UK male residents of the same ages. Whereas the probability of someone elected as a Reform MP of being involved in violence or sexual misconduct against a woman would appear to be at least 20%....
    Given that we’re literally not allowed to present any contrary evidence on this matter, I shall refrain from the debate and go back to my original point


    I didn't expect you to be up to taking on the statistics, as we know that maths is one of your many weak spots.

    But surely you see the nonsense of trying to stigmatise a whole group of people based on the behaviour of a tiny, tiny, minority? The principle is precisely the same when there are just five of them, and by your logic because one of the elected Reform MPs has previously been convicted of assault against a woman, we are entitled to similarly condemn the lot of them?
    I told you I’m not even going to engage in this debate, for reasons adduced
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,764
    Donald Trump has replaced Warren Harding as the answer to the question "who is the worst President in American History?"

    The parallels of incompetence, corruption and the spectacular policy failures that will seriously weaken the US for years to come are notable, if not exact. Neither is JD Vance exactly "Silent Cal" - more Spiro Agnew really.

    Nevertheless, a century later the United States finds itself once again being challenged by crises at home and overseas. The failure to understand the nature of the Putin regime is a stunning disaster and the consequences could lead to a similar collapse in the global order that began 100 years ago when the US walked away from the League of Nations.

    Harding too was regarded as a second rate figure and although his corruption was not obvious in his lifetime, the scale of the scandals that came out after his death were as shocking in the 1920s as the naked grifting of trump in the 2020s.

    One other thing of course is that Harding died in office in the second year of his term.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,791

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The Guardian is parodying itself

    This is their MAIN headline

    “Prominent UK women tell rightwingers: stop linking immigration to sexual abuse”

    Shami Chakrabarti and Diane Abbott are among the purse-lipped matrons whacking every right wing erection with a cold metal spoon

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/02/women-stop-linking-asylum-seekers-sexual-abuse

    When did the Left lose its Cringe Function? Because it has gone very missing. And it’s a vital resource

    Well known that righties LOVE having their erections whacked with a cold metal spoon.
    lol. Good line. Might steal

    Because this really is a thing. Lefty Cringelordism


    Look at Starmer’s latest tweet

    “I’m proud of our flag as a patriotic symbol of our nation, like lots of people I’ve proudly got one up at home.

    Using our flag to divide devalues it.”

    Pure, unadulterated CRINGE
    Yes that was nauseating. The next journalist who asks about flags should be fired !
    Why the hell can’t Starmer and other vaguely left of centre pols give a sensible answer along the lines of ‘I love my country and while I’m happy to see people flying the flag(s), I prefer to show my patriotism in other ways’. The guff above just supports the notion that Labour is yet again running scared of flag shagger in chief Farage.
    Or "demonstrating patriotism is not exclusively about flag flying, it is about promoting the security of the United Kingdom against rogue states like Russia. British Parliamentarians who furtively fly the flag of Putin's Russia by failing to call out Putin's aggression against Ukraine and the wider European Continent are not patriots".
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,803
    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:
    That is the weirdest article ever because Penn Station has recently been renovated, and is now the most attractive station in America.

    It's new central concause is the Moynihan Train Hall: which the city spent about $1.6 billion on, and which opened in January 2021. Complete with a luminous glass roof and grand Beaux‑Arts touches.

    Go there.

    You'll love it.

    It's already beautiful.
    The Trump administration is all about delivery. Delivering a project 4 years early is exceptional, even for them. We stand back in awe of this man.
    Apparently the National Guard deployment in DC is exactly 29 days.

    Why 29 you ask?

    Cos at 30 their benefits kick in.

    DementiaDon, cheap to his last breath...
    Nothing to do with 30 days being the maximum deployment the President can authorise without Congressional approval then?
    Add it to the growing list of things he can't do without Congressional approval that he has done this year
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,735
    What were they chucking out of the White House window ?

    Perhaps the constitution.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,820

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The Guardian is parodying itself

    This is their MAIN headline

    “Prominent UK women tell rightwingers: stop linking immigration to sexual abuse”

    Shami Chakrabarti and Diane Abbott are among the purse-lipped matrons whacking every right wing erection with a cold metal spoon

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/02/women-stop-linking-asylum-seekers-sexual-abuse

    When did the Left lose its Cringe Function? Because it has gone very missing. And it’s a vital resource

    Well known that righties LOVE having their erections whacked with a cold metal spoon.
    lol. Good line. Might steal

    Because this really is a thing. Lefty Cringelordism


    Look at Starmer’s latest tweet

    “I’m proud of our flag as a patriotic symbol of our nation, like lots of people I’ve proudly got one up at home.

    Using our flag to divide devalues it.”

    Pure, unadulterated CRINGE
    Yes that was nauseating. The next journalist who asks about flags should be fired !
    Why the hell can’t Starmer and other vaguely left of centre pols give a sensible answer along the lines of ‘I love my country and while I’m happy to see people flying the flag(s), I prefer to show my patriotism in other ways’. The guff above just supports the notion that Labour is yet again running scared of flag shagger in chief Farage.
    Because Starmer, DOESN'T prefer to show his patriotism in other ways. In a Gordon Brown-style dog whistle, he appears as often as possible in staged photo opportunities with the flag behind him. He's guiltier than any other mainstream politician I can think of, of American-style obsessing over that piece of cloth.

    His flag obsession is obviously a clunky and failing attempt to win back some Reform voters as he and his party govern from the Guardianista left, but I don't think it will make up for his lack of principles, vision or political judgement.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,790

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The Guardian is parodying itself

    This is their MAIN headline

    “Prominent UK women tell rightwingers: stop linking immigration to sexual abuse”

    Shami Chakrabarti and Diane Abbott are among the purse-lipped matrons whacking every right wing erection with a cold metal spoon

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/02/women-stop-linking-asylum-seekers-sexual-abuse

    When did the Left lose its Cringe Function? Because it has gone very missing. And it’s a vital resource

    Well known that righties LOVE having their erections whacked with a cold metal spoon.
    lol. Good line. Might steal

    Because this really is a thing. Lefty Cringelordism


    Look at Starmer’s latest tweet

    “I’m proud of our flag as a patriotic symbol of our nation, like lots of people I’ve proudly got one up at home.

    Using our flag to divide devalues it.”

    Pure, unadulterated CRINGE
    Yes that was nauseating. The next journalist who asks about flags should be fired !
    Why the hell can’t Starmer and other vaguely left of centre pols give a sensible answer along the lines of ‘I love my country and while I’m happy to see people flying the flag(s), I prefer to show my patriotism in other ways’. The guff above just supports the notion that Labour is yet again running scared of flag shagger in chief Farage.
    Indeed

    Not only that, the tweet is so badly written. It uses the word “proud” twice in one sentence. The punctuation is weird. I genuinely suspect his social media team dislike him and are doing this to undermine him. No one could write tweets this bad by mistake
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,742
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    The Guardian is parodying itself

    This is their MAIN headline

    “Prominent UK women tell rightwingers: stop linking immigration to sexual abuse”

    Shami Chakrabarti and Diane Abbott are among the purse-lipped matrons whacking every right wing erection with a cold metal spoon

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/02/women-stop-linking-asylum-seekers-sexual-abuse

    When did the Left lose its Cringe Function? Because it has gone very missing. And it’s a vital resource

    The probability that a male immigrant or assylum seeker has been or is involved in violence or sexual misconduct against a woman would appear to be small fraction of a per cent, and there isn't evidence that it is significantly greater than for existing UK male residents of the same ages. Whereas the probability of someone elected as a Reform MP of being involved in violence or sexual misconduct against a woman would appear to be at least 20%....
    Given that we’re literally not allowed to present any contrary evidence on this matter, I shall refrain from the debate and go back to my original point


    I didn't expect you to be up to taking on the statistics, as we know that maths is one of your many weak spots.

    But surely you see the nonsense of trying to stigmatise a whole group of people based on the behaviour of a tiny, tiny, minority? The principle is precisely the same when there are just five of them, and by your logic because one of the elected Reform MPs has previously been convicted of assault against a woman, we are entitled to similarly condemn the lot of them?
    I told you I’m not even going to engage in this debate, for reasons adduced
    So your referring to the Guardian coverage of something you're not allowed to talk about, is your way of getting around the restriction placed upon you by the mods of not talking about it, by talking about it by implication?

    You'd do better to avoid commenting on press coverage of subjects you're not allowed to talk about.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,879
    MattW said:

    Does anyone here know the warp and woof of railways in Scotland? Peak Fares have been abolished.

    Is this a good or a bad thing, and is it going to increase or decrease revenue? That will depend on whether Peak trains in Scotland are full or not.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czxp9zl0k90o

    The skeptical parrot on my shoulder says that this is the last gasp SNP administration laying an egg for the following administration to deal with, but that would be too cynical surely?

    Has to be a good thing, they are trying to get more people to use trains rather than cars , what can be bad about it. Has been talked about since they nationalised it, had a pilot where I think it did cost them money but have implemented it.
    Do you think London subsidising bus fares is laying an egg for next mayor
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,803
    Nigelb said:

    What were they chucking out of the White House window ?

    Perhaps the constitution.

    Whatever it was had definitely been soiled
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,305
    TimS said:

    It would be convenient if he could keep up this hiding game until he’s due for the state visit.

    Yes - all will become clear about Trump's health by 17th September.
    He can't send a double. He'll be expected to make a speech at the state banquet.
    Two weeks at most to wait.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,164
    edited 7:53AM
    MattW said:

    Does anyone here know the warp and woof of railways in Scotland? Peak Fares have been abolished.

    Is this a good or a bad thing, and is it going to increase or decrease revenue? That will depend on whether Peak trains in Scotland are full or not.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czxp9zl0k90o

    The skeptical parrot on my shoulder says that this is the last gasp SNP administration laying an egg for the following administration to deal with, but that would be too cynical surely?

    No, it's been a thing under debate for for quite some time, to simplify the chaotic confusion of rail fares, and not just within Scotland. LNER (prop: "English", for railway purposes, Government) have been trying out something of the sort (though they took a levellign up approach).

    Edit: apparently easier in Scotland because almost all the trains and track are in unified system, unlike you know where.

    I'm not sure what other countries do?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,614
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    The Guardian is parodying itself

    This is their MAIN headline

    “Prominent UK women tell rightwingers: stop linking immigration to sexual abuse”

    Shami Chakrabarti and Diane Abbott are among the purse-lipped matrons whacking every right wing erection with a cold metal spoon

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/02/women-stop-linking-asylum-seekers-sexual-abuse

    When did the Left lose its Cringe Function? Because it has gone very missing. And it’s a vital resource

    The probability that a male immigrant or assylum seeker has been or is involved in violence or sexual misconduct against a woman would appear to be small fraction of a per cent, and there isn't evidence that it is significantly greater than for existing UK male residents of the same ages. Whereas the probability of someone elected as a Reform MP of having been involved in violence or sexual misconduct against a woman would appear to be at least 20%....
    Or the 2024 protesters;

    In Bristol, where there were 60 arrests, more than two-thirds of those arrested had been the subject of a previous domestic abuse report.

    In Hartlepool and Middlesbrough, Cleveland police reported there had been 107 arrests, 44 of whom had been subject to a prior domestic abuse report.

    In Rotherham, where rioters set fire to an asylum hotel, 75 people were arrested, 35 of whom had been reported for domestic abuse, South Yorkshire police said.


    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jul/26/two-in-five-arrested-for-last-summers-uk-riots-had-been-reported-for-domestic-abuse

    There's a fair chance that, whilst there are hideous wrong'uns in all walks of life, women and children are more at risk from the protestors than the protestees.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,110
    Barnesian said:

    TimS said:

    It would be convenient if he could keep up this hiding game until he’s due for the state visit.

    Yes - all will become clear about Trump's health by 17th September.
    He can't send a double. He'll be expected to make a speech at the state banquet.
    Two weeks at most to wait.
    I think he is supposed to be in Paris on Thursday
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,742
    Meanwhile in other semi-political news:

    A former Tory MP who quit the Commons two years ago has reportedly been found dead at the age of 59. David Warburton, the ex-MP for Somerset and Frome, was pronounced dead last week after an ambulance crew attended his Chelsea flat. His death is being treated as unexpected but not suspicious.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,653
    boulay said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The Guardian is parodying itself

    This is their MAIN headline

    “Prominent UK women tell rightwingers: stop linking immigration to sexual abuse”

    Shami Chakrabarti and Diane Abbott are among the purse-lipped matrons whacking every right wing erection with a cold metal spoon

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/02/women-stop-linking-asylum-seekers-sexual-abuse

    When did the Left lose its Cringe Function? Because it has gone very missing. And it’s a vital resource

    Well known that righties LOVE having their erections whacked with a cold metal spoon.
    lol. Good line. Might steal

    Because this really is a thing. Lefty Cringelordism


    Look at Starmer’s latest tweet

    “I’m proud of our flag as a patriotic symbol of our nation, like lots of people I’ve proudly got one up at home.

    Using our flag to divide devalues it.”

    Pure, unadulterated CRINGE
    Yes that was nauseating. The next journalist who asks about flags should be fired !
    Why the hell can’t Starmer and other vaguely left of centre pols give a sensible answer along the lines of ‘I love my country and while I’m happy to see people flying the flag(s), I prefer to show my patriotism in other ways’. The guff above just supports the notion that Labour is yet again running scared of flag shagger in chief Farage.
    Not just left of centre pols, every politician should give short shrift to these moronic journalist questions.

    “Prime Minister, do you know the price of a pint of milk.”

    “No idea, did you before you checked this morning, I’m glad you used your one question for something so important to the country.”

    “prime minister, do you like the English flag?”

    “Of course I do, it’s a symbol of our country and I’m happy we are free enough for people to fly them if they want to, would you like now to ask about our plan to stave off a debt crisis?”

    I think the vast majority of the population would rather this than inane clearly BS answers and after the initial screeching from the media that they can’t control the narrative things would be much better.

    It was said that Dave Cameron used to get a weekly briefing sheet on the prices (and change in prices) of bread, milk, petrol, anything that had been in the news, and other household staples mentioned by hacks in recent months.

    It’s an idiot media problem as much as it’s an idiot politician problem, although Starmer has to tread more carefully than most as so many of his voters clearly do dislike the flying of British and English flags, and would happily see them replaced with Pride and Palestine flags.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,790
    Sir Keir Starmer: Cringe Lord of the Treasury
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,110
    edited 7:52AM
    malcolmg said:

    MattW said:

    Does anyone here know the warp and woof of railways in Scotland? Peak Fares have been abolished.

    Is this a good or a bad thing, and is it going to increase or decrease revenue? That will depend on whether Peak trains in Scotland are full or not.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czxp9zl0k90o

    The skeptical parrot on my shoulder says that this is the last gasp SNP administration laying an egg for the following administration to deal with, but that would be too cynical surely?

    Has to be a good thing, they are trying to get more people to use trains rather than cars , what can be bad about it. Has been talked about since they nationalised it, had a pilot where I think it did cost them money but have implemented it.
    Do you think London subsidising bus fares is laying an egg for next mayor
    Free travel for the over 60s in London is very popular, and unlike most places, a large proportion of the population use it, so you are not just pissung off the majority of people who are obsessed with their cars. So I think they will keep it. Bus fares are £1.75 flat rate I think.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,361

    Starmer does provide entertainment.

    "Like many Britons, I too enjoy food."

    This is pure John Major in his prime, talking about, IIRC, peas.

    Starmer is getting there but is not the finished article. Major always gave the impression that he was just slightly one of us and on our side and had accidentally ended up in charge of the country, meeting important despots and declaring war.

    Starmer's current form of banality is an act. Major's wasn't, as his brother's great comic work 'Major Major' accidentally discloses.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,687
    malcolmg said:

    MattW said:

    Does anyone here know the warp and woof of railways in Scotland? Peak Fares have been abolished.

    Is this a good or a bad thing, and is it going to increase or decrease revenue? That will depend on whether Peak trains in Scotland are full or not.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czxp9zl0k90o

    The skeptical parrot on my shoulder says that this is the last gasp SNP administration laying an egg for the following administration to deal with, but that would be too cynical surely?

    Has to be a good thing, they are trying to get more people to use trains rather than cars , what can be bad about it. Has been talked about since they nationalised it, had a pilot where I think it did cost them money but have implemented it.
    Do you think London subsidising bus fares is laying an egg for next mayor
    I entirely agree with that sentiment but my view is always that investing in infrastructure (stations, lines, trains) will get more people out of their cars than cheaper tickets, particularly when the rail network is often at capacity (particularly Waverley).
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,791
    edited 7:55AM
    Cicero said:

    Donald Trump has replaced Warren Harding as the answer to the question "who is the worst President in American History?"

    The parallels of incompetence, corruption and the spectacular policy failures that will seriously weaken the US for years to come are notable, if not exact. Neither is JD Vance exactly "Silent Cal" - more Spiro Agnew really.

    Nevertheless, a century later the United States finds itself once again being challenged by crises at home and overseas. The failure to understand the nature of the Putin regime is a stunning disaster and the consequences could lead to a similar collapse in the global order that began 100 years ago when the US walked away from the League of Nations.

    Harding too was regarded as a second rate figure and although his corruption was not obvious in his lifetime, the scale of the scandals that came out after his death were as shocking in the 1920s as the naked grifting of trump in the 2020s.

    One other thing of course is that Harding died in office in the second year of his term.

    Warren Harding, the arguably worst President in US history died in the second year of his first term?

    Another, arguably worst President in US history dying in the first year of his second term has a certain symmetry.
  • AnthonyTAnthonyT Posts: 156
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    The Guardian is parodying itself

    This is their MAIN headline

    “Prominent UK women tell rightwingers: stop linking immigration to sexual abuse”

    Shami Chakrabarti and Diane Abbott are among the purse-lipped matrons whacking every right wing erection with a cold metal spoon

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/02/women-stop-linking-asylum-seekers-sexual-abuse

    When did the Left lose its Cringe Function? Because it has gone very missing. And it’s a vital resource

    The probability that a male immigrant or assylum seeker has been or is involved in violence or sexual misconduct against a woman would appear to be small fraction of a per cent, and there isn't evidence that it is significantly greater than for existing UK male residents of the same ages. Whereas the probability of someone elected as a Reform MP of having been involved in violence or sexual misconduct against a woman would appear to be at least 20%....
    We don't actually know what the probability is for asylum seekers because, without knowing their name and history and doing the necessary detailed due diligence, we have no idea whether they've committed any crimes, what types, what allegations there have been etc. We have not done that due diligence. We are not even in a position to do it. We do know that young men are the group which is most likely to commit sexual crimes against women and that 99% of all such crimes are committed by men of all ages. We can certainly extrapolate from the evidence we have about men already living in our country, whether citizens or not, and the number of such crimes against women to be able to say that the risk from those arriving on our shores is likely to be at least the same as it is for other men.

    It may well be worse because sexual violence against women is even greater in some countries than it is here. There is plenty of evidence about that.

    What we cannot say is that it is only a tiny minority because it is not a tiny minority for men generally. Nor is it a tiny minority of women who suffer these crimes.

    It goes without saying that women here should not have to face this risk at all, whether from men here or strangers arriving here without permission. And it should also be part of public policy on this issue to take this into account when deciding on whether such migration should be permitted. Currently public policy seems to be that women should have to put up with this "perceived nuisance", regardless of who commits it.

  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,517
    malcolmg said:

    MattW said:

    Does anyone here know the warp and woof of railways in Scotland? Peak Fares have been abolished.

    Is this a good or a bad thing, and is it going to increase or decrease revenue? That will depend on whether Peak trains in Scotland are full or not.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czxp9zl0k90o

    The skeptical parrot on my shoulder says that this is the last gasp SNP administration laying an egg for the following administration to deal with, but that would be too cynical surely?

    Has to be a good thing, they are trying to get more people to use trains rather than cars , what can be bad about it. Has been talked about since they nationalised it, had a pilot where I think it did cost them money but have implemented it.
    Do you think London subsidising bus fares is laying an egg for next mayor
    If they are at capacity in Peak Hours, it would be a bad move.

    But several have posted on this.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,735
    Barnesian said:

    TimS said:

    It would be convenient if he could keep up this hiding game until he’s due for the state visit.

    Yes - all will become clear about Trump's health by 17th September.
    He can't send a double. He'll be expected to make a speech at the state banquet.
    Two weeks at most to wait.
    We all know what Trump does with 2 week deadlines.

    I fully expect the US to have its Andropov/Chernenko moment.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,790
    algarkirk said:

    Starmer does provide entertainment.

    "Like many Britons, I too enjoy food."

    This is pure John Major in his prime, talking about, IIRC, peas.

    Starmer is getting there but is not the finished article. Major always gave the impression that he was just slightly one of us and on our side and had accidentally ended up in charge of the country, meeting important despots and declaring war.

    Starmer's current form of banality is an act. Major's wasn't, as his brother's great comic work 'Major Major' accidentally discloses.
    Starmer’s banality is not an act. Or if it is it’s an act of desperation

    He has no inner life. He never dreams. He can’t name a favourite book or poem. He’s never wondered if he is extrovert or introvert. He doesn’t understand the concept of “joke” or “funny story”

    Ergo he has to fake it to make it. He’s decided that faking a love of flags is his new priority

    What Starmer LOVES is rules. Rules make him feel good. The world is ordered. The judge is always right
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,436
    Good morning from rural France. No sign of a collapse in the French economy nor sightings of Donnie. Though there are a number of very large citizens here who could pass for him.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,614

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The Guardian is parodying itself

    This is their MAIN headline

    “Prominent UK women tell rightwingers: stop linking immigration to sexual abuse”

    Shami Chakrabarti and Diane Abbott are among the purse-lipped matrons whacking every right wing erection with a cold metal spoon

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/02/women-stop-linking-asylum-seekers-sexual-abuse

    When did the Left lose its Cringe Function? Because it has gone very missing. And it’s a vital resource

    Well known that righties LOVE having their erections whacked with a cold metal spoon.
    lol. Good line. Might steal

    Because this really is a thing. Lefty Cringelordism


    Look at Starmer’s latest tweet

    “I’m proud of our flag as a patriotic symbol of our nation, like lots of people I’ve proudly got one up at home.

    Using our flag to divide devalues it.”

    Pure, unadulterated CRINGE
    Yes that was nauseating. The next journalist who asks about flags should be fired !
    Why the hell can’t Starmer and other vaguely left of centre pols give a sensible answer along the lines of ‘I love my country and while I’m happy to see people flying the flag(s), I prefer to show my patriotism in other ways’. The guff above just supports the notion that Labour is yet again running scared of flag shagger in chief Farage.
    Even that's fairly weak sauce. Some Labour backbenchers are doing better (Mark "This is my flag" Ferguson managed it), as are some bishops.

    It's not easy in a world of five second clips and gotchas. But if Starmer can't find the words, he needs someone to find the words for him.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,791
    edited 8:01AM
    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The Guardian is parodying itself

    This is their MAIN headline

    “Prominent UK women tell rightwingers: stop linking immigration to sexual abuse”

    Shami Chakrabarti and Diane Abbott are among the purse-lipped matrons whacking every right wing erection with a cold metal spoon

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/02/women-stop-linking-asylum-seekers-sexual-abuse

    When did the Left lose its Cringe Function? Because it has gone very missing. And it’s a vital resource

    Well known that righties LOVE having their erections whacked with a cold metal spoon.
    lol. Good line. Might steal

    Because this really is a thing. Lefty Cringelordism


    Look at Starmer’s latest tweet

    “I’m proud of our flag as a patriotic symbol of our nation, like lots of people I’ve proudly got one up at home.

    Using our flag to divide devalues it.”

    Pure, unadulterated CRINGE
    Yes that was nauseating. The next journalist who asks about flags should be fired !
    Why the hell can’t Starmer and other vaguely left of centre pols give a sensible answer along the lines of ‘I love my country and while I’m happy to see people flying the flag(s), I prefer to show my patriotism in other ways’. The guff above just supports the notion that Labour is yet again running scared of flag shagger in chief Farage.
    Indeed

    Not only that, the tweet is so badly written. It uses the word “proud” twice in one sentence. The punctuation is weird. I genuinely suspect his social media team dislike him and are doing this to undermine him. No one could write tweets this bad by mistake
    Leon, who has even failed to finish that post off with a full stop critiques other people's punctuation shortcomings.

    Well I'll go to the foot of our stairs!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,742
    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Starmer does provide entertainment.

    "Like many Britons, I too enjoy food."

    This is pure John Major in his prime, talking about, IIRC, peas.

    Starmer is getting there but is not the finished article. Major always gave the impression that he was just slightly one of us and on our side and had accidentally ended up in charge of the country, meeting important despots and declaring war.

    Starmer's current form of banality is an act. Major's wasn't, as his brother's great comic work 'Major Major' accidentally discloses.
    Starmer’s banality is not an act. Or if it is it’s an act of desperation

    He has no inner life. He never dreams. He can’t name a favourite book or poem. He’s never wondered if he is extrovert or introvert. He doesn’t understand the concept of “joke” or “funny story”

    Ergo he has to fake it to make it. He’s decided that faking a love of flags is his new priority

    What Starmer LOVES is rules. Rules make him feel good. The world is ordered. The judge is always right
    That's an utterly vauous point, when you consider that every politician loves rules, because making them is their job.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,191

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The Guardian is parodying itself

    This is their MAIN headline

    “Prominent UK women tell rightwingers: stop linking immigration to sexual abuse”

    Shami Chakrabarti and Diane Abbott are among the purse-lipped matrons whacking every right wing erection with a cold metal spoon

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/02/women-stop-linking-asylum-seekers-sexual-abuse

    When did the Left lose its Cringe Function? Because it has gone very missing. And it’s a vital resource

    Well known that righties LOVE having their erections whacked with a cold metal spoon.
    lol. Good line. Might steal

    Because this really is a thing. Lefty Cringelordism


    Look at Starmer’s latest tweet

    “I’m proud of our flag as a patriotic symbol of our nation, like lots of people I’ve proudly got one up at home.

    Using our flag to divide devalues it.”

    Pure, unadulterated CRINGE
    Yes that was nauseating. The next journalist who asks about flags should be fired !
    Why the hell can’t Starmer and other vaguely left of centre pols give a sensible answer along the lines of ‘I love my country and while I’m happy to see people flying the flag(s), I prefer to show my patriotism in other ways’. The guff above just supports the notion that Labour is yet again running scared of flag shagger in chief Farage.
    Starmer has regularly appeared at press conferences next to the Union Flag.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,164
    Eabhal said:

    malcolmg said:

    MattW said:

    Does anyone here know the warp and woof of railways in Scotland? Peak Fares have been abolished.

    Is this a good or a bad thing, and is it going to increase or decrease revenue? That will depend on whether Peak trains in Scotland are full or not.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czxp9zl0k90o

    The skeptical parrot on my shoulder says that this is the last gasp SNP administration laying an egg for the following administration to deal with, but that would be too cynical surely?

    Has to be a good thing, they are trying to get more people to use trains rather than cars , what can be bad about it. Has been talked about since they nationalised it, had a pilot where I think it did cost them money but have implemented it.
    Do you think London subsidising bus fares is laying an egg for next mayor
    I entirely agree with that sentiment but my view is always that investing in infrastructure (stations, lines, trains) will get more people out of their cars than cheaper tickets, particularly when the rail network is often at capacity (particularly Waverley).
    Evidence for demand ...

    There's clearly a conmsistent and heavy bias in the UK (Treasury?) funding analysis model for rail infrastructure investment which consistentlyh underpredicts actual results of investment in terms of increased passengers. E.g. Bathgate line, Tweedside, etc. all got much better than predicted (but, presumably partly for that reason, the Tweedside line was underinvested, in the sense of not being completely doubled ab initio).
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,507
    Australia are anxiously awaiting scans on captain Pat Cummins with fears growing he could miss part of the Ashes.

    Cummins underwent what had been described as a routine scan on his back last week, but it is understood to have revealed a problem that will need his workload to be carefully managed. He has not played since July when Australia beat West Indies and was last week rested for a T20 tour to New Zealand before the Ashes.

    Sources are privately admitting the problem is worse than expected and he is a doubt for the start of the Ashes series. Even if fit for the first Test, his workload will need managing throughout the five-match series that starts in Perth on November 21.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/09/01/pat-cummins-ashes-injury-doubt-in-hammer-blow-australia/
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,186
    Morning all :)

    A quiet morning so far - 86 years ago, it wasn’t so quiet. Had a place like this existed then, what would we have been saying or typing?

    In New Zealand, where there are no inter-city or long distance trains, if you want to get from Napier to Wellington (about 170 miles) you have three options. Drive, fly or take the bus. The drive is about four and a half hours, the flight about 90 minutes and the bus six and a half hours. The Premium Economy on the bus one way works out about £30 so competitive with the drive and much cheaper than the plane.

    I seem to remember a previous Labour Government being keen on long distance buses as a viable alternative to rail. The cheapest way from London to Penzance is on the bus (as low as £13 for a single nine hour trip). Weekend rail travel is not for the faint hearted in my experience and we clearly need more transport capacity given the rapid return of leisure travel to and indeed above pre-pandemic levels.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,653
    DavidL said:

    MattW said:

    Does anyone here know the warp and woof of railways in Scotland? Peak Fares have been abolished.

    Is this a good or a bad thing, and is it going to increase or decrease revenue? That will depend on whether Peak trains in Scotland are full or not.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czxp9zl0k90o

    The skeptical parrot on my shoulder says that this is the last gasp SNP administration laying an egg for the following administration to deal with, but that would be too cynical surely?

    The Scottish government reintroduced peak fares not that long ago only to find that rail use cratered. Now they are making a big song and dance about cancelling the increases they put in place in the hope that traffic picks up again.

    What has been noticeable in recent years is the increase in intercity buses such as Ember is substantially undercutting the cost of trains and has been growing quite rapidly. Scotrail provides a truly shocking service, internet on their trains is very much the exception as indeed is sockets that actually work. I think, rather than causing problems for the next administration, the cut in fares is an uncharacteristic nod to the economic reality.
    I took the train last week from Glasgow to Edinburgh, for what I thought was a quite reasonable off-peak day return ticket of £17 for standard and £22 for first class.

    You’re right that the wifi was crap though, and the first fast train we intended to get was cancelled, so we upgraded to First as the next one was crazy busy.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,614
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Starmer does provide entertainment.

    "Like many Britons, I too enjoy food."

    This is pure John Major in his prime, talking about, IIRC, peas.

    Starmer is getting there but is not the finished article. Major always gave the impression that he was just slightly one of us and on our side and had accidentally ended up in charge of the country, meeting important despots and declaring war.

    Starmer's current form of banality is an act. Major's wasn't, as his brother's great comic work 'Major Major' accidentally discloses.
    Starmer’s banality is not an act. Or if it is it’s an act of desperation

    He has no inner life. He never dreams. He can’t name a favourite book or poem. He’s never wondered if he is extrovert or introvert. He doesn’t understand the concept of “joke” or “funny story”

    Ergo he has to fake it to make it. He’s decided that faking a love of flags is his new priority

    What Starmer LOVES is rules. Rules make him feel good. The world is ordered. The judge is always right
    That's an utterly vauous point, when you consider that every politician loves rules, because making them is their job.
    We tried one who didn't like rules (and done people still fanboi him), and it was a blooming disaster.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,110
    Eabhal said:

    malcolmg said:

    MattW said:

    Does anyone here know the warp and woof of railways in Scotland? Peak Fares have been abolished.

    Is this a good or a bad thing, and is it going to increase or decrease revenue? That will depend on whether Peak trains in Scotland are full or not.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czxp9zl0k90o

    The skeptical parrot on my shoulder says that this is the last gasp SNP administration laying an egg for the following administration to deal with, but that would be too cynical surely?

    Has to be a good thing, they are trying to get more people to use trains rather than cars , what can be bad about it. Has been talked about since they nationalised it, had a pilot where I think it did cost them money but have implemented it.
    Do you think London subsidising bus fares is laying an egg for next mayor
    I entirely agree with that sentiment but my view is always that investing in infrastructure (stations, lines, trains) will get more people out of their cars than cheaper tickets, particularly when the rail network is often at capacity (particularly Waverley).
    Cheaper peak tickets might just encourage leisure users to travel earlier - for example there are no peak restrictions on senior railcards outside London and the South East, so with no fare differential, oldies might just go out earlier
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,876
    IanB2 said:

    Meanwhile in other semi-political news:

    A former Tory MP who quit the Commons two years ago has reportedly been found dead at the age of 59. David Warburton, the ex-MP for Somerset and Frome, was pronounced dead last week after an ambulance crew attended his Chelsea flat. His death is being treated as unexpected but not suspicious.

    Sad to hear that. RIP.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,164
    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    A quiet morning so far - 86 years ago, it wasn’t so quiet. Had a place like this existed then, what would we have been saying or typing?

    In New Zealand, where there are no inter-city or long distance trains, if you want to get from Napier to Wellington (about 170 miles) you have three options. Drive, fly or take the bus. The drive is about four and a half hours, the flight about 90 minutes and the bus six and a half hours. The Premium Economy on the bus one way works out about £30 so competitive with the drive and much cheaper than the plane.

    I seem to remember a previous Labour Government being keen on long distance buses as a viable alternative to rail. The cheapest way from London to Penzance is on the bus (as low as £13 for a single nine hour trip). Weekend rail travel is not for the faint hearted in my experience and we clearly need more transport capacity given the rapid return of leisure travel to and indeed above pre-pandemic levels.

    That - the replacement of commuting to some extent with leisure or other travel - has been a reason for the Scotrail move, but it seems to be very common in rUK as well.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,876

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Starmer does provide entertainment.

    "Like many Britons, I too enjoy food."

    This is pure John Major in his prime, talking about, IIRC, peas.

    Starmer is getting there but is not the finished article. Major always gave the impression that he was just slightly one of us and on our side and had accidentally ended up in charge of the country, meeting important despots and declaring war.

    Starmer's current form of banality is an act. Major's wasn't, as his brother's great comic work 'Major Major' accidentally discloses.
    Starmer’s banality is not an act. Or if it is it’s an act of desperation

    He has no inner life. He never dreams. He can’t name a favourite book or poem. He’s never wondered if he is extrovert or introvert. He doesn’t understand the concept of “joke” or “funny story”

    Ergo he has to fake it to make it. He’s decided that faking a love of flags is his new priority

    What Starmer LOVES is rules. Rules make him feel good. The world is ordered. The judge is always right
    That's an utterly vauous point, when you consider that every politician loves rules, because making them is their job.
    We tried one who didn't like rules (and done people still fanboi him), and it was a blooming disaster.
    To use D&D terms, there's a happy medium between the bard that wants to shag everything and commit crime for fun, and the paladin who will behead a starving man for stealing a loaf of bread.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,803
    @susie_dent

    An ‘ultracrepidarian’ (19th century) is one who loves to give their opinion, at length, on matters they know nothing about.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,825
    edited 8:05AM
    Sandpit said:

    boulay said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The Guardian is parodying itself

    This is their MAIN headline

    “Prominent UK women tell rightwingers: stop linking immigration to sexual abuse”

    Shami Chakrabarti and Diane Abbott are among the purse-lipped matrons whacking every right wing erection with a cold metal spoon

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/02/women-stop-linking-asylum-seekers-sexual-abuse

    When did the Left lose its Cringe Function? Because it has gone very missing. And it’s a vital resource

    Well known that righties LOVE having their erections whacked with a cold metal spoon.
    lol. Good line. Might steal

    Because this really is a thing. Lefty Cringelordism


    Look at Starmer’s latest tweet

    “I’m proud of our flag as a patriotic symbol of our nation, like lots of people I’ve proudly got one up at home.

    Using our flag to divide devalues it.”

    Pure, unadulterated CRINGE
    Yes that was nauseating. The next journalist who asks about flags should be fired !
    Why the hell can’t Starmer and other vaguely left of centre pols give a sensible answer along the lines of ‘I love my country and while I’m happy to see people flying the flag(s), I prefer to show my patriotism in other ways’. The guff above just supports the notion that Labour is yet again running scared of flag shagger in chief Farage.
    Not just left of centre pols, every politician should give short shrift to these moronic journalist questions.

    “Prime Minister, do you know the price of a pint of milk.”

    “No idea, did you before you checked this morning, I’m glad you used your one question for something so important to the country.”

    “prime minister, do you like the English flag?”

    “Of course I do, it’s a symbol of our country and I’m happy we are free enough for people to fly them if they want to, would you like now to ask about our plan to stave off a debt crisis?”

    I think the vast majority of the population would rather this than inane clearly BS answers and after the initial screeching from the media that they can’t control the narrative things would be much better.

    It was said that Dave Cameron used to get a weekly briefing sheet on the prices (and change in prices) of bread, milk, petrol, anything that had been in the news, and other household staples mentioned by hacks in recent months.

    It’s an idiot media problem as much as it’s an idiot politician problem, although Starmer has to tread more carefully than most as so many of his voters clearly do dislike the flying of British and English flags, and would happily see them replaced with Pride and Palestine flags.
    Outside Sport, overt patriotism has never been in the English tradition, at least in my experience.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,791
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Starmer does provide entertainment.

    "Like many Britons, I too enjoy food."

    This is pure John Major in his prime, talking about, IIRC, peas.

    Starmer is getting there but is not the finished article. Major always gave the impression that he was just slightly one of us and on our side and had accidentally ended up in charge of the country, meeting important despots and declaring war.

    Starmer's current form of banality is an act. Major's wasn't, as his brother's great comic work 'Major Major' accidentally discloses.
    Starmer’s banality is not an act. Or if it is it’s an act of desperation

    He has no inner life. He never dreams. He can’t name a favourite book or poem. He’s never wondered if he is extrovert or introvert. He doesn’t understand the concept of “joke” or “funny story”

    Ergo he has to fake it to make it. He’s decided that faking a love of flags is his new priority

    What Starmer LOVES is rules. Rules make him feel good. The world is ordered. The judge is always right
    That's an utterly vauous point, when you consider that every politician loves rules, because making them is their job.
    Ooh, I sense a citation-free Starmer opinion piece for the Spectator being squeezed out shortly.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,795

    Sandpit said:

    boulay said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The Guardian is parodying itself

    This is their MAIN headline

    “Prominent UK women tell rightwingers: stop linking immigration to sexual abuse”

    Shami Chakrabarti and Diane Abbott are among the purse-lipped matrons whacking every right wing erection with a cold metal spoon

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/02/women-stop-linking-asylum-seekers-sexual-abuse

    When did the Left lose its Cringe Function? Because it has gone very missing. And it’s a vital resource

    Well known that righties LOVE having their erections whacked with a cold metal spoon.
    lol. Good line. Might steal

    Because this really is a thing. Lefty Cringelordism


    Look at Starmer’s latest tweet

    “I’m proud of our flag as a patriotic symbol of our nation, like lots of people I’ve proudly got one up at home.

    Using our flag to divide devalues it.”

    Pure, unadulterated CRINGE
    Yes that was nauseating. The next journalist who asks about flags should be fired !
    Why the hell can’t Starmer and other vaguely left of centre pols give a sensible answer along the lines of ‘I love my country and while I’m happy to see people flying the flag(s), I prefer to show my patriotism in other ways’. The guff above just supports the notion that Labour is yet again running scared of flag shagger in chief Farage.
    Not just left of centre pols, every politician should give short shrift to these moronic journalist questions.

    “Prime Minister, do you know the price of a pint of milk.”

    “No idea, did you before you checked this morning, I’m glad you used your one question for something so important to the country.”

    “prime minister, do you like the English flag?”

    “Of course I do, it’s a symbol of our country and I’m happy we are free enough for people to fly them if they want to, would you like now to ask about our plan to stave off a debt crisis?”

    I think the vast majority of the population would rather this than inane clearly BS answers and after the initial screeching from the media that they can’t control the narrative things would be much better.

    It was said that Dave Cameron used to get a weekly briefing sheet on the prices (and change in prices) of bread, milk, petrol, anything that had been in the news, and other household staples mentioned by hacks in recent months.

    It’s an idiot media problem as much as it’s an idiot politician problem, although Starmer has to tread more carefully than most as so many of his voters clearly do dislike the flying of British and English flags, and would happily see them replaced with Pride and Palestine flags.
    Outside Sport, overt patriotism has never been in the English tradition, at least in my experience.
    Exactly. When did the English get so insecure?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,743
    MattW said:

    Does anyone here know the warp and woof of railways in Scotland? Peak Fares have been abolished.

    Is this a good or a bad thing, and is it going to increase or decrease revenue? That will depend on whether Peak trains in Scotland are full or not.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czxp9zl0k90o

    The skeptical parrot on my shoulder says that this is the last gasp SNP administration laying an egg for the following administration to deal with, but that would be too cynical surely?

    Railway economics around the world is quite simple: few railway networks as a whole make a profit (*). But they also fulfil a social and economic good. Therefore they need subsidies. The question is how much of the cost of a railway network and services is paid for by the passenger/freight user, and how much by the state.

    (*) Individual parts may, such as Intercity services. As a whole, no.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,517
    edited 8:08AM
    "Reform UK in power: How have their councils performed?"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdGbLzQ40Zg

    (ITV news 10 minutes, includes interview with the Deputy Leaders of Warwickshire CC, who is the youngest one.)
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,110

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The Guardian is parodying itself

    This is their MAIN headline

    “Prominent UK women tell rightwingers: stop linking immigration to sexual abuse”

    Shami Chakrabarti and Diane Abbott are among the purse-lipped matrons whacking every right wing erection with a cold metal spoon

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/02/women-stop-linking-asylum-seekers-sexual-abuse

    When did the Left lose its Cringe Function? Because it has gone very missing. And it’s a vital resource

    Well known that righties LOVE having their erections whacked with a cold metal spoon.
    lol. Good line. Might steal

    Because this really is a thing. Lefty Cringelordism


    Look at Starmer’s latest tweet

    “I’m proud of our flag as a patriotic symbol of our nation, like lots of people I’ve proudly got one up at home.

    Using our flag to divide devalues it.”

    Pure, unadulterated CRINGE
    Yes that was nauseating. The next journalist who asks about flags should be fired !
    Why the hell can’t Starmer and other vaguely left of centre pols give a sensible answer along the lines of ‘I love my country and while I’m happy to see people flying the flag(s), I prefer to show my patriotism in other ways’. The guff above just supports the notion that Labour is yet again running scared of flag shagger in chief Farage.
    Indeed

    Not only that, the tweet is so badly written. It uses the word “proud” twice in one sentence. The punctuation is weird. I genuinely suspect his social media team dislike him and are doing this to undermine him. No one could write tweets this bad by mistake
    Leon, who has even failed to finish that post off with a full stop critiques other people's punctuation shortcomings.

    Well I'll go to the foot of our stairs!
    I believe Leon does it as a matter of policy, as it serves no purpose at the end of a paragraph
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,948
    malcolmg said:

    MattW said:

    Does anyone here know the warp and woof of railways in Scotland? Peak Fares have been abolished.

    Is this a good or a bad thing, and is it going to increase or decrease revenue? That will depend on whether Peak trains in Scotland are full or not.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czxp9zl0k90o

    The skeptical parrot on my shoulder says that this is the last gasp SNP administration laying an egg for the following administration to deal with, but that would be too cynical surely?

    Has to be a good thing, they are trying to get more people to use trains rather than cars , what can be bad about it. Has been talked about since they nationalised it, had a pilot where I think it did cost them money but have implemented it.
    Do you think London subsidising bus fares is laying an egg for next mayor
    Still, great to see the BBC who were pelting the SNP for the end of the suspended peak fare pilot scheme (vox pops with pissed off commuters and everything) now trying to frame permanently abolished peak fares as a bad thing.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,033
    Sloth Fratelli's grandpa.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,110

    Sandpit said:

    boulay said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The Guardian is parodying itself

    This is their MAIN headline

    “Prominent UK women tell rightwingers: stop linking immigration to sexual abuse”

    Shami Chakrabarti and Diane Abbott are among the purse-lipped matrons whacking every right wing erection with a cold metal spoon

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/02/women-stop-linking-asylum-seekers-sexual-abuse

    When did the Left lose its Cringe Function? Because it has gone very missing. And it’s a vital resource

    Well known that righties LOVE having their erections whacked with a cold metal spoon.
    lol. Good line. Might steal

    Because this really is a thing. Lefty Cringelordism


    Look at Starmer’s latest tweet

    “I’m proud of our flag as a patriotic symbol of our nation, like lots of people I’ve proudly got one up at home.

    Using our flag to divide devalues it.”

    Pure, unadulterated CRINGE
    Yes that was nauseating. The next journalist who asks about flags should be fired !
    Why the hell can’t Starmer and other vaguely left of centre pols give a sensible answer along the lines of ‘I love my country and while I’m happy to see people flying the flag(s), I prefer to show my patriotism in other ways’. The guff above just supports the notion that Labour is yet again running scared of flag shagger in chief Farage.
    Not just left of centre pols, every politician should give short shrift to these moronic journalist questions.

    “Prime Minister, do you know the price of a pint of milk.”

    “No idea, did you before you checked this morning, I’m glad you used your one question for something so important to the country.”

    “prime minister, do you like the English flag?”

    “Of course I do, it’s a symbol of our country and I’m happy we are free enough for people to fly them if they want to, would you like now to ask about our plan to stave off a debt crisis?”

    I think the vast majority of the population would rather this than inane clearly BS answers and after the initial screeching from the media that they can’t control the narrative things would be much better.

    It was said that Dave Cameron used to get a weekly briefing sheet on the prices (and change in prices) of bread, milk, petrol, anything that had been in the news, and other household staples mentioned by hacks in recent months.

    It’s an idiot media problem as much as it’s an idiot politician problem, although Starmer has to tread more carefully than most as so many of his voters clearly do dislike the flying of British and English flags, and would happily see them replaced with Pride and Palestine flags.
    Outside Sport, overt patriotism has never been in the English tradition, at least in my experience.
    We also have a King as the symbol of our country, so don't need to get obsessive about the flag
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,948
    Oh, for fuck's sake. I thought this was a satire of Lab Operation Patriot, but no.

    Saul Staniforth
    @SaulStaniforth
    Asked if she's got a flag on display in her home, the Home Secretary says she has Union Jack bunting, St Georges flags, St Georges bunting, and Union Jack flags and tablecloths.

    https://x.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1962774325435494899
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,164

    Sandpit said:

    boulay said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The Guardian is parodying itself

    This is their MAIN headline

    “Prominent UK women tell rightwingers: stop linking immigration to sexual abuse”

    Shami Chakrabarti and Diane Abbott are among the purse-lipped matrons whacking every right wing erection with a cold metal spoon

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/02/women-stop-linking-asylum-seekers-sexual-abuse

    When did the Left lose its Cringe Function? Because it has gone very missing. And it’s a vital resource

    Well known that righties LOVE having their erections whacked with a cold metal spoon.
    lol. Good line. Might steal

    Because this really is a thing. Lefty Cringelordism


    Look at Starmer’s latest tweet

    “I’m proud of our flag as a patriotic symbol of our nation, like lots of people I’ve proudly got one up at home.

    Using our flag to divide devalues it.”

    Pure, unadulterated CRINGE
    Yes that was nauseating. The next journalist who asks about flags should be fired !
    Why the hell can’t Starmer and other vaguely left of centre pols give a sensible answer along the lines of ‘I love my country and while I’m happy to see people flying the flag(s), I prefer to show my patriotism in other ways’. The guff above just supports the notion that Labour is yet again running scared of flag shagger in chief Farage.
    Not just left of centre pols, every politician should give short shrift to these moronic journalist questions.

    “Prime Minister, do you know the price of a pint of milk.”

    “No idea, did you before you checked this morning, I’m glad you used your one question for something so important to the country.”

    “prime minister, do you like the English flag?”

    “Of course I do, it’s a symbol of our country and I’m happy we are free enough for people to fly them if they want to, would you like now to ask about our plan to stave off a debt crisis?”

    I think the vast majority of the population would rather this than inane clearly BS answers and after the initial screeching from the media that they can’t control the narrative things would be much better.

    It was said that Dave Cameron used to get a weekly briefing sheet on the prices (and change in prices) of bread, milk, petrol, anything that had been in the news, and other household staples mentioned by hacks in recent months.

    It’s an idiot media problem as much as it’s an idiot politician problem, although Starmer has to tread more carefully than most as so many of his voters clearly do dislike the flying of British and English flags, and would happily see them replaced with Pride and Palestine flags.
    Outside Sport, overt patriotism has never been in the English tradition, at least in my experience.
    Hmm. How about the Falklands return? Coronation? Or are those also special cases, like footie?

    We don't run the flag up the pole and sing the NA Usonian style every morning after splash, shave and brekkers, that's true.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,542
    edited 8:12AM
    Good morning from Athina. A "major announcement" from the White House and/or Trump at 6pm UK time, apparently.

    Wonder what that is.
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